The most underrated feature of the Venture that puts it above all other fixed blades at the moment IMHO is the curved belly that spans across the whole edge. I have long been waiting for a knife like Fällkniven H1 or PHK that would have a thinner blade. The belly and the significantly dropped point of the blade is exactly what I have been longing for and I was considering a custom knife, because such a knife was not available AFAIK. Most of the knives these days (especially scandi gound) seem to have a long flat part and then steeply curving part near the tip. I don't find that useful at all. The narrowish blade, long belly and drop point are exactly what I want from a knife that I use for skinning large game, processing small game and fish and chopping veggies. Benchmade makes blades with long belly, but they all have either an unnecessary broad blade that makes them clumsy or a sharp tip (extreme case: Meatcrafter). Victorinox hit the nail on the head with this one.
Picked up that Garberg a couple months ago and have loved it. Really sharp out of the box, really useful for a variety of yard duties, and a nice small and thin sheath. Just ordered that extra kit with sharpener, had no idea that existed! Glad to see the Venture is so great too.
I purchased the Venture basic after your review as my new camping knife and i am very happy with its performance got it for a bargain 115$. Great video Thank you
I own both and don't really like either 😳! The Garberg just doesn't feel comfortable or well balanced, so I don't use it. That is very subjective! The venture (pro with kit) works great for all camp (kitchen) tasks, but I don't like to use it for heavier wood processing tasks. The toolkit is need for building stuff, but I honestly don't do enough of that to justify schlepping it around. I prefer bringing a short (7-9cm) blade and a little hatchet. Fits my needs better!
Have you heard of UG (Utsch & Gierse) Tools knives? Especially the "TiNy" Model? It's a bout the same blade length as the Garberg and Venture,but has a 3D-printed titanium handle and weighs only 80g (~2.8 ounces). Magnacut blade too.
For those that care about knives I would not say these are competators. These two would be complimentary to each other. The Victorinox kept in a pack for camp tasks and the garberg on your hip for quick access.
Sorry you're under the weather. I've got the Garberg that I quite like, and if the Victorinox price eventually drops to something not crazy, I'll get one to check out...
I’m not one to comment, but just have to say after watching for some years now - Love your vids mate! Keep up the great work! Hope you feel better soon Lord Palpatine! 😂🍻
Those sure are knives that will cut. Check the Peltonen m07 out. Don'nt have a venture yet, but I like ithe Peltonen more than my Garberg (which I like more than I thought I would) The Garberg is a bad allrounder though. Not the case with the peltonen which will do food prep and buchcrafting equally well imo. yes more knives pete
Feel better soon Pete! For Pete's sake 😬 That was quite a comparison and Knife Grinds for Dummies. Doing such good work, even when ill, that's... cutting edge. 😅
I love my Victorinox collection of SAKs and Swiss Tool but the fixed blade offerings leave my cold. The first model was a somewhat over priced Muela. This new model looks for all the world as if its come from the same OEM manufacturer who makes catering and game processing knives for Spyderco. Not a bad thing perhaps but I am still going to choose the Mora.
Although we all know felix immler is THE GOD OF BUSHCRAFT and also the sak .. I've got to go with my garberg carbon multi mount. Also, if you don't feel up side down in Australia, THERE'S A BIG REASON .
They're both wildly overpriced, if you ask me (and I know you didn't!) I've been particularly disappointed in the edge-holding ability of the Victorinox knives. I love the lower priced Mora knives, but can't see why the full tang costs so much more.
This specific Victorinox is in 14C28N, as opposed to the usual 4116, but I do agree there are cheaper options. I’d be a lot more upset if the Venture was 4116, because I think for the cost of a SAK 4116 is fine.
@@Dan12345 Sure, it's an upgrade over the (very) basic 4116, but certainly no super steel at that hefty price point. I guess both of these are produced in high-cost countries, so you're not necessarily expecting to get any bargains out of Switzerland, but that's one thing that's always been such a pleasant surprise about the basic Mora knives. They're cheap, even though they come from Sweden, and they're quite good. Even the Chinese can't make a Mora-style, similar quality knife for less. I guess I should reserve judgement until I've tried these knives myself, but I just doubt I'll ever pay those prices for either.
@@miketranfaglia3986 true it’s no super steel. Can you find a better steel in a knife that size for the same price, outside of China? I haven’t been able to. Personally I’m happy with 14C28N and 4116 (in Swiss Army knives). I think if you want edge retention you might be looking at the wrong company. Try Spyderco or Benchmade or even the Buck Pro or Heritage series. I’ve got my Spyderco Enuff 2 in K390, which I’ve used for batoning when backpacking and holds an edge well.
10:00 to be fair Pete, we're here watching a video comparing knives, we are already dorks. I'm a fedora and a poor man's katana away from relegating myself to whatever the Florida version of my mom's basement.
If you want to split wood, the garberg is ok. Personally if I could part with my $180+ I would go for Victorinox, which is more versatile but it is overpriced am afraid.
I only see one thing really wrong with the Venture : Why is it full tang? Full tang = strong knife. However a full flat grind that makes the edge very thin = week knife. So if you buy the Venture, you'll be paying for a full tang knife, that IS NOT a full tang knife in practical use.
its a cutting technique, surprisingly strong cuts and you dont get tired you place the thing you want to cut and the knife on your chest edge away, and cut not with your hands, but pulling your elbows back. Search on youtube, its kind of hard to explain.
There is no such thing, as a Scandi with a microbevel. A Scandi grind only has one single bevel, by definition. If it has a secondary bevel, then it isn't a Scandi grind. It's a sabre grind.
The Garberg has actually went down in price. It's about $69 To $80 on Amazon in the US. I prefer the Carbon and avoid the leather sheath , it doesn't hold up. Sorry my Aussie knife buds 🫤
Even if it is apples to oranges... Why can't you compare fruits of similar shape and size? 😂 It's not like you're comparing apples to atomic weapons or anything.
None If both, instead a mora companion or heavy duty companion. Or two/ three of them for the price one Venture or Garberg is... The Venture is imho a better kitchen knife, i sold mine after a short time and the Garberg does not fit my hand.
G'day Pete, its more like comparing granny smith to red delicious or washington navel to valencia ; ) Anyway, neither, Terava Puukko 140 and a BK-18 Cant remember the exact prices but I think in the ball park in AUD. Cheers Duke.
Different knives for different uses. I'd take the Victorinox for camping and the Garberg as a "survival" knife. If one is after a Bushcraft knife, the Bushcraft Black is way better than both of these. If he's after general use/utility/food prep/camping hiking etc, then the Victorinox is the way to go.
For me its very hard to keep that angle at Mora for a such large surface. Victorinox lose sharpness pretty fast but they are incredible easy to resharpen. Id choose Victorinox knife and Victorinox ceramic and diamond files! Sadly for both, after i bought a 4MaxScout i never needed to buy another knife.
both are a scam for what you pay, the venture even has the unlabeled steel they use for their $20 vics, the mora at least has 14c28n, which is a quality budget steel.
@@MrKumbancha okay, thanks for the clarification. usually they use 440c for their more expensive knives and since victorinox doesn't label the steel on their own website, i was a bit hesitant to believe that it's anything else than inox. anyway, if it's 14c28n it is good news, i hope they start to use it on a regular basis and in their folders too. cheers
I'd have a Terava 120 for the bush, and just get a Victorinox Kitchen/Chef's knife for the camp kitchen. And with the change buy a beer. My choice for a survival knife is the Skrama. The Venture is over priced. Moras do nothing for me.
This is like comparing apples to oranges,, I don't know how to tell the difference between a orange and a apple, so this video is very helpful, thank you very much,,!!
I picked up a Garberg from Amazon recently for $55. I'm not sure it's even worth that much. I like it though. Btw I did in fact bend it permanently, albeit only slightly, batoning a twisted piece of hardwood.
I've never had a problem with either Mora Garbergs, stainless or carbon, I'm not calling you a liar by the way just shocked at yours bending, must have been a slab of hard wood to do that. Anything bigger than wrist thick I use an axe, right tool right job.👍🏻
@@Uploaderization Nah probably for you but not for me. I rather a knife that’s been tested hard and the Garberg lasted way longer than that piece of junk
@@cocovasquez1 It's not testing, it's entertainment. I suppose if somebody test a car by driving it into a wall and the car breaks, then you consider that a bad car?
@@cocovasquez1 Mora Robust survived better than the Garberg did with Joe X, and its not full tang, and its a lot cheaper, and it has a proper finger guard.
Over $100 for 14C28N seems like robbery. Especially for plastic scales / handles. If it was titanium scales or a better steel I could see the price, but for 14C28N? No way.
10:44 I just can't help thinking what the point is of having a Scandi grind if you put a micro (secondary) bevel on it? Surely that changes the very nature of the Scandi grind which is always described as having a zero edge. I don't get it. It then becomes a sort of abominated sabre grind? It smacks of Mora becoming disenchanted by the constant flow of complaints about Scandi blades being very difficult to sharpen properly in the field, and offering a simple "fix". But, have they betrayed the fundamental value of Scandi grinds? 11:55 Slicing demo - that was one of the best demos I've ever seen and puts the whole slicing thing into perspective! Most people don't actually understand this, and the demo will help them to do this. Great stuff mate! Agree totally with your conclusion.
A guy from Alabama drinking his morning coffee watching a guy from Australia talk about European knives, it’s a good world.
Haha same with the guy from Ohio here
Same here with a guy from Kentucky. Cheers!
Colombian coffee?
"It tickles me a certain way"
- Pete 2024 (take that to the bank!)
A cedric and ada video is exactly the pick-me-up I need after a long week!
facts
The most underrated feature of the Venture that puts it above all other fixed blades at the moment IMHO is the curved belly that spans across the whole edge. I have long been waiting for a knife like Fällkniven H1 or PHK that would have a thinner blade. The belly and the significantly dropped point of the blade is exactly what I have been longing for and I was considering a custom knife, because such a knife was not available AFAIK. Most of the knives these days (especially scandi gound) seem to have a long flat part and then steeply curving part near the tip. I don't find that useful at all. The narrowish blade, long belly and drop point are exactly what I want from a knife that I use for skinning large game, processing small game and fish and chopping veggies.
Benchmade makes blades with long belly, but they all have either an unnecessary broad blade that makes them clumsy or a sharp tip (extreme case: Meatcrafter). Victorinox hit the nail on the head with this one.
As a longtime subscriber...you still Rock.
I definitely need more street cred in the Bush.
Giggity
Picked up that Garberg a couple months ago and have loved it. Really sharp out of the box, really useful for a variety of yard duties, and a nice small and thin sheath. Just ordered that extra kit with sharpener, had no idea that existed! Glad to see the Venture is so great too.
The Venture Pro comes with a pen, tweezers and fire steel inside the fancier sheath.
I hope you feel better soon Pete.
Take Care!
Mora Robust for me. It's everything I need and cheap.
"Streets of the bush" is just perfect
I purchased the Venture basic after your review as my new camping knife and i am very happy with its performance got it for a bargain 115$. Great video Thank you
That “apples to oranges” guy even explained “apples to oranges”! Next level!
In my opinion, Venture is more comparable with Cansbol. Put them together in the next video. Cheaper though. Cheers
How can you compare these 2. One is red and one is black. Completely different. Apples and oranges
I own both and don't really like either 😳!
The Garberg just doesn't feel comfortable or well balanced, so I don't use it. That is very subjective!
The venture (pro with kit) works great for all camp (kitchen) tasks, but I don't like to use it for heavier wood processing tasks. The toolkit is need for building stuff, but I honestly don't do enough of that to justify schlepping it around.
I prefer bringing a short (7-9cm) blade and a little hatchet. Fits my needs better!
I love your Tool outro. And also like, finally someone found the direct competitor for the Garberg.
We always knew Pete loved the streetbush
Get well Pete, thanks for the effort of the video I enjoyed it.
I have a F1, since you reviewed it many years ago and still find it the best bush knife I’ve ever owned.
You should review an actual apple vs an orange
But you can’t! That would be like comparing app……..
That could end up going as viral as his cat review. He’s just the man for doing the comparison vid as well
Yes, and always refer to it so that’s handled forever 😉
The comparison of comparing apples to oranges to comparing dissimilar knives is akin to bananas-to-plantains comparisons.
Have you heard of UG (Utsch & Gierse) Tools knives? Especially the "TiNy" Model? It's a bout the same blade length as the Garberg and Venture,but has a 3D-printed titanium handle and weighs only 80g (~2.8 ounces). Magnacut blade too.
As the self appointed apples to oranges guy this is more a pumpkin to squash type of comparison
Kansbol - and you have both of them into one
Looks like I got here two days too late!
I have the Garbeeeerg and always felt the handle is the other way around. The pommel has a bigger finger guard than the front.
For those that care about knives I would not say these are competators. These two would be complimentary to each other. The Victorinox kept in a pack for camp tasks and the garberg on your hip for quick access.
Sorry you're under the weather. I've got the Garberg that I quite like, and if the Victorinox price eventually drops to something not crazy, I'll get one to check out...
Great review and I agree with your conclusions.
Please review apples and oranges. The masses need to see that comparison.
I thought the pro came with a firesteel and even a pen, tweezers? Also toothpick? Don’t know, i should have checked 😉 applesoranges. Love your vids 😇
I’m not one to comment, but just have to say after watching for some years now - Love your vids mate! Keep up the great work!
Hope you feel better soon Lord Palpatine! 😂🍻
Bow drill convention was this weekend? Missed it again
Those sure are knives that will cut.
Check the Peltonen m07 out. Don'nt have a venture yet, but I like ithe Peltonen more than my Garberg (which I like more than I thought I would)
The Garberg is a bad allrounder though. Not the case with the peltonen which will do food prep and buchcrafting equally well imo.
yes more knives pete
"do it" 😂
Good question.
I was wondering it myself as well
But i own a Mora garberg
I will watch this clip, but have paused it at the beginning and commenting (unsolicited) that the garberg is gonna woop vics behind! 😅😂😂😂
like comparing apples to onions... quite similar but used in different ways
Feel better soon Pete! For Pete's sake 😬
That was quite a comparison and Knife Grinds for Dummies.
Doing such good work, even when ill, that's... cutting edge. 😅
Garberg + Cedric & Ada = $. Love this channel. Love my garberg. Click bait never tasted so good
I knew I recognized the Victorinox, it looks like a shrink down Cold Steel Slockmaster.
I love apples and oranges, especially in fruit salad. Great video, keep up being the worst 😂.
Got both. But I’m not a fan of grapefruit.
Good show! Looking fit as well!
I love my Victorinox collection of SAKs and Swiss Tool but the fixed blade offerings leave my cold. The first model was a somewhat over priced Muela. This new model looks for all the world as if its come from the same OEM manufacturer who makes catering and game processing knives for Spyderco. Not a bad thing perhaps but I am still going to choose the Mora.
Yay Knives!
Yay!
And that’s why the Sabre grind is the best
Hope you are still doing freehand sharpening. Really enjoyed those videos and hope you do more
The Victorinox more food prep and the Mora more bush craft ??, personally i prefer Victorinox 👍👍
Not meaning to go too apples & oranges on you, but I wonder about comparing the Venture to the Mora Kansbol?
I choose the mora kansbol.
Although we all know felix immler is THE GOD OF BUSHCRAFT and also the sak ..
I've got to go with my garberg carbon multi mount.
Also, if you don't feel up side down in Australia, THERE'S A BIG REASON .
Calgary here
They're both wildly overpriced, if you ask me (and I know you didn't!) I've been particularly disappointed in the edge-holding ability of the Victorinox knives. I love the lower priced Mora knives, but can't see why the full tang costs so much more.
Correct
Butter steel.
This specific Victorinox is in 14C28N, as opposed to the usual 4116, but I do agree there are cheaper options. I’d be a lot more upset if the Venture was 4116, because I think for the cost of a SAK 4116 is fine.
@@Dan12345 Sure, it's an upgrade over the (very) basic 4116, but certainly no super steel at that hefty price point. I guess both of these are produced in high-cost countries, so you're not necessarily expecting to get any bargains out of Switzerland, but that's one thing that's always been such a pleasant surprise about the basic Mora knives. They're cheap, even though they come from Sweden, and they're quite good. Even the Chinese can't make a Mora-style, similar quality knife for less. I guess I should reserve judgement until I've tried these knives myself, but I just doubt I'll ever pay those prices for either.
@@miketranfaglia3986 true it’s no super steel. Can you find a better steel in a knife that size for the same price, outside of China? I haven’t been able to. Personally I’m happy with 14C28N and 4116 (in Swiss Army knives). I think if you want edge retention you might be looking at the wrong company. Try Spyderco or Benchmade or even the Buck Pro or Heritage series.
I’ve got my Spyderco Enuff 2 in K390, which I’ve used for batoning when backpacking and holds an edge well.
10:00 to be fair Pete, we're here watching a video comparing knives, we are already dorks. I'm a fedora and a poor man's katana away from relegating myself to whatever the Florida version of my mom's basement.
Which ever circles exist where that giant sheath does not look ridiculous are circles that should be avoided.
I don't understand the apples to oranges saying. Any dingus can compare apples to oranges. Like taking candy from a baby, it's super easy.
If you want to split wood, the garberg is ok. Personally if I could part with my $180+ I would go for Victorinox, which is more versatile but it is overpriced am afraid.
Where is the garberg that expensive Canadian and Australian dollar is about the same and the garberg is $106 here
@@superdave6415 Garberg ~$AU150 and Venture ~$AU180 here in Australia
@@Navapex wow what a rip off
@@superdave6415 Here in Australia we are getting ripped of in every way especially nowdays.😞
Thats why I make my own knives using car leaf springs.
90-100e here in EU. where they are produced, doesn't make sense.
I think it’s more like lemons and limes. What are you doing man? No one in the history of the world would do that. Really important.
It’s like comparing apples to pears!
Why does no one ever say you can't compare tangerines to pomegranates?. inquiring minds want to know
I only see one thing really wrong with the Venture : Why is it full tang?
Full tang = strong knife. However a full flat grind that makes the edge very thin = week knife.
So if you buy the Venture, you'll be paying for a full tang knife, that IS NOT a full tang knife in practical use.
What are chest levers?
Reverse cutting technique..
its a cutting technique, surprisingly strong cuts and you dont get tired
you place the thing you want to cut and the knife on your chest edge away, and cut not with your hands, but pulling your elbows back.
Search on youtube, its kind of hard to explain.
Yo Pete, you may want to throttle back a little on the pseudoephedrine my man.
You can Garbergs in the states for $70-$80
Even in Canada can get for $106
COMPARE ALL THE FRUITS!!!!
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Tifas to Aeriths, bro
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Because OfMy Hard Red Nasty Australian Wood 🎵🎶🎵
It's like comparing Robertson to Phillips. Robertson is waaay better. Can handle far more torque.
do it
Do it.
Everyone is sick right now. Covid is going around here, in America.
venture forme too lol
Chest leaver or trying to fly away?
Tengo ambos y sin duda elijo el Victorinox Venture. Mucho más versátil que el Mora Garberg
There is no such thing, as a Scandi with a microbevel. A Scandi grind only has one single bevel, by definition. If it has a secondary bevel, then it isn't a Scandi grind. It's a sabre grind.
The Garberg has actually went down in price. It's about $69 To $80 on Amazon in the US. I prefer the Carbon and avoid the leather sheath , it doesn't hold up.
Sorry my Aussie knife buds 🫤
Decently designed knives, ridiculous prices for at best, basic steels...........
Even if it is apples to oranges... Why can't you compare fruits of similar shape and size? 😂 It's not like you're comparing apples to atomic weapons or anything.
He spent 15 minutes comparing them
You're truly today's Aristotle
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Garberg1000%
None If both, instead a mora companion or heavy duty companion.
Or two/ three of them for the price one Venture or Garberg is...
The Venture is imho a better kitchen knife, i sold mine after a short time and the Garberg does not fit my hand.
Both overpriced. I'm unsure how they justify the price difference between the Mora Companion and the Garberg
Who are you, & what have you done with Pete ? Lets see that toe. 🦶
G'day Pete, its more like comparing granny smith to red delicious or washington navel to valencia ; )
Anyway, neither, Terava Puukko 140 and a BK-18 Cant remember the exact prices but I think in the ball park in AUD. Cheers Duke.
Different knives for different uses. I'd take the Victorinox for camping and the Garberg as a "survival" knife. If one is after a Bushcraft knife, the Bushcraft Black is way better than both of these. If he's after general use/utility/food prep/camping hiking etc, then the Victorinox is the way to go.
Not different uses necessarily bud. You probably just need to learn and use a scandi and flat grind for all tasks.
You mean ... comparing oranges to bushcraft knives.
The Venture is a GREAT kitchen knife 🤣
Sorry Felix! 😁
For me its very hard to keep that angle at Mora for a such large surface. Victorinox lose sharpness pretty fast but they are incredible easy to resharpen. Id choose Victorinox knife and Victorinox ceramic and diamond files!
Sadly for both, after i bought a 4MaxScout i never needed to buy another knife.
both are a scam for what you pay, the venture even has the unlabeled steel they use for their $20 vics, the mora at least has 14c28n, which is a quality budget steel.
They literally use the same steel.
edit: there is a carbon steel garberg that uses a different one,but the stainless is the same as the venture
@@MrKumbancha where did you find the infos? i couldn't find one single website (including the official victorinox one) that labeled the steel.
@@UA-cam-Censorship-Police survival supplies australia has it labeled as that at least
swiss knife shop too
@@MrKumbancha okay, thanks for the clarification.
usually they use 440c for their more expensive knives and since victorinox doesn't label the steel on their own website, i was a bit hesitant to believe that it's anything else than inox.
anyway, if it's 14c28n it is good news, i hope they start to use it on a regular basis and in their folders too.
cheers
@@UA-cam-Censorship-Police yeah, hope so too
I'd have a Terava 120 for the bush, and just get a Victorinox Kitchen/Chef's knife for the camp kitchen. And with the change buy a beer. My choice for a survival knife is the Skrama.
The Venture is over priced. Moras do nothing for me.
sweden > switzerland
This is like comparing apples to oranges,,
I don't know how to tell the difference between a orange and a apple, so this video is very helpful, thank you very much,,!!
I picked up a Garberg from Amazon recently for $55. I'm not sure it's even worth that much. I like it though.
Btw I did in fact bend it permanently, albeit only slightly, batoning a twisted piece of hardwood.
May I assume (please, correct me) your Garberg is in the stainless version?
I'm very curious what we're you batoning? An how big was it?
I've never had a problem with either Mora Garbergs, stainless or carbon, I'm not calling you a liar by the way just shocked at yours bending, must have been a slab of hard wood to do that.
Anything bigger than wrist thick I use an axe, right tool right job.👍🏻
@@Dhari1 - yes it's stainless
@@richardhenry1969 - I think it was cherry, and probably 3.5 inches across.
That’s easy.. Mora Garberg all day and twice on Sunday. Joe X easily destroyed the Victorionox. Voctorionox is just a kitchen steak knife
Joe X is entertainment, not knifetesting.
@@Uploaderization Nah probably for you but not for me. I rather a knife that’s been tested hard and the Garberg lasted way longer than that piece of junk
@@cocovasquez1 It's not testing, it's entertainment. I suppose if somebody test a car by driving it into a wall and the car breaks, then you consider that a bad car?
@@cocovasquez1 Mora Robust survived better than the Garberg did with Joe X, and its not full tang, and its a lot cheaper, and it has a proper finger guard.
As of the writing of this comment, the usd is equal to 1.47 aud.
Neither.
Venture didnt need to exist.
Over $100 for 14C28N seems like robbery. Especially for plastic scales / handles. If it was titanium scales or a better steel I could see the price, but for 14C28N? No way.
Duh?
Garberg is proven. Victorinox is a knife for non knife people.
10:44 I just can't help thinking what the point is of having a Scandi grind if you put a micro (secondary) bevel on it? Surely that changes the very nature of the Scandi grind which is always described as having a zero edge. I don't get it. It then becomes a sort of abominated sabre grind? It smacks of Mora becoming disenchanted by the constant flow of complaints about Scandi blades being very difficult to sharpen properly in the field, and offering a simple "fix". But, have they betrayed the fundamental value of Scandi grinds?
11:55 Slicing demo - that was one of the best demos I've ever seen and puts the whole slicing thing into perspective! Most people don't actually understand this, and the demo will help them to do this. Great stuff mate!
Agree totally with your conclusion.