I get the whole .308 vs 6.5 creedmoor debate is a thing because the military chose to replace some 308s with the 6.5, but it really is a silly debate. One is a 30 caliber bullet and the other is a 26 caliber. There ya go, just settled the debate for you. The .308 caliber will have an advantage over the 6.5 in some categories, like better ballistics at " closer" ranges and the 6.5 does better further out. Here's the truth: if you like the .25-06, which you should because it's a phenomenal round that works great on medium sized game out to 300 yards (and further) then you'll like the 6.5 creedmoor better. It moves a little faster and hits a little harder past 300 yards, has more bullet options and under 300 yards the two are damn near identical. .308 is great, 6.5 is great, .270 is great, there's a lot of great calibers.
The military shoots people not elk or deer. A hit on a human is a hit. If they die right away great. If they bleed to death in an hour, that is also great. Of course the military also shoots the .338 and the 50 cal when the really want to reach out and touch someone.
I have had the .308 Savage and just bough a Tikka lightweight Hunter in 6.5. I feel like I’m cheating on the .308 as it has been a trusted friend. Anything I’ve shot with a .308 dropped right away. I shot a 200 lbs hog that dropped right away and my buddy hit one with a 7.62x39 that I had to finish with my .45. I kind of got seduced by both the Tikka which is gorgeous and the 6.5 which everybody raves about, but thinking about it, at the ranges I’d shoot at, the .308 will prob do a better job at dropping game, which is what this vid is about. I’m less a long range shooting guy than a hunter. I’m taking the Tikka hot hunting and we will see if it drops the hog as efficiently as a .308. At the end of the day I was thinking about a middle weight caliber like a 7mm 08 or a .270 so the 6.5 fit that bill so we’ll see how it does. I’m curious.
@@Aereaux “hit is a hit”... only if they don’t keep throwing lead at you, bro... Easy to say from the couch. Also, deer and humans are anatomically similar.
Wanted a 6.5 when I started to purchase my Bergara HMR. The barrel life of the 6.5 is wayyy to short for someone of my means. Great for competitive guys who can afford new barrels and guys that just shoot during hunting season. Ended up with 308 and am completely satisfied.
I’ll take the 308 in my neck of the woods. It isn’t about long range hunting here and the 308 does everything I need to do here. Whitetail, black bear and elk.
@Jayson Barjarat Just think of all the animals that died a needlessly slow death just because the paper punching creedmoor fanboys thought their ability to slay paper targets at 500+ means they could do the same to living things.
With 1:8 5R twist the 6.5 has less bullet deformation and therefore less barrel deformation. The ammunition I use, Hornady Precision Hunter, is currently cheaper in 6.5 than it is in .308 on GBroker.
@@58harwood How is it silly? Less bullet deformation relates to "projectile-barrel behavior during the interior ballistics process." Strain rate, bore damage, throat erosion, stability, the effect of increased heat on MV, lots of studies on all this stuff. It may not last as long if you compare a pencil 6.5 to a heavy .308 and believe the anecdotes, but you can expect both the .308 and 6.5 to start dropping off after about 3,000-4,000 rnds from quality barrels in most peoples experience, which is far better than most. They have very similar muzzle velocity and energy with the same weight loads. Perhaps I should have added context, that yes you can have the same barrel features in .308, but it's basically the iron standard for 6.5CM. Have even seen claims of 6k rounds from a 6.5 and still holding 3/4 MOA, but it's all conjecture either way.
I'm glad you mentioned bigger game. I'd agree that mullies would be about the biggest I'd go in the creedmoor. I've seen Elk shot with both and I'd prefer the .308's stopping power.
Personally I like the versatility of the .308 and I could shoot mine all day. 6.5 is available from 120 grain to 156 grain depending on your needs. The .308 is available from 140 grain up to 200 grain. If you want to shoot either of them flatter get a lighter grain, for more stopping power get the heavy grain. Pick your poison, both are very effective in the right situation. I personally went with the .308 because 6.5 ammunition is not as abundant where I live.
Feel like you missed a lot of what has to be discussed about hunting between the two calibers by not talking about penetration and energy at the variety of ranges you might hunt at and what might be necessary for certain game animals at those yardages. You even said it was completely understandable that 308 was a minimum set by guides but then chose the 6.5 without setting under what conditions it would be your preference. Your video is confusing.
I have kinda hedged on this by going 7mm 08, also a tested and respected cartridge. I am very happy with my choice. I shoot 140/150 gr bullets for deer, my particular rifle seems to like heaver bullets, but both 140 and 150 are effective one shot one kill for deer given reasonable ranges and shot placement. The 7mm 08 is very good but does not get the advertising dollars as the 6.5 does, it is however a hand-loaders dream! As a side note, my 7mm 08 loves cheap ammo, you don't need anything fancy to have accuracy.
@ pseudopetrus: 7mm (.284) projectiles are great in terms of BC and SD, and they offer a wider range of usable bullet weights than 6.5mm (.264), which is a plus for most folks. And they top out heavier than their smaller-diameter counterparts, too.
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 I wound up getting a creedmore while my buddy got a 7mm 08 bolth excellent rounds, creedmore works for what I use it for and I really like it but when I shot my friends 7mm 08 I loved it if anyone wants one caliber to suit most of their needs 7mm 08 may be the round for you, great round
Same. I really enjoy the 6.5 Creedmoor. I want people to use whatever they want to use and enjoy their firearms and calibers. People will always hate the 6.5 Creedmoor and call it a bandwagon round. Fine, so be it. I don’t care at all. I love shooting it. I’ve had so many friends that have .308’s shoot my Creedmoor and then go out and buy one. It’s just an addicting round for long range target shooting. Now as for hunting... I think it can be used extremely well if the shooter knows it’s abilities and limitations. Can it take elk humanly and ethically? Absolutely 100%. Should you take a shoulder shot with it? Nope. Should you take a 800 yard shot? Nope. People need to be smart about it. Like Randy Newburn says, if you make a crappy shot with a .300 Win Mag, it won’t kill an animal.
6.5 with similar weight ELD-X ammo maintains more energy than a .308 at 300 yards and beyond when both are fired from a 24 inch barrel. At 1000 yards the .308 has over 1.5 feet greater wind drift than 6.5. If you are shooting past 300 yards and are an ethical hunter then there is no logical reason to not view the 6.5 as a more capable round.
I prefer the .308, but honestly doesn’t matter just know your DOPE on whatever caliber you are shooting and you will hit. I don’t know why people get so big on the 6.5.... ballistics I get it. Just know your hold overs for your rifle and you are fine.
I'm 73 years old I have had 7mm mag which I sold a month later! Now I shoot a 6.5 creedmoor and a Remington 270 both are on a new chassis system! I have never had a .308 So I'm up in the air!! So bring on the thoughts you guys!
When I look at the wound channel with a 30 cal.... Yes. When I consider the skills involved with shooting a higher recoiling rifle well and reading wind... I’ve grown more as a shooter using my 30 cal. Good on ya for putting yourself out there with you opinion though buddy, each to their own
I was on the fence as well but I will go with the 308. And a lot more Ammo options right now. I’m sure the 6.5 will get more popular and have more options later.
This review is all over the place... What does a 1000 yds have to do w hunting... These are not even hunting rifles I hear u like 6.5 cause the recoil which is great but not really even a comparison...
I feel like he's afraid to offend anyone so he's holding back on giving his opinion and most of what he says doesn't apply to hunting. After watching this I have no idea which caliber is better for hunting lol.
@@apsaffles531 at the end of the day if you know your rifle and ammo then it doesnt really matter which caliber you hunt with. out to 500y pretty much any will do. but if you are going for points at 1000y then you are in the 1%ers club
I feel like he just doesn't know anything about the products he is reviewing...alot of stammering, and nothing with any depth...just obvious statements like...whoo...this scope sure is puurrrty
If you shoot past 200-300yds then it matters, especially for hunters who need that 5 inches less of wind drift and drop at 400-500+ yards. 6.5 also has 20-30% less recoil depending on ammo weight making it inherently better for successive shots. Nothing wrong with the .308, at all, but if you're hunting past 300 then it's the difference between a wounded animal and a dead animal, or many dead animals.
I like the .308 and 6.5 Creedmore for hunting up to about 500yrds. Beyond that I don't like the bullet velocity for bigger game. The lighter kick on the 6.5 will improve accuracy for a lot of hunters. For me, I like 6.5 Creedmore for hunting to 500yrds and then for target shooting beyond that. Then I like a 28 Nosler or 300 win mag when I want to have the option to hunt beyond 500 yrds. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion atm.
Agree, I'll always be a fan of the 308 but when I got my rifle it was February and the gun stores were literally empty by chance the last store I checked had just got a few guns in and I grabbed a creedmore ( the only other calibers they had were really expensive guns) I got a kimber hunter in 6.5 no regrets shoots great no problem dropping whitetail this season and surprisingly one of the few calibers I can still find ammo and reloading supplies for...except for primers
EVERY BODY COMPLAINS ABOUT A RIFLE BEING HEAVY IF IT WEIGHS OVER 7 LBS, MY BATTLE RIFLE IS AROUND 17 LBS AND I DONT MIND EVEN WITH MY BATTLEPACK LOAD OUT GEAR... MUST BE THE MASSIVE MUSCLE TISSUE AND FRAME OF MY NORDIC BLOOD, AND A MEAT ONLY DIET......
I got a creedmore because I do a lot of long range shooting in addition to hunting. You can def go for a wider variety of animals with a 308. 7mm 08 is also a great round my buddy got one not long ago and let me try it out, shoots even better than my creedmore
the 308 had more drop and recoil because you were shooting a heavier bullet at a slower speed. if you shot a 150 gr bullet out of the 308 it would have the same recoil because its a closer bullet to the weight of the one your shooting through the creedmoor. you have to compare apples to apples. dont give me a gun that shoots a 180gr bullet and a 40gr bullet and try to compare them.
Glenn Fuller I would agree but 140gr is about a as high a gr bullet you can get for 6.5 Creedmoor, high bc. The 308 to get similar bc you have to get well up there, 168gr or more. So that’s apples to apples.
With similar weight, 6.5 at 143gr vs .308 at 150gr, both out of a 24 inch barrel, the 6.5 maintains higher energy after only 200yds. thebiggamehuntingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/6.5-creedmoor-vs-308-trajectory.jpg
Sound logic, as far as it goes, Glenn. However, the dilemma is that 6.5mm/.264-caliber slugs exhibit excellent BC and SD values as low as 120-130-grains in weight, and truly outstanding values from 140-150-grains, whereas the .308 does not get into good-excellent numbers until it hits 190-grains or so and above, which is really pushing the short-action .308 case. I'm a .308 fan, for sure, but you want physics working for you, not against you - whenever possible. Or as the competitors say, "High muzzle velocity is temporary, but a good BC value is forever"... and the problem with .308-caliber projectiles is their BC valves don't get really good until around 200-grains or so, which is really too heavy for the .308 case. Which, in a nutshell, is why the U.S. Army moved to adopt 300Win-Mag as their intermediate sniper rifle caliber. That case can handle up to 230-grains, hence the really slippery bullets in the 200-230 range. Far as .308 is concerned, it is an excellent all-around performer out to 800 yards, and in skilled hands, out to 1100 yards. Perfect? No, but adequate to very good.
Thanks for the expert advice. I’m just getting into deer hunting after almost 30 years as a duck hunter. I just ordered the Bergara 6.5 after hearing from a friend how much he loved his gun and how it was his favorite of all of his rifles. Also, my 10year old wants to hunt as well and I thought the low recoil would be ideal for him. I can’t wait to experience the gun for myself! Great video! I’m a UA-camr as well, we make cool furniture on our channel Repurpose Kings.
Yes it is an accurate comparison because for a 308 optimal powder burn is achieved at about 20 inches and around 24 inches for the 6.5. A 24 inch barrel will slow down a 308 projectile because after full powder burn at 20 inches friction robs speed for the next 4 inches of additional barrel length. A 20 inch barrel on a 6.5 will not allow for full powder burn so the missing 4 inches required results in a loss of achievable muzzle velocity. A short barrel will not allow for maximum muzzle velocity because full power burn is not achieved and long barrel after optimal burn is achieved will only rob you of muzzle velocity because of friction. Apples to apples a fair comparison between a 308 and 6.5 they must be a 20 vs 24 respectively. Likewise if you shoot heavy 147's from the 6.5 you need to shoot 168 out of the 308. Optimal barrel length, twist rate and bullet weight is caliber dependent so simply matching numbers is unrealistic for optimal results or comparison.
6.5x55 Swede and 6.5cm launch the same projectiles at the sams velocities only 6.5cm benifits from modern bullet technology. 6.5 Swede is a popular cartiridge in Europe for up Moose size game it's a proven cartridge that's has been around over 100 years and has been game longer than 308.
@ Gs Xr: The venerable 6.5x55 (Swedish Mauser) can do pretty much anything that the 6.5 Creedmoor can do. It's a long-action cartridge, so it can hold more propellant than the newer short-action 6.5 CM. But the 6.5 CM makes up for it by allowing bullets to be seated longer, giving more usable powder space. Still, if you trial them side-by-side, the 6.5x55 is capable of pushing the same slug 150-200 fps faster. I'll concede that the 6.5 CM is probably the more-accurate of the two, if that's your game - but properly tuned, the 6.5x55 is also capable of excellent performance in that department. It's a great cartridge, it really is. The Swedes and Norwegians (who also helped develop it) must be over there in Europe laughing their heads off, looking at all of the fuss about 6.5 CM and saying "What took you guys so long?" To me, the appeal of the 6.5 CM is that it can be used in platforms which already shoot .308. If you own an LR-308 AR platform that uses P-mags, you just need a 6.5 CM upper and you are good to go, since the cartridge works from a std..308 P-mag or equivalent. The 6.5x55 Swedish, is in many ways, their counterpart to our .270. IMHO, part of the reason the Swede never caught on here in N. America the way it did over there was because of the development of the .270 in the mid-1920s, a chambering that does many of the same jobs as the slightly older Swedish-Norwegian design.
First let's start with the PRS questions, it's 2022 now and everyone in the PRS crowd has moved on. Most are shooting a 6mm something or a 6.5 PRS the trajectory on the 6.5CM sucks with the heavy BC bullets. Now that being said it is 2022 and we are in an ammo drought but there are some 6.5CM around, I'm making brass from 308 and the 6.5CM only uses 40gr of powder for most loads if your a handloader. As a hunting cartridge it excels like the 260 before it and is good for anything from Woodchucks to Whitetails. 90 to 150gr this is one of the best cartridges for the average guy that only owns one rifle or is buying his first rifle. 6.5 or 308 ? IMHO the 6.5CM is the way to go. Factory ammo is more expansive but it's cheaper to handload, recoils less, does less meat damage, is inherently more accurate in my experience and is great for almost any critter short of an ELK. It has a lot to offer.
Awesome discussion bro. I've been having the hardest time deciding on a precision caliber(I don't have a lot of money). Obviously I need to keep doing research, thanks for your review brother.
@ Mark: If you are new to precision shooting, many experts recommend getting a .308. It's inexpensive, common, well-sorted out ballistics-wise, and accurate factory loads aren't budget-breakers. Learn your fundamentals on the .308 and when you have learned enough, get into a specialist chambering like 6.5 CM. Bear in mind, too, that unless you have access to a range of 600 yards or more, the differences between the two cartridges probably won't matter as much, since the 6.5 CM only really starts to out-shine the .308 as distances increase. On the other hand, the 6.5 is tremendously efficient with most projectiles having an excellent BC and SD value, and they also perform better in the wind than .308 projectiles, much of the time. Somewhat milder recoil impulse, too, than the .308. As of now, .308 is cheaper but with 6.5 CM increasing in popularity, prices for it are dropping and becoming more-competitive. As for precision competition use, the 6.5 and 6mm rifles have pretty much replaced .308s as the preferred platform in things like the PRS (precision rifle series) competitions, etc. In terms of barrel wear, the 6.5 CM is harder on barrels than .308 - consequently, you'll have to replace the barrel sooner. If that's an issue, bear that in mind, too.
Friends and Family are taking Roosevelt Elk in Idaho consistently with the 6.5 Creedmoor. No long run off's that can't be found. Hard hitting round and I love my 6.5 Creedmoor.
THE REASON. 260 DIDN'T DO DO WELL, BECAUSE REMINGTON FAILED TO MARKET IT WELL AND THE INTERNET WASN'T AS HOT THING BACK IN THE 90'S. THE AVAILABILITY OF 6.5 BULLET CHOICES WAS ANOTHER REASON IT FAILED THE .260, BUT LOT OF PRS SHOOTERS USE IT AND SOME IN .260 ACKLEY IMPROVED.
7mm 08 is a great round and so is the 260. the 260 did have problems that caused it to never catch on. Remington has struggled for many years on twist rate, and that's what killed it from really catching on years ago. this is where the creedmoor out shines the 260. I know guys who have new 260 builds with 1-8 twist rates and they are amazing. 7mm 08 had similar issues.
stroudads They had the rate of twist down they just didn’t have any of the bullet options they do now for it to be relevant. Biggest downfall of the .260 is the shoulder angle, trying to reach the lands with it and still feed from a magazine.
I grabbed a creedmore and I really like it shoots great drops deer no problem and the big one is I can actually still find ammo for it but I totally agree my buddy picked up a 7mm08 and after I tried it out I loved it, excellent round
Just picked up a 6.5 creedmore on a budget the Savage XP . Gonna throw the sig sauer sierra BDX scope on it I already have the range finder, pretty stoked
I don't believe that 308 has better terminal ballistics than 6.5cm. Hornady has actual professional ballistics testing results(not UA-cam amateur testing) of both 6.5cm and 308 on the LE side of their page which also shows that terminal performance of both are about the same.
@@seanwhite304 Aakshalay 6.5cm beats the shit out of 308 regardless of barrel length. 308 and 6.5cm both lose about 25 FPS per inch of barrel loss between 26" and 16". rifleshooter.com/2016/02/6-5-creedmoor-effect-of-barrel-length-on-velocity-cutting-up-a-creedmoor/ rifleshooter.com/2014/12/308-winchester-7-62x51mm-nato-barrel-length-versus-velocity-28-to-16-5/
@@gsxr1189 I get it dead is dead but I have to argue a 165G Partition is gonna do more damage than any 6.5CM period bullet 500 yards and in . If your referring to LE or Military Applications. Then I'd have to agree that 6.5CM is probably a better choice for hunting 2 legged creatures at extended ranges. For LE standpoint I can't imagine any SWAT Sniper needing a 6.5CM. Pretty sure the longest confirmed Sniper shot for LE is under 300M .
i love my TC compass 2 6.5 creedmoor....this year went out and shot a gopher one shot at 600yds.....i really do have to say i really like that vortex scope on your rifle though
I like 6.5 creedmoor too. It does seem like a better round from what I keep seeing. It's new so I understand why some don't like it, but it works and works well.
I love shooting my Creed. But it's been very highly over exaggerated and is NOT the do all end all that people claim. The 7-08 will beat it. There is a huge difference between shooting game and shooting paper. The glitter falls off the Creed when you take it hunting. And now the rage is the 6.5 PRC.
Love my 308, love my 6.5. For deer on longer range, 300-450 max hunts. Dropping animals in their tracks with both every time. I’ve never dropped a deer with my 7mm mag but never lost one thankfully. Heart shots ran 200 yards as well as double lung. I don’t even take it anymore because I constantly want to break down the shoulders and it just ruins all the meat. I’ve also never had a blood trail with the 7 mag. Point is , when it comes to hunting it’s all about how well it will preform on the game you hunt. I’ll never carry my 7 deer hunting but elk or larger it just expands better or something I’m not sure. Maybe it would work better way on out but I usually won’t shoot animals past 400. If I’m in the thick woods I’m carrying my 308. That’s my experience and my 7 is a tac driver but... don’t like how it preforms on deer . Side story. we had a 600 lb bear destroying our cabin and knocking the coolers off the deck and ripping the seats out of our buggies. As well as braking in the back door before we got there. We all shot it one night in the dark while it was trying to destroy everything and we yelled and it popped his teeth. It was dark but this bear was a problem for the cows too. Also because it was bear season and we had a tag. 30-06, and a 44mag the first night. It came back two nights later and we shot it with a 308 and had a blood trail. We caught up to it and it charged toward then was standing in the trail. My brother dropped it with a 22 mag pistol instantly. Apparently he shot it in the mouth and the bullet scrambled the inside. When we skinned it, the 44mag was wadded up in the ass end just barely under the hide. 30-06 went into the shoulder at a bad angle. It was dark that night and point blank with a scope so. However, just because my brother killed a 600 lb bear with a 22mag doesn’t make it a good bear caliber. I wouldn’t carry a 308 or a 6.5 for a bear, elk, moose trip.
I haven't heard a peep about the one and only that I would Carry in any situation ! Before I start ,,,I own a .308 in a Rem. 700, a 6.5 in a Ruger bolt and many many others ! But I will bet that the Remington 7mm mag. will out perform in close up and as far as you want to test them ! I keep 170 grain in it , but if the opportunity presents itself , it's nothing to drop the shell outta the throat , insert a 140 grain and i'm out to a thousand yards with no adjusting the scope , yes I'll hold a little high , but not much ! you can shoot FMJ's , Ballistic tips , hollow points speers , boat tails ,,, and their on the shelves !
6.5cm's highest BC bullet ATM is 150gr at 0.713 and can be handloaded to 2820fps from a 24". 7mm08 can't compete that. There's a reason why Hornady's heaviest factory 260 load is 130gr. 260 has issues fitting the heavier for caliber high BC 147 & 150 pills in all magazine lengths that's the reason why SOCOM adopted 6.5cm over 260 and has rechambered their SR25's and MK20's.
With similar weight, 6.5 at 143gr and .308 at 150gr, the 6.5 carries more energy after 200-300 yards and has 5+ inches less wind drift at 400-500 yards when both are fired from a 24 inch barrel, both with ELD-X. 6.5 has 1:8 twist meaning less bullet and barrel deformation. 6.5 has 20-30% less recoil depending on ammo weight which inherently means quicker and more accurate shooting from semiautomatic and automatic platforms. If you are within 300 yards then there is no real good reason to switch. If you are not then it's stupid not to if you are an ethical hunter and are able. With longer seating time and round the 6.5 has a flatter and more stable trajectory than most. If being within 300 yards is the goal then there's no good reason to choose .308 over even 7.62x51 as they have nearly identical BC at 150gr and the 7.62 carries more energy at 175gr. Hornady Precision Hunter is $5 more for .308 than 6.5 for 20rnds. Federal released an entire line of 6.5 loads. Got PMags for 7.62x51/.308? Guess what else they work with? My msr 10 in 6.5 takes them all. thebiggamehuntingblog.com/65-creedmoor-vs-308-winchester/
I use Weatherby magnum rifles. Killed both brown and black bears, whitetail deers by the truckload. Nothing takes over 3 steps before they fall over. I don't shoot anything over 350 yards as a general rule because of the way I scout and place myself. My 7mm Weatherby mag will destroy both of those guns. That being said, the 308 beats out the 6.5 Creedmoor at 500 yards or less, has way better choices of ammo and you can buy 308 at any market you go to. If a longer range is required, a larger magnum round would beat out the 6.5 Creedmoor in distance and killing power. For target shooting, a guy can do as he pleases. But, hunting is not target shooting.
Good on you being able to shoot one, but not everyone can. And you may be singing a different song when you are old. Just sayin'..... Personally, I love magnums, but I doubt I will when I'm seventy.
I bought a Ruger American predator 6.5 Creedmoor for 300 bucks at Bi-Mart for my girlfriends Christmas present this year we've shot sub MOA groups out to 300 yards with it so far haven't stretched it out much farther yet you don't have to spend that much money to buy a good shooting rifle
Why mess around with either one of these little rifles when you could just get a .416 Rigby in stead. Better ballistics than both of them and a crap load of energy down range. A 325 grain bullet leaving the muzzle at 2898 is hard to beat.
Everything else being equal, the 308 has more FPE out to 600 yards and only beyond that does the 6.5 start to barely surpass the 308 in FPE. It's FPE that equals killing power and neither of these calibers should be ethically shot at game beyond that so the over 600 yard FPE is pretty much not relevant. I'm talking for large game here. The 6.5 suppose to achieve tighter groups, but if your limit is 600 yards and your 308 groups 3/4 inch at 100 yards and your 6.5 groups at 1/4 inch, what does it really matter on a deer size animal? I'm not anti creed more, it's just that I've been in the gun world long enough to see so many new in between calibers that are really unnecessary.
6.5cm has better sectional density which leads to deeper penetration making the it better choice for large game than 308. For 125 years the Norwegians have killing moose with the 6.5x55 Swede which launches 140gr 6.5mm bullets at the same velocities as 6.5cm. Hornady has actual professional ballistics testing results(not UA-cam amateur testing) of both calibers on the LE side of their page which also shows that terminal performance of both are about the same.
Also FPE doesn't lead to "killing power" (what is the mathmatical formula for killing power BTW 🤣). According to medical science it's destroying the heart, lungs, central nervous system, or causing a loss of blood pressure to the vitals that kills and deeper penetration of higher sectional density bullets reaches those vitals better.
I just shot my six five and it is a dream to shoot so accurate. I bored sighted within 3 shots at 75 yds and it was good at 275 on a 10 inch steel plate with no adjustment.
If you like shooting at 880 yards to 1760 yards then the 6.5 is for you. If you shoot at ranges less than 880 yards then use the 308. Little more work figuring the drop, but once it is at zero it is at zero. But - comparing calibers of rounds is just that a comparison. You shoot what you want because that is what you like. I have an Aero Precision M5 in 308. Since a 6.5 and a 308 are exactly the same except for the barrel and the BCG, I am thinking about building another upper assembly in 6.5 that I can switch out just because. But again, I will shoot the 308 75 percent of the time.
Why does everyone want to compare the 6.5 creedmoor to the .308? The 6.5 is more ballistically comparable to the .270. Its like it wants to jump the .270 and 7MM and then do all the comparisons against the .308 but only comparing the bullets in the sweet spot of the 6.5 vs comparing these calibers at their respective sweet spots. The 6.5 sweet spot is right around the 120 grain while the 3.08 sweet spot is between the 165-180 grain. The kinetic energy transfer of the .308 is greater out to about 300-400 yards but after that, the creedmoor takes over. Always missing from the conversation is barrel burn out, cost, availability and range of bullet weights which the .308 wins hands down. The 6.5 is a great competition round and for medium sized game is agreat but not better than the .308. Ask yourself is the cost worth the nominal difference in accuracy? Havent seen where the .308 cant do everything the 6.5 can do
I own both and like both. Both serve different purposes for me. I use my Creedmoor primarily for varmints and predators but do hunt deer with it occasionally. I use my 308 for deer and pigs. My catch-all, go-to caliber to handle anything I want it to though is my 300 win mag.
The Creed costs 6 times as much to feed as the 308. I can go to the range 6 times as often! On top of that one is best for poking holes in paper, the other holes in critters. I'll concead the Creed is superior, while I'm off to the range with my 308. Thanks for the vid.
I just looked up Hornady American white tail 129 grain 6.5 $1.19 a round the same exact round but 150 grain in .308 is $1.10 a round Where did you come up with 6x the price?
In those comp chassis style rifles I would choose 6.5CM or 6.5PRC for LR target shooting only. In a crossover rifle like the Tikka T3X CTR I chose 308WIN and use it for both hunting deer and LR target shooting. In a strictly for hunting rifle I chose 300WSM and use it strictly for hunting deer, elk, moose, bear. Different tools for different jobs... there is no versus IMHO.
that's why I went 6.5-284 norma. about the same recoil as 308win (+1 because its not harsh at all) and way better ballistics than creedmor. I vote 308!
Shaun Haglund Right! And it works well in a 20" tube. And with a 150 gr speer spbt or a gameking its just as flat as any of the "new long range " fodder. And a 120 ttsx its a lazer beam on deer.
Ya know, I didn't believe that until I ended up getting a Savage Model 12 in a 22-250 for coyote hunting. After sighting it in, I tried 3 shots with 55 gr. Federal polymer tip, 3 shots of Hornady 50 gr. polymer tip, and 3 shots of 50 gr. Federal polymer tip. At 100 yds. I ended up with 2 holes. One could have been covered with a quarter and the only "flyer" was less than 1/4 in. from the other 8.
I just recently have been able to hunt whitetail with a rifle.With that said beinbeing a old school slug gun hunter my shotgun can shoot very nicely out to 150yds.So I am looking for a caliber that will consistently put deer down at 200-250yds???...Dont want a ton of recoil with the rifle though. Been looking at the Ruger American in .308 or .243?????
You covered the main subject NOT Wounding!!! Anyone can shoot far but knowing the fast kill range is most important. Every bullet caliber and weight has its own drop as well as barrel length and twist rate and rifle makers know and build best for caliber. I dropped my first deer with a 30 06 180 grain on a 100 yd. field a corner 150 yd. hit that I bought off a hardware store rack with scope on never zeroed my me, just saying! Yes many places to shoot long west of Ms. river, east for the woods and thicket hunter in a stand or blind you are lucky for 100+ even less if on a walk. I learned fast where on the cross hairs to aim for a 50 or 30 yd. many friends missed shooting high. My first had a part of ear shot off, someone tried a head shot (maybe). I changed to a semi auto 6.5 due to being treed by hogs one very long night. Some shoot power lines or cotton/soybean for the 500 + yd. on the east side.
The reason I ask because if you can only have one gun would it be the 6.5 Creedmoor or the 308 Winchester please let me know? I'm poor I was going to have one of those
The 308 is definitely a tried and true classic round that is still a great option. But I personally prefer a flatter shooting round. There’s where a lot of 30 caliber rounds somewhat lose me at. My favorite round is 7 mm rem mag, it’s just an awesome all around round but like we all know a magnum round sucks to shoot after putting some rounds down range lol...I can’t lie I have grown to really love the 6.5 creed. A buddy of mine and I shot a few months back out to 700 yards and the 6.5 performed really well even with the shitty windy ass conditions we were shooting in and the recoil was non existent. Which anybody that’s shot a 308 can’t deny that it’s got some umph to the recoil. I was totally a 6.5 hater until I shot it.... I’d say some of my favorite rounds would be 7mm rem mag, 30/30, and the 6.5 creed.... 300 blackout least favorite round I bought a AR chambered in it and sold the upper within 6 months lol
samhardy2008 I was a 7mag shooter until I shot the 6.5 Creedmoor and fell in love. It’s such an easy cartridge to shoot, and reload for. I can shoot it all day long and not get tired. Much cheaper to shoot as well. Takes 68% less powder than my 7 mag loads.
7mm-08 is basically a 308 case necked down to 7mm. Great flat hunting round. 6.5 has better BC available etc for those 1000+ yard shots. I have all three, and load for all three. For the AR 15 platform 6.5 Grendel is amazing with a longer barreled upper.
I have a friend that used his .50 BMG to white tail hunt. Great round that still has over 10,000 foot pounds of energy at 500 yards. Ammo is easier to get right now than most others also.
In my experience, the last deer I shot with my. 308 was about 240yds and dropped, got up and dropped again and stayed down. That was with 180grn softnose Round point. Luck,,,,,,,,probably all that time practicing at 200yds may have helped. taste good, you bet. I would like to try a 6.1/2 creed. That .06 in the cabinet is like the old papaw of the bunch and I could always count on him wether it's targets, hunting, winning bets, and he even helped with bail money for a cousin. Just like an old papaw .
Boils down to what you want to do with it. Effectively, both cartridges are the same dimensions and use the same amount of powder, so it's not like the 6.5 is a tiny miracle cartridge, that trumps the big brother by some sort of magic alone. 308 uses that powder efficiently to haul 150-200gr bullets downrange with 3000+ ftlbs in some cases. The 6.5 - while not quite on par energywise - is able to propel lighter, same BC bullets at higher velocities, resulting in somewhat reduced drop and significantly reduced wind drift.
Not long from now, no one will remember 6.5 creedmore. Times are still changing and 277 fury will make 6.5 creedmore look like a basic bitch. 308 will still be a dependable G.
I hear every year that the “6.5 fad” will be fizzling out soon, and yet each and every year it grows in popularity. Now the 6.5CM has military contracts. It also dominates local, national, and PRS matches in terms of popularity. What is the argument here, that all these people who have ready access to both the 6.5CM, and the .308 are just going to suddenly come to their senses one day and stop preferring the 6.5? And go back to an old, reliable cartridge that doesn’t perform as well? Or are those naysayers just engaging in willful ignorance?
The 308 is my choice anytime, any day. I'm a hunter, and I have hunted with both. The 6.5 is a terrific varmint round at distance, but the 308 is alot better round for big game.
Over here in Europe we have a bit different way of hunting and also different demands. For example, the average distance we shoot at in hunting situations in Germany is 80 meters. So it is not that much of an interest to me, what the bullet is doing at 1000 meters. I mean, we don't even have shooting ranches with more than 300m. And we also have a minimum energy level, the projectile needs to have when hitting the game, so shooting any of these calibers above 250/300 meters would actually be illegal here. Wether that makes sense or not, I don't want to discuss. It is the law and I have to stick to it. A way more important question for me on the other hand is, how the 6.5 behaves in short barrels copared to the .308. The main reason I want to use a 308 is, that I can use a very short barrel (42-47 cm), so even with a silencer, the gun ist still compact and easy to handle while stalking or in a stationary seat with limited space. I just can not find any information on that. Maybe you guys have any experience with that?
IMO combine Known tested barrel life for hunting in NA .308 will do all you will ever need. For shooting and varmint work besides cost per round the 6.5 looks fun.
6.5 Creedmoor is more in demand... by target shooters. You are confusing hunting and target shooting together. And if you can't get closer than 1000 yards to an animal you are trying to harvest, you need to work on your stalking/ambush skills more than your marksmanship. Even 6.5mm is becoming passe'. The hot new kids on the block are the 6mm calibers.
Where I live, you can't hunt varmints/predators with anything bigger than .275 cal unless you have a valid deer/big game license. 6.5 CM is perfect for Ontario, as it will cover every type of rifle hunting all year-round.
The 6.5 CM is there already but now it is taking a back seat to 6mm cartridges like the 6mm CM and others. But, I’m in the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.5 CM no 308 for me because I have too many 30 caliber rifles.
You hunt in bear country with a 6.5, very brave. Having harvested many griz, having a 6.5 in my hand wouldn’t be my first choice. When you skin them, they remind you of the Incredible Hulk. If you talk to elk guides, 6.5 are not advised past 300 yards as they’ve had to track wounded elk for miles. 6.5 would be my number one selection for a sheep gun for sure.
Everyone is a 308 guy till they shoot the 6.5 creedmoor. I was that guy with 4 308s when everyone was on the 6.5 train saying 308 was better bc of its ballistics. Then I actually won a 6.5 in a raffle and shot it. Needless to say I have 3 6.5s now and in the process of buying another one. The Tikka tac A1. I like hunting with the 6.5 bc it dosent damage the meat so much and leave a mess. Just passes on through usually and a clean kill.
I don’t see any problem shooting a elk or mule deer with 6.5 creedmoor out to 800 yards with my loads (lots of practice) just over 1800 FPS and 1108 lbs of energy on target. 6.5 PRC is even better.
So basically they’re 500 yards and under and have the same flight disparities within. The 6.5 is better for people with recoil sensitivities, sense the.308 isn’t a issue for a real man. Ammo cost more and not as available. 6.5 is fine from the bench, but the.308 is better overall!
On the hunting use of the rounds, thoughts on the killing capability? My understanding from watching both rounds penetrate ballistic gel is the 308 expands a lot more inside the gel upon entry and therefore is better designed to kill. Whereas the 6.5 doesn't expand much leaving a narrow wound tunnel. I think 308 would likely be a more ethical kill...? But 6.5 better for long range precision.
Depends on what kind of game you are hunting and at what ranges. The .308 Winchester can handle larger, heavier bullets than the 6.5CM, whose projectiles top out around 150-grains in weight. Whereas the .308 can handle up to 180-185 grains without issue. The 6.5 has better ballistic coefficient and sectional density numbers, if those things matter to you. .308 caliber projectiles don't start to have really good BC values until they weight over 200 grains, which is really too heavy to be ideal for the short-action .308. 6.5 mm projectiles, on the other hand, have excellent BC values as low as 120-grains, and they get really good in the 130-150 grain area. Bullets alike, the .308 hits harder or just as hard inside 300 yards - it is only past that when the more-efficient 6.5 mm begins overtaking it due to its better efficiency. But if you don't plan to hunt at that range, the .308 will probably work fine. For medium game so will the 6.5 CM for that matter. Terminal ballistics-wise, the style/type of load you choose will make a big difference, which is where the actual ammunition manufacturers or a good outfitter/guide can steer you in the right direction.
I have the Savage BA stealth, Browning Xbolt Hells Canyon, and a home built AR10 all in 6.5 creedmoor. I shoot and reload alot of calibers and must say the 6.5 is so easy to make an accurate load for. Its almost like cheating
I like the 308 better only cause i dont see shooting passed 500 yards or 400 when hunting game i like the extra energy if u have a 22 inch barrel in 308 u can get 3000 foot lbs of energy at the muzzle with factory loads and ik the 6.5 is only around 2400 to 2500 with factoryloads and yes ik out at longer distance the 6.5 keeps it energy better and its velocity because of its long high bc bullets
When you start talking long distance shooting, with a 140 to 143 grain bullet. Shot placement is going to be the most important factor in that equation.
308 will always be around it’s a military round it used all over the world that is why it would be my choice it will be available versus all other ammunition
ive been thinking about getting a bolt gun I dont need the best rifle as Id be new to shooting even to 300 yards so im looking at the Ruger American Hunter it comes with a Magpul stock and ACIS magwell but its basically 900$ and the Bergara starts at 1100 so im wondering if it might be worth it to just save some money for the Bergara? Any feedback would be appreciated.
If he is talking target shooting I can take my 308 M1A1 run it down to a 150 grain round hit targets at 700 yards all day long and come very close to bullseye on 1000 yards as well! If he is talking hunting I would use 170 grain ammo and be about 300 yards max and no running of the deer it would drop and wait until i get there!
Not the ideal elk round personally I wouldn't recommend it for big game hunting, it's great for deer and pronghorn. The reason is people get caught in the hype and get stupid with it not knowing the hunters limits and the limits of the cartridge people are taking hail mary shots on elk in which it wasn't designed for. If you are going for elk with the 6.5 cm, keep your ranges 250yards and in and use a tough bullet like a nosler accubond or partition, I'd stay away from thin jacketed Vld's and eld-x's. It's doable but be smart about it.
@@Eggomania86 i shoot long range but hunting I keep it to 250 to 300 yards for ethical reasons. No need to prove my marksmanship skills while hunting, I reserve that for the range where it's measurable and repeatable. In war I'd take the 6.5 Creedmoor over the .308 in a heartbeat though. I shot plenty of .308 in the service and comparing it to the 6.5 Creedmoor I shoot now I prefer the 6.5CM all day long.
@@uwehoffmann9255 my thought on the Which Cartridge question here is... the 308 has more energy with a hundred 50 grain bullet, at the ranges I am likely to take a shot at while hunting.
@@lenabowden153 Depends on what you are hunting, the 6.5 has plenty enough energy for elk, if you are going after moose, or black bear you might want to get a different caliber, but .308 wouldn't be what I would choose for those either.
I get the whole .308 vs 6.5 creedmoor debate is a thing because the military chose to replace some 308s with the 6.5, but it really is a silly debate. One is a 30 caliber bullet and the other is a 26 caliber. There ya go, just settled the debate for you. The .308 caliber will have an advantage over the 6.5 in some categories, like better ballistics at " closer" ranges and the 6.5 does better further out. Here's the truth: if you like the .25-06, which you should because it's a phenomenal round that works great on medium sized game out to 300 yards (and further) then you'll like the 6.5 creedmoor better. It moves a little faster and hits a little harder past 300 yards, has more bullet options and under 300 yards the two are damn near identical. .308 is great, 6.5 is great, .270 is great, there's a lot of great calibers.
The military shoots people not elk or deer. A hit on a human is a hit. If they die right away great. If they bleed to death in an hour, that is also great. Of course the military also shoots the .338 and the 50 cal when the really want to reach out and touch someone.
I have had the .308 Savage and just bough a Tikka lightweight Hunter in 6.5. I feel like I’m cheating on the .308 as it has been a trusted friend. Anything I’ve shot with a .308 dropped right away. I shot a 200 lbs hog that dropped right away and my buddy hit one with a 7.62x39 that I had to finish with my .45.
I kind of got seduced by both the Tikka which is gorgeous and the 6.5 which everybody raves about, but thinking about it, at the ranges I’d shoot at, the .308 will prob do a better job at dropping game, which is what this vid is about. I’m less a long range shooting guy than a hunter. I’m taking the Tikka hot hunting and we will see if it drops the hog as efficiently as a .308. At the end of the day I was thinking about a middle weight caliber like a 7mm 08 or a .270 so the 6.5 fit that bill so we’ll see how it does. I’m curious.
@@Aereaux “hit is a hit”... only if they don’t keep throwing lead at you, bro... Easy to say from the couch. Also, deer and humans are anatomically similar.
Exactly,. 308 is the choice for out to 300yards,. 6.5 is the choice past that. Pretty simple
@@cbwelch4 My wife is a 245lb. Hog and 5' long. A big'un!
Wanted a 6.5 when I started to purchase my Bergara HMR. The barrel life of the 6.5 is wayyy to short for someone of my means. Great for competitive guys who can afford new barrels and guys that just shoot during hunting season. Ended up with 308 and am completely satisfied.
Not sure how that is possible. 1:8 twist means less bullet deformation which means less barrel deformation, right?
I once hit a coke can off my neighbors fence using a sling shot and marble.
I once shot a fly off my dads shed with my daisy and the bb bounced back and hit me right in the eye
I once shot a bird right between the eyes about 50 yards away with a shitty BB gun rifle.
I once farted and shot a cat with a butt plug
TheWest400 what caliber? .308 or 6.5?
was that a .308 in marble or 6.5 mm marble?
I’ll take the 308 in my neck of the woods. It isn’t about long range hunting here and the 308 does everything I need to do here. Whitetail, black bear and elk.
308 is the last thing I want in my neck...
@@LazyGrayF0x lol. I see what you did there. You clever bastard you
@Jayson Barjarat Just think of all the animals that died a needlessly slow death just because the paper punching creedmoor fanboys thought their ability to slay paper targets at 500+ means they could do the same to living things.
Kevin, serious question...you feel the 308 is better for all those? Whitetail, BBear and Elk ?
@@TheChiconspiracy tell that to the 243 fanboys
What sold me on my 308 was ammo and barrel life
With 1:8 5R twist the 6.5 has less bullet deformation and therefore less barrel deformation. The ammunition I use, Hornady Precision Hunter, is currently cheaper in 6.5 than it is in .308 on GBroker.
philonetic “and therefore has less barrel deformation”! Thats so silly it’s embarrassing.
@@58harwood How is it silly? Less bullet deformation relates to "projectile-barrel behavior during the interior ballistics process." Strain rate, bore damage, throat erosion, stability, the effect of increased heat on MV, lots of studies on all this stuff. It may not last as long if you compare a pencil 6.5 to a heavy .308 and believe the anecdotes, but you can expect both the .308 and 6.5 to start dropping off after about 3,000-4,000 rnds from quality barrels in most peoples experience, which is far better than most. They have very similar muzzle velocity and energy with the same weight loads.
Perhaps I should have added context, that yes you can have the same barrel features in .308, but it's basically the iron standard for 6.5CM. Have even seen claims of 6k rounds from a 6.5 and still holding 3/4 MOA, but it's all conjecture either way.
@@58harwood Maybe next time you could put that brain tissue to work and actually produce a comprehensive statement.
@Randy Joe That's fine, to each their own.
I'm glad you mentioned bigger game. I'd agree that mullies would be about the biggest I'd go in the creedmoor. I've seen Elk shot with both and I'd prefer the .308's stopping power.
Personally I like the versatility of the .308 and I could shoot mine all day. 6.5 is available from 120 grain to 156 grain depending on your needs. The .308 is available from 140 grain up to 200 grain. If you want to shoot either of them flatter get a lighter grain, for more stopping power get the heavy grain. Pick your poison, both are very effective in the right situation. I personally went with the .308 because 6.5 ammunition is not as abundant where I live.
Feel like you missed a lot of what has to be discussed about hunting between the two calibers by not talking about penetration and energy at the variety of ranges you might hunt at and what might be necessary for certain game animals at those yardages. You even said it was completely understandable that 308 was a minimum set by guides but then chose the 6.5 without setting under what conditions it would be your preference. Your video is confusing.
I have kinda hedged on this by going 7mm 08, also a tested and respected cartridge. I am very happy with my choice. I shoot 140/150 gr bullets for deer, my particular rifle seems to like heaver bullets, but both 140 and 150 are effective one shot one kill for deer given reasonable ranges and shot placement. The 7mm 08 is very good but does not get the advertising dollars as the 6.5 does, it is however a hand-loaders dream! As a side note, my 7mm 08 loves cheap ammo, you don't need anything fancy to have accuracy.
@ pseudopetrus: 7mm (.284) projectiles are great in terms of BC and SD, and they offer a wider range of usable bullet weights than 6.5mm (.264), which is a plus for most folks. And they top out heavier than their smaller-diameter counterparts, too.
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 I wound up getting a creedmore while my buddy got a 7mm 08 bolth excellent rounds, creedmore works for what I use it for and I really like it but when I shot my friends 7mm 08 I loved it if anyone wants one caliber to suit most of their needs 7mm 08 may be the round for you, great round
Good video brother . I'll stick to the 308 . each there own but good review
Same. I really enjoy the 6.5 Creedmoor. I want people to use whatever they want to use and enjoy their firearms and calibers. People will always hate the 6.5 Creedmoor and call it a bandwagon round. Fine, so be it. I don’t care at all. I love shooting it. I’ve had so many friends that have .308’s shoot my Creedmoor and then go out and buy one. It’s just an addicting round for long range target shooting.
Now as for hunting... I think it can be used extremely well if the shooter knows it’s abilities and limitations. Can it take elk humanly and ethically? Absolutely 100%. Should you take a shoulder shot with it? Nope. Should you take a 800 yard shot? Nope. People need to be smart about it. Like Randy Newburn says, if you make a crappy shot with a .300 Win Mag, it won’t kill an animal.
you can take an 800 yard shot with a 6.5 on an elk and still kill it. As long as you know your gun and shot placement.
There's a video on UA-cam of a 875 yard elk shot with a . 308 and it drops him in his tracks.
6.5 with similar weight ELD-X ammo maintains more energy than a .308 at 300 yards and beyond when both are fired from a 24 inch barrel. At 1000 yards the .308 has over 1.5 feet greater wind drift than 6.5.
If you are shooting past 300 yards and are an ethical hunter then there is no logical reason to not view the 6.5 as a more capable round.
I prefer the .308, but honestly doesn’t matter just know your DOPE on whatever caliber you are shooting and you will hit. I don’t know why people get so big on the 6.5.... ballistics I get it. Just know your hold overs for your rifle and you are fine.
Pippinm7 PRECISELY!!
I'm 73 years old I have had 7mm mag which I sold a month later! Now I shoot a 6.5 creedmoor and a Remington 270 both are on a new chassis system! I have never had a .308 So I'm up in the air!! So bring on the thoughts you guys!
When I look at the wound channel with a 30 cal.... Yes. When I consider the skills involved with shooting a higher recoiling rifle well and reading wind... I’ve grown more as a shooter using my 30 cal. Good on ya for putting yourself out there with you opinion though buddy, each to their own
AR10 and 6.5 Hunting Rifle. There ya go. No debate
I was on the fence as well but I will go with the 308. And a lot more Ammo options right now. I’m sure the 6.5 will get more popular and have more options later.
You sure? It's down to $0.51/round for 140gr brass cased 6.5cm now and getting cheaper all the time.
Federal released a bakers dozen of 6.5 loads around the time you posted this, maybe earlier.
This review is all over the place... What does a 1000 yds have to do w hunting... These are not even hunting rifles I hear u like 6.5 cause the recoil which is great but not really even a comparison...
I feel like he's afraid to offend anyone so he's holding back on giving his opinion and most of what he says doesn't apply to hunting. After watching this I have no idea which caliber is better for hunting lol.
@@apsaffles531
at the end of the day if you know your rifle and ammo then it doesnt really matter which caliber you hunt with. out to 500y pretty much any will do. but if you are going for points at 1000y then you are in the 1%ers club
Not to mention a lot of his setup aren't the same. They're running different optics as well.
I feel like he just doesn't know anything about the products he is reviewing...alot of stammering, and nothing with any depth...just obvious statements like...whoo...this scope sure is puurrrty
If you shoot past 200-300yds then it matters, especially for hunters who need that 5 inches less of wind drift and drop at 400-500+ yards. 6.5 also has 20-30% less recoil depending on ammo weight making it inherently better for successive shots.
Nothing wrong with the .308, at all, but if you're hunting past 300 then it's the difference between a wounded animal and a dead animal, or many dead animals.
I like the .308 and 6.5 Creedmore for hunting up to about 500yrds. Beyond that I don't like the bullet velocity for bigger game. The lighter kick on the 6.5 will improve accuracy for a lot of hunters. For me, I like 6.5 Creedmore for hunting to 500yrds and then for target shooting beyond that. Then I like a 28 Nosler or 300 win mag when I want to have the option to hunt beyond 500 yrds. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion atm.
Agree, I'll always be a fan of the 308 but when I got my rifle it was February and the gun stores were literally empty by chance the last store I checked had just got a few guns in and I grabbed a creedmore ( the only other calibers they had were really expensive guns) I got a kimber hunter in 6.5 no regrets shoots great no problem dropping whitetail this season and surprisingly one of the few calibers I can still find ammo and reloading supplies for...except for primers
EVERY BODY COMPLAINS ABOUT A RIFLE BEING HEAVY IF IT WEIGHS OVER 7 LBS, MY BATTLE RIFLE IS AROUND 17 LBS AND I DONT MIND EVEN WITH MY BATTLEPACK LOAD OUT GEAR... MUST BE THE MASSIVE MUSCLE TISSUE AND FRAME OF MY NORDIC BLOOD, AND A MEAT ONLY DIET......
Well....I have a 308 and a 6.5 and love them both...
You can only take one to the iland with you?
I got a creedmore because I do a lot of long range shooting in addition to hunting. You can def go for a wider variety of animals with a 308. 7mm 08 is also a great round my buddy got one not long ago and let me try it out, shoots even better than my creedmore
I take my bucks at max 200 Meters. Stags at 200 to 250.
.308 works fine for that. That Geco softpoint with 180 grains works perfectly
308 loaded with a 150 hornady sst at a 2750 fps muzzle velocity works at better than twice that range.
My 308 was a M60 MG with tripod and extra barrel plus ammo ..
Tell me about heavy lol.
the 308 had more drop and recoil because you were shooting a heavier bullet at a slower speed. if you shot a 150 gr bullet out of the 308 it would have the same recoil because its a closer bullet to the weight of the one your shooting through the creedmoor. you have to compare apples to apples. dont give me a gun that shoots a 180gr bullet and a 40gr bullet and try to compare them.
Glenn Fuller I would agree but 140gr is about a as high a gr bullet you can get for 6.5 Creedmoor, high bc. The 308 to get similar bc you have to get well up there, 168gr or more. So that’s apples to apples.
With similar weight, 6.5 at 143gr vs .308 at 150gr, both out of a 24 inch barrel, the 6.5 maintains higher energy after only 200yds.
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Sound logic, as far as it goes, Glenn. However, the dilemma is that 6.5mm/.264-caliber slugs exhibit excellent BC and SD values as low as 120-130-grains in weight, and truly outstanding values from 140-150-grains, whereas the .308 does not get into good-excellent numbers until it hits 190-grains or so and above, which is really pushing the short-action .308 case. I'm a .308 fan, for sure, but you want physics working for you, not against you - whenever possible. Or as the competitors say, "High muzzle velocity is temporary, but a good BC value is forever"... and the problem with .308-caliber projectiles is their BC valves don't get really good until around 200-grains or so, which is really too heavy for the .308 case. Which, in a nutshell, is why the U.S. Army moved to adopt 300Win-Mag as their intermediate sniper rifle caliber. That case can handle up to 230-grains, hence the really slippery bullets in the 200-230 range. Far as .308 is concerned, it is an excellent all-around performer out to 800 yards, and in skilled hands, out to 1100 yards. Perfect? No, but adequate to very good.
Thanks for the expert advice. I’m just getting into deer hunting after almost 30 years as a duck hunter. I just ordered the Bergara 6.5 after hearing from a friend how much he loved his gun and how it was his favorite of all of his rifles. Also, my 10year old wants to hunt as well and I thought the low recoil would be ideal for him. I can’t wait to experience the gun for myself! Great video! I’m a UA-camr as well, we make cool furniture on our channel Repurpose Kings.
brian carpenter but even 223 is good for deer
@@moregainsmoreveins5267 certain states you can't use .22
@@joeln3415 what about 22 tcm
@@moregainsmoreveins5267 I had to Google what that cartridge was. But in Indiana anything under .30 is illegal for deer hunting
I’ve got a .308 and I love it. Been wanting to get a 6.5 for a while though. Great review on these to great calibers and beautiful rifles.
Great video mate, it's good to hear a few opinions and your unbiased and helpful view has helped me decide. Keep up the good work. cheers Wayne.
Yes it is an accurate comparison because for a 308 optimal powder burn is achieved at about 20 inches and around 24 inches for the 6.5.
A 24 inch barrel will slow down a 308 projectile because after full powder burn at 20 inches friction robs speed for the next 4 inches of additional barrel length. A 20 inch barrel on a 6.5 will not allow for full powder burn so the missing 4 inches required results in a loss of achievable muzzle velocity.
A short barrel will not allow for maximum muzzle velocity because full power burn is not achieved and long barrel after optimal burn is achieved will only rob you of muzzle velocity because of friction.
Apples to apples a fair comparison between a 308 and 6.5 they must be a 20 vs 24 respectively. Likewise if you shoot heavy 147's from the 6.5 you need to shoot 168 out of the 308. Optimal barrel length, twist rate and bullet weight is caliber dependent so simply matching numbers is unrealistic for optimal results or comparison.
@@carlosthejackal1969 excellent insight. I learned a thing or two
6.5x55 Swede and 6.5cm launch the same projectiles at the sams velocities only 6.5cm benifits from modern bullet technology. 6.5 Swede is a popular cartiridge in Europe for up Moose size game it's a proven cartridge that's has been around over 100 years and has been game longer than 308.
@ Gs Xr: The venerable 6.5x55 (Swedish Mauser) can do pretty much anything that the 6.5 Creedmoor can do. It's a long-action cartridge, so it can hold more propellant than the newer short-action 6.5 CM. But the 6.5 CM makes up for it by allowing bullets to be seated longer, giving more usable powder space. Still, if you trial them side-by-side, the 6.5x55 is capable of pushing the same slug 150-200 fps faster. I'll concede that the 6.5 CM is probably the more-accurate of the two, if that's your game - but properly tuned, the 6.5x55 is also capable of excellent performance in that department. It's a great cartridge, it really is. The Swedes and Norwegians (who also helped develop it) must be over there in Europe laughing their heads off, looking at all of the fuss about 6.5 CM and saying "What took you guys so long?" To me, the appeal of the 6.5 CM is that it can be used in platforms which already shoot .308. If you own an LR-308 AR platform that uses P-mags, you just need a 6.5 CM upper and you are good to go, since the cartridge works from a std..308 P-mag or equivalent. The 6.5x55 Swedish, is in many ways, their counterpart to our .270. IMHO, part of the reason the Swede never caught on here in N. America the way it did over there was because of the development of the .270 in the mid-1920s, a chambering that does many of the same jobs as the slightly older Swedish-Norwegian design.
First let's start with the PRS questions, it's 2022 now and everyone in the PRS crowd has moved on. Most are shooting a 6mm something or a 6.5 PRS the trajectory on the 6.5CM sucks with the heavy BC bullets. Now that being said it is 2022 and we are in an ammo drought but there are some 6.5CM around, I'm making brass from 308 and the 6.5CM only uses 40gr of powder for most loads if your a handloader. As a hunting cartridge it excels like the 260 before it and is good for anything from Woodchucks to Whitetails. 90 to 150gr this is one of the best cartridges for the average guy that only owns one rifle or is buying his first rifle. 6.5 or 308 ? IMHO the 6.5CM is the way to go. Factory ammo is more expansive but it's cheaper to handload, recoils less, does less meat damage, is inherently more accurate in my experience and is great for almost any critter short of an ELK. It has a lot to offer.
imho 7mm-08 better than both for hunting medium sized game- best combo of BC and bullet weights
Awesome discussion bro. I've been having the hardest time deciding on a precision caliber(I don't have a lot of money). Obviously I need to keep doing research, thanks for your review brother.
Mark Aguilar savage 6.5 creedmor is your best option on a budget just my opinion
@ Mark: If you are new to precision shooting, many experts recommend getting a .308. It's inexpensive, common, well-sorted out ballistics-wise, and accurate factory loads aren't budget-breakers. Learn your fundamentals on the .308 and when you have learned enough, get into a specialist chambering like 6.5 CM. Bear in mind, too, that unless you have access to a range of 600 yards or more, the differences between the two cartridges probably won't matter as much, since the 6.5 CM only really starts to out-shine the .308 as distances increase. On the other hand, the 6.5 is tremendously efficient with most projectiles having an excellent BC and SD value, and they also perform better in the wind than .308 projectiles, much of the time. Somewhat milder recoil impulse, too, than the .308. As of now, .308 is cheaper but with 6.5 CM increasing in popularity, prices for it are dropping and becoming more-competitive. As for precision competition use, the 6.5 and 6mm rifles have pretty much replaced .308s as the preferred platform in things like the PRS (precision rifle series) competitions, etc. In terms of barrel wear, the 6.5 CM is harder on barrels than .308 - consequently, you'll have to replace the barrel sooner. If that's an issue, bear that in mind, too.
I bought the Savage 6.5, all you will ever need.
Cant belive i watched this video put the 6.5 up against the 270 so sick of hearing about the 6.5 vs 308
Friends and Family are taking Roosevelt Elk in Idaho consistently with the 6.5 Creedmoor. No long run off's that can't be found. Hard hitting round and I love my 6.5 Creedmoor.
There are no Roosevelt Elk in Idaho.
7mm 08 is just as good in my opinion! Plus, the 260 Remington has been around for years and identical to the 6.5??? What do you think?
THE REASON. 260 DIDN'T DO DO WELL, BECAUSE REMINGTON FAILED TO MARKET IT WELL AND THE INTERNET WASN'T AS HOT THING BACK IN THE 90'S. THE AVAILABILITY OF 6.5 BULLET CHOICES WAS ANOTHER REASON IT FAILED THE
.260, BUT LOT OF PRS SHOOTERS USE IT AND SOME IN .260 ACKLEY IMPROVED.
I took the 6.5 because it was the easiest to find ammo for around here
7mm 08 is a great round and so is the 260. the 260 did have problems that caused it to never catch on. Remington has struggled for many years on twist rate, and that's what killed it from really catching on years ago. this is where the creedmoor out shines the 260. I know guys who have new 260 builds with 1-8 twist rates and they are amazing. 7mm 08 had similar issues.
stroudads They had the rate of twist down they just didn’t have any of the bullet options they do now for it to be relevant. Biggest downfall of the .260 is the shoulder angle, trying to reach the lands with it and still feed from a magazine.
I grabbed a creedmore and I really like it shoots great drops deer no problem and the big one is I can actually still find ammo for it but I totally agree my buddy picked up a 7mm08 and after I tried it out I loved it, excellent round
Just picked up a 6.5 creedmore on a budget the Savage XP . Gonna throw the sig sauer sierra BDX scope on it I already have the range finder, pretty stoked
Me too, but I went with a Nicon Buckmaster II
IF I HAD A CHOICE OF ONE CALIBER, GIVE ME THAT BEAUTIFUL "BUSTIN .308".
'PERIOD'😉👉
yeah 6.5 shooters are hurting for ammo now. still some 308 available
After seeing .308 and 6.5 shot into ballistic gelatin, .308 is my choice for hunting.
Archer Paintball - that’s too simplistic.
Agreed 110% . I will take a 308 over 6.5CM any day for hunting . Plus the 308 works better with 16" or 18" barrels . The 6.5CM needs at least a 20" .
I don't believe that 308 has better terminal ballistics than 6.5cm. Hornady has actual professional ballistics testing results(not UA-cam amateur testing) of both 6.5cm and 308 on the LE side of their page which also shows that terminal performance of both are about the same.
@@seanwhite304 Aakshalay 6.5cm beats the shit out of 308 regardless of barrel length. 308 and 6.5cm both lose about 25 FPS per inch of barrel loss between 26" and 16".
rifleshooter.com/2016/02/6-5-creedmoor-effect-of-barrel-length-on-velocity-cutting-up-a-creedmoor/
rifleshooter.com/2014/12/308-winchester-7-62x51mm-nato-barrel-length-versus-velocity-28-to-16-5/
@@gsxr1189 I get it dead is dead but I have to argue a 165G Partition is gonna do more damage than any 6.5CM period bullet 500 yards and in .
If your referring to LE or Military Applications. Then I'd have to agree that 6.5CM is probably a better choice for hunting 2 legged creatures at extended ranges.
For LE standpoint I can't imagine any SWAT Sniper needing a 6.5CM. Pretty sure the longest confirmed Sniper shot for LE is under 300M .
i love my TC compass 2 6.5 creedmoor....this year went out and shot a gopher one shot at 600yds.....i really do have to say i really like that vortex scope on your rifle though
I like 6.5 creedmoor too. It does seem like a better round from what I keep seeing. It's new so I understand why some don't like it, but it works and works well.
I love shooting my Creed. But it's been very highly over exaggerated and is NOT the do all end all that people claim. The 7-08 will beat it. There is a huge difference between shooting game and shooting paper. The glitter falls off the Creed when you take it hunting. And now the rage is the 6.5 PRC.
Love my 308, love my 6.5. For deer on longer range, 300-450 max hunts. Dropping animals in their tracks with both every time. I’ve never dropped a deer with my 7mm mag but never lost one thankfully. Heart shots ran 200 yards as well as double lung. I don’t even take it anymore because I constantly want to break down the shoulders and it just ruins all the meat. I’ve also never had a blood trail with the 7 mag. Point is , when it comes to hunting it’s all about how well it will preform on the game you hunt. I’ll never carry my 7 deer hunting but elk or larger it just expands better or something I’m not sure. Maybe it would work better way on out but I usually won’t shoot animals past 400. If I’m in the thick woods I’m carrying my 308. That’s my experience and my 7 is a tac driver but... don’t like how it preforms on deer . Side story. we had a 600 lb bear destroying our cabin and knocking the coolers off the deck and ripping the seats out of our buggies. As well as braking in the back door before we got there. We all shot it one night in the dark while it was trying to destroy everything and we yelled and it popped his teeth. It was dark but this bear was a problem for the cows too. Also because it was bear season and we had a tag. 30-06, and a 44mag the first night. It came back two nights later and we shot it with a 308 and had a blood trail. We caught up to it and it charged toward then was standing in the trail. My brother dropped it with a 22 mag pistol instantly. Apparently he shot it in the mouth and the bullet scrambled the inside. When we skinned it, the 44mag was wadded up in the ass end just barely under the hide. 30-06 went into the shoulder at a bad angle. It was dark that night and point blank with a scope so. However, just because my brother killed a 600 lb bear with a 22mag doesn’t make it a good bear caliber. I wouldn’t carry a 308 or a 6.5 for a bear, elk, moose trip.
It has gotten super affordable lately. 125g factory ammo $13.00 thats worth it for brass alone
I haven't heard a peep about the one and only that I would Carry in any situation ! Before I start ,,,I own a .308 in a Rem. 700, a 6.5 in a Ruger bolt and many many others ! But I will bet that the Remington 7mm mag. will out perform in close up and as far as you want to test them ! I keep 170 grain in it , but if the opportunity presents itself , it's nothing to drop the shell outta the throat , insert a 140 grain and i'm out to a thousand yards with no adjusting the scope , yes I'll hold a little high , but not much ! you can shoot FMJ's , Ballistic tips , hollow points speers , boat tails ,,, and their on the shelves !
A better question might be, why 6.5 at all? We already have 7m 08, & 260 Remington.
They are well proven, extremely good cartridges.
6.5cm's highest BC bullet ATM is 150gr at 0.713 and can be handloaded to 2820fps from a 24". 7mm08 can't compete that. There's a reason why Hornady's heaviest factory 260 load is 130gr. 260 has issues fitting the heavier for caliber high BC 147 & 150 pills in all magazine lengths that's the reason why SOCOM adopted 6.5cm over 260 and has rechambered their SR25's and MK20's.
Gs Xr well said brother well said!!! Thanks
With similar weight, 6.5 at 143gr and .308 at 150gr, the 6.5 carries more energy after 200-300 yards and has 5+ inches less wind drift at 400-500 yards when both are fired from a 24 inch barrel, both with ELD-X.
6.5 has 1:8 twist meaning less bullet and barrel deformation.
6.5 has 20-30% less recoil depending on ammo weight which inherently means quicker and more accurate shooting from semiautomatic and automatic platforms.
If you are within 300 yards then there is no real good reason to switch. If you are not then it's stupid not to if you are an ethical hunter and are able.
With longer seating time and round the 6.5 has a flatter and more stable trajectory than most. If being within 300 yards is the goal then there's no good reason to choose .308 over even 7.62x51 as they have nearly identical BC at 150gr and the 7.62 carries more energy at 175gr.
Hornady Precision Hunter is $5 more for .308 than 6.5 for 20rnds. Federal released an entire line of 6.5 loads.
Got PMags for 7.62x51/.308? Guess what else they work with?
My msr 10 in 6.5 takes them all.
thebiggamehuntingblog.com/65-creedmoor-vs-308-winchester/
I’ve took a gemsbuck at 1175 with a 6.5 73 yard run out stop and drop
This video is super shill. It's more about the products in the video rather than the calibers it was supposed to be about.
I have both 308 and 270 wsm, and i prefer 270wsm that shoots flatter and have better muzzle energy meaning better stopping power
I use Weatherby magnum rifles. Killed both brown and black bears, whitetail deers by the truckload.
Nothing takes over 3 steps before they fall over.
I don't shoot anything over 350 yards as a general rule because of the way I scout and place myself.
My 7mm Weatherby mag will destroy both of those guns.
That being said, the 308 beats out the 6.5 Creedmoor at 500 yards or less, has way better choices of ammo and you can buy 308 at any market you go to.
If a longer range is required, a larger magnum round would beat out the 6.5 Creedmoor in distance and killing power.
For target shooting, a guy can do as he pleases. But, hunting is not target shooting.
Roy Weatherby was right way back in the 60’s. It’s not the size of the bullet but the velocity/shock that brings down game effectively
Good on you being able to shoot one, but not everyone can. And you may be singing a different song when you are old. Just sayin'..... Personally, I love magnums, but I doubt I will when I'm seventy.
I bought a Ruger American predator 6.5 Creedmoor for 300 bucks at Bi-Mart for my girlfriends Christmas present this year we've shot sub MOA groups out to 300 yards with it so far haven't stretched it out much farther yet you don't have to spend that much money to buy a good shooting rifle
I'll still take my M21 with 168gr BT's , but am willing to experiment with the creedmore
I am putting together a 6.5 Creedmoor for these same reasons.
There's always going to be a new magical cartridge....
that is what engineering and technology is for. slight improvements are improvements nonetheless
Why mess around with either one of these little rifles when you could just get a .416 Rigby in stead. Better ballistics than both of them and a crap load of energy down range. A 325 grain bullet leaving the muzzle at 2898 is hard to beat.
Everything else being equal, the 308 has more FPE out to 600 yards and only beyond that does the 6.5 start to barely surpass the 308 in FPE. It's FPE that equals killing power and neither of these calibers should be ethically shot at game beyond that so the over 600 yard FPE is pretty much not relevant. I'm talking for large game here. The 6.5 suppose to achieve tighter groups, but if your limit is 600 yards and your 308 groups 3/4 inch at 100 yards and your 6.5 groups at 1/4 inch, what does it really matter on a deer size animal? I'm not anti creed more, it's just that I've been in the gun world long enough to see so many new in between calibers that are really unnecessary.
6.5cm has better sectional density which leads to deeper penetration making the it better choice for large game than 308. For 125 years the Norwegians have killing moose with the 6.5x55 Swede which launches 140gr 6.5mm bullets at the same velocities as 6.5cm. Hornady has actual professional ballistics testing results(not UA-cam amateur testing) of both calibers on the LE side of their page which also shows that terminal performance of both are about the same.
Also FPE doesn't lead to "killing power" (what is the mathmatical formula for killing power BTW 🤣). According to medical science it's destroying the heart, lungs, central nervous system, or causing a loss of blood pressure to the vitals that kills and deeper penetration of higher sectional density bullets reaches those vitals better.
6.5 actually carries more energy after 300 yards, all things being equal. At 500 yards the 6.5 is clearly superior in power and accuracy.
I just shot my six five and it is a dream to shoot so accurate. I bored sighted within 3 shots at 75 yds and it was good at 275 on a 10 inch steel plate with no adjustment.
I picked the one I can shoot more before needing a new barrel.
If you like shooting at 880 yards to 1760 yards then the 6.5 is for you. If you shoot at ranges less than 880 yards then use the 308. Little more work figuring the drop, but once it is at zero it is at zero. But - comparing calibers of rounds is just that a comparison. You shoot what you want because that is what you like. I have an Aero Precision M5 in 308. Since a 6.5 and a 308 are exactly the same except for the barrel and the BCG, I am thinking about building another upper assembly in 6.5 that I can switch out just because. But again, I will shoot the 308 75 percent of the time.
I got a stock for my Savage axis is a savage position stock works good.
My first 308 win I got in 2018
I like it very light recoil.
Why does everyone want to compare the 6.5 creedmoor to the .308? The 6.5 is more ballistically comparable to the .270. Its like it wants to jump the .270 and 7MM and then do all the comparisons against the .308 but only comparing the bullets in the sweet spot of the 6.5 vs comparing these calibers at their respective sweet spots. The 6.5 sweet spot is right around the 120 grain while the 3.08 sweet spot is between the 165-180 grain. The kinetic energy transfer of the .308 is greater out to about 300-400 yards but after that, the creedmoor takes over. Always missing from the conversation is barrel burn out, cost, availability and range of bullet weights which the .308 wins hands down. The 6.5 is a great competition round and for medium sized game is agreat but not better than the .308. Ask yourself is the cost worth the nominal difference in accuracy? Havent seen where the .308 cant do everything the 6.5 can do
I own both and like both. Both serve different purposes for me. I use my Creedmoor primarily for varmints and predators but do hunt deer with it occasionally. I use my 308 for deer and pigs. My catch-all, go-to caliber to handle anything I want it to though is my 300 win mag.
The Creed costs 6 times as much to feed as the 308. I can go to the range 6 times as often! On top of that one is best for poking holes in paper, the other holes in critters. I'll concead the Creed is superior, while I'm off to the range with my 308. Thanks for the vid.
I just looked up Hornady American white tail 129 grain 6.5 $1.19 a round
the same exact round but 150 grain in .308 is $1.10 a round
Where did you come up with 6x the price?
In those comp chassis style rifles I would choose 6.5CM or 6.5PRC for LR target shooting only. In a crossover rifle like the Tikka T3X CTR I chose 308WIN and use it for both hunting deer and LR target shooting. In a strictly for hunting rifle I chose 300WSM and use it strictly for hunting deer, elk, moose, bear. Different tools for different jobs... there is no versus IMHO.
308 does everything the 6.5 can do and a whole lot more ! 308 only 1inch lower at 300 yards!
that's why I went 6.5-284 norma. about the same recoil as 308win (+1 because its not harsh at all) and way better ballistics than creedmor. I vote 308!
Or meet in the middle of the 308 & 6.5CM and get a 7mm-08.
Better ballistics and recoil then the 308 and a larger wound channel then the 6.5CM.
Shaun Haglund
Right! And it works well in a 20" tube. And with a 150 gr speer spbt or a gameking its just as flat as any of the "new long range " fodder. And a 120 ttsx its a lazer beam on deer.
Shaun H Yes. !!!! Why is it not more popular.??
Save your pennies boys and buy a Savage, sub moa all day long! Got to say those Bergaras are a cherry setup though!
Or save quarters and get an Alamo precision
Ya know, I didn't believe that until I ended up getting a Savage Model 12 in a 22-250 for coyote hunting. After sighting it in, I tried 3 shots with 55 gr. Federal polymer tip, 3 shots of Hornady 50 gr. polymer tip, and 3 shots of 50 gr. Federal polymer tip. At 100 yds. I ended up with 2 holes. One could have been covered with a quarter and the only "flyer" was less than 1/4 in. from the other 8.
Jared Thompson don’t know where you get that you’re saving money buying an Alamo. These guns start out $1000 about a Bergara
I love my Savage 6.5
Savage 111 (30-06) 600 yds all day
I just recently have been able to hunt whitetail with a rifle.With that said beinbeing a old school slug gun hunter my shotgun can shoot very nicely out to 150yds.So I am looking for a caliber that will consistently put deer down at 200-250yds???...Dont want a ton of recoil with the rifle though. Been looking at the Ruger American in .308 or .243?????
You covered the main subject NOT Wounding!!! Anyone can shoot far but knowing the fast kill range is most important. Every bullet caliber and weight has its own drop as well as barrel length and twist rate and rifle makers know and build best for caliber. I dropped my first deer with a 30 06 180 grain on a 100 yd. field a corner 150 yd. hit that I bought off a hardware store rack with scope on never zeroed my me, just saying! Yes many places to shoot long west of Ms. river, east for the woods and thicket hunter in a stand or blind you are lucky for 100+ even less if on a walk. I learned fast where on the cross hairs to aim for a 50 or 30 yd. many friends missed shooting high. My first had a part of ear shot off, someone tried a head shot (maybe). I changed to a semi auto 6.5 due to being treed by hogs one very long night. Some shoot power lines or cotton/soybean for the 500 + yd. on the east side.
Did you use the 6.5 creedmoor on that elk? Nice video man. Well done.
Why is he talking about guns for? Thought this was about rounds, very confusing.
The reason I ask because if you can only have one gun would it be the 6.5 Creedmoor or the 308 Winchester please let me know? I'm poor I was going to have one of those
The 308 is definitely a tried and true classic round that is still a great option. But I personally prefer a flatter shooting round. There’s where a lot of 30 caliber rounds somewhat lose me at. My favorite round is 7 mm rem mag, it’s just an awesome all around round but like we all know a magnum round sucks to shoot after putting some rounds down range lol...I can’t lie I have grown to really love the 6.5 creed. A buddy of mine and I shot a few months back out to 700 yards and the 6.5 performed really well even with the shitty windy ass conditions we were shooting in and the recoil was non existent. Which anybody that’s shot a 308 can’t deny that it’s got some umph to the recoil. I was totally a 6.5 hater until I shot it.... I’d say some of my favorite rounds would be 7mm rem mag, 30/30, and the 6.5 creed.... 300 blackout least favorite round I bought a AR chambered in it and sold the upper within 6 months lol
why not 7mm 08?
samhardy2008 I was a 7mag shooter until I shot the 6.5 Creedmoor and fell in love. It’s such an easy cartridge to shoot, and reload for. I can shoot it all day long and not get tired. Much cheaper to shoot as well. Takes 68% less powder than my 7 mag loads.
7mm 08 is not same as 7mm magnum
7mm-08 is basically a 308 case necked down to 7mm. Great flat hunting round. 6.5 has better BC available etc for those 1000+ yard shots. I have all three, and load for all three. For the AR 15 platform 6.5 Grendel is amazing with a longer barreled upper.
I have a friend that used his .50 BMG to white tail hunt. Great round that still has over 10,000 foot pounds of energy at 500 yards. Ammo is easier to get right now than most others also.
In my experience, the last deer I shot with my. 308 was about 240yds and dropped, got up and dropped again and stayed down. That was with 180grn softnose Round point. Luck,,,,,,,,probably all that time practicing at 200yds may have helped. taste good, you bet. I would like to try a 6.1/2 creed. That .06 in the cabinet is like the old papaw of the bunch and I could always count on him wether it's targets, hunting, winning bets, and he even helped with bail money for a cousin. Just like an old papaw .
I have heard the 6.5 Creedmoor has chambering problems
from who? that wouldn't be the bullets fault, but the gun manufacturers fault.
6.5 Creedmoor is telling the 308 that time has changed. 6.5 is more agile and modern, period...
@Cobradriver99
I do long range shooting. Not hunting.
Boils down to what you want to do with it.
Effectively, both cartridges are the same dimensions and use the same amount of powder, so it's not like the 6.5 is a tiny miracle cartridge, that trumps the big brother by some sort of magic alone.
308 uses that powder efficiently to haul 150-200gr bullets downrange with 3000+ ftlbs in some cases.
The 6.5 - while not quite on par energywise - is able to propel lighter, same BC bullets at higher velocities, resulting in somewhat reduced drop and significantly reduced wind drift.
Not long from now, no one will remember 6.5 creedmore. Times are still changing and 277 fury will make 6.5 creedmore look like a basic bitch.
308 will still be a dependable G.
I hear every year that the “6.5 fad” will be fizzling out soon, and yet each and every year it grows in popularity. Now the 6.5CM has military contracts. It also dominates local, national, and PRS matches in terms of popularity. What is the argument here, that all these people who have ready access to both the 6.5CM, and the .308 are just going to suddenly come to their senses one day and stop preferring the 6.5? And go back to an old, reliable cartridge that doesn’t perform as well?
Or are those naysayers just engaging in willful ignorance?
Cobradriver99 oh the unethical crowd gotta love it!! Ever heard of buck fever??? Stop.
The 308 is my choice anytime, any day. I'm a hunter, and I have hunted with both. The 6.5 is a terrific varmint round at distance, but the 308 is alot better round for big game.
Over here in Europe we have a bit different way of hunting and also different demands. For example, the average distance we shoot at in hunting situations in Germany is 80 meters. So it is not that much of an interest to me, what the bullet is doing at 1000 meters. I mean, we don't even have shooting ranches with more than 300m. And we also have a minimum energy level, the projectile needs to have when hitting the game, so shooting any of these calibers above 250/300 meters would actually be illegal here. Wether that makes sense or not, I don't want to discuss. It is the law and I have to stick to it.
A way more important question for me on the other hand is, how the 6.5 behaves in short barrels copared to the .308. The main reason I want to use a 308 is, that I can use a very short barrel (42-47 cm), so even with a silencer, the gun ist still compact and easy to handle while stalking or in a stationary seat with limited space. I just can not find any information on that. Maybe you guys have any experience with that?
Barrel life is another factor to consider
Got an Ar an bolt in both and love them. But my lapua mag definitely dominates. Won't get rid of any one of them!
IMO combine Known tested barrel life for hunting in NA .308 will do all you will ever need. For shooting and varmint work besides cost per round the 6.5 looks fun.
6.5 Creedmoor is more in demand... by target shooters. You are confusing hunting and target shooting together. And if you can't get closer than 1000 yards to an animal you are trying to harvest, you need to work on your stalking/ambush skills more than your marksmanship.
Even 6.5mm is becoming passe'. The hot new kids on the block are the 6mm calibers.
If you are a Zoomie like GT, get the 6.5. If you are a real soldier, use the .308. If you are a jarhead, just choose the one that tastes better.
Where I live, you can't hunt varmints/predators with anything bigger than .275 cal unless you have a valid deer/big game license. 6.5 CM is perfect for Ontario, as it will cover every type of rifle hunting all year-round.
The 6.5 CM is there already but now it is taking a back seat to 6mm cartridges like the 6mm CM and others. But, I’m in the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.5 CM no 308 for me because I have too many 30 caliber rifles.
308 all day hunting in the field. You paper punches can have the 6.5 for lobbing bullets at the range
I 💗 my .308 Win...
But I'm very interested in the 6.5 Creedmoor...
That was a good review I learned something.
You hunt in bear country with a 6.5, very brave. Having harvested many griz, having a 6.5 in my hand wouldn’t be my first choice. When you skin them, they remind you of the Incredible Hulk. If you talk to elk guides, 6.5 are not advised past 300 yards as they’ve had to track wounded elk for miles.
6.5 would be my number one selection for a sheep gun for sure.
Everyone is a 308 guy till they shoot the 6.5 creedmoor. I was that guy with 4 308s when everyone was on the 6.5 train saying 308 was better bc of its ballistics. Then I actually won a 6.5 in a raffle and shot it. Needless to say I have 3 6.5s now and in the process of buying another one. The Tikka tac A1. I like hunting with the 6.5 bc it dosent damage the meat so much and leave a mess. Just passes on through usually and a clean kill.
Is it an accurate comparison when the barrel lengths are different between the two guns?
Yes because its about what is the optimal length for that particular caliber round
Yup. MSR 10 Hunter starts in 16 inch for .308 and 18 inch for 6.5.
I don’t see any problem shooting a elk or mule deer with 6.5 creedmoor out to 800 yards with my loads (lots of practice) just over 1800 FPS and 1108 lbs of energy on target. 6.5 PRC is even better.
So basically they’re 500 yards and under and have the same flight disparities within. The 6.5 is better for people with recoil sensitivities, sense the.308 isn’t a issue for a real man. Ammo cost more and not as available. 6.5 is fine from the bench, but the.308 is better overall!
On the hunting use of the rounds, thoughts on the killing capability? My understanding from watching both rounds penetrate ballistic gel is the 308 expands a lot more inside the gel upon entry and therefore is better designed to kill. Whereas the 6.5 doesn't expand much leaving a narrow wound tunnel. I think 308 would likely be a more ethical kill...? But 6.5 better for long range precision.
Depends on what kind of game you are hunting and at what ranges. The .308 Winchester can handle larger, heavier bullets than the 6.5CM, whose projectiles top out around 150-grains in weight. Whereas the .308 can handle up to 180-185 grains without issue. The 6.5 has better ballistic coefficient and sectional density numbers, if those things matter to you. .308 caliber projectiles don't start to have really good BC values until they weight over 200 grains, which is really too heavy to be ideal for the short-action .308. 6.5 mm projectiles, on the other hand, have excellent BC values as low as 120-grains, and they get really good in the 130-150 grain area. Bullets alike, the .308 hits harder or just as hard inside 300 yards - it is only past that when the more-efficient 6.5 mm begins overtaking it due to its better efficiency. But if you don't plan to hunt at that range, the .308 will probably work fine. For medium game so will the 6.5 CM for that matter. Terminal ballistics-wise, the style/type of load you choose will make a big difference, which is where the actual ammunition manufacturers or a good outfitter/guide can steer you in the right direction.
I have the Savage BA stealth, Browning Xbolt Hells Canyon, and a home built AR10 all in 6.5 creedmoor. I shoot and reload alot of calibers and must say the 6.5 is so easy to make an accurate load for. Its almost like cheating
I like the 308 better only cause i dont see shooting passed 500 yards or 400 when hunting game i like the extra energy if u have a 22 inch barrel in 308 u can get 3000 foot lbs of energy at the muzzle with factory loads and ik the 6.5 is only around 2400 to 2500 with factoryloads and yes ik out at longer distance the 6.5 keeps it energy better and its velocity because of its long high bc bullets
To be more specific How far do you think I could shoot a Wild Boar from with a 6.5creedmore , effective range ? Cheers 👍🏻
With a 143 eld-x or even the 140 Berger I’d say 550 easily if you can hit vitals...all depends on you and how good you can shoot!
1200 yds all day with the right scope and weather conditions.
When you start talking long distance shooting, with a 140 to 143 grain bullet. Shot placement is going to be the most important factor in that equation.
Another late reply.
Depends on your barrel length dude. If you're at 18 inches then I wouldn't hunt past 600 yards if you're ethical.
308 will always be around it’s a military round it used all over the world that is why it would be my choice it will be available versus all other ammunition
SOCOM is using 6.5 creedmoor
ive been thinking about getting a bolt gun I dont need the best rifle as Id be new to shooting even to 300 yards so im looking at the Ruger American Hunter it comes with a Magpul stock and ACIS magwell but its basically 900$ and the Bergara starts at 1100 so im wondering if it might be worth it to just save some money for the Bergara? Any feedback would be appreciated.
Hey how's it going. Have you heard if they are going to make an adapter for them to make them be a filing stock
If he is talking target shooting I can take my 308 M1A1 run it down to a 150 grain round hit targets at 700 yards all day long and come very close to bullseye on 1000 yards as well! If he is talking hunting I would use 170 grain ammo and be about 300 yards max and no running of the deer it would drop and wait until i get there!
People are taking elk here in the Rockies with 6.5 Creedmoor all elk season long.
Not the ideal elk round personally I wouldn't recommend it for big game hunting, it's great for deer and pronghorn. The reason is people get caught in the hype and get stupid with it not knowing the hunters limits and the limits of the cartridge people are taking hail mary shots on elk in which it wasn't designed for. If you are going for elk with the 6.5 cm, keep your ranges 250yards and in and use a tough bullet like a nosler accubond or partition, I'd stay away from thin jacketed Vld's and eld-x's. It's doable but be smart about it.
@@Eggomania86 i shoot long range but hunting I keep it to 250 to 300 yards for ethical reasons. No need to prove my marksmanship skills while hunting, I reserve that for the range where it's measurable and repeatable. In war I'd take the 6.5 Creedmoor over the .308 in a heartbeat though. I shot plenty of .308 in the service and comparing it to the 6.5 Creedmoor I shoot now I prefer the 6.5CM all day long.
@roninpainbringer .270 is way more powerful than 6.5creed. .270 = 2,700ft/lbs, 6.5creed = 2,200 at the muzzle.
@@uwehoffmann9255 my thought on the Which Cartridge question here is... the 308 has more energy with a hundred 50 grain bullet, at the ranges I am likely to take a shot at while hunting.
@@lenabowden153 Depends on what you are hunting, the 6.5 has plenty enough energy for elk, if you are going after moose, or black bear you might want to get a different caliber, but .308 wouldn't be what I would choose for those either.