Additionally; GE’s have two short air tanks on the engineer’s side mounted in the fuel tank, END has/had two long skinny air tanks - one on each side above the fuel tank. GE wings are quite flat and at the absolute end of the hood, EMD flares are quite vertical and about 6-8’ from the end.
Another good way is also the truck design and also the sounds they make. Most GE models have a sort of chugging noise. EMDs have a more roar type of sound.
My background is nursing but I have always liked trains. I’m ignorant and always wanting to learn more. Thank you for sharing this information! I just told my husband that I got smarter today! 💯
for YEARS people have told me that they cannot tell the difference between locomotives whenever i point them out along with their model names. they say things like “They all look exactly alike to me.” after countless attempts to try and explain the minute differences between the models, Danny FINALLY makes a video where people can have an educational look into the differences between GE and EMD locomotives. well done!!!
Gotta say Danny, I'm new to railfaning and when I found your channel I fell in LOVE. Your edits, your enthusiasm, just you in general helps us newcomers experience railfaning and really makes this hobby ever so more exciting. Thank you for all you do from all of us!
Awesome video as always Danny. The GE's that Pan Am acquired from CSX in 2017 were MEC 7489 YN3 patch (out of service) MEC 7500 YN2 patch (getting scrapped) MEC 7517 YN2 patch MEC 7518 PAR blue MEC 7523 PAR blue MEC 7528 YN2 patch (out of service MEC 7534 PAR blue (out of service) MEC 7535 YN3 patch (out of service) MEC 7541 YN3 patch MEC 7542 PAR blue MEC 7545 YN3B patch MEC 7552 PAR blue MEC 7561 PAR blue MEC 7575 YN2 patch MEC 7585 PAR blue (out of service) MEC 7594 YN2 patch MEC 7595 YN2 patch MEC 7605 YN3 patch MEC 7609 YN2 patch MEC 7620 YN2 patch MEC 7622 YN2 patch MEC 7627 is now CSXT 9280 MEC 7635 PAR blue (out of service) MEC 7643 YN2 patch B40-8's MEC 5930 PAR blue MEC 5933 YN2 patch MEC 5936 PAR blue MEC 5943 PAR blue MEC 5946 PAR blue MEC 5948 YN2 patch MEC 5953 YN3B (scrapped) MEC 5956 YN2 patch MEC 5958 PAR blue MEC 5963 PAR blue MEC 5966 YN3 patch MEC 5967 PAR blue MEC 5968 PAR blue (out of service) MEC 5972 YN3 patch MEC 5973 YN3 patch MEC 5974 PAR blue MEC 5976 YN3 patch C40-8W's MEC 7797 YN3B patch (now retired) MEC 7898 YN2 patch (now retired) MEC 7835 YN3B patch MEC 7875 YN2 patch MEC 7655 YN2 patch MEC 7727 YN3 patch
It's sad that 7500 is being scrapped. It was the first ordered by and built for CSX. But, it had a good long career, and is the oldest of them, except 7489. I hope 7489 returns to service, because it is the last ex-Conrail C40-8 still left on a class I, but due to it apparently blowing the bearings in its engine block, I'm not sure that's going to happen.
@@16thaveproductions If it does get fixed, I think it would be cool if CSX put a genuine Conrail RS3L on it, but I do think if would be better if it kept the RS2A, as I believe it would be the only one in use on a Class I.
He actually does the background voice for a show called “All Girls Garage” on the Motor Trend Network. I recognized it immediately. Such a pleasant voice.
Okay, I didn't get an A+, but I only got confused on the EMDs with the flared radiators. This is great, Danny! THANK YOU SO MUCH! You've just greatly increased my joy of railfanning!
An additional spotting feature is the turbo exhaust outlet, EMD'S are closer to the cab while GE'S are closer to the rear. Always enjoy your content from little old New Zealand!
Thank you for this video. I am not a locomotive know it all either. This explained to me how to tell the differences. Some details to look for in order to know what kind of equipment you are shooting.
I feel like I've known Danny all my life, just from watching his videos! Thank you, Danny, for the great videos you produce and present to us. Pure joy for me.
"If I Like the Video?" I hit the like button at the start of the video everytime, because I get so engrossed in your content Danny, that sometimes I forget to hit the Like button by the end.
The SD40-2 is like the Crown Victoria of locomotives…the best ever built and proved itself decade after decade! Great video DH!! The details of EMDs & GEs are there and it can definitely spot one when you see it!
Several years ago, I frequently hauled locomotive components to and from EMD in Lagrange, Illinois and Progress Rail Muncie, Indiana assembly plants... I would embed a picture of 2 cabs on my trailer going to Muncie if I could... If you ever get a chance to tour the Muncie plant, you would be blown away...
One of the ways I tell them apart is by the engine noise. EMD locomotives have more of a high pitched whine while GE locomotives have more of an alco sounding gurgle
If Danny Harmon made a Train School, I'd definitely attend! You're a one-of-a-kind teacher, and you'd do us good. Love to see more of these, maybe you should cover Freight cars next!
Happy New Year Danny! Another way to tell GE locomotives apart from EMD is the distinctive thumping exhaust. EMD's come past with almost a sewing machine sound and idle like a big old Buick. Ge's can be heard way off thump, thump, thumping and usually mask the EMDs in the consist. GE's kinda sorta sound like Alcos. but not quite.
Great video, I know the difference between EMD and GE, as far as what models they are, especially with rebuilds, I have to look them up! Thanks for keeping me inspired with train videos!
This locomotive level of detail is usually all an enthusiast needs to enjoy the hobby as a casual observer. Knowing the CSX lightning bolt decal is also helpful to appreciate power difference to the traction motors. Beyond these identifiers, you would need a technical manual which, for me, takes the fun out of watching these monsters roll. My home railfan location is Folkston, GA. When the crossing lights and bells turn on, I am thrilled to see anything going by! Thank you, Danny and best wishes for the New Year 🎉
I thought I had a good handle on American railway power. Then I began working for Florida east coast railway locomotive shop and it really opened my eyes a lot.
Danny, Another great video. May I say, you are no amateur, You are a real pro and the most trusted outlet for stories and events. Im planning Waycross in April and would love to meet you.
I tend to identify the locomotives by the prime mover's engine note. EMD's tend to be higher pitched while GE's tend to be lower pitched with a bit of a bass rumble.
Same here. I live next to the CSX Henderson Sub. I can always tell when the Atkinson/Henderson turn goes by. It always an EMD or two and generally full throttle headed north. Most everything that goes by anymore is GE/Wabtec. Occasionally you’ll get an SD70.
Nice job summarizing the differences. Sometime consider including fuel tank comparison as a way to separate the builders. Thanks for your years of dedication to our beloved hobby.
Here’s a tip for if you ever encounter an alco unit: it has a smooth rounded roof above the cab. Alcos don’t typically have flared radiators but sometimes they might.
Thank you Danny for taking us to locomotive ID class Always have our full attention These locomotives keep America moving Thanks to the engineers and maintenance keep them running well and smooth
I will make a studie of all locomotives types before i and my girlfriend visit the U.S.A. They so many types. Happy New Year. Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands 🇾🇪🇺🇸
Hi Danny! Just stumbled across this Chanel and love it! I’ve subbed liked & commented (That’s this one!) Much encouragement to your channel from Australia!
Thank you Danny. I only started looking at trains after retirement 10 years ago. I was a newspaper cartoonist in Utah working with Blair Koostra, photographer. Blair is in Texas and I am still in Utah. UP goes past my house near Ogden. I tell GE from EMD by the cab shapes and radiators. Salute to you.
Thank you for this, I never had a clue how to tell any Diesel locomotive apart from any other. I least now I know how to tell apart the two brands. Very cool.
Low down, from the roadside, it is possible to ID, most of the time, the difference between GE and EMD units by their trucks and fuel tanks. They are distinctive, especially the historical Blomberg B-B's on the 4-axle EMD road switchers (and restored F-units). And the C-C trucks are also unique to each brand. A more distinguishing feature are the fuel tanks and compressed air cylinders. The EMD's tanks are rounded with the air cylinders being a single unit above the tanks. The GE's are vertical and then angled towards the roadbed. The GE's also have their air cylinders tanks mounted in pairs above the fuel tanks.
Finally a down to earth video with great information and easy to understand!! Thanks for not being some hyperactive teenager thinking they are soooo very smart that the run all their sentences together to trying to impress!!.
I'm sure others have covered it in the comments. Not all EMD wide cabs have tear drop windows either. That's a railroad specific feature. The SD60M, SD60I, SD70M, SD70MAC, SD80MAC and SD90MAC, SD90/43AC, etc all have unique features of their own as well for the cabs, radiators, and windows, then toss in the SD70ACu's, ACC's, ACis, and M-2's. It's gets weird. Haha. The tear drop window feature can also be spotted on former BCRail and CN GE locomotives. C40-8M's and D9-44CW's. Excellent video as always!
A useful and educational video there chief, thank you for that. Even for someone like me, who has a DEEP loathing of anything with an EMD engine in it, this was an interesting watch.
Thanks for this video it's cleared up the confusion I had over these locos. In the UK, it's far easier. All the locos have the class number on the side followed by the loco number.. Eg 20 156, 37 419, 66 135. Makes life so much easier.
Dan you do a good job with your vids. I learned something with your explanation of the difference between the two major engines used today. The radiators are a big give away and easy to spot. Thanks for the info and the video. 👍
Happy Holidays to everyone. Especially to you Danny. I think you should win an award for being the #1 railfan in the country. You got my vote. See ya next year on the Tube.
WOW! I can’t imagine how much time this took you to put together, but THANK YOU! I am a rail fan, or more specifically a Distant Signal fan, so I needed this really basic/intro! Also a great opportunity to see how beautiful and consistent your footage and drone work is!
Your videos are always so interesting. I'm from the UK and I started watching you a few years ago. I'm very glad I did because your videos are part of why I got back into the hobby!
I've probably said it most recently... The SD40-2 is 50 years old this year... granted many are rebuilt (as '40-3's) and SD30ECO's, of which look like modified SD45's of the mid/late 1960's. SD45's had the flared tail hood sections... The SD30ECO's seem to mimic that... the exception being that squared cab and notched nose lights. Love your videos. John BC, Canada (where in the past week was -30C and now +10C above freezing.) nee Bellingham WA, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. (and five years in Tulsa OK.)
Excellent video, once you start studying different types of locomotives by looking online at photos it's usaually pretty easy to identify them once you see them out on the rails if you pay close enough attention. Thanks for posting this, definitely will help some amateurs out who are confused.
For me, if your sitting at a siding it’s the fuel and compressor tank difference. I worked at the London EMD shop for 25yrs. until Cat bought the whole works.
The way I've always identified GE from EMD is the fuel tanks. So far it seems that almost all GE's have at least one flat angle on the fuel tank (sometimes all flat angles, no rounding), whereas EMD fuel tanks are always rounded. I can usually tell by the trucks too. But THANK YOU for this video, it has made telling them apart much easier.
Hey Danny, great video, well explained. Just one note. One of the greatest locomotive rivet counters I ever met was the late Don Dover, who explained there is no such thing as a wide-cab, all cabs are the same width, there are however wide-nose locomotives. A lot of railfans still make that mistake today.
A BIG thumbs up Danny. I had kind of gotten away from railfanning for several years and had frankly lost track of all but the basics of "train spotting." For about the last year or so I've been playing catchup with the aid of UA-cam productions like yours, Jaw Tooth and Wide World of Trains. One thing I had no clue about is something most might think is "Duh" simple ... the "Lightning Bolt" symbol on various CSX locomotives. AC units, I should have realized. I was also taken aback by the preponderance of GE units versus EMD, I had still thought EMD would have the lion's share of new unit construction. I'm still trying to learn how to tell the various GE units apart. Thank you again sir for your explanation.
Another way to tell immediately one from the other, on the NS system: The GM EMD locomotives are pretty, streamlined and everything is tucked in tight. GE's are big fat and ugly. They're wide everywhere. Theyre much harder to work on, too. They do have more tractive effort than EMD's, because every part on them is quite heavy! Their Traction Motors all have bolt-together connections, for the main bunch and EMD's have "Glad-Hand" hammer together connectors. GE's were built up-side-down, so it was easy to hook up at the factory, but, without special tooling, they're a pain to hook-up, right side up. EMD'S have wider walkways, solid handrails and more comfortable cabs. The electrical switch-gear isn't as intimidating on an EMD as it is in a GE. You hear Letters before the model number...That's telling you its tractive effort and that a: "GP" is General Purpose. It has two Traction Motors per truck. Four Traction Motors per unit, total. The "SD" has three Traction Motors per truck, six Traction Motors per unit, total. If it doesn't have a DASH and a number after the model number, it has a standard, all relay, timer and resistor type electrical cabinet. If it has a DASH 2, past the model number, that means it has a more modern MODULAR electrical motor control cabinet. It has printed circuit panels with pin type quick disconnect connectors along the back end where you can kill the power with a few circuit breakers and change out a whole bunch of items at once with the pull of a vertical drawer handle. If it has a DASH 3 past the model number, it shows that its ELECTRICAL MOTOR CONTROL cabinet has been upgraded to the highest, so far...COMPUTER CONTROL. It still has panels that can be pulled out like a vertical drawer, but is quite a lot deeper into high tech! Consider a standard SD40. Add a -2 to it, SD40-2 = 3200 on up with the Conrail renumbered and dove-tailed in and they're 3300 and so on. I'm a little rusty. I've been retired over a decade. Here's another interesting trivia item for you. If the Locomotive is set up for RADIO TRAIN work, its Locomotive Number-Glasses will be a WHITE field with BLACK letters. If it's NOT set-up to be a Radio Train unit, the number-glasses will be a BLACK FIELD with White Numbers. It also has several horse-shoe antennas and several can antennas up on top in the SHE Short Hood End as the radios are usually in the nose. Some are under the floor.. Then you have your VOICE "CLEAN CAB radio, where most of them are mounted inside the ENGINEER's Control Stand, just above the Train Brake handle. Some control stands weren't built tall, so we had an independent contractor prefab metal boxes to fit the control stand and voice radios are mounted inside them and a HOTD HEAD OF TRAIN DEVICE controller is mounted on top of that radio box. This way, everything is in easy reach for the Engineer. Just to the right of the train brake is a ball lever handle that is the horn switch. It is spring loaded so you can swat it and it will return to center, off. Push down or lift up, its on or blowing the horn. There is another switch that looks just like that horn control switch, but it's mounted horizontal. You push it toward the SHE it sands Short Hood Lead. You push it toward the LHE, Long Hood End, it sands Long Hood Lead. Then, just below that is a whisker spring sticking out, about the size of a pencil. The engineer has to DO SOMETHING every 30 seconds or the DEAD MAN ALARM will start beeping. It's designed to keep the Engineer alert. He knows that if he lets it time out, and it beeps steadily louder as it's timing out, when it is trilling almost a solid cord, the PC trips and applies the train brakes. It takes A WHILE to recover from kicking the PC, plus it goes down as a fault message on the THR Train History Recorder. The THR records mile markers, Throttle Positions, the direction traveling (forward or reverse), the Speed, in Dynamic Breaking, different air pressures, every toot of the horn, and some have a microphone that hears what's going on. There was some static about that, like eavesdropping, so they may have taken those out by now., but they DO have Rail Cam. A forward facing video camera that records EXACTLY what happens in a train wreck. I believe that's enough goodies for you. I appreciate all your work! I like your bass voice and that you care as much about railroading as I do..
good video Danny. One small correction and a comment. The train with the 2 UP SD70Ms was probably Q605 , as it was heading west (RR South, depending on the year) from the west end of the siding at Douglas City, MP SP 826.4, not too far from my home. Two spotting features I always looked for were the radiators (and/or fans) and the fuel tanks (squared on GEs and rounded on EMDs). Keep up the good work and Happy New Year.
BAD MAN DAN... As always, very knowledgeable information. Still think CSX should be offering you a Cab Ride. You do more for them than their own PR section. Happy New Year's Danny.
I use the dynamic brake bump out on the EMDs. But to me the whole locomotive looks different. Kinda like the difference between a Ford and a Chevy. As a retired engineer I always preferred to run EMDs. .
Definitely the sound between EMD and GE is a good way to tell them apart too. The sound of EMD is personally my favourite. I was always glad to get an EMD for my lead unit 😀
Definitely. I love how bassy EMD's are. It's their signature, and is a good way to determine that you have an EMD leading your train. However, the modern GE designs Like the ES44AH are also very bassy, so it could confuse someone who isn't very good with locomotives. A good way to differentiate between them is to listen to the sound of their horns. The horns of an ES44AC and an SD70ACe sound very different usually. Another good way to identify an EMD is the sound of their two stroke engines. They sound much different than GE's four stroke system.
Not sure if this is a characteristic of GE units, but I’ve been told they apparently make a “whoosh” sound if you’re standing near one running past you at high speeds, not sure if EMD locomotives do that too or it’s just GEs.
@@TrainsAreReallyCool Yeah, I think. From what I’ve been told that whooshing sound could also come from the locomotive’s air dryer kicking in and forcing accumulated condensation out of the air brake system to keep it dry and functional, or that could be the air compressor unloader valve kicking in.
Real fan Danny I want your biggest Fan Cannot wait to meet you And that cannot happen quick enough as soon as I get money I'm coming to Florida To see you You keep up the good work I enjoy everything on your videos Please keep up the good work I look forward to seeing your new videos Soon
Thanks Danny, this is the kind of video I really like. It harkens back to your 6 part series on CSX signals. I still watch that series from time to time when I start to get fuzzy on advance approach 😊
Hello. Glad to see you. Thanks for the info on the engines. Hope you and your family are having a great holiday season. Be blessed out there on the high iron.
I used to watch the engines and say wow that cool looking engine. Because of this video, I now have to look at each engine and determine the manufacturer for all trains going by or in a video. My wife is not impressed with this new skill. :) Thanks for the video and enjoy the nice weather -40 with windchill last week in Ohio.
Loved the video, Danny! I've been using those three websites you've mentioned as resources for locomotive spotting and history tracking since I was about 12 years old. Still doing it at 27!
An easy way to tell if its EMD or GE is to look at the fuel tanks if it more rounded its EMD if its trapizoid looking lengthwise its GE
Additionally; GE’s have two short air tanks on the engineer’s side mounted in the fuel tank, END has/had two long skinny air tanks - one on each side above the fuel tank. GE wings are quite flat and at the absolute end of the hood, EMD flares are quite vertical and about 6-8’ from the end.
Rail geek alert rail geek alert. You can also tell. GE uses round wheels. AMD more oval ..
The radiators are a better difference maker these days
Another good way is also the truck design and also the sounds they make. Most GE models have a sort of chugging noise. EMDs have a more roar type of sound.
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My background is nursing but I have always liked trains. I’m ignorant and always wanting to learn more. Thank you for sharing this information! I just told my husband that I got smarter today! 💯
for YEARS people have told me that they cannot tell the difference between locomotives whenever i point them out along with their model names. they say things like “They all look exactly alike to me.” after countless attempts to try and explain the minute differences between the models, Danny FINALLY makes a video where people can have an educational look into the differences between GE and EMD locomotives. well done!!!
Gotta say Danny, I'm new to railfaning and when I found your channel I fell in LOVE. Your edits, your enthusiasm, just you in general helps us newcomers experience railfaning and really makes this hobby ever so more exciting. Thank you for all you do from all of us!
💯 % Agree
Awesome video as always Danny. The GE's that Pan Am acquired from CSX in 2017 were
MEC 7489 YN3 patch (out of service)
MEC 7500 YN2 patch (getting scrapped)
MEC 7517 YN2 patch
MEC 7518 PAR blue
MEC 7523 PAR blue
MEC 7528 YN2 patch (out of service
MEC 7534 PAR blue (out of service)
MEC 7535 YN3 patch (out of service)
MEC 7541 YN3 patch
MEC 7542 PAR blue
MEC 7545 YN3B patch
MEC 7552 PAR blue
MEC 7561 PAR blue
MEC 7575 YN2 patch
MEC 7585 PAR blue (out of service)
MEC 7594 YN2 patch
MEC 7595 YN2 patch
MEC 7605 YN3 patch
MEC 7609 YN2 patch
MEC 7620 YN2 patch
MEC 7622 YN2 patch
MEC 7627 is now CSXT 9280
MEC 7635 PAR blue (out of service)
MEC 7643 YN2 patch
B40-8's
MEC 5930 PAR blue
MEC 5933 YN2 patch
MEC 5936 PAR blue
MEC 5943 PAR blue
MEC 5946 PAR blue
MEC 5948 YN2 patch
MEC 5953 YN3B (scrapped)
MEC 5956 YN2 patch
MEC 5958 PAR blue
MEC 5963 PAR blue
MEC 5966 YN3 patch
MEC 5967 PAR blue
MEC 5968 PAR blue (out of service)
MEC 5972 YN3 patch
MEC 5973 YN3 patch
MEC 5974 PAR blue
MEC 5976 YN3 patch
C40-8W's
MEC 7797 YN3B patch (now retired)
MEC 7898 YN2 patch (now retired)
MEC 7835 YN3B patch
MEC 7875 YN2 patch
MEC 7655 YN2 patch
MEC 7727 YN3 patch
It's sad that 7500 is being scrapped. It was the first ordered by and built for CSX. But, it had a good long career, and is the oldest of them, except 7489. I hope 7489 returns to service, because it is the last ex-Conrail C40-8 still left on a class I, but due to it apparently blowing the bearings in its engine block, I'm not sure that's going to happen.
I hope it'll get fixed again that was my favorite C40 out of all of them. I loved it's Leslie 2 chime horn that it got from MEC 377 a few years ago.
@@16thaveproductions If it does get fixed, I think it would be cool if CSX put a genuine Conrail RS3L on it, but I do think if would be better if it kept the RS2A, as I believe it would be the only one in use on a Class I.
Couldn’t click fast enough when that notification for a new DS video popped up. Danny is the best.
Does anyone else want a train tv show with this awesome man as the host. He just has the perfect educational TV show host voice.
Literally any show -it doesn't have to be train-related. He's got elite voiceover skills
He actually does the background voice for a show called “All Girls Garage” on the Motor Trend Network. I recognized it immediately. Such a pleasant voice.
Nothing makes my day like getting a notification that a Distant Signal video was uploaded. Love your work!
Okay, I didn't get an A+, but I only got confused on the EMDs with the flared radiators. This is great, Danny! THANK YOU SO MUCH! You've just greatly increased my joy of railfanning!
I feel like I went to school today. Great teacher and expert. Happy 2023. Keep 'em coming!
An additional spotting feature is the turbo exhaust outlet, EMD'S are closer to the cab while GE'S are closer to the rear. Always enjoy your content from little old New Zealand!
Thank you for this video. I am not a locomotive know it all either. This explained to me how to tell the differences. Some details to look for in order to know what kind of equipment you are shooting.
As a novice to rail fanning I really appreciated this video I had no idea how to tell the locomotives apart your videos are the best 🙂
Spongebob Squarecabs! 😂 Never heard that one before but you'd better believe I'm gonna start using it!
I feel like I've known Danny all my life, just from watching his videos! Thank you, Danny, for the great videos you produce and present to us. Pure joy for me.
"If I Like the Video?" I hit the like button at the start of the video everytime, because I get so engrossed in your content Danny, that sometimes I forget to hit the Like button by the end.
Many thanks, Martin!
@@distantsignal - actually Andrew (Martin's my last name!). Still love your content Danny!
Thank you sir, what a great way to enjoy my morning coffee.
Good morning and thanks! Sounds like you hit the day about like me.... waaaayyy before daylight.
Great video! Another very distinctive sign that’s noticeable for the GE is now many engine sections are burnt like toast!
Toasters. I was told if they’ve been idling for extended amounts of time, they tend to burn off unburned fuel when throttled up.
10:11 I was on the other side of the tracks by the three cabins for that train!
Thanks for your explanation. I always was in trouble to find the difference. Greatings from Germany
You did a better job of explaining that to my son than I did! That and he never listens to me anyway!
You can tell it's a GE because some railfan will be complaining if it's leading.
Haha! Boy, you got THAT right.
The SD40-2 is like the Crown Victoria of locomotives…the best ever built and proved itself decade after decade! Great video DH!!
The details of EMDs & GEs are there and it can definitely spot one when you see it!
Yep, they may be over 40 years old now, but they absolutely refuse to die, they just take a beating and keep on running.
@@noahater5785 EMD definitely had that locomotive in the bag as the SUPREME locomotive above all.
Several years ago, I frequently hauled locomotive components to and from EMD in Lagrange, Illinois and Progress Rail Muncie, Indiana assembly plants... I would embed a picture of 2 cabs on my trailer going to Muncie if I could... If you ever get a chance to tour the Muncie plant, you would be blown away...
One of the ways I tell them apart is by the engine noise. EMD locomotives have more of a high pitched whine while GE locomotives have more of an alco sounding gurgle
The higher pitched sound is made from the planetary gear set of the turbo on the EMD, I believe.
Doesn't help much if you have a consist with both manufacturers in it, though.
If Danny Harmon made a Train School, I'd definitely attend! You're a one-of-a-kind teacher, and you'd do us good. Love to see more of these, maybe you should cover Freight cars next!
Thanks very much! And way ahead of you on the freight car idea. I discussed with a friend in the industry two nights ago. Should be fun.
Nice meeting you
Danny you are no amateur I've been with you a couple years now it's good to see your numbers climbing 😉
Happy New Year Danny! Another way to tell GE locomotives apart from EMD is the distinctive thumping exhaust. EMD's come past with almost a sewing machine sound and idle like a big old Buick. Ge's can be heard way off thump, thump, thumping and usually mask the EMDs in the consist. GE's kinda sorta sound like Alcos. but not quite.
The GEs have a sewing machine sound when they idle. The older EMDs have a rumble when pulling.
You are easily the most informative railfan UA-camr. I learn something from every one of your videos. Many thanks!
That's a nice compliment. I try to put as much info as I can find into each video.
Great video, I know the difference between EMD and GE, as far as what models they are, especially with rebuilds, I have to look them up! Thanks for keeping me inspired with train videos!
This locomotive level of detail is usually all an enthusiast needs to enjoy the hobby as a casual observer. Knowing the CSX lightning bolt decal is also helpful to appreciate power difference to the traction motors. Beyond these identifiers, you would need a technical manual which, for me, takes the fun out of watching these monsters roll. My home railfan location is Folkston, GA. When the crossing lights and bells turn on, I am thrilled to see anything going by! Thank you, Danny and best wishes for the New Year 🎉
Thanks Dick! You will probably recognize several of the locations in the second half of this video.
What a great teacher, simple explanations that we can all understand! I definitely learned something today!
I thought I had a good handle on American railway power. Then I began working for Florida east coast railway locomotive shop and it really opened my eyes a lot.
Great video. After 27 years at NS. I've operated both and much prefer emd over ge any day!!
Danny always provides a quality presentation.
Danny, Another great video. May I say, you are no amateur, You are a real pro and the most trusted outlet for stories and events. Im planning Waycross in April and would love to meet you.
I tend to identify the locomotives by the prime mover's engine note. EMD's tend to be higher pitched while GE's tend to be lower pitched with a bit of a bass rumble.
Same here. I live next to the CSX Henderson Sub. I can always tell when the Atkinson/Henderson turn goes by. It always an EMD or two and generally full throttle headed north. Most everything that goes by anymore is GE/Wabtec. Occasionally you’ll get an SD70.
@@bluegrassman3040 I live near UP and BNSF subdivisions in Washington State west of the Cascades, I get a mix between both EMD and GE.
Nice job summarizing the differences. Sometime consider including fuel tank comparison as a way to separate the builders. Thanks for your years of dedication to our beloved hobby.
Thank you Danny Harmon, for all of your good videos. You do a good job of explaining things about trains & related train things.
Here’s a tip for if you ever encounter an alco unit: it has a smooth rounded roof above the cab. Alcos don’t typically have flared radiators but sometimes they might.
Also EMDs have a distinct humming sound when idling
Thanks for the video. Finally a rail channel that describes the locomotives.
As a long time rail fan who has never been able to tell the difference, this was super helpful!
Thank you Danny for taking us to locomotive ID class
Always have our full attention
These locomotives keep America moving
Thanks to the engineers and maintenance keep them running well and smooth
I will make a studie of all locomotives types before i and my girlfriend visit the U.S.A.
They so many types. Happy New Year.
Greet from Zandvoort the Netherlands 🇾🇪🇺🇸
Hi Danny. As usual, another excellently produced, very educational video. Your videos are a joy to watch. Thank you and best wishes for 2023.
Hi Danny! Just stumbled across this Chanel and love it! I’ve subbed liked & commented (That’s this one!) Much encouragement to your channel from Australia!
Thank you Danny. I only started looking at trains after retirement 10 years ago. I was a newspaper cartoonist in Utah working with Blair Koostra, photographer. Blair is in Texas and I am still in Utah. UP goes past my house near Ogden. I tell GE from EMD by the cab shapes and radiators. Salute to you.
You have absolutely the best train videos on youtube. Keep em coming Danny! :
Thank you for this, I never had a clue how to tell any Diesel locomotive apart from any other. I least now I know how to tell apart the two brands. Very cool.
Low down, from the roadside, it is possible to ID, most of the time, the difference between GE and EMD units by their trucks and fuel tanks. They are distinctive, especially the historical Blomberg B-B's on the 4-axle EMD road switchers (and restored F-units). And the C-C trucks are also unique to each brand.
A more distinguishing feature are the fuel tanks and compressed air cylinders. The EMD's tanks are rounded with the air cylinders being a single unit above the tanks. The GE's are vertical and then angled towards the roadbed. The GE's also have their air cylinders tanks mounted in pairs above the fuel tanks.
A couple of the GE dash 9s in this video had the same trucks as the sd40s. And then csx had some special trucks on some of their dash 9s
Finally a down to earth video with great information and easy to understand!! Thanks for not being some hyperactive teenager thinking they are soooo very smart that the run all their sentences together to trying to impress!!.
I'm sure others have covered it in the comments.
Not all EMD wide cabs have tear drop windows either. That's a railroad specific feature.
The SD60M, SD60I, SD70M, SD70MAC, SD80MAC and SD90MAC, SD90/43AC, etc all have unique features of their own as well for the cabs, radiators, and windows, then toss in the SD70ACu's, ACC's, ACis, and M-2's. It's gets weird. Haha.
The tear drop window feature can also be spotted on former BCRail and CN GE locomotives. C40-8M's and D9-44CW's.
Excellent video as always!
Thank you for this quick guide to determine whether an engine was built by GE or EMD, Danny! The video was very enlightening.
If it screams, its EMD
If it chugs, it's GE
Danny, you have answered a question I have had since I began watching you posts. Thank you.
A useful and educational video there chief, thank you for that.
Even for someone like me, who has a DEEP loathing of anything with an EMD engine in it, this was an interesting watch.
This is just an awesome way to quickly tell the difference. Thanks for posting. I feel smarter already!
Best video I’ve seen on topic. Thank you.
DH, your railfan content is excellent, I’m always excited when I see a new post from you! Thanks for all the effort you put into the videos!
Thanks for this video it's cleared up the confusion I had over these locos.
In the UK, it's far easier. All the locos have the class number on the side followed by the loco number.. Eg 20 156, 37 419, 66 135. Makes life so much easier.
Thanks Danny!! Another give away is the trucks. GE's are flat on the bottom a very distinctive feature.
Dan you do a good job with your vids. I learned something with your explanation of the difference between the two major engines used today. The radiators are a big give away and easy to spot. Thanks for the info and the video. 👍
Happy Holidays to everyone. Especially to you Danny. I think you should win an award for being the #1 railfan in the country. You got my vote. See ya next year on the Tube.
WOW! I can’t imagine how much time this took you to put together, but THANK YOU! I am a rail fan, or more specifically a Distant Signal fan, so I needed this really basic/intro! Also a great opportunity to see how beautiful and consistent your footage and drone work is!
Thank you David! Those are kind compliments indeed! Much appreciated and glad you found the channel.
Your videos are always so interesting. I'm from the UK and I started watching you a few years ago. I'm very glad I did because your videos are part of why I got back into the hobby!
I've probably said it most recently... The SD40-2 is 50 years old this year... granted many are rebuilt (as '40-3's) and SD30ECO's, of which look like modified SD45's of the mid/late 1960's. SD45's had the flared tail hood sections... The SD30ECO's seem to mimic that... the exception being that squared cab and notched nose lights.
Love your videos. John BC, Canada (where in the past week was -30C and now +10C above freezing.) nee Bellingham WA, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. (and five years in Tulsa OK.)
Danny this was an excellent video on locomotives. Very well done. ❤️👍
Another way to tell is fuel tanks. EMD tanks are rounded, and GE tanks are angular.
Excellent video, once you start studying different types of locomotives by looking online at photos it's usaually pretty easy to identify them once you see them out on the rails if you pay close enough attention. Thanks for posting this, definitely will help some amateurs out who are confused.
For me, if your sitting at a siding it’s the fuel and compressor tank difference. I worked at the London EMD shop for 25yrs. until Cat bought the whole works.
As a railroader, I never thought to notice the radiator as a indicator for the different models… nice breakdown.
Glad to see your videos again, very informative.
The way I've always identified GE from EMD is the fuel tanks. So far it seems that almost all GE's have at least one flat angle on the fuel tank (sometimes all flat angles, no rounding), whereas EMD fuel tanks are always rounded. I can usually tell by the trucks too. But THANK YOU for this video, it has made telling them apart much easier.
Hey Danny, great video, well explained. Just one note. One of the greatest locomotive rivet counters I ever met was the late Don Dover, who explained there is no such thing as a wide-cab, all cabs are the same width, there are however wide-nose locomotives. A lot of railfans still make that mistake today.
Oh yes. I still have that argument today. Wide Cab vs Wide Nose. Both convey it properly.
A BIG thumbs up Danny. I had kind of gotten away from railfanning for several years and had frankly lost track of all but the basics of "train spotting." For about the last year or so I've been playing catchup with the aid of UA-cam productions like yours, Jaw Tooth and Wide World of Trains.
One thing I had no clue about is something most might think is "Duh" simple ... the "Lightning Bolt" symbol on various CSX locomotives. AC units, I should have realized.
I was also taken aback by the preponderance of GE units versus EMD, I had still thought EMD would have the lion's share of new unit construction. I'm still trying to learn how to tell the various GE units apart.
Thank you again sir for your explanation.
Another way to tell immediately one from the other, on the NS system: The GM EMD locomotives are pretty, streamlined and everything is tucked in tight. GE's are big fat and ugly. They're wide everywhere. Theyre much harder to work on, too. They do have more tractive effort than EMD's, because every part on them is quite heavy! Their Traction Motors all have bolt-together connections, for the main bunch and EMD's have "Glad-Hand" hammer together connectors. GE's were built up-side-down, so it was easy to hook up at the factory, but, without special tooling, they're a pain to hook-up, right side up.
EMD'S have wider walkways, solid handrails and more comfortable cabs. The electrical switch-gear isn't as intimidating on an EMD as it is in a GE.
You hear Letters before the model number...That's telling you its tractive effort and that a:
"GP" is General Purpose. It has two Traction Motors per truck. Four Traction Motors per unit, total.
The "SD" has three Traction Motors per truck, six Traction Motors per unit, total.
If it doesn't have a DASH and a number after the model number, it has a standard, all relay, timer and resistor type electrical cabinet.
If it has a DASH 2, past the model number, that means it has a more modern MODULAR electrical motor control cabinet. It has printed circuit panels with pin type quick disconnect connectors along the back end where you can kill the power with a few circuit breakers and change out a whole bunch of items at once with the pull of a vertical drawer handle.
If it has a DASH 3 past the model number, it shows that its ELECTRICAL MOTOR CONTROL cabinet has been upgraded to the highest, so far...COMPUTER CONTROL. It still has panels that can be pulled out like a vertical drawer, but is quite a lot deeper into high tech!
Consider a standard SD40. Add a -2 to it, SD40-2 = 3200 on up with the Conrail renumbered and dove-tailed in and they're 3300 and so on. I'm a little rusty. I've been retired over a decade.
Here's another interesting trivia item for you. If the Locomotive is set up for RADIO TRAIN work, its Locomotive Number-Glasses will be a WHITE field with BLACK letters. If it's NOT set-up to be a Radio Train unit, the number-glasses will be a BLACK FIELD with White Numbers. It also has several horse-shoe antennas and several can antennas up on top in the SHE Short Hood End as the radios are usually in the nose. Some are under the floor..
Then you have your VOICE "CLEAN CAB radio, where most of them are mounted inside the ENGINEER's Control Stand, just above the Train Brake handle. Some control stands weren't built tall, so we had an independent contractor prefab metal boxes to fit the control stand and voice radios are mounted inside them and a HOTD HEAD OF TRAIN DEVICE controller is mounted on top of that radio box. This way, everything is in easy reach for the Engineer. Just to the right of the train brake is a ball lever handle that is the horn switch. It is spring loaded so you can swat it and it will return to center, off. Push down or lift up, its on or blowing the horn. There is another switch that looks just like that horn control switch, but it's mounted horizontal. You push it toward the SHE it sands Short Hood Lead. You push it toward the LHE, Long Hood End, it sands Long Hood Lead. Then, just below that is a whisker spring sticking out, about the size of a pencil. The engineer has to DO SOMETHING every 30 seconds or the DEAD MAN ALARM will start beeping. It's designed to keep the Engineer alert. He knows that if he lets it time out, and it beeps steadily louder as it's timing out, when it is trilling almost a solid cord, the PC trips and applies the train brakes. It takes A WHILE to recover from kicking the PC, plus it goes down as a fault message on the THR Train History Recorder. The THR records mile markers, Throttle Positions, the direction traveling (forward or reverse), the Speed, in Dynamic Breaking, different air pressures, every toot of the horn, and some have a microphone that hears what's going on. There was some static about that, like eavesdropping, so they may have taken those out by now., but they DO have Rail Cam. A forward facing video camera that records EXACTLY what happens in a train wreck.
I believe that's enough goodies for you. I appreciate all your work! I like your bass voice and that you care as much about railroading as I do..
thanks for this! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. good to see you again.
good video Danny. One small correction and a comment. The train with the 2 UP SD70Ms was probably Q605 , as it was heading west (RR South, depending on the year) from the west end of the siding at Douglas City, MP SP 826.4, not too far from my home. Two spotting features I always looked for were the radiators (and/or fans) and the fuel tanks (squared on GEs and rounded on EMDs). Keep up the good work and Happy New Year.
Thanks Uncle Joe!! I never noticed that about the fuel tanks. Lots of folks have made that same comment, though. Hope all is well with you.
Thank you for this video, Danny. I could never tell one locomotive manufacturer from another until now.
Thanks, Danny. You're the best. A great educational video.
I like videos with simplified answers and basics!
Great stuff! This is probably the edge of what I'll be able to retain about train information.
BAD MAN DAN... As always, very knowledgeable information. Still think CSX should be offering you a Cab Ride. You do more for them than their own PR section. Happy New Year's Danny.
Now I know the difference between the two trains now. Thanks again Danny.
I use the dynamic brake bump out on the EMDs. But to me the whole locomotive looks different. Kinda like the difference between a Ford and a Chevy. As a retired engineer I always preferred to run EMDs.
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Definitely the sound between EMD and GE is a good way to tell them apart too. The sound of EMD is personally my favourite. I was always glad to get an EMD for my lead unit 😀
Definitely. I love how bassy EMD's are. It's their signature, and is a good way to determine that you have an EMD leading your train. However, the modern GE designs Like the ES44AH are also very bassy, so it could confuse someone who isn't very good with locomotives. A good way to differentiate between them is to listen to the sound of their horns. The horns of an ES44AC and an SD70ACe sound very different usually. Another good way to identify an EMD is the sound of their two stroke engines. They sound much different than GE's four stroke system.
Not sure if this is a characteristic of GE units, but I’ve been told they apparently make a “whoosh” sound if you’re standing near one running past you at high speeds, not sure if EMD locomotives do that too or it’s just GEs.
I'm not sure I've heard that. Unless you mean the very loud whining that GE traction motors make.
@@TrainsAreReallyCool Yeah, I think. From what I’ve been told that whooshing sound could also come from the locomotive’s air dryer kicking in and forcing accumulated condensation out of the air brake system to keep it dry and functional, or that could be the air compressor unloader valve kicking in.
Another EMD spotting difference is EMD with it's visible rooftop fans for radiator and dynamic brake, a feature the GEs lack.
Danny calling yourself an amateur in this field is an insult to us amateurs. Always enjoy the videos.
Real fan Danny I want your biggest Fan Cannot wait to meet you And that cannot happen quick enough as soon as I get money I'm coming to Florida To see you You keep up the good work I enjoy everything on your videos Please keep up the good work I look forward to seeing your new videos Soon
Clear, concise, consistent. Delivered as advertised in the title. Great vid. 10/10😊
Your videos are always informative.
Thanks Danny, this is the kind of video I really like. It harkens back to your 6 part series on CSX signals. I still watch that series from time to time when I start to get fuzzy on advance approach 😊
Location of exhaust is easiest for older motors. Up front a 2 cycle EMD, at toward the rear a 4 cycle GE
Hello. Glad to see you. Thanks for the info on the engines. Hope you and your family are having a great holiday season. Be blessed out there on the high iron.
Another very informative video. Happy New Year Danny!
As always, another great video! Love your work.
Great video and explanation Sir
I used to watch the engines and say wow that cool looking engine. Because of this video, I now have to look at each engine and determine the manufacturer for all trains going by or in a video. My wife is not impressed with this new skill. :) Thanks for the video and enjoy the nice weather -40 with windchill last week in Ohio.
If it can actually pull a train, then it's a GE, if it is isolated and smells like an outhouse, then it's an EMD.
Lol!!! So true! Especially UP engines! They stink of something terrible.
Start shopping these toilets. If you smell it you don’t take it!
Loved the video, Danny! I've been using those three websites you've mentioned as resources for locomotive spotting and history tracking since I was about 12 years old. Still doing it at 27!