Yes and no -- some of that pond dirt was very wet and heavy and such a feature would be great in keeping the loads within legal limits. BUT - the bid was for removing "X" number of Yards, not tonnage.
Agreed Jay - I logged nearly a million miles as an oilfield and OTR driver, and most of the time, it was a total crapshoot as to what my GVW was at any given time. As for Chris loading those dump trucks ... he has to load them light, mainly because he has no idea what their empty weight is
Ian, the drivers may know, but Chris probably doesn't - unless he loads the same trucks all the time, and unless his machine is equipped with that tool ... he too is guessing about how much he is actually loading. When driving tankers in the oil patch ... we rarely went across any scales. When driving OTR, unless I paid to be weighed at a commercial scale, I had no idea what I weighed, especially since I never hauled the same trailer twice! The state scales would just give a green light to go, or a red light if you were overweight - then they would Tell you exactly how much over you were.
I install these types of systems here in NZ. The system we do is called a LOADEX100, developed by RDS Systems out of the UK. Volvo is new to this game and has a few kinks to iron out, but I'm sure they'll get there. RDS has been around for a long time. Excavator weigh scales are based off Front End Loader scales (which have been around for a long time) and unfortunately can't guarantee the same accuracy, loader scales can be calibrated to less than 1%, whereas excavator scales can be around 1% but realistically will have a margin of +/- 5%. Consistentcy is the problem. Weights are estimated using data from a bunch of different sensors. There's a bucket sensor, boom angle sensor, 2 pressure sensors (feed and return), temperature sensor and a slew (gyro) sensor. It absolutely matters where the bucket is. Both in how far in or out it is and how open/crowded it is. It also matters how fast or slow you are lifting. The weight will read heavier the further out and lighter the further in, there's a sweet spot of operating parameters that we limit the operator to so that weights are consistent. When calibrating the machine, there's a fairly long process of lifting full (a known weight) and empty buckets at many different boom positions so that the scale system "learns" where to make compensations. Excavator scales systems are tricky to get right and they need to be used correctly. It's definitely not a "dig and dump" piece of technology.
Yes. This system would be convenient for an operator, giving him a close guideline of when to stop before overloading, but for legal purposes (such as selling whatever material by weight), you'd still need to drive the truck over a (periodically certified) scale.
the fact is... if you drop material after the weighing process (as it happened on the second bucket in the video) you are for sure off... but it is only a guiding system on the weight... the real check has to be done on a scale... that is certified... ;-)
Reminds me of some of the early 90's kumatso excavators. Had built in grade systems all run on magnetic position sensors. You were good digging a celler hole until every time you moved the machine you would have to reset grade with were u let off. But pretty sophisticated for. 1994. Model we once had
Place I used to buy landscape stone had that on their loader bucket because they sold materials by the weight not yard. They could do by the scoop as they filled instead to having to hit a scale with your truck or trailer.
Clever system , but the truck should have the load cell so the driver knows the actual load, then it could transmit to the excavator drivers cell phone by text, blue tooth or whatever, then You could use any piece of equipment to load. Any river in flood near you Chris? Cheers Warren
Can that thing calculate negative tons like if you were packing something down with the bucket and wanna see how many tons per square bucket your pushing?
It probably could be configured that way they work by measuring the hydraulic pressure on the cylinder and knowing the position of the boom and stick so a few more sensors and yea
they should design a tail gate that rotates and slides up under the bed so things like stumps and big rocks or clay could get stuck in the tailgate potentially rolling the truck over
Originally our 05602 (VT) weather forecast suggested we would be hit by the Florence remains this Tuesday. It is now moving that to Thursday. NC is supposed to be dealing with flooding for WEEKS !!! Bands of heavy rain seem to be close to your area west of Raleigh. Have you checked out the lake yet ?
Must be sophisticated software to figure bucket weight because of the distance the bucket is from the machine. Uses hydraulic pressure plus somehow calculates the distance from machine when it takes it's bucket weight. Very interesting, if you can trust it.
I install these types of systems here in NZ. The system we do is called a LOADEX100, developed by RDS Systems out of the UK. Volvo is new to this game and has a few kinks to iron out, but I'm sure they'll get there. RDS has been around for a long time. Excavator weigh scales are based off Front End Loader scales (which have been around for a long time) and unfortunately can't guarantee the same accuracy, loader scales can be calibrated to less than 1%, whereas excavator scales can be around 1% but realistically will have a margin of +/- 5%. Consistentcy is the problem. Weights are estimated using data from a bunch of different sensors. There's a bucket sensor, boom angle sensor, 2 pressure sensors (feed and return), temperature sensor and a slew (gyro) sensor. It absolutely matters where the bucket is. Both in how far in or out it is and how open/crowded it is. It also matters how fast or slow you are lifting. The weight will read heavier the further out and lighter the further in, there's a sweet spot of operating parameters that we limit the operator to so that weights are consistent. When calibrating the machine, there's a fairly long process of lifting full (a known weight) and empty buckets at many different boom positions so that the scale system "learns" where to make compensations. Excavator scales systems are tricky to get right and they need to be used correctly. It's definitely not a "dig and dump" piece of technology.
It looked like on the second scoop you lost some out of the bucket after the scale beeped... so I assume it went ahead and added 3.x ton to the tally even though you no longer had that much in the bucket.
Well here in the UK the fines for being overweight are severe so you best know your shit when loading different materials and of course the amount of moisture/stone contained within them. Current fixed penalties for exceeding axle weights. 5-10% = £100/$133 10-15%=£200/$266 15-30%=£300/$400 Over 30% = Court Summons Deep 💩
well... that is wet sticky material from what I see and the bucket might seem to be smaller than it is in reality... I can imagine that it is 5k pounds in there
It might be handy to have a camera on the arm (or whatever it's called) looking down on the bucket, and a display in the cab. Then you could see what's going on in the opposite side of the haul truck bed, so as not to leave any voids.
I'm not sure if that things weighing correctly. I've run a mini of 40 ton dump trucks that didn't seem like a full load to me. But I have been known to be wrong. Very seldom but I could be wrong. That stuff does look very wet.
You can order lunch on my hyundai excavators got full internet and phone number in the computer screen. I dont use it but its there if you want pizza delivery that way you can keep getting a bigger ass dont need to go no where !
Used to be awesome to watch when you were digging tearing down stuff taking out trees are talking about that now you’re explaining new equipment which some of us don’t want to hear we like to see your techniques and how you handle big jobs and getting stuck turn down the biggest trees of your life and so on still like your blogs but getting kind of boring
That'd be very handy on that pond sediment removal job where you have to watch how much you put in the trucks.
Yes and no -- some of that pond dirt was very wet and heavy and such a feature would be great in keeping the loads within legal limits. BUT - the bid was for removing "X" number of Yards, not tonnage.
Randy She, somewhat correct Randy but he has weight limits for crossroad trucks so accurate information is important.
Agreed Jay - I logged nearly a million miles as an oilfield and OTR driver, and most of the time, it was a total crapshoot as to what my GVW was at any given time. As for Chris loading those dump trucks ... he has to load them light, mainly because he has no idea what their empty weight is
@@1Ocqueoc pretty the truck drivers know their empty weight. The amount of. Times they go to a gravel pit in a week.
Ian, the drivers may know, but Chris probably doesn't - unless he loads the same trucks all the time, and unless his machine is equipped with that tool ... he too is guessing about how much he is actually loading. When driving tankers in the oil patch ... we rarely went across any scales. When driving OTR, unless I paid to be weighed at a commercial scale, I had no idea what I weighed, especially since I never hauled the same trailer twice! The state scales would just give a green light to go, or a red light if you were overweight - then they would Tell you exactly how much over you were.
I install these types of systems here in NZ. The system we do is called a LOADEX100, developed by RDS Systems out of the UK. Volvo is new to this game and has a few kinks to iron out, but I'm sure they'll get there. RDS has been around for a long time.
Excavator weigh scales are based off Front End Loader scales (which have been around for a long time) and unfortunately can't guarantee the same accuracy, loader scales can be calibrated to less than 1%, whereas excavator scales can be around 1% but realistically will have a margin of +/- 5%. Consistentcy is the problem.
Weights are estimated using data from a bunch of different sensors. There's a bucket sensor, boom angle sensor, 2 pressure sensors (feed and return), temperature sensor and a slew (gyro) sensor.
It absolutely matters where the bucket is. Both in how far in or out it is and how open/crowded it is. It also matters how fast or slow you are lifting. The weight will read heavier the further out and lighter the further in, there's a sweet spot of operating parameters that we limit the operator to so that weights are consistent.
When calibrating the machine, there's a fairly long process of lifting full (a known weight) and empty buckets at many different boom positions so that the scale system "learns" where to make compensations.
Excavator scales systems are tricky to get right and they need to be used correctly. It's definitely not a "dig and dump" piece of technology.
I'm looking at putting some on a komatsu 13 ton. What is the approximate cost of this system, fully installed? Hope this finds you, 5 years later.
That looks to be a handy add on! Especially on the on road trucks! Thanks for sharing
wow 30t looks small when dumped
it would be fun to weigh it afterwards to see if it's actually accurate..
Yes. This system would be convenient for an operator, giving him a close guideline of when to stop before overloading, but for legal purposes (such as selling whatever material by weight), you'd still need to drive the truck over a (periodically certified) scale.
the fact is... if you drop material after the weighing process (as it happened on the second bucket in the video) you are for sure off... but it is only a guiding system on the weight... the real check has to be done on a scale... that is certified... ;-)
Volvo has this for wheel loaders, and those are accurate they are used to measure gravel and so fourth for sale. They are calibrated every year.
@@stanpatterson5033 omg Stan, I see you EVERYWHERE
Really cool option I like the way those trucks are configured with the tailgate that opens when the bed dumps no release lever
Sure takes all the guess work out, jolly handy.
Great system I’m shore a couple of overloaded fines would pay for it .keeping a log of tons moved each day would be very interesting 👍👍
Talk to Position Partners in Australia, they do the RDS Loader and Excavator systems.
Thanks for the information
hahaha at 7:14 looks like one of his boxed toys in the background. :)
I see that being like a loadrite scale in the 966k we have at work. They’re neat.
Reminds me of some of the early 90's kumatso excavators. Had built in grade systems all run on magnetic position sensors. You were good digging a celler hole until every time you moved the machine you would have to reset grade with were u let off. But pretty sophisticated for. 1994. Model we once had
It was a pretty rare accessory but that one had it. And it was accurate enough for basement grade
This needs to go on the 290. Volvo should give you the setup for being such a good spokesperson lol.
Your Videos remind me of my 20+ yrs in the hauling end of the job. Work safe , work smart - not hard. lol
Good system if there’s no weighbridge around even loader weighed are not exact normally within half a tonne though
Nice useful tool
That would be handy on your 220 for the lake job.
Very cool.Imagine our Uncles with that technology. Cool.
Had any job offers yet? You are now in sales for Volvo.
The options out weigh the base price of the machine!! Lol nice feature for sure,ty for sharing
We had it on a Cat loader back in 2014.
Place I used to buy landscape stone had that on their loader bucket because they sold materials by the weight not yard. They could do by the scoop as they filled instead to having to hit a scale with your truck or trailer.
Very cool, Volvo is on top of there game! Thanks for sharing!
That weighing system is also in trucks .
Just a hell of a lot more complex on the excavator
Late comment and question, what would that be if that was gravel that you loaded that day?
Very Nice again Chris, very efficiënt tool for loading the right amount of material 👌👍
saves taking boots and socks off if we need to count beyond 10, I always forget counting out loud beyond 10
Julian ... If you hadn't noticed .. Chris usually has his boots off anyway LOL
Is the weight system setup to USA ton (2,000 lbs) or a metric ton (2,204.6 lbs)?
That is neat dad worked in a limestone quarry it had that system in it
Great video Chris thanks for sharing have a great day
Clever system , but the truck should have the load cell so the driver knows the actual load, then it could transmit to the excavator drivers cell phone by text, blue tooth or whatever, then You could use any piece of equipment to load.
Any river in flood near you Chris?
Cheers Warren
This would good at a scrap yard for loading trucks. Could to attach it to a magnet you think?
Hummm... 30 tons of dirt isn't as much as I would have thought it was.
Wouldn't that have been great on the lake sediment job ,I was loosing count of you loading the trucks just watching on UA-cam.
LOL! I just asked about this like 2 videos ago....
That is some sticky messy Carolina red clay!
where i can buy this game ? Excavator 2k19 ?
It would take forever with that bucket..., in the netherlands we use a 1000 liter bucket with chains, so nothing would stick inside the bucket
Can that thing calculate negative tons like if you were packing something down with the bucket and wanna see how many tons per square bucket your pushing?
It probably could be configured that way they work by measuring the hydraulic pressure on the cylinder and knowing the position of the boom and stick so a few more sensors and yea
they should design a tail gate that rotates and slides up under the bed so things like stumps and big rocks or clay could get stuck in the tailgate potentially rolling the truck over
chris Cat made one like that on the D250E. Evidently it didn’t work too well
Originally our 05602 (VT) weather forecast suggested we would be hit by the Florence remains this Tuesday. It is now moving that to Thursday. NC is supposed to be dealing with flooding for WEEKS !!! Bands of heavy rain seem to be close to your area west of Raleigh. Have you checked out the lake yet ?
it would have been nice to weigh the truck to see how close it is
So when do you get one for your machine? Thanks for the video.
Chris, what is the name of the video that had the snakes in the 310 frame? I also have a 310 and crawl around under it. Dean
Must be sophisticated software to figure bucket weight because of the distance the bucket is from the machine. Uses hydraulic pressure plus somehow calculates the distance from machine when it takes it's bucket weight. Very interesting, if you can trust it.
I think it uses the boom cylinders pressure to weigh it.
Yeah. I shouldn't matter how far away the bucket is if the sensor is placed on the bucket.
I install these types of systems here in NZ. The system we do is called a LOADEX100, developed by RDS Systems out of the UK. Volvo is new to this game and has a few kinks to iron out, but I'm sure they'll get there. RDS has been around for a long time.
Excavator weigh scales are based off Front End Loader scales (which have been around for a long time) and unfortunately can't guarantee the same accuracy, loader scales can be calibrated to less than 1%, whereas excavator scales can be around 1% but realistically will have a margin of +/- 5%. Consistentcy is the problem.
Weights are estimated using data from a bunch of different sensors. There's a bucket sensor, boom angle sensor, 2 pressure sensors (feed and return), temperature sensor and a slew (gyro) sensor.
It absolutely matters where the bucket is. Both in how far in or out it is and how open/crowded it is. It also matters how fast or slow you are lifting. The weight will read heavier the further out and lighter the further in, there's a sweet spot of operating parameters that we limit the operator to so that weights are consistent.
When calibrating the machine, there's a fairly long process of lifting full (a known weight) and empty buckets at many different boom positions so that the scale system "learns" where to make compensations.
Excavator scales systems are tricky to get right and they need to be used correctly. It's definitely not a "dig and dump" piece of technology.
I'd have to wait to see how it would work out long term.
Cool gadget
I need that on my 350, can it be installed on larger excavator?
Keep it up brother love it!
Does anyone know how the bucket calculates the weight so accurately ?
really 30t? looks small when dumped.
Like that option
It looked like on the second scoop you lost some out of the bucket after the scale beeped... so I assume it went ahead and added 3.x ton to the tally even though you no longer had that much in the bucket.
Yes he explained that quite clearly. The weight when it beeps is the weight that counts towards the total.
Neat system, Chris. Any idea how much this option costs?
Not sure about USA, maybe an aftermarket setup could be around $9,000-$10,000 USD.
You can get pretty good quality set up for excavator or loader around. $3,000
Who's that through Todd? Seems like a good deal.
Good to know
WOW, I really like that kind of a must-have tool and I bet you it does yards also.
Wow very cool information
Very cool.
Well here in the UK the fines for being overweight are severe so you best know your shit when loading different materials and of course the amount of moisture/stone contained within them.
Current fixed penalties for exceeding axle weights.
5-10% = £100/$133
10-15%=£200/$266
15-30%=£300/$400
Over 30% = Court Summons Deep 💩
it's hard to believe that bucket would hold 5,000 pounds,
that would be the same weight as 2 cars,
Well it scooped more than what the bucket holds.
MissouriOldTimer that’s also wet, muddy material
I could be wrong but I think it would be hard to get 5,000 pounds of melted led in that bucket,
well... that is wet sticky material from what I see and the bucket might seem to be smaller than it is in reality... I can imagine that it is 5k pounds in there
Will this be an option or something that's coming standard?
It would be an option, and it might just be something Volvo is trying right now.
pressure gauge on the air bag works to
Can that be retro fit to an existing machine?
Yep, check out www.rdstec.com/home/links/ for nearest suppliers
It might be handy to have a camera on the arm (or whatever it's called) looking down on the bucket, and a display in the cab. Then you could see what's going on in the opposite side of the haul truck bed, so as not to leave any voids.
Where can I get this system?
Can you do it with ice cream.
Usefull feature.
Nobody can say you don't aim high.
Let's see that on your new 250 with that big buck not that little spoon
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I'm not sure if that things weighing correctly. I've run a mini of 40 ton dump trucks that didn't seem like a full load to me. But I have been known to be wrong. Very seldom but I could be wrong. That stuff does look very wet.
Had something similar on a case front end loader. Wasn't quite as sophisticated though.
Would have been nice if they put an anti glare screen. Or a basic led display just to show how far along if the screens all glared out.
M Excavator and loder know very well
That would be useful, especially if we could validate the weight the truck had in its bed. Yep, I am a doubting Thomas.
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Pretty Fancy! Can you order delivery for lunch on it? If not...I would probably have to pass!
You can order lunch on my hyundai excavators got full internet and phone number in the computer screen. I dont use it but its there if you want pizza delivery that way you can keep getting a bigger ass dont need to go no where !
um i think the scale may have been a little off u think you were putting 5000 pounds or more in 1 scoop?
that looks like it would be nice to have …
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Used to be awesome to watch when you were digging tearing down stuff taking out trees are talking about that now you’re explaining new equipment which some of us don’t want to hear we like to see your techniques and how you handle big jobs and getting stuck turn down the biggest trees of your life and so on still like your blogs but getting kind of boring
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