At 4:20 they did make Sylvanas sympathetic in a way. Everyone acts like they know loss to the extent she does, but they didn’t have their soul absorbed and twisted by Frostmourne. Then come back and have your sanity again, knowing you could never go back. In this war, her tactics..... is to reproduce the pain she felt from Arthas and show the rest of the world on how she actually lost more than they have. Cuz even Aduin acted like her equal... knowing her pain. When in reality he hasn’t even scratched the surface of her loss.
@@dean7920 i mean..she is kinda incapable to have happy thoughts when everytime you look in the mirror all you see is a Ghoul also i dont think it helps that the alternative for your suffering with the Living is eternal suffering in the After Life Not excusing her Action i just justify why she thinks and Acts the way she acts
Well... I mean.. to someone like J Allen Brack that shamelessly chugs the Chinese jizzhose, makes non-apologies, and told fans "you think you want classic, but you really don't" this is probably morally grey from where he is standing.
The whole point was to obliterate the Alliance foothold on Kalimdor. Initially she wanted to invade and conquer Teldrassil, but upon realizing that if she didn't burn it, the Alliance would try to retake it, because there was still hope, she had to change her plan... She thought they would march against the Undercity first and move on to besiege Silvermoon. But she remembered how foolish she was, to think she could save her home against the Scourge, realizing the moment her soul was ripped out of her body by Frostmourne, that she couldn't save anything... She wanted to destroy that hope, that led Sylvanas down her path, so Kalimdor would fall to the Horde alone without any more bloodshed cauz' mages and stuff and so would Silithus. She could take the Undercity and Silvermoon back later... first priority falls to the Azerite... for the sake of the Horde...
I agree it was a bad but nescessary decision to make due to teldrassil being to difficult to conquer itself so she had to change the plan to fully eliminating the alliance prescense on Kalimdor itself by burning the tree
Well, someone has to... I feel there is too much hate going on right now towards Sylvanas... I mean come on... that is a totally rational decision from a chess players pov...
Sylvanas' motives should have been so clear and easy. "I can never protect you from dying while you are living. Eternal life in death." No Jailer, no Shadowlands, could have just made her a tragic character that showed the insidious nature of undeath in a different form than Arthas.
Man, I miss Garrosh. If this cinematic showed Garrosh instead of her it would be so much better just cause it would make much more sense with him. So sad they didn't do much with Voljin either. Imagine if Voljin was the good guy with the Horde and the Alliance were the bad ones for once. Oh well, at least Sylvanas loses her precious Undercity and all of Lordaeron to Anduin.
"If this cinematic showed Garrosh instead of her it would be so much better just cause it would make much more sense with him" How.. this is just Sylvanas being in character..
My take on Sylvanas is that she used to fight for her people, to protect them from their enemies, but when she was killed by The Lich King and she saw how she couldn't protect anyone she ended up falling into a depraved and hopeless state and thus becoming an embodiment of that. Now all she lives for is to bring that same pain and lose of hope that she once felt to the people she once used to protect, as a sort of twisted revenge for how they indirectly made her feel that intense pain. Which is a bit of a stretch but I can see how it manifested that way due to the vulnerable state she was in that allowed such a drastic change of morals to take effect.
sylvanas has always been bad,the problem are the other leaders of the horde you cant see saurfang standing still while sylvanas kills unarmed civilians and children, he put honor in front of everything. this is lazy and bad writing with all the money blizzard have they can't make a good story by lore point. sry for bad eng
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lol I love what they did with Sylvanas :D and now I love her even more thank you Blizz I hope you do the same with Jaina too
I don't mind her i hate night elf so im ok with the burning, but by a lore point the other horde leader will never be ok whit such an action , garrosh was well written by the lore point and the others in the horde dont agree with him, instead here they are ok whit everything Sylvanas does
No wonder Metzen left. He probably knew this was coming since they plan out the story and the expansions so far in advance, and he wanted nothing more to do with it.
"The whole point was to obliterate the Alliance foothold on Kalimdor. Initially she wanted to invade and conquer Teldrassil, but upon realizing that if she didn't burn it, the Alliance would try to retake it, because there was still hope, she had to change her plan... She thought they would march against the Undercity first and move on to besiege Silvermoon. But she remembered how foolish she was, to think she could save her home against the Scourge, realizing the moment her soul was ripped out of her body by Frostmourne, that she couldn't save anything... She wanted to destroy that hope, that led Sylvanas down her path, so Kalimdor would fall to the Horde alone without any more bloodshed cauz' mages and stuff and so would Silithus. She could take the Undercity and Silvermoon back later... first priority falls to the Azerite... for the sake of the Horde..." Famothas in other comment you don't even know the story of this expansion
It was Metzen that wrote Sylvanas kidnapping humans to experiment on them and make them her slaves since Vanilla, torturing citizens like Koltira into compliance, and unnecessarily using the Blight to obliterate the men, women, and children of the neutral nation of Gilneas, lmao.
Sylvanas has always commited this type of war crimes... She fooled Garithos and the dreadlords, she never stopped the the plague from being experimented, she almost took the val'kyr's queen as a hostage, she was to poison Garrosh in prison... She killed her own followers in the dead/living meeting. She was never gray. We all know Sylvanas is mad because Arthas raised her as an undead. All because she reminded him of Jaina... And not to mantion, she planned an ambush to kill her sisters in order to raise them. I like her as a baddy though, always have...
Gluttony he prob means how people are trying to defend her actions I mean I don’t agree personally bc if she didn’t burn teldrassil there would be no war at all.
Sylvanass is a villain and a crazy psycho bitch to put it in short she was never ment to be warchief in the first place with the warped mind she has Saurfang was suppose to be the leader the true horde one.I guess Blizzard likes Villains she will die like the Lich King did for sure all the story so far points to this.And i want to see how the Sylvanas fans who salivate over her body will defend her XD.
I find this scene very Ironic, from what I remember back in War 3 where she tried to make a haven for the lost and tortured undead souls to bring comfort or some happiness, now taking the very steps of her killer and the one who twisted her to become this. She is no benevolent ruler, she aint no great tactician or leader,there are no motives or goals to justify this stupidity. There is nothing that truly helps her become anything else then pathetic, not even evil and it goes to show how shit the writing is. Its not even someone as evil as Arthas, just a wanna be, a very bootleg wanna be.
Are you seriously that dense? Sylvanas is literally arthas 2.0. You know what he does in the short? he marches on silvermoon. An elf city. She does the same only it's a night elf city. Keep up.
she is lady arthas, I'm now fine with Blizzard wants to recycle thing but if somehow she finds redemption after this I'll call it B.S writing, she's unredeemable at this point.
SexCannonMusic yeah, I hate these guys from Disney... You know, the girl from Frozen and the another typical Disney’s prince: Anduin. They are just perfect! I would just like to see some real personality in this fantastic people, that’s the Horde... Even with the fucking LORE breakers, it stills too much better.
I was kidding, I agree with your comment... Another thing that I love is how many players would still following Sylvanas, even when they know this is the wrong side. I mean they are real people, so... What’s in their hearts?
@@tonynaranjo2182 old comment but let me clarify. My choices in a game does not reflect how i actually feel..that doesnt change the fact i am not a Sylvanas fangirl i am. I love to play with the bad guys cause they have the most fun. The tree itself served as capital but also main supply line for Azerite in Kalimdor (as the vindecar is no longer there)so i agree with the Need to burn the tree down..i also agree that Burning innocents has no excuse but i also support the burning for the tactical advantage it provided the horde
Asmongold is literally a god. It's actually crazy how awesome he is Edit:thats similar to the lines I use with girls except don't use the words "god" or "awesome"
The "explanation" is that the Alliance was using that island as port to send Azerite to Stormwind and Sylvannas wanted to stop that at any cost. Still didn't think that is a good explanation and to be honest, as an Horde druid player since BC, for the first time I'm thinking of going Alliance just because I can't relate with following Sylvannas in any ways. I really wanted to get anything to hold on to the Horde, but tomorrow I'll start playing again and atm I'm thinking of going Alliance to be honest.
To be fair, the stopping of Darnassus as an Alliance port was explained, but her reasons for the actual burning seem to be 'triggered by dying night elf' if we are to believe this video.
jelle de smet The point is, that the Alliance would try to retake Darnassus, as long as there is still hope... she remembers how foolish she tried to stop the Scourge marching upon Silvermoon, because she had the same hope to save someone, just to be slaughtered and forced to realize, that she couldn't save anything... The whole point of that war is to get the Alliance off Kalimdor... to get the Azerite for the Horde alone and force the Alliance into submission under the Horde Hegemony. Sylvanas is a General and doesn't play the battle but the war.
not bad writing from blizzard lol wtf do you expect would happen this was a strategic move from sylvanas that will have left a big impact, she'll always been evil and you even saw saurfang disagree with her actions, saving malfurion and multiple civilians, baine was no where to even be seen so who knows if he was even invited
Sylvanas ruined playing Horde for years. Now she has just crapped over the entire gameworld. She is the worst thing to ever happen to WoW. Unless we're counting putting J Allen Brack in charge which also has a lot to do with what happened with the character of Sylvanas. Her storyline is inked with his fapjuice.
She wanted to burn a potent symbol of Night Elven hope, while cooking a few of the insects inside it. They are Night Elves, who cares what you do to them? Most relatable warchief so far.
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Marksman Hunter goes in for a powerslide Raptor Strike against a Pre-Nerf Frost DK. Nice.
She clearly didn’t even see him she was fighting the adds
@@AlexisSnyders huge ass elf ears cant even hear a horse coming from a mile away?
Hunter pulling the boss early
That right there is what we call a wipe, and a 50 DKP minus
For those shocked or surprised by Sylvanas' actions.. where the fuck were you when she plagued all of Gilneas?!
Sylvanas: "Burn it."
Saurfang: "...What."
Nathanos: "My la-"
Sylvanas: "BURN IT."
"Did I stutter?"
More like
Sylvanas: "Burn it."
Saurfang:
Nathanos:
Everyone:
Sylvanas: "BURN IT."
NOT FUNNY YOU JUMP AND KISS YOUR IDIOCY GOODBYE K THX
I love the "Fire extinguisher" donation goal :P very fitting!
i saw it at the end of the video and cracked me up lmao
Even Nathanos hesitated to burn the tree
Other UA-camrs: *whimpers and cries*
Asmongold: "oh shit. oh shit. oh shit. wow. oh shit."
At 4:20 they did make Sylvanas sympathetic in a way.
Everyone acts like they know loss to the extent she does, but they didn’t have their soul absorbed and twisted by Frostmourne. Then come back and have your sanity again, knowing you could never go back.
In this war, her tactics..... is to reproduce the pain she felt from Arthas and show the rest of the world on how she actually lost more than they have. Cuz even Aduin acted like her equal... knowing her pain. When in reality he hasn’t even scratched the surface of her loss.
@@dean7920 i mean..she is kinda incapable to have happy thoughts when everytime you look in the mirror all you see is a Ghoul also i dont think it helps that the alternative for your suffering with the Living is eternal suffering in the After Life
Not excusing her Action i just justify why she thinks and Acts the way she acts
that "the gang kills hope" was so perfectly timed hahaha
morally grey lads
Well... I mean.. to someone like J Allen Brack that shamelessly chugs the Chinese jizzhose, makes non-apologies, and told fans "you think you want classic, but you really don't" this is probably morally grey from where he is standing.
Hey Asmongold was ready with that fire extinguisher dono.
The whole point was to obliterate the Alliance foothold on Kalimdor. Initially she wanted to invade and conquer Teldrassil, but upon realizing that if she didn't burn it, the Alliance would try to retake it, because there was still hope, she had to change her plan...
She thought they would march against the Undercity first and move on to besiege Silvermoon. But she remembered how foolish she was, to think she could save her home against the Scourge, realizing the moment her soul was ripped out of her body by Frostmourne, that she couldn't save anything...
She wanted to destroy that hope, that led Sylvanas down her path, so Kalimdor would fall to the Horde alone without any more bloodshed cauz' mages and stuff and so would Silithus. She could take the Undercity and Silvermoon back later... first priority falls to the Azerite... for the sake of the Horde...
good, someone that know their shit =D
I agree it was a bad but nescessary decision to make due to teldrassil being to difficult to conquer itself so she had to change the plan to fully eliminating the alliance prescense on Kalimdor itself by burning the tree
Are we really supposed to believe the Horde demolishers can fire their payload from the coast of Darkshore across the sea and hit Teldrassil? Srsly?
Well, someone has to... I feel there is too much hate going on right now towards Sylvanas... I mean come on... that is a totally rational decision from a chess players pov...
Nightshroud Yeah, believe it... this looked like a more developed type too... at least I don't remember this spinning wheel there^^
"Sylvanus wasn't an asshole" from some one who didn't bother to read her standard response or listen to the Undead liading screen.
Sylvanas' motives should have been so clear and easy. "I can never protect you from dying while you are living. Eternal life in death." No Jailer, no Shadowlands, could have just made her a tragic character that showed the insidious nature of undeath in a different form than Arthas.
she took revenge of the sunwell on the wrong people, and made them suffer something similar as herself
Morally Gray btw
Lich queen sylvanas and remake Northernd
Man, I miss Garrosh. If this cinematic showed Garrosh instead of her it would be so much better just cause it would make much more sense with him. So sad they didn't do much with Voljin either. Imagine if Voljin was the good guy with the Horde and the Alliance were the bad ones for once. Oh well, at least Sylvanas loses her precious Undercity and all of Lordaeron to Anduin.
"If this cinematic showed Garrosh instead of her it would be so much better just cause it would make much more sense with him"
How.. this is just Sylvanas being in character..
My take on Sylvanas is that she used to fight for her people, to protect them from their enemies, but when she was killed by The Lich King and she saw how she couldn't protect anyone she ended up falling into a depraved and hopeless state and thus becoming an embodiment of that. Now all she lives for is to bring that same pain and lose of hope that she once felt to the people she once used to protect, as a sort of twisted revenge for how they indirectly made her feel that intense pain. Which is a bit of a stretch but I can see how it manifested that way due to the vulnerable state she was in that allowed such a drastic change of morals to take effect.
Great take, it all makes sense
@@munlager Turns out after all it never made sense.
sylvanas has always been bad,the problem are the other leaders of the horde you cant see saurfang standing still while sylvanas kills unarmed civilians and children, he put honor in front of everything.
this is lazy and bad writing with all the money blizzard have they can't make a good story by lore point.
sry for bad eng
lol I love what they did with Sylvanas :D and now I love her even more thank you Blizz I hope you do the same with Jaina too
Saurfang is in turmoil over what he did to malfurion. He chose loyalty over honor
I don't mind her i hate night elf so im ok with the burning, but by a lore point the other horde leader will never be ok whit such an action , garrosh was well written by the lore point and the others in the horde dont agree with him, instead here they are ok whit everything Sylvanas does
We didn't kill civilians. There is a quest where we save them and only kill the armed. Lmao get your facts strait.
I don't have a name why you think he lets himself be taken prisoner by the alliance and refuses to go back with you as long as she leads the horde?
No wonder Metzen left. He probably knew this was coming since they plan out the story and the expansions so far in advance, and he wanted nothing more to do with it.
"The whole point was to obliterate the Alliance foothold on Kalimdor. Initially she wanted to invade and conquer Teldrassil, but upon realizing that if she didn't burn it, the Alliance would try to retake it, because there was still hope, she had to change her plan...
She thought they would march against the Undercity first and move on to besiege Silvermoon. But she remembered how foolish she was, to think she could save her home against the Scourge, realizing the moment her soul was ripped out of her body by Frostmourne, that she couldn't save anything...
She wanted to destroy that hope, that led Sylvanas down her path, so Kalimdor would fall to the Horde alone without any more bloodshed cauz' mages and stuff and so would Silithus. She could take the Undercity and Silvermoon back later... first priority falls to the Azerite... for the sake of the Horde..."
Famothas in other comment
you don't even know the story of this expansion
It was Metzen that wrote Sylvanas kidnapping humans to experiment on them and make them her slaves since Vanilla, torturing citizens like Koltira into compliance, and unnecessarily using the Blight to obliterate the men, women, and children of the neutral nation of Gilneas, lmao.
50 shades of morally grey
Looks like Ragnaros got what he wanted in the end
inb4 she wanted the night elf burnt not the tree. Feelsgoodman
LUL
Sylvanas has always commited this type of war crimes... She fooled Garithos and the dreadlords, she never stopped the the plague from being experimented, she almost took the val'kyr's queen as a hostage, she was to poison Garrosh in prison... She killed her own followers in the dead/living meeting. She was never gray. We all know Sylvanas is mad because Arthas raised her as an undead. All because she reminded him of Jaina... And not to mantion, she planned an ambush to kill her sisters in order to raise them. I like her as a baddy though, always have...
People in comments acting like they know the lore lol
aaron brooks some people actually care about the lore, and why wouldnt we know it, ive been playing for 11 years
Gluttony he prob means how people are trying to defend her actions I mean I don’t agree personally bc if she didn’t burn teldrassil there would be no war at all.
@@dams8648 also thst doesnt change the Value Teldrasil had to begin with
Not a morally gray move but a briliant move regardless
Starcraft 2 killed the bitch queen of the universe. (Kerrigan) I love this. Sylvanas is like Kerrigan from Broodwar.
Sylvanass is a villain and a crazy psycho bitch to put it in short she was never ment to be warchief in the first place with the warped mind she has Saurfang was suppose to be the leader the true horde one.I guess Blizzard likes Villains she will die like the Lich King did for sure all the story so far points to this.And i want to see how the Sylvanas fans who salivate over her body will defend her XD.
I find this scene very Ironic, from what I remember back in War 3 where she tried to make a haven for the lost and tortured undead souls to bring comfort or some happiness, now taking the very steps of her killer and the one who twisted her to become this. She is no benevolent ruler, she aint no great tactician or leader,there are no motives or goals to justify this stupidity. There is nothing that truly helps her become anything else then pathetic, not even evil and it goes to show how shit the writing is. Its not even someone as evil as Arthas, just a wanna be, a very bootleg wanna be.
sylvanasDidNothingWrong
ah i can still hear all the night elf roleplayers crying 💙
this is jailer war :D
lich queen
She was provoked basically.
Damn i hope Arthas somehow returns he was the best villain
Sylvanus may upstage him. She was so well written in this ...
An undead lord walking his/her army on a night elf city? He's already back.
Gunfairy87 it’s a flash back bruh
Are you seriously that dense? Sylvanas is literally arthas 2.0. You know what he does in the short? he marches on silvermoon. An elf city. She does the same only it's a night elf city. Keep up.
she is lady arthas, I'm now fine with Blizzard wants to recycle thing but if somehow she finds redemption after this I'll call it B.S writing, she's unredeemable at this point.
Nah. I would have burned that tree too
seeing arthas gives me hella cholls
I love that we have people to hate and people to love in world of warcraft still
SexCannonMusic yeah, I hate these guys from Disney... You know, the girl from Frozen and the another typical Disney’s prince: Anduin. They are just perfect! I would just like to see some real personality in this fantastic people, that’s the Horde... Even with the fucking LORE breakers, it stills too much better.
I was kidding, I agree with your comment... Another thing that I love is how many players would still following Sylvanas, even when they know this is the wrong side. I mean they are real people, so... What’s in their hearts?
@@tonynaranjo2182 old comment but let me clarify.
My choices in a game does not reflect how i actually feel..that doesnt change the fact i am not a Sylvanas fangirl i am. I love to play with the bad guys cause they have the most fun.
The tree itself served as capital but also main supply line for Azerite in Kalimdor (as the vindecar is no longer there)so i agree with the Need to burn the tree down..i also agree that Burning innocents has no excuse but i also support the burning for the tactical advantage it provided the horde
@@darkwhispersstories47 ppl who play bad guy in game have issue in rl and are mostily broken in it
Garrosh is a boi who did nothing wrong
lol i wish i would look that awake around the eyes :DDD
Asmongold is literally a god. It's actually crazy how awesome he is
Edit:thats similar to the lines I use with girls except don't use the words "god" or "awesome"
FUCK YEAH I LOVE IT
Horde are the bad guys
Right so I know the latest book covers this part. So to any book readers, why did she do what she did?
Book doesn't cover the Burning
The "explanation" is that the Alliance was using that island as port to send Azerite to Stormwind and Sylvannas wanted to stop that at any cost. Still didn't think that is a good explanation and to be honest, as an Horde druid player since BC, for the first time I'm thinking of going Alliance just because I can't relate with following Sylvannas in any ways. I really wanted to get anything to hold on to the Horde, but tomorrow I'll start playing again and atm I'm thinking of going Alliance to be honest.
Famothas just said in this comment section why, you should read it ^^
To be fair, the stopping of Darnassus as an Alliance port was explained, but her reasons for the actual burning seem to be 'triggered by dying night elf' if we are to believe this video.
jelle de smet The point is, that the Alliance would try to retake Darnassus, as long as there is still hope... she remembers how foolish she tried to stop the Scourge marching upon Silvermoon, because she had the same hope to save someone, just to be slaughtered and forced to realize, that she couldn't save anything...
The whole point of that war is to get the Alliance off Kalimdor... to get the Azerite for the Horde alone and force the Alliance into submission under the Horde Hegemony.
Sylvanas is a General and doesn't play the battle but the war.
not bad writing from blizzard lol wtf do you expect would happen this was a strategic move from sylvanas that will have left a big impact, she'll always been evil and you even saw saurfang disagree with her actions, saving malfurion and multiple civilians, baine was no where to even be seen so who knows if he was even invited
For the Dark Lady!
She doesn't need your sympathy, real Horde will understand.
extra edgy today i see
nah man, real horde support saurfang 😎
Guess she actually won the war against life.
Sylvanas ruined playing Horde for years. Now she has just crapped over the entire gameworld. She is the worst thing to ever happen to WoW. Unless we're counting putting J Allen Brack in charge which also has a lot to do with what happened with the character of Sylvanas. Her storyline is inked with his fapjuice.
She's the best character even created in WOW
FOR THE ALLIANCE!
There has to be more to this. This was just too cut and dry. There's something they are not telling / showing us now/yet..
Zombie Juice she got butt hurt
sloppy writing by Blizzard
i agree with you, blizzard would have to pull off something unimaginable to make this better
i call sloppy people that don't get it, that just know half of the stuff and call blizzard sloppy, aaaa you are sloppy btw
Mograine Lefay this happened in the book lmao
Mograine Lefay
What?! You didn't get your hero Sylvanas you wanted and defend?! She is a villain and I love her for that! :D
She wanted to burn a potent symbol of Night Elven hope, while cooking a few of the insects inside it. They are Night Elves, who cares what you do to them? Most relatable warchief so far.
wait wait wait wait , this just occurred to me , why are the elves wearing eyeliner XD?
everyone gotta look good bruh.
Why not?
For the horde
Horde is nothink :)
"burn it" the worst line ver said in a video game story ever
fuck you're stupid