The Problem with RMC...
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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2023
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RMC is good, but they’re also not good.
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Nice to see a video that doesn't just suck off RMC. No one ever talks about their engineering issues that plague basically all their rides. Their trains too. I think they're trying to so hard to keep the cost down that it's causing them to overlook a lot of this. Sub-contracts probably doesn't help either.
For those of you unfamiliar, a block zone is a section of ride that only one train may occupy. At the end block zone is a method of stopping the train in case the block zone ahead is occupied. This is the safety system that prevents roller coaster trains from colliding with one another
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😂eltororyan is here!
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Block breaks, very essential on roller coaster tycoon
My issue with RMCs are their restraints that are not accommodating. Especially for tall, long leg people like myself.
I personally got to experience ArieForce One, and yes they kind of hurt, it still is an awesome finale. I can't really compare it to anything, but unless the metal part of the seatbelt gets between somewhere uncomfortable (like your leg) and the restraint, it shouldn't be that bad for enthusiasts. Regular coaster riders probably will not enjoy those hills. I LOVE 'EM.
Agreed 1000%
one thing i dont like about rmc are their extremely loud anti rollbacks
I'm an absolute sucker for them
I think it adds to the excitement because it is a sign that you will soon be plunging into the layout in a few seconds
I think they're both cool and hilarious. CLANK CLANK CLANK, it's RMC time!! They remind me of janky old Arrows and I kind of loved those too.
The OGs are almost silent. Iron Rattler makes almost no noise at all.
This response is a perfect example of the idiotic shit enthusiasts complain about.
I think RMC should make 2 small changes to their restraints:
1) move the seat belt buckle to the side, to avoid the metal buckle being able to be under the lap bar.
2) widen the width of the lap bars. There is too much force over the thin lap bar and this distributes too much force to a small area on your legs. Widening it would increase comfort.
I feel like their designs are overly aggressive with forces on the structures. Steel Vengeance is tearing itself apart. I'm curious to see how their Wild Moose family coaster will do
Coast Rider needs to be replaced with one of those but idk if Cedar Fair would start working with them again
Rode it this year and it had that trim break on halfway the ride lets just say it isn't my favorite coaster from RMC because of that. Still a very good one but Zadra and maybe untamed are better in my opnion. Havent done Gwazi yet (The rest that i haven't done don't look to be in legue with those at least for the I box track)
I wish I could go to an RMC but I am thinking of going to SFMM for my birthday, I would love to go to Twisted Colossus & Wonder Woman Flight of Courage Single-Rail Coaster
@@arturobianco848 its number 1 without the trim brake imo
@@terg8472 It would certainly be a major improvement. So you might be right.
I honestly feel like RMC’s have become too aggressive and the anti-rollbacks have just gotten louder and louder. I’ve been needing to cover my ears on the lift hill of Wildcat’ a revenge which hasn’t happened on any other RMS I’ve ridden. However, I think RMC’s are somewhat comfortable, except there’s pretty much nowhere to hold onto like Steel Vengeance, and I love having my hands up on roller coasters. And I’m glad you know about the groundhog issue, it hasn’t been fully addressed but still way better than before. Great video by the way :)
I agree. Anti roll backs are ridiculously loud. Like, rock concert decibels, or close enough. I think their trains suck ass though. WAY too small and cramped, too difficult to walk into and off of, nowhere to hold on, annoying restraints that hurt my shins and come down tighter over time etc. Their engineering is pretty lacking too on the high up, intense elements. Though, they've rectified it over time. I also don't think they should really be using wood on any new, ground up coaster. It's absurd.
I've ridden both Mean Streak and Steele Vengeance as well as The Texas Rattler and Iron Rattler... I'd say that if it wasn't for the brilliance of RMC, those 2 coasters would be long gone.... The last time I rode MS, I wanted off the damn thing before the half way mark... It was soooo rough Chiropractors were setting up offices just outside the park.. I didn't mind the "coils" part of Texas Rattler, they were fun. . Wish RMC would have kept them...
I beg to differ from your opinion about 1st and 2nd gen trains. The first gen restraints seem to come down during the ride, but the second gen restraints are neutral, and require serious force to push up after the restraints are unlocked. In a sense, Neutral. During the ride, the lapbars never come down, and I have gotten so many rides on second gen trains with probably wayyy too much room, but the train returns to the station with the same amount of room every time (at least for me).
Fair point, but I found the 2nd gen trains to come down during the ride too.
Its an absolute fact that Steel Vengeance (2nd gen) comes down during the ride.
@@gibiati8295 I personally did not experience it, at least to a certain degree. Maybe they break in, but after 50+ rides on Wildcat's Revenge this year, I can safely say those do not come down during the ride.
Agreed arieforces never come dowb
I've never been bothered by RMC trains. I ride Twisted Timbers all the time, and the restraints are just fine. The lap bar barely comes down during the ride, and I never even notice the shin guards during the ride. I did ride Lighting Rod, and the restraints definitely came down much harder on that ride. I had to hold up the restraint to not get stapled before the first wave turn. I'm not 100% sure if that's because of a difference between the old and new trains, but that's what I assume.
1st vs 2nd gen trains have a bit of a difference in how much the restraint comes down during the ride (assuming you're not stapled to begin with)
I found Twisted Timbers to not even be enjoyable. Granted I had ridden Arieforce One (x5), Twisted Cyclone, and Lightning Rod (x3) within 5 days before going to King's Dominion, but Twisted Timbers has so many bunny hills and I've found those to be what cause the most pain on RMCs for me (SV, TT, AF1). We had a group of 4, and not one of us had a good experience with Twisted Timbers. If they had something more comprable to the B&M clamshells or the Intamin restraints on Velocicoaster/Pantheon I think their coasters would be more comftorable for more of its riders (even though some aren't affected by it).
After Steve I had a purple bruise on my leg that’s the one thing I hate about rmc
I always wondered how to old wood would hold up. I would be using steel on some inversions and areas or using ann new wood etc. They make wooden coaster layouts more interesting.
The groundhog issue was so unexpected lol
My biggest problem with RMC are if your thighs are bigger than 8" in diameter+ you'll get walk of shamed
I wish all the hybrids had trains like Iron Rattler’s. It’s hands down the most comfortable train of any RMC I’ve experienced
Yeah, those were built by Gerstlauer.
Lol did you just call steel vengeance Steve. I love this we need to make this a inside joke!
Yeah haha, a lot of people call it that
There are a couple of things I've noticed. I'm not knocking CF but they seem to have issues with everyone but B&M. They had issues with Intamin, RMC, now Zamperla with their Wild Mouse. It's strikes me as odd. Also it didn't seem to me that RMC had many issues with SF and they bought a ton of them. The early Raptors are prototypes so I can them having issues and the launched woodie was a bad idea. They're not perfect by any means but considering their cost I don't think they're all that unreliable either.
True, but those 3 manufacturers you mentioned are some of the least reliable/park-friendly. I wouldn't blame CF tbh
Plus, Cedar Fair even managed to have an issue with a B&M ride (namely the crack in the support on Fury 325). But thanks to B&M's redundant engineering, it didn't cause any injuries.
That's been my point. At what point does CF just only work with B&M because a new concept/ride has more than 2 issues and then never works with them again? I'm exaggerating of course, but it is a bit of a problem that CF stopped working with RMC after, what, 3 rides? They didn't really give them much of a chance. Meanwhile, SF is perfectly ok with more RMC. It blows my mind. CF had to know what they were doing. Then they have the gall to get mad when the thing that they knew might have issues, *gasp*, has issues. CF kind of needs to get over themselves tbh. They had to know what they were ordering.
All that said, I do see the maintenance side. RMC can step up their game (and should), if they want to survive. maybe take a page out of Zamperla's book and make everything except for the swing axels a singular milled piece of aluminum or something to help reduce weight and stress. The restraints could also do with a redesign as well.
TL;DR: CF can be the worst sometimes, but so can RMC.
@@me-myself-i787 No doubt B&M makes quality rides but they are very conservative in their ride design. They don't build the crazy stuff that Intamin builds.
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My 1st time riding a RMC was steel vengeance at cedar point when it was 1st built ..since then I’ve been to 6 amusement parks around the world based off the fact that they have a RMC COASTER😩I’m riding atleast 5times in a row! Hopefully they can do better with their coaster issues in the future
On Steve I was flung into the restraint and it hurt but I still loved it and it’s my number one so I’m basic and that’s my only complaint with steve😅
And the lockers broke down
I found the airtime on Arieforce fine, but the brakes hurt like hell.
I feel like I'm the only person on the planet that is perfectly comfortable with RMC restraints.
I love ‘em
I feel that rmc restraints are ok i mean i like being able to move my legs are around but the shin guards are fine,
The seats themselves are a bit small but not too bad, but restraints are a real ball crusher if you get stapled
I don’t get it enthusiasts are impossible to make happy. Everyone asked for crazier airtime and more airtime. They got what they wanted and now everyone trash talks vengeance for being repetitive airtime. The airtime everyone asked for was delivered but now everybody hates it. Everyone wanted more extreme and arieforce delivered, but now it’s “uncomfortable.” Everyone asked for it but nobody is happy now that we have it.
Completely agree!
Pretty sure not many people were complaining about the strength of airtime on most RMCs. Sure, there's always gonna be people that dislike the way a certain thing is going, but in the case of AF1, the airtime seems to really be too strong.
@@Coaster_CriticIt’s borderline too strong but people who are way too overwhelmed by it don’t know how to prepare for it
(which you shouldn’t have to do in the first place)
anyway my fault on that too but i agree with the guy that people should stop complaining
Whenever there is strong ejector air, there are complaints about restraints. Go figure.
As a regular Twisted Timbers rider, I didn't find AF1's finale bad, you go into it in pretty good shape, buck and bronco a bit and then it's over. However it is the only major coaster there so not entirely logical.
I disagree; I don't see people complaining about El Toro's, Time Traveler's, or Ride to Happiness's restraints (as examples). I just think the finale could have been done a lot more effectively.
@@Coaster_Critic Toro's were my nemesis until I lost weight, although they are among the best but for the tight verify. But it also has a sort of gradual ejector that pushes you into the bar then piles on more and more. Not just a instant slam. Also have mixed feelings on the new Intamin restaints, the elephant's foot. I've only ridden CS but Mack's restraint was very bulky and the forces weren't as strong.
The only exception for rmc airtime with shin guards is steel vengeance, that ride is airtime heaven
I have never ridden a Raptor before so I don’t know how the restraints. However, I have ridden an I-Box hybrid before at SFOG. The lap bars were comfortable in my opinion if I can remember since I haven’t been to my home park since 2018
I think each of the major thrill coaster manufacturers has a pro that is also a con.
RMC is cool because they are a scruffy young manufacturer that came out punching way above their weight. That's cool because we've been given such amazing rides but it's a con because they don't have a enough of a history or portfolio to actually know how to avoid major mistakes with such aggressive projects.
Intamin is ambitious but perhaps too ambitious. They are willing to try anything or go for any record. As such they've had some similar problems that Arrow had where they had bit off more than they could chew. And while they make great rides, the more ambitious the ride is the less reliable it is. Fortunately, they've been around long enough to learn from mistakes.
B&M is reliable and predictable. This is great because if your park is getting a B&M you know it'll be good. And your park will be happy because it'll be open. But in being predictable, they generally aren't going to build something that feels unprecedented or unmissable. It'll be great but in most (not all) cases a B&M won't be the star of the show for a major park.
Vekoma seems to have learned a lot of lessons and that is great. But they still seem to want to be the cheaper B&M where they have a reproducible reliable product but they aren't as flexible with what they can do with that product unless you really pay big bucks.
I could go on. Gerstlauer wants to be small and compact but they've sort of pigeonholed themselves into that (except in a few European cases.) GCI and Gravity Group make aggressive woodies which is cool but it means they are doomed to become rough very quickly unless a park is willing to invest a ton in maintenance. S&S isn't quite sure what it wants to be so it's either overly cookie cutter or doing something WAY out in left field with no idea what they are doing. MACK is branching out but that also means they're still getting their bearings.
The restraint on Steel Vengeance at Cedar Point was too bulky for my gut and couldn't ride it. But yeah they're not as comfortable as Maverick next door!
Personally, ArieForce One is my favorite RMC because the rest of the layout is just incredible. You really do have to ride defensively for those last ejector hills though, it’s not just something you can let loose and enjoy.
Intamin is the best manufacturer in the business for me. My top 2 are both Intamin coasters.
El Toro & Velocicoaster?
@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od Velocicoaster #1, Maverick #2
“Soobsroob” - Pol Hilomk
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I think people also forget that RMC has only been building there own coasters for 13 years. They are still figuring things out to a point. I think there biggest challenge will be how to stay on top of the game as other manufacturers start catching up. They have built up their catalog with some hugely popular rides now it’s time for them to focus in on the quality and reliability.
13 years is more than enough time to figure a product out
and RMC loves you :)
I've only been on SteVe, Jersey Devil and Twisted Timbers. I personally don't find the trains uncomfortable. Maybe its just my size and body weight but I never had an issue with the seats and restraints. However, I really agree with the rest of your points. SteVe gets Very repetitive itself. Very thoughtful video and compelling argument.
Thanks! Like I said, I know some people who are fine with those trains, but I (as well as many others) like others better.
I agree with RMC kicking butt, but B&M always makes a heavyweight monster and still is my fave.
6:20 Yea the brake run is more uncomfortable than the hills, the hills aren’t that bad if you know what you’re doing but the brake run is never great. But it feels funny because it’s even forceful
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Ive enjoyed every RMC I've ridden, woth the exception on Lightning Rod. I thought it was rough, and just painful. I dont ever need to ride it again. The others Ive been on (Wicked Cyclone, Twisted Colossus, Twisted Timbers, Iron Gwazi, Steel Vengeance, Goliath, and Stunt Pilot) were all enjoyable.
I have to agree, though...the trains and restraints are really uncomfortable. I think that their rides all use the same bag of tricks over and over, similar to B&M. Im also not a huge fan of some of the things they do with banking. Im hoping to see them do some new rise types, going forward. Change it up a bit more.
I like the restraint a lot. Chin guards are an L tho
Just rode Arie Force One last weekend…the airtime in the end is extremely strong, but not bad…but I will agree the final brake is a bit too aggressive.
That stupid groundhog stopped me from riding wildcats revenge
Didn't really know of the problems behind the scenes just had one problem with downtime on a raptor and weather had been pretty horrible the day before. Well they have become a famous builder might be time for them to outsource their problems and just ask for more money. As fas as the coasters go i haven't ridden a bad RMC yet having said that Those raptors do feel kind of rattly for coasters that are this new so i have to wonder how well they age. As for the constraines i used the be pretty fat and those restrained really hurt on those ejector airtime hills with me bodyfat flapping in and out of the restraines. Now that i lost most of it and be being also not that long the restraines are fine for me. The raptors however have to wide a seating and make my hips cramp up so i need a break after 3 or 4 rides.
RMC founder Fred Grubb and the brilliant designer Alan Schilke retired before ArieForce and Wildcat's Revenge. It might take some time to develop the new talent.
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I hate their hybrid coaster restraints so much, I spend the whole ride thinking about how good it would be if I wasn't stapled and in pain from the lap bar alone. The only ones out there I think are worse are intamin's prefab wood coaster trains.
I like the prefab trains.
@Coaster_Critic I have to be stapled into them and people get turned away pretty much every ride cycle, so in my personal opinion they're the worst. I would like to ride El Toro without being reminded that intamin hates me and six flags is cool with that. I'm sure they based the restraints on "average rider size" data which by definition excludes larger people who would ride the coaster if it was designed for our bodies.
RMC needs to comes to Canada!!!
Arie force one is just a RMC restraint problem...
Also as a european who gets spoiled by new gen intamin and new gen vekoma, like fly at my homepark, my opinion of RMC is a bit mediocre, there restraints just annoy me so fucking hard, untamed is rly good.... but man, those trains are a pain in the buttt
ArieForce One's quad down has airtime that's some of the strongest on the planet, and when coupled with bad restraints, it's a recipe for what could be called pain.
@@Coaster_Critic yeah, with better restraints it might be better, a lot less painfull
next coaster critic video when?
couple weeks
@@Coaster_Critic make it 4 days
no
2 days?@@Coaster_Critic
couple weeks
1:33 Id just like to mention that somehow Arieforces don’t come down at all. But yeah I agree on the restraints they’re meh and sometimes take away from the ride
I Loved The Restraints Since You Will Literally Never Get Stapled With Them
Interesting, I found that even if the lap bar gave me room, the shin guards would still be tight.
3:16 damn what did lightning rod do
everything
bomboclaaaaaat
bomb the cat (milou)
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ruben, shush
woh, unexpected. maybe its just because the uk is stuck in 2005 and hasnt got anything new since 2012 but I loved the restraints on zadra when i went to poland last week, my fav restraints so far, better than shambhala ones and better thgan vekoma ones
Interesting, I disagree.
I hate the seatbelts, the restraints are okay themselves but the seatbelts are a huge problem, I have had terrible experiences with the seatbelts on Iron Gwazi, especially on the trick track double up.
My biggest problem with them is the shin guards, although seatbelts really hurt dispatch times
@@Coaster_Critic The shin guards are definitely a negative for me aswell
So I’ve been to fun spot a million times and Aeriforce one the finally just hurts other than that I love Irish don’t think it’s unpleasant it just hurts after a few rides
You forgot to mention that RMC manufactured track for Skyline rides which are/were also problematic and I heard the rides were rough and uncomfortable.
Rmc,s may be repative in the states but we don't have one in the UK although they is rumours of a inside one at Alton towers project horizon
That's not an RMC haha
That wont be an rmc, they are teasing us. It might be a single rail but thats it
Honestly, I feel like (off the top of my head) I can only name no more than 5 existing wooden coasters that I can realistically see RMC converting over the next 5 to 10 years. And that seems worrisome from a financial stability perspective.
Fair point, but RMC's definitely been expanding their catalog recently with ground-up hybrids like ArieForce One and Zadra, and they still have the single rails that are selling pretty well.
Aire’s finale is not painful, at least if you don’t get over 5 rides lol
It might not be painful, but I can't imagine it being comfortable.
i dont hear many people hate on rmc trains, idk where that came from
It's more about the seats and restraints
@@Coaster_Critic yeah ik ive never heard people hate on anything but the shin guards and they arent bad most of the time
Very well said my dude, rmc in a nutshell: amazing layouts but bad technically
Coster critic with another good video (I hope more enthusiasts stop pretending they are flawless and perfect because unfortunately, they just aren't)
I've not had this issue by my gf got bruised up from SV.
I work on outlaw run at sdc, trust me when I tell you rmc has issues.
I like rmcs restraints😊
Interesting, why?
The problem with rmc is they use a extremely outdated track design. People act like ibox track is this new advanced design. It's a ancient design, arrow dynamics track is technically more advanced. Ibox track is technically just a thicker version of the old steel track they used on traveling fair coasters like the wild cat, the ba Schaffer wild mouse, the Alan hershal little dipper, they all used "I box track. Problem is a square is terrible at distributing forces so over time it twists and warps. The standard double track rmc coasters will most likly ahe fine but the single rail ones are all going to become rough mechanical nightmares for their parks.
Interesting, I hadn't heard of that.
@@Coaster_Critic go look at the track that is used on pinfari zyclons. It is essentially the same track.
RMC's trains are the 2nd most comfortable trains to ride in. The only company more comfortable than RMC is Arrow.
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As someone with their top 3 containing 2 rmcs. How dare you 💀
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Hi!
I only rode wicked cyclone at six flags new England. I'm a lanky 6 foot 4, and I don't recall being uncomfortable on the ride at all. Definitely the best ride at the park. Superman on the other hand with those old Intamin trains is terrible, I barely fit in the seat, and it's just continuous knee pain for the whole duration of the ride
To me, the restraints on Wicked Cyclone and Superman actually feel pretty similar. But I'm 5' 11", which I suspect is pretty much the height a lot of restraint systems on big-boy coasters were designed for, so I generally have less trouble with restraints than most people do.
The restraints on Untamed are honestly fine, although on some small ocasions, the shin guards do bother me a little bit.
The thing I dislike most about RMC is the ejector bunny hill spam near the end of their smaller rides, it's just so uncomfortable.
lightning rod is just a shit show , way to ambitious ,an incline launch is one of the hardest things to get right and reliable , but they tried it , didn't work and that's okay.
At least there still making something of it.
Also the extra downtime on wood to hybrid conversions is something that is to be expected, they survey the exciting structure , add more supports where needed , but dealing with old wood is very unpredictable because of the nature of the material , they cant over engineer the structure to much in the design fase because that would make the ride way more expensive , so the next best thing is to see how it handles real operations and then add extra supports where needed.
Untamed is comfortable
Not really imo
RMC is fun but it’s not a true wooden.
In a way, I am kind of happy that cedar fair isn't working with RMC because I don't care for raptors or the mess cedar fair has created with the metal detection process. TSA literally is a better experience. I absolutely cannot stand getting stapled on Steel Vengeance. I can forgive how hard it is to get the back row but waiting that long in line to have all your hopes and dreams crushed by that ride op is the kind of first world pain that makes you regret having cedar point as your home park.
As a guy who really likes B&M, I can say that even the B&M over the shoulder restraints are better than RMC lap bars lol
Shin guards aren't great, but way better than a horse collar otsr.
okay, I love the restraints on RMCs and don't find them uncomfortable. Yeah, they aren't as good as B&M Gigas, or give the crazy airtime experience of just a buzz bar, but with how extreme the rides are I don't think they could get away with just a thigh restraint.
On the comfort side, I have only ridden two, (Steve and Storm Chaser) but found them fine. Especially since I have also felt them done WRONG. Chance Rides' first "Mini Hyper" model at Kentucky Kingdom has nearly identical restraints to RMC, and you can directly compare because there's an RMC in the same park. The difference is, Chance's restraints were pure pain for me, beating up my shins and thighs with every airtime moment like you're describing with RMC.
Interesting!
I'm sorry, they ruined a lot of beautiful wooden coasters......
But made them even better
Intamin just better
How DARE you be mean to baby wildcat
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@@Coaster_Critic you do know who I am
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I disagree with the “you love rmc” statement. I don’t. Too many issues and their trains are beyond painful for me. Way too many times trying to ride SV and Lightning Rod early on plus the trains just put a bad taste in my mouth. Will I still ride each new design, yes because I love coasters, but I hate having to brave for the worst on their rides.
Interesting! I know pretty much everyone loves RMC, so I added that to the video haha
Their coasters are repetitive is an subjective argument not worth arguing. Twenty seconds later: in my opinion their restraints and cars are amongst the worst in the world
Subjective opinion and general consensus are two different things. It's why in the beginning of the video, I stressed that most people love RMC.