A number of things are clear from this footage: 1. LFB are operating in Offensive Mode with a BA crew entering the property at 1:31 followed by a second crew with a HRJ at 3:42. The BAECO can clearly be seen behind the TL cage from 6:16 along with crew feeding hose through the front of the building. 2. The nearest hydrant on Great Percy Street is used to supply the pump for the initial attack so another hydrant to supply a pump for the Water Tower needs to be set up. In the meantime the TL is initially used as an observational tower (6:35 to 8:20) and then uses a HRJ (8:20 to 11:25) following which the pump is then set up to supply the monitor (from 12:15).
Couple of things I want to add: 3. Operating HRJs from a TL is a tried and tested procedure used by UK Fire Services where a 2,500l/min monitor isn't required. They're initially quicker to set up as the HRJ can be run from the pump(s) supplying other branches and therefore they don't require the time needed to set up a dedicated Water Tower pump and hydrant. 4. The TL shown in this video is one of the old 07-plate Mercedes Magirus which are 15 years old. Front line TLs have all now been replaced by new Scania Magirus M32L-AS TLs which have a number of improvements including a much faster set up time. Happy days!
@@jamesfraser4173 HRJ = Hose Reel Jet. LFB pumps are fitted with 2x high pressure HRJs (one wither side) which are quicker to deploy and easier to handle in confined spaces.
Interesting to compare operations, equipment, etc. with what is executed at a similar type of fire in the States. I love watching these, also makes me want to visit what appears to be a lovely part of the city.
My brother in law is American and an ex firfighter and he made the comparison between American firefighters and British firefighters and said in terms of camaraderie American firefighters win hands down but when it comes to on the job work then Brits win with far superior training and equipment.
@@AdamKyleAnderson That's an interesting comment. My understanding is there are over 1.2 million firefighters in the USA serving in 27,228 different Fire Departments. With 31% of those firefighters being paid, and 69% being volunteer. These Fire Departments range in size from the 11,000 uniformed members of the FDNY protecting a city of 8.8 million... to a small-town rural volunteer Fire Department comprised of maybe a dozen members. No doubt that the fire apparatus, tools, equipment, training, tactics and practical experience with structural firefighting must vary greatly. Next time that you speak with your brother in law, please ask him which ones he was referring to. And would you be good enough to let us know?
i know what you mean i find it very frustrating to watch ehn all they do in a 30minute video is spend 29 of those minutes throwing the camera around film whats happening behind them or filming the sky/ground instead of staying in one spot and filming the actual building thats involved
A good rule to remember when walking around a fire scene: Keep looking down and around in all directions so you don’t trip over hose or walk into something.
it’s surprising but makes sense: nobody inside and thick walls makes it easier to go slow and setup before an interior attack, it’s like fighting a fire in a “posted” building
@@bostonrailfan2427 Why on earth would you think they were slow??? They had crews committed to interior firefighting as soon as they arrived. Pouring water on fire from outside in circumstances such as this woukd be poor firefighting but perhaps your dept is so used to that it may be normal to you.
‘Why has London so few turntable ladders?’ is the question. London has, apparently, better things to spend their money on than life saving fire fighting equipment……………..piles of earth and scaffolding near Marble Arch for example.
Hi the reason that London has few turntable Ladders 🪜 is down to this Lousy rotten government who what to make a quick buck money 💰 each 🔥 firebrigade has to make savings the government gives each 🔥 firebrigade Less money 💰 each yearso.they have to make up the rest which meansire appLence being taken off if LFB decides to save £1millon pounds 💷 by themselves. This Rotten government will take it every day. No problem no thanks next year more cuts again Less money and they will tell them u have done it once u can do it again next they will want £2millon.pounds it does not stop i hope that has answered your question.
Poop government, poop budgets but what could another turntable do that one appliance do - it seemed all in hand when the other two rocked up so.......??? Had to use "poop" as youtube doesn't like shit3
Look at the very start of when the ladder truck comes onto the scene. the way the bucket is positioned in the retracted position, it would be almost impossible to connect the master stream. It is piped to the bucket, it just needs the final connection to be made.
Must have been bigger fire than I first thought, could you please fill in about the tactics you have used, I know of the aerial approach from the snorkel appliance thank you.
I assume all those hoses on the ground were feeding some activity inside the building, because they apparently didn't quite know what to do with the ladder truck. It took some time before the ladder's built-in conduit was hooked up to the main. Ordinarily, how many trucks does it take for an apartment fire? They kept arriving for several minutes. The lesson to take away is don't set your apartment afire.
There wasn't sufficient hydrant supply to supply both the firefighting in the building and the ladder so they just grabbed the hose reel from the pump supplying the BA teams inside. Added to which the ladders need another vehicle to pump for them, they don't have pumps on the vehicle which is why later on that engine reversed up to it but by then it looked like the BA teams inside the building had got on top of things.
The equipment is too complicated to set up, wasting valuable time. I watch fire videos on UA-cam. Many times, the fire goes from just smoke to open flames while the firemen are fiddling with their equipment. New York has several types of trucks, one of which carries its own tank of water. It arrives on the scene ready to go. A small fire like this one would benefit from such equipment. Also, the police on the scene are too tolerant of spectators, especially those cyclists meandering through the site. BTW: it's the fire department in the US and the Fire brigade in London.
@@michaeljarosz4062 The fire engines in the UK all have water tanks so can get start to work. I don't know about London but the Brigade I work has 1800 litre tanks on all front line fire engines which is good for a bit over 5 mins with hose reels before you need to have set into a hydrant. It's just the aerial ladders/platforms that tend not to have their own pumps and need normal fire engines to supply their water
@@benpaynter few US ladders have tanks so that’s a null point, the usual US tank carries 500 gallons(1893 liters) minimum the vast majority carry 750 gallons(2840 liters)to 1500 gallons(5683 liters).
A couple of things to note...the fire water access is not from hydrants but taps in the street? Also that Mercedes cab over fire truck is pretty bad ass! Must have a great turning radius for tight spots. I wonder why we don't use those? Or maybe we do I just haven't seen them
costs a lot more than a usual cabover from E-One, Pierce, Seagrave, etc. and it’s smaller so can’t carry the amount of water and equipment that most engines need
@@bostonrailfan2427 can't talk for the pumpers in the UK as their layout differs again from ours, but Engines here are often based on Mercedes trucks as well; The crew cab offers space for up to 9 and the Engine doesn't have only tank, pump and hoses but also carry e.g. ground ladders, complete set of extrication equipment and a ton of other tools and equipment, some even carry a 2nd portable pump besides the built-in pump. There's so much equipment on board that you don't see Heavy Rescue Trucks being dispatched to fire calls like it's common in many places in the US "and it’s smaller" all depends on the truck chassis configuration. Can get it as standard 2 axle truck, or with 3, or 4 axles. The only thing I agree on is that we carry less water, simply as we operate at lower gpm but thatfor higher PSI rates.
@@bostonrailfan2427 the TL carries what it needs. It doesn’t have a pump or water tank. This save weigh and keeps it small enough to manoeuvre. I genuinely don’t think people from other countries realise just how narrow our roads are. The trucks we have in a lot of cases have been too big. So a TL will have a dedicated pump to feed it water
Great video! I too think it’s interesting to see how other FD’s outside the US handle fires and their apparatus. Just curious, it appears as though the ladder truck does not have a hose going to the bucket. Is that true? Cheers Doc
The Turntable Ladder does have its own hose system and facility to deliver firefighting media. Just after it arrives you can see firefighters preparing it, but it requires its own dedicated pump and water supply which the 3rd pump prepares. The first 2 pumps have prioritised their pumping for internal attack and covering jets.
@@duncannew4349 They also only wanted the ladder to stop fire spread on the surface asphalt on the roof, not to drown the crews working inside. Pulling the hosereel up was quick and did the intended job.
In the video they used a hose reel from one of the pump or pump ladder appliances as it looked like they just needed enough water to stop fire spread on the roof and it was quicker . Turntable Ladder and Aerial Ladder Platforms need their own dedicated supply of ( I think ) two 70 ml hose lines . This was good work for a quick attack . The only criticism of either the OIC or Police is a Corden keeping the public back to the side of the road where the cameraman was would have been better . People were wondering around oblivious as firefighters were trying to get stuff done and could potentially have tripped over hoses . People dont need much of an excuse to sue .
London Fire Brigade Policy First and foremost: We Do NOT Cancel! Once we're rolling, we're arriving!!! Over-deploy and not need it = Good! Under-deploy and need more = BAD!!!! The copper was a British Transport Police officer, more used to dealing with trains, He was on the radio a lot, probably asking "Have the Met even deployed yet????", as local officers are better with cordons/traffic control/crowd control......
@@bostonrailfan2427 , I don’t know the specific type of hydrant you refer to, but underground hydrants can be set up 4 times faster than the American hydrants with all their “ accessories “ the only advantage of American hydrants is the volume of water they can give.
My Nan and auntie live two doors away from the fire it was bad as the house next door to them the wall set on fire and my auntie was self isolating so she couldn’t go outside. Luckily no one was hurt and the cats that are next door to be nan and aunties house escaped to.
American cops need to learn this is how traffic control at a fire works...you stand by your car @12:25 so when it needs moved you are there to do it. Not have fire look for you!
Maybe you’re referring to that viral video where the fire truck rams the police cars? At that incident the police were first on scene, and, despite not having training or protective equipment, ran into the burning building and saved many lives, receiving injuries and burns in the process. But hurr durr they were DoUbLe pArKeD
@@johnb8956 No I'm referring to ones that block an intersection with the car, leave the car and go stand around the trucks with their thumbs up their butts being a Lookie Lou. I've heard command instruct an engine to come and set up at xyz only for the engine to answer find the cop that belongs to this car blocking the way so we can get in. I've seen it both on YT and here where I live.
@@georgecoons6872 the London fire brigade have been fighting fires years before The US even existed. UK firefighters focus on fighting fires from the inside. Spraying the building from the ladder is not the priority. Every country has different procedures for their fire fighters because of different things like building materials, building regulations, health and safety regulations etc
With all that was going on why is it that the three cyclists tried to get past the Police car that was moving to make way for the other Fire engine!!! Cyclists are a total law unto themselves one nearly side wiped himself against a non-emergency ambulance as the cyclist did not give way at a junction...i mean who is going to come off worse!!!
Because that hose can deliver between 230-415 litres per min, is incredibly maneuverable and is deployed with water flowing in seconds. What you don't see is that layflat 45mm and 70mm hose deployed after.
Don't agree, especially we can't see it in closeup. At approx 3 something you see them using O-Hoses, so they prob used water from the pumpers tank; which in normal in Europe. Beside from that, to fight fires like this, you need a ladder or boom, which arrived only later. A former Fireman Friend once said to me: Running firemen can only be seen in 2 situations: - In movies - In the US
Are you, or have you ever, been on the job? When I did it, training was exceptional. The fire service is probably one of the few occupations that covers so many kinds of mixed knowledge into operations. What may appear as unorganized is actually quite organized depending on the situation. I used to shake my head at a fire scene when I would overhear a bystander make a comment; criticizing about something they know little about.
@@davidcurry4433 not an expert but a bit of knowledge of firefighting, knowing your head from your ass and an iq not starting with a decimal point are all good indicators of when people can make valid comments on a profession they’ve never done.
I'm from Montreal. Yes so differents ways to approach a structure fire. Not many firefighters for this kind of building, no one on the rough, no ventilation, I do not see action inside the appartment of the last floor and more. Here for this kind of call you will have 75 firefighters on the site by 15/20 minutes. But what I find very bizarre is no man power on the roof. I do not get it! Maby someone from overthere can explane to us why?
@@gillesrenaud6926 I hear you. Many European countries apparently take quite a different approach than North America generally does. Among the larger municipal Fire Departments in the US and Canada I'd imagine that the very first order of business would be to get a hose lines stretched up to the roof and to that top floor! AND, have at least one aerial placed to the roof, and another aerial to the top floor. No criticism whatsoever is intended, it's just that I believe that to be a prudent course of action based on the conditions found upon arrival. I'll also mention that it is difficult tell from the video where the guys are operating, so I am not critiquing them. Also, just because the LFB run aerial ladder and tower ladder type apparatus, doesn't mean that they operate as "Truck Companies." They don't. There is not a crew with a boss aboard. The Aerial devices ride with only 2 firefighters on the rig, and they are not necessarily tasked with performing any "Truck Work" as we might be familiar with. And if the information on Wikipedia is current, there are only 11 aerial devices fielded by the LFB. Seven Aerial Ladder Platforms and four Turntable Ladders to cover a city of 8.6 million. As a matter of fact, I believe that the LFB typically dispatch only 2 Engines for a phone alarm reporting a building fire. No ladder trucks, no chief, just two Engines. (Or at least they did up until mid 2017). Again, it's no criticism of the Firefighters. I just think that those guys are under staffed and under equipped. And I'd imagine that impacts one's strategy and tactics.
@@gillesrenaud6926 my Australian Fire Fighter friends consider venting and standing on the roof very hazardous. Here they have reeled hoses that can be put to use very quickly, while others hook up to a hydrant. Most house fires here in Queensland are much fiercer due to entirely wooden and brick veneer house. Without seeing what is going on inside the terrace house, externally this looks very tame.
yeh Americans rock up with 4 massive tower ladders and 2 engines with Q sirens being blared heard 20 miles away and abusing their horn when nobody is there. When they get on scene to a fire they just stand their with their BBQ setup and their double cheeseburger cooking in the fire. At least the British actually does something about the fire. Not just that but a car crash for example...they send tower ladders to a 2 car crash- such a waste of resources!
I am puzzled as to why the ladder truck came back down to get that thick yellow cord to hook up to their bucket after they already ran hose to the side of the ladder truck
Watching the viewer retention graph, I couldn't understand why people kept rewinding at 3:45. Then I watched it for myself. XD Poor woman. Hope she enjoyed her trip!
So, they couldn't attach a hose to the ladder, and the guy needed to descend the lift again to get a small hose that would be useless if the fire was getting bigger. To me, this was a lack of preparedness. They need to train better in the use of their equipment.
The colour of the smoke indicated to me that water was being put into the fire from underneath. Blasting water from above would bring slates down on the freighters below. Been there ,got the "T" shirt.
@@patgeorge1 yes,but the issue in the first place was; that they seem to use a lot of time to attach additional equipment to the latter ,and then end up not to be able to use it anyway (wrong hose size?) so if the fire was getting out of hand they wouldnt have been able to help
Maybe it’s just me, but they seemed a tad bit slow getting their gear in place and set up. I only see fire trucks and no fire engines with the water inside them. Maybe they don’t have those over there? If my apartment was close by, I would expect them to move a lot faster.
there were people fighting the fire in the inside, also saving peoples pets. this video was like late into the fire. they exhausted all the water in the tanks, using the big hoses.
There were BA teams inside working, everyone on the outside was setting up contingencies incase the initial internal attack failed, all these know it all yanks in the comments without a clue.
Why waste crews to just stand around, even that young officer was at a loose end - pubic behaving themselves (for a change) and no need for any more resources......that we could see, maybe there were more on other streets!?!?
Según empiezo a ver el vídeo falta crear un perímetro de seguridad para no entorpecer la salida de personas de este bloque de pisos y facilitar la llegada de ambulancias, bomberos ,etc pienso que es la policía la que tiene que ser la que coordine esté perímetro. Después se observa que están algo descontrolados y es por la falta de rapidez de la misma.
Apart from the faffing about with getting a hose attached to the monitor on the turntable ladder, then coming straight back down again to change hoses.
In Germany firefighters do spray from the ladder with no loose hose used, see here: ua-cam.com/video/VVmPQG5u_3M/v-deo.html Is a British ladder built different? It appears to be Magirus on Mercedes, so German made? edit: I now see, at 17:34 they do connect a hose to the end of the ladder. But, at this time, the fire appears to be out already.
Attack lines and supply lines take a while to set up, especially in England where fire hydrants are under ground and have to be taken out and in other countries they don’t have to also in England there’s not as many anddd there’s 2 hookups on fire hydrants meanwhile in America they have 3 hookups
there were at least two going in the first time the videographer showed the front, they look like they’re setting up the second or third engine there with at the intersection hydrant
I only see 3 apparatus at this fire a scene. The same fire in the US would have 10 to 15 on scene....Huge difference on the way operations are handles over there than here..
outstanding footage! i cringe at seeing no ladders up to the windows in either the front or back but then again different countries have different routines and methods of fighting fires funny, i’m watching this and my local fire engine went by on an alarm investigation 🤣
They had BA crews committed to the inside. We fight fires in occupied buildings from the inside. Also we have far more control over our BA men, know where they are and what they are tasked to do, maintain exit routes and know their turn around times. No ladders were needed in this case. If there were they would have pitched them.
@@EnjoyFirefighting There's also the solution of busting out the cars glass, running the hose through and hooking up to the hydrant. Problems solve. Plus the nice policeman will give you a personal invitation to speak with a judge about your parking brilliance...
@@robertmcsorley4001 it doesn't solve any problem; That might be an option for cars parked in front of an above ground hydrant, which seems to be an issue especially in the US. Over here we simply don't have any above ground hydrants which could be blocked by parked cars. There's only a tiny percentage of above ground hydrants left here, it's super rare to see one at all. However, so far the topic wasn't even cars parked right in front of a hydrant and the FD not getting to the hydrant, but it was about the FD not being able to access the street they need to go to in order to reach the sceene; Smashing the window wouldn't have any purpose if the truck still isn't able to reach the scene; So, moving the car without damaging it is the goal to give space to the apparatus to proceed ... might still be some distance to the scene
The output from the hydrants is fine, but the water can only flow as fast as the pump that is pumping it. That is why hydrants are so prevelant in London, and so well hidden. You know there is a fire locally when your kitchen/bathroom water supply suddenly dwindles to nothing.......... The issue is that the ALP needs its own, dedicated Dual Pump Appliance to get the pressures up high enough. The first two pumps on scene were busy supplying their crews, who were already attacking from the inside. When the third DP arrived from A24 Soho, it was immediately tasked to be the dedicated PL for the ALP, which is when the yellow high-capacity lines were pulled out and connected.
@@eliotmansfield As I understand it an interior attack is preferred, hence all the hoses going in through the front door. If you’re squirting a heap of water from the sky on to the firefighters inside putting out the fire you end up in all sorts of mess. You’ve also got a finite amount of pressure and feeds so you use them where they’re needed most, which is inside. However, IANAFF etc
@@milkypirateuk I would imagine that buildings such as these roof access can be gained from the top floor. (via a roof bulkhead or a a scuttle.) Is that accurate? I ask because I'd assume that one hose line would be operated at the roof level, and one positioned on the top floor. I didn't see evidence of a hose line operating line on the roof. Any thoughts about that?
I couldn’t help but laugh at the woman falling over at 3:46
4:01 Look at the firefighter, I thought he was going to do the same thing, but no I think he's pushing the pipe with his foot
Your a very bad man.
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A number of things are clear from this footage: 1. LFB are operating in Offensive Mode with a BA crew entering the property at 1:31 followed by a second crew with a HRJ at 3:42. The BAECO can clearly be seen behind the TL cage from 6:16 along with crew feeding hose through the front of the building. 2. The nearest hydrant on Great Percy Street is used to supply the pump for the initial attack so another hydrant to supply a pump for the Water Tower needs to be set up. In the meantime the TL is initially used as an observational tower (6:35 to 8:20) and then uses a HRJ (8:20 to 11:25) following which the pump is then set up to supply the monitor (from 12:15).
Couple of things I want to add: 3. Operating HRJs from a TL is a tried and tested procedure used by UK Fire Services where a 2,500l/min monitor isn't required. They're initially quicker to set up as the HRJ can be run from the pump(s) supplying other branches and therefore they don't require the time needed to set up a dedicated Water Tower pump and hydrant. 4. The TL shown in this video is one of the old 07-plate Mercedes Magirus which are 15 years old. Front line TLs have all now been replaced by new Scania Magirus M32L-AS TLs which have a number of improvements including a much faster set up time. Happy days!
@@thepymes Umm...you forgot to point out a lady EATS IT at 3:47.
HRJ? High Rise Jet?
@@jamesfraser4173 HRJ = Hose Reel Jet. LFB pumps are fitted with 2x high pressure HRJs (one wither side) which are quicker to deploy and easier to handle in confined spaces.
Loved it when the lady biffed in face first on the fire hose
Interesting to compare operations, equipment, etc. with what is executed at a similar type of fire in the States. I love watching these, also makes me want to visit what appears to be a lovely part of the city.
My brother in law is American and an ex firfighter and he made the comparison between American firefighters and British firefighters and said in terms of camaraderie American firefighters win hands down but when it comes to on the job work then Brits win with far superior training and equipment.
@@AdamKyleAnderson That's an interesting comment. My understanding is there are over 1.2 million firefighters in the USA serving in 27,228 different Fire Departments. With 31% of those firefighters being paid, and 69% being volunteer. These Fire Departments range in size from the 11,000 uniformed members of the FDNY protecting a city of 8.8 million... to a small-town rural volunteer Fire Department comprised of maybe a dozen members.
No doubt that the fire apparatus, tools, equipment, training, tactics and practical experience with structural firefighting must vary greatly. Next time that you speak with your brother in law, please ask him which ones he was referring to. And would you be good enough to let us know?
I'm the state there'd be 60 fire apparatuses there and probably 30 firefighters would die doing it
How the hell could she not see that BIG RED hose on the floor sounded by fire engines 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼
It was the silver joining she tripped over
The world is full of stupid people and she just proved it...
Or she's watched too many of those Insurance Claim ads on daytime telly...
@@stevegray5263 that's abit harsh.. I'm sure you've tripped up the stairs and probably tripped over your own feet at some point!
@@davewhite768Hahaa! I think you're being sarcastic so I'll just refer to your original post :)
Go to 4:50 when the person recording finally decides to find a good perspective and stay there for awhile...
i know what you mean i find it very frustrating to watch ehn all they do in a 30minute video is spend 29 of those minutes throwing the camera around film whats happening behind them or filming the sky/ground instead of staying in one spot and filming the actual building thats involved
The best bit was the woman taking a dive🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A good rule to remember when walking around a fire scene: Keep looking down and around in all directions so you don’t trip over hose or walk into something.
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I suspect she was distraught and that was her home on fire. She reappears later in the video at a safer distance.
@@zyglo9826 was once asked why i walked over hoses so oddly but when you slip once you learn to tread lightly 😳
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As an American firefighters. I find it very interesting how other countries operate on the fire ground
Or don’t….
We have the same thing with American fire departments.
it’s surprising but makes sense: nobody inside and thick walls makes it easier to go slow and setup before an interior attack, it’s like fighting a fire in a “posted” building
@@bostonrailfan2427 Why on earth would you think they were slow??? They had crews committed to interior firefighting as soon as they arrived. Pouring water on fire from outside in circumstances such as this woukd be poor firefighting but perhaps your dept is so used to that it may be normal to you.
@@johnnz4375 Oh this comment is just priceless ;)
That lad walking by at 4:27 trying to look like he's not interested and walks on like..." oh it's a big fire but, never mind eh "
He'd got headphones on so wasn't on planet Earth!
3:50 was a total wipe out
What was she thinking?? LOL
No doubt total face plant 😝
LOL that was random as haha
3:45
Face plant lel
Brilliant Job lads . LFB is the best.
Why they didnt connect hose to ladder?
‘Why has London so few turntable ladders?’ is the question. London has, apparently, better things to spend their money on than life saving fire fighting equipment……………..piles of earth and scaffolding near Marble Arch for example.
Hi the reason that London has few turntable Ladders 🪜 is down to this Lousy rotten government who what to make a quick buck money 💰 each 🔥 firebrigade has to make savings the government gives each 🔥 firebrigade Less money 💰 each yearso.they have to make up the rest which meansire appLence being taken off if LFB decides to save £1millon pounds 💷 by themselves. This Rotten government will take it every day. No problem no thanks next year more cuts again Less money and they will tell them u have done it once u can do it again next they will want £2millon.pounds it does not stop i hope that has answered your question.
THE FIRE Went Out before the firefighters were reade, what a disaster
Poop government, poop budgets but what could another turntable do that one appliance do - it seemed all in hand when the other two rocked up so.......???
Had to use "poop" as youtube doesn't like shit3
@@bananaman100 all started by Blair’s cuts when he was in government now carried on by Khan
The UK is trying produce more ladder trucks as possible. Too much highrise fires in the UK instead of normal house fires.
How many pumps was there?
Great video and very calmly shot.
Excellent work! The weirdest part for me was them having to put the master stream together.
It's like LAFD, they have a lot of ladder trucks that are not pre plumbed.
Look at the very start of when the ladder truck comes onto the scene. the way the bucket is positioned in the retracted position, it would be almost impossible to connect the master stream. It is piped to the bucket, it just needs the final connection to be made.
@@benv5812 The New T/Ls have the Cage Monitor already in place
Must have been bigger fire than I first thought, could you please fill in about the tactics you have used, I know of the aerial approach from the snorkel appliance thank you.
I assume all those hoses on the ground were feeding some activity inside the building, because they apparently didn't quite know what to do with the ladder truck. It took some time before the ladder's built-in conduit was hooked up to the main. Ordinarily, how many trucks does it take for an apartment fire? They kept arriving for several minutes. The lesson to take away is don't set your apartment afire.
There wasn't sufficient hydrant supply to supply both the firefighting in the building and the ladder so they just grabbed the hose reel from the pump supplying the BA teams inside. Added to which the ladders need another vehicle to pump for them, they don't have pumps on the vehicle which is why later on that engine reversed up to it but by then it looked like the BA teams inside the building had got on top of things.
The equipment is too complicated to set up, wasting valuable time. I watch fire videos on UA-cam. Many times, the fire goes from just smoke to open flames while the firemen are fiddling with their equipment. New York has several types of trucks, one of which carries its own tank of water. It arrives on the scene ready to go. A small fire like this one would benefit from such equipment.
Also, the police on the scene are too tolerant of spectators, especially those cyclists meandering through the site.
BTW: it's the fire department in the US and the Fire brigade in London.
@@michaeljarosz4062 The fire engines in the UK all have water tanks so can get start to work. I don't know about London but the Brigade I work has 1800 litre tanks on all front line fire engines which is good for a bit over 5 mins with hose reels before you need to have set into a hydrant. It's just the aerial ladders/platforms that tend not to have their own pumps and need normal fire engines to supply their water
@@benpaynter few US ladders have tanks so that’s a null point, the usual US tank carries 500 gallons(1893 liters) minimum the vast majority carry 750 gallons(2840 liters)to 1500 gallons(5683 liters).
the way it’s venting from the rear shots it looks like a typical basement fire with extension so focus is down below
Nice catch a decent camera work as well Well done 👍🏻
I'm surprised a local hasn't snook up and tried to steal the hoses round the corner.
A couple of things to note...the fire water access is not from hydrants but taps in the street? Also that Mercedes cab over fire truck is pretty bad ass! Must have a great turning radius for tight spots. I wonder why we don't use those? Or maybe we do I just haven't seen them
Even underground it’s still called a hydrant. 😉
costs a lot more than a usual cabover from E-One, Pierce, Seagrave, etc. and it’s smaller so can’t carry the amount of water and equipment that most engines need
@@bostonrailfan2427 thanks for the info...Boston guy here too
@@bostonrailfan2427 can't talk for the pumpers in the UK as their layout differs again from ours, but Engines here are often based on Mercedes trucks as well; The crew cab offers space for up to 9 and the Engine doesn't have only tank, pump and hoses but also carry e.g. ground ladders, complete set of extrication equipment and a ton of other tools and equipment, some even carry a 2nd portable pump besides the built-in pump. There's so much equipment on board that you don't see Heavy Rescue Trucks being dispatched to fire calls like it's common in many places in the US
"and it’s smaller" all depends on the truck chassis configuration. Can get it as standard 2 axle truck, or with 3, or 4 axles. The only thing I agree on is that we carry less water, simply as we operate at lower gpm but thatfor higher PSI rates.
@@bostonrailfan2427 the TL carries what it needs. It doesn’t have a pump or water tank. This save weigh and keeps it small enough to manoeuvre. I genuinely don’t think people from other countries realise just how narrow our roads are. The trucks we have in a lot of cases have been too big. So a TL will have a dedicated pump to feed it water
Love the Lowry hydrant for supply of water, very nice!
Great video! I too think it’s interesting to see how other FD’s outside the US handle fires and their apparatus. Just curious, it appears as though the ladder truck does not have a hose going to the bucket. Is that true?
Cheers
Doc
The Turntable Ladder does have its own hose system and facility to deliver firefighting media. Just after it arrives you can see firefighters preparing it, but it requires its own dedicated pump and water supply which the 3rd pump prepares.
The first 2 pumps have prioritised their pumping for internal attack and covering jets.
@@duncannew4349 I should have watched the rest of the video…
@@Docdug it’s quite hard to see tbf.
@@duncannew4349 They also only wanted the ladder to stop fire spread on the surface asphalt on the roof, not to drown the crews working inside. Pulling the hosereel up was quick and did the intended job.
In the video they used a hose reel from one of the pump or pump ladder appliances as it looked like they just needed enough water to stop fire spread on the roof and it was quicker . Turntable Ladder and Aerial Ladder Platforms need their own dedicated supply of ( I think ) two 70 ml hose lines . This was good work for a quick attack . The only criticism of either the OIC or Police is a Corden keeping the public back to the side of the road where the cameraman was would have been better . People were wondering around oblivious as firefighters were trying to get stuff done and could potentially have tripped over hoses . People dont need much of an excuse to sue .
5 fire trucks, 40+ firefighters and police for one roof fire in a brick house?? That day must’ve been quiet
London Fire Brigade Policy
First and foremost: We Do NOT Cancel! Once we're rolling, we're arriving!!!
Over-deploy and not need it = Good!
Under-deploy and need more = BAD!!!!
The copper was a British Transport Police officer, more used to dealing with trains, He was on the radio a lot, probably asking "Have the Met even deployed yet????", as local officers are better with cordons/traffic control/crowd control......
As the ad on the bus stop says: "Put it out. Right out." I think they got it. 😁
Cool video! Love from Germany :)
That the kind of fire hydrant system we need in NYC in the middle of the street.
What would be beneficial about that?
@@azul8811 More parking spots!
No matter what you do you still won’t have enough parking spots in NYC. Lol
look up “Lowrey Hydrants” they fell out of favor because of the time it takes to set them up and space needed to carry them on trucks…
@@bostonrailfan2427 , I don’t know the specific type of hydrant you refer to, but underground hydrants can be set up 4 times faster than the American hydrants with all their “ accessories “ the only advantage of American hydrants is the volume of water they can give.
3:47 how blind one can be ...
My Nan and auntie live two doors away from the fire it was bad as the house next door to them the wall set on fire and my auntie was self isolating so she couldn’t go outside. Luckily no one was hurt and the cats that are next door to be nan and aunties house escaped to.
Thank goodness, poor cats x
She couldn't go outside? And there was a fire? Cone on matey comon sense.
American cops need to learn this is how traffic control at a fire works...you stand by your car @12:25 so when it needs moved you are there to do it. Not have fire look for you!
Maybe you’re referring to that viral video where the fire truck rams the police cars? At that incident the police were first on scene, and, despite not having training or protective equipment, ran into the burning building and saved many lives, receiving injuries and burns in the process. But hurr durr they were DoUbLe pArKeD
@@johnb8956 No I'm referring to ones that block an intersection with the car, leave the car and go stand around the trucks with their thumbs up their butts being a Lookie Lou. I've heard command instruct an engine to come and set up at xyz only for the engine to answer find the cop that belongs to this car blocking the way so we can get in.
I've seen it both on YT and here where I live.
Brauchen die ne Schulung für ihr Fahrzeug?
so wie´s aussieht, bräuchten die zum Teil dringend eine
inwiefern denn?
No they don’t
It is fascinating watching the team work.🤔
The most fascinating spectacle: watching the fire, how the river flows and how someone works.
london could not handle a city like los angeles chicago or new york.
london is behind the usa in that firefighting area.
@@georgecoons6872 the London fire brigade have been fighting fires years before The US even existed. UK firefighters focus on fighting fires from the inside. Spraying the building from the ladder is not the priority. Every country has different procedures for their fire fighters because of different things like building materials, building regulations, health and safety regulations etc
George Coons what about BA safety
What they did with this ladder is complete useless......
With all that was going on why is it that the three cyclists tried to get past the Police car that was moving to make way for the other Fire engine!!! Cyclists are a total law unto themselves one nearly side wiped himself against a non-emergency ambulance as the cyclist did not give way at a junction...i mean who is going to come off worse!!!
3:44 LMFAO
I don't give a shite! That was fucking hilarious! 😂😂😂😂
Damn, what went wrong with the monitor in the beginning? Did the firefighter ask for more water?
Why does the fire brigade in London extinguish with the garden hose? Strange...
Because that hose can deliver between 230-415 litres per min, is incredibly maneuverable and is deployed with water flowing in seconds. What you don't see is that layflat 45mm and 70mm hose deployed after.
because in Europe we don't just drown the scene, but we usually operate at lower gpm but thatfor higher PSI rates
@@EnjoyFirefighting Think OP’s European
Im not going to lie, this looked quite unorganized but still not as unorganized as similar videos from the US.
Don't agree, especially we can't see it in closeup.
At approx 3 something you see them using O-Hoses, so they prob used water from the pumpers tank; which in normal in Europe.
Beside from that, to fight fires like this, you need a ladder or boom, which arrived only later.
A former Fireman Friend once said to me:
Running firemen can only be seen in 2 situations:
- In movies
- In the US
Are you, or have you ever, been on the job? When I did it, training was exceptional. The fire service is probably one of the few occupations that covers so many kinds of mixed knowledge into operations. What may appear as unorganized is actually quite organized depending on the situation. I used to shake my head at a fire scene when I would overhear a bystander make a comment; criticizing about something they know little about.
I’m so pleased that you have no intention of lying.
This is really awful.
@@paxundpeace9970 u still watched it 😃
Interesting to see that it's a BTP (British Transport Police) unit that's assisting here.... great job guys.
Great videos
6:15 Very convenient to have “Ground Control” on hand.
That’s a rather clever name for a coffee shop.
Damn why are there suddenly so many "firefighter experts" in this comment section who thinks they know what they're talking about
You don't need to be an expert, you'd think this was an episode from Trumpton.
@@davidcurry4433 not an expert but a bit of knowledge of firefighting, knowing your head from your ass and an iq not starting with a decimal point are all good indicators of when people can make valid comments on a profession they’ve never done.
@@swt2296 Good to see someone trying to defend PPP...
@@davidcurry4433 tell me what exactly was piss poor?
@@swt2296 Try watching the video, all the evidence you need is on the video..
Fascinating how differently the U.K. and the U.S. fight structural fires. Neither is right or wrong. Just very different.
I'm from Montreal. Yes so differents ways to approach a structure fire. Not many firefighters for this kind of building, no one on the rough, no ventilation, I do not see action inside the appartment of the last floor and more.
Here for this kind of call you will have 75 firefighters on the site by 15/20 minutes.
But what I find very bizarre is no man power on the roof. I do not get it! Maby someone from overthere can explane to us why?
@@gillesrenaud6926 I hear you. Many European countries apparently take quite a different approach than North America generally does. Among the larger municipal Fire Departments in the US and Canada I'd imagine that the very first order of business would be to get a hose lines stretched up to the roof and to that top floor! AND, have at least one aerial placed to the roof, and another aerial to the top floor. No criticism whatsoever is intended, it's just that I believe that to be a prudent course of action based on the conditions found upon arrival. I'll also mention that it is difficult tell from the video where the guys are operating, so I am not critiquing them.
Also, just because the LFB run aerial ladder and tower ladder type apparatus, doesn't mean that they operate as "Truck Companies." They don't. There is not a crew with a boss aboard. The Aerial devices ride with only 2 firefighters on the rig, and they are not necessarily tasked with performing any "Truck Work" as we might be familiar with. And if the information on Wikipedia is current, there are only 11 aerial devices fielded by the LFB. Seven Aerial Ladder Platforms and four Turntable Ladders to cover a city of 8.6 million.
As a matter of fact, I believe that the LFB typically dispatch only 2 Engines for a phone alarm reporting a building fire. No ladder trucks, no chief, just two Engines. (Or at least they did up until mid 2017). Again, it's no criticism of the Firefighters. I just think that those guys are under staffed and under equipped. And I'd imagine that impacts one's strategy and tactics.
@@gillesrenaud6926 my Australian Fire Fighter friends consider venting and standing on the roof very hazardous. Here they have reeled hoses that can be put to use very quickly, while others hook up to a hydrant. Most house fires here in Queensland are much fiercer due to entirely wooden and brick veneer house. Without seeing what is going on inside the terrace house, externally this looks very tame.
The house is a townhouse and venting isn’t done
yeh Americans rock up with 4 massive tower ladders and 2 engines with Q sirens being blared heard 20 miles away and abusing their horn when nobody is there. When they get on scene to a fire they just stand their with their BBQ setup and their double cheeseburger cooking in the fire. At least the British actually does something about the fire.
Not just that but a car crash for example...they send tower ladders to a 2 car crash- such a waste of resources!
Beautiful Houses
Is that hydrant that can collapse under the street when not in use ?
Summets like that
No, it has to have hardware connected to it. Not a very efficient design.
totalsafeuk.com/london-fire-hydrants/
No, you just unscrew it and put the lid back on.
@@Chris_Sokol it can’t get much more efficient. Literally requires a standpipe key and bar to operate……
No branches are carried on the pump ladders
Why did a British Transport Police officer attend and not the Met?
Probably because they were closer to the scene. In London, all police officers listen into the same shout line
An enjoyable video.
I am puzzled as to why the ladder truck came back down to get that thick yellow cord to hook up to their bucket after they already ran hose to the side of the ladder truck
Absolutely no control or cordon keeping pedestrians out of working area. What were the police doing? See 03:45
16:30 they start putting up cordon
I hope they were ok
Bless the fire brigade..helping that lady up x
At 8:34 we can see that the crew in the bucket are grabbing it of the ground
Probably didn’t have time to connect it properly
Great work LFB
Watching the viewer retention graph, I couldn't understand why people kept rewinding at 3:45. Then I watched it for myself. XD
Poor woman. Hope she enjoyed her trip!
How inconvenient, I've had to cross the road thanks a lot.
Decimates?
Couldn’t stop laughing at 3:45 when the lady tripped over lol 😂 great job done by the fire brigade nice job done by the guy who made the video
The question remains.. How??
lol I couldn’t stop laughing how she couldn’t see them hoses across the road it just shows how much we are in our own little world
I might have been her flat!!!
So, they couldn't attach a hose to the ladder, and the guy needed to descend the lift again to get a small hose that would be useless if the fire was getting bigger. To me, this was a lack of preparedness. They need to train better in the use of their equipment.
The colour of the smoke indicated to me that water was being put into the fire from underneath. Blasting water from above would bring slates down on the freighters below. Been there ,got the "T" shirt.
@@patgeorge1 yes,but the issue in the first place was; that they seem to use a lot of time to attach additional equipment to the latter ,and then end up not to be able to use it anyway (wrong hose size?) so if the fire was getting out of hand they wouldnt have been able to help
Yeah, you seem to know a lot from a single smartphone’s footage.
You are clueless.
To me, you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, you nonce.
No SCBA?
Inside the building yes
Maybe it’s just me, but they seemed a tad bit slow getting their gear in place and set up. I only see fire trucks and no fire engines with the water inside them. Maybe they don’t have those over there? If my apartment was close by, I would expect them to move a lot faster.
All of the vehicles except the aerial have ready use water supplies on-board.
BA team has already taken hoses inside
As a firefighter/engineer, I cringed to watch this crew fiddling around with not getting water on this 🔥
HSE. First fuck the rest
I am retired myself
@Thomas Nichol BA teams where actually seen going.
there were people fighting the fire in the inside, also saving peoples pets. this video was like late into the fire. they exhausted all the water in the tanks, using the big hoses.
There were BA teams inside working, everyone on the outside was setting up contingencies incase the initial internal attack failed, all these know it all yanks in the comments without a clue.
That ladder truck is very complicated to setup. It climb fast though.
fire fighting? when? after fire gone?
Fire kills. You can prevent it.
oh really didnt know i gues that isnt obv is it? hmm
3.43 shouldn’t laugh; hope she was okay 👌
3:45
Who is from Islinton here 😃 🙋🏻♀️
London ?
Yes
Great Fires of London. Fireman Sam.
Warum sperrt die Polizei die zufahrt zu der Kreuzung nicht ab
The Metropolitan Police must have been stretched on that day, as this solo police officer is from the British Transport Police.
Why waste crews to just stand around, even that young officer was at a loose end - pubic behaving themselves (for a change) and no need for any more resources......that we could see, maybe there were more on other streets!?!?
@@bananaman100 likely one farther down the road, it’s a decent sized road
Según empiezo a ver el vídeo falta crear un perímetro de seguridad para no entorpecer la salida de personas de este bloque de pisos y facilitar la llegada de ambulancias, bomberos ,etc pienso que es la policía la que tiene que ser la que coordine esté perímetro. Después se observa que están algo descontrolados y es por la falta de rapidez de la misma.
Like a well oiled machine! Very professional!
Apart from the faffing about with getting a hose attached to the monitor on the turntable ladder, then coming straight back down again to change hoses.
@@mrquill3687 Looked like he was just doing a risk assessment to me.
Oiled machine? watching that ladder? LOL!
Ladder wasn’t really required
Oh wow that's shocking , I use to live , near there on fernsbury street
In Germany firefighters do spray from the ladder with no loose hose used, see here:
ua-cam.com/video/VVmPQG5u_3M/v-deo.html
Is a British ladder built different? It appears to be Magirus on Mercedes, so German made?
edit:
I now see, at 17:34 they do connect a hose to the end of the ladder. But, at this time, the fire appears to be out already.
it has but was faulty or smth
therefose used thin one
Nah it just didn’t have the dedicated pump until it well arrived on scene.
il n y a pas que en france que les echelles aerienne avec l eau ne font pas bon ménage
Yeah, they ought not be letting folks walk over hoselines like that. They can trip one up, so they can.
Thank you emergency service
I can't believe they have no idea what to do with the ladder.
with water supply shortage they took the hose from an Engine ... a bit odd but why not ...
I’d say it was lack of a dedicated pump. They were set into hydrants just needed the pump to utilise it
They didn’t really need it
Im suprised they didnt tape of the area to keep back the public. would have stopped the lady falling over too.
At least three drivers/officers arrived with no jacket, trousers, gloves or helmets?? Wtf
3:45 there's hose pipes there mate
I did not know London fire hydrant is under the street and not on the sidewalk
Same in The Netherlands.
Quite clearly
Taking too damn long setting up the hose😐
Attack lines and supply lines take a while to set up, especially in England where fire hydrants are under ground and have to be taken out and in other countries they don’t have to also in England there’s not as many anddd there’s 2 hookups on fire hydrants meanwhile in America they have 3 hookups
there were at least two going in the first time the videographer showed the front, they look like they’re setting up the second or third engine there with at the intersection hydrant
Already gone inside with a hose when the video starts
3:45 is worth a watch
I only see 3 apparatus at this fire a scene. The same fire in the US would have 10 to 15 on scene....Huge difference on the way operations are handles over there than here..
outstanding footage! i cringe at seeing no ladders up to the windows in either the front or back but then again different countries have different routines and methods of fighting fires
funny, i’m watching this and my local fire engine went by on an alarm investigation 🤣
They had BA crews committed to the inside. We fight fires in occupied buildings from the inside. Also we have far more control over our BA men, know where they are and what they are tasked to do, maintain exit routes and know their turn around times. No ladders were needed in this case. If there were they would have pitched them.
If they don’t need ladders they don’t need ladders
Why he's going op and down whit out water strange
That's raw fire. Blood
They have hydrants on the road
In UK they are underground covered by a drain cover, not like usa sticking out the ground.
In the middle of the road no one is even thinking of parking there....
@@hossibaer9194 and that's how we don't have the issue of hydrants getting blocked ^^
@@EnjoyFirefighting There's also the solution of busting out the cars glass, running the hose through and hooking up to the hydrant. Problems solve. Plus the nice policeman will give you a personal invitation to speak with a judge about your parking brilliance...
@@robertmcsorley4001 it doesn't solve any problem; That might be an option for cars parked in front of an above ground hydrant, which seems to be an issue especially in the US. Over here we simply don't have any above ground hydrants which could be blocked by parked cars. There's only a tiny percentage of above ground hydrants left here, it's super rare to see one at all.
However, so far the topic wasn't even cars parked right in front of a hydrant and the FD not getting to the hydrant, but it was about the FD not being able to access the street they need to go to in order to reach the sceene; Smashing the window wouldn't have any purpose if the truck still isn't able to reach the scene; So, moving the car without damaging it is the goal to give space to the apparatus to proceed ... might still be some distance to the scene
Nice to see a shiny black Chelsea tractor parked up and never seen a county lane or been off road. 😉
Time stamp?
Maybe that lady needs borrow my white cane to help her see where she going after all how the hell do you trip over a large fire hose
had the right equipment but took time to put them in to action, i wish they could donate them equipment to us
Already had a team inside
One police officer at the scene and its enough, great people there.
We ain't that great in Islington
These are the folks that delt with The Blitz...they say...
Why are you saying that
@@oscarosullivan4513 The longstanding reputation of the UK fire service to its citizens from the Blitz through present day.
Great Fire of London.
OK tower up. Whoops, I forgot the darn hose tower down. OK got it this time. Tower up. Hope the chief didn’t see that.
london needs new york city type fire hydrants. 4000 a minute output
Every country is different
The output from the hydrants is fine, but the water can only flow as fast as the pump that is pumping it. That is why hydrants are so prevelant in London, and so well hidden. You know there is a fire locally when your kitchen/bathroom water supply suddenly dwindles to nothing..........
The issue is that the ALP needs its own, dedicated Dual Pump Appliance to get the pressures up high enough. The first two pumps on scene were busy supplying their crews, who were already attacking from the inside.
When the third DP arrived from A24 Soho, it was immediately tasked to be the dedicated PL for the ALP, which is when the yellow high-capacity lines were pulled out and connected.
They don’t current system works fine
We dont? Why would you blindly suggest that? What makes you think our Hydrants are inadequate?
"Assistance message Make pumps 25" lol fair play to them they got the TL set up fairly quickly
shame they didn't have a pumper to feed it with water.
What time was that message put out
having a ladder without water isn’t much use - at the end of the video the main feed into the base still wasn’t on
@@eliotmansfield As I understand it an interior attack is preferred, hence all the hoses going in through the front door. If you’re squirting a heap of water from the sky on to the firefighters inside putting out the fire you end up in all sorts of mess. You’ve also got a finite amount of pressure and feeds so you use them where they’re needed most, which is inside. However, IANAFF etc
@@milkypirateuk I would imagine that buildings such as these roof access can be gained from the top floor. (via a roof bulkhead or a a scuttle.) Is that accurate? I ask because I'd assume that one hose line would be operated at the roof level, and one positioned on the top floor. I didn't see evidence of a hose line operating line on the roof. Any thoughts about that?
Hose after hose is laid out, but none of them carry water. so ridiculous..!
Controlled chaos....
alot of fire fighters standing there having conversations
Their job tbh is just lining up hoses then just let the ladder truck do the job
They must have watched too many FDNY videos. 😜🤣🤣
Could be relaying information