@@bama539 Well, maybe if he finished his course, maybe then he would be qualified to fix your shit. Taking a class only counts if you graduate, bud. If he only had two years in the program, that means he didn't pass.
I’m a retired electrician and was just talking with a friend of mine that is a master plumber and a builder about how it used to mean something to say “I’m a professional “. Nowadays all it means is that you do it for a living.
I hear what you are saying. But professional always meant that this is what you do as a profession... to earn your living. Being a professional was never meant to mean you know what you are doing or are an expert in the matter... just that you earn a living from it. One assumes a professional would have more experience but it's not always the case. The opposite would be an amateur... meaning you do not do the task to earn a living but you could have far more experience with that hobby than a so-called professional. Amateur does not mean you don't know what you're doing or that the job will be of poor quality. Many of us are amateur cooks and many could beat "professional" chefs. Thumbs up for bringing this important clarification when dealing with so called "professional".
I think it's rare to find a truly honest, competent professional. Just seems most pros are careless and as a DIY amateur I can typically do a much better job. Therefore I do everything I can myself. Repairs done right the first time and saved tens of thousands over the years.
Even on this install, being an electrician, you had to notice the Romex isn’t supported going to his switch. So while a better install, still not correct.
I've had a plugged flue before so I forced the furnace on by bypassing the switch, the amount of exhaust that backed up filled the garage and house within seconds, I had to grab the dog and air out the house for an hour or so, then I found the plugged exhaust, You sir may have saved a whole family from death. instead of just fixing the hole and getting paid you stepped up being the professional you are, thanks for bringing pride in your work to the whole profession.
I wonder if home warranties are a big part of it? I'm yet to be impressed by any of the "hacks" that have been sent to our rental to fix things...saying it's fine to leave fully exposed electrical connections ("as long as nobody touches it that's fine" sure right). I'm not an electrician and unsure if its technically a code violation or not...but I do know it's very sloppy looking and seems like un-neccsary risk. Similar stuff with plumbers sent by the home warranty...water valve sprays all over when you try to operate it? That's fine, it's not leaking in the normal position don't worry about it and they leave, and the home warranty says if its not currently leaking its no problem. I've never heard of a water valve in a house that is "normal" to spray water when you try to shut it off, that's a funny kind of "normal" to me.
Yep it’s hard people value there work differently. I don’t mind paying for labor but pricing is all over the place. So the industry has a lot of bad actors
As a very successful HVAC sales professional I would like to say they absolutely do not ALWAYS choose the low bidder. It is up to you to prove to them why they should choose you, and why you do things the right way. Customers are looking for value. If you help them understand why doing things the right way costs more, they will pay more.
You're a good person to not only do it right the first time, but especially since you offered to help them get justice, i.e. financial compensation since these systems cost a fortune and it is heartbreaking to see someone pay that much money and not only develop a leak so quickly but also have quite a dangerous installation. So what do you think caused the enormous hole in the suction line where the major leak was?
Man, when you found out the chimney had been removed that was terrifying. Thank God for a draft switch and rollout, but as a commercial tech that moved to the south from up north that shit scares me for what I might find.
I was in the attic to run Ethernet, when I first opened the access I felt air coming out, and it wasn’t to hot on a 90 degree day. Only to find out the supply duct came halfway off. Who knows how long it’s been like that
Thanks for looking out for your customers. You probably saved a life or at least some sickness. Sad that there are installers out there with no care or concern for people or their craft. Thanks for sharing
I greatly appreciate your post on safety. But I watched the after video and point out something that should be addressed. First should have a electrical cover on switch and metal covering on the romex after it left the floor joist. The drain on condensing furnace should go into a open trap. They should not be tied in with ac drain with out a opening to atmosphere. Modern furnace have a large demand for air and tight fin rations. They encourage you to use 4 in pleated air filters. I didn't see accommodation in the return air. But the real big one is storing the gas lawn mower in the area of the furnace. The room is not fire rated, could suck gas fume into the house and your burner sucks air from the crawl for combustion. Where any gas fumes could be ignited.
I’m guessing the 4 dislikes are from uncertified “technicians” that do that type of work everyday and think it is ok. I also see sloppy work on a somewhat regular basis and wonder how many installers actually at the least flip through the installation instructions. I like to read the manuals of the equipment we offer to become more familiar. Skim through the book the night before the install helps a lot. Caring helps a lot to 🤦♂️. Nice work on the fix!!
I serviced residential systems for two years. I saw some of the most unbelievable shortcuts and hacks imaginable. I touched an outdoor unit one day and got a 240 volt surprise. The entire casing was electrified. I tracked down the installer, told him he nearly killed me, and he laughed. I shouldn't have taken it personally, but I did. He accidentally hit my fist with his nose.
I just had a system installed in our house and with the people I was dealing with to fix my old one time after time, I was blown away with the stellar differences between a shade tree service tech to a professional. It totally changed my mind with the profession and glad I dropped the money for the new one, professionally installed.
I just had the exact same issue last week. A new roof was installed and chimney stopped below the roof. Furnace and water heater gasses were venting into a knee wall attic space for over a year before the new owners of the house noticed water saturation on the drywall. Furnace was only 6 years old so we installed a chimney liner and finished it properly. It’s just criminal!
Love this format! It's always nice to see the remediation of large issues, very satisfying. Kind of why I love this work. I am curious how they blew that huge hole in the suction line though.
If they had gotten an inspection, when they bought the house, maybe it could have saved them some money. That is an install that you and your crew can be proud of good job!
Brandon Abernathy I’m sure there are good inspectors but a lot of them suck. They are yes men working for the realtor. A good inspector needs to have a ton of knowledge and a good eye.
@@clintmullins4406 The HVAC guy I hired to do a pre purchase inspection on a house we were buying told me he had never seen a finer installation and it was all first rate equipment. We ran into each other about a year later at a party. He was pretty tipsy and let it out that he had done the original install.
Here in Ca. Home Inspector is just a "Real Estate" label. Inspector could just be someone with no construction experience what so ever. I am a GC, and work on all systems, but for a new property inspection or turn over I always have a Sparky check the electrical, HVAC Pro the heating and air, Roofer the Roof, Bug guy the bugs, and Plumber camera the sewer. That way their are no surprises.
Good job with the new equipment! One thing I could never understand about goodman is why they stub out the suction line of the coil in an odd size. Here is what probably happened. That guy put a swage in there to open it up, in order to fit the 3/4 line in. Then, the swage went out the other side there where you had the leak...That is by no means any excuse for the original installer.
Per the IMC, all outside refrigerant access ports are to have locking caps. Dryer termination caps are not to have any screens or restrictions. Per the IFGC and manufacturers installation manual, the gas supply piping is suppose to be hard piped out and flexible gas line connected at that point. Flexible gas hoses are not to pass through the cabinet walls of appliances.
Just a question is this located where it drops to freezing temps. 90 percent furnace in untreated air space is not good for the condensation from the furnace. Freeze up or crack plastics in the inducer motor. Dr Other than that looks good
My thoughts exactly. The unit is going to run itself to a quick death without gas. I have seen many cheap units with only a high pressure switch. The compressor overloads serve as the low cut out, poor design.
I do not know where you are located but where I live the electrical disconnect is not allowed to be installed on the equipment. I know installers are instructed to put a P-trap on all condensate drain lines but they are not needed if the evaporator drain pan is on the pressure side of the fan.
when I saw that solder job at the ID coil figured that it was probably going to be the service port inside there melted all to pieces and leaking. Good call on that chimney! Old Ted taken care of business. They are much better off now and won't die prematurely. ☠️☠️☠️
@@larrygreenwich9712 I was trying to figure out how they put the hole in that line. All this crap work but he does de burr his tubing. Good thing he did and you got involved probably saved that families life
I couldn’t count the things I saw wrong on that video. Not to mention they had line and low voltage going in the same knock out. Yes they need to sue for not only one of the worst change outs but endangering there lives not being vented. Also you need to let your customer know not to store gas cans under the house. An inspector would tear that person up who installed this. Great video
I'm working towards my HVAC license and 608. Thanks for the videos, I always learn something. I have to say, even as a "newbie" to HVAC I know better than use the chimney for flue or combustion, level the furnace and A-coil, and I can properly solder the line set without melting anything. The previous installer...well, that's why you always use a licensed contractor that you research before committing. Saving a few $s at first can cost you in the long run. Thanks for sharing, and keep the videos coming.
Great install. I’m a American standard dealer and I love those stubby new furnaces that trane and American standard came out with. As always love the videos
I am not a certified A/C tech but do all my own work on my properties. It is shocking some of the rigs I see. My homemade air conditioner I built in 1998 still works fine. As an amateur I find my work to be superior to most licensed A/C contractors I have encountered. I get offended when some supply houses refuse to sell to me because I don't have a permission slip from the government but if I was not able to do it myself there is no way I could have a good system without being mired in unsustainable debt. Also I prefer steel duct which no one here uses on residential so I just fabricate it myself and even put the thermostat wire in conduit to avoid rats., The refrigerant lines are through the slab and in underground conduit with the valves covered because we have had a huge problem with huffers draining the system to try and get high.
I do installs and i nearly flipped my lid when i saw that unit under the house.... just absolutely terrible! No sense in quality anywhere. What a shame.
oh my gosh! this is crazy! The electrical just hanging there reminds me of what I'm finding in the walls of my house as I upgrade from paneling to drywall... yikes! Glad you were able to help. I love a beautiful install. They're a work of art if done properly. :)
I noticed you're using one of those Chinese 410A bottles you can get on eBay. How does that work out for you? The price is great, but I'm hesitant to try it for fear of what might (or might not) be in the tank.
Do you have to pull a permit and get an inspection for a furnace job down south? I know up here in the great white north you certainly do, an inspector, obviously, wouldn’t have let that hack job slide. Otherwise, nice looking job.
You are required to have a permit here in the south. Sadly a lot of folks just don't get one, and do the job anyways, resulting in this type of work...
Here in Texas that would be considered a shit job of an install the coil doesn't match up with the furnace so it's uneven plus the equipment is Goodman and there's nothing good of a Goodman I agree total hack job terrible my guys would be fired on the spot
If they put some roll roofing on the floor it would protect the plastic from being torn with the mower and other items being stored there Looks like you still need a switch cover on the electrical box. But 200% better than before The other guys saw the chimney but never checked where it went. Assumed it went thru the roof
Wow, I can't believe that original installation. I live up in Minnesota, and we really don't have crawl space installations like that. I like having my HVAC in a nice clean basement, on a concrete floor.
Total Hack Job with the Electric & Plumbing Nothing supported, no connectors, open conductors, no equipment ground, The improper flue piping could have been deadly.
I see unsafe every day in Ohio and WV. This is about a 9/10 where 10 is structure burnt down. The CO danger is phenomenal and total replacement the best option. Does your state pursue these people if turned in?
Great video showing a bad install. Can’t believe that the exhaust was set into a nonfunctional chimney. Great job with your installation. Did you cap off the old exhaust vent in the chimney so that animals can’t get inside?
Wonderful catch! They are very lucky they had that leak else they may not have known the danger until next fall, and maybe too late then. Full replacement was the solution I had in mind from the time you showed that cobbed up electric box - glad they were able to pull that off.
It almost looked line the video was carefully shot and edited to avoid showing a full frontal view of that missing faceplate. You couldn't even install one without trimming of the bottom of the faceplate since the box is flush with the furnace.
Why should the filter line drier be inside with the evap coil, I’ve seen plenty of units come from factory with the filter line drier installed inside the condenser.?
Final electrical inspection might not have been done yet. I'm in the middle of a project and my inspector wants to see the faceplates I'm going to use, but not installed yet.
The quality of nearly all the installations both AC. And electrical are absolutely diabolical, there is no way we would get away with that in the uk. Shocking.
On you install, the furnace must be a 90% + eff, because of the pvc flue. Are you relying on the crawl space vents for combustible air? Hope they don't close them in the winter like most people do or encapsulate the crawl space.
As a remodel contractor here in SC, I get a few calls a year from 'home flippers'. I politely decline their work right off because of these situations. I lay this botch directly at the feet of the flippers and less so on the 'installer'. I say this because they're own greed came back to bite them. They took the cheapest labor and equipment to line their pockets off this flip. They knew this installer was cheap and that's all they cared about. I doubt they cared about how his work looked or even if it performed correctly. Admittedly I only watched this once and really hope I missed something here. One rule to live by: NEVER WORK FOR FLIPPERS!!
The main problem with HVAC, Solar and many similar system installation is that extreme markup cost by HVAC, Solar, Auto work..etc companies. As an example, a 3 ton unit with the coil will cost $1500-1800, but an HVAC company would easily charge $5000+. This is not how it used to be in good old days. People are getting poorer and poorer and information are readily available with internet, so its not uncommon that people take a chance and try DIY or try to go cheap because consumers simply can't afford (most of them). Not trying to justify a poor work but telling what's going on. Of course this is a horrible installation.
We install strictly Trane where I work. Big fan of the new S8X and S9X furnaces. Only thing I hate about them is the blower compartment has that plate over it and can sometimes be a pain to take off when you need to swap out blower motors.
company i work for always uses single wall 30 gauge pipe for 80% furnaces and never have any problems out of them. Definite hack job though! Also i would have shut the A/C unit off at disconnect as soon as i heard that compressor and felt that warm suction line. Your work looks solid.
I did residential work in a town about 30 minutes from you. This area is full of hack jobs lol. Currently in west Texas working as a centrifugal and air cooled chiller technician. Good work. I would love to show y’all some of the stuff I’ve been working on
That install was a night mare, death trap waiting to happen. Good catch on the chimney. Questions: The romex wire should be in M/C flex where I live in Denver. Do you usually one a one pipe system for the vent. Some manufacturers want the combustion air and vent in the same atmospheric.
The moment you mentioned that this house had been 'flipped' I knew there was going to be serious issues. I'm sure there are flippers who do repairs and upgrades properly, but.... I'm equally sure those folks are the minority.
I'm shocked that the insulation didnt completely burst into flames and also totally shocked that nobody died of carbon monoxide poisoning or got sick from the venting not being attached. That hole in the evaporator was giant, it looks like they somehow managed to get a screw into it. The new install is quite a bit better than the old. Good work
Wow! That's crazy.. nice video .. I'm an 11 year H3 licensed contractor (36 years experience, mostly new construction / change outs).. not sure if anyone commented on it, but I noticed the liquid line was kinked off at the coil where the hack installed the piston...
Novice HVAC tech here. I have 2 months of installs prior to 10 months of service. I'm trying to think, even if you know nothing about how to install a furnace except watching a few timelapses of HVAC builds, how you could *possibly* mess something up *that* bad in the evaporator coil... what, did he not feel like melting the seals was enough, that he had to point his braze torch into the pipe to blow a hole through it too?
Great video, what a hack! Here in Kentucky we are weary of putting 90% furnaces In crawlspaces due to condensate freezing. Maybe you are farther south!
as a Goodman service tech and installer, that system is poorly-installed, why not put some conduit to extend the wire? where is the switch cover? also did they, not vacuum the unit down before opening it up? good news is tho the coil should be warrantied
Very good on up grading to high efficiency furnace job looks much better only one thing I would had done different the drain coming out of indoor coil I would had installed a TEE before the trap with a cap so drain can be cleaned I see to many times on new installs no one wants to install drain clean outs. It's not much more work nor more money to do so when you sell the customer a twice a year service the tech can completely flush out that trap with hot water and bleach to help prevent mold growing in AC trap and also able to drop one if those chlorine tablets that customer will never have a issue with backed up drain. I know some people just locate the end of drain line and use a shop vac that's my last resort flushing cleans drain line and also tells you 100 percent you got it unplugged that just how I do it everyone is different but I never had a block trap or drain line by doing it that way
I would have liked to seen a switchbox cover on that power switch though....also can't help think drawing moist crawlspace combustion air in isn't going to help the longevity of those burners. Least it's safe now though
I rent the basement in this house and the landlord lives upstairs and he just had a guy install a Goodman furnace with a air conditioner unit that sits outside, after the guy left I used almost a full roll of aluminum tape on the duct work, to cover all the gaps he left and yesterday I had to fill in the two holes that he used for the air conditioner lines and the furnace exhaust vent, that goes through the wall outside but i'm looking at the air intake for the fresh air for the furnace and he didn't run a pipe outside for that, there is just the hole in the furnace next to the exhaust pipe, so i'm looking to see if there is a video that shows me if it is supposed to draw fresh air from the outside or if it's ok to draw the air from the furnace room??
Why was there no face plate on the on off junction box going to the furnace and how come you didn't install the intake pipe that goes to the burners of the furnace to the exterior of the house. what happens if there is a potential gas leak in that space and the ignitor comes on in the heat mode and ignites the gas?
Owners were going to drop off old system to installer? Does that mean never paid installer? And if old system paid for why not patch the hole, gas it, run a chimney out roof, fix a few odds and ends. A whole bunch cheaper than trashing a almost new system and installing a new. Just wondering
That's a prime example of what gives Goodman a bad name in the industry. Lowest bidder gets the job and then it ends up costing homeowner more money in the end. Good work isn't good and good work isn't cheap.
I installed my own A/C 40 years ago. A company in town was offering DIY kits. The only thing I couldn't do was fabricate the plenum box to hold the A coil. I've had only two problems in 40 years. I accidentally drove a nail into the vapor line in the garage wall. (It was behind a sheet of pegboard) I had to have an HVAC guy come out to fix the leak and refill the system. More recently the condenser fan motor had to be replaced.
It looks like they used a Mapp torch to braze those lines. I am baffled as to how that elbow in the coil got blown out like that!? Is it possible that the factory had a solder spot there and the over heating from the Mapp torch made it melt away?
The person that installed that needs to be charged with a crime. They came too close to hurting or killing someone in that house
so true scary for sure
I wonder how may more jobs like this have been done before and after this one. They need to be stopped.
My company at waller tx makes these units condenser unit to be exact at daikin,good video
It was just a matter of time before someone died in a house fire, or of Carbon Monoxide poisoning.
That’s one of those jobs that starts with “I’ve got a buddy that’s super cheap “
More of a homeowner did it
You could do better learning on UA-cam
I have a friend who knows a friend that took two years of HVAC.
@@bama539 Well, maybe if he finished his course, maybe then he would be qualified to fix your shit. Taking a class only counts if you graduate, bud. If he only had two years in the program, that means he didn't pass.
@@zack9912000 He said it was remodel flip....
I’m a retired electrician and was just talking with a friend of mine that is a master plumber and a builder about how it used to mean something to say “I’m a professional “. Nowadays all it means is that you do it for a living.
I hear what you are saying. But professional always meant that this is what you do as a profession... to earn your living. Being a professional was never meant to mean you know what you are doing or are an expert in the matter... just that you earn a living from it. One assumes a professional would have more experience but it's not always the case. The opposite would be an amateur... meaning you do not do the task to earn a living but you could have far more experience with that hobby than a so-called professional. Amateur does not mean you don't know what you're doing or that the job will be of poor quality. Many of us are amateur cooks and many could beat "professional" chefs. Thumbs up for bringing this important clarification when dealing with so called "professional".
I think it's rare to find a truly honest, competent professional. Just seems most pros are careless and as a DIY amateur I can typically do a much better job. Therefore I do everything I can myself. Repairs done right the first time and saved tens of thousands over the years.
Even on this install, being an electrician, you had to notice the Romex isn’t supported going to his switch. So while a better install, still not correct.
I've had a plugged flue before so I forced the furnace on by bypassing the switch, the amount of exhaust that backed up filled the garage and house within seconds, I had to grab the dog and air out the house for an hour or so, then I found the plugged exhaust, You sir may have saved a whole family from death. instead of just fixing the hole and getting paid you stepped up being the professional you are, thanks for bringing pride in your work to the whole profession.
We bid against these type of "installers" every day. Customers ALWAYS choose the low bidder and ignore these results . Very sad ...
The guy who does good work and prices in the middle is making a mint. HVAC dealers get greedy and mark up a lot for an unlicensed trade.
I wonder if home warranties are a big part of it? I'm yet to be impressed by any of the "hacks" that have been sent to our rental to fix things...saying it's fine to leave fully exposed electrical connections ("as long as nobody touches it that's fine" sure right). I'm not an electrician and unsure if its technically a code violation or not...but I do know it's very sloppy looking and seems like un-neccsary risk.
Similar stuff with plumbers sent by the home warranty...water valve sprays all over when you try to operate it? That's fine, it's not leaking in the normal position don't worry about it and they leave, and the home warranty says if its not currently leaking its no problem. I've never heard of a water valve in a house that is "normal" to spray water when you try to shut it off, that's a funny kind of "normal" to me.
Yep it’s hard people value there work differently. I don’t mind paying for labor but pricing is all over the place. So the industry has a lot of bad actors
As a very successful HVAC sales professional I would like to say they absolutely do not ALWAYS choose the low bidder. It is up to you to prove to them why they should choose you, and why you do things the right way. Customers are looking for value. If you help them understand why doing things the right way costs more, they will pay more.
@Egg Shaped Israeli Operative why wouldn't you take the opportunity to show the customer how a professional works?
Oh man!
I think on my worst day; drunk, wife left me, dog left me, and in a wheelchair, I could have done a better job than that.........
Whoever put that Goodman in should probably spend some jail time.
I think he’s watching too. The video has 1 dislike. 😂
Probably already did.
This is a damn stellar install compared to some I have seen.
I agree! I would be ashamed of doing work like that. Typical flip it house..
Yeah, that is just unbelievable. And that leak wtf! That hole looks like tiny person shot a 22 through it from the inside of the line! Lol
"At a flip house" - Oh, this should be good.
You're a good person to not only do it right the first time, but especially since you offered to help them get justice, i.e. financial compensation since these systems cost a fortune and it is heartbreaking to see someone pay that much money and not only develop a leak so quickly but also have quite a dangerous installation. So what do you think caused the enormous hole in the suction line where the major leak was?
Man, when you found out the chimney had been removed that was terrifying. Thank God for a draft switch and rollout, but as a commercial tech that moved to the south from up north that shit scares me for what I might find.
last installer should be ashamed, and out of business. You might have saved their lives
Last installer who did pathetic job doesn't have enough morals nor common sense to be ashamed.
@@Schrimpieman Exactly, you don't install something like that unless you are totally shameless.
I was in the attic to run Ethernet, when I first opened the access I felt air coming out, and it wasn’t to hot on a 90 degree day. Only to find out the supply duct came halfway off. Who knows how long it’s been like that
Thanks for looking out for your customers. You probably saved a life or at least some sickness. Sad that there are installers out there with no care or concern for people or their craft. Thanks for sharing
When you discovered the lack of chimney I was aghast... then pissed off.
scary
I have been doing HVAC only for 6 months and even I knew that was horrible
@@rinconusmc You don't need even need to be doing HVAC to know how horrible that is.
If that person installed fire places, he would put a concrete slab in the middle of the room and put a campfire ring around it
I greatly appreciate your post on safety. But I watched the after video and point out something that should be addressed. First should have a electrical cover on switch and metal covering on the romex after it left the floor joist. The drain on condensing furnace should go into a open trap. They should not be tied in with ac drain with out a opening to atmosphere. Modern furnace have a large demand for air and tight fin rations. They encourage you to use 4 in pleated air filters. I didn't see accommodation in the return air. But the real big one is storing the gas lawn mower in the area of the furnace. The room is not fire rated, could suck gas fume into the house and your burner sucks air from the crawl for combustion. Where any gas fumes could be ignited.
I’m guessing the 4 dislikes are from uncertified “technicians” that do that type of work everyday and think it is ok. I also see sloppy work on a somewhat regular basis and wonder how many installers actually at the least flip through the installation instructions. I like to read the manuals of the equipment we offer to become more familiar. Skim through the book the night before the install helps a lot. Caring helps a lot to 🤦♂️. Nice work on the fix!!
The dislikes are probably from the 'A' holes that installed that mess
I think the caring part plays a big role in this job.
Stephen A/CMAN324 yea but at the same time who ever owns the property might be a cheap ass. You get what you pay for
I can't understand how anyone could consider a huge hole in a refrigerant line OK.
@@user2C47 I'm just trying to figure out how they put a screw hole in the BACK SIDE of that pipe..!!!
I serviced residential systems for two years. I saw some of the most unbelievable shortcuts and hacks imaginable. I touched an outdoor unit one day and got a 240 volt surprise. The entire casing was electrified. I tracked down the installer, told him he nearly killed me, and he laughed. I shouldn't have taken it personally, but I did. He accidentally hit my fist with his nose.
I just had a system installed in our house and with the people I was dealing with to fix my old one time after time, I was blown away with the stellar differences between a shade tree service tech to a professional. It totally changed my mind with the profession and glad I dropped the money for the new one, professionally installed.
I just had the exact same issue last week. A new roof was installed and chimney stopped below the roof. Furnace and water heater gasses were venting into a knee wall attic space for over a year before the new owners of the house noticed water saturation on the drywall. Furnace was only 6 years old so we installed a chimney liner and finished it properly. It’s just criminal!
Love this format! It's always nice to see the remediation of large issues, very satisfying. Kind of why I love this work. I am curious how they blew that huge hole in the suction line though.
If they had gotten an inspection, when they bought the house, maybe it could have saved them some money.
That is an install that you and your crew can be proud of good job!
Brandon Abernathy I’m sure there are good inspectors but a lot of them suck. They are yes men working for the realtor. A good inspector needs to have a ton of knowledge and a good eye.
@@clintmullins4406 The HVAC guy I hired to do a pre purchase inspection on a house we were buying told me he had never seen a finer installation and it was all first rate equipment. We ran into each other about a year later at a party. He was pretty tipsy and let it out that he had done the original install.
From my experience, home inspections rarely actually catch any issues.
Here in Ca. Home Inspector is just a "Real Estate" label. Inspector could just be someone with no construction experience what so ever. I am a GC, and work on all systems, but for a new property inspection or turn over I always have a Sparky check the electrical, HVAC Pro the heating and air, Roofer the Roof, Bug guy the bugs, and Plumber camera the sewer. That way their are no surprises.
Good job with the new equipment!
One thing I could never understand about goodman is why they stub out the suction line of the coil in an odd size. Here is what probably happened. That guy put a swage in there to open it up, in order to fit the 3/4 line in. Then, the swage went out the other side there where you had the leak...That is by no means any excuse for the original installer.
Sold them a Goodman - it figures - someone needs to Trane that installer - not that I'm trying to be Ruud
Nnothing stops a trane, except a budget. Lol
lol they almost got Rheemed.
SMH
Is Goodman really any worse than other brands when properly installed?
You are close to being a POET!!!!!!!!
Do installs not have permits and inspections in SC? Here in Florida, all work has to be inspected and this is exactly the reason why.
Per the IMC, all outside refrigerant access ports are to have locking caps. Dryer termination caps are not to have any screens or restrictions. Per the IFGC and manufacturers installation manual, the gas supply piping is suppose to be hard piped out and flexible gas line connected at that point. Flexible gas hoses are not to pass through the cabinet walls of appliances.
That pex pipe plumbing is also hacked together. Shark bite fittings are not what a professional plumber uses. That's a home depot hack.
Just a question is this located where it drops to freezing temps. 90 percent furnace in untreated air space is not good for the condensation from the furnace. Freeze up or crack plastics in the inducer motor. Dr Other than that looks good
That scroll compressor is screaming "for the love of God, turn me off!!!"
Pressure safety switches? Who ever needed those? I mean, they *always* turn off at the wrong time so better remove them while you're in there!
My thoughts exactly. The unit is going to run itself to a quick death without gas. I have seen many cheap units with only a high pressure switch. The compressor overloads serve as the low cut out, poor design.
Yeah I would've pulled that disconnect quick or pulled the Y call.
@@Stoney3K Goodman offers CUs without pressure safeties to lower cost. Super sad
Yes, that makes no sense it is running with pressure that low. What a terrible design.
I do not know where you are located but where I live the electrical disconnect is not allowed to be installed on the equipment. I know installers are instructed to put a P-trap on all condensate drain lines but they are not needed if the evaporator drain pan is on the pressure side of the fan.
when I saw that solder job at the ID coil figured that it was probably going to be the service port inside there melted all to pieces and leaking. Good call on that chimney! Old Ted taken care of business. They are much better off now and won't die prematurely. ☠️☠️☠️
Wasn’t a melted service port, hole in hothead backside of the manifold! They used a stepbit to de burr the suction line.
@@larrygreenwich9712 I was trying to figure out how they put the hole in that line. All this crap work but he does de burr his tubing. Good thing he did and you got involved probably saved that families life
Apparently, cover plates for single pole switches must be in short supply.
I couldn’t count the things I saw wrong on that video. Not to mention they had line and low voltage going in the same knock out. Yes they need to sue for not only one of the worst change outs but endangering there lives not being vented. Also you need to let your customer know not to store gas cans under the house. An inspector would tear that person up who installed this. Great video
i would tell them to not store that gas can in there, gas fumes with a furnace near by. BOOM
No where near the furnace, plenty of fresh air intake and out.
Would not have been as big of a deal if the new furnace was pulling air from the outside rather than in the crawl space.
good point, gas vapor does pool at the ground and builds upward. worse in cold weather and low spots.
Exactly what i was thinking
The the heat exchanger on a furnace is a sealed compartment at least on the newer systems no flames or fumes should come out.
I feel so bad for the home owners at least now they got a quality install and a good system.
The new work looks good, but... shouldn’t the switch mounted on the unit have a cover plate to prevent possible electrical shock?
Most people know you shouldnt jam your fingers into electrical shit. Dude probably didnt have a face plate that day and just used what they had
Yes faceplate is a must. May need some sort of box for damp locations but not 100% on that
Yeah, it should def have a cover.
Lineset probably shouldn't be ran on the ground either. Few 90 bends with a bender and hangers isnt all too much time.
I'm working towards my HVAC license and 608. Thanks for the videos, I always learn something. I have to say, even as a "newbie" to HVAC I know better than use the chimney for flue or combustion, level the furnace and A-coil, and I can properly solder the line set without melting anything. The previous installer...well, that's why you always use a licensed contractor that you research before committing. Saving a few $s at first can cost you in the long run. Thanks for sharing, and keep the videos coming.
The new system looks amazing, that other install was entirely horrendous.
After watching your videos. I decided to fix my own a/c. I can do bad by myself.
Great install. I’m a American standard dealer and I love those stubby new furnaces that trane and American standard came out with. As always love the videos
That's what you get when you try to save a few hundred dollars.
S C M, I sure hope they saved more than a few hundred dollars.
I am not a certified A/C tech but do all my own work on my properties. It is shocking some of the rigs I see. My homemade air conditioner I built in 1998 still works fine. As an amateur I find my work to be superior to most licensed A/C contractors I have encountered. I get offended when some supply houses refuse to sell to me because I don't have a permission slip from the government but if I was not able to do it myself there is no way I could have a good system without being mired in unsustainable debt. Also I prefer steel duct which no one here uses on residential so I just fabricate it myself and even put the thermostat wire in conduit to avoid rats., The refrigerant lines are through the slab and in underground conduit with the valves covered because we have had a huge problem with huffers draining the system to try and get high.
I do installs and i nearly flipped my lid when i saw that unit under the house.... just absolutely terrible! No sense in quality anywhere. What a shame.
oh my gosh! this is crazy! The electrical just hanging there reminds me of what I'm finding in the walls of my house as I upgrade from paneling to drywall... yikes! Glad you were able to help. I love a beautiful install. They're a work of art if done properly. :)
I noticed you're using one of those Chinese 410A bottles you can get on eBay. How does that work out for you? The price is great, but I'm hesitant to try it for fear of what might (or might not) be in the tank.
Do you have to pull a permit and get an inspection for a furnace job down south? I know up here in the great white north you certainly do, an inspector, obviously, wouldn’t have let that hack job slide. Otherwise, nice looking job.
You are required to have a permit here in the south. Sadly a lot of folks just don't get one, and do the job anyways, resulting in this type of work...
My Goodman system has been running 21 years and I've only had to replace the electric furnace ignitor twice.
I don't like Trane.
I wish I could say that. My Goodman compressor gave up at 8 years, thankfully under the extended 10 year warranty. The second one lasted five years.
@@bobs182 trane makes good products but their service information is terrible.
My goodman has been running twenty years only had to replace tha house twice
Here in Texas that would be considered a shit job of an install the coil doesn't match up with the furnace so it's uneven plus the equipment is Goodman and there's nothing good of a Goodman I agree total hack job terrible my guys would be fired on the spot
If they put some roll roofing on the floor it would protect the plastic from being torn with the mower and other items being stored there
Looks like you still need a switch cover on the electrical box. But 200% better than before
The other guys saw the chimney but never checked where it went. Assumed it went thru the roof
Wow, I can't believe that original installation. I live up in Minnesota, and we really don't have crawl space installations like that. I like having my HVAC in a nice clean basement, on a concrete floor.
Total Hack Job with the Electric & Plumbing Nothing supported, no connectors, open conductors, no equipment ground, The improper flue piping could have been deadly.
I see unsafe every day in Ohio and WV. This is about a 9/10 where 10 is structure burnt down. The CO danger is phenomenal and total replacement the best option. Does your state pursue these people if turned in?
Great video showing a bad install. Can’t believe that the exhaust was set into a nonfunctional chimney. Great job with your installation. Did you cap off the old exhaust vent in the chimney so that animals can’t get inside?
Wonderful catch! They are very lucky they had that leak else they may not have known the danger until next fall, and maybe too late then. Full replacement was the solution I had in mind from the time you showed that cobbed up electric box - glad they were able to pull that off.
No cover on the new outlet, lineset running on the floor and filter drier outside...
Still room to improve, eh...
Good catch on the electrical box cover plate .
No ground either!
Goodmans have the f/d built into the condenser
It almost looked line the video was carefully shot and edited to avoid showing a full frontal view of that missing faceplate. You couldn't even install one without trimming of the bottom of the faceplate since the box is flush with the furnace.
Why should the filter line drier be inside with the evap coil, I’ve seen plenty of units come from factory with the filter line drier installed inside the condenser.?
Final electrical inspection might not have been done yet. I'm in the middle of a project and my inspector wants to see the faceplates I'm going to use, but not installed yet.
The quality of nearly all the installations both AC. And electrical are absolutely diabolical, there is no way we would get away with that in the uk. Shocking.
that wouldn't fly here in the US either if they got an inspection, for multiple reasons.
Since this house was flipped, there should have been an inspection done somewhere. Most states require it.
Great work and good find on that chimney situation. I’d say most techs would have never noticed.
On you install, the furnace must be a 90% + eff, because of the pvc flue. Are you relying on the crawl space vents for combustible air?
Hope they don't close them in the winter like most people do or encapsulate the crawl space.
As a remodel contractor here in SC, I get a few calls a year from 'home flippers'. I politely decline their work right off because of these situations. I lay this botch directly at the feet of the flippers and less so on the 'installer'. I say this because they're own greed came back to bite them. They took the cheapest labor and equipment to line their pockets off this flip. They knew this installer was cheap and that's all they cared about. I doubt they cared about how his work looked or even if it performed correctly. Admittedly I only watched this once and really hope I missed something here. One rule to live by: NEVER WORK FOR FLIPPERS!!
Scary and deadly flipper install. Good work on the repair and getting rid of that junk
How did this pass inspection? People pull the permits before buying house.
The main problem with HVAC, Solar and many similar system installation is that extreme markup cost by HVAC, Solar, Auto work..etc companies. As an example, a 3 ton unit with the coil will cost $1500-1800, but an HVAC company would easily charge $5000+. This is not how it used to be in good old days. People are getting poorer and poorer and information are readily available with internet, so its not uncommon that people take a chance and try DIY or try to go cheap because consumers simply can't afford (most of them). Not trying to justify a poor work but telling what's going on.
Of course this is a horrible installation.
whoever installed the Goodman unit needs to be fired and the owner of the house need to press some charges on
We install strictly Trane where I work. Big fan of the new S8X and S9X furnaces. Only thing I hate about them is the blower compartment has that plate over it and can sometimes be a pain to take off when you need to swap out blower motors.
Any update on what the homeowner did with the old installers
How far do you guys have to be from that dryer vent. Our codes wouldn’t allow it. Gotta be 2 feet here
It doesn't matter what the codes are there. I guarantee you this installation didn't meet any of them. They were touching eachother ffs.
company i work for always uses single wall 30 gauge pipe for 80% furnaces and never have any problems out of them. Definite hack job though! Also i would have shut the A/C unit off at disconnect as soon as i heard that compressor and felt that warm suction line. Your work looks solid.
Same but depends where the system is at we’ll used double wall
I did residential work in a town about 30 minutes from you. This area is full of hack jobs lol. Currently in west Texas working as a centrifugal and air cooled chiller technician. Good work. I would love to show y’all some of the stuff I’ve been working on
Just amazing....licenses should be revoked and criminal charges should definitely be pressed....this is just a tragedy.
More likely the job was done by unlicensed hvac contractor.
Unlikely to be licensed
That install was a night mare, death trap waiting to happen. Good catch on the chimney.
Questions:
The romex wire should be in M/C flex where I live in Denver.
Do you usually one a one pipe system for the vent. Some manufacturers want the combustion air and vent in the same atmospheric.
The moment you mentioned that this house had been 'flipped' I knew there was going to be serious issues. I'm sure there are flippers who do repairs and upgrades properly, but....
I'm equally sure those folks are the minority.
What about the water heater? Unless it's a tankless that would need to be changed also.
Ever hear of electric water heaters?
I'm shocked that the insulation didnt completely burst into flames and also totally shocked that nobody died of carbon monoxide poisoning or got sick from the venting not being attached. That hole in the evaporator was giant, it looks like they somehow managed to get a screw into it. The new install is quite a bit better than the old. Good work
How did this house pass re-inspection? Yes the installer did junk work but the inspector should have caught that too.
Wow! That's crazy.. nice video .. I'm an 11 year H3 licensed contractor (36 years experience, mostly new construction / change outs).. not sure if anyone commented on it, but I noticed the liquid line was kinked off at the coil where the hack installed the piston...
Novice HVAC tech here. I have 2 months of installs prior to 10 months of service. I'm trying to think, even if you know nothing about how to install a furnace except watching a few timelapses of HVAC builds, how you could *possibly* mess something up *that* bad in the evaporator coil... what, did he not feel like melting the seals was enough, that he had to point his braze torch into the pipe to blow a hole through it too?
Goodman will sell to anyone so this is what you get. Also no low pressure cut off so the manufacture saved a couple of dollars there.
Great video, what a hack! Here in Kentucky we are weary of putting 90% furnaces In crawlspaces due to condensate freezing. Maybe you are farther south!
as a Goodman service tech and installer, that system is poorly-installed, why not put some conduit to extend the wire? where is the switch cover?
also did they, not vacuum the unit down before opening it up? good news is tho the coil should be warrantied
Is it common for the water lines to be just hanging like that? Why don’t they put the furnace in the attic or in the house?
Very good on up grading to high efficiency furnace job looks much better only one thing I would had done different the drain coming out of indoor coil I would had installed a TEE before the trap with a cap so drain can be cleaned I see to many times on new installs no one wants to install drain clean outs. It's not much more work nor more money to do so when you sell the customer a twice a year service the tech can completely flush out that trap with hot water and bleach to help prevent mold growing in AC trap and also able to drop one if those chlorine tablets that customer will never have a issue with backed up drain. I know some people just locate the end of drain line and use a shop vac that's my last resort flushing cleans drain line and also tells you 100 percent you got it unplugged that just how I do it everyone is different but I never had a block trap or drain line by doing it that way
Is it code where you're at after your install to use 2 part gas cocks and not have a switch plate cover or rigid conduit to the floor joist??
really digging that gas can and mower under the house with that gas furnace. Guess the luck will hold for them.
What bout the drain freezing in the winter time since it's a 90% furnace? Shouldn't it be insulated
Whoever comes in with a price closest to zero gets the job!
This is absolutely some type of attempted murder or manslaughter charge.
But sadly nothing may happen to the hack installer unless someone did/does die.
wb2vsj_in_NC would need to be licensed - which he probably wasn’t.
Why is the condensation line running off the furnace going outside? Water is going to freeze and cause a backup and call back.
I would have liked to seen a switchbox cover on that power switch though....also can't help think drawing moist crawlspace combustion air in isn't going to help the longevity of those burners. Least it's safe now though
did they not have a home inspector check out the house prior to purchase?
I rent the basement in this house and the landlord lives upstairs and he just had a guy install a Goodman furnace with a air conditioner unit that sits outside,
after the guy left I used almost a full roll of aluminum tape on the duct work, to cover all the gaps he left and yesterday I had to fill in the two holes that he used for the air conditioner
lines and the furnace exhaust vent, that goes through the wall outside but i'm looking at the air intake for the fresh air for the furnace and he didn't run a pipe outside for that, there is just the hole in the furnace next to the exhaust pipe, so i'm looking to see if there is a video that shows me if it is supposed to draw fresh air from the outside or if it's ok to draw the air from the furnace room??
How'd that hole even form like that? They overheat the copper during that hack brazing job?
I just got a new Goodman Heating/Cooling system installed for upstairs a few months ago, thankfully the installers actually did a great job.
Why was there no face plate on the on off junction box going to the furnace and how come you didn't install the intake pipe that goes to the burners of the furnace to the exterior of the house. what happens if there is a potential gas leak in that space and the ignitor comes on in the heat mode and ignites the gas?
Aren’t these things supposed to be inspected before the house is sold?
I really would love to know where this at. I've never seen a furnace laid on it's side. Everyone he works on is sideways, and basically in the dirt.
Ace job they've done with the flue pipe and the imaginary chimney. 👌
was there no condensate drain pan under that unit? was the secondary drain attached to the primary? Flue was PVC?
Owners were going to drop off old system to installer? Does that mean never paid installer? And if old system paid for why not patch the hole, gas it, run a chimney out roof, fix a few odds and ends. A whole bunch cheaper than trashing a almost new system and installing a new. Just wondering
That's a prime example of what gives Goodman a bad name in the industry. Lowest bidder gets the job and then it ends up costing homeowner more money in the end. Good work isn't good and good work isn't cheap.
I installed my own A/C 40 years ago. A company in town was offering DIY kits. The only thing I couldn't do was fabricate the plenum box to hold the A coil. I've had only two problems in 40 years. I accidentally drove a nail into the vapor line in the garage wall. (It was behind a sheet of pegboard) I had to have an HVAC guy come out to fix the leak and refill the system. More recently the condenser fan motor had to be replaced.
Was that a chimney or a concrete block pier for structural support?
I’m just curious did you get paid for that job
7500.00
It looks like they used a Mapp torch to braze those lines. I am baffled as to how that elbow in the coil got blown out like that!? Is it possible that the factory had a solder spot there and the over heating from the Mapp torch made it melt away?