@@JesusChrist-qi4ti pokemon size in the games are weird in ORAS groudon base form is as big enough to carry a child on his back but on the field dude is half the size of a child
I hastily imported all of my legendaries from my previous pokemon games, the instant I saw Archie send out Kyogre. Though all I had were my Primal Kyogre from ORAS and my Yveltal from Y.
Quick fan theory on why the gba versions of archie and maxie came back. If you watched the pokemon generations it shows oras archie/maxie getting killed by their respective legendaries... the gba versions of these villains are because they accomplished their agendas without needing primal reversion
Understandable Have a great day however in the GBA game's neither archie or maxie where successful in controlling the cover legendaries ergo they where unable to complete their goals and if I remember correctly neither Archie or maxie where killed in ORAS.
Think about this, all of the rainbow rocket admins are from timelines where we failed, just think about that for a second Team rocket controls kanto and johto Team aqua flooded the world Team magma dryed up the earth Team galactic created a new universe Team plasma basically caused the separation of pokemon and humans And team flare nuked the world Man that's kinda dark to think about
Wait isn't it a bit weird how if either Magma or Aqua won, then what happened to the opposite side of their individual universes? Did the other Magma and Aqua organizations perish from the flood and drought?
Who’s to say they won’t pull this stuff again? I would love to fight all the evil teams throughout the whole game stopping them from what they did to their world to our world. And throw a twist in it. Have all the admins participate in Gym Battles to become the new Champion and Elite 4 so they show who’s really dominant and make their aces a Legendary.
Problem is, there was too much added nuance and characterization for multiple characters and lore that make it impossible for the ORAS versions to appear. - ORAS Tabitha and Shelly being their conscience and voice of reason - Delta Episode showing that they were just corrupted AND being manipulated by someone else to begin with, and nearly went completely overboard were it not for their consequences and the above admins. Doesn't absolve them of their crimes, of course, but they're still no longer twisted enough to even agree to Giovanni's plan. More likely, they would have joined YOU against Rainbow Rocket. It's not like the ORAS versions being hated is the reason they're not here, but the way ORAS was written, they could only use the nuance-deficient GBA versions. IT WOULD have been nice for the ORAS versions to show up (since USUM takes place long after ORAS) to help out, maybe even confront their more villainous-selves.
This one sounds more "vanilla" than the ORAS one. You can tell it was remixed directly from the RSE version, which is fitting since these are the original Archie and Maxie and not the ones from the remake.
Each and every one of these villain themes tells of their success in their alternate universe. Lysandre, Ghetsis ones especially. Very dark. I have goosebumps listening to those. I love it.
They also have dialogue that hints they were about to die despite succeeding in their plans. Archie got hit with a wave or something, Maxie fell in a fissure, Lysandre was hit with a beam of light from the Ultimate Weapon, and Cyrus was being dragged into the distortion world by Giratina. The only one who actually succeeded was Ghetsis, who decided to travel the multiverse to take over other dimensions.
Fucking hell, this rendition is AWESOME. All the extra touches - the intro, the new supporting melodies, the sci - fi blips and bloops, they just make it so satisfying to listen to. I like this one better than ORAS honestly.
People hate on this theme nowadays, but I think it is absolutely perfect in context. Like, these guys basically just told you that their actions wiped out humanity, and that they're going to do it again, so no wonder the theme sounds so corrupted and eerie.
I've been wondering if Maxie and Archie really did succeed the way they intended. (veeeeery long post below) They say that the last thing they remember before being pulled into Team Rainbow Rocket is being engulfed by a fissure and a flood. That would imply that the calamities that occurred in Ruby/Sapphire when they awoke the legendary Pokémon still happened - meaning that their goals still backfired on them, but their worlds don't have the kind of kid who can quell the threat. We even see scenarios like this in Pokémon Generations - though for Team Magma's episode, it was just in that premonition that Courtney got out of the blue. On a similar note, Cyrus recalls a shadow looming over him when he was taken. Many see that as Giratina attempting to drag him into the Distortion World to stop his plan. Considering that Cyrus likely did dispose of the lake spirits in his reality, they wouldn't interfere, but in Platinum, they themselves couldn't stop him from controlling Dialga and Palkia. It was Giratina that broke his control there. We even see this exact thing happening in Pokémon Generations. Even without the lake spirits arriving, Giratina still comes, breaks the Red Chains, and steals away Cyrus. Still, Cyrus does find some solace in that the Distortion World IS the "ideal world" that he sought all this time. So even if this Cyrus didn't really rewrite his world, he would still likely find himself in his reality's Distortion World after Episode RR is done - and that may be good enough for him, I think. So really, I believe the only ones that succeeded as intended in their realities were Lysandre (consider that the Ultimate Weapon would have gone off if the player didn't make contact with Xerneas/Yveltal), Ghetsis (though the massive wound to his pride may undo him entirely when he returns home), and Giovanni.
Taylor Rhodes something that always bothered me about Ghetsis having the legendary dragons of Black and White, he shouldn’t. Ghetsis shouldn’t have them, only heroes believing in truth and ideals can wield them. It would make more sense for him to have black kyruem, or white kyruem, making it so that Ghetsis won with his plan in BW2. If the plan truly succeeds in black and white, then n should be here, as it’s only the MC’s influence that helps break him out of his mindset.
Since they were both brought from a world where they beat the other one, I genuinely wanted to see how their battle in this world would have played out...
I think it would honestly depend on which legendary came out first, if groudon gets a 1 turn solarbeam off idk if even kyogre could survive that let alone sharpedo, but conversely there's no way groudon or camerupt are taking out kyogre without the sun protecting them, so it would depend on how their other 4 did against each other
People are talking about the Rainbow Rocket versions of the leaders come from timelines where they succeed and how Lysander basically killed the entire Kalos region, but people don't realize that Archie and Maxie also destroyed the world in their timeline. For Maxie, he removed a lot of water, causing crops to die. And for Archie, again, no ground for crops to grow as well as people drowning.
TheLennyMoo !! because this Archie and Maxie are technically from another dimension so it makes sense that their themes sounds kinda alien, they are not from the current Pokemon universe
I'm so glad the OGs returned cause back when I was little these were the first villains I fought in Pokemon and seeing the OG design fills me with nostalgia
EeveeStar 682 same here. This one feels lacking to me. The Magma/Aqua Leader theme is one of my favorite ones, and this one is just... disappointing to me.
mostly the reason is these are leaders from dimensions where they ended up winning, so their music is markedly different then say Anabel's who IS the same exact GBA character.
Team Aqua and Magma didn’t even necessarily have bad intentions, they wanted to help their people master the land and sea...so everyone could live safer lives...heck Archie gave you a nickname, let’s you play hero, and by that point where Kyogre is about to be awakened...he’s having genuine fun battling you...I honestly feel like Maxie and Archie are the misunderstood people of Pokémon.
Giovanni - Up to this day, I don't have an idea of his real goal. Maxie - Expand the landmass for further human development and land pokemon to have more environment. Archie - Bring the sea to it's primal world ( or expand the sea) so that pokemon (Not specified if land or aquatic) will live in a utopia. Cyrus - He believes that emotions and spirit is weak and poisoning the world. He wants to create a new universe where spirit and emotions doesn't exist. Ghetsis - World domination, nuff said. Lysander - Reset Kalos (Not specified if it's world or not) for his idealized world. Lusamine - She's obssesed with the Ultra Beasts. (seriously lusamine ain't evil, she's just obssesed but got poisoned by Nihilego in the process.) Chairman Rose - Infinite supply of energy through galar, making him unleash the darkest day.
*Pokémon Generation came out with Remakes connected with Pokémon timeline* OG Archie and Maxie: Are we a joke to you? *Uno reverse card* *US/UM came out with OG Maxie and Archie* Remake Maxie and Archie: Are we a Joke to you?
I wanted to see ORAS Archie and Original Flavor Archie meet so bad. They'd get all freaked out n' shit then Original boi says hey the buff look looks really good on me and ORAS boi says yeah it really pays off with the ladies or something
Emerald. The first game I met these two in. About the most iconic battles of MY childhood, since Emerald was officially my first Pokémon game. But they couldn't keep up with Swampert. OR/AS. I see the nerdy madman and the fish wrestler once more, now spruced up and ready for round two more than ever. As hard as they tried, they still had nothing on Swampert. Finally, Ultra Moon. Meeting these two in Team RR's castle was a nostalgic rush I haven't felt in forever. I actually smiled when I found them. "Ready for Round 3, fellas?" And they almost got me this time, but nothing beats my bond with...you guessed it. Swampert.
I wonder if team rainbow rocket will make a comeback in the next Pokemon games. Except stronger than ever, for he and his brethren have learned about their past mistakes. What if in the next battle between these two, their Groundon and Kyogre can access to thier primal forms, and their Sharkpedo and Camerumpt are able to mega evolve. Now that will be a hell of a battle.
a whole essay up ahead explaining how the hell team rr is morbid Team RR was actually kind of unnerving to me... I mean, it's revealed by Maxie and Archie first that they were able to complete their plans in separate worlds, meaning that there's no sea in Maxie's world and no land in Archie's world, but they were soon transported to Alola. And that means the other villains also completed their plans. Meaning that Cyrus was able to destroy the previous world and create a new one in a different world, Ghetsis was able to freeze over Unova and rule over everyone in the region as the only team with Pokémon left in a different world, and Lysandre was able to make the world beautiful again with the Ultimate Weapon in a different world. And this was confirmed by Cyrus' dialogue after he's beaten: "...You need not worry, Rotom. I will not do anything to this world. I believe I should return to the perfect world I created." So they all come from different timelines I guess if you'd like to put it that way. But going back to Maxie and Archie, there's no way they could have done that if R/S/E went the same way even if the player character wasn't able to stop them, right? Well, I believe they're from the Sapphire Adventures Manga. What lead to me to believe this was that after the two leaders had been defeated, they saw each other in the main room, acting semi-aggressive and surprised to see each other there. And going back to the manga, Maxie died after Archie took the armor for himself, so I'm sure that was flipped around in another timeline where Archie died and Maxie took the armor. And what about Ghetsis with Colress? Well, it's even stated by the US/UM Colress that the Ghetsis in Team RR is not the one he's familiar with. US/UM is after B2/W2, so the US/UM Colress is actually just the same Colress from those past games. Team RR's Ghetsis is from the original B/W, hence the old design opposed to the new one. This leads me to believe that when N and the player confronted Ghetsis in the old castle, they both lost, and Ghetsis was able to harness the power of Zekrom and Reshiram to eliminate them and continue his plans of manipulating the people. I believe Colress would eventually turn on him, but if not, he went along with the plans to further his research. But if Colress did happen to turn on Ghetsis, it wouldn't end nicely. And with Giovanni? I'm not sure exactly. Team Rocket's goal is basically just to control every single Pokémon in the world and use them to their own benefits, and that goal can't really come to an end, so I'm thinking that they succeeded in starting, but they're not half way through yet, so they were able to round up the other villains to aid them and get the Aether Foundation's technology to do so. And of course, after Team RR was defeated, Giovanni noticeably says in the final cut scene: "Now…what new world shall I unleash my evil schemes upon…?" Arceus, I hope they come back in Sword and Shield, wouldn't that be something? Or maybe that new mobile game Pokémon Masters, that would be something.
Idk who's the most evil person there, I still think ghetsis though seeing as he wouldnt care to kill children, he didnt want to make the world a better place in their view like how Archie wanted more oceans for water pokemon and Maxie wanted more land for people and land pokemon. Even geovanni who had a crobat which means he actually cares for his pokemon. Hate u ghetsis.
GO is basically not a *real* Pokemon game if you know what I mean? I just hope that they come back some other time! I prefer RR over Team Yell tbh,, Plus, wow Gio, advertising in a game that we paid over $50 for? What a legend.
Oh God you're right - I just hope there's a better Team in the games...guess we'll find out when they're released. I was eagerly waiting for the new villain team but when this got released I was so disappointed. I really do hope there's a better, more threatening team than just a group of punks.
I *LOVED* this game SO MUCH! I got it close to the end of 2019, and I had so much fun! I'm really sad I lost my copy of Ultra Sun extremely early into 2020 ;-;
As one who first experienced Gen 3 in ORAS, can I just say that encountering these two in their original artwork iterations and being literally speechless that their Groudon and Kyogre didn't Primal Revert was _F U C K I N G J A R R I N G ._
Oh also for ppl complaining about the switch back in USUM, the original universe is the only one where they had a chance of winning. They could’ve in ORAS, but that’s a small chance because with the red and blue orbs the legendaries were wayyy too powerful for even them to control. Luckily for them, that didn’t happen in the originals, and they could control them easier. So that’s why they’re here
One of the only truly creative and original remixes of this theme I have heard. I'm not a big fan of all of your artistic choices, but can solidly say that this is truly a unique take on this song.
These dudes basically killed everyone in their world. (Archie drowned everyone except the people living on that log town probably, and for Maxie... Ya kinda need liquid water for life to exist.)
Maxie: I was a nerd in an alternate world?
Archie: I was black in an alternate world?
Nathan Alcantara You have no idea how much I laughed at the Archie one I'm still laughing 😂😂
Nathan Alcantara you sir earned a like.
Lol, I didn't think Archie was black. I always thought he was like hispanic or something.
Nathan Alcantara two Archie and Maxie how dare you! U calling me a nerd
ORAS Archie didn't look black at all wtf. He looked more Mexican or Arab than anything
“Maxie sent out Groudon...”
WAIT HOL UP
JAKKOB697 THE MADMAN ACTUALLY DID IT
loved how you could see how absolutely tiny groudon is because of maxie standing behind it
@@JesusChrist-qi4ti pokemon size in the games are weird in ORAS groudon base form is as big enough to carry a child on his back but on the field dude is half the size of a child
I hastily imported all of my legendaries from my previous pokemon games, the instant I saw Archie send out Kyogre. Though all I had were my Primal Kyogre from ORAS and my Yveltal from Y.
Hmm....
Quick fan theory on why the gba versions of archie and maxie came back. If you watched the pokemon generations it shows oras archie/maxie getting killed by their respective legendaries... the gba versions of these villains are because they accomplished their agendas without needing primal reversion
Understandable Have a great day however in the GBA game's neither archie or maxie where successful in controlling the cover legendaries ergo they where unable to complete their goals and if I remember correctly neither Archie or maxie where killed in ORAS.
Normal universe These guys come from a world where they succeeded.
DrakeTheRakeLord still isn't the same one's from the GBA, They may share appearances but they are not the GBA versions of Archie and maxie.
well i read the manga...
Understandable Have a great day YES I KNOW RIGHT
7.8/10
-No Trumpets
Willow R but this one is better
Willow R this is alola version not Hoen
This is not better, in my opinion.
Willow R *french horns
there was some background brass near the end of the chilling piano
Now they have three themes.... which is best?
1. OG
2. REMAKE
3. OG BUT WORMHOLES
Andrew Harris OG
OG with wormholes B O I
Remake
All 3. Leaning more towards remake though.
Remake
Maxie:Primal Groudon
Archie:Primal Kyogre
Brendan:Mega Rayquaza
Dark Swordsman dude fighting Brendan gives me goosebumps but fighting a Pokémon that’s too good for Uber tier in smog on will be super difficult
+Joe Bale yeah lol
Read the manga
Dark Swordsman Will you fight Brandon?
I think they won't have the primal form of kyogre/groudon
0:09-0:11 legendary Bells
0:26-0:49 drought theme overlay
0:56-1:01
1:08-1:11
heavy Rain theme underlay
Oh good lord you're *right.* That is so damn cool!
@@spritelady4669 ikr
INSANE
Think about this, all of the rainbow rocket admins are from timelines where we failed, just think about that for a second
Team rocket controls kanto and johto
Team aqua flooded the world
Team magma dryed up the earth
Team galactic created a new universe
Team plasma basically caused the separation of pokemon and humans
And team flare nuked the world
Man that's kinda dark to think about
Team plasma actually rules over the world but nevertheless it's still pretty dark
Team Skull stole a bus stop 😔
Fancy Hat the darkest part of it all...
Wait isn't it a bit weird how if either Magma or Aqua won, then what happened to the opposite side of their individual universes? Did the other Magma and Aqua organizations perish from the flood and drought?
Who’s to say they won’t pull this stuff again? I would love to fight all the evil teams throughout the whole game stopping them from what they did to their world to our world. And throw a twist in it. Have all the admins participate in Gym Battles to become the new Champion and Elite 4 so they show who’s really dominant and make their aces a Legendary.
Still prefer the Maxie & Archie on ORAS's side of Ultra Space, but still cool nonetheless
so manny of people hating Oras and IGN so whats the point.....Oras really??
if Oras Maxie and Archie was there they will destroyed the Alola region but lame
Problem is, there was too much added nuance and characterization for multiple characters and lore that make it impossible for the ORAS versions to appear.
- ORAS Tabitha and Shelly being their conscience and voice of reason
- Delta Episode showing that they were just corrupted AND being manipulated by someone else to begin with, and nearly went completely overboard were it not for their consequences and the above admins. Doesn't absolve them of their crimes, of course, but they're still no longer twisted enough to even agree to Giovanni's plan. More likely, they would have joined YOU against Rainbow Rocket.
It's not like the ORAS versions being hated is the reason they're not here, but the way ORAS was written, they could only use the nuance-deficient GBA versions.
IT WOULD have been nice for the ORAS versions to show up (since USUM takes place long after ORAS) to help out, maybe even confront their more villainous-selves.
That means there are to Archie and Maxie one in mega timeline hoenn and the ones that succeed in getting more land and water from og timeline
exactly why they didn't have their primal pokemon because in that universe primal were never a thing.
This moment when
Archie sends Kyogre
OMG HE DID IT!
POK2MON "SCREEEEEEEEEEE"
POK2MON yeah, that fucking scared me when Maxie throws out a groudon out of nowhere.
Are they primal
it's yo boi RALO no, thank god, they arent feom that dimension
His kyoger is pain ass....i read the manga of Archie what happened too him as Guile hideout..
2.2/10 too much heat
7.8/10 too much water
amyvitality66 *7.8
So a perfect 10 all around?
amyvitality66 RSE Archie don't like more water he likes water but he hates water and more and less...
a Damn cat uhm, no, it's ten
Goku Son oh, right, nevermind, I was an idiot again.
OH
MY
GOD.
Seriously listening to the good old trumpets being replaced by techno bass and piano fucking DOES something to me, and I ain't arguing
ChaseDaMLGLord Gaming eh
DUBSTEP BITCH!!!~
ChaseDaMLGLord Gaming yeah but damn techno and pianos almost beat trumpets
Looks neat for me
seeing Maxie without his glasses and Archie without the dark skin in 3D makes me semi uncomfortable
Congrats!
They successfully white washed Archie lmao
@@AliRoRo_ bruh how thats his og look
@@mageyboi4797 joke.
@@teammagmasmaxie6107, where’s the mega glasses
At first, I hated this theme, but now it really has grown on me and I love it.
It’s very noticeable that it has a lack of trumpets
@@obama_man9933 true...but I love it either way.
As RSE was my first generation, I cannot tell you much nostalgia I felt just fighting these two.
Then they sent out legends and I screamed
The Best trainer legend battle after N
Not sure if I prefer it over other versions, but it really does fit my image of what a “Rainbow Rocket Remix” would sound like.
True I still prefer the RSE and ORAS version to this one, though USUM is perfectly serviceable.
Pyron I feel the same. The theme in ORAS is perfect
This one sounds more "vanilla" than the ORAS one. You can tell it was remixed directly from the RSE version, which is fitting since these are the original Archie and Maxie and not the ones from the remake.
But there are no trumpets!
Pokeli, you're just planning to blow up my notifications so that I won't sleep, are you?
9 video will be available + Mashup
I rest my case. I'm not even tired, my heart is beating for this hype and it's one in the morning here.
Dude let me sleep
Nick Macias I don't think that'll happen. He pinned my comment lol
I AM A MAN, HALF HUMAN
No sleeping ever
Pokeli: *No thanks. Instead, listen to EPIC POKÈMON MUSIC!!! AHAHAHAHAHA!*
DrakeTheRakeLord accent is the wrong way on the E (supposed to be É)
Favorite part @ 1:12 - 1:23 and they completely nailed it, sounds like something out of an action movie
SilentSlime how amazing would it be to see a Pokémon movie where the plot is just the same as episode RR?
SilentSlime
Michel Zwiers
I just want RR to appear in the anime tbh. Would be pretty much the best thing ever to exist.
Raptor Charly agreed, but a movie based on it would be amazing too.
Safwanullah Khan Don't spam. Why did someone actually like your meaningless, pointless comment?
Each and every one of these villain themes tells of their success in their alternate universe. Lysandre, Ghetsis ones especially. Very dark.
I have goosebumps listening to those. I love it.
@Low xang yen I have to agree!
They also have dialogue that hints they were about to die despite succeeding in their plans. Archie got hit with a wave or something, Maxie fell in a fissure, Lysandre was hit with a beam of light from the Ultimate Weapon, and Cyrus was being dragged into the distortion world by Giratina. The only one who actually succeeded was Ghetsis, who decided to travel the multiverse to take over other dimensions.
@@epicphantom589 yes
If inevitable scarlet and violet dlc has team rainbow rocket return, imagine what it would be like with Volo and Rose
@@jockson7574 Volo, Rose and Lusamine
The ORAS version fits Archie very well. I feel like this does it well for Maxie.
Ember the Flareon it gets so much... 🤔
Nerd Maxie was hot though
Fucking hell, this rendition is AWESOME. All the extra touches - the intro, the new supporting melodies, the sci - fi blips and bloops, they just make it so satisfying to listen to. I like this one better than ORAS honestly.
It sounds pretty nice but I disagree. In my personal opinion nothing can beat that bass drop in the ORAS version
Good to see the original Archie and Maxie designs get some love.
Hell yeah, I love the original Maxie!
Granny Maxie and Uncool Archie? Nah.
no rse Archie haters...
say what? you call him uncool ??rse Archie plans was brilliant he was smarter maxie's plans..
DrakeTheRakeLord Still better than nerdy granny Maxie and tryhard BDSM Archie
WHERE ARE MY FRENCH HORNS REEEEEEE
They got lost somewhere in the Ultra Wormhole
Slt mec 👌👌
No love for us French horns... Good thing I know trumpet!
Nitro exactly
Nitro oh im sorry this Alola version not Hoen we are not in Hoen oops im sorry Fufufu... original Maxie laugh:
People hate on this theme nowadays, but I think it is absolutely perfect in context. Like, these guys basically just told you that their actions wiped out humanity, and that they're going to do it again, so no wonder the theme sounds so corrupted and eerie.
I've been wondering if Maxie and Archie really did succeed the way they intended.
(veeeeery long post below)
They say that the last thing they remember before being pulled into Team Rainbow Rocket is being engulfed by a fissure and a flood. That would imply that the calamities that occurred in Ruby/Sapphire when they awoke the legendary Pokémon still happened - meaning that their goals still backfired on them, but their worlds don't have the kind of kid who can quell the threat. We even see scenarios like this in Pokémon Generations - though for Team Magma's episode, it was just in that premonition that Courtney got out of the blue.
On a similar note, Cyrus recalls a shadow looming over him when he was taken. Many see that as Giratina attempting to drag him into the Distortion World to stop his plan. Considering that Cyrus likely did dispose of the lake spirits in his reality, they wouldn't interfere, but in Platinum, they themselves couldn't stop him from controlling Dialga and Palkia. It was Giratina that broke his control there. We even see this exact thing happening in Pokémon Generations. Even without the lake spirits arriving, Giratina still comes, breaks the Red Chains, and steals away Cyrus.
Still, Cyrus does find some solace in that the Distortion World IS the "ideal world" that he sought all this time. So even if this Cyrus didn't really rewrite his world, he would still likely find himself in his reality's Distortion World after Episode RR is done - and that may be good enough for him, I think.
So really, I believe the only ones that succeeded as intended in their realities were Lysandre (consider that the Ultimate Weapon would have gone off if the player didn't make contact with Xerneas/Yveltal), Ghetsis (though the massive wound to his pride may undo him entirely when he returns home), and Giovanni.
Archie, Maxie, and Cyrus had to succeed. Why else would they have the legendary in their party
Ember the Flareon they succeeded too
@Ember the Flareon worse is that Ghetsis killed N.
Taylor Rhodes something that always bothered me about Ghetsis having the legendary dragons of Black and White, he shouldn’t. Ghetsis shouldn’t have them, only heroes believing in truth and ideals can wield them. It would make more sense for him to have black kyruem, or white kyruem, making it so that Ghetsis won with his plan in BW2. If the plan truly succeeds in black and white, then n should be here, as it’s only the MC’s influence that helps break him out of his mindset.
@@Avghistorian77 Well, it *is* heavily implied that Ghetsis was planning to betray N, kill him, and then take the throne of Unova for himself
Since they were both brought from a world where they beat the other one, I genuinely wanted to see how their battle in this world would have played out...
I think it would honestly depend on which legendary came out first, if groudon gets a 1 turn solarbeam off idk if even kyogre could survive that let alone sharpedo, but conversely there's no way groudon or camerupt are taking out kyogre without the sun protecting them, so it would depend on how their other 4 did against each other
whoever made sure to keep their legendary at lvl 99
People are talking about the Rainbow Rocket versions of the leaders come from timelines where they succeed and how Lysander basically killed the entire Kalos region, but people don't realize that Archie and Maxie also destroyed the world in their timeline. For Maxie, he removed a lot of water, causing crops to die. And for Archie, again, no ground for crops to grow as well as people drowning.
Cyrus also just deleted the entire world
Team flare has quite a few members who lived, and I'm pretty sure that Lysander let Xerosic keep Clemont in the basement
I like that it’s the classic ones, it’s been so long. HEY MAXIE REMEMBER MY GARDEVOIR? SHE GOTTA MEGA STONE NOW BOY!
RseMaxie:i was exploring this region so what is a mega stone???
I still liked the ORAS theme more ://
I can appreciate the spacey kinda edge to it tho :DDDDDD
TheLennyMoo !! I cant decide which is my favorite but i think this is the better one imo. Also have you listend to Ghetsis remix. My GOD ITS SO GOOD
TheLennyMoo !! because this Archie and Maxie are technically from another dimension so it makes sense that their themes sounds kinda alien, they are not from the current Pokemon universe
I think ORAS's is too over the top.
well oras is made by IGN not nintendo....well why their is no juan in oras...only emerald
Green Jacket I hope you didn't mean to say IGN.
I'm so glad the OGs returned cause back when I was little these were the first villains I fought in Pokemon and seeing the OG design fills me with nostalgia
Every team leader shows a smile before the fight truly starts.
Except for Ghetsis and Cyrus.
*those smiles mean they achieve their objetives*
Cyrus did too...he just was just not too sure if he liked the result. Ghetsis definitely achieved his result as well.
Ghetsis wanted even more. They all won, Cyrus and Ghetsis just weren’t pleased with what they got.
@@inerlotechnologies4908 the point is that they maybe killed the hole universe they lived in.
That's creepy as hell.
Lysandre is truly insane to LIKE what he did.
Cyrus’s objective was a World without Emotion, he clearly achieved that
Ghetsis is just PISSED at you and it’s been like 5 seconds since you first met
Seriously awesome that it combines both the drought and extreme rain themes into the battle theme.
A moment of silence for all our remixers put to shame by this theme
DuncyDragon yup
Jello Trooper - Bionicle and Pokemon a moment for all our friends in the remixzone
Jello Trooper - Bionicle and Pokemon Bliitzit and his unofficial remix of this theme would like to have a word with you.
Actually, this is the worst rendition of this theme that I ever heard.
EeveeStar 682 same here. This one feels lacking to me. The Magma/Aqua Leader theme is one of my favorite ones, and this one is just... disappointing to me.
0:48 love this bit
Yooo same.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THEMES. YES.
Can't wait to hear Cyrus theme.
Corentin M Believe me, out of every villain theme, Cyrus and especially Ghetsis are going to blow your mind.
Cyrus and Ghetsis got the best remixes imo!
Ghetsis = DENNNNISSSS WANTS TO EAT LETTTTUCCCE AND NOT PLAY TENNNNNNNISSSSS
@@tylerettinger5639 lmao
Maybe it's just the nostalgia, since Gen III was my first time playing Pokémon, but this is definitely my favorite of all the Rainbow Rocket themes
Maxine : I'm gonna revive Godzilla
Archie : I'm gonna awaken a fish and flood the world with my fish hahaha
Might just be me, but this is the best theme in Pokemon and definitely the best remaster of an old theme. Too good for words...
Awesome!
GARDEVOIR you like my trumpets? master???
ORAS BRENDAN ..............!!!!!
LA UUUUUUU
No libertadores, no sul americana
I SAID IN THE LAST VIDEO I HOPE THEY REMIX VILLAINS THEME AND OMG MY NUTTTSS ARE GONNA BURST ON GETHSIS AND CYRUS THEME
Sombra Not Ghetsis' one but... Cyrus' one definitely
Sorry bout your nuts.
my ovaries exploded listening to them. Now I'm infertile.
nah
I agreed that this one sucks ass
ORAS are was better
this...is....FREAKING AWESOME!!!!!
Aye.
Archie would be awesome of fabolous Armor and his name is guile hideout
AHHH the part at 1:12 so gooooood
Best ever.
Really sounds badass af
0:00 - 0:15 That *WHOLE INTRO* tho! 😃
“Maxie sent out Groudon!”
NOW WAIT JUST A FREKIN SEC HERE
Yo I love Hoenn and everything related to Hoenn. Am I the only one like this?
Pokemon Xbox 360 nope, lot of love for the Hoenn region, lot of childhood memories
Gen-Three-ers unite!
You are not alone???!
Hoenn or bust baby
Ayyy! Hoenn lover here!
You know what would have been cool, to have both the original and oras versions show and have a double battle with them
maybe in gen 10
Excellent Remix! I can feel the Alola and Hoenn Vibes!!!
Let's see. Team Magma and Aqua. Yet their theme sounds like Pure Plasma.
Wait.
Team Plasma is a thing.
Neo team Aqua and Neo team Magma Leader Zinnia the most Greedy Villain in the Manga
I read the manga and don't remember that happening...
Chiaki Sakura Rose what the fuck how did i find another siivagunner fan on here
They just totally changed the epic theme
Into *ultra epic*
YES IT'S NOT THE ORIGINAL FROM THE GBA VERSIONS
I know!
The hell do you mean? the original theme from the gameboy advance sound amazing till this day.
SanjiBaratie fr 👌
SanjiBaratie he’s not saying the originals are bad, he’s glad they weren’t lazy and just reused the GBA version.
mostly the reason is these are leaders from dimensions where they ended up winning, so their music is markedly different then say Anabel's who IS the same exact GBA character.
Holy shit can't wait for this game
Team Aqua and Magma didn’t even necessarily have bad intentions, they wanted to help their people master the land and sea...so everyone could live safer lives...heck Archie gave you a nickname, let’s you play hero, and by that point where Kyogre is about to be awakened...he’s having genuine fun battling you...I honestly feel like Maxie and Archie are the misunderstood people of Pokémon.
+ a strange whale and a dinosaur.
no rayquaza belongs to none of them. It belongs to Joey.
Top. Percentage.
Im excited for mashups on this one
When battling.....
Maxie/Archie sends out the legendary
Player sends out opposite legendary..
But suddenly, P1's legendary transforms
1:13 is used a lot in many battle themes, and it's my favorite.
Giovanni - Up to this day, I don't have an idea of his real goal.
Maxie - Expand the landmass for further human development and land pokemon to have more environment.
Archie - Bring the sea to it's primal world ( or expand the sea) so that pokemon (Not specified if land or aquatic) will live in a utopia.
Cyrus - He believes that emotions and spirit is weak and poisoning the world. He wants to create a new universe where spirit and emotions doesn't exist.
Ghetsis - World domination, nuff said.
Lysander - Reset Kalos (Not specified if it's world or not) for his idealized world.
Lusamine - She's obssesed with the Ultra Beasts. (seriously lusamine ain't evil, she's just obssesed but got poisoned by Nihilego in the process.)
Chairman Rose - Infinite supply of energy through galar, making him unleash the darkest day.
*Uses R/S/E Archie rather than the hot pirate design*
Me: Look how they massacred my boy!
Dude got a white wash
I will always say gen 7 were so fucking good. Best 3D games so far
*NEEDS MORE FRENCH HORNS AND CLAPS!1111111oneone
Christoffer Avdal claps is from elite four hoen....
well well looki here. .Gardevoir used trumpet but it fail........
ORAs Brendan ; but we from alola not Hoen
Gardevoir:oh sorry master.
old gold they also had claps in the leaders themes I r/s/e.
French? We need lysandre too if that’s the case and the hole kalos reign
Wait. So the orbs for the DPP trio and Groudon and Kyogre were purchasable.
*Urgent News! Melemele Mall has been robbed of godly artifacts!*
ORAS Archie has so much fucking swagger on him, this one actually looks like a stale fish
All those timelines where the villain team won?
Yep, from the cartridges you either lost or never completed.
I hope you're happy.
i lost my copy of black and i couldn't be more sad
I'm so used to the ORAS redesigns...Archie looked like a yakuza member vaguely into pirates and Maxie looked like an early sci-fi ship commander
Aaaa I'm so happy they made new themes ! This one is just... GAAAAA
*Pokémon Generation came out with Remakes connected with Pokémon timeline*
OG Archie and Maxie: Are we a joke to you?
*Uno reverse card*
*US/UM came out with OG Maxie and Archie*
Remake Maxie and Archie: Are we a Joke to you?
The first leaders I ever fought when I started playing Pokémon can’t wait to beat them again
🙏ORAS 🙏 MAXIE 🙏 WILL 🙏 ALWAYS 🙏 BE 🙏 MORE 🙏 ATTRACTIVE 🙏 AND 🙏 PRECIOUS 🙏
I wanted to see ORAS Archie and Original Flavor Archie meet so bad. They'd get all freaked out n' shit then Original boi says hey the buff look looks really good on me and ORAS boi says yeah it really pays off with the ladies
or something
MAXIE IS ATTRACTIVE DONT CHANGE MY MIND
Huh?
@@MyLittlePwnyta Archie moment
oras Maxie is the superior Maxie. it’s non negotiable.
Emerald. The first game I met these two in. About the most iconic battles of MY childhood, since Emerald was officially my first Pokémon game. But they couldn't keep up with Swampert.
OR/AS. I see the nerdy madman and the fish wrestler once more, now spruced up and ready for round two more than ever. As hard as they tried, they still had nothing on Swampert.
Finally, Ultra Moon. Meeting these two in Team RR's castle was a nostalgic rush I haven't felt in forever. I actually smiled when I found them. "Ready for Round 3, fellas?" And they almost got me this time, but nothing beats my bond with...you guessed it. Swampert.
The fact that they fight with legendary Pokémon just made me itch so much
I wonder if team rainbow rocket will make a comeback in the next Pokemon games. Except stronger than ever, for he and his brethren have learned about their past mistakes. What if in the next battle between these two, their Groundon and Kyogre can access to thier primal forms, and their Sharkpedo and Camerumpt are able to mega evolve. Now that will be a hell of a battle.
Should i keep refreshing your channel?
edit: you answered my question. THANK YOU SO MUCH
a whole essay up ahead explaining how the hell team rr is morbid
Team RR was actually kind of unnerving to me... I mean, it's revealed by Maxie and Archie first that they were able to complete their plans in separate worlds, meaning that there's no sea in Maxie's world and no land in Archie's world, but they were soon transported to Alola.
And that means the other villains also completed their plans. Meaning that Cyrus was able to destroy the previous world and create a new one in a different world, Ghetsis was able to freeze over Unova and rule over everyone in the region as the only team with Pokémon left in a different world, and Lysandre was able to make the world beautiful again with the Ultimate Weapon in a different world.
And this was confirmed by Cyrus' dialogue after he's beaten:
"...You need not worry, Rotom. I will not do anything to this world. I believe I should return to the perfect world I created."
So they all come from different timelines I guess if you'd like to put it that way. But going back to Maxie and Archie, there's no way they could have done that if R/S/E went the same way even if the player character wasn't able to stop them, right? Well, I believe they're from the Sapphire Adventures Manga.
What lead to me to believe this was that after the two leaders had been defeated, they saw each other in the main room, acting semi-aggressive and surprised to see each other there. And going back to the manga, Maxie died after Archie took the armor for himself, so I'm sure that was flipped around in another timeline where Archie died and Maxie took the armor.
And what about Ghetsis with Colress? Well, it's even stated by the US/UM Colress that the Ghetsis in Team RR is not the one he's familiar with. US/UM is after B2/W2, so the US/UM Colress is actually just the same Colress from those past games.
Team RR's Ghetsis is from the original B/W, hence the old design opposed to the new one. This leads me to believe that when N and the player confronted Ghetsis in the old castle, they both lost, and Ghetsis was able to harness the power of Zekrom and Reshiram to eliminate them and continue his plans of manipulating the people.
I believe Colress would eventually turn on him, but if not, he went along with the plans to further his research. But if Colress did happen to turn on Ghetsis, it wouldn't end nicely.
And with Giovanni? I'm not sure exactly. Team Rocket's goal is basically just to control every single Pokémon in the world and use them to their own benefits, and that goal can't really come to an end, so I'm thinking that they succeeded in starting, but they're not half way through yet, so they were able to round up the other villains to aid them and get the Aether Foundation's technology to do so.
And of course, after Team RR was defeated, Giovanni noticeably says in the final cut scene:
"Now…what new world shall I unleash my evil schemes upon…?"
Arceus, I hope they come back in Sword and Shield, wouldn't that be something? Or maybe that new mobile game Pokémon Masters, that would be something.
Idk who's the most evil person there, I still think ghetsis though seeing as he wouldnt care to kill children, he didnt want to make the world a better place in their view like how Archie wanted more oceans for water pokemon and Maxie wanted more land for people and land pokemon. Even geovanni who had a crobat which means he actually cares for his pokemon.
Hate u ghetsis.
GO is basically not a *real* Pokemon game if you know what I mean? I just hope that they come back some other time! I prefer RR over Team Yell tbh,,
Plus, wow Gio, advertising in a game that we paid over $50 for? What a legend.
@@overgrowthwhoaskedforhandles God I hope not,, they're like a Team Skull bootleg
Oh God you're right - I just hope there's a better Team in the games...guess we'll find out when they're released. I was eagerly waiting for the new villain team but when this got released I was so disappointed.
I really do hope there's a better, more threatening team than just a group of punks.
@@iconofiacon I hope its something good like plasma but not plasma. Team yell is stupid IMO.
The first 15 seconds are delightful. I could listen to them all over and over.
I didn't notice this against Archie at first but then when I turned my sound up... 78/10 just enough water
I feel like this theme fits Maxie more, whereas the one from ORAS fits Archie more.
I *LOVED* this game SO MUCH! I got it close to the end of 2019, and I had so much fun!
I'm really sad I lost my copy of Ultra Sun extremely early into 2020 ;-;
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Hi past me
You would have needed that to make your pandemic a lot easier
I liked Maxie when he had glasses and Archie when he was black
Easily my fav theme out of all the ones you released today Pokeli!
I'm just going to get even more Notifications than ever now. I haven't got this but time to listen to the soundtrack.
DOUBLE REMIX
1st The Original
2nd ORAS Remix
3rd UltraSunMoon Remix Of ORAS Remix
DOUBLE REMIX
I like their ORAS design more. Archie looks like he came out from studio 54 while Maxie came out from a lab.
Emilio Aguirre "Archie looks like he came out from studio 54"
Me: AGREED!!
+DrakeTheRakeLord and the Team Aqua emblem just makes it even funnier.
say what??? Oras people saying i hate Oras im done ....so
nah im just kidding
As one who first experienced Gen 3 in ORAS, can I just say that encountering these two in their original artwork iterations and being literally speechless that their Groudon and Kyogre didn't Primal Revert was
_F U C K I N G J A R R I N G ._
I'M SO GLAD I WOKE UP EARLY THIS MORNING!
Oh also for ppl complaining about the switch back in USUM, the original universe is the only one where they had a chance of winning. They could’ve in ORAS, but that’s a small chance because with the red and blue orbs the legendaries were wayyy too powerful for even them to control. Luckily for them, that didn’t happen in the originals, and they could control them easier. So that’s why they’re here
Cette musique juste magique ^^
Petit Argent oui !! J'adore l'effet derrière un peu spatial omg ! Ce thème déchire !
Vous avez remarquer que ce sont les arthur et max des vielle version et non pas de rubis om et saphire alpha ... jme demande bien pourquoi
car les versions d'ORAS ont perdus dans la timeline des mega evo ! et les boss des teams de la RR ont gagnés dans leur timeline
"Archie sends Kyogre!"
im sorry he whAT
Unbelievable it's like all of the villains we have ever faced from our past
This fucking remix, man. So good. It's so good.
I... I could cry i'm almost literally in tears these themes are SOO cool and they all got their own!!
This. Is. Awesome!!!!!
0:53 Omg i LOOOVE this part
ORAS Archie: i used to be a chinese pirate?
Really fits the theme of the room they're in and the wormholes as well. Definitely one of my favorite remixes.
From the future and I still enjoy this theme.
not enough trumpets 7.8/10
well well looki here this is Alola not Hoen GO back and scream some trumpets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in Oraaaaaas!!!!!!!!..
darxodia is this is not a water....
RIP Archie’s nose.
It was snatched by GameFreak.
He was the only one I am aware of who had an actual nose.
I honestly think that the themes from ORAS are better :/
Mollup Okay.
Agreed
Mollup two Archie and Maxie in the two dimensions
Mollup. You have bad taste in music
Go back to eating fish and fighting other male for mates and territory and mates
You're much better at doin that
KSound Kaiju So different opinions makes them having a shit taste in something?
One of the only truly creative and original remixes of this theme I have heard. I'm not a big fan of all of your artistic choices, but can solidly say that this is truly a unique take on this song.
These dudes basically killed everyone in their world. (Archie drowned everyone except the people living on that log town probably, and for Maxie... Ya kinda need liquid water for life to exist.)
I think they're supposed to be the ones that the Hoenn protagonist beat so they probably didn't win
Nope, confirmed in game that they succeeded (as stated by Giovanni and their encounter dialogue)
(Using my mom's account because personal reasons)