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Welcome to the History for Atheists video channel. This channel aims to supplement the History for Atheists blog (historyforatheists.com/) and present videos correcting misconceptions many atheists have about history and debunking some myths and fringe ideas about religious history generally.
David Perry - The "Dark Ages"
My guest today is Dr David M. Perry . David is a medieval historian and author of several books, including The Bright Ages: A New History of Medieval Europe and the forthcoming Oathbreakers, both co-authored with Matthew Gabriele. He has taught medieval history at Dominican University and is currently the Associate Director of Undergraduate Studies at the University of Minnesota. The Bright Ages sought to refute common misconceptions about the Middle Ages and counter the misconception that this period was a “dark age” of unrelieved brutality, ignorance, oppression and backwardness. So today David and I will be talking about the concept of the Medieval Period as “a dark age”, the origins of this idea and why it’s a poor way of understanding a complex 1000 year period of history.
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Kipp Davis - Jewish Apocalypticism
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My guest today is Dr Kipp Davis. . Kipp is a biblical scholar and an expert in early Jewish literature and history, with a focus on the Dead Sea Scrolls. He earned his Ph.D. from the University of Manchester (2009), has held several professional academic appointments in Europe and North America, and has published widely on the topics related to the Bible, its creation, development and transmiss...
Hypatia - Myths and History
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The story often told about Hypatia of Alexandria was that she was a great scientist, rationalist and scholar who was brutally murdered by a mob of Christians who hated her knowledge and learning, with her death ushering in the Dark Ages. But this story is mostly nonsense and the real history is far more complex and much more interesting. Further Reading Alan Cameron, “Hypatia: Life, Death, and ...
The Crappy Golden Orrery Award 2023
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Here is my annual year in review survey for History for Atheists in 2023. But I am happy to announce the return of the much loved Crappy Golden Orrery Award for the most egregious, boneheaded and/or stupid bad history by an atheist in 2023. A lack of suitable candidates meant it was not awarded last year, but 2023 saw some prime examples of terrible takes on history by anti-theists, with some s...
Philipp Nothaft - The Date of Christmas
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My guest today is Dr Philipp Nothaft. Philipp is a Fellow of All Souls Oxford and a historian specializing in astronomy, astrology and calendars in late antiquity, the Middle Ages and early modern Europe. He’s also the author of a key paper on the question of why Christmas falls on December 25th, which is our main topic today. It’s often claimed in pop history that Christians stole a pagan feas...
Professor Ken Dark - Archaeology in Jesus' Nazareth
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My guest today is Professor Ken Dark. Ken is Visiting Professor at King's College and formerly Professor of Archaeology and History at the University of Reading. His archaeological work has focused on Late Antiquity and the Byzantine Era, but, as he and I will discuss, this led him to study sites in Nazareth which will be the focus of our discussion today. His analysis of these sites is the foc...
Andrew Henry - Easter and "Pagan Origins"
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My guest today is Dr Andrew Henry, who is an adjunct professor at George Washington University in Washington DC and a specialist in late antique Mediterranean religion. He is also the writer and presenter of the excellent Religion for Breakfast UA-cam channel, where he has several videos debunking claims about the supposed "pagan origins" of Christian festivals. Today, we discuss the various cl...
Joseph A. P. Wilson - Was Paul Sexist?
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Both fundamentalist Christians and many atheist activists point to 1Corinthians 14:34-35 and note how Paul forbids women to speak in church. The atheists hold this up as evidence that Paul was a misogynist and Christianity is inherently sexist. But did Paul really write this? And was it Christianity which made the Greco-Roman world less egalitarian or was it actually ... the other way around? D...
Cats and the Black Death
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Online atheist groups, various pop history articles and certain prominent scientists have spread the claim that the Black Death of the 1340s was caused or greatly exacerbated by a wholesale massacre of cats, ordered by Pope Gregory IX. But what is this claim based on and what is the real history of the Black Death and medieval attitudes to cats? Contents 00:00 Introduction 05:34 The History of ...
Sebastian Major - Galileo and Historical Myths
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My guest today is Sebastian Major, writer and presenter of the excellent "Our Fake History" podcast. Sebastian recently presented a three part episode on the Galileo Affair, debunking the many historical myths surrounding Galileo. He did a fine job, but he also took on board some criticisms I had of what he said. And so he was also happy to come on "History for Atheists" to discuss Galileo, how...
Pagan Halloween?
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The idea that all the traditional holidays and festivals of the year are “pagan” in origin and were simply “stolen by the Church” is one that has permeated popular culture and is repeated without question in newspaper, magazine and online articles. Unfortunately, many anti-theistic polemicists cannot resist a chance to get in a jab at any aspect of Christianity being “really pagan”, so every Oc...
David Hutchings & James C. Ungureanu - The Conflict Thesis
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My guests today are David Hutchings and James C. Ungureanu, co-authors of "Of Popes and Unicorns: Science, Christianity and How the Conflict Thesis Fooled the World". David is a physicist, science teacher and writer and James is a historian of science and religion. In this interview we discuss their book and the origin and impact of the Conflict Thesis - the pervasive but erroneous idea that re...
Is Easter Pagan?
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Every year fundamentalist Christians, New Agers, neo-pagans and many atheists loudly agree that Easter was not originally a Christian feast and was a pagan fertility festival stolen by Christianity. Unfortunately, despite what endless memes and pop history articles claim, this idea is complete nonsense. So is the claim that Easter eggs and the Easter Bunny are also originally pagan. historyfora...
Derek Lambert Interview - Jesus Mythicism
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My guest today is Derek Lambert, the presenter of the excellent Mythvision video channel. Derek has been kind enough to have me on his channel several times over the last two years to discuss atheist bad history in general and Jesus Mythicism in particular. But today we are going to hear from Derek about his very interesting personal journey regarding his thoughts and conclusions about the hist...
The Crappy Golden Orrery Award 2021
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To finish 2021, here is my annual year in review survey of History for Atheists. But I also detail the nominees for the Crappy Golden Orrery Award for the most egregious, boneheaded and/or stupid bad history by an atheist for 2021 and announce the winner of this year's award.
Ted McCormick - Steven Pinker's Enlightenment
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Ted McCormick - Steven Pinker's Enlightenment
Thony Christie Interview - The Galileo Affair Part 3
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Thony Christie Interview - The Galileo Affair Part 3
Thony Christie Interview - The Galileo Affair Part 2
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Thony Christie Interview - The Galileo Affair Part 2
Thony Christie Interview - The Galileo Affair Part 1
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Thony Christie Interview - The Galileo Affair Part 1
Dr Seb Falk Interview - "The Light Ages" - Science in the Middle Ages
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Dr Seb Falk Interview - "The Light Ages" - Science in the Middle Ages
Why "History for Atheists"? - An Introduction
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Why "History for Atheists"? - An Introduction
Thank you for the excellent teaching. I do have a question. Easter is an English word and this name is not Greek or Hebrew. The word Easter is not found in the Bible and neither Paul nor the early Church. Would it not be not be a more appropriate name to call the resurrection of Jesus the ‘New Passover or Resurrection Day’? The word ‘Easter’ is highly probable a pagan name. To substitute Easter instead of the original Greek or Hebrew would not be my choice to call the resurrection of Jesus on the Feast of First Fruits? David Tacha
Thank you for this video. I’ve been looking for a good video about hypatia
Tom joins the dots. The Bible joins the dots. You are free as Adam and Eve to disregard God and mankinds history with God. The premise of the New Testament is that you merely need to "believe". I have danced around that need for most of my life, but at 69 years old find the Bible's story compelling. Ask yourself who you will cry out to (or scream at) when all hope is lost, and you are drowning, alone, lost at sea (for example).
@@barthanson3043 No-one.
Why should I believe this post? The agenda is so blatantly presented it gives me no reason to consider it. But then most of the distortions of the story of Hypatia are also the result of agendas. I've just read a relatively recent book, "Hypatia: The Life and Legend of an Ancient Philosopher", which is scholarly but accessible - and seems to look for the truth (Hypatia's primary motivation as an ancient philosopher) without dogma - which is not what is happening here...
What "agenda"? And if you paid any attention to my video, I refer to Watts' book several times and draw heavily on his arguments. So either you haven't read his book, didn't bother to watch my video or both.
Much appreciated.
It's generally accepted now that Jesus was born in 100 to 150 AD..
@@gatehanger1385 No, that is not “generally accepted”. That is total nonsense.
came over from paulogia subbed
Sou cristão se por acaso Jesus for mito não perdi nada é agora se JESUS CRISTO for verdade vcs ateus estarão lascado
The problem in England was they had holy or civil wars from the 11th - 17th centuries, which kept destroying the infrastructure. Once the troublemakers went off to the new world, England had internal peace, and within 2 centuries they’d invented the railways and iron ships. Also the end of feudalism and slow introduction of democracy went towards internal peace, finally allowing progress. However, the UK was on the brink of civil war in 1914, but WWI broke out and the internal differences were swiftly forgotten.
Do you personally consider Christianity to better than the other religions, Tim?
@@whitecat6254 No.
They were even altering Joshua after Josephus! ua-cam.com/video/ZEEhqRxfFck/v-deo.html
Joe rogan is right. Usa and turkey fund terrorism under the umbrella of sunni Islam. Does that make them Muslims. No. Do they just need money to attack usa opponents like Russia in syria. No . The abuse of ideology is powerful
Almost all the problems in religion have to do with improper interpretation of what has been written.
It sounds as if 'dark' is a substitute for a whole range of sub-textual meanings - some identify 'light' with 'secular'; others with 'access to scientific attitudes'; others 'clarity of available records'; others with technical achievements, or literary developments. .. everyone at cross-purposes. Frankly, as far as civilised, tolerant and inclusive attitudes, I think the so-called 'Enlightment' is 'darker' in Europe than the 7th.C. On the other hand, you compare what happened to representatives of the Caliph of Baghdad in Europe when they came to see Charlemagne, with the reciprocal and there's no doubt Europe was a less enlightened place, though both sides were equally religious. I consider western Europe a benighted place, in the sense of actively intolerant and unreasonably self-satisfied, for most of its history.
Great interview! Have you ever considered writig an article on the myth that the medieval church forbade or discouraged bathing and cleanlyness in general? There is this pervasive myth in atheist circles and outside of them that medieval people didn't bathe, didn't wash themselves and just dumped waste into the streets out of their windows. This is widely blamed on the church supposedly considering bathing sinfull and of course destroying the ancient knowledge that keeping yourself clean is good for you. There are already good debunkings on this myth out there, but it would be very interesting to have an article specifically on the church's stance towards bathing and cleanlyness.
Maybe. But there are already plenty of articles debunking those claims.
Can anyone tell me anything about the ossuary inscription discovered in Nazareth and described by Dalman in ‘Orte und Wege Jesu’. Apparently it reads: סועם בר מנהם נוח נפש. Prof. Dark doesn’t mention it in his book, and in Klein’s ‘Jüdisch-palästinisches Corpus Inscriptionum’ it’s number 166. Could it be 1st century, and what does the first word mean?
💥I find his word insidious as pertains to the spread of Christianity amusing in its passive aggressive undertone.
You have blurred the lines but they are still paralle!l
@@bones7208 That makes absolutely no sense.
Yes it does!
@ Parallels are not correlation, let alone derivation. Perhaps you didn’t understand the video.
Thank you.
I still prefer the blog, but want to get into the interviews. Please dont miss the The Crappy Golden Orrery Award this year! That must he a regular and consistent staple on this channel.
Tim O'Neill's website is a gold mine. He is a true scholar in that he simply follows the evidence wherever that may lead him. He has a very no-nonsense approach.
27:50 There is a german history channel on youtube called "Geschichtsfenster" ("History Window"). The guy running it, Andrej Pfeiffer-Perkuhn, is a self-professed Atheist... and he also constantly has to defend the (medieval) catholic church against all the crap levelled against it. "The all powerful church did that blabla". And, naturally, when he does it, he also gets accused of being a christian apologist by anti-theists or wannabe neo-pagans. Language barriers aside, the channel is generally held up to be pretty good, even some historians and university professors have referred to him at points. He also is in contact with mutliple Dr. of history who also stream/make youtube videos, also german speaking, in a twitch group called "Kulturkollektiv", "Culture collective". Geschichtsfenster and another one of those (Copeylius, Dr. thesis on the medieval defenses of Vienna) also are advisors for the indie video game Manor Lords. Otherwise, I stumbled on a WIRED Video on witches today, and the comments were, to a large extent, the usual shlock...
Strange that when you just give facts, you're "accused" of being an apologist. Maybe there are more facts given by apologists than they are given credit for, haha
I would have loved to know this stuff when I was doing my degree. This has filled in so many blanks. Thank you again Dr Kipp.
Great video! I'm glad you touched on the weird fallacy that no new traditions could possibly have ever sprung up over the course of a couple millennia, cos I noticed that assumption too and it bugs me so much! Not to mention that Christianity has roots in Judaism which itself is a few thousand years old, but somehow everyone forget about that too and only focuses on supposed/imagined pagan practices. It never sat right with me either that they'd make these claims - I'm no expert in European history, but I am a former archaeologist, so I know how shaky claims about ancient practices can be unless there's good documentation or artifacts supporting the interpretation or claim... I couldn't help but notice how conveniently the claims lined up with the goals of neo-pagans and anti-theists too. I always wondered how they "knew" all these details about Samhain practices given the time period it was supposedly practiced in, and I couldn't find much information to support the claims.... I guess it's because there's nothing to find 😆
Kipp does realize scholars have pre filtered teachings and not necessarily truths. The great Hendrix would say No Experience LMAO
Excellent conversation! I love the middle ages
Wait, this is another insidious machinations of the misogynistic, femicidal patriarchy, isn't it? 👁️
The title of your channel did provoke a laugh, but not a view.
@@Tregrense I’m an atheist presenting history for my fellow atheists. What’s funny about this?
@@historyforatheists9363could you do a response to IP’s response to you on Jesus’ failed return.
@@reeseexplains8935 No, I don't think I'll bother. It was weak, predictable and wouldn't convince anyone who wasn't already convinced. My audience is people who are capable of changing their minds or thinking critically. His consists of people who start with their minds made up and are looking for excuses to keep them that way. I counter apologists for sceptics, not to get into a endless, fruitless spiral of replies and replies to replies with tedious apologists like Jones. So, no thanks.
@@historyforatheists9363 understandable. IP is a joke. Kipp and Josh just thoroughly refuted him on the conquest. What was the worst point IP made in his response to you?
I don't know if people accusing Jesus of failed prophecy have taken the time to read Mark 13 - Jesus is talking about the destruction of the Temple that happened in AD 70 in verses 1 - 31, and he says that the generation listening would not pass away. They would see the Son of Man coming judgement when the Temple was destroyed. Then he pivots focus, talking about His return, saying that noone knows the hour - difficult to accuse someone of failing a prophecy when Jesus explicitly says that noone knows when it will happen. So, did you know when it would happen for it to fail, even though Jesus said noone would know when it would happen?
I have not found anyone taking apart Gunnar Heinsohn's work, & he is using thousands of Roman excavated sites as data. The dark ages he talks about are centered around 936 AD.
Aha! A few more people leave my tveeter feed... Well done!
Yeah. For all their greatness, ancient Rome and ancient Greece were rather brutal places. And look at modern history - WW I and WW II, communist regimes, and so on. So it goes. We need more of this kind of discussion. (But still, I do love Monty Python's take on it. 😁😁😁 )
Great stuff
thanks this was helpful
What about Muslim world? Did they believed earth was a globe?
@@firstnamelastname6976 Yes. Though they got that concept from the Greeks.
I think a lot of the Halloween hate comes from Protestants who are just ignorant. (I’m not Catholic)
yes
As a Protestant myself, I agree with you haha. Atheists with less integrity (usually New Atheists) and neo-pagans are happy to create and spread myths, but many modern Christians really are just as complicit in it. Usually it's out of a well-intentioned but ultimately misguided desire to be really pure and holy. But as nice as that is, it's no excuse for not doing research and spreading falsehoods. I end up having these discussions with family friends and fellow church members every single major holiday, lol. At least I'm equipped for it; I have an anthropology degree and used to be an archaeologist. My own wheelhouse was more in ancient Near Eastern stuff, though, so it's very helpful for things like "Easter didn't come from Ishtar" but it does leave a bit of a gap in my knowledge about things like Halloween (all I had was skepticism about how solid the claims were, given the context and my general knowledge of how little real info we often have on this stuff). I'm glad for sensible videos like this one.
It's still embarrassing Augustine thought the Southern Hemisphere had no human population!
@@joecurran2811 Why? He was working from Greek science.
I agree the conversion was genuine but it could also be politically convenient. It doesnt have to be mutually exclusive.
The evidence indicates very clearly that it was NOT " politically convenient". As I explain.
I absolutely love this channel! Regarding this particular video I am less enthusiastic. Based solely on this interview, I find Holland’s thesis simplistic, problematic, and possibly unfalsifiable. It whitewashes the socially regressive and patriarchal/misogynistic ideas of Christianity, its vile history of oppression and persecution of Jews as ‘Christ Killers’, fails to define what ‘Christianity’ even is (it depends on who you ask and what parts of scripture you read), and ignores the fact that kindness, compassion, and philanthropy were concepts that were well entrenched in early Greek thought and ethics- not to mention many other non-Western religious and philosophical traditions that existed before Jesus came on the scene. The idea that kindness, generosity, humility, and compassion were invented by Judeo-Christianity is, of course, utter nonsense! The thesis also neglects to consider that the scientific approach to understanding the world is quite antithetical to Judeo-Christian perspectives which rely rather uncritically on revelation, mysticism, hearsay, wishful/magical thinking, post-hoc reasoning, retrofitting, and shear make-believe. I’m not aware of any statement in the Hebrew or Christian bible which praised empirical observation, intelligence, skepticism, and reason, which were hallmarks of the Renaissance, Enlightenment, and Scientific Age. My sense is that Holland, like other Christian apologists, very much WANTS to be ‘Christian’ (whatever that means) and has structured his thesis to give his desire a veneer of intellectual respectability. To test and confirm his thesis, one would have to re-run history without Christianity and observe that we would not have ended up with our current set of modern Western ideas (whatever those are). Of course, because we cannot rewind history and change it his thesis must remain speculative at best. One could just as well argue that we would have arrived at our present situation hundreds of years earlier had it not been for Christianity dragging down human progress. Perhaps he addresses all these problematic issues in this book, but this interview, as eloquent and intelligent as the host and guest are, does not give me much confidence that he does.
@@Dustinthewind707 “Based solely on this interview …” That would be your problem. He is well aware of all the things you refer to, but we couldn’t cover everything in an interview. If you read his book you’ll find you’ve assumed a lot about his arguments and most of what you’ve assumed is wrong.
@@historyforatheists9363 Thanks for the reply! Fair enough. If all of these issues are considered in the book as you suggest, I'll give it a read. But if the thesis is merely that Western thought (however that is defined) was influenced by Christianity, I don't see it as particularly radical or surprising. Western ideas were shaped by numerous religious, philosophical, and social movements that historically led up to the present day. And Christianity was influenced by numerous traditions that preceded it, including those of Ancient Egypt and of course Judaism. Jesus was a Jew after all and his moral teachings relied heavily on Jewish scriptural texts with which he was very familiar.
@@Dustinthewind707 Thevthesis is that many things people think of as just “natural” or “obvious” were unknown before Christianity. Other things that existed before Christianity were substantially shaped by it to a greater extent than most people realise. And some things that many assume were alien to Christianity (like scientific inquiry) were actually heavily based on its worldview.
@@historyforatheists9363 Hippocrates? Thales of Miletus? Archimedes? These doctors and scientists lived centuries before Christ. Sorry, but I just don't see any substantive precursors of scientific inquiry in Judaism or Christianity. But I'm open to be proven wrong on this.
I picked up Dominion yesterday after listening to your episode with Tom Holland. Your page has changed my perspective; I didn't realize how much i was being precisely that which I accused theists of being. Because the New Atheists presented their science so confidentially and with such precision, I trusted their history, unaware of how erroneous it is. As an Atheist, I pride myself on my ability to change my views when presented with the facts, no matter how solidified they are. Thank you for what you are doing!
Just lay person no academic background, why denigrate the ancients ? You admit we know few certainy about the past. My offer to lost knowledge is the "Antikythera" mechanism, the two 2, 700 year old magnifying glass "Nimrud lens and Egyptian lens called jewelry, nevertheless with obvious magnifying abilities. Lastly, the "Baghdad" battery said to be used in electro-platting all in ancient times probably considered to be a form of magic. Nevertheless, more than possible that within a few hundred years if the knowledge was not lost as many manuscripts are lost a real science would have been developed. All attributed to gods...or G*D !
@@EllisonBallard-m4y No one is “denigrating the ancients”. But the claims about the Library are overblown and many of them are fantasy. It doesn’t diminish the real achievements of the ancients to note some that are attributed to them are nonsense. PS That “electroplating” claim about the so-called “Baghdad battery” has been debunked. Sorry.
ua-cam.com/video/obwnI2USVOA/v-deo.htmlsi=8i1FQ39PLYuEoUuK A good video regarding the same thing
Tell me the truth is the most important thing
Question, what historical myths are common in religious circles that are worth debunking.
Plenty. Evolution led to Nazism. Constantine hijacked Christianity and made it pagan/Catholic. Darwin converted to Christianity on his deathbed. Halloween is pagan in origin. But I'm an atheist and I try to hold my fellow atheists to account on history.
@@historyforatheists9363 could you respond to IP’s, “no, Jesus was not a failed prophet.”
This is excellent content. The false beliefs about this topic are SO WIDESPREAD. You deserve so many more subscribers to dispel these myths. We live in an Information Age. It’s about time these slanderous anti-Catholic/Christian myths are laid to rest with the truth. I’m happy to have discovered your channel and will be sharing it.
Not an atheist, as I'm not a midwit, but I would like to defend Carl Sagan. If some science man acting with bono animi motus, wants to warn you against the supposed dangers of being an anti-intellectual, and he confuses the serapeum with the main library in the process, let him. This is what we call societas, atheists. I know, its hard to conceptualize, as fellow-feeling is probably a strange and foreign concept, but I assure you that it is in everyone's best interest for you to shut up for once, and listen. Atheists are so desperate to debunk and do everything to the letter, it often leads to obvious foibles as this. Discrimination between the Serapeum, and the main library, makes no difference to what Carl Sagan had to say. And as an aside, do you really think Carl Sagan was doing anything other than being succinct? Do you really think Carl never heard anyone blame it on Umar ibn al Khattab? Cmon... How are you so smart to sus out these sources, but you can't use basic rationality? This is why no one wants to talk to atheists, and why you have no place in a civilized society, other than a phase young men go through, when their intelligence has outgrown what they know.
I apologize for my ignorance, I haven't read the whole Bible, I've mostly read the New Testament. Where exactly is written in the Bible that the Earth is flat? Thanks to anyone who will be willing to answer me.
It doesn't matter. The Bible does not "teach a flat Earth" as some of the woefully ignorant claim. Here's the deal: "the Bible" is not a science textbook. It makes exactly zero scientific claims. All of its authors were pre-scientific people who simply accepted the same cosmology that everyone else around them did and/ or were making use of poetic metaphor.
Rogan, in fact, did not treat himself with horse dewormer. CNN had to recant their statements. They also altered the instagram video he posted. Rogan does run off at the mouth in some of the most erroneous ways imaginable. However, this is verified misinformation.
They have the power of The Scrolls... I always think of Handel's Messiah when that prophecy from Isaiah is mentioned. Which I guess makes me a Christian in interpretation.
Nice!!!
Still pagan
@@keeya_ks Idiot.