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If Old Man Zangetsu has the power to stop time & power over shadows then perhaps that's the power Yhwach wanted to stop when he broke Ichigo's bankai in the soul palace. I think we've barely touched on all of Ichigo's powers as in we've not actually seen it yet.
I find it great that Ichigo's story is more of a personal journey to overcome grief in the constant presence of death. Ichigo never wanted to be strong for the sake of being strong.
Well with Yhwach ideals, Ichigo at the start of the series wouldve much more likely to side with him since his goals would be sth that Ichigo wants because of his mom death moment
I love that Kubo always showed us that White was saddened by how Ichigo rejects him. It is always there, in very subtle ways. Also love how Tensa Zangetsu looks like Yhwach in his youth.
And when you look at Zangetsu when he first showed himself, after Ichigo was given another chance, his face showed that of pride, and at the same time sadness
The one thing that disappoints me about the story of Ichigo’s relationship with Zangetsu is that, even after learning the true nature of his powers, we never get to see Ichigo have an honest conversation with White where he finally acknowledges and accepts him
It always bothered me how ichigo never thought about doing that throughout the whole series Even going and talking to old man zangetsu, it definitely would've made for way better character moments
Yea im sad about the fact that they didnt do anything for a convo with White While The Blade Is Me and with Dangai form, Ichigo may have shown how he accepted White as part of him completely, a talk wouldve been cool While i guess its also because White is part of Ichigo and Ichigo is White, there was nvr really a need to Think of it as Ichigo is denying part of himself, so if you take away this whole manifestation of White etc, Ichigo as a person is simply fighting his inner demons or fears Like how we know we should do it like this, but part of you knows you want to do it like this White is that want, it is Ichigo's instinct. Ichigo logical self is denying his instinct. Things about psychology affect alot of your work aptitude. And animes like sports type like Baby Steps explores on this. When you have listened enough of instinct and you done what you wanted, when it comes down to it on what you need to do, your level of focus becomes that much higher. Cuz all your distractions are all gone and you can go all out Ichigo and White is that same relation. Because Ichigo kept denying, Ichigo power fluctuate massively as White is directly part of his power Only difference is that unlike our instincts, White is someone who quite literally will fck Ichigo over even if it means by force even if it pains him to do so... This is very evident of White being Ichigo since Ichigo first fight with Renji, you can see the similarities in how Ichigo kind of acted, modestly cocky and always raring to challenge, to how White speaks.. Its Ichigo personality, his self...Its like Ichigo has a split personality and he finally found closure of his heart So when ppl compare to like Naruto and Kurama, on surface yea its similar, but the dynamics are very different Naruto and Kurama were 2 separate entity White and Ichigo were originally always 1
@@Vonmoonlight I agree 100%. People forget that a Shinigami's Zanpaktou are literal manifestations of their souls. As in another part of themselves. The core of their powers is their own souls and syncing with them. It's not touched on much, but the Bankai process seems to be accepting that your Zanpaktou is YOU!
@@FinrodFelagundTheFair well, if this was true, then ichigo wouldn't get bankai, because he only accepted old zangetsu (using borrowed shinigami powers) to teach ichigo his bankai, to get bankai is another history, i don't know how, but it probably isn't the way you said, the process you said is of a true bankai in it's whole power, it was more like combining the pieces until the whole puzzle was completed, but to get bankai you need to communicate with your inner self and probably learn the true meaning and nature of yourself, that's why ichigo has so many forms, he slowly progress on accepting or needing more power, it is like all his forms after bankai are just a piece of bankai first attained but by adding more of his true whole bankai pieces into it.
It's just unsettling to know just how little of a bond, the most powerful protagonist in the entire anime, has with his zanpaktou. Being seen as someone who only seeks/ends up in his inner world only when he needs help.
On a technicality, this is the real Tensa Zangetsu. However, it’s more like a raw state of Tensa Zangetsu as in the Bankai that Ichigo initially possessed was only a representation of Ichigo’s suppressed Soul reaper/hollow powers. In short, this Zangetsu is all of Ichigo’s power at the time shoehorned into the incomplete Bankai. At this point, Ichigo’s powers had no base to be fully expressed due to the lack of an Asauchi, and the emotional and mental barriers placed there by Ichigo himself. Because of this, both his Hollow/Shinigami powers and Quincy powers are shown as separate initially, instead of being fused into one from the get-go. Ichigo’s hate for his inner-hollow, and his blind faith in his Quincy manifestation is what caused this separation, and blocked him from accessing the full-potential of this incomplete and bastardised Bankai.
Actually, the real tensa zangetsu was the full hollow ichigo. Since tensa zangetsu was ichigo's bankai's name (hence representing only the shinigami-hollow part, not the Quincy part). While the tensa zangetsu that ichigo fuses with in order to become dangai/mugetsu, that's a mutated version which is fused with partial Quincy source.
@@sladew9788 actually if we want to get technical both are and have always been Zangetsu. Why would both look different cause of Ichigo being in bankai if that weren't the case? If bankai was only white then the quincy power shouldn't have changed to look younger. Not to mention Ichigo pointed all this out himself when he had Zangetsu reforged
@@Pr0digyZRX when ichigo was reforging zangetsu, ohetsu points out that OMZ has been pretending to be his zanpakto power, and the real zanpakto was white (aka zangetsu). What ichigo does here is to rename both yhwach's soul fragment and zangetsu as "tensa zangetsu". When he did that, both of them became one entity, so, the TYBW version is a merged soul (which in turn is merged with himself). Meanwhile, the dangai/mugetsu version isn't the same case. Because at this point yhwach's soul fragment acts solely as his Quincy side, not his shinigami side (though, ichigo at this point mistook yhwach's soul fragment to be his shinigami representation). The real tensa zangetsu had always been white prior to reforging. In ichigo's dangai/mugetsu training, it's a mutate version of ichigo's power (though it's more closer to his true powers, since his true powers are a combination of everything not just his shinigami-hollow side)
@@Pr0digyZRX I think the quincy became younger because at that point the Hollow was in Bankai and had more power over Ichigo's Soul. Yhwach becomes younger the less power he has, so maybe it's the same for OMZ.
Ichigo coming to terms with his inner struggles and then unleashing his power to stop Aizen will always be epic. Ironic then that his powers also nearly led to him being gouged and harvested of said power forever as a contignecy by Squad Zero alongside Gotei 13. Him becoming the Spirit King would've been a bleak ending for sure, especially given everything he did and how he used his powers to protect rather than conquer, destroy or control.
I really do believe that Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu is True Zangetsu. Ichigo's True Shikai combines to create his True Bankai Tensa Zangetsu. Kubo stated that when the scabbard broke, it revealed True Zangetsu. I also think that Ichigo keeps the one shikai now because the spirits are merged since Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu could be True Zangetsu.
@@claybtw6825 It was during the final fight with Ulquiorra when his Hollow took over. Both his spirits have abilities Ichigo hasn’t used yet. The sword thing might be a Soul Reaper skill because it was used by his Hollow who represents said powers but it’s never fully explained.
@@claybtw6825 Don’t think so. He doesn’t even remember the events to try for himself. And he’s been rejecting his Hollow to learn anything from him for most of the series till the final arc.
"If he really wanted to beat me, he could have without even trying. Right from the start. There was _THAT_ big of a difference in our strength." That's crazy to hear, as at that point, Ichigo was around Ulquiorra's base form in power without using his Mask, which is freakin' powerful. Also, I just noticed my comment on your Hollow Zangetsu video is in the video. Thanks!
I love it when you can tell a character is powerful when they pull up and their foot touches the ground only to shatter the ground where they step, i.e. when vasto lorde white is pulled out of ichigo, and when ichigo exits the dangai and rolls up on aizen.
As much as I love Ichigo's self-actualization at the end of TYBW cour 1, I do kinda miss his interactions with Zangetsu (both aspects). They are some of the most important moments for Ichigo's character development, and contain so much more relevant information once you have the full story. Seeing them three of the interact after Ichigo is more at peace and balanced would've been a nice treat. Though I understand why it doesn't happen from a narrative purpose. Ichigo says it himself. He will not call upon them as some sort of outside aid. They are his power and he weilds them by his own hands. So there's not really as much need for introspective visits. As for Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu. It's a very cool design, and given that he's the amalgamation of all of Ichigo's powers but unhindered by Ichigo's hesitations and lack of experience, he should be pretty freaking strong. But in the one instance we see him, he's held back by how much he cares for Ichigo. Neither Zangetsu wants to actually hurt Ichigo. They just want to help him achieve his goal. This new form is temporary and serves that one function. Considering that they expect to basically die and never return after defeating Aizen, that especially sad. But it would've been cool if Kubo had used him to gives a preview of some more advanced abilities for Ichigo to use in the future.
That would be great to see considering by the time we get to the hell arc, 12 years have passed. That should have been enough for him to master his true bankai
Merged tensa is basically all his powers without an asauchi it makes me wonder what ichigo would look like with all his powers and acceptance of himself without an asauchi
You should have mentioned that hollow and quincy can never merge together because hollows are basically poison to the quincy. We all saw this happen to Masaki when White tried to infect her. However, Ichigo became a container for such a merge that should never have happened in the first place. Such a feat can only be done by someone who is really a worthy successor to the Soul King. This is the very reason why Transendent Aizen couldn't sense Ichigo's powers. Ichigo was basically at a God level that Aizen was trying to reach. I also agree that Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu is one of the most powerful character in Bleach. Their merging represents all of Ichigo's powers combined and balanced together. We never see this happen again ever within the story. Ichigo with his true zanpakutou at the end vs Yhwach stated himself that he needs to awaken his powers in order for him to use them properly, meaning he needs a nudge first for those powers to work. Those powers are two separate entities which are finally restored to their true powers. However Dangai Ichigo, who is basically a vessel for Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu, is already at maximum power and is able to destroy mountains, shake off 90s Hado, and barely gets his arm burned from basically a nuke. His Getsuga form takes him at an even higher level such that he becomes his own zanpakutou. Such levels are really the highest and most transcendent we have ever seen in the whole of Bleach.
I think that the true tensa zangetsu allows ichigo to use all his powers: shinagmi, Quince, hollow in uisons. The shikai allows him to switch between the power, thus the horn of salvation, or how he appears to have the og shikai in the new breeds from hell one-shot.
. So in summary, shikai power allows him to pick and choose what part of himself he uses at a given time. And his bankai allows him to use all of himself to fight
seeing all the moments where tensa zangetsu grabs ichigo and throws him around makes the scene where ichi grabs aizen and tosses him make so much more sense. I never picked up on it, but it makes sense. also the long haired, black masked white zangetsu was just ridiculously sexy for no reason
think the best way to have a return would be if he ever goes in to his inner world in bankai again since that is the merge of the powers where his base he uses them separately.
[Spoilers for the end of the TYBW] In my own headcanon, this is the form that the Zangetsus take when Ichigo uses his Bankai from now on, since he needs to combine both blades to become one again. I imagine upon activation both spirits merge into hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu, but what I'd really like to know is if they'd still look the same, broken mask and all
I think Ichigo wanted to be weak but then his mother died and Ichigo had to get strong. He changed while he didn't want to be strong he wanted to protect other. Zangetsu knew this. That's why he held the power back until ichigo truly wanted to be strong.
Tbh I’d say yes considering everytime he learned something new and came back to his inner world zangestu knew the move and had tht ability too examples would be bankai / vasto lorde forms
Well, there is no "both of them" any longer. The two spirits that exists within ichigo are now share the name "tensa zangetsu" and they are one and same with ichigo. So, for the question whether tensa Zangetsu will grow, yes, because ichigo and zangetsu are one, both of them grow together.
Yes, they grow with him. White was Upper Shikai Captain Level 20 years ago. For 17 years he grew stronger inside Ichigo to the point of being one of the most powerful beings in Bleach.
Yeah, you have to realize the real Zangetsu (White Ichigo) goes through a lot of crap. First the identity theft from old man Zangetsu, then the constant rejection from his wielder (Ichigo) despite being the reason that he's survived up 'till now. The list goes on, it shows how much he cares about Ichigo with what he was willing to put up with.
this is also like the first foreshadowing and hint towards horn of salvation ichigo and his zanpakuto fusing together to become one kinda like how white tensa did
I really wish we got to see him one more time. I’m confident Merged Tensa Zangetsu would have smacked Hogyoku aizen just as badly as ichigo. I really wanted to see him use getsuga tensho against ichigo in this form but we know how it would have ended 💀💀💀
What if the old man was holding back his power because he knew that he would suffer the same fate as the soul king, but when push came to shuv in the TYBW he had no choice to give ichigo his freedom to face his own problems
Its insane to even think that ichigo potential has reached his full potential, in theory he should also be able to use resurrection he could also learn the quincy techniques we saw Quilge and Uryu use bro is nuts
I wish he learned about his Quincy powers during his time when he didn’t have shinigami powers and only when he finally gets it back that he’s forced to confront both zangetsus in his inner world Imagine at the beginning of tybw he’s already mentally unstable with the revelation
That would make so sense since Ichigo was still in the dark about himself as well as never fully accepting himself; Uryu, Chad, & Orihime openly stated how sad Ichigo was when he had no powers in the Lost Agent arc so how could Ichigo use Quincy powers when he had no spiritual awareness at all?
As a writer, it's hard to imagine everything that could come up in such a situation, and worse, doing so might make creating the focus fight between Izen and Ichigo harder to conceive. Instead, yes, it's better to get the main battle out of the way, so taht the experience levels needed can be fleshed out later in another arc. Even, if that arc, is to swing back and revisit this arc again as a flash back, or as a new educational component.
Another thing after he lost his Shinigami Powers he regain them as he opened up and trained a new side Powers called the fullbring which essentially allows him to empower and use the soul energy of the living world around him tell him becoming stronger than dangai Ichigo form form makes sense
What if Ichigo gained some of that power and form when he fought Aizen. It's clear Ichigo in his Dongai form surpassed Aizen and was about to reach Deity level of power since Aizen couldn't sense Ichigo's power but the time Aizen figured out Ichigo is far stronger than him, it was too late.
Quasi Transcend being = Pupa Aizen, serious non awakened yuha, Ichibe 1st class Transcend being = Awakened Aizen, Bankai Yamamoto(peak), Awakened yuha 2nd class Transcend being = butterfly Aizen, fully absorb soulking yuha 3rd class Transcend being = hollow butterfly aizen, tensa zanggetsu ichigo 4th class Transcend being = 6th anni Aizen and soulking...probably 5th class Transcend being = Mugetsu Ichigo
An asauch have the function to help an shinigame to manifest his powers, but because ichigo don't have one initially, his powers are not sincronized, this is what cause him losting control using hollow powers (based in stinct, emotions and desires), a shinigame, a hollow or an quincy don't need a tutor to learn how they powers work, but it not only will take time it is dangerous too because sometimes the power have nasty drawback efects.
I personally feel like he should have had a third manifestation to represent his fullbring powers or have old man Zangetsu be a combination of his Quincy and fullbring Powers the same way Hollow Ichigo is his Shinigami and Hollow powers combined
Mr Dbzimran, since you are clearly obsessed with Bleach. have you ever considered writing fanfics? Have you ever thought about what would've happened if one character did this?
I dont think i have to say this but I would’ve liked a horn of salvation Ichigo with the color scheme of hollowfied Tena’s zangetsu the color scheme is great
Despite that, I still think Ichibei would easily curbstomp Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu. He is just irreversibly busted like that. Anywho, it's funny that the even younger Yhwach also kinda looks like Byakuya Kuchiki. 😏😏😏
I always like to think that Hollowfied tensa zangetsu is the spirt form of ichigos true bankai as it’s a combination of all of ichigos powers (Besides his fullbringer powers)
@@chrispambo1539 exactly bro, but there's still some people saying, "no there are cut scenes in the tybw anime so it's not canon" and when you say them that kubo is involved in every step, they don't know how to react and say obvious things like "HE DiDn't WrITe The StORybOARD" like tell me a mangaka who draws storyboard for the anime adaptation of his manga ? Like for real, these people are just here to upset some dudes who just wanna chill in front of their favorite animes without seeing any stupid comments in the comment section : (
Hey I’ve been confused with trying to answer this question, so I ask if anyone out there can answer, what did hollow ichigo mean when he said “I have no name” in response to byakuya kuchiki’s question during the soul society arc?
At that point in the story Old Man Zangetsu stole his name. One can say he was salty about that. Imagine being a Zanpakuto Spirit waiting for your master to get powerful to contact you and get stronger together then comes this quincy fragment and steals your name, presents himself as the real Zanpakuto making you look like the bad guy and taking credit for the progress of your Master. He even missed the bankai training. Zangetsu was nothing and that was what Ichigo thought of him. That's why he said he had no name.
See Ichigo never understood that white is part of the whole zangetsu until this time. And that old man was part of his quince and white was hollow. Both fused by his shinigami style. And unlike the vizords ichigos inner hollow isn't a separate hollow it's part of his whole. Not a separate power just his rash and bold nature. And old man was the calm nd collected nature. And the inner hollow always took over to protect Ichigo when he was loosing or dying
Considering all that happened in the fight between Ichigo and Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu, Ichigos rebuild of zanpaktou(s) and his regaining shinigami powers in the TYBWA and the confrontation with Bach, makes it look like it was all pissing in the wind, and so underused. But that's just one of the million things wrong with TYBWA, I guess.
So I have a theory Dangi inchigo was ichigo full powered as a shinigami the way his hand merged with his zanpakuto which is why he could use final getsuga tensho in this form. While in final getsuga form his hair is the same as his full hollow form Full hollow form ichigo was full hollow powers only notice he didn't use any shinigami techniques in the form like flash step or getsuga tensho and also his hair is the same length as final getuga form just different color. Power wise I believe both forms are equal in power. Full power shinigami levels a mountain by swinging his sword. Full powered hollow fissures the ground by swinging his sword. By the end of TYBW we have a new bankai form from ichigo which is full power shinigami + full power hollow with quincy powers unlocked. Tensa zangetsu is full powered shinigami + full power hollow + full power quincy... In conclusion ichigo can run a gauntlet against the captains in his current form. But when he fully understands his quincy powers he could fight them all at the same time Not to mention he has full bring which i believe will help him infinitly spam final getsuga tensho with anything because of the hollow within him execpt it would be called "final" it would be like "supreme" We need a new ark 🤷🏾♂️ theres so many possiblites
I strongly believe it’s going to be questions that’ll never get answered there has been conspiracy left and right about it and theories of others bleach was left off with so many questions and not enough answers to them.
I think we all know the reason why they never showed his true shikai and bankai spirits,THE IMMEASURABLE DRIP THEY POSSESS WOULD ABSOLUTELY CURB STOMP YWACH AND END THE SERIES AT THEIR MERE PRESENCE!!!
"The blade is me" everything we see in hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu is literally Ichigo's full power unleashed. So it seems to me hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu isn't stronger than Ichigo... they're the same being... all 3 of them are Ichigo
Well, I just want to say that just ichigo's soul reaper and hollow powers became 1, but what about his quincy powers? I dont have a proper theory but what I think its gonna happend is that he in a future will have to adapt his quincy powers to that "tensa zangetsu" crazy form
Ngl white is lowkey better as a character to ichigo, he only wanted him to be stronger and protect along with help him, while old zangetsu wanted to hold his power back to keep him safe, and honestly justice for white he was hated by ichigo hella just for being a hollow
Dangai Ichigo still my favorite. And I still believe ichigo Bankai still haven't reach the level of Dangai even after gaining his powers back. No where near
There is no "May be", nah he's only weaker than SK Ywach and MAYBE Aizen (If you exclude prime Soul King). Aizen in TYBW says to Shikai Ichigo "Ah you've regained the power you used to defeat me" where Ichigo was the only one who could sense Aizen and eventually became a dimensional tier above him with Mugetsu; even SK Ywach was afraid of Ichigo's bankai.
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If Old Man Zangetsu has the power to stop time & power over shadows then perhaps that's the power Yhwach wanted to stop when he broke Ichigo's bankai in the soul palace. I think we've barely touched on all of Ichigo's powers as in we've not actually seen it yet.
So if ichigo goes into his hollow form does means he's in bonki
I find it great that Ichigo's story is more of a personal journey to overcome grief in the constant presence of death. Ichigo never wanted to be strong for the sake of being strong.
Oh that's typical shonen lore
Facts just like naruto saying he wanted to become hokage
These replies trolling hard lol
Well with Yhwach ideals, Ichigo at the start of the series wouldve much more likely to side with him since his goals would be sth that Ichigo wants because of his mom death moment
Nah,he has battle thirstsness.
It isn't on the level of Zaraki but he acnowledgeg it against Grimmjow
I love that Kubo always showed us that White was saddened by how Ichigo rejects him. It is always there, in very subtle ways.
Also love how Tensa Zangetsu looks like Yhwach in his youth.
And when you look at Zangetsu when he first showed himself, after Ichigo was given another chance, his face showed that of pride, and at the same time sadness
He looks like someone else... Not Yhwach...
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bro kubo hinted horn of salvation waaaay earlier gotta respect it
Yeah he awesome with his foreshadowing way better then kingdom hearts
he hinted at it even waay before that.. cover of chapter 289
...you know, I never did notice that disappointment White had at Ichigo's thought that he was gone
The one thing that disappoints me about the story of Ichigo’s relationship with Zangetsu is that, even after learning the true nature of his powers, we never get to see Ichigo have an honest conversation with White where he finally acknowledges and accepts him
It always bothered me how ichigo never thought about doing that throughout the whole series
Even going and talking to old man zangetsu, it definitely would've made for way better character moments
@@Delphscoyou have a good point. Maybe that can be fixed in the anime
Yea im sad about the fact that they didnt do anything for a convo with White
While The Blade Is Me and with Dangai form, Ichigo may have shown how he accepted White as part of him completely, a talk wouldve been cool
While i guess its also because White is part of Ichigo and Ichigo is White, there was nvr really a need to
Think of it as Ichigo is denying part of himself, so if you take away this whole manifestation of White etc, Ichigo as a person is simply fighting his inner demons or fears
Like how we know we should do it like this, but part of you knows you want to do it like this
White is that want, it is Ichigo's instinct.
Ichigo logical self is denying his instinct.
Things about psychology affect alot of your work aptitude.
And animes like sports type like Baby Steps explores on this.
When you have listened enough of instinct and you done what you wanted, when it comes down to it on what you need to do, your level of focus becomes that much higher.
Cuz all your distractions are all gone and you can go all out
Ichigo and White is that same relation. Because Ichigo kept denying, Ichigo power fluctuate massively as White is directly part of his power
Only difference is that unlike our instincts, White is someone who quite literally will fck Ichigo over even if it means by force even if it pains him to do so...
This is very evident of White being Ichigo since Ichigo first fight with Renji, you can see the similarities in how Ichigo kind of acted, modestly cocky and always raring to challenge, to how White speaks..
Its Ichigo personality, his self...Its like Ichigo has a split personality and he finally found closure of his heart
So when ppl compare to like Naruto and Kurama, on surface yea its similar, but the dynamics are very different
Naruto and Kurama were 2 separate entity
White and Ichigo were originally always 1
@@Vonmoonlight I agree 100%. People forget that a Shinigami's Zanpaktou are literal manifestations of their souls. As in another part of themselves. The core of their powers is their own souls and syncing with them.
It's not touched on much, but the Bankai process seems to be accepting that your Zanpaktou is YOU!
@@FinrodFelagundTheFair well, if this was true, then ichigo wouldn't get bankai, because he only accepted old zangetsu (using borrowed shinigami powers) to teach ichigo his bankai, to get bankai is another history, i don't know how, but it probably isn't the way you said, the process you said is of a true bankai in it's whole power, it was more like combining the pieces until the whole puzzle was completed, but to get bankai you need to communicate with your inner self and probably learn the true meaning and nature of yourself, that's why ichigo has so many forms, he slowly progress on accepting or needing more power, it is like all his forms after bankai are just a piece of bankai first attained but by adding more of his true whole bankai pieces into it.
It's just unsettling to know just how little of a bond, the most powerful protagonist in the entire anime, has with his zanpaktou. Being seen as someone who only seeks/ends up in his inner world only when he needs help.
Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu basically has the young appearance of Juha Bach combined with the look White would have had he become an Arrancar.
Hollowfied tensa zangetsu had so much drip. Ichgio decided to copy him with the dangai drip state
On a technicality, this is the real Tensa Zangetsu. However, it’s more like a raw state of Tensa Zangetsu as in the Bankai that Ichigo initially possessed was only a representation of Ichigo’s suppressed Soul reaper/hollow powers. In short, this Zangetsu is all of Ichigo’s power at the time shoehorned into the incomplete Bankai. At this point, Ichigo’s powers had no base to be fully expressed due to the lack of an Asauchi, and the emotional and mental barriers placed there by Ichigo himself. Because of this, both his Hollow/Shinigami powers and Quincy powers are shown as separate initially, instead of being fused into one from the get-go. Ichigo’s hate for his inner-hollow, and his blind faith in his Quincy manifestation is what caused this separation, and blocked him from accessing the full-potential of this incomplete and bastardised Bankai.
Actually, the real tensa zangetsu was the full hollow ichigo. Since tensa zangetsu was ichigo's bankai's name (hence representing only the shinigami-hollow part, not the Quincy part). While the tensa zangetsu that ichigo fuses with in order to become dangai/mugetsu, that's a mutated version which is fused with partial Quincy source.
@@sladew9788 actually if we want to get technical both are and have always been Zangetsu. Why would both look different cause of Ichigo being in bankai if that weren't the case? If bankai was only white then the quincy power shouldn't have changed to look younger. Not to mention Ichigo pointed all this out himself when he had Zangetsu reforged
@@Pr0digyZRX when ichigo was reforging zangetsu, ohetsu points out that OMZ has been pretending to be his zanpakto power, and the real zanpakto was white (aka zangetsu). What ichigo does here is to rename both yhwach's soul fragment and zangetsu as "tensa zangetsu". When he did that, both of them became one entity, so, the TYBW version is a merged soul (which in turn is merged with himself). Meanwhile, the dangai/mugetsu version isn't the same case. Because at this point yhwach's soul fragment acts solely as his Quincy side, not his shinigami side (though, ichigo at this point mistook yhwach's soul fragment to be his shinigami representation). The real tensa zangetsu had always been white prior to reforging. In ichigo's dangai/mugetsu training, it's a mutate version of ichigo's power (though it's more closer to his true powers, since his true powers are a combination of everything not just his shinigami-hollow side)
@@Pr0digyZRX I think the quincy became younger because at that point the Hollow was in Bankai and had more power over Ichigo's Soul. Yhwach becomes younger the less power he has, so maybe it's the same for OMZ.
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Ichigo coming to terms with his inner struggles and then unleashing his power to stop Aizen will always be epic. Ironic then that his powers also nearly led to him being gouged and harvested of said power forever as a contignecy by Squad Zero alongside Gotei 13. Him becoming the Spirit King would've been a bleak ending for sure, especially given everything he did and how he used his powers to protect rather than conquer, destroy or control.
I really like how the hollow ichigo teased the horn that ichigo eventually gets to peak his power
Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu also reminds me a bit of Muramasa from the anime arc. It's the fur neckline on the coat, mostly.
I really do believe that Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu is True Zangetsu. Ichigo's True Shikai combines to create his True Bankai Tensa Zangetsu. Kubo stated that when the scabbard broke, it revealed True Zangetsu. I also think that Ichigo keeps the one shikai now because the spirits are merged since Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu could be True Zangetsu.
His Hollow can also call upon his sword from a distance with a simple gesture, almost like Jedi in Star Wars.
Is that explained because i dont recall ichigo doing that. It looks cool asf
@@claybtw6825 It was during the final fight with Ulquiorra when his Hollow took over. Both his spirits have abilities Ichigo hasn’t used yet. The sword thing might be a Soul Reaper skill because it was used by his Hollow who represents said powers but it’s never fully explained.
@@ghostspider2056 ik when ig happened i was talking about ichigo himself like when he was conscious
@@claybtw6825 Don’t think so. He doesn’t even remember the events to try for himself. And he’s been rejecting his Hollow to learn anything from him for most of the series till the final arc.
@@ghostspider2056 man white was so cool, it was a shame to see ichigo not build a better relationship with him because he always rejected him
"If he really wanted to beat me, he could have without even trying. Right from the start. There was _THAT_ big of a difference in our strength."
That's crazy to hear, as at that point, Ichigo was around Ulquiorra's base form in power without using his Mask, which is freakin' powerful.
Also, I just noticed my comment on your Hollow Zangetsu video is in the video. Thanks!
I love this form, wish ichigo would have had that dangai outfit it was dope
I love it when you can tell a character is powerful when they pull up and their foot touches the ground only to shatter the ground where they step, i.e. when vasto lorde white is pulled out of ichigo, and when ichigo exits the dangai and rolls up on aizen.
I always loved this scene as it has so much depth related to Ichigos growth of character.
As much as I love Ichigo's self-actualization at the end of TYBW cour 1, I do kinda miss his interactions with Zangetsu (both aspects). They are some of the most important moments for Ichigo's character development, and contain so much more relevant information once you have the full story. Seeing them three of the interact after Ichigo is more at peace and balanced would've been a nice treat. Though I understand why it doesn't happen from a narrative purpose.
Ichigo says it himself. He will not call upon them as some sort of outside aid. They are his power and he weilds them by his own hands. So there's not really as much need for introspective visits.
As for Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu. It's a very cool design, and given that he's the amalgamation of all of Ichigo's powers but unhindered by Ichigo's hesitations and lack of experience, he should be pretty freaking strong. But in the one instance we see him, he's held back by how much he cares for Ichigo. Neither Zangetsu wants to actually hurt Ichigo. They just want to help him achieve his goal. This new form is temporary and serves that one function. Considering that they expect to basically die and never return after defeating Aizen, that especially sad.
But it would've been cool if Kubo had used him to gives a preview of some more advanced abilities for Ichigo to use in the future.
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I’d love a novel of Ichigo training and mastering his sword
That would be great to see considering by the time we get to the hell arc, 12 years have passed. That should have been enough for him to master his true bankai
You should video breakdowns on all of Ichigo’s new alternate forms from the Brave Souls. As well as all the new forms for the other characters.
Merged tensa is basically all his powers without an asauchi it makes me wonder what ichigo would look like with all his powers and acceptance of himself without an asauchi
Probably something like a Resurrección. Quincies don't have natural transformations, so something akin to a Hollow with quincy abilities
You should have mentioned that hollow and quincy can never merge together because hollows are basically poison to the quincy. We all saw this happen to Masaki when White tried to infect her. However, Ichigo became a container for such a merge that should never have happened in the first place. Such a feat can only be done by someone who is really a worthy successor to the Soul King. This is the very reason why Transendent Aizen couldn't sense Ichigo's powers. Ichigo was basically at a God level that Aizen was trying to reach.
I also agree that Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu is one of the most powerful character in Bleach. Their merging represents all of Ichigo's powers combined and balanced together. We never see this happen again ever within the story. Ichigo with his true zanpakutou at the end vs Yhwach stated himself that he needs to awaken his powers in order for him to use them properly, meaning he needs a nudge first for those powers to work. Those powers are two separate entities which are finally restored to their true powers. However Dangai Ichigo, who is basically a vessel for Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu, is already at maximum power and is able to destroy mountains, shake off 90s Hado, and barely gets his arm burned from basically a nuke. His Getsuga form takes him at an even higher level such that he becomes his own zanpakutou. Such levels are really the highest and most transcendent we have ever seen in the whole of Bleach.
Except it works for ichigo because he’s literally a fusion of them both plus shinigami. So your point isn’t even a point
I think that the true tensa zangetsu allows ichigo to use all his powers: shinagmi, Quince, hollow in uisons. The shikai allows him to switch between the power, thus the horn of salvation, or how he appears to have the og shikai in the new breeds from hell one-shot.
. So in summary, shikai power allows him to pick and choose what part of himself he uses at a given time. And his bankai allows him to use all of himself to fight
@@austinbeck3424 what abilities it hold that is the main question
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seeing all the moments where tensa zangetsu grabs ichigo and throws him around makes the scene where ichi grabs aizen and tosses him make so much more sense. I never picked up on it, but it makes sense.
also the long haired, black masked white zangetsu was just ridiculously sexy for no reason
think the best way to have a return would be if he ever goes in to his inner world in bankai again since that is the merge of the powers where his base he uses them separately.
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In my own headcanon, this is the form that the Zangetsus take when Ichigo uses his Bankai from now on, since he needs to combine both blades to become one again. I imagine upon activation both spirits merge into hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu, but what I'd really like to know is if they'd still look the same, broken mask and all
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I think Ichigo wanted to be weak but then his mother died and Ichigo had to get strong. He changed while he didn't want to be strong he wanted to protect other. Zangetsu knew this. That's why he held the power back until ichigo truly wanted to be strong.
Zangetsu is my favorite. 💯 Let ask a Question: as Ichigo grows, will also Zangetsu grow with him along his power? And yes I mean both of them.
Tbh I’d say yes considering everytime he learned something new and came back to his inner world zangestu knew the move and had tht ability too examples would be bankai / vasto lorde forms
His reiatsu increases so yeah
Well, there is no "both of them" any longer. The two spirits that exists within ichigo are now share the name "tensa zangetsu" and they are one and same with ichigo. So, for the question whether tensa Zangetsu will grow, yes, because ichigo and zangetsu are one, both of them grow together.
Yes, they grow with him. White was Upper Shikai Captain Level 20 years ago. For 17 years he grew stronger inside Ichigo to the point of being one of the most powerful beings in Bleach.
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Wish we got more of Hollow Ichigo after the Aizen arc when he got his powers back and so on.
Yeah, you have to realize the real Zangetsu (White Ichigo) goes through a lot of crap. First the identity theft from old man Zangetsu, then the constant rejection from his wielder (Ichigo) despite being the reason that he's survived up 'till now. The list goes on, it shows how much he cares about Ichigo with what he was willing to put up with.
this is also like the first foreshadowing and hint towards horn of salvation ichigo and his zanpakuto fusing together to become one kinda like how white tensa did
Sad that we only see them once fused as hollow tensa zangetsu
They are ichigo’s best partners ever.
The one thing that gets to me after learning about the power that lies on Ichigo is what did the one blue eyes ? When no one has blue eyes like that 🤔
Merged Tensa Zangetsu had the horn of salvation first (more foreshadowing in a brilliant piece of art)
I really wish we got to see him one more time. I’m confident Merged Tensa Zangetsu would have smacked Hogyoku aizen just as badly as ichigo. I really wanted to see him use getsuga tensho against ichigo in this form but we know how it would have ended 💀💀💀
Y'know.. I kinda see White and Old Man as Ichigo's Id and Superego :v they kinda fit well into those molds
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What if the old man was holding back his power because he knew that he would suffer the same fate as the soul king, but when push came to shuv in the TYBW he had no choice to give ichigo his freedom to face his own problems
Maybe he is the heavenly chain from Tensa Zangetsu.
Its insane to even think that ichigo potential has reached his full potential, in theory he should also be able to use resurrection he could also learn the quincy techniques we saw Quilge and Uryu use bro is nuts
I wish he learned about his Quincy powers during his time when he didn’t have shinigami powers and only when he finally gets it back that he’s forced to confront both zangetsus in his inner world
Imagine at the beginning of tybw he’s already mentally unstable with the revelation
That would make so sense since Ichigo was still in the dark about himself as well as never fully accepting himself; Uryu, Chad, & Orihime openly stated how sad Ichigo was when he had no powers in the Lost Agent arc so how could Ichigo use Quincy powers when he had no spiritual awareness at all?
As a writer, it's hard to imagine everything that could come up in such a situation, and worse, doing so might make creating the focus fight between Izen and Ichigo harder to conceive. Instead, yes, it's better to get the main battle out of the way, so taht the experience levels needed can be fleshed out later in another arc. Even, if that arc, is to swing back and revisit this arc again as a flash back, or as a new educational component.
Another thing after he lost his Shinigami Powers he regain them as he opened up and trained a new side Powers called the fullbring which essentially allows him to empower and use the soul energy of the living world around him tell him becoming stronger than dangai Ichigo form form makes sense
the most powerful character? maybe not, but certainly the most powerful Zanpakuto spirit.
What if Ichigo gained some of that power and form when he fought Aizen. It's clear Ichigo in his Dongai form surpassed Aizen and was about to reach Deity level of power since Aizen couldn't sense Ichigo's power but the time Aizen figured out Ichigo is far stronger than him, it was too late.
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Quasi Transcend being = Pupa Aizen, serious non awakened yuha, Ichibe
1st class Transcend being = Awakened Aizen, Bankai Yamamoto(peak), Awakened yuha
2nd class Transcend being = butterfly Aizen, fully absorb soulking yuha
3rd class Transcend being = hollow butterfly aizen, tensa zanggetsu ichigo
4th class Transcend being = 6th anni Aizen and soulking...probably
5th class Transcend being = Mugetsu Ichigo
An asauch have the function to help an shinigame to manifest his powers, but because ichigo don't have one initially, his powers are not sincronized, this is what cause him losting control using hollow powers (based in stinct, emotions and desires), a shinigame, a hollow or an quincy don't need a tutor to learn how they powers work, but it not only will take time it is dangerous too because sometimes the power have nasty drawback efects.
This form is elite i'm a bit upset of not seing it because i really liked it
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I personally feel like he should have had a third manifestation to represent his fullbring powers or have old man Zangetsu be a combination of his Quincy and fullbring Powers the same way Hollow Ichigo is his Shinigami and Hollow powers combined
But his Fullbring Powers come from his Hollow. That's why after evolving the is able to use some of his Shinigami techniques.
tensaGangetsu like swimming also 😂😂
Curious what Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu would look like now that Old Man kinda turned to dust
Mr Dbzimran, since you are clearly obsessed with Bleach. have you ever considered writing fanfics? Have you ever thought about what would've happened if one character did this?
I am doing some what ifs on the channel. Check out my video on what if Aizen Joined Yhwach. More on the way soon!
I dont think i have to say this but I would’ve liked a horn of salvation Ichigo with the color scheme of hollowfied Tena’s zangetsu the color scheme is great
I like to think that when Ichigo fuses his swords, the two spirits also fuse.
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I’m lucky to have most of White & Zangetsu characters in Bleach: Brave Souls 😢 they are very strong and fun to use
i found it interesting that the full hollow vasto lordes form of Ichigo is his true Bankai form, or a part of it
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Despite that, I still think Ichibei would easily curbstomp Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu. He is just irreversibly busted like that.
Anywho, it's funny that the even younger Yhwach also kinda looks like Byakuya Kuchiki. 😏😏😏
Fair he's existed before shinigami so that alone is a advantage even before his history revealed.
I always like to think that Hollowfied tensa zangetsu is the spirt form of ichigos true bankai as it’s a combination of all of ichigos powers (Besides his fullbringer powers)
When ichigo detra stormed vast loaded hollofication filled up his hole maybe that's why zangetsu was in ichigos chest
I just imagine yhwach fighting ichigo and seeing tensa zangetsu in him. It brings me back to the nightmare yhwach had of ichigo killing him.
some people said that the bleach tybw anime wasn't canon🤦♂
💀 how? If anything the manga is non canon while the anime is because it'll be more fleshed out
@@Marukanitel the manga and anime of tybw arc ARE BOTH CANON
Didn't kubo go on record saying that the anime is going to be the superior, more complete version of the story ?
@@chrispambo1539 exactly bro, but there's still some people saying, "no there are cut scenes in the tybw anime so it's not canon" and when you say them that kubo is involved in every step, they don't know how to react and say obvious things like "HE DiDn't WrITe The StORybOARD" like tell me a mangaka who draws storyboard for the anime adaptation of his manga ? Like for real, these people are just here to upset some dudes who just wanna chill in front of their favorite animes without seeing any stupid comments in the comment section : (
I think of it as the anime has things left out while the manga still has certain things worth checking out if the manga hasn’t been read
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We do get a little more of Tensa Zangetsu in the anime, but not much
Hey I’ve been confused with trying to answer this question, so I ask if anyone out there can answer, what did hollow ichigo mean when he said “I have no name” in response to byakuya kuchiki’s question during the soul society arc?
At that point in the story Old Man Zangetsu stole his name. One can say he was salty about that. Imagine being a Zanpakuto Spirit waiting for your master to get powerful to contact you and get stronger together then comes this quincy fragment and steals your name, presents himself as the real Zanpakuto making you look like the bad guy and taking credit for the progress of your Master. He even missed the bankai training. Zangetsu was nothing and that was what Ichigo thought of him. That's why he said he had no name.
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I feel like hollowfied tensa zangetsu should’ve been how ichigos true Bankai looked that was the best form in the whole series in my opinion
See Ichigo never understood that white is part of the whole zangetsu until this time. And that old man was part of his quince and white was hollow. Both fused by his shinigami style. And unlike the vizords ichigos inner hollow isn't a separate hollow it's part of his whole. Not a separate power just his rash and bold nature. And old man was the calm nd collected nature. And the inner hollow always took over to protect Ichigo when he was loosing or dying
Considering all that happened in the fight between Ichigo and Hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu, Ichigos rebuild of zanpaktou(s) and his regaining shinigami powers in the TYBWA and the confrontation with Bach, makes it look like it was all pissing in the wind, and so underused. But that's just one of the million things wrong with TYBWA, I guess.
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Man kubo has great ideas but his execution and growing upon that leaves something to be desired
So I have a theory
Dangi inchigo was ichigo full powered as a shinigami the way his hand merged with his zanpakuto which is why he could use final getsuga tensho in this form. While in final getsuga form his hair is the same as his full hollow form
Full hollow form ichigo was full hollow powers only notice he didn't use any shinigami techniques in the form like flash step or getsuga tensho and also his hair is the same length as final getuga form just different color.
Power wise I believe both forms are equal in power. Full power shinigami levels a mountain by swinging his sword. Full powered hollow fissures the ground by swinging his sword.
By the end of TYBW we have a new bankai form from ichigo which is full power shinigami + full power hollow with quincy powers unlocked. Tensa zangetsu is full powered shinigami + full power hollow + full power quincy...
In conclusion ichigo can run a gauntlet against the captains in his current form. But when he fully understands his quincy powers he could fight them all at the same time
Not to mention he has full bring which i believe will help him infinitly spam final getsuga tensho with anything because of the hollow within him execpt it would be called "final" it would be like "supreme"
We need a new ark 🤷🏾♂️ theres so many possiblites
I strongly believe it’s going to be questions that’ll never get answered there has been conspiracy left and right about it and theories of others bleach was left off with so many questions and not enough answers to them.
If only mugetsu n dangai got more screen time
I think we all know the reason why they never showed his true shikai and bankai spirits,THE IMMEASURABLE DRIP THEY POSSESS WOULD ABSOLUTELY CURB STOMP YWACH AND END THE SERIES AT THEIR MERE PRESENCE!!!
I'd like to see Ichigo using heilig pfeil
"The blade is me" everything we see in hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu is literally Ichigo's full power unleashed. So it seems to me hollowfied Tensa Zangetsu isn't stronger than Ichigo... they're the same being... all 3 of them are Ichigo
Well, I just want to say that just ichigo's soul reaper and hollow powers became 1, but what about his quincy powers? I dont have a proper theory but what I think its gonna happend is that he in a future will have to adapt his quincy powers to that "tensa zangetsu" crazy form
Ngl white is lowkey better as a character to ichigo, he only wanted him to be stronger and protect along with help him, while old zangetsu wanted to hold his power back to keep him safe, and honestly justice for white he was hated by ichigo hella just for being a hollow
If old man zangetsu is his Quincy powers manifested why did he manifest during ichigo’s bankai training?
Because he was the centre of his powers while compressing ichigo's "real powers"
@@ikuzo5847 thanks for the reply. That makes sense!
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Dangai Ichigo still my favorite. And I still believe ichigo Bankai still haven't reach the level of Dangai even after gaining his powers back. No where near
tensa Zangetus kinda looks like ichigos mom too
this was his actual bankai i believe and it changed once it got reforged
we were told once a bankai breaks itll never be the same
Ban-kai Tensa Zangetsu
There is no "May be", nah he's only weaker than SK Ywach and MAYBE Aizen (If you exclude prime Soul King). Aizen in TYBW says to Shikai Ichigo "Ah you've regained the power you used to defeat me" where Ichigo was the only one who could sense Aizen and eventually became a dimensional tier above him with Mugetsu; even SK Ywach was afraid of Ichigo's bankai.
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If anything, this explains why Juha Bach sliced Ichigo's new bankai from the future. Bro did not want the smoke