people love to say "its not canon 😫" these days like just watch or read it thinking both are different like for some reason that is hard for people to understand
@BreezO. To be fair, that's the case more with Super, not DB and Z. The anime adapted the manga for those, whereas Super is two almost completely different versions with the anime and manga.
another one is that, in the manga, we don't get the whole "acumulating energy in your back" thing. they just train off-camera to help Caulifla get her super saiyan form
Funny thing is that Toriyama wrote the tingly back and usually what's in his notes, ends up in both versions. Either Toyotaro saw the backlash it got and decided not to ever bring it up, or he hated it as much as everyone else. 😂
@@GuiltlessGear you mean a funny thing that Dragonball, an action comedy might do I'm gonna expand on this cause it wasn't about flexing a muscle but accumulating ki in a spot until it felt like it burst.
I think it's good to have two different variants. Sometimes the manga improves on things the anime missed on. I'd imagine it might be similar when the anime returns to adapt the Moro arc, etc.
@thomasshepherd8909 That's not true. The manga came out first, two weeks before the anime did. Many people don't realise that the manga originally started off as a promotion for the anime. It was only as it went on. It became its own thing.
I actually kinda like what anime kale had(hot take I know, but hear me out) broly had a similar problem, both characters have overwhelming abilities that are nearly uncontrollable, maybe to compensate for such power their bodies develop mental instabilities to make them more passive to keep them from exploding
My head canon is that the universe 6 saiyans are actually hybrids 1000s of years ago they went threw a extinction event and had children with other human like aliens and now they are just hybrids which explain there strength and the not having tails
Well no, cabbe said that they used to have tails but they didn't need them which implies they were stronger than their ape form so they no longer needed the tails
Mine is a bit different. U7 Saiyans were used as an extermination force to wipe out planets they knew ahead of time, they could conquer. This meant for hundreds of years, Saiyans weren't really challenged outside of a few set of circumstances so their powers never grew as rapidly as the modern Saiyans, who are constantly knocking on Death's Door. Meanwhile, U6 Saiyans are Galactic Heroes who are constantly putting their lives on the line to protect their universe from threats. This means their race has been in far more life-or-death battles that pushed them to the brink and accelerated their growth much quicker because they were most likely taking on enemies far stronger than them, forcing them to evolve much faster.
U7 Saiyan's are weaker due to them relying on their great ape forms instead of their base forms. Everytime they conquer a planet they do so as apes there are a few times they don't do so.
Why did Kale respect Caulifla if she literally hid her power from her to keep from hurting her ego like Trunks thought he was with Vegeta in the Cell Saga
To Kale, Caulifla saved her and the other girls when they were younger, by taking them in. So, to Kale, Caulifla is the strongest in her mind, hence Kale refused to show her power out of respect to that belief.
I just had a cool idea. What if during the TOP there was a plot twist where the saiyans from a different universe were in a universe where Baby from GT took it over and reveals that when Baby is about to gain control of a Zeno?
The reason why anime and manga is different (outside of fillers)is because toei might either have parts of the story or parts of the story changed in the manga and back in the day the anime was ahead of the manga
When I first watched Dragon ball Super, I was very surprised at everything, especially when Kale appeared, I went " A fucking female Brolly!?" I couldn't get over that for a long while, haha
she was cooler in the manga, seemed like a whiny baby in the anime that wanted people to feel sorry for her a complete butchery of her character/personality
I'd like it also point out none of the universe 6 saiyans seems to achieve ssj2 in the manga, caulifla, kale, kefla and cabba all use the standard ssj form in the manga top
@@melvondrewhite2674 No, it isn't. Rather, by what standard? The guy who created the entire series said otherwise. What is your metric by which the anime is more canon?
I also never got why people hate the back thing it makes sense they are literally evolved sayains they probably know their body better than goku and vegeta do and can feel small alterations in it that allow for easier transformation
I really like a lot of the changes made in the manga. It may be less flashy or cinematic, but from a storytelling standpoint, I think it works a lot better. Like the way the Jiren was handled in the manga vs the anime. Master Roshi giving Goku one final lesson that helps make everything click and unlock Ultra Instinct. Even the Goku Black arcs changes were good.
Wasn't it always a thing? They both add in their little things, it happens across languages too. Like how Gohan started ripping apart cell juniors in the manga, instead of having them poof like in the anime
@IbrahimSyed-oh8zv Super is a different case. It doesn't follow the manga. DB and Z adapted Toriyama's DB manga. It only changed a few things. The Gohan thing you mentioned was just censored. The Super anime and manga went in almost completely different directions.
The anime is just for marketing toys while the manga wants to tell a good story while making characters more interesting. Honest to god the Manga of DBS makes me wish I didnt watch parts of the anime. Everyone bitches about "ultra instinct master roshi" but that's one goddamn scene, and Jiren most definitely held back on him. But I would take manga DBS any day over Anime DBS. Especially since the Anime did Vegeta so dirty in every arc compared to how the manga treated him like his own character.
The Trunks arc was better in the manga. This arc was better in the anime, except for a few things like this. The manga also didn't have that awesome Blue Kaioken moment against Hit.
@@jasonone8726 because once she looses control she eliminates half of the tournament and she never regains her sences, she's forced to fuse so Caulifla can get her power. Without Caulifla stopping her and teaming up before together choosing to fuse like in the anime
@@husariuspl117 How is that being handled terribly? We know that was a form she couldn't control, just like Broly, plus it was her job to eliminate the other universes, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.
I’m telling y’all the manga and anime is two separate timelines of the same story
You wouldn't believe the amount of people unaware of that.
@@amon-zero 99% of Dragonball fans even 20 years later
@@amon-zerowait what 😂😂
people love to say "its not canon 😫" these days like just watch or read it thinking both are different like for some reason that is hard for people to understand
@BreezO. To be fair, that's the case more with Super, not DB and Z. The anime adapted the manga for those, whereas Super is two almost completely different versions with the anime and manga.
I think the anime messed up. With Kale and Caulifa.
Yeah, some things could've been a lot better
Agreed
The anime came before the manga
The characters were cool but their transformations were trash
@@megyyhthe fuck you mean?
another one is that, in the manga, we don't get the whole "acumulating energy in your back" thing. they just train off-camera to help Caulifla get her super saiyan form
Somehow, that’s better.
Funny thing is that Toriyama wrote the tingly back and usually what's in his notes, ends up in both versions. Either Toyotaro saw the backlash it got and decided not to ever bring it up, or he hated it as much as everyone else. 😂
@@jasonone8726toyotarou probably just didnt brought that up because he saw the anime getting hate for it😭
@MjreditsNEVER
@Mjreditsman, fuck jesus, bot
The tingly back also wasn't in the manga, including Caulifla going SSJ2.
that "flex this muscle in your back" bullshit to go super saiyan ruined me. its the kind of thing you put in a 4koma.
@@GuiltlessGear you mean a funny thing that Dragonball, an action comedy might do
I'm gonna expand on this cause it wasn't about flexing a muscle but accumulating ki in a spot until it felt like it burst.
@Mjreditsamen
Yeah I think it's funny that people still try and compare the two, they already said they going a different path than the manga.
I think it's good to have two different variants. Sometimes the manga improves on things the anime missed on. I'd imagine it might be similar when the anime returns to adapt the Moro arc, etc.
It’s the other way round. The anime came before the manga, so it’s the manga that’s decided to go down a different path, not the anime
@thomasshepherd8909 That's not true. The manga came out first, two weeks before the anime did. Many people don't realise that the manga originally started off as a promotion for the anime. It was only as it went on. It became its own thing.
@@jasonone8726 the anime started coming out earlier since the manga didn't have enough chapters to adapt from
I actually kinda like what anime kale had(hot take I know, but hear me out) broly had a similar problem, both characters have overwhelming abilities that are nearly uncontrollable, maybe to compensate for such power their bodies develop mental instabilities to make them more passive to keep them from exploding
Yeah 👍 if anything, the Manga did it wrong
They really did universe 6 dirty in the anime
No They Didn’t , They Were Done Perfectly & Kefla Is The QUEEN OF ALL SAIYANS !!! 👑
@@melvondrewhite2674frrr
@@melvondrewhite2674Cap.
Not really
My head canon is that the universe 6 saiyans are actually hybrids 1000s of years ago they went threw a extinction event and had children with other human like aliens and now they are just hybrids which explain there strength and the not having tails
Well no, cabbe said that they used to have tails but they didn't need them which implies they were stronger than their ape form so they no longer needed the tails
Mine is a bit different. U7 Saiyans were used as an extermination force to wipe out planets they knew ahead of time, they could conquer. This meant for hundreds of years, Saiyans weren't really challenged outside of a few set of circumstances so their powers never grew as rapidly as the modern Saiyans, who are constantly knocking on Death's Door.
Meanwhile, U6 Saiyans are Galactic Heroes who are constantly putting their lives on the line to protect their universe from threats. This means their race has been in far more life-or-death battles that pushed them to the brink and accelerated their growth much quicker because they were most likely taking on enemies far stronger than them, forcing them to evolve much faster.
Well too bad your head canon is just wrong and makes no sense.
U7 Saiyan's are weaker due to them relying on their great ape forms instead of their base forms. Everytime they conquer a planet they do so as apes there are a few times they don't do so.
@@samburgerwithcheeze8145 You know it was a difference in evolution right? Not cause of over reliance.
Why did Kale respect Caulifla if she literally hid her power from her to keep from hurting her ego like Trunks thought he was with Vegeta in the Cell Saga
probably has more to do with their past than the present
To Kale, Caulifla saved her and the other girls when they were younger, by taking them in. So, to Kale, Caulifla is the strongest in her mind, hence Kale refused to show her power out of respect to that belief.
@@amon-zero the anime really ruined this entirely and just made kale look like a crybaby what a waste of a character
@@hotdog5927I'll admit that I largely prefer the manga Kale lol
@@hotdog5927No , The Anime Did It Right . The Manga Did Them Wrong & Messed Up The Entire Thing .. The Anime Is Superior & Always Has Been .
I like that she controls her berserk form later on in the anime. It gave the idea of Broly doing it too which it happened later in the manga as well
I always wondered why Caulifla was leading a Biker Gang.
Meanwhile Manga Cauli has a Robinhood type troupe with her
I like kale being more shy
The anime messed up kale so bad that everyone just saw her and caulifla as lesbians. She admired her because she sees her as a sister
I like both manga and the anime versions
Thanks for telling us this because now I like the manga version better.
I mean, I like shy girls, but the manga seems to have more depth.
I never thought I'd see not only a women fighter but a buff women in db
There's been woman fighters since OG Dragon Ball☠️ did bro only watch DB: Super?😭
@@-Devoid-literally 😭 chichi fought in one of the tournaments
I just had a cool idea. What if during the TOP there was a plot twist where the saiyans from a different universe were in a universe where Baby from GT took it over and reveals that when Baby is about to gain control of a Zeno?
The reason why anime and manga is different (outside of fillers)is because toei might either have parts of the story or parts of the story changed in the manga and back in the day the anime was ahead of the manga
When I first watched Dragon ball Super, I was very surprised at everything, especially when Kale appeared, I went " A fucking female Brolly!?" I couldn't get over that for a long while, haha
Back in the day I wished for (official) female Super Saiyans. Not that we got them I could not be more disappointed.
I think aspects of the manga like Cabba vs Cauliflower is better, but most of Kale’s anime portrayal is better, along with her Berserk form.
No it ain't. Kale acting possessive and creepy is just wrong.
she was cooler in the manga, seemed like a whiny baby in the anime that wanted people to feel sorry for her a complete butchery of her character/personality
Nah, Kale transforming and attacking anyone who Caulifla gave attention to was cringe and possessive behaviour. 😂
Correct , The Anime Is FAR BETTER Than The Manga ! 💯👏🏽
@@melvondrewhite2674no it ain't 💀
I'd like it also point out none of the universe 6 saiyans seems to achieve ssj2 in the manga, caulifla, kale, kefla and cabba all use the standard ssj form in the manga top
Hey man
Whatup
Other things: Caulifla didn' unlock the Ssj2 in the manga unlike the anime and Kale SsjL isn't buffed like Broly
Hers is TLSS when she's in the green haired form before califla fusion.
It upsets me so much why the characters in the anime and the monga are so different
The anime and manga just followed Toriyama's plot points and add their own stuff.
@@jasonone8726the manga follows Toriyama's outline more closely though, according to Toriyama himself.
@@passingrando6457 Oh wait, yeah, you're right.
@@passingrando6457 The Amine Is More Cannon Than The Manga .
@@melvondrewhite2674 No, it isn't. Rather, by what standard? The guy who created the entire series said otherwise. What is your metric by which the anime is more canon?
People forget anime not only did Kale control her ss form but surpassed her berserk form with TLSS.
Whats the music in your vids?
I also never got why people hate the back thing it makes sense they are literally evolved sayains they probably know their body better than goku and vegeta do and can feel small alterations in it that allow for easier transformation
Kale manga 🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 i love her in manga she feel nature real, confident, and act loyal, respect for the caulfe and not creepy Annoying.
Definitely
Kale got done dirty in the anime
I wish we got more with them. I feel like a lot of the hate they got was because of just how rushed their development was
Unrelated to the main topic but did I see a Baby controlled Caulifla and Kale in this video?
Man if the manga and anime switched the anime would be better honestly don’t sleep on manga kale especially in berserk
I really like a lot of the changes made in the manga. It may be less flashy or cinematic, but from a storytelling standpoint, I think it works a lot better.
Like the way the Jiren was handled in the manga vs the anime. Master Roshi giving Goku one final lesson that helps make everything click and unlock Ultra Instinct.
Even the Goku Black arcs changes were good.
Damn Caulifla and Kale sound so much better in the manga. The Super anime really is just fanfic fanservice with no thought put into it.
0.0 I'm assuming Baby Possessed Kale and Califa is some Time Patrol shenanigans.
character wise Manga Kale beats Anime Kale but the manga kinda screwed all 3 U6 Saiyans by the Tournament imo
it was more realistic imo
Bro be more quiet i wanna hear the music
Another thing is that they are likable
So we not gonna talk about how cabba's face and eyebrows change in ssj
I guess his eyebrows get stronger
Good cause we got more forms in Dragon Ball Sparking Zero now. 😅😅😅
Okay so i will like them better in the Manga then in the anime i never knew this i did start reading the manga so i gotta get to the T.O.P
I love caulifla and kale and kefla
I hate how the universe 6 saiyans are so skinny.
Baby Kale and Baby Caulifla?
Wait...the anime isn't manga canon?
They both are
Not in some cases, they've always done stuff differently
Kale is more interesting in the manga
Kales singular bent super saiyan bang always annoys me
Why? A lot of characters have that.
@@jasonone8726 they don't have a bang that bends down then to the side. It looks bad
@@AnkleGremlin Can't someone have a hair feature in this series that looks different? 😂
@@jasonone8726 only if it doesn't look stupid
@@AnkleGremlin It's not. 😆
I HATE amine Kale but Manga Kale I actually respect
I dont like manga kale since it feels like she just exists to speed up the T.O.P
In the manga goku never goes ui to fight kefla
Hate these lame saiyans just given random reasons to be OP wish they made Cabba more important
Cabba is less interesting than Kale and Caulifa. They made him a Vegeta d rider😂
Every like this comment gets I’ll eat one donut 🍩
Please don't. Your health is important
Get to eating
Two different types of people
Why they had to change everything...
Why the fuck are they changing it so much from the Manga? Since when is that a thing?
Wasn't it always a thing? They both add in their little things, it happens across languages too. Like how Gohan started ripping apart cell juniors in the manga, instead of having them poof like in the anime
The anime never changed anything. It was ahead of the manga. Both versions just follow Toriyama's simple plot points and then add their own stuff.
@IbrahimSyed-oh8zv Super is a different case. It doesn't follow the manga. DB and Z adapted Toriyama's DB manga. It only changed a few things. The Gohan thing you mentioned was just censored. The Super anime and manga went in almost completely different directions.
The Amine Is 1000000% Better Than The Manga Anyway . 💯
So does kefla not exist in manga cuz how could she if kale can't go super without berserking or it some only when she fuses Caulifla they can
I have a question, why super saiyan is write ssj where is the j?
can we hust agree that kale and caulifla are gay and thats fine with the fans?
Why did they turn in to baby for a clip
So what I’m hearing is manga is better
Girl is not beating the lesbian allegations
i felt the same way.
it sends tons of that kind of energy and its so out of place in this anime... extremely out of place.
Manga Kale is so much cooler
Manga kale is as strong as broly
After all kefla loses to the shit gohan from super
And that Shit Gohan been an Ultimate super saiyans for years
Kefla BODIES Gohan In Anime . 😂💪🏽
@@melvondrewhite2674I will spank you
Not on page anyway
Lake is a lot cooler in the manga
The anime is just for marketing toys while the manga wants to tell a good story while making characters more interesting.
Honest to god the Manga of DBS makes me wish I didnt watch parts of the anime. Everyone bitches about "ultra instinct master roshi" but that's one goddamn scene, and Jiren most definitely held back on him.
But I would take manga DBS any day over Anime DBS. Especially since the Anime did Vegeta so dirty in every arc compared to how the manga treated him like his own character.
What the hel1 is this lol
Base canna is weaker the base califa
It's just monkey waifu
Some were better
Would
So the anime is just a shitty version of the manga
The Trunks arc was better in the manga. This arc was better in the anime, except for a few things like this. The manga also didn't have that awesome Blue Kaioken moment against Hit.
@@jasonone8726 ohh ok ok
Dragonball z.
Is peak
Manga Kale is handled terribly.
Because she's not posseive and transforms over anyone who Caulifla gives attention to? 😂
@@jasonone8726 because once she looses control she eliminates half of the tournament and she never regains her sences, she's forced to fuse so Caulifla can get her power. Without Caulifla stopping her and teaming up before together choosing to fuse like in the anime
@@husariuspl117 How is that being handled terribly? We know that was a form she couldn't control, just like Broly, plus it was her job to eliminate the other universes, so I'm not sure why you brought that up.
@@jasonone8726 Kale Is The *QUEEN OF ALL SAIYANS* 👑
@@melvondrewhite2674 false NGL... baby pan solos 😹
Universe 6 sayins are hot garbage
In the anime. This is about the manga. 😂
Vegeta Is Hot Garbage . 💯🔥
@@melvondrewhite2674nobody mentioned vegeta
@@oli3374 Doesn’t Matter You Started The Disrespect To The Universe 6 Saiyans & I’m Disrespecting The Universe 7 FAKE Prince . 😂
@@melvondrewhite2674 okay? Vegeta still was never mentioned you are just upset people don't glaze universe 6 😭
Heck Base manga kale was hurting Golden Frieza