"We understand that playing Codex: Space Marines in 10th edition has been a bit underwhelming for our players. We have given a lot of thought to how to fix this and believe the following should go a long way to making non-divergent marines competitive without being overpowered: All Codex: Space Marines with bolt weapons now add 1" to their range. You're welcome." - GW
Wait they made it once per game? That sucks massively! I was wanting to get into tyrannids and unending swarm SPECICALLY, I just love the idea of non stop units battering at the enemy, dying but in turn slowly chipping them away.
@blazichaos7181 They nerfed the detachment rule, because in a FAQ they said a unit can only surge move once per round. Then they said that a stratagem that can bring back units can be used only once per game. I think both FAQs were not targeting unending swarm but other detachments in other factions. Unending swarm before those changes was the worst detachment for tyranids already, now it's even worse :( Sad because it was my favorite detachment, because for me it was closest to the lore and I loved the idea of swarming the board.
I'd like to see Inner Circle Task Force lose the 'infantry' qualifier in it's detachment rule. Made zero sense to give dreadnoughts, Land Raiders, and Repulsors the 'Deathwing' keyword and then have any Deathwing rules only affect infantry.
@@BurnByMoonlight Dark Angels seriously have the worst detachments in the game. The best one is Inner Circle and even then it’s sitting at like a 30-40% win rate.
The Agents army rule needs to work in reverse when you're playing them. If your army is Agents of the Imperium, you can include units from one other imperial faction. You can take 2 battleline, 2 characters (not epic heroes), and 1 other unit for a 2k army.
100% agreed although for fluff reasons maybe this should exclude any unit with the Custodes or anathema psykana keywords ? The Talons of the Emperor answer to no one after all.
Honestly as a DA player they just need to remove the ability to run core codex detachments, but make our detachments actually good and usable, then you could balance our divergent unit points around our detachment rather than just gladius, and improve codex detachments separately without impacting points
They also need to buff codex detachments, too, though. They're literally better for divergent chapters (with stormlance being the most egregious by far.)
I agree with you. lock out core detachments from divergent chapters. I also suggest giving divergent chapters their own army rule and take away Oath of Moment. Just make a clean break.
It's the obvious clear fix once we all get our own codexes, but space wolves being forced to always use the still iffy single detachment we have until we get a codex would be pretty miserable
Nah, they cant do that, they would have to do this for all factions as well. At this point they should just make a codex supplement for codex convergent chapters. Or i dont know, and i dont care anymore. I just sold all my Dark Angels, and turned to Black Legion. Cant stand the lack of customization anymore.
all this does is narrow even further what people can play. the biggest problem would be hurting casual players even further to appeal to the comp crowd. what they need to do is add back the flavor and appeal for casual players, not dial it back even further. They need to actually give codex marines meaningful chapter bases buffs and not just strip more things from the game.
@@tbone11x Matching DW Knights on damage may be a bit much since the bikes also get the plasma guns and high speed. Keeping them just below is probably fine.
I don’t think people fully appreciate just how few data sheets Dark Angels have. In terms of normal “troops” we have inner circle, DWK, black knights, and death wing terminators (which are just terminators). We don’t even have a unique battle line unit. Is it too much to ask for some robed generic space marines GW? Maybe give us some cool unique plasma weapons? You know, the thing that the Dark Angels are supposed to excel at.
Considering it actually costs 845 to run (because an accompanying mek is a must-have addition to the unit), dropping it to 750 would be the least GW could do to help us out…
The problem ist, that the Stompa ia very hard to balance. He is not bad, even for his points. In Dread Mob with a Mek it can totally go mad, In other detachments he is not that good at all. With 2 stratagems he could theoretically do around 400 (!!!) damage per turn. Some factions cannot handle him (toughness 14, 2+ save and 30wounds is hard to kill), some others can shoot it easily... 755 points seems fair, so the Mek cost is included in the 800 points
unending swarm needs to be fixed. invasion fleet does a better job at being an "unending swarm" than unending swarm does... unending swarm needs some other way to replenish unending swarm units now that its main strategem is only once per game.
@@maxreis9534 id like to see insurmountable odds get changed from giving surge movement to passively regenerating all of your unending swarm units by 1d3 models (or 1d3+1 models if theyre in synapse) during your command phase. obviously that has the same downside as necrons where your opponent can wipe the unit to prevent the regeneration but when your entire army is unending swarm units I feel like it should at least trigger a few times each game.
This would likely need to come with an increases to a bunch of Orks units' points cost. Not a bad trade-off, but if I had to choose I'd rather they look to help the less playable detachment rules.
@@doctor8bricks I think it won't really have to, given that you only have one "GO!" turn except in Bully Boyz. As it is, its value is hosed more than it should when you go second. But yes, I am definitely onboard with giving love to the detachments that really got sidelined. I don't need my Kult of Speed to dominate the meta, just let it not suck. It feels bad pushing aside grumbling over needing more oomph or muscle and telling myself I should just play War Horde.
@@Klierowski I mean just make it so they can't take Codex Detachments? Although honestly I think, at least compared to DA, part of the problem is a lack of Sustained Hits on relevant shit.
As an anvil siege player. The strats we get for objective control and play are actually decent. But we are severely kneecapped by our army rule being connected to not moving. The entire game is centered around getting to objectives. Controling board edges or corners. Completing actions that consume shooting phases. Cant we still get +1 hits with maybe normal moves? But not advances or special movements? Or maybe go back to exploding 6s like 9th? I try to take a mix of heavy infantry and vehicles in keeping with the siege craft theme. But my word. I cant take any ground if i cant get there first to hold it!
One thing they could try for anvil seige force is keep the rule the same but add an extra ap in addition to the plus one to wound. Since u are sacrificing all movement on that unit and movement is really important to be sacrificing you will want to make sure u kill/heavily damage what your shooting at with those units
I would rather have them treat units as stationary if they move half their movement or less. Call it Steady Advance or something and say a unit can't advance or charge that turn. I don't know.
1. Every faction without a codex, excluding the early 2025 ones that have been revealed, should get a 2nd detachment. 2. Rework drukhari's index. They are in a horrid balance space right now. Rsr is spamming covens because of the cheap bodies and spamming dark lance fire. Ssa got butchered for a "57% winrate" that included the first month of nexus. The winrate was on a decline, 53% with the first month factored out. Ssa was a bandaid fix to horrid strength numbers and the cracks are showing. Drukhari is likely not getting a codex till october 2025 at best, spring 2026 at worst. Something has to change for drukhari. Points changes don't fix datasheet problems.
@@lunettesfumees1312 they do it with everything, they will nerf something from 3 different angles not realizing collectively they went too far and then not reverse it or help it until we're just about done with the edition anyway. Right hand doesn't know what the left is doing apparently... different guys working on different things and at different times I guess. In the digital age why aren't "hot fixes" applied if something really needs addressing? They could of done something to adjust miracle dice in the mean time or do something to adjust the gsc coming back on a 4up problem over night and even note that it's subject to change in the future or whatever. Things falling through the cracks... dark angels Vengeance got its damaged reduced when the book launched and obviously it absolutely sucks now and points will not ever fix that unless it's silly cheap and so a hot fix to out the damage back makes it viable again... how hard is that right.
@Optionvideo209 yeah, as i usually say "Give them time, they are paid by the hour" Do yo remember the indirect tax that happened when they made a wonky rule for it ? That tax ended up nerfing the worst unit of my codex LMAO
DC with Jump Packs is the unit that could go down the most because their points changes made no sense going from 120 with Wargear spam to 115 Codex and then up to 130 when the unit got weaker.
@zach8888 it's more the sustained 3 added for 10 points... that's 7 attacks for the chainsword, 1 for the charge, 3 more for his ability and likely a other 1 for the iteration stratagem. 12 attacks hitting on 2s and ideally into the oath target ideally with assault intercessors with full rerolls to wound too. That's an average of some 22 hits assuming fishing and getting 3 6s with at least 10 mortal wounds assuming rerolls to wound (and many more regular wounds)
@primarchvulkan5097 which is an issue with the ENHANCEMENT not the captain. Besides its only one time per game he can hulk out. I don't really see a problem with a once per game hulk out for cheapish
The problem with anything GW does for codex space marines is that it will only ever be a buff to Ultramarines. The nature of the detachment system is such that every other chapter is weaker than Ultramarines. It doesn’t matter if Adrax is 20 points, taking him instead of the Ultramarines characters means you are gimping your list. It doesn’t matter if they make Ironstorm Spearhead way better for codex marines. You are NOT taking Iron Father Ferros. You are taking Ultramarine characters. It is a fundamental problem with 10th edition’s systems. There is no point, if you want to win, in playing anything other than Ultramarines this edition because the power of your chapter is consolidated solely within your leaders.
The point would be that if you run Feirros and you get a better version of Ironstorm, like a buffed detachment rule and maybe more benefit to detachments strategems. So as an example you could have that if you play Ironstorm as Iron Hands you get the standard detachment rule plus all your vehicles get a 5+ invul, something like that. You could put the enhancement back as being an aura for Iron hands. If you play Firestorm as Salamanders you get +1 AP as well within 6". It's not too hard to make those detachments worthwhile playing with chapter specific characters.
@@tajj7100% agree with this, adds detachment balances in the same way the divergent chapters work by only being able to use certain equipment and abilities when declaring that you are playing as said chapter
That could be fixed somewhat by buffing rules for other characters as well (god knows half the SM range *needs* their datasheet rules changed or buffed...)
Deathwatch update: another low effort thing, which would help Imperial Agents overall, is allowing access to things like Repulsors, Predators, and Dreadnought variants. I mean they could just allow the Deathwatch Detachment have heavy if not full access to the Space Marine range, Sisters to theirs, Grey Knights to theirs, and Navy to the Astra Militarium range.
They should say the divergent chapters only have access to their own supplement ones.That way they keep the flavor of each chapter and yes giving the other chapter more specific increases to their that match the lore of the style of warfare would be huge.
Woah, such a fun idea. Now DA go from somewhat competitive to absolutely unplayable because 2/3 of their detachments are unsalvageable pieces of shit and the only somewhat salvageable one is hindered by the fact that regular Terminators suck. Removing access to the standard codex detachments would require far more balancing than adjusting the point costs of the regular SM units
I think this is the best way to fix the problem. Gw should work on separating Codex Space Marine away from divergent chapters. Lock out the core codex detachments from all divergent chapters forcing divergents to use their own. I would also take away Oath of Moment and give divergent chapters their own army rules. GW will have a hard time balancing the distinct space marine armies away from one another until they break each of them away.
@@wakito64 well, it's the only way to fix it. As of now, the compliant and divergent chapters are too fixed together, and it's to their detriment more than their gain. But GW are too inept to actually do good game balance beyond having new box units be OP, then nerfing them when the next new unit comes out.
As a CSM player, more detachments isn't necessarily a good thing. Pretty much all our points are based on Renegade Raiders, so even those who aren't nearly as competitive get completely screwed over.
@@philskade9537basically this. Why just screw over especially whatever factions that are gonna be left holding the bag at the end of the edition when you can give them something new?
I say this as a Dark Angels player. Divergent Chapters should only get to use the Detachments from their Codex. That would solve a lot of problems and balancing complications. It does mean that some of these would need fixing (looking at you, Unforgiven Task Force).
@@DurnehviirDromokit's nice, but it's still balanced around a rule that MIGhT happen. Maybe having things that allow us to auto fail battleshock, like the blood angels strats
@@jamesmowatt6736 well, maybe they instead could do some of what they have done with imperial agents, and increase the prices of non specialized units by 10 or 20% making them less relevant for divergent chapters but still be available. They would have to take into consideration that not all divergent chapters are complete though and not make everything so expensive that some chapters are left without meaningful anti tank or scout units.
I think Necron Warriors should have some sort of bonus to their Reanimation roll, because my main problem with them is their survivability. Either that, or give my Canoptek Scarab Swarms the Epic Hero keyword. That would really help.
@@viktorgabriel2554 possibly. but the assimilator is just a no brainer for assimilation swarm. and giving the norn assimilator harvester keyword lets it regen health which puts it more on par with the emissary at least in assimilation swarm. ideally every unit should be good in at least one detachment.
I hope they fix necrons annihilation legion and fix some internal balance in the other detachments. I hate how hypercrypt is carrying the faction. Deep down the synergies isn’t as good as any other codex.
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what I want for marines is a return of chapter tactics for codex marine chapters that use no suppliment units. example: White scars get a +1 strength and attack after charging. Iron hands get a 6+ feel no pain across the whole army and a 5+ feel no pain on characters. raven guard can redeploy 3 units before the first turn and can forward deploy 1 unit that doesn't have the rule. imperial fists +1 to hit when shooting from cover or when firing overwatch. salamanders get +1 strength and ap when within 6 inches of an enemy (shooting and melee). Ultra marines get to declare one unit, not a named character, and they can reroll and 1s to hit and wound. Then give each named chapter 2 enhancements tied into their lore that can be used in any detachment. Pull from the lore and pick two unique relics. In a perfect world I'd like one upgrade to take the form of a points heavy character upgrade (iron father for iron hands, forge master for salamanders, castellan for imperial fists, ect) that provides a lot of buffs to a captain. The other I'd like to see be a interesting piece of wargear, a shooting or melee weapon that can be used to boost a character's potency and killyness. The chapter tactics I listed can also be taken by any second founding chapter (call them something generic like salamanders chapter tactic is "forged in fire" and iron hands is "unyielding endurance" and imperial fists is "bolter discipline".) but when taking a founding chapter they are stuck to their chapter tactic. (ie: nova marines can use any of the of the 6 listed chapter tactics, with iron hands are forced to take the iron hands tactic).
@@m33ddyhv chapter master and chapter command units should make a return. It was just a fun kit bash opportunity. that is my hope. People love to rep their chapters, and making the majority of chapters feel bland and tied entirely to one or two characters, if you are lucky, has been a real enjoyment killer.
Da Big Hunt could be a bit more lenient as your target, either "pick whatever if no vehicle" or something. Picking a target based on your active Secondaries could be very cool but a massive pain in the *ss to write properly.
Riptide. Increase the power of its gun, increase the amount of gattling gun shots it gets. And increase to points. A giant knight-sized gun should not be only strength 8 and 6 shots.
but that`s not really a balance problem, as the Riptide is still very good! No fan of making units very good in everything and then just increase the points.No one cares about 50 points increase, if the model is extremely strong
How many guns out there guarantees 6 shots with 4 damage per wound? How many of them have the option for these shots to be Devastating, Lethal or Sustained hits 2, with reroll 1s to hit and wound? I agree there should be some changes for the model, but I would rather have the Nova reactor becoming more useful(give it one of each "charge", so 1 turn for devastating, 1 turn for mobility and 1 turn for durability), than just "buff gun". The Riptide guns work well against their intended targets, but can spill into other roles due to Tau detachment mechanics. If you want good anti-tank weaponry, you have many Seeker missiles, including the Broadside, Hammerhead and Skyray. And of course there is also the Sunforge Crisis. The Riptide is very durable and mobile for its current cost. If you up the guns outright, it needs a drastic increase in cost. For instance, if we up it to S10/11, it would need to be 240 pts or so.
Same issue as Admech has been plagued by Riptide should not be that spamable, it should be a significant points investment and a minor centerpiece of your army
I wish they would make trajann valoris useful again and custodes dreads get 8 inch move like most other dreads have. Give us a chance at some variation at least.
@CatroiOz Of course, can't let custodes have any proper guns, and especially not for only 215 points... At such a low cost what are we supposed to expect! There is also the fact that the Telemon is supposed to be the biggest and the baddest mf around, but he has 5 melee Attacks that hit for 3 Dmg... Seriously... I guess by hand crafted they mean he created their hands... With his hands... Yup!
As far as I know, most basic dreads and Venerable ones have Movement 6". The Redemptor-line and the Invictor are the only ones that I know that have Movement 8"(and the Wulfen). The Custodes Dreads have more wounds and an Inv. save compared to standard dreads, as well as better WS and BS. The Telemon is very durable with its 4+ Inv. and -1 to damage taken, and its weapons typically have better AP compared to its Redemptor counter-part. If you want proper anti-tank guns, you get the tanks(Caladius is one of the best in the game), or you play a different faction.
@fendelphi In 9th edition the movement of Venerable dreadnoughts was 9 inches and it was reduced going into 10th edition, making them a lot slower and as such all but unusable. As for Calidus Tank, I have 3 of them but, like the dreadnoughts they are FW and fu**ing expensive. Custodes have a minimal plastic range, with the calidus tank, Achilles/Galatus and also venetari the most relevant units that desperately needs a plastic release. Even with those 3 units though, custodes would still have one of the absolute smallest plastic ranges in the game. This gives custodes a narrow selection base with very little variety considering both the real world cost of the FW products combined with the too high in-game cost and lack of viability for the dreadnoughts as they are, meaning a reversal of the movement nerfs for these dreadnoughts would make them somewhat more palatable... Other factions, like space marines, generally have other better dreadnoughts to field and the older ones that have had their movement restricted are also never used. The Telemon Does have a 8 inch range, but the cost combined with the low ranged damage potential and the pitiful melee damage it offers does not make much sense as someone mentioned above, and it is virtually never used. Few people actually spend hundreds of pounds for a model that is close to unusable and has no shelf life guarantee, nor should they be expected to.
Why do generic space marine players act like the supplemental codices are just dominating the meta. Bro, my Dark Angles have been struggling since we got our codex. At their best since then is reaching a 50% winrate. Which lasted like, a month. You think I want to run Gladius all the time? We have the worst detachments in the game. I’m not against different point costs. Which should go both ways. Blood angels should have cheaper jump packs. Dark Angels should have cheaper hellblasters and terminators, etc.
I just hope that Necron warriors get a D6 on their reanimation, even if it's conditional. That's all they've needed to justify their points. A D6 instead of a D3 means they can still be a decent tar pit without being absolutely horrendous to chew through like in the index at the start of 10th
@@priestking8636 necron warriors should be BS3 and Sv3+ and gauss flayers should have ap1. and necron immortals should have 2 wounds each. with points adjusted of course. necrons arnt supposed to be a robot horde army.
My Solution to gsc. Max sized units are revived as min sized. So you get to play the big cool combo and then it becomes a scoring tool late game. Keep the blip token and deep strike as is. Fixed the main problem of inconsistency and the units can be balanced around if they come back. 5 Aberrants could drop to 120 cause that is it but a full block of 10 is actually 15 and that stays at 300. The only thing left would be to figure out points and what they change “deeds that speak to the masses”.
If they can update the Chaos Knights army rule to not include battleshock, similar to how they added new bits to the Death Guard army rule, then they would certainly hit stronger
CK don’t really need big knights, 2 incredibly strong datasheets can hard carry them to impressive heights. Being able to get 2 dogs to ignore terrain is godly.
There are alternate ways to use stratagems in the old Deathwatch detachment based on id they are DW Kill Teams or just Space Marines. They could do that for all the generic chapters.
It might be me being crazy, but regualr points updates is doing my head in. It's great buying some models, then them getting inflated so you can't field them lol (/s). Seriously, weaker armies need better rules / synergy / design vision instead of simply being able to take more of them. I'm not one for buying 4 boxes of the same thing, so my armies tend to be varied and acutely costed in points...so any points adjust usually throws everything out of whack and becomes a maths lesson in making numbers fit into 2000 lol. I dunno...points adjustments seem to be a low level quick fix which gets far too much emphasis for updates.
Tyranids: Unbending swarm either needs repeatable swarm units stratagems back or have the Endless Swarm stratagem in it. The detachment is handicapped on one unit being spawned back. Crusher Stampede: Honestly, I think survivability might be the thing here, but I literally haven’t bothered to use it because none of the abilities I feel help objective control or how hard they should hit I guess. Assimilation Swarm. More units need to have the keyword. 4 units I think only have the keyword, which makes no sense.
What i wanna see for the 3 armies i play; Necrons: really want our pre codex reanimation rules. One D6 or a D3+3 with a leader. Tyranids should NOT have better reanimation than fucking cyborgs. Give the triarch praetorians the ability to be lead by a noble, and make that noble the overlord with translocation shroud. He has no use being around immortals/warriors/lychguard. What he does can already be augmented with the normal overlord with a cryptek. Make the TLO able to lead praetorians and suddenly obesience phalanx becomes a SCARY detachment. Chaos Space Marines: for the love of god across the board i need AP. Its ridiculous to me that my battle line Legionaires have 0AP on their bolters. Honestly happy with everything else, i can work with whats there. Dark pact and just a single AP to show these are the corrupted but equally as devastating space marines makes both lore sense and tabletop sense. Space Marines: ive been slowly phasing my salamanders out and replacing them with Carcharodons. I have almost all Gravis and Phobos as a theme for what im collecting. I need a way to transport 10 Heavy Intercessors up to an objective and unless i run the 700point thunderhawk gunship, im shit outta luck. Ideally, since i can take 10 heavy intercessors, i would like a way to transport said 10 heavy intercessors. On top of that, the reivers need some desperate help. Theyre honestly fine until they hit melee combat. 3 or 4 attacks (cant remember) S4 Dmg 1 with precision, but no AP? You mean the guys who are terror troops carrying knives specifically designed to cut the throat of enemy leadership cant pierce through armor? Id be ecstatic if they got just a simple AP1 to their combat knives. Besides, SM2 is a thing and everyone loves zipping around in the va guard class. At least make them seem as cool as they are in SM2.
Honestly, the best way to FIX Codex Marines versus Divergent is to create one more selection at army creation. Select a gene father, each gene father grants specific categories of Units one free Strategem pert turn. Example: Imperial Fists - Once per turn, a Tacticus unit can use Overwatch for free; White Scars - Once per turn, a unit with the Mount keyword can Move, Shoot, Advance, and Charge; Raven Guard - Once per Turn, a phobos unit can Rapid Ingress for Free; Salamanders - Once per turn, Any Unit can use Heroic Intervention for Free; Ultra Marines - Can use Grenades once per turn for free. These are little underwhelming cause I only spent 3 minutes thinking about it. Another choice is a unique Trait for each First Founding gene sire; something like Khan chapters get an extra 2" movement for all Mounted and Fly units; Dorn - All bolter get an additional 2" range or Infantry always count as stationary when firing weapons; Vulkan - Flamer Weapons gain a MW mechanic; Corax - All 3+ Armor units have Scout; Roboute - Improved Leadership (since they already get all the best Epic Characters). Lastly, they could each get a signature unit and/or Force Org Change. Khan - Mounted Units get Keyword Battleline, Stormcaller Librarian on Jet Bike; Vulkan - Flamer Uints as Battleline, Melta based Unit with Jump Packs similar to Suppressors; Ferrous - Techmarines are Battleline, a Thunderfire Cannon or Rapier equivalent but worth using; Roboute - Can take Sternguard as Battleline; A Centurion Variant; Corax - Phobos Units are Battleline, A Unit worthy of the Reiver Models' appearance; Dorn - Centurions as Battleline, A Siege Terminator variant... Just thoughts, would love feedback
Give space marine chapters more unique abilities. Make a model thats just "Chapter Master", give it a sprue with a bunch of different available poses and weapons. Then let the player choose bonus' depending on origin decisions. Deathworld Recruitment : Gets an additional 1-3 wounds Imperial Homeworld : Ballistic/Weapon Skill +1 VoidBorn Recruitment : Psyker units gain Weapon Skill +1. Chapter master gets psychic attacks ETC. At this point, we gotta just Grab a captain/LT and say "This is our chapter master" while Jimmy across the table drops a primarch and says "Lmao"
I truly believe they need to make it just an FAQ that if a player uses any units that are divergent chapter specific, they must use detachments from that chapter’s codex.
Honestly, for Beast Snagga detachment, I feel like you could update the prey rule to have some sort of range where the rule gets less restrictive: If a vehicle, monster or warlord within 18' of any ork unit, must elect one of those. If none within that range, then must elect a character led or mounted unit within 18' Otherwise, may elect any eligble unit as prey. Feel like that makes it feel less useful against certain factions, while still giving some counterplay with the mechanic. Totally lore friendly for a smarter faction to use a 'decoy' vehicle to force the declaration that way.
“If your [divergent chapter] army contains units with the [divergent chapter] keyword, you may not choose a detachment listed in Codex Space Marines if the faction has a Codex Supplement. Instead, you must choose a detachment specified in your faction’s Codex Supplement.”
Looks like everyone has a personal wish list. As a Ravenwing player and die hard Company of Hunters detachment user, I have my fingers crossed that they do something for Outriders, Blacknights, or to improve the CoH stratagems. I’d love to see some better reactive items, or something like ride hard ride fast from Stormlance. Not a lot of incentive to use CoH over Gladius right now.
As an AdMech fan, I hope they increase the points costs of our units 20% across the board, and adjust their datasheets to justify that higher cost. Our kits are too expensive to be a horde army. Of course that isn't going to happen, so more realistically here are some things I hope they actually do: - Make the Cybernetica Datasmith a required model for a unit of bots, change the bots move back to 8", and get rid of all the extra verbiage surrounding adding the datasmith to the bots unit as a leader. Don't increase the cost of a unit of bots more than 20pts to compensate for this. I'm fine if the datasmith isn't a LoneOp and can be sniped out of the unit to mess with the ability to change modes. - Add something to the Cohort Cybernetica detachment rule that affects more than just bots. Maybe a generic +1 to armor saves for units within 3" of an AdMech vehicle or something. I don't really care what, but the detachment rule only affecting a single datasheet is not good. - Make sure that at least two stratagems in each detachment can be used generically on any AdMech unit. Don't lock every strat in to the detachments favored sub-faction keyword, or restrict them to a priority objective in the case of Explorator. Most of our detachments simply can't affect enough units and need to have additional generic capability in them that isn't will work on anything in the army. - If completely rewriting it isn't an option, give Explorator Maniple two priority objectives by default. - Drop the max number of Ironstriders/Dragoons in a unit from 3 down to 2, and adjust the weapon stat lines to get them up to around 80-90ppm. The durability on these units is appropriate, but they need enough damage output to justify a significantly higher points cost. This includes the Radium Jezzail carrying version of the Dragoon. That gun will probably need significant help to get the unit above meme-tier. The model kit is too expensive to be bringing as many as we can right now.
A very simple change to make Kastelans more of a flavor choice doing 2 things. 1. Give them the army rule. So they function in other detachments. 2. In cybernetica cohort give them the battleline keyword. 6 groups of bots is a meme, but Admech is the ONLY army where battleline shares buffs to its other units (breacher rerolls, ruststalker +2 advance and charge, pteraxii shootnscoot, the army rule itself). Its the only army where having battleline nearby does more than just having more OC on the point.
Another thought on Knights (both imperial and Chaos) is with the big knights big bases and the terrain dense layouts of WTC boards it is difficult to move the big one around which would add to the reluctance to include them in lists.
I wish my Necrons didn't have every player running Hypercrypt since the constant nerfs are negatively nerfing our other detachments. I noticed that other factions such as the new Angelic Host that have the same playstyle such as Hypercrypt but are only allowed to take infantry back into reserves. I think Hypercrypt should have something similar based on their lore which is having infantry phasing onto the battlefield as well as Monoliths. Also, I hate that GW is allowing C'tan spam which is also nerfing are other armies. It feels silly and OP that Hypercrypt can place Doomsday Arks, and other large vehicles and GW ended up increasing the cost of Monoliths from 350 up tp 400. They also increased the Tesseract Vault up to 425 points and the Silent King is still extremely expensive. Over all its been a negative play experience for Necron players as well as the factions playing against Hypercrypt. Nobody Warriors after their D6 Renaimation was educed down to a D3 and the Reanimator had its aura reduced to crazy low 3". Warriors had their 12" Gauss Reaper with 2 attacks Str reduced down to 4 from 5. Guass Flayers need a change siiliar to Gauss Blasters which had rapidfire1 taken away for 2 shots at 24". CUrrently there is still no reason for Warriors to use Flayers unless they gave it 2 Shots at 24" and keep their AP at 0. The number of units Crypteks used to be able to join was originally 3 and hen GW reduced thier unit list so they can only join battle line which is baiscally just Immortals because of the current situation with Warriors. But then they allowed the Tachnomancer to join Wraiths which recreated the same durability issues when all Crypteks were able to join Lychguard despite the fact it was just the Technomancer combined with a Noble and Cryptothralls. No reason to restrict the other Crypteks. Still feels odd that the Catacomb command Barge doesn't have the Noble Keyword. Its getting kind of frustrating that the same models from 9th edition ere over nerfed which made them rarely see play and its happening again. ALso would be nice if the CTan made from fine cast finally got the proper resculpts since they looks pretty silly when standing next ot the Void Dragon. 9th edition only allowed 1 C'tan due to the fact they are angry enslaved star gods and would never unleash multiple CTan shardes onto the battlefield since it becomes too difficult to maintain control which could end up creating a scenario where multiple Shardes begin to attack both sides while also altering the very fabric if reality. Even Eldar are restricted to taking either the Avatar of Khaine or the Avatar of Ynead. Ultimately I would love to see the Necrons internal balance fixed so other detachments are viable and see some of the other nerfs undone or at least fix some of the over corrections to units such as Cryptothralls by giving them a minor buff such as Pistol on their 6" gun which has no special rules and reduce their points. Give the Reanimator a 6" Aura or design a rule that allows him to temporarily increase its aura.
Annihilation legion needs A LOT of love, would love fighty boys to punch up to Blood Angels and Dark Eldar. I recently played a 1k narrative follow up game where I used 3 c'tan but the idea that they were used out of spite to wipe out the city, should have home-brewed a rule where the player can loose control of them :D .
Space Marines and Agents both need a significant number of new/rewritten rules to make them worthwhile. GW just isn't the type to make changes on that scale (unless there's a mechanic they want to nerf into oblivion). Despite the new Balance Dataslate, I expect to see only the laziest numeric tweaks to existing rules. What I'd like to see: - Agents get an actual army rule, which gives powerful new abilities to Characters so Inquisitors feel appropriately important. Agents can include IG, SM, or SoB units as Allies - Ordo Xenos gains unlimited Space Marine Allies, which also gain the Deathwatch keyword. - Change the Space Marine Chapters rule to give an additional Codex keyword to non-divergent chapters. Each detachment gets unique rules to leverage that keyword (e.g. more valid targets for Codex 1st Company Task Force strats, Codex Anvil Siege Force gets a little extra mobility, etc) What I'm expecting: - Nerf Agents but pretend it's a buff - Black Spear Task Force returns but all of the unique Deathwatch datasheets remain in Agents of the Imperium and must be taken as Allies - Numeric buffs for all Codex Space Marine Epic Heroes and nothing else. The press release is condescending about people with non-keyword chapters or who don't want to play herohammer
I think i have a fairly decent idea of how to fix Assimilation Swarm for Tyranids. I would just somply tweak a little in their detachement rules, so their healing would be so lacklustered. One model in that unit regains up to D3 lost wounds. *"If that unit is a harvester unit, you heal 3 wounds instead of D3".* One destroyed INFANTRY model (excluding CHARACTERS) is returned to that unit with its full wounds remaining. If that unit is an ENDLESS MULTITUDE unit, up to *"D3+3"* destroyed models are returned instead. Maybe there would need to be some changes to 1 or 2 enhancements too, but for the start i think that this change could be enough.
Pre-codex release there were rumours kicking around that the Buggies had abilities that activated in the Waaagh! turn, but obviously that didn't make it to publication. As well as the datasheets being weak, it's a real problem that KoS essentially doesn't have an army rule to support it. Having an Army rule that only works for one turn of a five-turn game is rough, but having nothing at all is diabolical.
Shot in the dark, but I wish the Admech army rule would receive some small tweaks. Currently, it just doesn't feel how it should, and most armies rock conqueror all game until you need to kill a horde or take down a tank.
I prefer protector myself having my 18 breachers hitting on 2+ rerolling for lethal is insanely strong dont get me wrong conqueror is strong for the ap and assault buff but only half the army benefits 100% from it where as protector benefits nearly 95%
You know a codex is bad when it’s not even to play casually. Imperial Agents truly is a modern GW codex. I’d like DW remake to at least feel fluffy. Not just “only infantry”
Well they can adjust the core Sm detachments for especific keywords. Make em more theme related. Make a boost for every core SM keyword for their related detachment. Example: Every SM faction can play all of the core detachments, but if you play gladius with an army that have the SM keyword ULTRAMARINES you get and extra buff like reroll the wound in the oath or something theme related, same case for Anvil, vanguard, ironstorm and their related chapter key words (imperial fists, raven guard, iron hands...etc) So you can play dark angels gladius but you cant acces that benefit bcause you dont have the ultramarine keyword or you can play irosntorm as ultramrines but you cant access the buff cause you dont have the iron hands keyword. Make the deatchment rule have a boost rule locked behind an army faction keyword, and with this you can limit the tipe of strong characters you can bring to the table (Marneus, Azrael, The lion, Guilliman, Dante...etc) And if you have your succesor chapter you can call what chapeter is the founder and can use their boost and miniatures in their respective detachment
DA changes I would like to see: Lion El’ Jonson, Librarians, and Phobos Librarians gain DEATHWING keyword. Belial: Sword of Silence gains ANTI-CHARACTER 2+ and +1 to AP characteristic. Change Grandmaster of the Deathwing ability to critical hits gain Lethal Hits instead of Precision, bump points up to reflect these changes. Lazarus: Add Rites of Battle ability and change Spiritshield Helm to Wargear Ability that gives his unit 4+ FNP against Psychic attacks and Mortal Wounds. increase his points cost. Add 1 to the damage characteristic of the Plasma Storm Battery on the Land Speeder Vengeance and bump the points up to 130-140. Inner Circle Task Force: Change detachment wording to read: Each time a DEATHWING INFANTRY or MONSTER unit from your army makes an attack that targets a unit within range of one or more of your Vowed objective markers, add 1 to the Wound roll. Inner Circle Task Force: change Eye of the Unseen enhancement to read: At the end of any charge phase, each enemy character unit within engagement range of the bearer’s unit must take a battle shock test. In addition, if the bearer’s unit is within range of a Vowed Objective, then until the end of the turn it gains the Fights First ability. Inner Circle Task Force: change Wrath of the Lion stratagem to read: WHEN: Your Charge phase. TARGET: One DEATHWING unit from your army that advanced this turn. EFFECT: Until the end of the turn, that unit is eligible to declare a charge and while that unit is within range of a Vowed Objective add 1 to the AP characteristic of melee weapons equipped by that unit.
I would like to see unending swarm get some love, it's my personal favorite bug detachment. Do I expect to see changes? No, but I would like to, as right now playing that detachment is essentially handing your opponent a free win.
if DW allies can use the Astartes keyword i can see the problem with DW being taken with divergent chapters and other chapters. imagine BA but now with DW units as well. so if made this way it should be like an index where they are DW only and no other chapter.
As much as I want them to do some edits to tyranids, the bug roster is pretty good all things considered. The detachment rule for crusher stampede needs to be more changes, give more units the harvester key word, allow tyranids to use the unending waves stratagem at least a few times in a game. As for unit changes, buff the Norns please. They are supposed to be the factions big knight equivalent, and they do not feel like a knight equivalent. Personally I also would wish that Tyranid warriors get an increase to their survivability. Just giving them a 3+ save would greatly increase their staying power.
Greyfax is one of the stronger characters in the IA codex. Attach her to an Exaction squad with medic, webber, and a grenade launcher, and you can delete most daemon characters easily due to the Anti-psyker ability she gives to their ranged weapons.
Havent started the video. But i would love a rule on all the (non ultra marine) epic characters granting a army wide boost to something specific. For example whitescare guy gives "nonmonster / vehicle units gain 2in movement characteristics" Fist give "heavy weapons get +1 bs"
It's worth noting the relative difference between codex marines and divergent chapter win rates is at least partially due to player base migration. The players with inherently higher win rates tend to shift to the better chapters as the meta changes, leaving behind the single chapter diehards. Codex marines losing their top players to divergent chapters will drop their average win rate regardless of how strong the faction is.
I think for Necrons Annihilation Legion they should emphasize their vision for it of blasting enemies with Lokhust and then following up with the melee destroyers. Something like in addition to the charge buffs, Destroyer Cult unit ranged weapons have +1S and AP but if they shoot they are not eligible to charge.
SM fixes Army rule buff for playing a codex compliant list. eg getting to pick to re-roll wounds or hits with OoM or plus 1 to wound, maybe a list of options to pick from for flavour. Bonus for chapters playing their detachment - each detachment may list a number of chapters that get that bonus and those bonus's may include additional enhancements or rules. First company detachment needs a glow up and not being chapter specific can work as the general detachment. Terminators need a buff to firepower as they can't come down much more but they don't have the punch for the points investment - eg stormbolters get twin linked. (Although an appropriate glowup on First company may resolve that)
Or lock divergent chapters out of core codex detachments; they have their own detachments that can be balanced on their own merits. Take Oath of Moment away from divergent chapters and give them their own distinct army rules. Now GW can balance all the space marine armies independent of one another in terms of units and points.
The best way would be to do points for detachment. Not all of the units need to be listed but something like in liberator assault group for BA jump pack intercessors and DC cost +10 points or in Vanguard Ventris and Devastator Centurions cost +10 points. In this way you only have to adjust the most/two most spammed units in that detachment from a balancing point of view and you don’t have units that are either ok everywhere and broken in one detachment or shit everywhere and only playable in one detachment.
For Variant Marines, if they buffed/balanced the 3 codex detachments, I wouldn’t be against the rule of choosing that faction locks you into only those 3 choices.
I think the company is honestly getting better and better with their points updates and their rules changes. They have a lot of ground to cover, but they seem to be going in the right direction. And having these updates every 6 months feels like a decent thing. Yes, I would like them more often. But with their recent track record, I think I can be hopeful for the next update.
There must something that boosts the detachment only if taking one of your named characters. Maybe if you field Tor Garradon: nominate one unit, this unit weapons gains heavy keyword and count as stationary. Otherwise Ultramarines will still be the best codex marines in any detachment
man i just want warlord traits and relics to come back 9th was a bit of a mess in terms of the amount of rules and useless strategems but 10th is a lil too meta for me
1) outright ban divergent chapters with their own codex from using the core detachments. 2) Massive points increase if using divergent chapters with core detachments. 3) Return pre 10th chapter tactics for core codex chapters when using their themed detachment. Any one of these options would be a major fix to Space Marines. I'd rather the return of chapter tactics over just kneecapping blood angels and dark Angels but I'd take it if it means I didn't have to suffer alone.
Alright everyone, remember nerfs do mostly not affect you. Unless you're in the case of a post-codex GC player that had his army somehow turned into even more of a fodder army than skaven is in AoS.
As a Cohort Cybernetica Ad Mech player. I know it is highly unlikely but I would love a little bit more help for my Kastelan Robots. Either a bit more movement or a little bit lower cost.
I've never liked the idea* having to take an epic character to get specific benefits. The divergent chapters don't have to. It feels like a tax, and it could involve taking a character that doesn't help your battle plan. I believe it would be healthier to allow people the option of paying something like 10-20 points to adopt the chapter keyword associated with their detachment, granting them bonuses for having that keyword. It could even be set up like an enhancement but one that applies to the army rather than a character. Or hell, why not: if it seems like the better choice for the sake of balance then by all means tie it to a character like any other enhancement. This would also naturally mean you get those bonuses for taking one of the epic characters with that chapter keyword without having to pay the tax listed in the detachment. To me that feels fair since you're already paying for the cost of the character.
@@basteala525 Right I'd agree with you, but you still don't have to take him to play Dark Angels if you don't want to. If he was required to be in your army list to play DA then I wouldn't like that because while he is strong enough for people to want to use him now he might not be in the future. If you were required to take Azreal in your list in order to play DA and he got nerfed to a point where people don't want to take him then you have effectively nerfed the faction as a whole because they have to take a points tax in the form of a character that has become dead weight and wasted points in their army.
To be fair, Riptides are used for a different purpose than Stormsurges. Riptides damage is kinda ass for the points, it's just they're one of our few units that are actually somewhat durable and fast enough to yeet at an objective.
@tinker1945 true it’s still over costed due to our army rule. how about a compromise so that one pathfinder unit can be the observer for the storm surge on two different targets
Even with a buff to taking Shrike for a vanguard list its still gonna be hard to actually justify him and balance Ravenguard or Imperial fist or honestly any of the other chapters really over just running most any of the detatchments as Ultramarines due to their unit strength and the sheer options they have. And thats with ignoring the fact that Gladius is already the top tier detachment, so giving UM a buff if they use it will honestly probably create an even greater disparity between the subfactions within Codex Marines. The best and honestly easiest option is just removing tbe divide between the chapters in Codex Marines so that we can at least use any combination of our unique units at a time. It would help draw players back to it as opposed to divergent chapters and would make trying to balance the characters easier due to actually being able to see some of them on more tables when they aren't restricted to being played by themselves
I'd like to see Mont'ka get a buff for T'au. There are sixteen T'au armies going into the World Champions tournament this weekend and only one of them is Mont'ka. (No Kroot pack lists either, but they just got points cuts.) Everything else is either Kauyon or RetCad. Exactly what that buff would be without ruining the detachment's core identity, I don't know.
Need to add like two more death watch infantry (terminators and another squad type), deathwatch land raider and add a army rule for imperial agents. Should be able go run deathwatch with either space marines or imperial agents. The rest of the Imperial agents detachments really want you focus on basically making sisters or grey knights with some arbities in as fodder. The sisters detachment rule one atleast works with the arbites, but the grey knights is either them or Draxus. Need more sisters/grey knight unit's (like one or two each) to give more variety. But keep the current reinforcement rules to the current squads.
i hope they buff all my armies and nerf all my friends armies
We all know this needs to happen
Me too
This is the way
😂😂😂
Yes
My perfectly balanced army
Their op piece of shit
My sophisticated andvanced strategy
Their disgusting cowardise
"We understand that playing Codex: Space Marines in 10th edition has been a bit underwhelming for our players. We have given a lot of thought to how to fix this and believe the following should go a long way to making non-divergent marines competitive without being overpowered: All Codex: Space Marines with bolt weapons now add 1" to their range. You're welcome." - GW
Puts you out of overwatch range
They totally would
You know it will be as underwhelming as this!
What a garbage rule... you should apply to work for GW!
"We're going to rename the Codex to Ultramarines and friends"
I just hope they buff my armies.
Not because they need it, but because I suck.
I am PRAYING they fix unending swarm! Getting units back once per game feels so horrible and the detachment is by far the worst for the nids.
I don’t play tyranids, but I’d like them to do this. Multiple waves is such a thematic thing to play against
Wait they made it once per game? That sucks massively! I was wanting to get into tyrannids and unending swarm SPECICALLY, I just love the idea of non stop units battering at the enemy, dying but in turn slowly chipping them away.
@blazichaos7181 They nerfed the detachment rule, because in a FAQ they said a unit can only surge move once per round.
Then they said that a stratagem that can bring back units can be used only once per game.
I think both FAQs were not targeting unending swarm but other detachments in other factions.
Unending swarm before those changes was the worst detachment for tyranids already, now it's even worse :(
Sad because it was my favorite detachment, because for me it was closest to the lore and I loved the idea of swarming the board.
@MrKaftpaket That first FAQ is fair in my opinion, but the nerf to bringing units back? Don't like it at all
@gavinziozios1431 Yeah I agree, but unending swarm got nothing in return, so still made it worse :/
I'd like to see Inner Circle Task Force lose the 'infantry' qualifier in it's detachment rule. Made zero sense to give dreadnoughts, Land Raiders, and Repulsors the 'Deathwing' keyword and then have any Deathwing rules only affect infantry.
Yes!!
This 1000000%
Agreed
Yes! If people want us to stop “breaking” base codex detachments, then we need our unique ones to be usable.
@@BurnByMoonlight
Dark Angels seriously have the worst detachments in the game. The best one is Inner Circle and even then it’s sitting at like a 30-40% win rate.
The Agents army rule needs to work in reverse when you're playing them.
If your army is Agents of the Imperium, you can include units from one other imperial faction. You can take 2 battleline, 2 characters (not epic heroes), and 1 other unit for a 2k army.
Fantastic idea. Makes so much sense, too.
You know. That actually makes sense. Why shouldn't they be able to take a group of space marines
100% agreed although for fluff reasons maybe this should exclude any unit with the Custodes or anathema psykana keywords ? The Talons of the Emperor answer to no one after all.
@@CatroiOz sisters of silence do actually work with the inquisition on black ships, they're even in the inquisition killteam
@@aqz7603 ah true ! Thanks for the reminder !
This is how you help stormlance. Every stratagem that has "Select a mount unit" you add "or Jump Pack Unit"
Honestly as a DA player they just need to remove the ability to run core codex detachments, but make our detachments actually good and usable, then you could balance our divergent unit points around our detachment rather than just gladius, and improve codex detachments separately without impacting points
They also need to buff codex detachments, too, though. They're literally better for divergent chapters (with stormlance being the most egregious by far.)
I agree with you. lock out core detachments from divergent chapters. I also suggest giving divergent chapters their own army rule and take away Oath of Moment. Just make a clean break.
It's the obvious clear fix once we all get our own codexes, but space wolves being forced to always use the still iffy single detachment we have until we get a codex would be pretty miserable
Nah, they cant do that, they would have to do this for all factions as well.
At this point they should just make a codex supplement for codex convergent chapters. Or i dont know, and i dont care anymore. I just sold all my Dark Angels, and turned to Black Legion. Cant stand the lack of customization anymore.
all this does is narrow even further what people can play. the biggest problem would be hurting casual players even further to appeal to the comp crowd.
what they need to do is add back the flavor and appeal for casual players, not dial it back even further.
They need to actually give codex marines meaningful chapter bases buffs and not just strip more things from the game.
Personally I’d love it if the Ravenwing black knights gained the ability to deal an appreciable amount of damage.
Yes
Their hammers could jump to ap-2 and 2 damage. Maybe even strength 6 to match the deathwing knights.
@@tbone11x Matching DW Knights on damage may be a bit much since the bikes also get the plasma guns and high speed. Keeping them just below is probably fine.
It's crazy how the bikes using dark age of technology weaponry are weaker than some random fenrisian wolves 😅
I don’t think people fully appreciate just how few data sheets Dark Angels have. In terms of normal “troops” we have inner circle, DWK, black knights, and death wing terminators (which are just terminators). We don’t even have a unique battle line unit. Is it too much to ask for some robed generic space marines GW? Maybe give us some cool unique plasma weapons? You know, the thing that the Dark Angels are supposed to excel at.
My prediction: Space marines get yet another nerf that oath of moments only let you reroll 1s…
Only reroll 6s ;)
And only on objectives...
I WANT MY STOMPA TO BE 650 POINTS
WAAAAAAAAGH!!!!
(Big agree)
I NEED THIS
It really needs to be. The fact my Porphyrion costs less, and can one shot it is not a good thing!!
Considering it actually costs 845 to run (because an accompanying mek is a must-have addition to the unit), dropping it to 750 would be the least GW could do to help us out…
The problem ist, that the Stompa ia very hard to balance. He is not bad, even for his points. In Dread Mob with a Mek it can totally go mad, In other detachments he is not that good at all. With 2 stratagems he could theoretically do around 400 (!!!) damage per turn. Some factions cannot handle him (toughness 14, 2+ save and 30wounds is hard to kill), some others can shoot it easily... 755 points seems fair, so the Mek cost is included in the 800 points
unending swarm needs to be fixed. invasion fleet does a better job at being an "unending swarm" than unending swarm does... unending swarm needs some other way to replenish unending swarm units now that its main strategem is only once per game.
Agreed.
Kroots and Tyranids catching strays because of Imperial Guard's Reinforcement and never getting fixed because they're Xenos so GW doesn't care 😂
100% agree. Perhaps the reanimation could be given to tervigons in this attachement which would make them more interesting.
@@maxreis9534 id like to see insurmountable odds get changed from giving surge movement to passively regenerating all of your unending swarm units by 1d3 models (or 1d3+1 models if theyre in synapse) during your command phase. obviously that has the same downside as necrons where your opponent can wipe the unit to prevent the regeneration but when your entire army is unending swarm units I feel like it should at least trigger a few times each game.
@@CatroiOz and to think that this could be fixed by changing the wording to must arrive from Deployment zone
Waagghh can be called at start of turn, not round
This would likely need to come with an increases to a bunch of Orks units' points cost. Not a bad trade-off, but if I had to choose I'd rather they look to help the less playable detachment rules.
Yes! WAAAAGH!
@@doctor8bricks I think it won't really have to, given that you only have one "GO!" turn except in Bully Boyz. As it is, its value is hosed more than it should when you go second.
But yes, I am definitely onboard with giving love to the detachments that really got sidelined. I don't need my Kult of Speed to dominate the meta, just let it not suck. It feels bad pushing aside grumbling over needing more oomph or muscle and telling myself I should just play War Horde.
I wish they made a build your own chapter master kit for space marines
haha no this isn't old 40k this is new 40k customization and kitbashing is not allowed
Come on GW, gimme my chapter tactics back.
Why, what would chapter tactics do that detachments doesn't?
@@mikeg8564become non codex chapters can't steal it from is too like they do detachments and enhancements and units.
@@Klierowskiagreed
@@Klierowski I mean just make it so they can't take Codex Detachments?
Although honestly I think, at least compared to DA, part of the problem is a lack of Sustained Hits on relevant shit.
As an anvil siege player. The strats we get for objective control and play are actually decent. But we are severely kneecapped by our army rule being connected to not moving. The entire game is centered around getting to objectives. Controling board edges or corners. Completing actions that consume shooting phases. Cant we still get +1 hits with maybe normal moves? But not advances or special movements? Or maybe go back to exploding 6s like 9th? I try to take a mix of heavy infantry and vehicles in keeping with the siege craft theme. But my word. I cant take any ground if i cant get there first to hold it!
I think the detachment should specify that you can pick X number of units to still be able to use heavy even if they moved
One thing they could try for anvil seige force is keep the rule the same but add an extra ap in addition to the plus one to wound. Since u are sacrificing all movement on that unit and movement is really important to be sacrificing you will want to make sure u kill/heavily damage what your shooting at with those units
I would rather have them treat units as stationary if they move half their movement or less. Call it Steady Advance or something and say a unit can't advance or charge that turn. I don't know.
@@RedCometNurse
Or
Or
Or!
They could bring back the stratagem from LAST EDITION that allowed you to count as stationary after moving......
1. Every faction without a codex, excluding the early 2025 ones that have been revealed, should get a 2nd detachment.
2. Rework drukhari's index. They are in a horrid balance space right now. Rsr is spamming covens because of the cheap bodies and spamming dark lance fire. Ssa got butchered for a "57% winrate" that included the first month of nexus. The winrate was on a decline, 53% with the first month factored out. Ssa was a bandaid fix to horrid strength numbers and the cracks are showing. Drukhari is likely not getting a codex till october 2025 at best, spring 2026 at worst. Something has to change for drukhari. Points changes don't fix datasheet problems.
Agreed. Majority of index abilities/ rules are weak
Death guard, world eaters, thousand sons, and aeldari really feel like they really need another detachment option to hold them over until the codex.
@@Wybrand418 Death guard is completly fine actually and thousand sons are still fine besides to the nerfs from the last patch
@@Wybrand418 death guard are getting loads of wins and top placings right now, not sure why you think they're weak
@jacket2848 feel like it's less strength and more they only have one way to play and it's getting stale.
Please unnerf titanic models that didnt deserve it. Most titanic models got nerfs early on in 10th because of knights and eldar. Revert them.
Hate it when they forget to unnerf shit like that. Caught in the cross fire and absolutely collateral damage.
@@Optionvideo209as a GK player
First time ?
@@lunettesfumees1312 they do it with everything, they will nerf something from 3 different angles not realizing collectively they went too far and then not reverse it or help it until we're just about done with the edition anyway. Right hand doesn't know what the left is doing apparently... different guys working on different things and at different times I guess. In the digital age why aren't "hot fixes" applied if something really needs addressing? They could of done something to adjust miracle dice in the mean time or do something to adjust the gsc coming back on a 4up problem over night and even note that it's subject to change in the future or whatever. Things falling through the cracks... dark angels Vengeance got its damaged reduced when the book launched and obviously it absolutely sucks now and points will not ever fix that unless it's silly cheap and so a hot fix to out the damage back makes it viable again... how hard is that right.
@@Optionvideo209yeah like the kroots getting nerfed out of nowhere because of Imperial Guard's Reinforcement stratagem
@Optionvideo209 yeah, as i usually say "Give them time, they are paid by the hour"
Do yo remember the indirect tax that happened when they made a wonky rule for it ? That tax ended up nerfing the worst unit of my codex LMAO
Please don't touch my Blood Angels... apart from death company with jump packs, they can go down by 10 points for 10 dudes
DC with Jump Packs is the unit that could go down the most because their points changes made no sense going from 120 with Wargear spam to 115 Codex and then up to 130 when the unit got weaker.
Honestly your captain needs to go up. He can spike way to high for points.
@jeremiegartner464 yes his ability to take an inferno pistol and chainsword totally makes him spike harder than other captains
@zach8888 it's more the sustained 3 added for 10 points... that's 7 attacks for the chainsword, 1 for the charge, 3 more for his ability and likely a other 1 for the iteration stratagem. 12 attacks hitting on 2s and ideally into the oath target ideally with assault intercessors with full rerolls to wound too. That's an average of some 22 hits assuming fishing and getting 3 6s with at least 10 mortal wounds assuming rerolls to wound (and many more regular wounds)
@primarchvulkan5097 which is an issue with the ENHANCEMENT not the captain. Besides its only one time per game he can hulk out. I don't really see a problem with a once per game hulk out for cheapish
The problem with anything GW does for codex space marines is that it will only ever be a buff to Ultramarines.
The nature of the detachment system is such that every other chapter is weaker than Ultramarines. It doesn’t matter if Adrax is 20 points, taking him instead of the Ultramarines characters means you are gimping your list.
It doesn’t matter if they make Ironstorm Spearhead way better for codex marines. You are NOT taking Iron Father Ferros. You are taking Ultramarine characters. It is a fundamental problem with 10th edition’s systems. There is no point, if you want to win, in playing anything other than Ultramarines this edition because the power of your chapter is consolidated solely within your leaders.
Pretty similar thing happening with CSM. If you're not taking certain detachments, you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
The point would be that if you run Feirros and you get a better version of Ironstorm, like a buffed detachment rule and maybe more benefit to detachments strategems. So as an example you could have that if you play Ironstorm as Iron Hands you get the standard detachment rule plus all your vehicles get a 5+ invul, something like that. You could put the enhancement back as being an aura for Iron hands. If you play Firestorm as Salamanders you get +1 AP as well within 6". It's not too hard to make those detachments worthwhile playing with chapter specific characters.
@@tajj7100% agree with this, adds detachment balances in the same way the divergent chapters work by only being able to use certain equipment and abilities when declaring that you are playing as said chapter
That could be fixed somewhat by buffing rules for other characters as well (god knows half the SM range *needs* their datasheet rules changed or buffed...)
All good points. I would like to see phobos marines be battleline if you play as Ravenguard.
Deathwatch update: another low effort thing, which would help Imperial Agents overall, is allowing access to things like Repulsors, Predators, and Dreadnought variants. I mean they could just allow the Deathwatch Detachment have heavy if not full access to the Space Marine range, Sisters to theirs, Grey Knights to theirs, and Navy to the Astra Militarium range.
They should say the divergent chapters only have access to their own supplement ones.That way they keep the flavor of each chapter and yes giving the other chapter more specific increases to their that match the lore of the style of warfare would be huge.
Woah, such a fun idea. Now DA go from somewhat competitive to absolutely unplayable because 2/3 of their detachments are unsalvageable pieces of shit and the only somewhat salvageable one is hindered by the fact that regular Terminators suck. Removing access to the standard codex detachments would require far more balancing than adjusting the point costs of the regular SM units
I think this is the best way to fix the problem. Gw should work on separating Codex Space Marine away from divergent chapters. Lock out the core codex detachments from all divergent chapters forcing divergents to use their own. I would also take away Oath of Moment and give divergent chapters their own army rules.
GW will have a hard time balancing the distinct space marine armies away from one another until they break each of them away.
@@wakito64just bring ass-rael and 3x5 DWknights, fucking autowim cuz they literally cannot be killed 😂
@@wakito64 well, it's the only way to fix it. As of now, the compliant and divergent chapters are too fixed together, and it's to their detriment more than their gain.
But GW are too inept to actually do good game balance beyond having new box units be OP, then nerfing them when the next new unit comes out.
More detachments would be lovely but we all know those sorts of request falls deaf on GW ears.
I'd love a second wave of codexes before 11th
To Auspex’ point, less than half the detachments are particularly playable right now, so I don’t think that’s a likely one
Although if we are talking index factions only, which haven’t yet been announced, then maybe a bonus detachment for those factions would be nice
As a CSM player, more detachments isn't necessarily a good thing. Pretty much all our points are based on Renegade Raiders, so even those who aren't nearly as competitive get completely screwed over.
@@philskade9537basically this. Why just screw over especially whatever factions that are gonna be left holding the bag at the end of the edition when you can give them something new?
I say this as a Dark Angels player. Divergent Chapters should only get to use the Detachments from their Codex. That would solve a lot of problems and balancing complications. It does mean that some of these would need fixing (looking at you, Unforgiven Task Force).
the additional paragraph Unforgiven got to it's Detach. Rule made it really nice all of a sudden, actually
We would need detachments that aren’t literally the worst in the game for me to be okay with that. Otherwise DA would plummet to like a 30% winrate.
@@DurnehviirDromokit's nice, but it's still balanced around a rule that MIGhT happen. Maybe having things that allow us to auto fail battleshock, like the blood angels strats
@@jamesmowatt6736 well, maybe they instead could do some of what they have done with imperial agents, and increase the prices of non specialized units by 10 or 20% making them less relevant for divergent chapters but still be available. They would have to take into consideration that not all divergent chapters are complete though and not make everything so expensive that some chapters are left without meaningful anti tank or scout units.
I think Necron Warriors should have some sort of bonus to their Reanimation roll, because my main problem with them is their survivability. Either that, or give my Canoptek Scarab Swarms the Epic Hero keyword. That would really help.
norn assimilator needs harvester keyword so it can be used in assimilation swarm.
they need to change a lot of Assimilation things like for instance Venomthropes Hive Guards all could use it as well
@@viktorgabriel2554 possibly. but the assimilator is just a no brainer for assimilation swarm. and giving the norn assimilator harvester keyword lets it regen health which puts it more on par with the emissary at least in assimilation swarm. ideally every unit should be good in at least one detachment.
I hope they fix necrons annihilation legion and fix some internal balance in the other detachments. I hate how hypercrypt is carrying the faction. Deep down the synergies isn’t as good as any other codex.
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They're gonna nerf flyers, I know that much. They've been _waaaaaaaay_ too overpowered this edition!
Hey man. Gotta keep those scary planes in the mud. God forbid guard gets to play air cavalry or tyranids wanna bring thier funny superheavy
what I want for marines is a return of chapter tactics for codex marine chapters that use no suppliment units. example:
White scars get a +1 strength and attack after charging.
Iron hands get a 6+ feel no pain across the whole army and a 5+ feel no pain on characters.
raven guard can redeploy 3 units before the first turn and can forward deploy 1 unit that doesn't have the rule.
imperial fists +1 to hit when shooting from cover or when firing overwatch.
salamanders get +1 strength and ap when within 6 inches of an enemy (shooting and melee).
Ultra marines get to declare one unit, not a named character, and they can reroll and 1s to hit and wound.
Then give each named chapter 2 enhancements tied into their lore that can be used in any detachment. Pull from the lore and pick two unique relics. In a perfect world I'd like one upgrade to take the form of a points heavy character upgrade (iron father for iron hands, forge master for salamanders, castellan for imperial fists, ect) that provides a lot of buffs to a captain. The other I'd like to see be a interesting piece of wargear, a shooting or melee weapon that can be used to boost a character's potency and killyness.
The chapter tactics I listed can also be taken by any second founding chapter (call them something generic like salamanders chapter tactic is "forged in fire" and iron hands is "unyielding endurance" and imperial fists is "bolter discipline".) but when taking a founding chapter they are stuck to their chapter tactic. (ie: nova marines can use any of the of the 6 listed chapter tactics, with iron hands are forced to take the iron hands tactic).
I like your ideas. Add a generic chapter master datasheet and thats golden.
@@m33ddyhv chapter master and chapter command units should make a return. It was just a fun kit bash opportunity. that is my hope.
People love to rep their chapters, and making the majority of chapters feel bland and tied entirely to one or two characters, if you are lucky, has been a real enjoyment killer.
Da Big Hunt could be a bit more lenient as your target, either "pick whatever if no vehicle" or something. Picking a target based on your active Secondaries could be very cool but a massive pain in the *ss to write properly.
Riptide. Increase the power of its gun, increase the amount of gattling gun shots it gets. And increase to points. A giant knight-sized gun should not be only strength 8 and 6 shots.
Nah gotta get that $ per point lower for more sales sorry
but that`s not really a balance problem, as the Riptide is still very good! No fan of making units very good in everything and then just increase the points.No one cares about 50 points increase, if the model is extremely strong
How many guns out there guarantees 6 shots with 4 damage per wound? How many of them have the option for these shots to be Devastating, Lethal or Sustained hits 2, with reroll 1s to hit and wound?
I agree there should be some changes for the model, but I would rather have the Nova reactor becoming more useful(give it one of each "charge", so 1 turn for devastating, 1 turn for mobility and 1 turn for durability), than just "buff gun".
The Riptide guns work well against their intended targets, but can spill into other roles due to Tau detachment mechanics.
If you want good anti-tank weaponry, you have many Seeker missiles, including the Broadside, Hammerhead and Skyray. And of course there is also the Sunforge Crisis.
The Riptide is very durable and mobile for its current cost. If you up the guns outright, it needs a drastic increase in cost. For instance, if we up it to S10/11, it would need to be 240 pts or so.
@@Silverdragon83XThen increase it by 100 pts instead? Thats how balance works right?
Same issue as Admech has been plagued by
Riptide should not be that spamable, it should be a significant points investment and a minor centerpiece of your army
15:05 that’s exactly what they did to Y’nnari and no one seemed to care then so why should they care about Deathwatch
I wish they would make trajann valoris useful again and custodes dreads get 8 inch move like most other dreads have. Give us a chance at some variation at least.
The fact that the Telemon Dreadnaughts are so weak is hilarious when you know lorewise there are only 5 and they were handcrafted by the Emperor 😂
@CatroiOz Of course, can't let custodes have any proper guns, and especially not for only 215 points... At such a low cost what are we supposed to expect! There is also the fact that the Telemon is supposed to be the biggest and the baddest mf around, but he has 5 melee Attacks that hit for 3 Dmg... Seriously... I guess by hand crafted they mean he created their hands... With his hands... Yup!
As far as I know, most basic dreads and Venerable ones have Movement 6". The Redemptor-line and the Invictor are the only ones that I know that have Movement 8"(and the Wulfen).
The Custodes Dreads have more wounds and an Inv. save compared to standard dreads, as well as better WS and BS.
The Telemon is very durable with its 4+ Inv. and -1 to damage taken, and its weapons typically have better AP compared to its Redemptor counter-part.
If you want proper anti-tank guns, you get the tanks(Caladius is one of the best in the game), or you play a different faction.
@@fendelphiballistus and brutalis move 8"
@fendelphi In 9th edition the movement of Venerable dreadnoughts was 9 inches and it was reduced going into 10th edition, making them a lot slower and as such all but unusable. As for Calidus Tank, I have 3 of them but, like the dreadnoughts they are FW and fu**ing expensive.
Custodes have a minimal plastic range, with the calidus tank, Achilles/Galatus and also venetari the most relevant units that desperately needs a plastic release. Even with those 3 units though, custodes would still have one of the absolute smallest plastic ranges in the game. This gives custodes a narrow selection base with very little variety considering both the real world cost of the FW products combined with the too high in-game cost and lack of viability for the dreadnoughts as they are, meaning a reversal of the movement nerfs for these dreadnoughts would make them somewhat more palatable...
Other factions, like space marines, generally have other better dreadnoughts to field and the older ones that have had their movement restricted are also never used. The Telemon Does have a 8 inch range, but the cost combined with the low ranged damage potential and the pitiful melee damage it offers does not make much sense as someone mentioned above, and it is virtually never used. Few people actually spend hundreds of pounds for a model that is close to unusable and has no shelf life guarantee, nor should they be expected to.
I still hope for detachment bonuses if not running divergent chapters.. failing that maybe old oath for codex chapters. Vanilla marines need some buff
It's nice that imperial knights are doing fine. Still praying for rule fixes for the valiant, acheron, and preceptor.
What they need to do is stop making my 100 dollar books i bought months ago obsolete
Who buys codexes lmao. Most are out of date before they even arrive!
Why do you buy them when you know this is what will happen 100% of the time?
@Hammershaimb literally hadnt played since 7th til i came back to the game a half a year ago, its very different
@@Endme264 ain't that the truth
I started getting into the hobby a few months ago, first thing I did was secure pdfs of the books and buy a 3d printer 😂
The fact that I'm getting into this hobby through a Deathwatch Start Collecting I bought ages ago makes me quite interested about this update...
Release more space marine units, buff marines (marines with too many wings, blood, and beards exempt from these buffs)
Need to make Marines with wings, blood AND beards for ultimate power
We don't need any more Space Marine units, thank you.
Yeah, is this a real request? I think the abundance of SM units is borderline meme levels at this point
Need another LT model. I need my fix
Why do generic space marine players act like the supplemental codices are just dominating the meta. Bro, my Dark Angles have been struggling since we got our codex. At their best since then is reaching a 50% winrate. Which lasted like, a month.
You think I want to run Gladius all the time? We have the worst detachments in the game.
I’m not against different point costs. Which should go both ways. Blood angels should have cheaper jump packs. Dark Angels should have cheaper hellblasters and terminators, etc.
I just hope that Necron warriors get a D6 on their reanimation, even if it's conditional. That's all they've needed to justify their points. A D6 instead of a D3 means they can still be a decent tar pit without being absolutely horrendous to chew through like in the index at the start of 10th
Better return ws bs to 3+ in addition
10 is the only edition from the 3ed when necron warriors hit on 4s instead of 3s
@@priestking8636 necron warriors should be BS3 and Sv3+ and gauss flayers should have ap1. and necron immortals should have 2 wounds each. with points adjusted of course. necrons arnt supposed to be a robot horde army.
GW!!! MAKE CUSTODES DREADNOUGHTS AND BIKES STRONG AGAIN!! AND MY MONEY IS YOURS!!
My Solution to gsc. Max sized units are revived as min sized. So you get to play the big cool combo and then it becomes a scoring tool late game. Keep the blip token and deep strike as is. Fixed the main problem of inconsistency and the units can be balanced around if they come back. 5 Aberrants could drop to 120 cause that is it but a full block of 10 is actually 15 and that stays at 300. The only thing left would be to figure out points and what they change “deeds that speak to the masses”.
If they can update the Chaos Knights army rule to not include battleshock, similar to how they added new bits to the Death Guard army rule, then they would certainly hit stronger
Imperial Knights run the big knights because they don't get the wardog options that Chaos Knights army has.
at least they can choose big knights :P
CK don’t really need big knights, 2 incredibly strong datasheets can hard carry them to impressive heights. Being able to get 2 dogs to ignore terrain is godly.
Stand alone Deathwatch my beloved. Soon. Soon...
I reallyreallyreally hope so.
There are alternate ways to use stratagems in the old Deathwatch detachment based on id they are DW Kill Teams or just Space Marines. They could do that for all the generic chapters.
The unending swarm for Tyranids needs to be unending again.
Stomps need a nerf in points
It might be me being crazy, but regualr points updates is doing my head in. It's great buying some models, then them getting inflated so you can't field them lol (/s). Seriously, weaker armies need better rules / synergy / design vision instead of simply being able to take more of them. I'm not one for buying 4 boxes of the same thing, so my armies tend to be varied and acutely costed in points...so any points adjust usually throws everything out of whack and becomes a maths lesson in making numbers fit into 2000 lol. I dunno...points adjustments seem to be a low level quick fix which gets far too much emphasis for updates.
I mean... addition is the simplest and most basic form of math. If you can't add to 2,000 then you have issues beyond this game.
@@kingoglow2186 Now now, don't be rude...or at the very least dense.
Tyranids:
Unbending swarm either needs repeatable swarm units stratagems back or have the Endless Swarm stratagem in it. The detachment is handicapped on one unit being spawned back.
Crusher Stampede: Honestly, I think survivability might be the thing here, but I literally haven’t bothered to use it because none of the abilities I feel help objective control or how hard they should hit I guess.
Assimilation Swarm. More units need to have the keyword. 4 units I think only have the keyword, which makes no sense.
Chaos knight army rule chaos knight army rule chaos knight army rule chaos knight army rule chaos knight army rule
What i want for the game is the return of wargear costs and the force organisation chart.
What i wanna see for the 3 armies i play;
Necrons: really want our pre codex reanimation rules. One D6 or a D3+3 with a leader. Tyranids should NOT have better reanimation than fucking cyborgs. Give the triarch praetorians the ability to be lead by a noble, and make that noble the overlord with translocation shroud. He has no use being around immortals/warriors/lychguard. What he does can already be augmented with the normal overlord with a cryptek. Make the TLO able to lead praetorians and suddenly obesience phalanx becomes a SCARY detachment.
Chaos Space Marines: for the love of god across the board i need AP. Its ridiculous to me that my battle line Legionaires have 0AP on their bolters. Honestly happy with everything else, i can work with whats there. Dark pact and just a single AP to show these are the corrupted but equally as devastating space marines makes both lore sense and tabletop sense.
Space Marines: ive been slowly phasing my salamanders out and replacing them with Carcharodons. I have almost all Gravis and Phobos as a theme for what im collecting. I need a way to transport 10 Heavy Intercessors up to an objective and unless i run the 700point thunderhawk gunship, im shit outta luck. Ideally, since i can take 10 heavy intercessors, i would like a way to transport said 10 heavy intercessors. On top of that, the reivers need some desperate help. Theyre honestly fine until they hit melee combat. 3 or 4 attacks (cant remember) S4 Dmg 1 with precision, but no AP? You mean the guys who are terror troops carrying knives specifically designed to cut the throat of enemy leadership cant pierce through armor? Id be ecstatic if they got just a simple AP1 to their combat knives. Besides, SM2 is a thing and everyone loves zipping around in the va guard class. At least make them seem as cool as they are in SM2.
Honestly, the best way to FIX Codex Marines versus Divergent is to create one more selection at army creation. Select a gene father, each gene father grants specific categories of Units one free Strategem pert turn. Example: Imperial Fists - Once per turn, a Tacticus unit can use Overwatch for free; White Scars - Once per turn, a unit with the Mount keyword can Move, Shoot, Advance, and Charge; Raven Guard - Once per Turn, a phobos unit can Rapid Ingress for Free; Salamanders - Once per turn, Any Unit can use Heroic Intervention for Free; Ultra Marines - Can use Grenades once per turn for free. These are little underwhelming cause I only spent 3 minutes thinking about it. Another choice is a unique Trait for each First Founding gene sire; something like Khan chapters get an extra 2" movement for all Mounted and Fly units; Dorn - All bolter get an additional 2" range or Infantry always count as stationary when firing weapons; Vulkan - Flamer Weapons gain a MW mechanic; Corax - All 3+ Armor units have Scout; Roboute - Improved Leadership (since they already get all the best Epic Characters). Lastly, they could each get a signature unit and/or Force Org Change. Khan - Mounted Units get Keyword Battleline, Stormcaller Librarian on Jet Bike; Vulkan - Flamer Uints as Battleline, Melta based Unit with Jump Packs similar to Suppressors; Ferrous - Techmarines are Battleline, a Thunderfire Cannon or Rapier equivalent but worth using; Roboute - Can take Sternguard as Battleline; A Centurion Variant; Corax - Phobos Units are Battleline, A Unit worthy of the Reiver Models' appearance; Dorn - Centurions as Battleline, A Siege Terminator variant... Just thoughts, would love feedback
Why nerf armies on the basis of guys winning tournaments? Maybe focus on particular problems within the faction (I have guard by the way)
Give space marine chapters more unique abilities. Make a model thats just "Chapter Master", give it a sprue with a bunch of different available poses and weapons. Then let the player choose bonus' depending on origin decisions.
Deathworld Recruitment : Gets an additional 1-3 wounds
Imperial Homeworld : Ballistic/Weapon Skill +1
VoidBorn Recruitment : Psyker units gain Weapon Skill +1. Chapter master gets psychic attacks
ETC. At this point, we gotta just Grab a captain/LT and say "This is our chapter master" while Jimmy across the table drops a primarch and says "Lmao"
I truly believe they need to make it just an FAQ that if a player uses any units that are divergent chapter specific, they must use detachments from that chapter’s codex.
Honestly, for Beast Snagga detachment, I feel like you could update the prey rule to have some sort of range where the rule gets less restrictive:
If a vehicle, monster or warlord within 18' of any ork unit, must elect one of those.
If none within that range, then must elect a character led or mounted unit within 18'
Otherwise, may elect any eligble unit as prey.
Feel like that makes it feel less useful against certain factions, while still giving some counterplay with the mechanic. Totally lore friendly for a smarter faction to use a 'decoy' vehicle to force the declaration that way.
“If your [divergent chapter] army contains units with the [divergent chapter] keyword, you may not choose a detachment listed in Codex Space Marines if the faction has a Codex Supplement. Instead, you must choose a detachment specified in your faction’s Codex Supplement.”
Make all the Primarchs, greater Daemons, Gaz, cost 450+ points and worth it.
Looks like everyone has a personal wish list. As a Ravenwing player and die hard Company of Hunters detachment user, I have my fingers crossed that they do something for Outriders, Blacknights, or to improve the CoH stratagems.
I’d love to see some better reactive items, or something like ride hard ride fast from Stormlance. Not a lot of incentive to use CoH over Gladius right now.
As an AdMech fan, I hope they increase the points costs of our units 20% across the board, and adjust their datasheets to justify that higher cost. Our kits are too expensive to be a horde army. Of course that isn't going to happen, so more realistically here are some things I hope they actually do:
- Make the Cybernetica Datasmith a required model for a unit of bots, change the bots move back to 8", and get rid of all the extra verbiage surrounding adding the datasmith to the bots unit as a leader. Don't increase the cost of a unit of bots more than 20pts to compensate for this. I'm fine if the datasmith isn't a LoneOp and can be sniped out of the unit to mess with the ability to change modes.
- Add something to the Cohort Cybernetica detachment rule that affects more than just bots. Maybe a generic +1 to armor saves for units within 3" of an AdMech vehicle or something. I don't really care what, but the detachment rule only affecting a single datasheet is not good.
- Make sure that at least two stratagems in each detachment can be used generically on any AdMech unit. Don't lock every strat in to the detachments favored sub-faction keyword, or restrict them to a priority objective in the case of Explorator. Most of our detachments simply can't affect enough units and need to have additional generic capability in them that isn't will work on anything in the army.
- If completely rewriting it isn't an option, give Explorator Maniple two priority objectives by default.
- Drop the max number of Ironstriders/Dragoons in a unit from 3 down to 2, and adjust the weapon stat lines to get them up to around 80-90ppm. The durability on these units is appropriate, but they need enough damage output to justify a significantly higher points cost. This includes the Radium Jezzail carrying version of the Dragoon. That gun will probably need significant help to get the unit above meme-tier. The model kit is too expensive to be bringing as many as we can right now.
A very simple change to make Kastelans more of a flavor choice doing 2 things.
1. Give them the army rule. So they function in other detachments.
2. In cybernetica cohort give them the battleline keyword. 6 groups of bots is a meme, but Admech is the ONLY army where battleline shares buffs to its other units (breacher rerolls, ruststalker +2 advance and charge, pteraxii shootnscoot, the army rule itself). Its the only army where having battleline nearby does more than just having more OC on the point.
Another thought on Knights (both imperial and Chaos) is with the big knights big bases and the terrain dense layouts of WTC boards it is difficult to move the big one around which would add to the reluctance to include them in lists.
I've never been this early! I can't wait for the new Preview Reveal show though, I NEED TO SEE THE KRIEG!
Early for what?
@@d-rex7043 the video
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I wish my Necrons didn't have every player running Hypercrypt since the constant nerfs are negatively nerfing our other detachments. I noticed that other factions such as the new Angelic Host that have the same playstyle such as Hypercrypt but are only allowed to take infantry back into reserves. I think Hypercrypt should have something similar based on their lore which is having infantry phasing onto the battlefield as well as Monoliths. Also, I hate that GW is allowing C'tan spam which is also nerfing are other armies. It feels silly and OP that Hypercrypt can place Doomsday Arks, and other large vehicles and GW ended up increasing the cost of Monoliths from 350 up tp 400. They also increased the Tesseract Vault up to 425 points and the Silent King is still extremely expensive. Over all its been a negative play experience for Necron players as well as the factions playing against Hypercrypt. Nobody Warriors after their D6 Renaimation was educed down to a D3 and the Reanimator had its aura reduced to crazy low 3". Warriors had their 12" Gauss Reaper with 2 attacks Str reduced down to 4 from 5. Guass Flayers need a change siiliar to Gauss Blasters which had rapidfire1 taken away for 2 shots at 24". CUrrently there is still no reason for Warriors to use Flayers unless they gave it 2 Shots at 24" and keep their AP at 0.
The number of units Crypteks used to be able to join was originally 3 and hen GW reduced thier unit list so they can only join battle line which is baiscally just Immortals because of the current situation with Warriors. But then they allowed the Tachnomancer to join Wraiths which recreated the same durability issues when all Crypteks were able to join Lychguard despite the fact it was just the Technomancer combined with a Noble and Cryptothralls. No reason to restrict the other Crypteks.
Still feels odd that the Catacomb command Barge doesn't have the Noble Keyword. Its getting kind of frustrating that the same models from 9th edition ere over nerfed which made them rarely see play and its happening again. ALso would be nice if the CTan made from fine cast finally got the proper resculpts since they looks pretty silly when standing next ot the Void Dragon.
9th edition only allowed 1 C'tan due to the fact they are angry enslaved star gods and would never unleash multiple CTan shardes onto the battlefield since it becomes too difficult to maintain control which could end up creating a scenario where multiple Shardes begin to attack both sides while also altering the very fabric if reality. Even Eldar are restricted to taking either the Avatar of Khaine or the Avatar of Ynead.
Ultimately I would love to see the Necrons internal balance fixed so other detachments are viable and see some of the other nerfs undone or at least fix some of the over corrections to units such as Cryptothralls by giving them a minor buff such as Pistol on their 6" gun which has no special rules and reduce their points. Give the Reanimator a 6" Aura or design a rule that allows him to temporarily increase its aura.
wow imagine complaining this much about having multiple detachment when some of us like the Tsons are stuck playing the same army rules
Annihilation legion needs A LOT of love, would love fighty boys to punch up to Blood Angels and Dark Eldar.
I recently played a 1k narrative follow up game where I used 3 c'tan but the idea that they were used out of spite to wipe out the city, should have home-brewed a rule where the player can loose control of them :D .
Good arguments on some key units. I too would like annihilation legion to be more interesting as well
Fix Necrons internal balance please. Too large a gap between the good and bad units.
Agreed, and either give the Monolith an inbuilt invuln, or increase it’s durability.
My beloved triarch praetorians... God they still suck
Space Marines and Agents both need a significant number of new/rewritten rules to make them worthwhile. GW just isn't the type to make changes on that scale (unless there's a mechanic they want to nerf into oblivion). Despite the new Balance Dataslate, I expect to see only the laziest numeric tweaks to existing rules.
What I'd like to see:
- Agents get an actual army rule, which gives powerful new abilities to Characters so Inquisitors feel appropriately important. Agents can include IG, SM, or SoB units as Allies
- Ordo Xenos gains unlimited Space Marine Allies, which also gain the Deathwatch keyword.
- Change the Space Marine Chapters rule to give an additional Codex keyword to non-divergent chapters. Each detachment gets unique rules to leverage that keyword (e.g. more valid targets for Codex 1st Company Task Force strats, Codex Anvil Siege Force gets a little extra mobility, etc)
What I'm expecting:
- Nerf Agents but pretend it's a buff
- Black Spear Task Force returns but all of the unique Deathwatch datasheets remain in Agents of the Imperium and must be taken as Allies
- Numeric buffs for all Codex Space Marine Epic Heroes and nothing else. The press release is condescending about people with non-keyword chapters or who don't want to play herohammer
I think i have a fairly decent idea of how to fix Assimilation Swarm for Tyranids.
I would just somply tweak a little in their detachement rules, so their healing would be so lacklustered.
One model in that unit regains up to D3 lost wounds.
*"If that unit is a harvester unit, you heal 3 wounds instead of D3".*
One destroyed INFANTRY model (excluding CHARACTERS) is returned to that unit with its full wounds remaining.
If that unit is an ENDLESS MULTITUDE unit, up to *"D3+3"* destroyed models are returned instead.
Maybe there would need to be some changes to 1 or 2 enhancements too, but for the start i think that this change could be enough.
Honestly, Orks need a rework. At least their detachments. It's sad that I know I am wasting points when I bring my Speed Freaks.
I just want a Kult of Speed overhaul and buggies that don't suck for the amount of space they take up.
I think a lot of their stuff is fine, but stuff like Tank Bustas and buggies need a full datasheet rework. And make the DeffDread tougher.
@@Kingofdragons117 I've been playing with the buggies for a long time and they are too expensive for what they do and how huge their base size is.
several month ago when their codex came out wasn't it labeled as the best codex ever? What happened?
Pre-codex release there were rumours kicking around that the Buggies had abilities that activated in the Waaagh! turn, but obviously that didn't make it to publication. As well as the datasheets being weak, it's a real problem that KoS essentially doesn't have an army rule to support it. Having an Army rule that only works for one turn of a five-turn game is rough, but having nothing at all is diabolical.
Shot in the dark, but I wish the Admech army rule would receive some small tweaks. Currently, it just doesn't feel how it should, and most armies rock conqueror all game until you need to kill a horde or take down a tank.
I prefer protector myself having my 18 breachers hitting on 2+ rerolling for lethal is insanely strong dont get me wrong conqueror is strong for the ap and assault buff but only half the army benefits 100% from it where as protector benefits nearly 95%
You know a codex is bad when it’s not even to play casually.
Imperial Agents truly is a modern GW codex.
I’d like DW remake to at least feel fluffy. Not just “only infantry”
Well they can adjust the core Sm detachments for especific keywords. Make em more theme related. Make a boost for every core SM keyword for their related detachment. Example: Every SM faction can play all of the core detachments, but if you play gladius with an army that have the SM keyword ULTRAMARINES you get and extra buff like reroll the wound in the oath or something theme related, same case for Anvil, vanguard, ironstorm and their related chapter key words (imperial fists, raven guard, iron hands...etc) So you can play dark angels gladius but you cant acces that benefit bcause you dont have the ultramarine keyword or you can play irosntorm as ultramrines but you cant access the buff cause you dont have the iron hands keyword. Make the deatchment rule have a boost rule locked behind an army faction keyword, and with this you can limit the tipe of strong characters you can bring to the table (Marneus, Azrael, The lion, Guilliman, Dante...etc)
And if you have your succesor chapter you can call what chapeter is the founder and can use their boost and miniatures in their respective detachment
DA changes I would like to see:
Lion El’ Jonson, Librarians, and Phobos Librarians gain DEATHWING keyword.
Belial: Sword of Silence gains ANTI-CHARACTER 2+ and +1 to AP characteristic. Change Grandmaster of the Deathwing ability to critical hits gain Lethal Hits instead of Precision, bump points up to reflect these changes.
Lazarus: Add Rites of Battle ability and change Spiritshield Helm to Wargear Ability that gives his unit 4+ FNP against Psychic attacks and Mortal Wounds. increase his points cost.
Add 1 to the damage characteristic of the Plasma Storm Battery on the Land Speeder Vengeance and bump the points up to 130-140.
Inner Circle Task Force: Change detachment wording to read: Each time a DEATHWING INFANTRY or MONSTER unit from your army makes an attack that targets a unit within range of one or more of your Vowed objective markers, add 1 to the Wound roll.
Inner Circle Task Force: change Eye of the Unseen enhancement to read: At the end of any charge phase, each enemy character unit within engagement range of the bearer’s unit must take a battle shock test. In addition, if the bearer’s unit is within range of a Vowed Objective, then until the end of the turn it gains the Fights First ability.
Inner Circle Task Force: change Wrath of the Lion stratagem to read:
WHEN: Your Charge phase.
TARGET: One DEATHWING unit from your army that advanced this turn.
EFFECT: Until the end of the turn, that unit is eligible to declare a charge and while that unit is within range of a Vowed Objective add 1 to the AP characteristic of melee weapons equipped by that unit.
Hoping they don’t touch imperial knights too much
For space marines divergent chapters can’t take the detachments from the codex. Also buff detachments for the chapter they were designed for.
I would like to see unending swarm get some love, it's my personal favorite bug detachment. Do I expect to see changes? No, but I would like to, as right now playing that detachment is essentially handing your opponent a free win.
if DW allies can use the Astartes keyword i can see the problem with DW being taken with divergent chapters and other chapters.
imagine BA but now with DW units as well.
so if made this way it should be like an index where they are DW only and no other chapter.
BA will never use DW units because they are to slow XD
As much as I want them to do some edits to tyranids, the bug roster is pretty good all things considered. The detachment rule for crusher stampede needs to be more changes, give more units the harvester key word, allow tyranids to use the unending waves stratagem at least a few times in a game.
As for unit changes, buff the Norns please. They are supposed to be the factions big knight equivalent, and they do not feel like a knight equivalent.
Personally I also would wish that Tyranid warriors get an increase to their survivability. Just giving them a 3+ save would greatly increase their staying power.
We need more anti-tank outside exocrines. Tfex is good, but only 2 shots and Zoans just die to a stiff breeze. Maybe stronger melee vs tanks?
Greyfax is one of the stronger characters in the IA codex. Attach her to an Exaction squad with medic, webber, and a grenade launcher, and you can delete most daemon characters easily due to the Anti-psyker ability she gives to their ranged weapons.
Havent started the video. But i would love a rule on all the (non ultra marine) epic characters granting a army wide boost to something specific.
For example
whitescare guy gives "nonmonster / vehicle units gain 2in movement characteristics"
Fist give "heavy weapons get +1 bs"
It's worth noting the relative difference between codex marines and divergent chapter win rates is at least partially due to player base migration. The players with inherently higher win rates tend to shift to the better chapters as the meta changes, leaving behind the single chapter diehards. Codex marines losing their top players to divergent chapters will drop their average win rate regardless of how strong the faction is.
I think for Necrons Annihilation Legion they should emphasize their vision for it of blasting enemies with Lokhust and then following up with the melee destroyers.
Something like in addition to the charge buffs, Destroyer Cult unit ranged weapons have +1S and AP but if they shoot they are not eligible to charge.
SM fixes
Army rule buff for playing a codex compliant list. eg getting to pick to re-roll wounds or hits with OoM or plus 1 to wound, maybe a list of options to pick from for flavour.
Bonus for chapters playing their detachment - each detachment may list a number of chapters that get that bonus and those bonus's may include additional enhancements or rules.
First company detachment needs a glow up and not being chapter specific can work as the general detachment.
Terminators need a buff to firepower as they can't come down much more but they don't have the punch for the points investment - eg stormbolters get twin linked. (Although an appropriate glowup on First company may resolve that)
Or lock divergent chapters out of core codex detachments; they have their own detachments that can be balanced on their own merits. Take Oath of Moment away from divergent chapters and give them their own distinct army rules.
Now GW can balance all the space marine armies independent of one another in terms of units and points.
The best way would be to do points for detachment. Not all of the units need to be listed but something like in liberator assault group for BA jump pack intercessors and DC cost +10 points or in Vanguard Ventris and Devastator Centurions cost +10 points. In this way you only have to adjust the most/two most spammed units in that detachment from a balancing point of view and you don’t have units that are either ok everywhere and broken in one detachment or shit everywhere and only playable in one detachment.
For Variant Marines, if they buffed/balanced the 3 codex detachments, I wouldn’t be against the rule of choosing that faction locks you into only those 3 choices.
I think the company is honestly getting better and better with their points updates and their rules changes. They have a lot of ground to cover, but they seem to be going in the right direction. And having these updates every 6 months feels like a decent thing.
Yes, I would like them more often. But with their recent track record, I think I can be hopeful for the next update.
There must something that boosts the detachment only if taking one of your named characters. Maybe if you field Tor Garradon: nominate one unit, this unit weapons gains heavy keyword and count as stationary. Otherwise Ultramarines will still be the best codex marines in any detachment
man i just want warlord traits and relics to come back 9th was a bit of a mess in terms of the amount of rules and useless strategems but 10th is a lil too meta for me
1) outright ban divergent chapters with their own codex from using the core detachments.
2) Massive points increase if using divergent chapters with core detachments.
3) Return pre 10th chapter tactics for core codex chapters when using their themed detachment.
Any one of these options would be a major fix to Space Marines. I'd rather the return of chapter tactics over just kneecapping blood angels and dark Angels but I'd take it if it means I didn't have to suffer alone.
Alright everyone, remember nerfs do mostly not affect you.
Unless you're in the case of a post-codex GC player that had his army somehow turned into even more of a fodder army than skaven is in AoS.
As a Cohort Cybernetica Ad Mech player. I know it is highly unlikely but I would love a little bit more help for my Kastelan Robots. Either a bit more movement or a little bit lower cost.
I've never liked the idea* having to take an epic character to get specific benefits. The divergent chapters don't have to. It feels like a tax, and it could involve taking a character that doesn't help your battle plan. I believe it would be healthier to allow people the option of paying something like 10-20 points to adopt the chapter keyword associated with their detachment, granting them bonuses for having that keyword. It could even be set up like an enhancement but one that applies to the army rather than a character. Or hell, why not: if it seems like the better choice for the sake of balance then by all means tie it to a character like any other enhancement. This would also naturally mean you get those bonuses for taking one of the epic characters with that chapter keyword without having to pay the tax listed in the detachment. To me that feels fair since you're already paying for the cost of the character.
Ehhh. If you're playing DA you're out of your mind if you don't play Azrael.
@@basteala525 Right I'd agree with you, but you still don't have to take him to play Dark Angels if you don't want to. If he was required to be in your army list to play DA then I wouldn't like that because while he is strong enough for people to want to use him now he might not be in the future. If you were required to take Azreal in your list in order to play DA and he got nerfed to a point where people don't want to take him then you have effectively nerfed the faction as a whole because they have to take a points tax in the form of a character that has become dead weight and wasted points in their army.
would like to see a few more stormsurges, maybe a 15-20pt drop. even with the points increase lists are riptide heavy
To be fair, Riptides are used for a different purpose than Stormsurges. Riptides damage is kinda ass for the points, it's just they're one of our few units that are actually somewhat durable and fast enough to yeet at an objective.
@tinker1945 true it’s still over costed due to our army rule. how about a compromise so that one pathfinder unit can be the observer for the storm surge on two different targets
@@tinker1945 Agree. I was fine with Riptides at 180 but 190 is just too much.
@@garyoneill5648 I think they just need to make the Stormsurge ignore the debuff from splitting fire.
@@tinker1945 that would be a game changer and then it would be worth the points.
Assault ramps on Storm ravens is all i ask
Been wanting to build a salamanders list. Interested to see what happens
Even with a buff to taking Shrike for a vanguard list its still gonna be hard to actually justify him and balance Ravenguard or Imperial fist or honestly any of the other chapters really over just running most any of the detatchments as Ultramarines due to their unit strength and the sheer options they have. And thats with ignoring the fact that Gladius is already the top tier detachment, so giving UM a buff if they use it will honestly probably create an even greater disparity between the subfactions within Codex Marines. The best and honestly easiest option is just removing tbe divide between the chapters in Codex Marines so that we can at least use any combination of our unique units at a time. It would help draw players back to it as opposed to divergent chapters and would make trying to balance the characters easier due to actually being able to see some of them on more tables when they aren't restricted to being played by themselves
I'd like to see Mont'ka get a buff for T'au. There are sixteen T'au armies going into the World Champions tournament this weekend and only one of them is Mont'ka. (No Kroot pack lists either, but they just got points cuts.) Everything else is either Kauyon or RetCad.
Exactly what that buff would be without ruining the detachment's core identity, I don't know.
Need to add like two more death watch infantry (terminators and another squad type), deathwatch land raider and add a army rule for imperial agents.
Should be able go run deathwatch with either space marines or imperial agents.
The rest of the Imperial agents detachments really want you focus on basically making sisters or grey knights with some arbities in as fodder.
The sisters detachment rule one atleast works with the arbites, but the grey knights is either them or Draxus.
Need more sisters/grey knight unit's (like one or two each) to give more variety. But keep the current reinforcement rules to the current squads.