Will The Push For Reparations Get Trump Reelected? with Sam Harris (Ep.1)
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In this episode, I interview Sam Harris, best-selling author, neuroscientist, and philosopher about the reality of reparations, post-racialism, social justice thinking, and more.
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I'm a simple man. I see Ben Stiller I click the like button. 👍👍👍
Jocko Jonson Coleman does kinda look like Ben Stiller you’re right
I am a simple man. I see one more reference to Ben Stiller I click the dislike 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
His humor is really slipping though...
@@Micha_el. Sam's funnier than Ben Stiller.
This is the best.
It's a privilege to be exposed th Coleman Hughes at this early stage of his career. I believe he will develop into a powerful 21st century influence. Authentic thinker.
Whats that society called? I wanna go...
I’m pretty sure TV news will sideline coleman like the last three decades of black intellectuals in the public.
Way to let the world know you haven’t studied blk intellectuals outside of the right wing internet algorithm. What has he wrote? What policy has he influenced? Compared to Skip Gates, West, Alexander ect? He gets paid by Koch brother funded think tanks to push propaganda. You should take a class on AA studies
@@jausti2 Wow, the word "black" wasn't even mentioned. What was wrong with "Authentic thinker"? Surely you could take the time to prove his "propaganda" to be wrong if it's that obvious to you?
@@pmambientworks4727 right wing think tank funded.
Ugh, as a Chinese immigrant I really don’t get this reparation mentality. Look, when my dad was young, he was deprived of educational opportunities and sent to a rural mountainous area as a lumberjack during cultural revolution, because his family used to own a farm and therefore considered “rich” and “oppressive”. Siberian winter is no joke. With no money, no freedom, only hard labor work day in and day out, which to me is not too far from slavery. Years later as college admission reopened to the public, he started studying like crazy. Worked during the day and studied at night, teaching himself all the subjects from 3rd grade up. The college entrance exam had been halted for entire 10 years! So you can imagine the competition. It took him 3 years to finally get himself out of that situation and went to college. Now he’s a physics professor in a good university. My mom has a similar story. She worked in a knitting mill during culture revolution but worked her way out and went to college. Lots of hard work involved. Eventually she became a well-respected engineer in her field and still got lots of panel invitations at the age of 65. Nothing can beat you down unless you give up on yourself. That’s the lesson I learned from the their story. I’m deeply grateful for what they had done that got me where I am today. Holding resentment for generations wouldn’t do you or your children any favor. If anyone thinks that American society provides LESS opportunities or is any LESS fair than Chinese society, he certainly needs to wake up and go out to the world.
I personally imagine it to be more traumatizing to rise out of slavery than it is to return from being run out into that kind of situation. Both require hard work, but the mentality is very different.
NomortaL If we go down this road, it will boil down to a misery competition and then what? the most traumatized victim gets the most payoff? The point is to stop looking around and trying to rectify the past. Look up, get inspired, put in the hard work, and celebrate progress and achievements. That’s all it takes.
the China's Cultural Revolution did far more than exploit and hold down millions of people through class warfare
(Marxism) , they also killed an estimated 40 million people. WHERE'S THE DEMAND FOR REPARATIONS from 20th century communism?
bademoxy THANK YOU!!
@@bademoxy umph, forgot about that :(
Coleman Hughes is pretty brave for doing what he is doing.
Fuck that, he's BLACK, i.e. the MOST PRIVILEGED race in America. Sorry, no bravery here.
I admire him, but he is trying to square the circle. Human perversity defeats any rational system. The Enlightenment myth of human perfectibility underlay the thinking of the French Revolutionaries. Look what happened . Within three years they had developed a very efficient and One must admire rather painless system of killing people by the thousands. Not that this was enough for many. In the Vendee the Paris government put people on make shift rafts and let them drown in the strong river current. The Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars bleed the French nation to the point that it did never recovered its manpower. One reason for its huge loses in the Great War a hundred years later.
@@JRobbySh u is done cant fight no organized mossad...
The Mossad?
G00d luck...
As a white with Slavic blood, I want reparations from the Ottoman Empire.
Are the Russians going to give reparations to the genocide of the Circassions, Chechens, and Dagestanis? Are the Serbians going to give reparations for the genocide of the Bosnians?
I want reparations from God for throwing us out of Eden. It was just one apple after all, and god tricked us by allowing the snake to speak to us and then totally overreacted
Agree...and just wait till the Jews pick up on this...Egypt doesn't stand a chance.....thousands of years of compound interest.
As a born Englishman with a German mother I demand that the Romans pay me gelt!
I want reparations for the cold war.
Coleman Hughes is among the few people in the world that makes me feel I need to step my game up.
Very special human being
rxp56 clearly that are so many out there doing great things. But Coleman was just in high school a few yrs ago. His success is a rewrite of the playbook
I suppose I meant by step my game... to seize it life, chase down big dreams.. have an impact
I was 49 years old when Coleman did this one. Someone approx. 26 years younger than me who has more wisdom than I do. Humbling.
@@RC-xo6et Yes.. he's remarkable. It will be something to see what his contributions will be in the world. He's a strange mix of things usually not found in someone so young. There are other exceptional 26 year old but few have his maturity and grace.
I'm Armenian by blood, but have left that community for some time now. It's really liberating not being bombarded with any obligation to be vocal on Turkish apology for the 1915 genocide against Armenians. I heard it alot growing-up, and I'm sure that's the case for many other Armenians raised by parents with strong bonds with their culture. I have gotten to know how much it means to many Armenians; to the point where it feels like they're trying to pass a hatred of Turks onto you . I can say some Armenians will never get to a place where they can let that history go and treat Turks with no involvement equally. This is probably the case with African Americans. That passing-on of hate is so debilitating to one's critical thinking skills. I feel a common connection with Coleman. Please keep it up man. I was so happy to see you've started this channel, and I'm looking forward to more of your videos.
Good input. Thanks for your perspective.
The problem with Turkish genocide of the Armenians is STILL not being accepted as factual (Turkey doesn't accept it as viable history) and recorded as such whereas slavery is widely accepted as a shameful history. Therein lies the difference and it is a huge difference. I am glad you could move on but I also understand why many cannot.
You are saying rightly that to many blacks, “social justice” means justice for us and, maybe, our political allies “of color”.
Cyprus invasion happened in my parents’ lifetime, (60’s) and they don’t blame Turkish people at all. It is very dangerous to hate an entire “group” of people.
@@stephenrochester6309It is not about blaming the whole people but a closure if you will. As you might have noticed, my country Tibet had been colonized by China, 1.2 Million dead (out of only 6), entire culture devastated and STILL going on. 150 ordinary Tibetans have martyred via self-immolation in the recent years to highlight the suffering of Tibetans under the heels of Chinese boots. We still don't hate the Chinese people. We just want them to stop this atrocity and let us be in our own country free of their hegemony and murderous rape of our people and culture. And for them to acknowledge they took our country by force and write it as such in the history book instead of this 'Tibet has always been a part of China' propaganda.
Two dudes that keep me sane.
@Larry Myers seems like the most reasonable response to what he said
You should try Jared Taylor or Nick Fuentes, far more sane people.
“As a French-American it Gauls me” :)
I saw what he did there, lol
Chinese comedian Ti Hei: "Ha ha huhh huuh"! (attempts French laughter). American enough for ya?
Leif Saba oh, the unmitigated GAUL!
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@@majestywashington2719 Whoops, Sooo delicate is science: (G=>L), otherwise L displaces G as the header. I stand corrected.
My ancestors were abolitionists who fought for the Union. Imagine if I demanded that Black Americans thank me for that. Imagine if I demanded that they compensate me for my ancestors' suffering in the hellish conditions of the American Civil War. We need to invest in Black communities and fix social disparity because it would be tremendously healthy for our country, because it would promote justice and harmony, and because harnessing that wasted potential would give us a competitive advantage. Direct reparations is such a cynical, transactional non-solution.
Reparations is part of the solution. Black people didn’t choose to be slaves. Being an abolitionist is a choice I’m pretty sure your great great grandparents would have been just fine not participating in the abolition of slavery. Slaves had no escape from their state of being.
selita namwinga Slaves didn’t 155 years ago but black Americans can now. How pathetic is people trying to profit off of their ancestor’s plight? No one is holding you back but yourself.
If anyone today has never owned a slave, you have no reason to feel guilty...if anyone today has never been a slave, you are not entitled to anything from anyone who has never enslaved you...where does it stop? and who do you think needs to pay? and for what?..how far back do you go? every group,race, and culture were wronged by some other group in the past, are we all owed reparations? ...why do innocent people have to pay the price today? You will never be able to figure out who is actually descendants of slaves, who are descendants of slave owners? only 3% of Americans owned slaves. It would be such a horrendous Quagmire, you could never find a fair way to do it, and poor whites that did nothing wrong would be royally pissed to have to pay a bill they did nothing to incur.
Bold statement...and a good point about the Union support. Solutions lie in the present and future.
@@selitanamwinga7149 You sound like an entitled pompous.
Google should pay evryone reperations for our data i know that
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They do it through free services.
@rockster10101 Rigggghhhttt.......
Nobody's making you use it. Don't like it, have fun with Yahoo and Bing :)). Or do you want them to work for free for you?
@@negochristian1 lol yeah thats the problem how do you get people to go to other search engines & sites .I use Duck go when i can . but find i slip back to gooogle for convienience
I appreciate Harris even more for taking this interview
Benaiah Wright Why? They’re friends. He was on Sams podcast before.
@@daytonasayswhat9333 oh... I'm looking at it like he's willing to work with an up and comer
@@benaiahwright937 Exactly. Gave him some good advice, too, by the sound of it.
It appears to me that Sam genuinely really appreciates this young man. During the interview he gave him not time limit for how long he would hold a discussion with him. Towards the end he seemed to be giving fatherly advice from someone who knows the road this young man is about to travel, and at the very end when Coleman decided to end the interview, Sam seemed willing to stay.
I just discovered this kid 2 hours ago. He has a bright future.
53:20 no such thing as reverse racism. It's just racism.
That's a good point, although I think that term is being used here strictly to illustrate a point, not to categorize a separate phenomenon.
Its quite telling that non white people largely don't consider their groups hatred of others as racism.
@@KBrown-fw1gu this is also what alot of black racists do. They say 'we hate you because of how you act'. They blame their racism on the victim of it
Non-whites have never displayed the type of racism in America. MUCH less created thousands of books and videos and layers of culture emphasizing it. I guess a beaver dam is the same thing as the Hoover dam in your book.Yes one way is right wing fascism, the other way is your special feelings. Reverse racism is a fake news media term.
@@eatfrenchtoast thats a pretty irrelevant point. When someone is being bullied they arent thinking it doesnt matter cus their are other bullies in the world. In my eyes that just makes it worse.
Suggestion for future podcasts: include larger picture-in-picture or split-screen of your guest to get their reactions while you talk, and your reactions while they talk.
Good input for sure.
Excellent point! It seems as if they do not physically acknowledge each other at all.
This is precisely what I was gonna say. The picture in picture (there's a term I haven't heard or said since the 90's lol) is so tiny that it looks like satire. It's like a scene from Ron Burgundy.
I actually disagree i just want tosee whose talking
@Gissur Helguson oh God so being a "fan" is now subject to ridicule too? Ugghh
Great work, Mr. Hughes. Glad I found it. Discussions like this calm my anger about the madness of today's world.
Greetings from Germany
I wish you good fortune on your journey Coleman!
I Discovered Coleman Hughes through Sam Harris, and glad to see he has a UA-cam channel. Guaranteed new sub from me.
You should discover Jared Taylor too if you haven't already
Great first podcast. You’re very comfortable as an interviewer. Keep up the great work.
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I loved this. Sam Harris in the role of mentor. Great man. Looking forward to seeing more of Coleman, too.
How exactly is the ethical case for reparations clear? Slavery has been with us since the dawn of time. The only thing the western countries are uniquely responsible for is ending it. You really do have to have a low opinion of non-white people to think only white people have the moral agency to shoulder the blame for something practiced universally throughout the history of mankind.
It took about 10 minutes to get to talking about what is owed to Africa due to colonialism. Who exactly thinks Turkey will be paying reparations for the deeds of the Ottoman empire? Is anyone going to point out that African tribes benefitted from the slave trade? How is their share of the reparations going to be calculated? What about the Barbary corsairs? What is owed by Africa to Europe due to that? The idea of reparations is insane, it has no ethical backing and it's only peddled by race hustlers and useful idiots.
I'm not asking for reparations from the people who's ancestors subjugated my ancestors because we don't avenge the sins of the father on his sons and nobody expects me to because both sets of ancestors were white.
Here's a wild idea. How about you use all that moral outrage to fight slavery where it still exists. According to all the compliance training that American corporations subject their employees to, there are more slaves in the world today than ever before. If you cared about the moral evils of slavery instead of political brownie points, you'd be fighting that injustice.
Well said sir well said.
MTB53850 SJWs want to be right and righteous , really having a positive effect on the world is secondary
I got to admit. I’m having trouble disagreeing with any of this and I’m also disappointed it wasn’t discussed much on this long discussion video.
1/8th of me is soooo down with getting reparations from the other 7/8 though. Don't ruin this for me! It makes total sense.
Edit: just remembered I'm both English and Irish, as well as German and Askanazi Jew, so the math might get more complicated than initially thought.
African Americans have to push for reparations because they can see and know that they are just not as successful as other groups that have been oppressed. Jews went through a Holocaust much more recently and are doing fine. Vietnamese and Cambodian refugees of socialism are doing fine. Fresh off the boat or plane Africans do better than them. A lot of illegal immigrants seem to do better. They can’t take any accountability for decisions made in the present, generation after generation, that might explain achievement gaps. They seem to be so poorly off that George Floyd fits the standard of a martyr. They are complaining that welfare and social programs don’t work but money reparations will. It won’t. It’s just going to make them worse and more entitled. I honestly don’t care if every other race and ethnicity has to band together to call out this bs. They talk about revenge because it’s ingrained in them that they cannot succeed until they are the victimizers.
I think that you have missed one of Thomas Sowell's key observations: those people that focus on their education and get to work do much better than those that focus on past grievances. If the goal is the well being of a person, a family or an race of people, then the examples of Larry Elder (and his father, of course), Burgess Owens (and his father), Ben Carson (and his mother), and so on, should be the focus of attention. If we really do want the well being of some.
Cameron Iwaasa and there are ways to systemically facilitate that.
@@invitationtothink8270 and paying out cheques for reparations will never achieve that.
@@sorousha19 nope
@Folk Aart That's called "Just world hypothesis." Don't feel too bad, not everyone who talks, reads.
@Folk Aart so you sent me the link I just referred you to? Lol. Ok.
Calls for reparations are deliberately divisive. If they were genuinely trying to improve things they'd call for better education and for all the other tools of development.
What’s better? Dunbar High school gave its students a better education than the whites received in their high schools in the same city. I think that Sowell would agree that todays Ivy league graduates are more ignorant than those who graduated fifty years ago.
300,000 fought and died against the confederacy, their descendents are still waiting for a gratitude cheque from black America ...
Well. The WAR was fought to keep a UNITED States - to reunite after certain states seceeded.
However, the soldiers who fought - I am sure many white soldiers fought because they cared more about keeping the US together than anything else. But plenty were also from abolitionist families.
I think reparations were owed to the people who were newly freed from slavery. As for now, my sense is that it is morally right for us, as the American people as a whole, to offer their descendants reparations.
That is my sense, I may be wrong.
However, are the reparations actually going to help Black people? Because something is very wrong - African Americans are not doing better economically, neither are Indigenous people. Hispanic/Latino/a people have neatly achieved parity with white people. Asian people have. And Eastern European Jews and Italians are considered white now
So why are Black and indigenous people doing so badly economically?
It seems like answering that question might help people in the long run. I am not sure about reparations.
@Jardyn give me some numbers in that
@Jardyn www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/civil-war-toll-up-by-20-percent-in-new-estimate.html
The descendants are waiting for a cut of the cheque white immigrants who arrived in America in the 60's will be asked to pay.
Wonder what Tiger Woods will do with his cheque, or Michael Jordan or any of the millions of hardworking self sustaining African Americans who don't sit around moaning will do with it?
I appreciate what you are doing here, brother. I admire your courage. You, along with Loury, McWhorter and Kmele Foster, have inspired me to approach these topics in my own social circle.
MrWeaverwa I agree. The commentary and discussions from these individuals has helped me greatly. And, their voices seem more important than ever given the escalation in the animus and polarization in discourse about any and all issues related to race and race relations in the past few months.
i am not color blind, i am color indifferent
@Ren·ais·sance man 🤪 yup, red and blue, they be awesome colors
@Ren·ais·sance man 🤪 hahahahs
One wouldn't be here if he weren't color-conscious. And if he were "color-indifferent" it would be miraculous -- to the power of infinity. Are you a brother from another planet?
@@kevinboone2178 no, I just got tired of the discrimination I saw and decided that my race was human, same as every dam body else on this planet, I might put out a judgement based on dress, attitude, ethics, but to me color is just a description that reduces the number in a individual group, my tush is whitish but most of me is brown to some degree, though a few parts are purplish. I bleed red, and I get emotionally hurt just like anyone else.
Wish the whole world was like this, would get rid of racism real quick!
You've gained a fan today. You are a critical thinker and we need more people like you in this world. Looking forward to more content
Can we all make an effort to get this man some more subs? I think the UA-cam cream generally rises to the top (as long as you don’t get algorithm’d due to “conservatism”). But let’s make Coleman rise a little quicker.
When it comes to seeking reparations, why doesn’t BLM also go after those African countries which captured and sold their ancestors to the Europeans in the first place? Is BLM only concerned with the legacy of black slavery in the USA or also worldwide ? If so - why not campaign against the slavery which still exists in many parts of Africa today ? (Child marriage and FGM could be classified as a form of slavery as it makes females the slaves of men).
Because it’s not really about that.....
Maybe you could volunteer for them bro😂😂😂😂😂😂
I thought about this suggestion today 👍
Dr. Haley, focus. Our concern is the debasement of Black Americans by a systematic disregard of them. And you know it, so why interject sophistry and red-herrings onto a serious subject? If you're against reparations, say so.
Yes but on the African side logically it will never happen because most are either Developing or 3rd world. They cannot afford it, and they are not going to put the potential feelings of those across the water over the needs of their own people. However for what its worth, some of these nations did offer an official apology.
When your morality becomes reduced to a single dimension such as racism, sexism, classism, etc. You can measure every cultural system with it and find it lacking. Hence the term "anti-racist". It sounds like an honorable calling but in reality it's just a way of shrinking the ruler.
ruler = measuring tape... i'm guessing, not 'overlords'?
As a white man, for me the absolute non-starter factor for reparations would be if there is even a hint of the notion that I am in any way culpable.
At the same time that reparations were paid as a recognition of PAST injustices, there needs to be an equal recognition that that white people living today who have never been racists are 100% innocent.
I refuse to hang my head low for injustices that I, personally, was not a part of.
If my grandfather robbed a bank, and I unknowingly then inherited the money, the fact that I should give the money back to the bank does not make me a bank robber.
The same applies to the fact that women weren't allowed to vote until 1920, and the patriarchy that persists today.
We perhaps owe reparations to many women for this, but if tied to the notion that somehow I am culpable, then that also is a non-starter factor for me.
Unfortunately, those on the political left who most champion women's and minority rights want these groups to view modern white men as guilty by association.
I've been a Sam Harris fan since the first time I heard him speak. I'm grateful that my following of him is letting me discover more and more honest and good-willed actors in this space. Any decent and honest person should appreciate honest conversation, whether you align with the views of the participants or not.
here ya go:
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Any assignment of collective guilt is bound to be misplaced. “White” includes of wide range of nationalities. And sub nationalities. Irish Catholics suffered more discrimination than Ulster Presbyterians. Polish Catholics probably suffered more discrimination than Irish or German Catholics. Even the Ur-group of “whites”, the EnglishProtestants had a pecking order. The Jews, who are lumped by their skin color with “whites” have certainly suffered more than an Christian group from discrimination. Given the rate of intermarriage, it would be almost impossible to determine which group of white Americans belongs to which. Further in the South in particular, despite the miscegenations laws, there are millions of mixed race people, with white, black and “red” ancestors. African-Americans are included. I wonder how many black Americans have only African ancestors? I know that “pure-bloods” are hard to find among the Indian nations. Throw in the Mexicans of Spanish ancestry and one has a large number of Americans who ought to be includes with whites.
Then we will just pin point it further... not hard
Obviously the government should send out a pamphlet with a color chart so that one can check against ones own skin whether one is victim or perpetrator by birth
There are ways to distinguish multi-generational descendants of enslaved Americans from others, so that's not the problem. The problem is educating Americans why reparations are needed, because they don't understand American History is Black American History. There are "receipts" -- documentation about how corporations, industries, many wealthy families, and ones in general who rose up off Black backs who didn't get a dime is robust.
Mr. Hughes is my favorite voice right now, plus he is one handsome guy. Brilliant.
As a short person, I feel personally attacked
Thank you almighty algorithm for leading me here.
Came here to bath in sweet, sweet logic and authentic care for the country. Ah, much better now. Thanks gentlemen!
Coleman keep it up, this kind of intellectual honesty will continue to serve you through a long a prosperous career my man.
here ya go:
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I was attempting to have the "colorblind" discussion with a work colleague - who is an Hispanic female - and when I voiced "my"views - which are essentially Coleman Hughes' views - I was dismissed as not being able to understand black pride because I am a privilege white male. This is insane. Slavery and or Jim Crow style slavery would arguably still exist if white people were incapable of "checking their privilege" and seeing injustice despite benefiting from it. This ridiculous attitude is apparently what passes for enlightened (she has a BA from one of the UC campuses in Anthropology) and seems to be the prevailing madness of the far left that has permeated mainstream liberalism. Thanks to Coleman and other truth-tellers - especially our black brothers and sisters for having the courage to go against the orthodoxy.
The real crux of the issue is where the ideal is (btw I score as an idealist on the Briggs-Meyers test). Is it so-called colorblindness/content of character or is it black pride (and therefore, all other ethnicities other than white having their own claim to pride - of course whites need to remain silent while thinking punishing thoughts of how they don't deserve their privilege).
Where has James Brown's "Say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud" gotten blacks? There is NO QUESTION that blacks in the US due to systemic racism have lower self esteem (tests show when equally tested blacks and whites take the GRE when the blacks had to note their race on their test, they scored lower than when the question wasn't asked), despite decades of "black identity" "black studies" massive reduction in racist attitudes. Maybe it would take longer. Or more likely, this is the wrong goal. And I come back to the ideal. What is it? To have a society where skin color is as irrelevant as hair color or to emphasize differences based on skin/cultural differences. I think this is the correct ideal. Otherwise, black identity has no outlet for individual expression. BLM and the far left are attempting the Maoist cultural revolution. They put intellectuals in prison and re-education camps. You know the orthodox left would to the same if they could. I say this, regrettably, as a life-long liberal democrat. I used to think I was of the left. I guess not comparatively.
Thank you for taking the time to write thoughtfully.
"Jim Crow" references "segregation." And properly understood, Black abolitionists didn't play second-fiddle to their White counterparts, something you imply. About the other comments: most are all over the place, with logic missing in plain sight. Your incredible notions regarding the iconic James Brown hit, and its effect on Blacks is, well, steeped in potato salad with raisons; the one about BLM -- a collection of semi-independent groups located in American and (some) international cities, and one which you falsely claim is "attempting the Maoist cultural revolution" -- indicates an impressionable individual swayed by disinformation from Russia and the anti-American radical far-right, White Nationalists and the KKK, know-nothings and numbskulls, the Trumpanzees swinging from the ceilings of the White House and FOX NEWS, and other like-minded racists and traitors to the principled Republican Party of yore. Let us pray...
@Family 1st Try learning some facts. Jim Crow is over.
We have two political ideologies that seem to focus on racial differences when talking about race. But let's be real, we are far more simmerler than we are different. Rejoice in our differences for they make life full of flavor. Understand our similarities for they bind us together.
Two of my favourite people (just discovered Coleman) having a conversation about such interesting questions. Brilliant. Can't wait for more.
Found Coleman accidentally through a random rap music commentary video, which was great, but I wasn't expecting to find one of the great new thinkers. I've been a fan of some of his guests for a long time and I'm glad I found Coleman's channel.
AIU brought me here. Somehow I never heard of Coleman Hughes before which is a shame. Great conversation!
THE MAN IS 24 YEARS OLD.
Judy S. That’s 3 years older than Devon. But Devon gives credits when he adapts a neologism from one of his idols...
Wish this had been recommended to me sooner. Great work Coleman, earned a sub!
Re: "What reparations are American Indians owed?" According to a lot of them....America.
lol
To be completely fair, American Indians had it too easy, you know, just walking over to America to conquer all of it. If you ask me, they benefitted from Ice Age Privilege
davethetrousers lol so white people came to check their Indian ice age privilege. I love it
We will forever hear the lamentations of conquered people, the world round. Unfortunately for the African Americans (you're just American if you're born here fwiw) their own people sold them into slavery, but it doesn't take a genius to see that current-day Africa is not much different than it was back then (culturally).
Keep playing identity politics, remain divided, and fight among yourselves. Peace out.
@fynes leigh I'm speaking generally because I'm too ignorant to know differences, so to define it a bit I mean "Africans" as in people from that continent.
The history books (as flawed as they can be) that I learned from as a child suggested that most slaves were sourced from Africa around that time-period. And that it wasn't due to "White man" invading and taking people but rather slave merchants selling their "product"... as dehumanizing as that all is.
Sam and Coleman - Twitter Is such a Hateful space - hope it disappears at some stage ! Glad you are openly acknowledging this .
Thank you for staying true to yourselves and your honesty inspires me to follow. ! Amazing first podcast Coleman ! Your integrity and honesty will take you places !
The last part of this interview was so encouraging. I’m in this place where I am learning and growing and say thing that quickly get me pigeon holed incorrectly. What great advice about taking criticism!
Sam nailed the quarantine look months before everyone else.
You might want to do like Harris and say "my audience" rather than "my fans". But your choice... :-)
agree 100%
@@DontPanic16 R U named after the gnarly Aussie Zombie flic? Rode off the dead? Conspired theory?
@Memento Mori Well the word fan probably isn't associated, in the majority of peoples minds, with a reflecting spectator but rather a blind follower.
Agree. You are not an entertainer. Your fans can certainly call themselves fans, but you should refer to them as an audience.
@@sanghoonlee5171 Sadly, the medium has opened up and at the same timed blurred all of these lines. I'm genuinely not sure what percentage of the "following" of public intellectuals are a critical audience, and what percentage are a replicating (sharing of content) "fan" base.
Well done Mr. Hughes and best of luck on this media project and all your other intellectual ventures yet to come...
Colman, I stumbled onto you a year ago or so (I believe through Sam) I was an instant fan, I absolutely love everything I have heard from you so far, and I am going back and revisiting some of your content to see how you have evolved (if at all) throughout these insane times we find ourselves in. Keep posting, much love brother.
The problem is that some type substantial form of reparations should've been given to slaves immediately after slavery. The fact that it didn't happen is beyond shameful.
yea there were reparations paid at the time ........to slave owners lol , sick country
@@dope03pope Yeah it's disgraceful. Helping oppressed black people is always framed as a handout.
I really appreciate this content, and for having this idea developing conversation in public. Please keep it up.
Instantly subbed. You are a once in a generation intellect, Coleman.
Like in his immediate family you mean? He's incredibly mediocre.
@@vg1024 I suppose if you count remote, rural villages etc.
@s 97 Yes.
@@anthonyreed480 h8rs gunna h8
The old trusty Markus chair from IKEA, same as I have. Mine has a scratched top from the cats, though.
Mine had one arm rest eaten by our dog, the top faux leather started to flake of. Still comfortable though.
It's a classic. I've got MILLBERGET.
"Markus" seems like far too ordinary a name for an IKEA product from an Anglophone perspective. If find POÄNG and STRANDMON more memorable.
Sitting in mine right now. I think they don't sell that model anymore, bummer.
Coleman Hughes deserves way more subscribers.
I’m so thrilled you have a podcast. Subscribed. I’ve been waiting for an intellectual voice to rise from Montclair. It’s a very interesting and specific slice of America and many very wise souls come from there. Very excited to hear your voice!
Hopefully you have some conversations with people you disagree with more.
Jared Taylor perhaps.
Hopefully people who disagree with him more are willing to have a conversation - it seems lately that the woke left or people leaning in that direction are unwilling to even engage in a conversation with someone they deem a "race traitor" or a "neo-conservative" or whatever flimsy label you want to stick on them.
@@swingset1969 I'm not asserting that you're incorrect, but could you provide any examples of people on the left who have stated their unwillingness to engage with someone like Coleman or Harris? This seems to be becoming more of an issue recently with people like Harris and Weinstein than it is with some of the people they may have disagreements with who are farther left in some areas. I think some of the seeming 'civility requirements' are disappointing and I wish more people would take a Christopher Hitchens approach.
"Civility is overrated."
Harris has done a lot of talks with people who disagree with him, or disagree on some issues at least. He had a very hostile interview this year with a lady from Vox whose name escapes me, he remained calm as usual, probably in part due to his meditation. Coleman is still getting his feet wet. It sounds like he went up against a giant at the politcal debate, and also took in feedback from people who diagree with him.
@@ladyj3173 I'm likely hoping for something that is not likely to happen at this point. I wish more people were taking a similar approach to Christopher Hitchens, who seemed to predominately engage with people with whom he had serious religious and/or political disagreements. Sam Harris seemed to do this far more often in the past, which I always enjoyed, but it seems to be a far less common occurrence now and isn't trending in a positive direction. Different strokes for different folks though, I suppose.
Don’t entirely agree with Harris’s comments on Candace Owens. She is on a different mission and she is a big personality. She is also young. I agree that she is influenced by Trump’s flippancy, but she does listen and she is clearly keen to learn. This feels like an intellectual jibe by Harris. And arguably Owens is more likely to make real social change in the black community than either Coleman or Harris.
Candice Owens is a fucking idiot and you’re a fucking idiot for seeming not to understand that.
Excellent insight, I agree🙂
She is a snake in the grass.
Sam is exactly on point. Candace grifts a whole lot while inserting in variable intervals, nuggets of complete competence. It's a weird dichotomy that to me seems like the reasoning behind her large popularity.
Candace Owens has no such potential or power... LL OO LL...
Funny story. I was running along the beach a few years ago and had started chafing. My old neighbor who at the time was now homeless stayed on the beach a lot. As I was running I saw him and got quite excited ran up to him and asked him if he had any lotion. Quizzically he looked at me as if to say why would you Assume that I have lotion. Being that he was a big black bohemian from the Bahamas and I hang out with all different types of people and alot of the black people i know get dry skin much more often than say i do and often kept lotion or shea butter on them. I wanna state to that I didn’t ask him assuming obviously we are not all the same and I would never assume something like that just based on the color of his skin and my past experiences. I also want to say that I didn’t ask him assuming i’d say more like hopeful and desperate. So, when he asked why i even asked I just said well because you’re black. He almost seem to get offended and said what is that supposed to mean. I repeated the question do you have any lotion or Shea butter? He looked at me and said well yeah I do. So with that make me a racist? I don’t know I guess you can decide. Funniest part is I was so excited and grateful that please pardon my crudeness but my inner thigh and b.. were chafing so bad that I was going to have to waddle home like legit 5 miles. Dude saved me some serious pain. Colors are all beautiful in different ways. And I hesitate to actually say this but in case someone misses the point I was grateful that my friend was black and black people get ashy skin because if he wasn’t or they didn’t and I didn’t know that or whatever the case could be I would’ve had to walk home in that pain. So in some weird way I was grateful that day for a black man with ashy skin. Love that dude. Hope he is doing better. Maybe we could all try to change the word racist to mean by definition that we love and admire all races and ethnic cities equally. Lol
The fact that I spend this much time on youtube and it didn't know i would LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEE Coleman and Sam in ANY context ... it's almost enough to spawn a conspiracy theory!
The more I hear from Coleman Hughes, the more I love the guy. This was a very deep / difficult topic, and he was cognizant not only of the emotional reaction people would have to it's implementation, but also of the downstream implications for other inequities in society. Thanks to Dave Rubin for helping me discover this man.
Good discussion. I was very happy to see you've read Thomas Sowell.
I wish sowell was required reading for universities...unfortunately he is often mocked and straw-manned:(
Coleman Hughes is the future. Absolute mature person.
Request you to cover an episode with Jordan Peterson.
I would just like to put forth a scenario for thought. There was a white mother that her husband and her two grown sons went to fight a war for a group of people that could not fight this war for themselves so her husband and two sons seen a moral duty to fight an evil. Unfortunately the lady lost her husband and two sons to this war. So i guess my question would be is how much reparations should her descendants pay?
How much should your ancestors pay for selling your people
@Curtis Beardsley the civil war was hardly unrelated to slavery a war that more Americans died in than in any other war in history
Touche
As a black man born Haiti and living in the states, I am not owed any reparations from America. Reparations will not redress racism and it's not designed to make white supremacist feel a debt has been paid to ADOS. Black excellence in arts/entertainment, sports, the military is the result of white folks self interest strengthened by giving black folk an opportunity. Please have Mr. Coates on your show. I hear you assert positions to Mr. Coates that are really unfair. Racism is a white supremacist issue and until the wage of being "white" is no more, there will always be racism.
I had discovered you because you had Neil De Grasse Tyson on your show and he is one of my most favorite people, and educator. If you continue on the logical path I think you have an amazing future. This conversation with Sam, brilliant, another man I cant get enough of. Ive been watching him since he did his debates with dennett , hitchins, kraus and others. all im really saying is keep up your good work, you have a good platform.
I think that whether people “deserve” reparations for the evils of 150+ years ago or 50+ years if you start from the civil rights movement is not the most salient issue. Who should pay for it? My ancestors never owned slaves and didn’t move to the US until the late 1800’s. Why should I pay someone my hard earned cash for something that happened to their Grandparents or great, great grandparents? Especially when I definitely had nothing to do with it and nobody in my lineage did either.
Chad Johns yup, exactly.
No one gets to choose where their tax dollars go. I would not like to pay corporate welfare to companies who cheat the tax code nor do I like the government continuing to funnel billions of dollars into a jobs program called the military. But, hey, it's not up to me. No one cares what I want and, I hate to break it to you, but no one care what you want either.
RationallyMe fair enough. You’re right that the government will cheat us whether we choose it or not, it’s part of living in a representative democracy, especially with an apathetic voter base. However, I still have a voice and whether it will change the reality or not, I will still speak my opinion. I agree with you about the corporate welfare totally BTW.
Furthermore, I think I could agree to reparations as long as it’s something sensible and legitimately helpful. I don’t agree with cutting a check outright, instead, I think that interest free loans to start businesses or grants to go to college for free are better use of these funds. Plus, we need to change the way public schools are funded, it should not be based solely on property taxes, that’s why rich kids have iPads in their schools and in poor communities they work without even updated and proper materials. If rich people want their kids to get all the advantages, then they should need to pay for private schools, but let all the public schools still get the funding , just spread it out equally to each school based on population.
@@chadjohns4510 you do choose to some degree by voting though. Like I will never vote for a candidate who would support respirations because I don't think you solve racism with more racism and don't think I should be paying people for something my family never took part in. And even if they had no one in my family who was even alive when I was born would have had any part. And if enough people believe and vote the way I do then that tax won't be incorporated.
The UA-camr, Atheism Is Unstoppable brought me here. Interesting conversation, subbed.
You'll learn to love the IDW.
@@walperstyle I do not like your comment
@@walperstyle
What does IDW mean?
@@walperstyle
Was IDW in the video? I listened to it twice, in the background as I was doing other things and do not recall IDW being mentioned. Lol, I am really curious to know what IDW stands for.
Austin Smith Intellectual Dark Web
I would love to see you on Eric Weinstein's Portal podcast. He could add so much to actually quantifying the ultimate cost, being such a math wizard. At the very least, we would love to listen to the conversation
Great idea
Y3s
Sign me up
Jews playing useful blacks. Classic story.
Steve Wright Sam did Eric’s last portal podcast
We need a Coleman + Sam podcast right now!! But, broadcast nationwide and compulsory viewing!
Found Coleman when trying to find out what to think about reparations. Glad I found this channel. Really like Sam Harris and will be checking out the other videos 👍
This is great! Coleman is so wise for his age.
Daniel Druff
Me too
its always great listening to anyone who isnt a dumbass
Please explain to me what wisdom he has to offer here or anywhere else for that matter
Because you agree with him.
Lol implying age is that much of a factor
Wish Sam Harris used the same skepticism on intersectional culture as he does religion
love your profile pic.
He can't. He's not really Skeptical.
The TDS is strong in Harris.
@@ckahlquist2129 sounds like you have Trump Devotion Syndrome
@@warbler1984 You assume much my friend.
The tall, beautiful people need to pay between 5 and 50% of their earnings to the rest of us based on how tall and ugly we are. The shorter and uglier the more you get! ;)
Cantaloupe, that's absurd, like comparing mint juleps and toilet tissue.
@@kevinboone2178 Since you wipe your ass with mint juleps and eat toilet tissue I can't take your opinion seriously.
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Chad tax now!
Bro, You give me hope for our generation. Keep doing what you are doing. Subscribed!
The affects and precedent of punishing(taking money) from the grandson as restitution for the crimes of the grandfather can only be destructive and the people who push the hardest for reparations are fully aware of this.
22:30 "She's not going to hold that against me tomorrow." HAHAHA LOLOLOL... you sweet, brilliant, summer child.
But seriously, this fellow has unlimited potential.
I like the idea of a kind of sliding scale reparations for various reasons. For example, a $2000 check for anyone with an amputated limb, $1800 for being gay, $1500 for being Hispanic, $1200 for being Appalachian, $500 for various things like near-sightedness or being lefthanded.
I'm surprised you don't advocate a sizeable reparation for baldness.
Three O Five Wow, I never thought of baldness as requiring reparations. Obviously it does. I'd price it at about $3000. I'd put a higher payment on it but I do save money on haircare products.
And yet there are still Native American reservations that have Federal treaties signed by a president and still don't have running water or schools or roads to this very day!!!!!!!
I thought the sliding scale was skin tone.
the start of something great i think. good luck man.
I appreciate Coleman Hughes for leaving up the negative comments as well as the positive ones.
I commend you both for the openness and honesty of the discourse of this exchange
In a way I would be ok with reparations - so long as everyone understands that in return for cash then no more bullshit - in effect you’re on your own. No more handouts, no more victimhood, no more affirmative action and no more Al Sharptons. Wealth, status and success on the basis of ability and effort only. Unfortunately, within a generation when the money is spent then the temptation to come back to the well for more would be hard to resist.
It's never enough.
How about indigenous reparations? If one tribe was almost entirely wiped out by another tribe, would the survivors be able to sue the chiefs?
Id be ok with reparations if its paid to the descendants of the original group the 40 acres and a mule were offered to.
@@marylamb7707 it would be interesting if white descendants of slaves received reparations from more recently immigrated black Americans.
My family came here in 1953. We had nothing to do with slavery. How much do I owe?
Then that should apply to all Americans including cooperations no government assistance including bail outs. Sounds ridiculous to me... and hateful.
listened to his rap on soundcloud and it is unsurprisingly good.
As long as all past payments for welfare, Section 8 and food stamps are deducted from any settlement.
Does that include to white working class people since they have received the lionshare of those benefits?
@@dl6317 yes, end all handouts
Its far more disproportionally non whites that have received these handouts. You even heard of per capita bruh?
youre such a piece of shit
Being offended doesn't mean you're right
I am so grateful that you talked about IMS and wokeness. The last couple of years I’ve been chased away from my regular attendance of retreats at both Spirit Rock and IMS. What value does a Dharma talk about freeing yourself of preferences have, when the talk itself is an expression of preference for specific identity groups? That kind of corruption spoils the aspects of the experience that require trust.
Hey guys it's Ben stiller!!
Man the great thing about this joke is even decades later it will never get old and it garners automatic likes!
Well dammnit if that's not another podcast I've got to follow..🤣 great content, look forward to seeing more 🙏
This man is going places... huge fan... such a bright young man, keep it up
If Sam Harris and Ayaan Hirsi Ali had a lovechild, Coleman Hughes would be him.
Such a brilliant young mind. Even his speech pattern reminds me of Harris.
I like Coleman Hughes...I like Sam Harris...but this one was a real antidote for insomnia!
This is the realest talk on the internet right here. More of this!
It will never happen...the logistics alone make it impossible
how about the fact that there are no former slaves left alive, and i think it's fair to see that virtually all of their direct children are dead at this point too. So we're going to give people money based on sins committed against 3 generations ago? Fat fucking chance.
Is there going to be a "unit of reparation"? Is someone who is provably 100% african ancestry going to get 100 units? Is someone who is half-white and half-black going to receive 50 units while also having to pay 50 units? How many "drops of blood" do you have to prove to get how many units?
I don't owe anybody anything for crimes committed against their ancestors by other people. This is all just a big alibi for failure.
Maybe they want to consult old Nazi regime. Solution was to track Jewish ancestry up to four generations, so if you had a Jewish grand-parent for one of your parents, that was enough to... you know...
It's perfectly legitimate to point out that folks like Mr. Hughes are better off, not worse off, because his ancestors were brought here as slaves.
The same applies to me... and I'm Russian
Yes of course it is.
Living near white people is a privilege for black people, yet they want their cake and eat it too by whining about it to get special privilege.
I would add that if you accept my premise, then the case for reparations evaporates.
Just saying the obvious truth.
Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooa SNAPS!
Really good podcast Mr. Hughes!
Thanks for bringing this interesting and thought-provoking content online
I’m a trump supporter but I still liked this conversation because Sam answers questions honestly and u can debate him and don’t hv to worry about being called a racist because I support Trump
I'm sorry, but reparations isn't even a worthwhile discussion. When we live in an absolute state of utopia then maybe we can take on historical injustices. Until then we might want to focus our energy on the multitude of disfunctions that are occurring as we speak. The weight of this gigantic national debt or homelessness or addiction, just to name a few.
@Brazul Blint Utopia is obviously impossible, therefore reparations should remain a nonstarter in perpetuity.
@@kenhiett5266 why not just say that to begin with? Do you also think Germany shouldn't have given the Jews reparations?
Democrats want to kick that can down the st.
The country has the wealth to pay some form of reparations; and over the course of American history 20+ groups received them. What mitigates the descendants of the enslaved not receiving theirs for the magnitude of injustice experienced by them?
@@kevinboone2178 If you think reparations would create a positive outcome for the black community I think you're incredibly naive. I think you're failing to identify the real issues concerning the portion of the black community that struggle monetarily. If this discussion was about reparations for slaves or even reparations for first generation descendents of slaves, I think this would be a worthwhile endeavor. Furthermore, the notion we are a wealthy nation is an illusion. We are currently printing cash, (at risk of weakening the dollar) as well as borrowing money at historic levels. Social security is facing a looming crisis and if the dollar ever loses favor and is displaced as the world currency the result would be truly catastrophic. We have such a geographical advantage and yet we have squandered it by terrible mismanagement and corruption within government.
This was recorded only a few weeks after you testified to Congress? The best bits of podcasts are the up-to-the-minute releases. Look forward to some AMAs! Best of luck dude!
It does feel like watching an old video. It is... but.. well... You know.
An inverted morality demands slavery reparations from the descendants of those who fought a war against the slave masters, freed their slaves, granted the freed slaves citizenship, and occupied the South for a century to ensure that the descendants of slaves gained full civil rights in America.
If we're settling accounts, where do I get a check for my ancestors liberating slaves and granting them US citizenship?
Whose descendants are better off today, those of the African slaves who were shipped to North America, or those of the African slaves who remained in Africa?
Today's descendants of African slaves in the US won the lottery of life by being born citizens in the most free, secure, and prosperous country in the world.
Moreover the British Empire and the USA pressured others into giving up slavery. They showed up with warships and told the local ruler that they'd destroy the city if they didn't halt the slave trade.
Coleman speaks in a similar fashion to Harris. It’s very relaxing to hear them have a conversation even if it’s a controversial topic.
Too much agreeableness. Push Harris
Though the topics were punctual. As someone who follows both Coleman and Harris this seemed like a Kumbaya. No new questions were posed. Great work. Can’t wait to watch the next one