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Brodie the Coyotes lease was up in Glendale. They did not get evicted. Glendale offered a long lease the Coyotes rejected it. Glendale is too far out. Glendale would not offer a short term lease. So it was hard to stay in Glendale.
The NHL appears to be replicating a Cleveland Browns strategy. Move to another market. Wait until a new stadium is built, return to the original city with a new team, same name.
@@ChampaBayBeast No chance re. another MLB team in Oakland, It'll be considered part of the Giants territory now. Nashville Charlotte, SLC, Vegas. Sac (if Vegas falls through for the A's) is where new MLB teams would go.
12:00 I asked some Arizona fans on Reddit. They said they would rather keep the team BUT if the team leaves and they get a new team, they want the current ownership to have no part in it, which is honestly fair.
That would only be True if Arizona stole the Winnipeg Jets, but that wasn't the case, the Jets ownership decided to move and the Jets and Coyotes fans had no control over it.
@@adamgt4037Jets ownership went broke Shenkarow didn’t want to move but the stadium was too small and he became a Crystal Palace Simon Jordan type figure in Winnipeg (a guy who tried and cared but just couldn’t keep a club afloat in 90’s Canada)
As a former season ticketholder and PA announcer of the HARTFORD WHALERS, I totally empathize with the fans of the Coyotes. We lost our team in 1997 because our two time convicted felon, Governor John Rowland sacrificed the Whale in order to pursue the Patriots. Obviously, he lost both. Gary Bettman loves big markets. The NHL will eventually return to Auston Matthews' home state. That will be Bettman's swan song before he finally, belatedly retires. (Thank God!)
Theres other even bigger and better markets though. Like Houston and Atlanta. I tend to think Coyotes might move to Houston. SLC is a pretty small market and in Avs territory dont see the NHL wanting to stay there. Smaller than Nashville and in a state and area with low population. Houston or Atlanta should have teams. Atlanta could be Nashville times 2 in total fans.
I live in Nottingham (England), home of the Nottingham Panthers EIHL team, we have an arena that has a capacity of 6500 for hockey games, it's regularly been sold out over the years since it opened, it blew my mind to realise that my local team would have MORE fans attending than an actual NHL team could have!!
it's been blowing our minds how low level those games have looked in that building. lol There's shadows on the ice during a televised game and some of the walls are literally curtains to make the spaces for teams. It's been a joke for years now and time it was dealt with.
@@algrundau9441 yep and that's not biggest crowd, our local rivals in Sheffield (think Philadelphia / Pittsburgh kind of rivalry) have a bigger arena, their biggest crowd was just about 9500.
Winnipegger here. Was a fan from the very beginning - the 1972 WHA Jets. It broke my heart when they left for Phoenix. I feel the same way now for the fans of the team. I don't get the people celebrating (except for SLC. I totally get them celebrating). Much love to all those fans who are going through all the emotions right now. I feel for you guys.
It's been 27 seasons (26 played) since the Original Winnipeg Jets moved to Arizona... The KC Scouts (2)/Colorado Rockies (6) got 19 combined less seasons before moving to NJ finally The California Golden Seals (9)/Cleveland Barons (2) got 16 less combined seasons combined before being essentially folded into the Minnesota North Stars. Atlanta based teams had 8 less combined seasons (Flames 8, Thrashers 11) before moving to Calgary & Winnipeg. The Minnesota North Stars had 2 less seasons (24) before the Sharks were created (an expansion, yes, but it was pretty much the Sharks getting the Seals Franchise in essence) and the same number of played seasons before moving to Texas due to the same struggles and Norm Green's dalliances (and a few other things) The Original Winnipeg Jets and Quebec Nordiques had 16 and 17 NHL seasons before moving due to the depressed Canadian dollar and contracts being all based in USD The Hartford Whalers had 18 seasons before moving since in spite of a lot of controversy surrounding the pre-move state of affairs. Draw your own conclusions.
There are a number of other factors to consider to the facts you have presented. Aside from the Thrashers, the Scouts, Seals, Barons, Flames and Rockies all pre-date Gary Bettman's arrival in the NHL. Norm Green's questionable practices also pre-date Bettman's appointment as Commissioner. In the case of the relocations of the three former WHA teams, they were all casualties of a League that had not only been subverted by a bunch of New York lawyers, but also an unfavorable CBA in which the owners failed to obtain a salary cap. Players' salaries continued to escalate out of control until a decade later, when nearly two-thirds of the League's owners advised Mr. Bettman that the money-losing simply could not continue.
Nordiques was not a financial issue. Owner was a plain and simple douche. That's why Lindros refused to play for the team. This is why Quebec City is high on the list for expansion.
@@masternilocalso, Nordiques ownership wanted a salary cap established wich Bettman said, no, you’re too small of a market move along. Funny enough, salary cap was established a few years later. With salary cap and hockey revenues redistribution in place nowadays, the Nordiques would had done great. They even have a brand new state of the art arena wich seats 18,000 people, something that even Salt Lake City doesn’t have…
The difference between them and the Coyotes is that none of those other teams were the pet project of the NHL Commissioner. The Coyotes trace their origin directly back to Bettman, who proudly and confidently declared that he would be the one to bring hockey to the desert. For the Coyotes to be exiled from Arizona will be the ultimate black mark on Bettman's tenure as Commissioner, and it's likely he'll never be able to show his face around the other franchise owners again after trying so desperately to save his baby and still failing in the end. Simply put, the end of the Coyotes is the end of Bettman's career, and he knows it, hence why he's willing to do anything short of sacrificing his firstborn to keep the Yotes in Arizona.
We don’t care to have a new Coyotes team in a few years. We finally have a young talented team that we’ve been waiting for for years and now we are losing them?! Getting a new group does not make me feel any better. Having our team keep the Coyotes name and move to Utah would make me feel better! It’s not about the name or the logo, it’s the players.
Totally agree with you. I'm so attached to these players lol!! As much as I want a team in the desert, I want to see what happens with them and the team more.
Agreed! I don't care about getting the Coyotes back a few years down the road if it's an expansion team - I want to keep Clayton Keller and Josh Doan and Dylan Guenther and everyone in our pipeline
The difference is Winning had a team and all infrastructure waiting. In this case the league is laundering the team to another city with nothing really established while paying off previous owner to the tune of millions all with the loose promise of maybe returning
@@LargeOhioSon Salt Lake isn't that unestablished for hockey. The NBA Jazz owner has been trying to bring the NHL to Salt Lake for more than 2 years now and the Jazz arena hosted skating sports back when Salt Lake had the Winter Olympics. It's a much better fit than playing in a 5,000 seat arena for another 3 to 4 years.
It is nothing like the Atlanta Thrashers. Atlanta Spirit Group, the owners of the Thrashers, never wanted the team but reluctantly took them because it was the only way to get what they wanted, the Atlanta Hawks and the rights to Philips Arena, and both teams were included in the sale as a package. ASG deliberately made it where no one willing to keep the team in Atlanta would be able to, nor were they seriously looking at local buyers. They wanted the relocation money. The Coyotes, on the other hand, seem to have a committed owner, but the municipal authorities and residents are thwarting the Coyotes organization at every turn. Atlanta also had much better attendance and were well supported until the last year when rumors began to fly of their departure (Oakland As similarity). The Atlanta area doesn't have the same resistance that Phoenix has. They have two committed potential ownerships with arena plans and municipal and county backing, and the funding was agreed to over a few months span. It is why Atlanta is likely to be back in the league by 2027.
@@LargeOhioSonsalt Lake has an arena that will work for hockey temporarily. They have played multiple preseason NHL games there. The sight lines aren’t perfect, but it’s infinitely better than mullet
In other words they were too cheap to pay the rent. They were also bottom of the league in attendance as well. The team sucked so can’t blame fans for that. It is kind of amusing that they now can afford to buy land and build a new arena. Yet they couldn’t agree on the rent in Glendale and also didn’t want to spend money to make the team competitive.
Yeah so weird how Glendale wanted the poverty franchise who missed rent payments to commit to long term deals. I wonder why the poverty franchise didn't commit to a 15 year deal...
Glendale is a poverty franchise in and of itself. Enjoy your 16 event calendar of tractor pulls, demolition derbies, Ice Capades, and whatever else the Desert Dumpster can scrounge up...Glendale tried to strongarm the hockey team, and the team balked...
I feel bad for being excited, as a Utah hockey fan. 2028 is a long way away and the thought of being able to go see NHL games like an hour from my apartment as early as this fall is genuinely a thrill. At the exact same time, my heart hurts for the fans in Arizona. This team has literally had arena woes for most of my adult life. They deserve better and I was happy for them when it looked like the land auction was just a formality and the team finally got the break they needed. Hopefully the talk of Meruelo getting first dibs on expansion if he can get the arena situation figured out is true. I want EVERY good fanbase to be well-served. (They're almost all good fanbases to be frank, even low attendance isn't always reflective of poor fan support.)
Don't feel bad, think about how fans in Winnipeg felt when they left in 97. The original jets were a far bigger part of the community than the yotes ever were like by a factor of 100x
@realalbertan I felt bad for them, too. It's not a zero-sum game. I hate ANY time hockey fans get screwed over. Edit: Rereplied because I was logged in under the wrong channel. Oops.
@@FischerFan Uh no, don't believe that. This is a bait and switch so Smith can get a new arena for the Jazz and the NHL will be gone in a few years. Not enough fans hockey fans here to support an NHL team, we can barely keep a minor league team here.
The problem with Mullett Arena was that the Tempe deal failed. It may have worked as a 1-2 year home while a new barn was definitely being built (similar to teams in other sports who temporarily move to an older or smaller venue while their permanent home is built), but when the Tempe deal fell through and there was no viable exit strategy, the team would have been best off begging Glendale to let them in, because the Gila River Arena was (when I last went there like 10 years ago) a perfectly acceptable NHL level venue. Not the best in the league but certainly not the worst.
Thank you for making such a great piece on the Yotes! I'm a lifelong fan, born and raised in AZ, and it really sucks to see this happen. It means a lot as a fan to see someone outside of AZ report on this with some compassion and understanding. We've dealt with some terrible owners and lots of haters, but this is different. This really hurts our community and our state. You nailed it with the "Community First" until it comes down to business. Thanks again, Brodie!
I believe the Utah branding applies only to MLB. That stadium project is a statewide tax. The downtown entertainment center is funded through a city wide tax.
Salt Lake is really pushing to get another Winter Olympics so there is the need/desire to build a large hockey arena for that. In fact, the IOC is visiting Salt Lake this week as part of the Olympic bid process. The SLC area has the 12,600 seat Maverik Center where their ECHL team plays, there's the Delta Center that can have an ice rink (and could host other Olympic events such as figure skating) and another large arena could make their bid even more successful. So, the NHL could see the future is brighter in SLC even if the Delta Center isn't the ideal hockey venue in the short-term.
To me, it doesn’t feel awful. When the board of governors, the PA, and others all voice their concerns and whatnot (especially about playing in mullett arena for possibly 3 more years), theres only so much bettman can do for advocating to have hockey in Arizona before having to admitting defeat
@brodiebrazil what was the other option though? It feels like they were forced to take the interim path. They were getting kicked out of their old venue and mullet was their only option. They could only have so many failed plans before a move was bound to happen. It does suck for the fans though 100%
I've watched you on the Sharks broadcasts, the Sharks have a great broadcast team. This Vancouver fan always thought San Jose was the best fan-based team in Cali. From expansion the arena was packed, the brand was loved by NHL cities. Tough times today in the cyclical world of sports, but the Sharks to me were Cali's hockey hot spot!
The damage done to the franchise happened long before the current owner. He at least appears to have the money to make the team work if they get the stadium thing worked out. As a Canadian who lived through the near destruction of Canadian hockey across all the former WHA markets, including almost losing the Oilers to Houston, I have mixed feelings about these former Canadian franchises. I used to really dislike the Coyotes because they were grabbed from Winnipeg in a moment of business weakness not fan disinterest. But as I have gotten older I have come to understand both the business side and the fan side from the Phoenix area perspective. Those fans of the team as you said did nothing wrong other than get constantly screwed over with bad owners making terrible choices. And like Winnipeg are the losers here. It took Winnipeg 16 years to get a team back, Quebec City will likely never get another one. And for that I am sad for them and it feels unfair. However Phoenix can be a functioning hockey market just as viable as the one in Dallas, Nashville, San Jose (if you exclude the current issues), LA and Vegas. Some good teams, long term success and maybe a cup here and there and you can survive and thrive in these markets. I think in this case you HAVE to move the franchise but keep the team and name in Phoenix (Metro) maybe get the owner to get his stuff sorted on the arena and come back hopefully stronger than ever.
The difficult thing for the coyotes in Arizona is that they had to compete with the other local major league teams and college programs for support, a fight they unfortunately lost
you have to be kidding - this current owner has been 24X7 gong show - that is what pisses me off - he is going to end up making $600 mill off of this - he was a terrible owner - life is not fair all the time
It's tragic. We suffer through years of inept ownership only to have an incredible team of young talent we all love and you're gonna move em to Utah where they will finally be a playoff team and probably win 1st overall in the draft lottery. At least Phoenix is amazing because being a sports fan here is not.
I am a firm believer that hockey will work anywhere and grow under the right conditions. Had the NHL not come to San Jose in the early 1990s when I was growing up there, I would not have become a hockey fan. The "right conditions" are a modern arena, competent ownership group, effective community outreach and marketing, and the on-ice product. The Yotes have had a difficult existence with nearly none of those conditions over the years; instead years of itinerant uncertainty and unending drama. I feel for the Coyotes fans who have stuck through all this BS through the years enduring "hockey the hard way" and hope they will get a new version of their team under better circumstances. As for Utah, Ryan Smith and Co. better have a solid game plan to open their new SLC arena. Delta Center would be an America West Arena style beginning to the market with basketball-specific (Barclays) sightlines, generally awful. They need to minimize their stay in that building or perhaps work out a deal to play at Maverik Center in WVC where the capacity is lower but at least more appropriate for hockey.
Don’t be ridiculous. Maverick Center is too small. You can’t play major league hockey in a barn with only 12,600 seats, even if it’s only for a few years. Oh, wait, never mind.
Right on. Bay Area didn't have "hockey fans" before the Sharks came, the Sharks created "hockey fans". I wouldn't care about hockey if the Sharks didn't exist.
With regards to the impact on hockey itself in the Phoenix area. There is an NCAA division 1 hockey team in town. College hockey is vastly underrated. The Sun Devils should be supported.
If the Rattlers of the Indoor Football league worked out a deal with Glendale, the Yotes must have really irritated a lot of people in the valley for no one to step up and help. Glendale doesn't want them, downtown said no, Tempe said no, the Scottsdale Mayor has no interest.
That was the kicker with Tempe - the citizens were voting against _specifically the Coyotes_ being in Tempe, not against having a hockey team in general. After seeing the way that franchise has been run like an absolute circus, they firmly and decisively declared that they wanted that clown show nowhere near their town. Add even the slightest modicum of competence to the ownership and management of that team, and I have a feeling that vote might have had quite a different outcome.
@@MisterVercetti Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before. You would expect some solution, you know like the Rattlers. It didn't work out downtown, but hey you can play in Glendale. With the Coyotes it's every leader, city, citizens, and venues that are against it.
You can't say that the NHL hasn't given the Coyotes ample time to work out a new arena deal over the years, but I can totally understand why the NHL is losing its patience with this situation as it has gone on now for so long. I feel for the Coyotes' fans who have supported this team through thick and thin because they have been through so much undertaintly.
I feel bad for the franchise, just so many things have happened from Winnipeg to now. I understand people are saying what about Quebec, Atlanta, (insert at least 3 other locations), but the move to Utah makes sense with divisional alignment, it's a quick and easy thing. Also the league is making 2 versions of the next season schedule, it just makes sense for the league to have a back up plan. Maybe Utah gets the Coyotes short term as a way to find out if there is the hockey market they want. A "trial period" to see if they can get a season ticket base/corporate base while the arena is built in Scottsdale would be a unique situation
They should do their due diligence before moving to SLC. It is the Jazz owner trying to get money for a new arena for his team and then the hockey team will be sold once again. We won't be able to bring in enough fans to keep the NHL team , we can just barely keep an ECHL team afloat here so this is a bait and switch move. Bad idea.
@@masterniloc Uh no, the franchise has just barely held on by going to the ECHL because attendance was so bad in the early 2000's. That's not something to brag about and it certainly won't bring in the number of fans needed for a successful NHL franchise. This is only for the Jazz owner to get a new stadium for the NBA and help with SLC's latest Olympic bid. Give it a couple of years and the team will be sold again. SLC isn't the right place for an NHL team.
I fully agree.. this feels like the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens situation redone in NHL clothes.. just like the browns, just as things are starting to look like they have a new venue.. teams relocation... I think part of the Yotes problem is so many here are not natives (yes, I'm in the Valley)... they are transplants from other parts of the country. Like myself, I have a team that I love from when I grew up and I have not replaced that loyalty (even if they have forgotten what playoffs are).. I just get sick of teams not happy with their venues... when I was a kid, playing in mullett would not even be more than a mention.. today, if it's not a cathedral.... they might as well be playing on a frozen pond.... and the NHL is not alone...
The other thing is, Phoenix is a bandwagon town. The Coyotes' problems started when they found that America West Arena (which was built for the Suns, and the ice rink was an afterthought) was never going to work, the planned replacement in SCOTTSDALE was shot down by the local pols, and they would up in Glendale nowhere near their fan base in the East Valley. (I lived in Mesa, and with the traffic, I would have to leave my home at 4:30 just to make it before a 7:30 faceoff.) The team started losing, and the only sellouts were when Chicago and Detroit came to town, and the barn would up being filled with folks who traveled or moved to AZ from those cities. (Much like what will happen to the A's in Lost Wages ... if they get there.)
@@kirkdooley8190 I can see that... though I live in the west valley and Gila River was not that far for me... but being a life long Sabres fan.. didn't matter.. and the new arena site is about the same distance for me. Scottsdale complains about it.. but they pretty much appear to be the ones keeping it out of scottsdale...
There are coyotes in Utah btw. Also, I think what freaked the league out was lack of specificity on that Scottsdale (north Phoenix) location. There is no way the Coyotes owner can develop that himself. Where are the partnerships?
I agree there are coyotes in Utah just like they are here in Bay Area California so 24-25 Utah Coyotes and allow the great hockey fans of the Salt Lake Area name them for 25-26 it’s not painful at all their fan base will triple with the team they have right now
@@azcardguy7825 He’s worth $2 billion. The development he’s planning is worth more than that. No way he can fund that himself. He’s not a multi billionaire like Kroenke or Ballmer. Also if he had so much money. Why did he get kicked out of Glendale in the first place?
Regarding the lack of fans - I have to think part of this is that the Coyotes have been threatened to move for upwards of 15 years (Remember, they were moving to Hamilton, Ontario in 2008)... And I think fans just didn't want to devote themselves to a team that seemed so certain to be moving.
I remember watching one of the Glendale City Council meetings and, as one lady, who was a Coyotes' supporter, stated, 'Our casual fan base is toast.'. There is no doubt that years of speculation of losing a team eventually take their toll on fan loyalty.
I’ve from Canada but have been to 3 games in Phx. 2 in Glendale and 1 at Mullett. I saw a lot of passionate and loyal fans. I also feel bad for them. If they do move it’s extra sad because they’re building such a great core with Schmaltz, Durzi, Guenther, Cooley, Doan, Keller, Moser, Ingram and many good prospects in the pipeline. They are on the verge of being a really great team.
They'll still be on the verge of being a good team when they're in Salt Lake. If anything, playing in front of an NHL sized crowd and being supported by good owners in a new city where everyone is going to be excited to see them will be an added bonus...look at how it worked out for Seattle in their first year, and Vegas.
the actual decision was made quickly but we cant forget they have been supported by the other teams in the league financially almost their whole existence, i love the kachina logo, its nostalgic for me.. same goes for the panthers as well though the only reason the discussion stopped was the team actually started performing. When florida stops playing well, the fans will go with it, thats the life of ice hockey in the south. Id see a game at Mullet if it was a realistic possibility for me on the east coast but i couldnt imagine wanting to spend the money for season tickets in that rink. People have been giving Winnipeg flak for their lower capacity arena and thats three times the size of Mullet and they fill their seats
This might be my emotions talking but as a coyotes fan I hope Meruelo doesn’t get an expansion team. He doesn’t deserve a team after selling out like this. He gave us all of this hope with the auction site and then turned around and sold the team. I would rather wait for a new owner with a new team name.
That isn't how it looks from outside Arizona, honestly. It seems to me, Meruelo exhausted all options and the opposition from Scottsdale is more of a critical blow than it might have sounded like upon first reports. The Meruelo group put all their eggs in that basket, but if Ortega can put his finger on the scales saying "this may be the biggest bid, but it is not the best for these reasons..." I'd be far more inclined to blame Ortega for torpedoing the effort. What's happening now just feels like Meruelo, the NHL, and Ryan Smith scrambling to adapt to a situation that changed radically, quickly.
@@GMPMHockey I don’t think the Scottsdale mayor had much to do with it because the land that they were buying was in the city limits of Phoenix. He wouldn’t have much say if an arena got built or not . Also, he did walk back his comments the next day . The ownership should’ve met with him and cleared up any concerns ahead of time .I do agree that they should have not put all of their eggs in one basket.
@@loffmanssportstalk7400 I thought in one of the recent videos it stated that Scottsdale DOES have to do with it because part of the construction of the arena would impact infrastructure in Scottsdale. They aren't directly the city, but they have some say
@@loffmanssportstalk7400 Since it's apparently right on the Phoenix / Scottsdale border, perhaps Meruelo did need the cooperation from Scottsdale, such as help with utilities or roads / traffic routes, to get the development right? Also, has the Phoenix mayor spoken publicly about what he thinks of this project? Maybe there's another development group who has a proposal both cities would prefer...?
As a preds fan the sad thing is the market is fine. The issue is incompetent ownership. If they could figure out how to win and just negotiate a stadium deal this team could contend. They have the cap and draft capital.
I’m sorry this isn’t on ownership this time this on the state of Arizona and just not caring about this team. The league wants to be there but they don’t so why stay?
Stability from the standpoint of ownership, fan support, arena, etc. has never been a trademark of the Coyotes. This franchise has also been the victim of its own lack of foresight, starting with the arena out in Glendale.
The owner has stated he would fund a new arena himself without tax dollars he just needs the land and Arizona refuses to give him any except for possibly the auction in June. The owner has tried and tried again but Arizona keeps refusing. This was not a owner issue.
The Phoenix metro area has **six** arenas of various sizes in various locations. If what is now the Footprint Center in downtown Phoenix had been designed to accommodate hockey, much of the current turmoil could possibly have been avoided. There's no blame here. Jerry Colangelo had gotten word that the NHL wasn't interested in expanding to Phoenix at that time, so built the new America West Arena to be the best possible basketball venue - and he succeeded. There are other possibilities outside of building a **seventh** (repeat, seventh) arena in metro Phoenix, if some support could be gathered. One possibility could be to patch things up with the city of Glendale, and move back into Desert Diamond Arena - a very nice venue. Another would be to replace Veterans Memorial Coliseum at the state fairgrounds in central Phoenix. The "Madhouse on McDowell" as the Coliseum was called when the Suns played there (before 1992) is pretty dilapidated. And a new arena and other improvements could help revitalize the fairgrounds.
They should have just moved to Ontario California or Coachella Valley until a new arena was built in the metro Phoenix area. Both of those areas are hosting hockey and they are easier for the fans to get there and they would build another fan base just like the New Orleans pelicans did when they played in OKC.
I wouldn’t want the Coyotes to comeback if Meruelo is an owner. For not talking to the fans about what is going on, he will be hated by our fanbase. If it is a new owner that brings a franchise back, I’d be more than happy to welcome it.
Not a yotes fan but I feel bad for their fans. NHL should have made up their mind on this team awhile ago. Now they’re probably leaving next week and their fans didn’t get their proper “final yotes” game of their life. Would hate my life if suddenly the sharks moved during the off season and I didn’t get to see them one last time.
Honestly, fans of the Coyotes and Phoenix as a whole should be thankful that the NHL is even handing them an olive branch to one day return to the league. After what has transpired since moving to the desert, I’m surprised the league has kept them there for so long. Although that might have more to do with Bettman’s ego than anything else
No, the State of Arizona has made it clear that they care more about not spending any money than anything else in this world. In spite of a couple of fairly big cities, most of this state is "red" and they fear spending a dime on anything. They apparently have no idea of the income sports franchises can bring in. So, mayor-loudmouth and his type can take all the credit in the world when the team leaves. I still can't believe that the State of Georgia is still given consideration after losing two hockey teams. For those of us who actually love hockey...screw the states that don't care. We don't care, either. Honestly, having watched the Arizona Coyotes (cool name, by the way) as they drafted some terrific players, only to end up trading them, selling them, taking on dead contracts. For the owner of the team, being forced to play in a stadium that holds around 46oo seats is a total joke. But then, the state couldn't care less if the team has money to pay its players. So, that's it. Now people in this state can return to chasing roadrunners down the highways...to nowhere. Brodie, you don't have to be so kind to these people. If bet0tin-man thought there was money to be made in this state, then the demographics had to line up-originally. But, when a state turns against a sports/the sport of hockey, then just leave!
We should be thankful to the NHL? The NHL has absolutely botched every single move with the coyotes. They should have moved them years ago and we could have had an expansion team a decade ago.
@@azcardguy7825yes you should be thankful, Bettman goes to cities that have supported their team for decades and threatens relocation and Arizona got treated with kid gloves forever. Honestly they should have left a decade ago and never come back
@@GenLeeConcepts Subsidizing billionaires by building sports stadiums is one place where I agree with the GOP. And sports stadiums are not good investments of public money. More people are catching on to that.
The unfortunate part that I don't think many realize is how hockey in Arizona impacted the league. I'll always say that Auston Matthews, the Leafs' first overall pick, plays in the NHL because of the Coyotes, because he was exposed to the game at an early age. So, I don't know how anyone can dismiss the 'Yotes as not a team to be taken seriously or whatever, in terms of off-ice impact.
This. One of the greatest American players of all time, one of the great goal scorers. He would not be playing hockey if the Yotes weren’t in Phoenix. It’s a better market than freakin Miami. It’s not their fault that the franchise has been poorly managed.
@@rizzorizzo2311i don't know that it's a better market than Miami. In other words, I think both markets are good, but I do agree management and ownership have both been issues for the 'Yotes.
Yea the people who say that they aren't taken seriously are either people from cities that also don't have a team but want one back such as Quebec city or are people that say hockey shouldn't be in warm weather climates. Like it's played in an arena wtf does climate have to do with it. With baseball ok that's a legit issue ( kinda ) of having a baseball team in Toronto where it does get cold in October should they still be playing baseball in October. But ok it gets cold in Milwaukee and Seattle & chicago in October also
As far as I understand this; The owner of the Coyotes would sell the team to the NHL not Salt lake. The NHL then sells the team to Ryan Smith and makes a 200million or so profit to be divided among the league owners after the NHL takes their cut. Coyotes team ownership then gets 5 years to establish infrastructure then can claim a franchise. What is not clear ; how much do they have to pay for the reclaiming of the Coyotes. Do they have to pay market value or just pay the exact price the NHL purchased the team for?
we've been hockey fans for over 50 years, and been to coyotes games and asu sun devils games this year at mullett , great college hockey venue , but certainly not big enough for nhl games , coyotes have a great nucleus of young players , fun to watch and play hard every night. gut wrenching to whisk them away overnight. murello best to not show his face in arizona ever again.
Brodie, let me give you a behind the scenes issue to look into. The land had a deep pockets bidder who was going to bid against the Coyotes. It was the Mayo Clinic which is occupying a huge piece of land in the same area and wanted to obtain the same land the Coyotes wanted, for expansion. Problem two- Scottsdale uppity ups are anti apartment and AM’s 1900 units was strongly opposed behind the scenes. I told you months ago that no new arena was going to get built.
I dont think I've ever seen a city basically kick a team out of a state before. The Mayor was like, yo I talked to the other Mayor and we agreed, ya'll gotta get the hell outta here.
Yokes fan here. I’m 19 and only grew up knowing them as Arizona, I know they were from Winnipeg first, but there always been Arizona too me. I often hear this move compared to the Oakland raiders/A’s move but it isn’t quite the same. Even if the coyotes move to Utah, I’ll still probably cheer for them, that won’t change, but what will change is live hockey. I was raised on hockey, going to games as often as possible, and knowing that I won’t be able to share the live hockey experience with my little sister, and my kids is devastating. If an As fan still wants baseball, the giants arnt that far away, for us, we need to go to LA or Vegas if I wanted to share hockey with my future family. It’s a dagger to the god damn chest, not just for losing an “Arizona team” but losing the live hockey experience, and not being able to share it with the future.
Dw Arizona will get a franchise again all the insiders are saying it. Bettman loves Phoenix too much to stay out for good, hopefully the new franchise won’t be marred in controversy and have good management.
The problem is that like Winnipeg 1.0 before, the coyotes have been mismanaged up until this point which also reflects the product on the ice, with competent ownership and a nhl arena arizona would be a good market
I feel so bad for the fans. The coyotes ownership should NEVER, be allowed to step foot near the nhl again. But seeing as how Gary Bettman, and the other owners are the hyper greedy POS’s that they are. Money talks. That’s all they care about. They have ZERO interest in the fans, other than our money. And I’m a Canadiens fan. But damn. The owners and NHL did the dogs’ fans dirty.
I’ve never been a fan of Bettmans push to keep the coyotes in Arizona, but I still feel awful for the fans that are getting left behind. There were a lot of problems with Arizona but the fans were never one
The biggest lesson from these moves should be, "don't get emotionally invested in sportsball teams.". These leagues are nice enough distractions, but they will exploit your nostalgia of going to games with your daddy or Grandpa to the hilt to get all kinds of corporatist goodies, and will leave just as easily when cities and fans start acting as if they are municipal property. Go to the games. Have fun. But don't think they are "your team," because they aren't. Treat them as the disposable entertainment product they really are.
I don't know if I agree with the 'fans have no direct control' part of this video. I'm a Nashville Predators fan and back in 07 the city almost lost the team for all the same reasons... non traditional hockey market, small fanbase, no support, and so on. Anyway, long story short, the team's original owner(who owns the Wild now) was going to sell the Predators to a Canadian business man who was going to move the team. The uproar got the owner to agree to look at other offers, and a group of wealthy Predators' fan bought the team.
sort of but not exactly - yes team was in jeopardy - and Jim Ballsillie attempted to buy the team. It was the last attempt he made at his quest to move a 2nd NHL team to the GTA - he was going to move them to Hamilton - Copps Colliseum at least for the short term until they built a permanent home , They even went as far as selling tickets - that is when G Bettman- jumped in and said - the fuck you are ! That is why that did not go through - it never was going to go through - that was one of multiple dances - Ballsillie and Gary Bettman did together - until Gary did the death punch and got the Iphone created.
I disagree with nearly everything said. I am a Coyotes fan, well, It's my 3rd favorite NHL team since I am east coast based. But I have seen them play at 6 different NHL arenas. Since the early 2010s they have always been questionable if they were to stay. Bettman always put out his influence to keep them in Arizona even though it was clearly just not working. When Vegas and Seattle were rumored to be getting a team, it was always a question if they were just going to relocate the Coyotes. Then there was Mullet Arena obviously not a good sign. Then the Tempe vote rejecting a new arena. Every season we are wondering if the team would get moved. This is not a surprise to anyone paying attention. I would prefer them to move over wondering if the team will even be there next year while every other team is wondering if their draft picks or trades will pan out.
That’s what I’m saying there trying so hard to stay in a place that doesn’t want them. 6 different arenas? 4 different cities that don’t want them to build a new arena? A what point does the league just say we tried everything to keep them here but nothing is working it’s time to move.
It’s in the top 10 in population for a city. Honestly if they were consistently good they would sell out. Granted its a city full of transplants from California and Chicago so building a sports fanbase is hard.
Let's be real if it wasn't for Bettman being stubborn the Coyotes would have moved back to Winnipeg and the Thrashers would have gotten an owner that actually gives a shit
I had a league game last night and spoke to my team and the other team. Everybody on both teams are planning to get season tickets, regardless of price, if they move up to SLC. I know that’s a small sample size but based on how well we sell Jazz tickets, hockey will be extremely popular here in Salt Lake.
That sucks. I'll miss the 'Yotes. They've long been my second favorite team after the Sharks just because I loved the name and the logo (the howler one, I could take or leave the kachina logo). Hope to see the Desert Dogs back.
I agree with you completely, and this is why I could never be a good businessman. From an analytical perspective, the club just hasn’t worked in Phoenix after so many lifelines, and maybe it’s time to stop throwing good money after bad. From an emotional perspective, there is nothing wrong with hockey in Arizona - the fans are there and they deserve better. It’s the management of the team that has been problematic (sounds like Atlanta). Maybe somebody else can run it better. And as you said, how can we trust the owner to build and afford a grandiose complex on raw land when he can’t succeed with some less ambitious efforts? I also find it a bit unfair how SLC seemed to jump to the front of the line in acquiring a team just because they’ve made noise about it. But who says it has to be SLC? Part of me would like to see Houston or Atlanta outbid SLC and, if the team is to be sold, have it go to one of those markets. Part out of spite, admittedly, but Atlanta has been tortured too and Houston is full of potential.
I went to Coyotes games when they played downtown. But living in the east valley, the drive to the new arena out west was just too far. They would have had more fan base if they had stayed centrally located.
This situation seems so weird because Scottdale is building a brand new arena and there is a current place to play in the meantime but the team demands to play in a college rink. That team leaves and a new team takes the new arena. WTF happened?
Thanks Brodie! What pisses me off the most is the fact that Coyotes have lied or intentionally misled a huge part of any successful franchise, the fan. I want no part of a future Alex Meruelo involved team. I would that Gary Bettman makes sure Meruelo has no part of hockey in the desert. I'm tired of the lies and empty promises! I don't think I'm alone here.
When they went to Glendale in 2003. They had 21 years to figure it put when they always knew Glendale was temporary. They didnt want to sign a long term lease with Glendale because they wanted it to be temporary. They weren't paying their bills (not the reason why they were evicted it was not wanting a long term lease) They play in a college arena with a 4 year lease to lose a public voting to build an arena in Tempe Once the talk during the All Star break about Coyotes we find out they're waiting for a public auction that may or may not go through. This team had way too many chances. And I used to love Phoenix Coyotes back in 1996. But other teams had to relocate for a fraction of this. Time to move on. Utah was never the top of my list for an NHL team. Quebec and Houston were. Even Atlanta. But they didn't make an effort. Utah did. If the fans want it and an owner can afford it. So be it.
no the Browns had a place to play. That was all about money for the owner this is about not having a home for way too long and playing in an arena that's a joke for the NHL. We have rinks in small cities up here with better capacity and legitimate NHL grade facility. Time to pack it up!
As someone who lives in the Salt Lake valley, the prospect of getting an NHL team is exciting. The possibility of stealing that team from another city and fanbase is not. I would rather have an expansion franchise.
I still doubt the coyotes move honestly. If this purchase drags out past the end of May, the NHL may just keep the coyotes at mullett. Definitely still hope for Arizona.
Regardless if the NHL comes back or not, I fully expect MLS to take advantage of this & announce within a few weeks of the Coyotes leaving (if they leave) that they are expanding to Phoenix in 2026. MLS has had a history of doing this as the Sounders came into MLS in 2009, 9 months after the Sonics left Seattle for OKC. There already is a suitable venue for an MLS Phoenix team to play at & that is State Farm Stadium in Glendale where the Cardinals play. However, the MLS to Phoenix idea also comes at a potential cost as it would likely mean the end of the Phoenix Rising the minor league (USL) team that is very well connected to the Phoenix community & has worked hard to do so. There is also the chance that any MLS expansion to Phoenix involves the Rising which would basically be them being "promoted" up to MLS.
You know, I can still remember when the Coyotes first arrived in Phoenix ahead of the 1996-1997 season, and then suddenly, the ‘Yotes were the hot new team on the scene. Led by the dynamic duo of Keith Tkachuk & Jeremy Roenick. In those days, the Coyotes were exciting and bonafide playoff contenders. Now, they weren’t really able to make deep runs once they reached the playoffs. But I believe if the Coyotes were able to reach the Stanley Cup Finals…or perhaps win the Stanley Cup…we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. P.S. The revolving door of ownership groups didn’t help matters, but let’s try not to go there.
The yotes had a series of owners that keep getting in their own way, including one owner who tried like hell to relocate the team to Hamilton, ON and another owner tried to relocate them to Portland. It feels like Alex Merulo didnt get the chances his predecessors did get. Remember, this move the. team and you get an expansion team happened in MLS with Columbus & Austin in 2018
I thought it was ridiculous that the NHL even allowed them to move to that junior hockey arena. The team should have been relocated after they were kicked out for not paying in the previous arena. Gary has just refused to admit defeat and give up. This should have been done years ago.
Yeah and they will kill that team to have the NHL and in a few years we won't have either team. Don't trust Ryan Smith, he only cares about a new arena for the Jazz.
Both for the A’s and Coyotes it’s unfortunate but from someone who doesn’t have connection to either one it does seem an ugly ending was inevitable. The same thing appears to be going on with the Rays.
Hoping for the best for the Phoenix community. The fans need to win one. Enough with the greedy owners and the commissioners that allow them to do whatever with the sport. It sucks walking away from a team and a sport. We went through that here in Oakland.
As a native resident of Utah my entire life.. Born in 1984.. If my wonderful state does acquire an NHL team, I hope we do not name it some stupid name like the Seattle kraken.. if they are going to call them the Utah Yeti’s… We should pay our match to our first semi pro hockey team the “Salt Lake Golden Eagles” But as a fan of the state of Arizona I think it would be a shame to still Arizona’s team because it sounds like no matter what they’ll be going back to Arizona once their stadium is built. And with all the talent between North America America & Russia… why not just form a brand-new team for my state instead of stealing Arizona’s. But Ryan Smith if you’re reading this please do not name them them the “Utah Yetis” PLEASE go back to the “Salt Lake Golden Eagles” The logo was sweet, and quite frankly I think it’s the only appropriate name if we were to acquire an NHL team. Because yeah we had the Utah Grizzlies but still the “Salt Lake Golden Eagles” what is the classic name with a sweet logo.
You can be thrilled to have an NHL team, but are there enough people....14,0000 a game willing to pay NHL ticket prices to make the team economically viable?
@@keithball6480 I believe they will. There are a lot of hockey fans out here, and the Jazz regularly draw very well. Even the college teams out here draw consistent big crowds for sporting events, and the Silcon Slopes tech scene continues to bring in big money and jobs for people from all over the US.
Arizona politicians have seemingly made it difficult to get an arena done but also part of this is the NHLPA isn't happy with playing in the mullet arena and poor ownership history and the fanbase gets screwed Bettman has been extremely patient during this process.
All the pain and the tanking to finally draft some good young forwards and it’s just going to end up being utah’s kickstart into the league, that is so brutal.
Me being a Winnipeg Jets fan, this hurts to hear. I feel like the Coyotes are such a passionate team and having them as a BIG part of the NHL. I can see the NHL without the Coyotes. Good luck Coyotes.
The whole stadium situation with the Coyotes starts with Gary Bettman and he knows it, which is why he's been trying so hard for so many years to keep the team in the Phoenix area. He should have never allowed former owner Steve Ellman to build a stadium for the team in Glendale. Ellman was a real estate developer and building the Westgate shopping development in Glendale and wanted the arena there to make his development more valuable, not because it made sense for the team. Bettman, as commissioner, should have stepped in and stopped the stadium from being built in Glendale, which was 45 minutes from the main fanbase and money in the East Valley. He needed a stadium in the East Valley early on and he should have made it happen. But a sports commission allowing an owner to build a stadium in an out of the way area to enrich that owner's other businesses at the expense of the hockey team is inexcusable by Bettman. A football stadium works in Glendale because they only have 8-10 games a year and usually on a weekend with people tailgating, so the drive is less of an issue. But for 41+ games a year, with many weeknight games, a hockey stadium that far from the main fan base and primary wealthy area was just idiotic and was never going to work. Then the 2007-08 real estate bubble burst and "Great Recession" just made it exponentially worse as he Phoenix area was hit bad and development around Glendale basically stopped and Ellman's Westgate development went bankrupt.
The BS with the Coyotes has gone on long enough. Played two full seasons in a college area and they still can't get their shit together. Buying a kachina jersey as it's one of my all-time favourites and don't imagine they'll be available again anytime soon. Looking forward to seeing the branding for the Utah team.
@@billcook4768 I agree, however I really like the quality of the Adidas Primegreen jerseys, so I'm going to pick one up while I know the quality is good. I'm sure in the future there will be throwbacks, but can't be sure the quality will be the same as what we have now.
In some ways, I think this would help make future expansion seem easier to accept: "We're going back to Arizona and Quebec City*, not just adding two new teams." (*Who knows?)
I know Brodie brought this up, but I wonder what SLC getting the Coyotes means for their MLB bid. I don't know if they're a large enough market to have three of the big four (four of the big five if you include MLS). Maybe baseball being a summer sport means that there won't be a big conflict with the two winter sports teams.
What I don’t like about Arizona losing the coyotes and then a few years later you get them back, you lose the current rookies that are stepping up and become exciting for this team. Plus losing Josh Doan would suck because he has so much connection with this franchise.
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Brodie the Coyotes lease was up in Glendale. They did not get evicted. Glendale offered a long lease the Coyotes rejected it. Glendale is too far out. Glendale would not offer a short term lease. So it was hard to stay in Glendale.
So no new NHL expansion teams to Canada then ? 🤔🏒🇨🇦
30 yrs of failure. Time to move on!
Arizona Coyotes Should move back to Glendale AZ Gila River Arena
@@cactusjackNV I Totally Agree With You Dude I Am Huge Anaheim Ducks Fan from Anaheim Watch A lot Of Ducks and Kings Hockey Game
The NHL appears to be replicating a Cleveland Browns strategy. Move to another market. Wait until a new stadium is built, return to the original city with a new team, same name.
I called this one happening months ago.....
Baseball will be too if the Rays leave. Oakland is a big IDK.
Ask the fans in Cleveland how THAT turned out.
@@ChampaBayBeast No chance re. another MLB team in Oakland, It'll be considered part of the Giants territory now. Nashville Charlotte, SLC, Vegas. Sac (if Vegas falls through for the A's) is where new MLB teams would go.
@@ChampaBayBeast Rays won't get another team if they leave either, but I think the new ballpark in St. Pete's will get built and they'll stay.
As a Kraken fan I feel for yotes fans as this is bringing back memories of when we lost the Seattle SuperSonics in 2008
OMG, don't ever compare the Sonics with the Coyotes. The Sonics had fans!
As a Southern California native and die hard Anaheim Ducks fan…I don’t want the Coyotes to leave Arizona.
Me either
I'm a Canadian fan of the Stars and I don't either. I always had a bit of a soft spot for the Yotes and hoped they'd turn things around.
Same here I am half Canadian my mother grew up in Canada
When your farm team has a larger arena than your NHL club. Ugh.
12:00 I asked some Arizona fans on Reddit. They said they would rather keep the team BUT if the team leaves and they get a new team, they want the current ownership to have no part in it, which is honestly fair.
The hockey team came here to Arizona through relocation, now we may lose the team due to relocation. As they say, what goes around comes around.
That would only be True if Arizona stole the Winnipeg Jets, but that wasn't the case, the Jets ownership decided to move and the Jets and Coyotes fans had no control over it.
@@adamgt4037Jets ownership went broke
Shenkarow didn’t want to move but the stadium was too small and he became a Crystal Palace Simon Jordan type figure in Winnipeg (a guy who tried and cared but just couldn’t keep a club afloat in 90’s Canada)
In Canada we say, "What goes around is all around". True story
This comment has less class than the coyotes ownership, very impressive.
@@PatrickWayneCollects Yeah it's was real class when the team was evicted from its NHL arena and forced to play in a college facility.
As a former season ticketholder and PA announcer of the HARTFORD WHALERS, I totally empathize with the fans of the Coyotes. We lost our team in 1997 because our two time convicted felon, Governor John Rowland sacrificed the Whale in order to pursue the Patriots. Obviously, he lost both. Gary Bettman loves big markets. The NHL will eventually return to Auston Matthews' home state. That will be Bettman's swan song before he finally, belatedly retires. (Thank God!)
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And Peter Karmanos acted in bad faith 🙄😣 Short-term, that relocation was a disaster compared to the other three mid-90s relocations. Time only tells
@@stever6885 Spot on, Stever!
I wish the whalers were still in CT. I was only 13 when they left
Theres other even bigger and better markets though. Like Houston and Atlanta. I tend to think Coyotes might move to Houston. SLC is a pretty small market and in Avs territory dont see the NHL wanting to stay there. Smaller than Nashville and in a state and area with low population. Houston or Atlanta should have teams. Atlanta could be Nashville times 2 in total fans.
I live in Nottingham (England), home of the Nottingham Panthers EIHL team, we have an arena that has a capacity of 6500 for hockey games, it's regularly been sold out over the years since it opened, it blew my mind to realise that my local team would have MORE fans attending than an actual NHL team could have!!
it's been blowing our minds how low level those games have looked in that building. lol There's shadows on the ice during a televised game and some of the walls are literally curtains to make the spaces for teams. It's been a joke for years now and time it was dealt with.
6,500 English at a HOCKEY game???
@@algrundau9441 yep and that's not biggest crowd, our local rivals in Sheffield (think Philadelphia / Pittsburgh kind of rivalry) have a bigger arena, their biggest crowd was just about 9500.
@@stuartrogers5807 lovely to hear our game is getting some more fans! I feel there's nothing like the excitement of watching hockey.
@@masterniloc Been watching hockey since 1980!! 🙂
Winnipegger here. Was a fan from the very beginning - the 1972 WHA Jets. It broke my heart when they left for Phoenix. I feel the same way now for the fans of the team. I don't get the people celebrating (except for SLC. I totally get them celebrating). Much love to all those fans who are going through all the emotions right now. I feel for you guys.
It's been 27 seasons (26 played) since the Original Winnipeg Jets moved to Arizona...
The KC Scouts (2)/Colorado Rockies (6) got 19 combined less seasons before moving to NJ finally
The California Golden Seals (9)/Cleveland Barons (2) got 16 less combined seasons combined before being essentially folded into the Minnesota North Stars.
Atlanta based teams had 8 less combined seasons (Flames 8, Thrashers 11) before moving to Calgary & Winnipeg.
The Minnesota North Stars had 2 less seasons (24) before the Sharks were created (an expansion, yes, but it was pretty much the Sharks getting the Seals Franchise in essence) and the same number of played seasons before moving to Texas due to the same struggles and Norm Green's dalliances (and a few other things)
The Original Winnipeg Jets and Quebec Nordiques had 16 and 17 NHL seasons before moving due to the depressed Canadian dollar and contracts being all based in USD
The Hartford Whalers had 18 seasons before moving since in spite of a lot of controversy surrounding the pre-move state of affairs.
Draw your own conclusions.
There are a number of other factors to consider to the facts you have presented. Aside from the Thrashers, the Scouts, Seals, Barons, Flames and Rockies all pre-date Gary Bettman's arrival in the NHL.
Norm Green's questionable practices also pre-date Bettman's appointment as Commissioner.
In the case of the relocations of the three former WHA teams, they were all casualties of a League that had not only been subverted by a bunch of New York lawyers, but also an unfavorable CBA in which the owners failed to obtain a salary cap.
Players' salaries continued to escalate out of control until a decade later, when nearly two-thirds of the League's owners advised Mr. Bettman that the money-losing simply could not continue.
Nordiques was not a financial issue. Owner was a plain and simple douche. That's why Lindros refused to play for the team. This is why Quebec City is high on the list for expansion.
@@masternilocalso, Nordiques ownership wanted a salary cap established wich Bettman said, no, you’re too small of a market move along. Funny enough, salary cap was established a few years later. With salary cap and hockey revenues redistribution in place nowadays, the Nordiques would had done great. They even have a brand new state of the art arena wich seats 18,000 people, something that even Salt Lake City doesn’t have…
The difference between them and the Coyotes is that none of those other teams were the pet project of the NHL Commissioner. The Coyotes trace their origin directly back to Bettman, who proudly and confidently declared that he would be the one to bring hockey to the desert. For the Coyotes to be exiled from Arizona will be the ultimate black mark on Bettman's tenure as Commissioner, and it's likely he'll never be able to show his face around the other franchise owners again after trying so desperately to save his baby and still failing in the end. Simply put, the end of the Coyotes is the end of Bettman's career, and he knows it, hence why he's willing to do anything short of sacrificing his firstborn to keep the Yotes in Arizona.
1993 was the year my NHL team the Minnesota North Stars moved to Dallas. I was really hurt when they left.
We don’t care to have a new Coyotes team in a few years. We finally have a young talented team that we’ve been waiting for for years and now we are losing them?! Getting a new group does not make me feel any better. Having our team keep the Coyotes name and move to Utah would make me feel better! It’s not about the name or the logo, it’s the players.
I want to keep our team we have now
Totally agree with you. I'm so attached to these players lol!! As much as I want a team in the desert, I want to see what happens with them and the team more.
Agreed! I don't care about getting the Coyotes back a few years down the road if it's an expansion team - I want to keep Clayton Keller and Josh Doan and Dylan Guenther and everyone in our pipeline
I just want our team that we have to stay I feel for our players and families
Yeah! There's a true fan there.
This is basically the Atlanta thrashers all over again
yeah, history repeats itself
The difference is Winning had a team and all infrastructure waiting. In this case the league is laundering the team to another city with nothing really established while paying off previous owner to the tune of millions all with the loose promise of maybe returning
@@LargeOhioSon Salt Lake isn't that unestablished for hockey. The NBA Jazz owner has been trying to bring the NHL to Salt Lake for more than 2 years now and the Jazz arena hosted skating sports back when Salt Lake had the Winter Olympics. It's a much better fit than playing in a 5,000 seat arena for another 3 to 4 years.
It is nothing like the Atlanta Thrashers.
Atlanta Spirit Group, the owners of the Thrashers, never wanted the team but reluctantly took them because it was the only way to get what they wanted, the Atlanta Hawks and the rights to Philips Arena, and both teams were included in the sale as a package.
ASG deliberately made it where no one willing to keep the team in Atlanta would be able to, nor were they seriously looking at local buyers. They wanted the relocation money.
The Coyotes, on the other hand, seem to have a committed owner, but the municipal authorities and residents are thwarting the Coyotes organization at every turn.
Atlanta also had much better attendance and were well supported until the last year when rumors began to fly of their departure (Oakland As similarity).
The Atlanta area doesn't have the same resistance that Phoenix has. They have two committed potential ownerships with arena plans and municipal and county backing, and the funding was agreed to over a few months span. It is why Atlanta is likely to be back in the league by 2027.
@@LargeOhioSonsalt Lake has an arena that will work for hockey temporarily. They have played multiple preseason NHL games there. The sight lines aren’t perfect, but it’s infinitely better than mullet
Recently it has been clarified that they left Glendale because the couldn't come to terms on the length of the new lease agreement. Not unpaid bills.
They also wore out their welcome with the city of Glendale
@kevinvonderscher3971 what does that even mean?
In other words they were too cheap to pay the rent.
They were also bottom of the league in attendance as well. The team sucked so can’t blame fans for that.
It is kind of amusing that they now can afford to buy land and build a new arena.
Yet they couldn’t agree on the rent in Glendale and also didn’t want to spend money to make the team competitive.
Yeah so weird how Glendale wanted the poverty franchise who missed rent payments to commit to long term deals. I wonder why the poverty franchise didn't commit to a 15 year deal...
Glendale is a poverty franchise in and of itself. Enjoy your 16 event calendar of tractor pulls, demolition derbies, Ice Capades, and whatever else the Desert Dumpster can scrounge up...Glendale tried to strongarm the hockey team, and the team balked...
I feel bad for being excited, as a Utah hockey fan. 2028 is a long way away and the thought of being able to go see NHL games like an hour from my apartment as early as this fall is genuinely a thrill.
At the exact same time, my heart hurts for the fans in Arizona. This team has literally had arena woes for most of my adult life. They deserve better and I was happy for them when it looked like the land auction was just a formality and the team finally got the break they needed. Hopefully the talk of Meruelo getting first dibs on expansion if he can get the arena situation figured out is true. I want EVERY good fanbase to be well-served. (They're almost all good fanbases to be frank, even low attendance isn't always reflective of poor fan support.)
Don't feel bad, think about how fans in Winnipeg felt when they left in 97. The original jets were a far bigger part of the community than the yotes ever were like by a factor of 100x
@realalbertan I felt bad for them, too. It's not a zero-sum game. I hate ANY time hockey fans get screwed over.
Edit: Rereplied because I was logged in under the wrong channel. Oops.
I don't feel bad for them at all. They'll get over it, believe me.
Hockey will always make more sense in Utah than it ever will in Arizona.
@@FischerFan Uh no, don't believe that. This is a bait and switch so Smith can get a new arena for the Jazz and the NHL will be gone in a few years. Not enough fans hockey fans here to support an NHL team, we can barely keep a minor league team here.
The problem with Mullett Arena was that the Tempe deal failed. It may have worked as a 1-2 year home while a new barn was definitely being built (similar to teams in other sports who temporarily move to an older or smaller venue while their permanent home is built), but when the Tempe deal fell through and there was no viable exit strategy, the team would have been best off begging Glendale to let them in, because the Gila River Arena was (when I last went there like 10 years ago) a perfectly acceptable NHL level venue. Not the best in the league but certainly not the worst.
Thank you for making such a great piece on the Yotes! I'm a lifelong fan, born and raised in AZ, and it really sucks to see this happen. It means a lot as a fan to see someone outside of AZ report on this with some compassion and understanding. We've dealt with some terrible owners and lots of haters, but this is different. This really hurts our community and our state. You nailed it with the "Community First" until it comes down to business. Thanks again, Brodie!
I believe the Utah branding applies only to MLB. That stadium project is a statewide tax. The downtown entertainment center is funded through a city wide tax.
Don't play in a 2000 person Barn and ask to play in that barn for 3-4 more years and expect them to say okay
They only moved to that barn because the City of Glendale kicked them out 😂
@@sit2goThey should have left town as soon as Glendale kicked them out. Playing in a college arena is an embarrassment on the league
Apparently they don’t even sellout
@@JonesTonesGuitar they don't cause the prices are crazy high.
@@sit2go Sounds like a Coyote org problem not the leagues.
Salt Lake is really pushing to get another Winter Olympics so there is the need/desire to build a large hockey arena for that. In fact, the IOC is visiting Salt Lake this week as part of the Olympic bid process. The SLC area has the 12,600 seat Maverik Center where their ECHL team plays, there's the Delta Center that can have an ice rink (and could host other Olympic events such as figure skating) and another large arena could make their bid even more successful. So, the NHL could see the future is brighter in SLC even if the Delta Center isn't the ideal hockey venue in the short-term.
To me, it doesn’t feel awful. When the board of governors, the PA, and others all voice their concerns and whatnot (especially about playing in mullett arena for possibly 3 more years), theres only so much bettman can do for advocating to have hockey in Arizona before having to admitting defeat
feels awful that the NHL team chose to ever take this interim path when a bridge to security wasn't even under construction yet.
@brodiebrazil what was the other option though? It feels like they were forced to take the interim path. They were getting kicked out of their old venue and mullet was their only option. They could only have so many failed plans before a move was bound to happen. It does suck for the fans though 100%
@@brodiebrazil welp its been 30 years
@@brodiebraziljust be glad you guys got an interim path and a second chance that really wasn’t deserved, plenty of markets didn’t get that same chance
@@brodiebrazilQuit being delusional and realize folks do NOT want to spend a dime for a billionaire pet project.
I've watched you on the Sharks broadcasts, the Sharks have a great broadcast team. This Vancouver fan always thought San Jose was the best fan-based team in Cali. From expansion the arena was packed, the brand was loved by NHL cities. Tough times today in the cyclical world of sports, but the Sharks to me were Cali's hockey hot spot!
First time hearing your takes. I’m a Utahn who rarely gets back. Love everything you had to say, great insight. Got a loyal follower!
The damage done to the franchise happened long before the current owner. He at least appears to have the money to make the team work if they get the stadium thing worked out.
As a Canadian who lived through the near destruction of Canadian hockey across all the former WHA markets, including almost losing the Oilers to Houston, I have mixed feelings about these former Canadian franchises.
I used to really dislike the Coyotes because they were grabbed from Winnipeg in a moment of business weakness not fan disinterest.
But as I have gotten older I have come to understand both the business side and the fan side from the Phoenix area perspective. Those fans of the team as you said did nothing wrong other than get constantly screwed over with bad owners making terrible choices. And like Winnipeg are the losers here. It took Winnipeg 16 years to get a team back, Quebec City will likely never get another one. And for that I am sad for them and it feels unfair.
However Phoenix can be a functioning hockey market just as viable as the one in Dallas, Nashville, San Jose (if you exclude the current issues), LA and Vegas. Some good teams, long term success and maybe a cup here and there and you can survive and thrive in these markets. I think in this case you HAVE to move the franchise but keep the team and name in Phoenix (Metro) maybe get the owner to get his stuff sorted on the arena and come back hopefully stronger than ever.
He doesn't. He's a grifter who didnt pay rent and taxes.
The difficult thing for the coyotes in Arizona is that they had to compete with the other local major league teams and college programs for support, a fight they unfortunately lost
you have to be kidding - this current owner has been 24X7 gong show - that is what pisses me off - he is going to end up making $600 mill off of this - he was a terrible owner - life is not fair all the time
So much money that he couldn’t even pay for the team’s hotels lol
It's tragic. We suffer through years of inept ownership only to have an incredible team of young talent we all love and you're gonna move em to Utah where they will finally be a playoff team and probably win 1st overall in the draft lottery. At least Phoenix is amazing because being a sports fan here is not.
lol and yet where did you take that team from? Welcome to our own strife north of the 49th. I don't feel sorry for you guys in the least.
@masterniloc cool story bud!👏👏👏
I am a firm believer that hockey will work anywhere and grow under the right conditions. Had the NHL not come to San Jose in the early 1990s when I was growing up there, I would not have become a hockey fan. The "right conditions" are a modern arena, competent ownership group, effective community outreach and marketing, and the on-ice product. The Yotes have had a difficult existence with nearly none of those conditions over the years; instead years of itinerant uncertainty and unending drama. I feel for the Coyotes fans who have stuck through all this BS through the years enduring "hockey the hard way" and hope they will get a new version of their team under better circumstances. As for Utah, Ryan Smith and Co. better have a solid game plan to open their new SLC arena. Delta Center would be an America West Arena style beginning to the market with basketball-specific (Barclays) sightlines, generally awful. They need to minimize their stay in that building or perhaps work out a deal to play at Maverik Center in WVC where the capacity is lower but at least more appropriate for hockey.
Don’t be ridiculous. Maverick Center is too small. You can’t play major league hockey in a barn with only 12,600 seats, even if it’s only for a few years. Oh, wait, never mind.
Right on. Bay Area didn't have "hockey fans" before the Sharks came, the Sharks created "hockey fans". I wouldn't care about hockey if the Sharks didn't exist.
@@billcook4768 You had me in the first half, not gonna lie :D
With regards to the impact on hockey itself in the Phoenix area. There is an NCAA division 1 hockey team in town. College hockey is vastly underrated. The Sun Devils should be supported.
If the Rattlers of the Indoor Football league worked out a deal with Glendale, the Yotes must have really irritated a lot of people in the valley for no one to step up and help. Glendale doesn't want them, downtown said no, Tempe said no, the Scottsdale Mayor has no interest.
No one goes to Rattlers games there, it is really empty. I went to the home opener and I’d say about 5,000 people went.
@@BrianH16that's more attendance than at Yotes game lmao
Oh -yeah it was plainly obvious -the powers that be with that stadium made it very clear they hated that ownership group
That was the kicker with Tempe - the citizens were voting against _specifically the Coyotes_ being in Tempe, not against having a hockey team in general. After seeing the way that franchise has been run like an absolute circus, they firmly and decisively declared that they wanted that clown show nowhere near their town. Add even the slightest modicum of competence to the ownership and management of that team, and I have a feeling that vote might have had quite a different outcome.
@@MisterVercetti Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen anything like this before. You would expect some solution, you know like the Rattlers. It didn't work out downtown, but hey you can play in Glendale. With the Coyotes it's every leader, city, citizens, and venues that are against it.
The blame is strictly on the owner NOT THE LEAGUE NOT SLC.
You can't say that the NHL hasn't given the Coyotes ample time to work out a new arena deal over the years, but I can totally understand why the NHL is losing its patience with this situation as it has gone on now for so long. I feel for the Coyotes' fans who have supported this team through thick and thin because they have been through so much undertaintly.
I feel bad for the franchise, just so many things have happened from Winnipeg to now. I understand people are saying what about Quebec, Atlanta, (insert at least 3 other locations), but the move to Utah makes sense with divisional alignment, it's a quick and easy thing. Also the league is making 2 versions of the next season schedule, it just makes sense for the league to have a back up plan. Maybe Utah gets the Coyotes short term as a way to find out if there is the hockey market they want. A "trial period" to see if they can get a season ticket base/corporate base while the arena is built in Scottsdale would be a unique situation
They should do their due diligence before moving to SLC. It is the Jazz owner trying to get money for a new arena for his team and then the hockey team will be sold once again. We won't be able to bring in enough fans to keep the NHL team , we can just barely keep an ECHL team afloat here so this is a bait and switch move. Bad idea.
they already have proven a hockey team works in Utah. There's a very successful minor league franchise there. It's not building hockey in a desert.
@@masterniloc Uh no, the franchise has just barely held on by going to the ECHL because attendance was so bad in the early 2000's. That's not something to brag about and it certainly won't bring in the number of fans needed for a successful NHL franchise. This is only for the Jazz owner to get a new stadium for the NBA and help with SLC's latest Olympic bid. Give it a couple of years and the team will be sold again. SLC isn't the right place for an NHL team.
Salt Lake City needs this arena for when the Olympics come too.
Absolutely awful if they leave, I’m a Sharks fan but I genuinely do like the Coyotes and this is terrible to see this happen
I fully agree.. this feels like the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens situation redone in NHL clothes.. just like the browns, just as things are starting to look like they have a new venue.. teams relocation... I think part of the Yotes problem is so many here are not natives (yes, I'm in the Valley)... they are transplants from other parts of the country. Like myself, I have a team that I love from when I grew up and I have not replaced that loyalty (even if they have forgotten what playoffs are).. I just get sick of teams not happy with their venues... when I was a kid, playing in mullett would not even be more than a mention.. today, if it's not a cathedral.... they might as well be playing on a frozen pond.... and the NHL is not alone...
The other thing is, Phoenix is a bandwagon town. The Coyotes' problems started when they found that America West Arena (which was built for the Suns, and the ice rink was an afterthought) was never going to work, the planned replacement in SCOTTSDALE was shot down by the local pols, and they would up in Glendale nowhere near their fan base in the East Valley. (I lived in Mesa, and with the traffic, I would have to leave my home at 4:30 just to make it before a 7:30 faceoff.) The team started losing, and the only sellouts were when Chicago and Detroit came to town, and the barn would up being filled with folks who traveled or moved to AZ from those cities. (Much like what will happen to the A's in Lost Wages ... if they get there.)
@@kirkdooley8190 I can see that... though I live in the west valley and Gila River was not that far for me... but being a life long Sabres fan.. didn't matter.. and the new arena site is about the same distance for me. Scottsdale complains about it.. but they pretty much appear to be the ones keeping it out of scottsdale...
In Cleveland, you KNOW you have a football fan base. In Arizona, a hockey fan base remains unproven.
where in Buffalo did you live?
Admit it...as we say here, our non playoff streak is now a teenager, 13 years old.
@@brianjones7660 Southtowns... about 35 miles SW of the city itself... Still have family back there...
There are coyotes in Utah btw. Also, I think what freaked the league out was lack of specificity on that Scottsdale (north Phoenix) location. There is no way the Coyotes owner can develop that himself. Where are the partnerships?
They will get outbid in the land auction.
I agree there are coyotes in Utah just like they are here in Bay Area California so 24-25 Utah Coyotes and allow the great hockey fans of the Salt Lake Area name them for 25-26 it’s not painful at all their fan base will triple with the team they have right now
He can absolutely afford to fund it himself. Do you know how rich he is?
@@azcardguy7825 it’s too late. Yotes are done here . Move to salt lake to be announced soon
@@azcardguy7825 He’s worth $2 billion.
The development he’s planning is worth more than that. No way he can fund that himself.
He’s not a multi billionaire like Kroenke or Ballmer.
Also if he had so much money. Why did he get kicked out of Glendale in the first place?
Regarding the lack of fans - I have to think part of this is that the Coyotes have been threatened to move for upwards of 15 years (Remember, they were moving to Hamilton, Ontario in 2008)... And I think fans just didn't want to devote themselves to a team that seemed so certain to be moving.
I remember watching one of the Glendale City Council meetings and, as one lady, who was a Coyotes' supporter, stated, 'Our casual fan base is toast.'.
There is no doubt that years of speculation of losing a team eventually take their toll on fan loyalty.
All AZ teams struggle with fan support though not just the Yotes
I've loved the Coyotes for so long. Thank you, Brodie.😢
I’ve from Canada but have been to 3 games in Phx. 2 in Glendale and 1 at Mullett. I saw a lot of passionate and loyal fans. I also feel bad for them. If they do move it’s extra sad because they’re building such a great core with Schmaltz, Durzi, Guenther, Cooley, Doan, Keller, Moser, Ingram and many good prospects in the pipeline. They are on the verge of being a really great team.
They'll still be on the verge of being a good team when they're in Salt Lake. If anything, playing in front of an NHL sized crowd and being supported by good owners in a new city where everyone is going to be excited to see them will be an added bonus...look at how it worked out for Seattle in their first year, and Vegas.
the actual decision was made quickly but we cant forget they have been supported by the other teams in the league financially almost their whole existence, i love the kachina logo, its nostalgic for me.. same goes for the panthers as well though the only reason the discussion stopped was the team actually started performing. When florida stops playing well, the fans will go with it, thats the life of ice hockey in the south. Id see a game at Mullet if it was a realistic possibility for me on the east coast but i couldnt imagine wanting to spend the money for season tickets in that rink.
People have been giving Winnipeg flak for their lower capacity arena and thats three times the size of Mullet and they fill their seats
This might be my emotions talking but as a coyotes fan I hope Meruelo doesn’t get an expansion team. He doesn’t deserve a team after selling out like this. He gave us all of this hope with the auction site and then turned around and sold the team. I would rather wait for a new owner with a new team name.
That isn't how it looks from outside Arizona, honestly. It seems to me, Meruelo exhausted all options and the opposition from Scottsdale is more of a critical blow than it might have sounded like upon first reports. The Meruelo group put all their eggs in that basket, but if Ortega can put his finger on the scales saying "this may be the biggest bid, but it is not the best for these reasons..." I'd be far more inclined to blame Ortega for torpedoing the effort. What's happening now just feels like Meruelo, the NHL, and Ryan Smith scrambling to adapt to a situation that changed radically, quickly.
@@GMPMHockey I don’t think the Scottsdale mayor had much to do with it because the land that they were buying was in the city limits of Phoenix. He wouldn’t have much say if an arena got built or not . Also, he did walk back his comments the next day . The ownership should’ve met with him and cleared up any concerns ahead of time .I do agree that they should have not put all of their eggs in one basket.
@@loffmanssportstalk7400 I thought in one of the recent videos it stated that Scottsdale DOES have to do with it because part of the construction of the arena would impact infrastructure in Scottsdale. They aren't directly the city, but they have some say
@@GMPMHockeythe mayor of Scottsdale had since gone back in what he said and stated he was in favor and it would be a win-win for everyone
@@loffmanssportstalk7400 Since it's apparently right on the Phoenix / Scottsdale border, perhaps Meruelo did need the cooperation from Scottsdale, such as help with utilities or roads / traffic routes, to get the development right? Also, has the Phoenix mayor spoken publicly about what he thinks of this project? Maybe there's another development group who has a proposal both cities would prefer...?
It feels awful because they keep snubbing Houston.
As a preds fan the sad thing is the market is fine. The issue is incompetent ownership. If they could figure out how to win and just negotiate a stadium deal this team could contend. They have the cap and draft capital.
I’m sorry this isn’t on ownership this time this on the state of Arizona and just not caring about this team. The league wants to be there but they don’t so why stay?
Stability from the standpoint of ownership, fan support, arena, etc. has never been a trademark of the Coyotes. This franchise has also been the victim of its own lack of foresight, starting with the arena out in Glendale.
The owner has stated he would fund a new arena himself without tax dollars he just needs the land and Arizona refuses to give him any except for possibly the auction in June. The owner has tried and tried again but Arizona keeps refusing. This was not a owner issue.
it's like we lost the Montreal Expos and The Nordiques , I think MLB and NHL only count money these days
The Phoenix metro area has **six** arenas of various sizes in various locations. If what is now the Footprint Center in downtown Phoenix had been designed to accommodate hockey, much of the current turmoil could possibly have been avoided. There's no blame here. Jerry Colangelo had gotten word that the NHL wasn't interested in expanding to Phoenix at that time, so built the new America West Arena to be the best possible basketball venue - and he succeeded. There are other possibilities outside of building a **seventh** (repeat, seventh) arena in metro Phoenix, if some support could be gathered. One possibility could be to patch things up with the city of Glendale, and move back into Desert Diamond Arena - a very nice venue. Another would be to replace Veterans Memorial Coliseum at the state fairgrounds in central Phoenix. The "Madhouse on McDowell" as the Coliseum was called when the Suns played there (before 1992) is pretty dilapidated. And a new arena and other improvements could help revitalize the fairgrounds.
They should have just moved to Ontario California or Coachella Valley until a new arena was built in the metro Phoenix area. Both of those areas are hosting hockey and they are easier for the fans to get there and they would build another fan base just like the New Orleans pelicans did when they played in OKC.
I wouldn’t want the Coyotes to comeback if Meruelo is an owner. For not talking to the fans about what is going on, he will be hated by our fanbase. If it is a new owner that brings a franchise back, I’d be more than happy to welcome it.
Not a yotes fan but I feel bad for their fans. NHL should have made up their mind on this team awhile ago. Now they’re probably leaving next week and their fans didn’t get their proper “final yotes” game of their life. Would hate my life if suddenly the sharks moved during the off season and I didn’t get to see them one last time.
Honestly, fans of the Coyotes and Phoenix as a whole should be thankful that the NHL is even handing them an olive branch to one day return to the league. After what has transpired since moving to the desert, I’m surprised the league has kept them there for so long. Although that might have more to do with Bettman’s ego than anything else
No, the State of Arizona has made it clear that they care more about not spending any money than anything else in this world. In spite of a couple of fairly big cities, most of this state is "red" and they fear spending a dime on anything. They apparently have no idea of the income sports franchises can bring in. So, mayor-loudmouth and his type can take all the credit in the world when the team leaves. I still can't believe that the State of Georgia is still given consideration after losing two hockey teams. For those of us who actually love hockey...screw the states that don't care. We don't care, either. Honestly, having watched the Arizona Coyotes (cool name, by the way) as they drafted some terrific players, only to end up trading them, selling them, taking on dead contracts. For the owner of the team, being forced to play in a stadium that holds around 46oo seats is a total joke. But then, the state couldn't care less if the team has money to pay its players. So, that's it. Now people in this state can return to chasing roadrunners down the highways...to nowhere. Brodie, you don't have to be so kind to these people. If bet0tin-man thought there was money to be made in this state, then the demographics had to line up-originally. But, when a state turns against a sports/the sport of hockey, then just leave!
We should be thankful to the NHL? The NHL has absolutely botched every single move with the coyotes. They should have moved them years ago and we could have had an expansion team a decade ago.
@@azcardguy7825 Do those botched moves include purchasing the team out of bankruptcy?
@@azcardguy7825yes you should be thankful, Bettman goes to cities that have supported their team for decades and threatens relocation and Arizona got treated with kid gloves forever. Honestly they should have left a decade ago and never come back
@@GenLeeConcepts
Subsidizing billionaires by building sports stadiums is one place where I agree with the GOP. And sports stadiums are not good investments of public money.
More people are catching on to that.
The unfortunate part that I don't think many realize is how hockey in Arizona impacted the league. I'll always say that Auston Matthews, the Leafs' first overall pick, plays in the NHL because of the Coyotes, because he was exposed to the game at an early age. So, I don't know how anyone can dismiss the 'Yotes as not a team to be taken seriously or whatever, in terms of off-ice impact.
This. One of the greatest American players of all time, one of the great goal scorers. He would not be playing hockey if the Yotes weren’t in Phoenix. It’s a better market than freakin Miami. It’s not their fault that the franchise has been poorly managed.
Idk if that’s totally true Austin Mathew’s got into hockey from watching the kings after they acquired Gretzky.
@@rizzorizzo2311i don't know that it's a better market than Miami. In other words, I think both markets are good, but I do agree management and ownership have both been issues for the 'Yotes.
@@GoodDreddSay that to the Avs, Habs, Knights, B's, Nucks, Leafs, Isles, Rags, Bolts, Preds, etc.
Yea the people who say that they aren't taken seriously are either people from cities that also don't have a team but want one back such as Quebec city or are people that say hockey shouldn't be in warm weather climates. Like it's played in an arena wtf does climate have to do with it. With baseball ok that's a legit issue ( kinda ) of having a baseball team in Toronto where it does get cold in October should they still be playing baseball in October. But ok it gets cold in Milwaukee and Seattle & chicago in October also
This Franchise deserves the Urinatingtree’s Legacy of Failure video that dates back to the First incarnation of the Winnipeg Jets.
It's happening. He probably has it ready the moment the Coyotes are finally outta Arizona altogether
As far as I understand this; The owner of the Coyotes would sell the team to the NHL not Salt lake. The NHL then sells the team to Ryan Smith and makes a 200million or so profit to be divided among the league owners after the NHL takes their cut. Coyotes team ownership then gets 5 years to establish infrastructure then can claim a franchise. What is not clear ; how much do they have to pay for the reclaiming of the Coyotes. Do they have to pay market value or just pay the exact price the NHL purchased the team for?
My understanding is Smith buys the team for US$1.3 billion, which gives all other 31 owners an extra $9 million+ upon the sale.
we've been hockey fans for over 50 years, and been to coyotes games and asu sun devils games this year at mullett , great college hockey venue , but certainly not big enough for nhl games , coyotes have a great nucleus of young players , fun to watch and play hard every night. gut wrenching to whisk them away overnight. murello best to not show his face in arizona ever again.
Brodie, let me give you a behind the scenes issue to look into. The land had a deep pockets bidder who was going to bid against the Coyotes. It was the Mayo Clinic which is occupying a huge piece of land in the same area and wanted to obtain the same land the Coyotes wanted, for expansion. Problem two- Scottsdale uppity ups are anti apartment and AM’s 1900 units was strongly opposed behind the scenes. I told you months ago that no new arena was going to get built.
I dont think I've ever seen a city basically kick a team out of a state before. The Mayor was like, yo I talked to the other Mayor and we agreed, ya'll gotta get the hell outta here.
So many parallels to the A's. Unreal. Thanks for the update
Yokes fan here. I’m 19 and only grew up knowing them as Arizona, I know they were from Winnipeg first, but there always been Arizona too me. I often hear this move compared to the Oakland raiders/A’s move but it isn’t quite the same. Even if the coyotes move to Utah, I’ll still probably cheer for them, that won’t change, but what will change is live hockey. I was raised on hockey, going to games as often as possible, and knowing that I won’t be able to share the live hockey experience with my little sister, and my kids is devastating. If an As fan still wants baseball, the giants arnt that far away, for us, we need to go to LA or Vegas if I wanted to share hockey with my future family. It’s a dagger to the god damn chest, not just for losing an “Arizona team” but losing the live hockey experience, and not being able to share it with the future.
Dw Arizona will get a franchise again all the insiders are saying it. Bettman loves Phoenix too much to stay out for good, hopefully the new franchise won’t be marred in controversy and have good management.
Scottsdale mayor publicly rejected a relocation of the NHL Coyotes franchise anywhere in Scottsdale or anywhere adjacent to Scottsdale!! Sad!! 😮😢
The problem is that like Winnipeg 1.0 before, the coyotes have been mismanaged up until this point which also reflects the product on the ice, with competent ownership and a nhl arena arizona would be a good market
As a Utahn, I just want an original new team.
I feel so bad for the fans. The coyotes ownership should NEVER, be allowed to step foot near the nhl again. But seeing as how Gary Bettman, and the other owners are the hyper greedy POS’s that they are. Money talks. That’s all they care about. They have ZERO interest in the fans, other than our money. And I’m a Canadiens fan. But damn. The owners and NHL did the dogs’ fans dirty.
I’ve never been a fan of Bettmans push to keep the coyotes in Arizona, but I still feel awful for the fans that are getting left behind. There were a lot of problems with Arizona but the fans were never one
The biggest lesson from these moves should be, "don't get emotionally invested in sportsball teams.". These leagues are nice enough distractions, but they will exploit your nostalgia of going to games with your daddy or Grandpa to the hilt to get all kinds of corporatist goodies, and will leave just as easily when cities and fans start acting as if they are municipal property.
Go to the games. Have fun. But don't think they are "your team," because they aren't. Treat them as the disposable entertainment product they really are.
I don't know if I agree with the 'fans have no direct control' part of this video. I'm a Nashville Predators fan and back in 07 the city almost lost the team for all the same reasons... non traditional hockey market, small fanbase, no support, and so on. Anyway, long story short, the team's original owner(who owns the Wild now) was going to sell the Predators to a Canadian business man who was going to move the team. The uproar got the owner to agree to look at other offers, and a group of wealthy Predators' fan bought the team.
sort of but not exactly - yes team was in jeopardy - and Jim Ballsillie attempted to buy the team. It was the last attempt he made at his quest to move a 2nd NHL team to the GTA - he was going to move them to Hamilton - Copps Colliseum at least for the short term until they built a permanent home , They even went as far as selling tickets - that is when G Bettman- jumped in and said - the fuck you are ! That is why that did not go through - it never was going to go through - that was one of multiple dances - Ballsillie and Gary Bettman did together - until Gary did the death punch and got the Iphone created.
If the Utah Jazz are selling out an arena for NBA games, will there be enough fans to sell out an arena for NHL games?
I disagree with nearly everything said. I am a Coyotes fan, well, It's my 3rd favorite NHL team since I am east coast based. But I have seen them play at 6 different NHL arenas. Since the early 2010s they have always been questionable if they were to stay. Bettman always put out his influence to keep them in Arizona even though it was clearly just not working. When Vegas and Seattle were rumored to be getting a team, it was always a question if they were just going to relocate the Coyotes. Then there was Mullet Arena obviously not a good sign. Then the Tempe vote rejecting a new arena. Every season we are wondering if the team would get moved. This is not a surprise to anyone paying attention. I would prefer them to move over wondering if the team will even be there next year while every other team is wondering if their draft picks or trades will pan out.
That’s what I’m saying there trying so hard to stay in a place that doesn’t want them. 6 different arenas? 4 different cities that don’t want them to build a new arena? A what point does the league just say we tried everything to keep them here but nothing is working it’s time to move.
Bettman can’t admit the mistake.
@@timdowney6721 seriously though what is his obsession with Arizona?
It’s in the top 10 in population for a city. Honestly if they were consistently good they would sell out. Granted its a city full of transplants from California and Chicago so building a sports fanbase is hard.
Let's be real if it wasn't for Bettman being stubborn the Coyotes would have moved back to Winnipeg and the Thrashers would have gotten an owner that actually gives a shit
Brodie, a reminder that the Carolina Hurricanes share PNC Arena with the NC State Wolfpack basketball team.
I had a league game last night and spoke to my team and the other team. Everybody on both teams are planning to get season tickets, regardless of price, if they move up to SLC. I know that’s a small sample size but based on how well we sell Jazz tickets, hockey will be extremely popular here in Salt Lake.
That sucks. I'll miss the 'Yotes. They've long been my second favorite team after the Sharks just because I loved the name and the logo (the howler one, I could take or leave the kachina logo). Hope to see the Desert Dogs back.
I agree with you completely, and this is why I could never be a good businessman. From an analytical perspective, the club just hasn’t worked in Phoenix after so many lifelines, and maybe it’s time to stop throwing good money after bad. From an emotional perspective, there is nothing wrong with hockey in Arizona - the fans are there and they deserve better. It’s the management of the team that has been problematic (sounds like Atlanta). Maybe somebody else can run it better. And as you said, how can we trust the owner to build and afford a grandiose complex on raw land when he can’t succeed with some less ambitious efforts?
I also find it a bit unfair how SLC seemed to jump to the front of the line in acquiring a team just because they’ve made noise about it. But who says it has to be SLC? Part of me would like to see Houston or Atlanta outbid SLC and, if the team is to be sold, have it go to one of those markets. Part out of spite, admittedly, but Atlanta has been tortured too and Houston is full of potential.
I went to Coyotes games when they played downtown. But living in the east valley, the drive to the new arena out west was just too far. They would have had more fan base if they had stayed centrally located.
This situation seems so weird because Scottdale is building a brand new arena and there is a current place to play in the meantime but the team demands to play in a college rink. That team leaves and a new team takes the new arena. WTF happened?
They-got-booted-out-of-their-old-arena-for-not-payin-their-rent-and-they-still-have-to-bid-on-the-land-to-build-a-new-arena
Thanks Brodie! What pisses me off the most is the fact that Coyotes have lied or intentionally misled a huge part of any successful franchise, the fan. I want no part of a future Alex Meruelo involved team. I would that Gary Bettman makes sure Meruelo has no part of hockey in the desert. I'm tired of the lies and empty promises! I don't think I'm alone here.
When they went to Glendale in 2003. They had 21 years to figure it put when they always knew Glendale was temporary.
They didnt want to sign a long term lease with Glendale because they wanted it to be temporary.
They weren't paying their bills (not the reason why they were evicted it was not wanting a long term lease)
They play in a college arena with a 4 year lease to lose a public voting to build an arena in Tempe
Once the talk during the All Star break about Coyotes we find out they're waiting for a public auction that may or may not go through.
This team had way too many chances. And I used to love Phoenix Coyotes back in 1996. But other teams had to relocate for a fraction of this.
Time to move on. Utah was never the top of my list for an NHL team. Quebec and Houston were. Even Atlanta. But they didn't make an effort. Utah did. If the fans want it and an owner can afford it. So be it.
This just feels like another Cleveland Browns situation. Hopefully they will get an expansion team soon.
no the Browns had a place to play. That was all about money for the owner this is about not having a home for way too long and playing in an arena that's a joke for the NHL. We have rinks in small cities up here with better capacity and legitimate NHL grade facility. Time to pack it up!
As someone who lives in the Salt Lake valley, the prospect of getting an NHL team is exciting. The possibility of stealing that team from another city and fanbase is not. I would rather have an expansion franchise.
I still doubt the coyotes move honestly. If this purchase drags out past the end of May, the NHL may just keep the coyotes at mullett. Definitely still hope for Arizona.
They're moving . Be announced soon .
Regardless if the NHL comes back or not, I fully expect MLS to take advantage of this & announce within a few weeks of the Coyotes leaving (if they leave) that they are expanding to Phoenix in 2026. MLS has had a history of doing this as the Sounders came into MLS in 2009, 9 months after the Sonics left Seattle for OKC. There already is a suitable venue for an MLS Phoenix team to play at & that is State Farm Stadium in Glendale where the Cardinals play. However, the MLS to Phoenix idea also comes at a potential cost as it would likely mean the end of the Phoenix Rising the minor league (USL) team that is very well connected to the Phoenix community & has worked hard to do so. There is also the chance that any MLS expansion to Phoenix involves the Rising which would basically be them being "promoted" up to MLS.
You know, I can still remember when the Coyotes first arrived in Phoenix ahead of the 1996-1997 season, and then suddenly, the ‘Yotes were the hot new team on the scene. Led by the dynamic duo of Keith Tkachuk & Jeremy Roenick. In those days, the Coyotes were exciting and bonafide playoff contenders. Now, they weren’t really able to make deep runs once they reached the playoffs. But I believe if the Coyotes were able to reach the Stanley Cup Finals…or perhaps win the Stanley Cup…we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.
P.S. The revolving door of ownership groups didn’t help matters, but let’s try not to go there.
If the move does happen, 2 team names - Salt Lake City Stingers or Utah Swarm (something bee related as they have a bee hive on the state flag).
IDK they are playing in an embarrassment of an Arena, shocked the league even allowed it in the first place
The yotes had a series of owners that keep getting in their own way, including one owner who tried like hell to relocate the team to Hamilton, ON and another owner tried to relocate them to Portland. It feels like Alex Merulo didnt get the chances his predecessors did get.
Remember, this move the. team and you get an expansion team happened in MLS with Columbus & Austin in 2018
I thought it was ridiculous that the NHL even allowed them to move to that junior hockey arena. The team should have been relocated after they were kicked out for not paying in the previous arena. Gary has just refused to admit defeat and give up. This should have been done years ago.
10:26 ... Utah Grizzlies is an awesome name.... so awesome that's what their ECHL team is called that has ties to Colorado AHL and NHL
Yeah and they will kill that team to have the NHL and in a few years we won't have either team. Don't trust Ryan Smith, he only cares about a new arena for the Jazz.
Both for the A’s and Coyotes it’s unfortunate but from someone who doesn’t have connection to either one it does seem an ugly ending was inevitable. The same thing appears to be going on with the Rays.
We have a good core of players. I don’t want to start over AGAIN! The light at the end of the tunnel was in sight.
Hoping for the best for the Phoenix community. The fans need to win one. Enough with the greedy owners and the commissioners that allow them to do whatever with the sport. It sucks walking away from a team and a sport. We went through that here in Oakland.
As a native resident of Utah my entire life.. Born in 1984..
If my wonderful state does acquire an NHL team, I hope we do not name it some stupid name like the Seattle kraken.. if they are going to call them the Utah Yeti’s… We should pay our match to our first semi pro hockey team the “Salt Lake Golden Eagles”
But as a fan of the state of Arizona I think it would be a shame to still Arizona’s team because it sounds like no matter what they’ll be going back to Arizona once their stadium is built.
And with all the talent between North America America & Russia… why not just form a brand-new team for my state instead of stealing Arizona’s.
But Ryan Smith if you’re reading this please do not name them them the “Utah Yetis” PLEASE go back to the “Salt Lake Golden Eagles”
The logo was sweet, and quite frankly I think it’s the only appropriate name if we were to acquire an NHL team. Because yeah we had the Utah Grizzlies but still the “Salt Lake Golden Eagles” what is the classic name with a sweet logo.
As a person who was born in Utah and lived in SLC half my life, I’m ecstatic to see an NHL team play there!
i'm happy for utah to get the nhl... just not thrilled with the tradeoff
@@brodiebrazil Well said. Even as a direct beneficiary, this does not sit well with me.
You can be thrilled to have an NHL team, but are there enough people....14,0000 a game willing to pay NHL ticket prices to make the team economically viable?
@@keithball6480 I believe they will. There are a lot of hockey fans out here, and the Jazz regularly draw very well. Even the college teams out here draw consistent big crowds for sporting events, and the Silcon Slopes tech scene continues to bring in big money and jobs for people from all over the US.
As a San Jose native now living in Utah, I'd also be escatic to have a hockey team here that I can follow in addition to the Sharks.
Arizona politicians have seemingly made it difficult to get an arena done but also part of this is the NHLPA isn't happy with playing in the mullet arena and poor ownership history and the fanbase gets screwed Bettman has been extremely patient during this process.
All the pain and the tanking to finally draft some good young forwards and it’s just going to end up being utah’s kickstart into the league, that is so brutal.
Me being a Winnipeg Jets fan, this hurts to hear. I feel like the Coyotes are such a passionate team and having them as a BIG part of the NHL. I can see the NHL without the Coyotes. Good luck Coyotes.
The whole stadium situation with the Coyotes starts with Gary Bettman and he knows it, which is why he's been trying so hard for so many years to keep the team in the Phoenix area. He should have never allowed former owner Steve Ellman to build a stadium for the team in Glendale. Ellman was a real estate developer and building the Westgate shopping development in Glendale and wanted the arena there to make his development more valuable, not because it made sense for the team. Bettman, as commissioner, should have stepped in and stopped the stadium from being built in Glendale, which was 45 minutes from the main fanbase and money in the East Valley. He needed a stadium in the East Valley early on and he should have made it happen. But a sports commission allowing an owner to build a stadium in an out of the way area to enrich that owner's other businesses at the expense of the hockey team is inexcusable by Bettman.
A football stadium works in Glendale because they only have 8-10 games a year and usually on a weekend with people tailgating, so the drive is less of an issue. But for 41+ games a year, with many weeknight games, a hockey stadium that far from the main fan base and primary wealthy area was just idiotic and was never going to work. Then the 2007-08 real estate bubble burst and "Great Recession" just made it exponentially worse as he Phoenix area was hit bad and development around Glendale basically stopped and Ellman's Westgate development went bankrupt.
Love your videos BB.
Thank you!
This is heartbreaking I don’t know if I want to watch hockey anymore… Feels like I’m not wanted as a fan
The BS with the Coyotes has gone on long enough. Played two full seasons in a college area and they still can't get their shit together. Buying a kachina jersey as it's one of my all-time favourites and don't imagine they'll be available again anytime soon. Looking forward to seeing the branding for the Utah team.
You’d be amazed how many Whalers and Nordiques jerseys sell every year. I wouldn’t worry about the brand dying.
@@billcook4768 I agree, however I really like the quality of the Adidas Primegreen jerseys, so I'm going to pick one up while I know the quality is good. I'm sure in the future there will be throwbacks, but can't be sure the quality will be the same as what we have now.
In some ways, I think this would help make future expansion seem easier to accept: "We're going back to Arizona and Quebec City*, not just adding two new teams." (*Who knows?)
The NHLPA and the owners had enough of this nonsense. I wish they had spoken up in 2011.
I know Brodie brought this up, but I wonder what SLC getting the Coyotes means for their MLB bid. I don't know if they're a large enough market to have three of the big four (four of the big five if you include MLS). Maybe baseball being a summer sport means that there won't be a big conflict with the two winter sports teams.
If-the-NHL-does-well-in-SLC-it-could-help-land-a-MLB-team-but-MLB-is-not-expanding-till-2029-at-the-earliest-and-Nashville-and-Charlotte,Portland-or-San-Antonio-are-likely-to-get-the-2-new-teams..IMO
They have the population to support three plus their mls team, 2.8 million in the market
What I don’t like about Arizona losing the coyotes and then a few years later you get them back, you lose the current rookies that are stepping up and become exciting for this team. Plus losing Josh Doan would suck because he has so much connection with this franchise.