4K in Canon M6 mark II is FAKE!
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- Опубліковано 16 бер 2022
- 4K in Canon M6 mark II is FAKE!
Did you know that the 4K in Canon M6 mark II is FAKE??? In this video i try and explain as I understand it why people claim that the 4K in Canon M6 Mark II is FAKE!
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Most of the canon clips looked better😭
I had a hard time discerning a difference in resolution, but I liked the color rendering better from the M6 Mk II.
The image came straight out of both cameras in the first comparison. You know what they say, there’s just something about those Canon colors 😊
@@RogerAVHansen I really appreciate your knowledge, and the approach you take in presenting information through your presentation videos. I purchased the M6 Mk II, to get into video, but have not yet worked with it much for that purpose. With apologies if you have already done this, but I missed it, have you considered doing some evaluations of gimbals for video work with mirrorless cameras such as the Cannon M6 Mk II?
I made a video about the Zhiyun Weebill S a while back, that gimbal worked great with the M6 mark II
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Don’t use gimbals that much anymore, so don’t have any other videos on gimbals…
I use two m6 mark2 with viltrox adapter and sigma 16mm f1.4 lenses with the set bundle a long with cine profile uploaded to it.. for weddings and to this day all the clients have been happy and I like the light set up since I have carpaltunal issues with my hands. Keep up the great work
That’s one of the great things about the M6 mark II, great image in a small form factor 😊 Thank your for watching! 😃
I'm loving your videos - so much more calm and clear than a lot of other ones.
Thank you 😃 Really appreciate hearing that 😊
I thought it was only me who felt shouted at by American reviewers 😂
A useful comparison, as I've been hearing about the "soft" 4k image on the M6 II for some time. Yet, your comparison clips suggest that the difference - if any - is quite trivial even against optimal setting on the Sony. For what it's worth, I recently shot a commercial on the Canon M 6 II. I was more than happy with the image quality, and the client was delighted.
The difference between the cameras is more about 8-bit vs 10-bit, 4:2:0 vs 4:2:2 and cropped vs full frame. The Sony A7IV has a downscaled 7K image while the Canon M6 mark II has an upscaled 3,5K, but still I think the 4K image out of the M6 mark II works just fine 😊
@@RogerAVHansen 8 vs 10 for sure makes diffrence, I also have m6 mk2 and a ninja to go with it, and I would say the biggest problem the m6 has is bitrate for internal recording, 10 bit 422 output to the ninja looks great, but I would say the higher bit rates are the bigger diffrence :), I am not a professional at all, just a hobby nerd, but I get awsome video with this combo, and sharpness sometimes owerrated, I often throw on a pro-mist filter to soften it up a bit, and make dreamy feel specially with my sigma lens, thanks for the video :) made me feel a bit better (only problem with 10 bit hdmi output on m6 is, you only get 25 and 30 frames.. no 24 :( )
@@nixxinn they really hit us with the cripple hammer with no 24 with clean hdmi out.
The Canon colors were better imo. The more videos I watch of the M6 the more in love I am with it. It's a must have for me now!
Good job explaining👍 How do you like the a7iv?
Great camera 😊 Complements my A7SIII really nice 😊 Got the A7IV mostly for photography, but tend to grab it for video over the A7SIII more and more 😄 Maybe I’ll sell my A7SIII.. there’s a lens I really want but can’t afford right now 😄
Nice job. Great explanation. Sony a7iv is approx 4x the price of the Canon.... in my eyes, video quality is not 4x better...
The difference between the two cameras is more about 8-bit vs 10-bit and 4:2:0 vs 4:2:2. And of course cropped vs full frame 😊 But the M6 mark II produce a great 4K image in my opinion 😊
It goes for lot of things I guess. Imagine a Leica that maybe 10 times expensive than the A7 IV doesn't mean its 10 Times better in quality. Good point though ! In fact your comment made me happy as I am also using my small M6 Mark II to capture 👍
Flawless explanation. Can we say it is "almost 4K"?
The 4K is really great even if it’s “almost” 4K ☺️
Thank you so much. This video is very helpful
Glad you liked it 😊
Beside the slight differences in quality, the colors from the Canon were more pleasing.
No, absolutely no. More than than it makes it warmer when it's not. The footage with child was poor (comparing with a7iv) other +- identical
I still thing the cheaper, older Canon looked great! It is very hard to tell the difference without cropping/zooming on the image. However, I do wish Canon would have marketed the camera as 3.5K and just maximized the quality of that resolution; no line skipping or filling in fake data.
The quality of the Canon camera holds up even if it’s not a “true” 4K 😊 Canon could have specified what was really going on, but I also understand their strategy of not doing so 😊
You can easily tell the difference at 5:34. The ducks and the foliage near them are less sharp and detailed on the M6 Mark II.
hi, what color profile and what profile settings did you use for canon in these videos?
I used the standard picture profile. Shot the clips in 25fps, shutter 1/50, ISO 100, and I used a VND on the lens. The lens was the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 😊
@@RogerAVHansen Tell me, did you change the settings in the standard profile? contrast? sharpness, etc.?
You know, I made a change in the standard profile a long time back that I didn’t think about before filming this. In the default standard profile sharpness is set to 4. I changed it to 2.. that’s the only change I made 😊
@@RogerAVHansen okey , thank you ,and so you basically shoot in a neutral profile?
I watched it on a 55inch OLED TV. There may be a difference in the image, but even on such a screen I see a difference only in colors. I think that the canon m6 is still not bad, especially considering the price. I bought a new m6 m2 in Portugal for 620 euros. I know that Canon r10 is now, but it costs at least 400 euros more. Thanks for the comparison👍
The Canon M6 mark II hold up really nicely ☺️ For the price nowadays it’s really good bang for the buck ☺️
Yes, I knew about it. The advantage of line skipping is quite good rolling shutter control in M6 II. However if Canon introduced 20mp sensor (instead of 33mp) with oversampled 4k, and and put it into M50 II body, that would be a very good camera. I watched your movie on a FHD screen so the films look quite similar, however I think Sony still had more details in the background (bushes, etc.). Who would like to have a 20mp sensor with real 4k in M50 II body? I would!
I think everyone would like to have uncropped 4K in an M50 body, but I don’t think we’ll see any more EF-M cameras from Canon. I believe the future for APS-C Canon cameras has RF mount’s.
@@RogerAVHansen Or no apsc cameras anymore!? Nikon made 2 cameras and forgot to make lenses for them. Sony apsc is kind of dead. Canon is uncertain.
I think there’s still a market for APS-C cameras, so it’s unfortunate if the camera manufacturers discontinues the cropped cameras.
is the 4k in the m62 sharper than the 1080 in m50?
Yes 😊 I think it is 😊
Thank you 😊 this video is useful
Glad you liked it 😊
Thank you
Thanks, I like the way the canon looks showing this on an OLED 4K TV
Yeah, the M6 mark II holds up really nice 😊
Hey Roger ? You there ? Or there you are .... 😊 Small Question . What do you think about the FullHD Quality Of the M6 Mark II. ? Is it also on Par or worse than the competitors? I mean as a stock videographer is it better to give the customers a Real 1080P clip from the M6II rather than a fake 4K ?
The 4K in the M6 mark II is only “fake”, in that regards that it lacks some pixels to be a “real” 4K image, but the 4K is much higher quality, sharper and better than the 1080p 😊 So I would definitely film in 4K rather then 1080p ☺️
@@RogerAVHansen Thank you very much friend. Will this be True for macro close footage too? As now when I Capture in 4k with this I tends to think " some pixels are missing, some pixel lines are missing 😆, better go fullHD with all the pixel lines" like that 😂
@@850Tech If you have the choice of 4K I would use it over 1080p ☺️
Oh my god, I only just noticed this today!! I was editing and trying to make the image look as good as possible, so I applied a sharpening filter. I noticed it made weird blocky artifacts around certain parts... I'm almost certain this is the garbage data Canon is using to get the "4K" resolution. The video looks great from a distance, and even on a 4K laptop screen, I could only tell the difference if I got right up close to it. But it makes it unfortunately hard to use for more advanced video work (additionally because of a lack of LOG profiles and poor highlight performance.
No matter how much I love the M6 mark II, the fact is that it is a consumer camera. If we want professional features and quality we need to upgrade and pay for it. But that said, the quality out of the M6 mark II is much better than you would think a small and cheaper camera like this could provide 😊
Nice video and comparison.
Thank you ☺️
very good performance with mark 2 compared to its price, chanceless, just numbers make it fake 4k, its slightly cropped 4k, dont worry it has competitive pricing
It’s good 4K no matter what 😊
I may be incorrect but if I'm not mistaken the sony cameras are using oversampled 4k scaled down from 6k right? If that's the case then this "upscaled" 4k from the line skipped canon M6 mkii is pretty good.
It’s downsampled from 7K in the Sony camera, so yes, the M6 mark II hold up pretty good in my opinion 😊
M6 Performed WELL😊
Agreed 👍🏻
If you want to test how the image holds up, go outside and stop down where there is a lot of trees and foliage. It will fall apart quickly. Shallow DOF is a good way to hide that.
That's the reason I don't like M6 series, I got (EOS M - Mark 1) there are no videos on mark 1 , I want to get ride of M61 please show me some solution. I mean I want to sell it.
Maybe e-Bay?
Videos like this is why I hate shopping for cameras. I just spent the last 10 minutes listening to why the canon m6 4 k isn't really 4k then he starts busting out equations. I'm down the rabbit hole clearly.
If you’re considering buying a camera and you have been looking in to the M6 mark II, as much as I like the M6 mark II, today I would recommend you buy the R10 or the R7 instead of it’s within your budget.
I watch these videos for entertainment, then when I do go out and shop, I am armed with knowledge.
Isn't this then also an issue for the Canon R8 with it's 4K?
According what I found online, the R8 captures 6K without lineskipping and then downsamples to 4K.
M6 II 4K is Hardcore Real 4K
they were close that the canon felt sharper because of more contrast and less background blur.
The difference in background blur is because of different lenses and that one camera has a cropped sensor and the other has a full frame sensor. I tried to do the math so they would match up as close as they could, both on focal length and on aperture 😊
@@RogerAVHansen nice vid comparing the cameras. What lens were you using on the m6 mkii, please? Also is there any benefit to colour grading the m6 footage if a neutral picture style is used? or is it waste of time and I am better off selecting a picture style that achives the look I want?
@@dct1 i was using the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 on the M6 mark II. As long as you expose correctly, there is no need to color grade the footage from the M6 mark II. There is no native log profile in the camera. It’s 8-bit 4:2:0, so the color grading is very limited, although you can install the cinestyle picture profile that is a little more flat. But, like I said, if you expose for the subject in focus and you have a picture profile that give you the look you want, I don’t see why you need to color grade 😊
@@RogerAVHansen as always thank you for your advice and replying 🙂👍🏻
@@dct1 Thank you for watching and commenting ☺️
I don't know how to explain it, but the footage from the M6 Mark II feels physically smaller😂
Both great cameras. Absolutely. But Canon M6 II is affordable and an incredible opportunity depending on economic resources, which not all, nor most, have.Thanks for your great video.
Sooooo... Did 20mp or 24mp in other mirrorless camera more fake than M6 mark ii? I guess so 🤭
It’s not directly related to the amount of MP, more to how the process inside the camera is performed to achieve the 4K.
Does this apply to any other cameras?
Interestingly, this could mean the M50 and M200, which have cropped 4K from their 6000 wide pixel resolution, means they are not using line skipping, so their 4K is true.
Sorry but Canon's colors looking better :) I know maybe not be as sharp as Sony or perhaps u can make that colors with some corrections in Sony also, but Canon doing that color thing better always...
Something about those canon colors 😊👌🏻
After UA-cam compression and when viewed on a mobile screen I don't think I can see any difference in image sharpness. Though that also depends on the lens.
I've a Canon M200 and when paired with right lens it produces magnificent videos. Here is an example ua-cam.com/video/6889N7dAhMs/v-deo.html
I'd subbed when you were around 700subs, you've come a long way and every video is so informative and well explained. I watched your M50 videos to take notes for my M200.
I used the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 on the Canon camera and Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 on the Sony camera. Both top of the line lenses, just made for different kind of cameras and sensor sizes. Did the math on focal length and aperture the best I could to make the comparison the best I could.
Really appreciate you being here since 700 subs 😊🙏🏻 And thank you for the positive feedback 😊
Hey Roger, if what you say is real . Did you contact / make a formal complaint to canon ? Making statements and reviews on UA-cam doesn’t make your claim right.
You’re are right, it certainly doesn’t, I can make mistakes like everyone else 😊 But I do my research before making videos like this, just so that my claims are as correct as possible, and in this particular matter all material I could find led to this explanation.
The point of the video was to show that the 4K image out of the M6 mark II really holds up against higher end cameras 😊
And no, have not made a formal complaint to Canon cause the 4K image doesn’t bother me 😊
@@RogerAVHansen huh? So why the heck would you say it’s “NOT “ real 4k”? If you are not sure about your claim why make this video ?
@@quevedz7619 I’m as sure as I can be. Canon has not put out any information on how this camera produces its 4K image, so there is no official information from the manufacturer. But every other peace of information I could find led to the information in this video. But hey, if you don’t want to believe me that’s totally up to you 😊 Maybe you can make a video contradicting my claims on your UA-cam channel 😊
@@RogerAVHansen does the box say “4k”? Coz if it does say 4k and according to you its “not 4k”. Then we can use you as our proof to file a formal complaint to canon?
@@RogerAVHansen I’m not “contradicting “ your channel. I’m confused about the 4k feature on the M6 mark ii after watching your video. All claims are based of facts and not what ifs.
the framing and color temperatures are so far off to give any meaningful conclusions
And what about FullHD - is that "fake"?
Depends on how it's acquired, which I don't know. If the 6960 pixels are line skipped every 3 lines, then you get 2320 pixels which you can downsample to 1920 and get real FHD. If it's skipped every 4 lines, then you only have 1740 pixels, so then it would be fake.
nearly every(!) Photo-Sensor has to be cropped to get a 16:9 Aspect. no argument. The rest, ahh, is kind of bedtime-horror-Stories for *DontKnow*.. Do you know, the Arri Alexa Mini, used for Productions like Joker, Jumanji, Knives Out isnt able to record real UHD/4K as well? As long as you re no scientist/pixelpeeper you ll have no problems with this *drawback*
I’m sorry but the canon video looked better in every single scene including the ones in 10 bit with the luts
Don’t be sorry, the point of the video was to show that the M6 mark II holds up against a higher camera. At least for UA-cam videos 😊
@@RogerAVHansen I appreciate it. I love your channel. I just purchased the M6 MarkII and this really made me feel better about the choice while I wait for it. I use my D850 for stills I was primarily concerned about video. Although I do love the face/eye tracking and high frame rate. The D850 only shoots 7 fps without the battery grip.
Canon is a bit soft yet colours are better.
Something about those Canon colors 😉
the canon is actually dope from what Im seeing, yes the Sony is great of cause
The Canon M6 mark II holds up just fine still after being released in 2019 😊
There have been a lot of claims made about the M6 II (which mostly all stem from one original source). There are some giant leaps taken here, none of which are proven. The quote from Canon ‘through image processing’ has been taken completely out of context (again from that one source with an axe to grind and absolutely zero evidence). 4K on just about ANY hybrid photo / video camera is achieved ‘through image processing’. The Sony A7 IV that you claim as ‘true 4K’ has almost identical sensor resolution to the M6 II. It achieves its 4K image ‘through image processing’. Period. So the claim then becomes whether the M6 II line skips or downsamples. Almost no 4K is constructed from 1:1 pixels AND even when it is, it’s actually less detailed than downsampled 4K. There is no real evidence around that the M6 II does indeed line skip, as there are other methods such as pixel binning that can be used. But it may well be the case, we just can’t empirically state that’s the case and the 4K on the M6 II is any more ‘fake’ than any other hybrid camera. What we do know is that while there might be a bit less detail in the M6 vs the A7 IV, it also exhibits less rolling shutter. For many people that rolling shutter performance is more important than super sharp 4K.
The fact that there is lesser rolling shutter on the M6 mark II is one thing that indicate that the camera uses line skipping to produce its 4K image, cause one of the advantages of line skipping is better rolling shutter. And you are right, every resolution in a camera is produced through “image processing”, the difference between the A7IV and the M6 mark II is their processors. Even if the sensor resolution is almost identical on the two cameras, the A7IV has a much better processor that can handle an oversampled 7K image without overheating in regular frame rates, but the processor in the M6 mark II can not. That’s why the M6 mark II uses line skipping to produce an upscaled 4K image. And even with an upscaled 4K image the M6 mark II overheats after a little more than one hour continuous recording in 4K. All my research before making this video claims that the M6 mark II uses line skipping. No other processing methods where ever mentioned. If you have any literature that says otherwise I would really like to read it 😊
@@RogerAVHansen and what are those sources though? There’s very little to no real information about the way this camera processes images. Sony may have a more powerful processor in the A7 IV but broadly speaking the A7C, A7 III etc don’t. Its not about the capacity of the processor but as you mention likely to be the thermal capacity of the camera design. It is indeed a very small camera. This processor and sensor was also used in the 90D which had a secondary mode for reading 4K images out and that produces higher quality images again. Line skipping doesn’t HAVE to be every second line and doesn’t HAVE to be every second vertical column. Indeed a lot of line skipping is done in different increments or not done at all in the vertical. Skipping only horizontal lines. Pixel binning can be done on sensor, adjusting the readout and therefore the speed. Sony have numerous read out modes for any given sensor. Canon the same. Other than people completely guessing, there is no data on how Canon read this sensor out. The half and half line skipping is a total guess, again done elsewhere but then repeated (and in this case, like all others) as ‘fact’. I’ve not seen a video (or otherwise review etc) that claims that the softer, non oversampled ‘4K’ of cameras like the A7R IV are ‘fake’. They may be softer or not as detailed as heavily oversampled 4K, but so is ‘true 4K’ (off a native 4K sensor. Like I say, this all stemmed from an angry blogger with an axe to grind and then simply repeated (which seems to be how we get most of our ‘facts’ these days).
@@RogerAVHansen also line skipping is not the only way to get a fast readout. The R5 manages to have a pretty fast sensor readout. So does the Panasonic GH6 and Fujifilm X-T3/4.
@@mattdebyl8806 I agree with you in this. Besides - lines and rows skipping is not that simple in the case of a digital camera - as these cameras use Bayer matrix sensors. The relation between the end result images resolution and the structure of the sensor is not that trivial to "just" skip some lines and rows, because these are in fact not that easily defined on a Bayer sensor matrix.
The camera might use a computationally more efficient algorithm to downsample the video, which in turn results in softer video, but I am quite sure that the whole sensor is read when shooting every frame.
@@artem.boldariev thank you! I notice that I never got a response to this. Fact is, there are no facts about the way the image is derived in this camera that is available in the public space. A particular blogger made a claim and it has been taken as the infallible truth since. The very definition of fake news.
Clients or UA-cam doesn't care about "Fake" or "Not a Fake". If you can thinking and your skills are enough good - you easily can beat more professional devices in quality.
It's really more about skills, not about camera =) Finally - Canon M6 Mk2 is pretty good for it price =))
Thanks for video =)
Good camera and good 4K 😊
Fake is always Fake. Period
@@steadicamwalker Camera is camera, duck is duck...
I dont know why but it looks so much better on the M6 mark ii.
Never liked Sony anyway.
Ikr hahahaha
I film using the M6 mk2 and UA-cam says it’s 4K when I upload 😎👍🏻
Well, I could film in 1080p, output it in 4K and UA-cam would say it’s 4K 😄 Did that with my old Canon EOS R all the time 😄
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