Kipp Davis - Jewish Apocalypticism
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- My guest today is Dr Kipp Davis. . Kipp is a biblical scholar and an expert in early Jewish literature and history, with a focus on the Dead Sea Scrolls. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Manchester (2009), has held several professional academic appointments in Europe and North America, and has published widely on the topics related to the Bible, its creation, development and transmission in the Second Temple period. His work on manuscript forgeries in private collections and best practices for provenance research and conservation has been widely publicised in academic venues as well as in mainstream media. He presently works as a public facing scholar, and runs a UA-cam channel where he regularly features videos and lectures promoting quality scholarship of the Bible.
Today I’ll be talking to Kipp about Jewish apocalyptic thought, apocalyptic writings and the relevance of these to an understanding of the historical Jesus.
Kipp's channel can be found here: / @drkippdavis
I had so much fun. Thank you, Tim, for the kind invitation, and the very stimulating conversation.
A pleasure, mate.👍
This was very enjoyable, informative, and stimulating. It's great to hear a real conversation, with the two participants playing off of each other and making new connections.
What a haven of sanity. Thank you both very much. I hope you get on Dr. Kipp Davis not just once more but on a regular basis.
Hopefully this will be the first time Purple Pill Philosophy get to know about this magnificent man, thanks for having him here Tim! (Glad to know you still haven't left)
Thanks for the mention! But no, not the first time, I've known about this guy for almost a couple years now (he has me blocked me on Twitter). Far from "magnificent" but he's somewhat personable in this discussion (Tim's guests usually are). Elsewhere, he's anything but.
It's always really cool when two different content creators I follow team up. Great stuff
Kipp at his best! Thanks mate, brilliant interview
Oh, wow. I'd forgotten all about this channel. Love Kipp; he's a great 'get' for an interview, on this topic particularly. Really interested to see this!
Thank you.
Kipp is my favorite. Very smart.
Wish this kind of information and conversations with academically qualified individuals was so much more readily available decades ago. Only grateful now for better late than never considerations. Subscribed.
👏🏾👏🏾💙 great episode.
Thank you both.
*Jesus is clearly speaking to the disciples and gives a timeframe for when the Son of Man would come.*
"Jesus sent these twelve out, charging them, saying: Do not go into the way of the nations, and do not go into a Samaritan city. *But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.* And going on, proclaim, saying, The kingdom of Heaven has drawn near" (Matthew 10:5-7)
“Truly I say to you, ***you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes”*** (Matthew 10:23);
For the *Son of man* shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; ***and then he shall reward every man according to his works.***
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here will not taste death*** before they see the *Son of Man* coming in his kingdom (Matthew 16:27-28)
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here*** will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27)
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Mark 13:30)
*He says that the coming of the Son of Man will be accompanied by:*
The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Then will appear the sign of the *Son of Man* in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the *Son of Man* coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Matthew 24:29-34)
There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the *Son of Man* coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Luke 21:25-32)
He also falsely prophesied to the high priest, the Sanhedrin and Nathaniel.
*Jesus falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin (assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal)
You will see the *Son of Man* sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and ***coming on the clouds of heaven*** (Matthew 26:64) (Mark 14:62)
Except the high priest and the Sanhedrin never saw Jesus sitting at the right hand side of God, or coming on the clouds of heaven, or any such thing.
*Jesus falsely prophesied to Nathaniel*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to Nathaniel when he declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.”
Jesus said, You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that. He then added, ***“Very truly I tell you, you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man*** (John 1:50-51)
*Nathaniel never saw any such thing. Neither did anyone else.*
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Also look up:
Watch *Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman*
*"End Times - Evil Bible .com"*
*"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"*
*"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
*"Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet - History for Atheists"*
(Tim O'Neill is a former Christian and is familiar with most of the Biblical scholarship. He's been studying the scholarship and history for decades)
*"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*
Also, how cognitive dissonance possibly explains early Christianity.
*“The Rationalization Hypothesis: Is a Vision of Jesus Necessary for the Rise of the Resurrection Belief?”* - by Kris Komarnitsky | Κέλσος - Wordpress
*"February 2015 - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* - Isaiah 53
*"Jesus and the Messianic Prophecies - Did the Old Testament Point to Jesus? - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*
*"Did Jesus Fulfill Prophecy? | Westar Institute"*
*"Jesus Was Not the Only “Prophet” to Predict the Destruction of the Temple - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
*"What Do the Apostles’ Deaths Prove? Guest Post by Kyle Smith. - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*
Since the gospels are wholesale fiction, you cannot support any argument about actual events from them. There is no evidence there were any disciples.
@@sciptick That's not the point of the post. The point of the post is to show that *according to the Bible,* Jesus was a failed apocalyptic preacher.
@@sciptickWhat’s the evidence that the gospels are wholesale inventions? You don’t get to be lazy and dismiss them. There are plenty of plausible events in the gospels. If you took out all of the miracles you still have a Jewish Apocalyptic Prophet that was crucified under the rule of Pontius Pilate. This is the exact same portrait that Tacitus and Josephus say of Jesus.
@@sciptickSince the gospels are wholesale fiction why did the writers include all those apparently failed prophecies? I think I’d make Jesus a more accurate prophet if I were writing it after the fact for propaganda purposes. Either we’re missing the point of these predictions or the writers were stupid for putting them in there. Guess we’ll never know.
Great conversation. Jewish apocalypticism of the time period makes sense of Jesus and the rise of Christianity. As the religious millieu of the ANE and the Canaanite pantheon, the Baaal cycle and the enuma elish + epic of gilgamesh make sense of the rise of YHWH worship and Hebrew Bible mythmaking, and as the search for a better theodicy than blessings for good behavior/curses for bad behavior led to the rise of apocalypticism during the Babylonian captivity as Israelites were exposed to Babylonian and Persian religions and cosmologies while they searched for an answer to why God's Chosen People kept getting conquered, made captive and/or occupied. . .
Hello, is there a way I can send you a video with an interpretation of Mark 13 to get your opinion on it? It's not an atheistic interpretation, but I would really like to hear your thoughts.
Not interested.
The audio here is 😘👌
For your consideration, In John 8:44 Jesus tells the Pharisees that their father is the devil / a diabolos in Greek. It's pretty clear that Marcian had it right. Yahweh is the demiurge. What's wrong with believing in proto-orthodox Christianity. Just a simple question for a intellectual audience.
3:30 what is he saying--there is a group of manuscripts called the apocrypha of Jeremiah which is an apocalyptic text?
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Good discussion. One issue is the assumed explanation for apocalyptism is being a response to the Problem of Evil. That's one way to explain it but wasn't apocalyptic literature already popular in Babylon?
Yes, but from the Gutian dynasties only.
Since atheists dont have spirit, what animates you?
The same things as most people: family, friends, work, hobbies, books, interests. We don't need gods to make our lives rich and meaningful. If your life is so miserable it would have no meaning at all without some belief in God then I feel very sorry for you.
@@historyforatheists9363 i didnt mean it that way. What makes you breath and think and all that. Either way its a miracle, right?
@@historyforatheists9363 what does the authors, film makers and artists you admire think about these things. Whats the difference between common consumers and creative persons?
@@RealUvane No. No God required. Please take your preaching elsewhere.
@@historyforatheists9363 did i mention god? Im talking about spirit that drives us to do things. Its a psychological thing. Like when an author doesn’t have the spirit he has writers block. Then he usually develops personal rituals to invoke it. Like smoking sigarets, drinking coffee or whatever. This is totally normal.
Kipp Davis is the bomb. Like, all the bombs: nuclear, hydrogen, atomic. And the lesser bombs like car and grenades. But mostly truth and love bombs.🥰🥰🥰