Queen Jennah: That looks like one, but it's actually the Krytan Spiderwort. It'll bloom soon, and its petals give you the most luscious dyes. It's my favorite flower. It hides its true potential from most and then blossoms into something great. Happy hunting, Commander.
Lyssa had always stuck me as one to play all sides. Not one to truly play neutral. She would side with the other gods and banish Balthazar while at the same time slipping Balthazar a nail file baked into a cake to help him break out. Lyssa always comes out on the winning side
Lyssa is the opposition to all other gods. She contrasts Balthazar's Fire with her Water, Kormir's Truth with her Illusions, Dwayna's Order with her Chaos, Grenth's Hideousness with her Beauty, and Melandru's Oneness-with-nature with her Duality. Whether Anet realizes it or not (and they probably don't) they have a bottomless well of spectacular plot devices, all thanks to Lyssa. Very curious to see how (or if) they even use her.
Were you aware there's dialogue specific to human mesmers when examining the mirror after the Balthazar reveal? It openly says Lyssa must've been helping Balthazar. It seemed like a rather big leap to assume, but you don't get that message if you're a human or a mesmer separately. Only if you're a human mesmer.
WP - I have always seen an interesting dynamic between Lyssa and Balthazar since GW1. Chaos and War go hand-in-hand, but Lyssa is the tactician where as Balthazar is the soldier - very much resembling Athena and Ares in Mythology. Because of this, I like the idea that Lyssa was appointed the goddess of water because she was the only god capable of balancing Balthazar as the god of fire. She is his antithesis, and these recent lore bits only further that idea to me. From here, I suspect that Lyssa not only orchestrated the easy release of Balthazar but she also fully anticipated the player’s ability to destroy Balthazar. She knew that merely containing him away like Abaddon was foolish. Instead, she freed him and gave him the mirror as a false indication that she was on his side. In actuality, she was marking him to be destroyed by the races of Tyria to “make a choice that only a mortal can make” as she stated near the events of Nightfall. Thoughts?
Hmm good theory. Its something that would be fitting to Lyssa. Her orchestrating the release of Balthazar would also explain how Rytlock and his Sword got to the godly douchebag. Perhaps she knew that Balthazar was someone to hold such a grudge and that Balthazar would destroy whole worlds as collateral damage ( quite fitting for a former god of war. ) just to get his way. She knew that his punishment ( which for someone like Balthazar would be a fate worse than death ), would not ensure the safety of the worlds, the mists and the gods in the long run. But for some things she had to gamble quite a lot. I mean Balthazar fucking killed us.... Hmm perhaps the other ghost that helped us wasn't a ghost but Lyssa in disguise. Still a lot gambling here.
What an interesting theory! It is possible that Lyssa knew that gambling with the fate of Tyria by releasing Balthazar was a smaller risk than having an all-out war between Balthazar and the other gods... Remember that Kormir claimed that the war between the gods and Abaddon created the Desolation.
this isn't really kormir claim - this is well established Nightfall lore - crystal desert and desolation are direct effects of the five vs abaddon combat that happened on the face of tyria.. - altho from what I understood drying up of the sea was the immediate effect, and the sulfurous desolation become a thing slowly later as the sulfur was said to originate from the mouth of torment
This video doesn't come to a particularly sharp point, but I think the subject material is really worth talking about. So let's do it! Tomorrow will be a really weird video I promise not a single person will be able to predict. Though you're welcome to try, 100g if you can guess correct (but not really).
A long time ago there was a town in Vabbi where a pair of twins lived, one was named Lyss and the other was named Ilya. They looked as identical as two drops of water and lived a joyful life with their parents, until their first day of school began where they were harassed by their classmates with curses that ruined their confidence. The two girls with each half of a broken heart decided to run away into the desert so that the town wouldn't have to see their atrocity again, but when the night fell upon them they realized they were lost and knew not how to return home. Discouraged by regrets and worn down with fatigue they decided to give up and wait out their death in each others arms. Yet their wistful conclusion would not come true as a pack of Kodash foxes appeared like a mirage and surrounded them with all their grace and allure. The foxes saw that the two girls were fractured in both body and spirit and decided that they would teach them the ways of illusion and love. The next morning the town was introduced to the Goddess Lyssa, a beautiful woman admired by all citizens who fell to their knees in wish for her blessings. But when she asked for the whereabouts of her parents she was informed that they had traveled out into the desert to look for their daughters and never returned home. The illusion of Lyssa was then ruptured like her heart and resulted in an explosion so large that the town was fully erased from the ground. The only thing left remaining were the twins Lyss and Ilya who vowed to forever put human integrity to the test and bless those who are able to see the beauty behind illusion.
when I was wandering around in the domain of Vabbi, I noticed that Lyssa's statues are still there, as well as some statues of the other dogs. I saw one for Melandru while there as well, and wondered why Joko had not demolished them.
Gods and Dragons are actually in balance : Balthazar and Primordus (Fire), Dwayna and Jormag (Air/Cold), Grenth and Zhaitan(Death), Melandru and Mordremoth(Earth), The Deep Sea Dragon and Kormir (Depths, think Abbadon), Lyssa actually thus fits Kralkatorik, both in her color motif, and it's chaotic influences.
My personal theory on the nature of Lyssa is unlike the other gods she can actually be in two places at once. So she can be one entity but also divide herself to function as two independent entities. But these are still god level and not avatars. Avatars in GW always stuck me as independent beings that were highly devoted to their patron God and not just lesser aspects or slivers of the gods themselves
By the way, Balthazar called rytlock friend for letting him out and was going to spare him. So we know his personality there. By not cursing Lyssa, she had to have done something beneficial for him. She's also his "friend" Can't be a mistake from the devs leaving her name out.
Hey WP, I was just replaying episode 6 of LWS3 to get to Siren's Landing, and I noticed when you're leaving the first instance, and the Priest of Balthazar is mocking you for not sparring with him, he asks one of the other priestess to spar, he asks the priestess of Lyssa. It may just be a coincidence or maybe an easter eggy "nudge" toward the suggestion of Balthazar and Lyssa being in cahoots.
Ares and Aphrodite were known to have a torrid love affair... assuming the devs took influence from the greek pantheon, Balthazar definitely fits Ares domain of war and fire. Lyssa being the goddess of beauty is all you need to link her to Aphrodite. Could it be more than a friendship?
One thing I've thought over (more recently after watching this video) is about the instance with Kormir in the storyline. You mentioned Lyssa mocked Kormir for wanting to stay behind on Tyria, and I've thought, what if she did that as a way of rushing Kormir (and the other Gods) away, possibly leaving Lyssa behind without them realising. They are so quick to leave, and with Lyssa pushing them, that they don't realise she isn't possibly leaving herself.
Kormir said that balthazar is not one of the six, the way that this is worded makes me think balthazar was replaced. What if Lyssa was split into two? bit farfetched but heyo. I did think a while ago that the Lyssa technically being two beings could explain why Kormir didn't keep two powers, maybe Lyssa could contain more. Maybe kormir being a new goddess couldn't handle it. What if this fits into the forgotten's idea of sharing the magic between powerful entities?
"not one of the six" IS very particular wording, and worth paying attention to. It implies there are still six. I think the gods are going to start playing a bigger role in the story, among everything else that's going on. Or maybe not, this could have easily been the nail in the coffin of the gods interaction with tyria.
what do you mean by "could explain why Kormir didn't keep two powers" -what two powers? The only power she got from abaddon was dominion over water magic. He was called the 'god of secrets' because he was the keeper of secrets, there's no 'secrets magic'. And if there was then kormir would automatically be goddess of secrets right? but instead she *chose* to call herself goddess of truth. That's why balthazar was "the god of war" -because he loved war but his powers were fire magic.
SoulSlesh I think the words secrets and truth both refer to them being gods of knowledge. And although there isn't a tangible 'knowledge magic' or 'power', I think it's still significant enough for there to be a god for it. If being God of water and the sea was abandons main domain, he wouldn't be called God of secrets. It seemed more like an additional power, as the depths hide secrets, and maybe that's why kormir gave it up, because she chose the title of truth
Well to me that seems more of a role/occupation rather than a power. For instance someone can be a warlord without godly powers but if they happen to have dominion over fire magic they can become 'the god of war'. Similarly abaddon's godly powers were probably over water magic however he *chose* to be the keeper of knowledge and secrets. When kormir replaced him, along with his godly powers she probably gained access to his collection of knowledge and secrets and she *chose* to share at least some of those secrets and knowledge thus calling herself 'goddess of truth'. That said godly powers or not any mortal can be a keeper of knowledge -what makes her a god is the insane amounts of magic she absorbed from abaddon (that happens to be water magic). She could have given that knowledge to a random mortal and instead call herself 'the goddess of soup'. However if she would have indeed given all her water magic to lyssa -that would mean kormir is not a goddess anymore -just a random keeper of knowledge.
I don't think there's different types of magic (like water, fire etc) in GW universe, just that magic is channeled to enable abilities to work. However, I think, like a lot of gw2 lore, this situation is just down to bad writing; sure kormir gave over the mantle of god of water to lyssa, but I don't think that means she gave away any magic in the process.
@WP: Really liked this video and since I will be unable to enjoy Gw1 a few times a month til after Xmas I really like hearing your thoughts on how GW2 will handle the gods leaving and such. Personally I hope if they have truly left we spend LW season 4 establishing one of the new gods to take their place.
Lyssa is the deep sea elder dragon, and her duality is that she is also the god. Abbadon kept it a secret cuz he was the god of secrets. Kormir learned about it and decided to give water dragon water power, cuz they are on same side anyways and would prob make better use of it. Balthazar was working with elder dragon lyssa to kill elder dragons so it's power could be absorbed. Lololol
There was this weird scene in Living Story 3 where you're talking about Elder Dragons in the Priory library/archives and a character lists Elder Dragons. When they get to the Deep Sea dragon, they just awkwardly forget the name. Coincidentally, this is about when it was revealed Lyssa gained her water domain from Kormir. I believe there is a scene like that with Taimi as well in the Dragon lab. It's just weird that the name has been literally forgotten twice by characters that should know it. Oh, and the Thaumanova Reactor was researching Chaos magic which ended up being dragon magic. Coincidence? Zhaitan's MESMER knew to steal the Krait Orb which suppressed Zhaitan's minions and was suspected to originate from the Deep Sea Dragon. Deep Sea Dragon is Lyssa. She talks to the gods with one body/persona and does Elder Dragony things with the other persona. Also the Largos wear masks that are oddly similar to Lyssa's statue mask from an old concept art. The Largos were also pushed out by the Deep Sea Dragon. i.pinimg.com/736x/ee/93/ef/ee93ef5516fa7d3498afc67da3e9edac--game-concept-concept-art.jpg Also, Kekai Kotaki's concept art for the Deep Sea dragon has two heads. wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Dragon_16_concept_art.jpg COINCIDENCE?!? Lyssa is the Deep Sea Dragon.
This was fantastic to listen to, thanks! I particularly love the parable of the gods: they give so much more depth and interest to the lore behind the human gods. It's a shame that what the community thinks of the subject does not go beyond repeating memes about Kormir or saying that "the gods are useless as usual". As it is a shame, I think, that with all the opportunities they had in PoF, the best the devs could do with the gods was them saying "Sorry, we are leaving, but you can do it on your own". I sincerely hope you are right, and there's more about it involving Lyssa or any other god, but at the moment I am quite skeptical.
Facts pushing for Lyssa actually being important: 1. Balthazar somehow had her mirror (perhaps she have it to him). 2. Kormir said "...even Lyssa" in reference to agreement to banishing Balthazar. 3. Balthazar never cursed Lyssa before his death. 4. WP mentioned that it seemed as though someone had been 'there' before us (in Kormir's sanctum and Kesho) - perhaps this was Lyssa.
In the sheltered docks at malchor's leap, you can do a history quiz on Orr and the gods. One of the questions asks, which god liked to stand among the humans. I am unsure who the answer was, it was either Melandru or Lyssa. Either way, it all can be a plot to safe Tyria. With the gods going and one trying to doom the world, using Balthazar as a way to guide the mortals into a certain direction could be the way to go. An illusion/deception by Lyssa to put us on the right path, by sacrificing one of their own. Or Balthazar knew what he was about to do and thus was that much of a cartoon villian.
Yes, Lyssa lore! I'm not going to lie, if Lyssa ends up in the story, I just desperately want Lyss and Ilya to be on opposite sides of this conflict. Though you do make an interesting point: despite the "twin" theme, everyone really seems to treat Lyssa like a single entity. If she is indeed going to get more development in the near future, I'll be very interested to see where they go with it. Just so long as it isn't Queen Jennah.
In the story Instance Kormir does make comment about Lyssa's Mirror being an artifact powerful enough to hide a being from the eyes of the gods and its now obvious Kormir did remain until she went off to whoever knows where at the end of the story instance.
The very few pure water spells that elementalists had in GW1 were more akin the Mesmer spells anyway. So it really always made sense that Lyssa would have been patron of water. I think the story about the transfer of power from Kormir to Lyssa was just to clean that part up.
+WoodenPotatoes you need to bind your mount like you suggested to everyone else to do but then you don't do it. Also what if one of the characters that we interact with is Lyssa in hiding. I also agree with what someone said, if you are a human mesmer and you check out the mirror your human mesmer says that Lyssa helped Balthazar. Here is an idea "what if Lyssa gave Balthazar her mirror"
15:50 Wasn't Lyssa the goddess of Water before Kormir? As in, after casting Abbadon down she got that part of his portfolio and Grenth got the Ice bit.
Lyssa is related to chaos and manipulation. Also it could be related to Kralkatorik. Kralkatorik is related to Glint (and Vlast and Aurene). Glint was the main influence that moved the character forward in GW1 manipulating us through half told prophecies. Also Lyssa could be related to crystals and that opens a whole new level of manipulation and chaos (the searing, crystal sea turning into crystal desert, Kralkatorik and the branded, etc)
wow This champ train that you guys are doing is really fun I'm wishing for me to be able to get POF soon but can't at the moment budget is tight, makes me wanna go back into playing again, I miss the Qdale train and the orr train, and the core dungeon farm, I hate raids, 1 because I cant play a lot of the time and dont know anyone anymore since all of my friends stopped playing also. Im just playing for story atm and finishing the LS3 and the map completions on HOT still is hard.
I notice Balthazar is very very kind to the people that helped him, like how he chooses to spare Rytlock, and even not curse Lyssa even if she eventually agreed to imprison him, her help with the mirror makes Balthy like her too.
I want to know who Balzathar's Herald was. The first story step had way too much personal conversation between her and the player, to just be a new generic villain.
Tyresidon Not entirely. Devona could have ended up the hall of heros. I don't think the devs said anything in regards to this theory when one guy asked during AMA if the herald was Devona. She has similarities as for wielding hammer, mention of heroine past. Devona was a member of ascalons chosen, (also that comes to mind is that Ascalon was a campaign of Balths favor to make humans the most dominant race). Other than that, she strived to become like her father. Not everything mentioned by wiki is canon.
One key point about the mirror: Kasmeer knew about the mirror. That implies that the mirror exists in Tyrian mythology, meaning that she had to have given it to him more than 250 years ago, and thus it is highly unlikely that she gave it to him as part of some nefarious plot.
In the cinematic from the end of Season 3 if you pause on the right frame a face of a woman who seems to be weeping appears in the fire beside Balthazar for a split second. It was the only face to appear in that fire. I think Lyssa should have been more present in PoF. Even if it was merely Kormir telling us more about her actions when they cast down Balthazar.
My own personal theory is that Abaddon killed one of the Lyssa twins and took water from her. When Kormir rose, she gave it back to the surviving twin. It was described in the first game that Abaddon defeated 2 of the gods, but it did not say which ones. I interpreted this to be the Lyssa twins, and he was cast down into torment for the crime of destroying what may have been a demi-god. Not sure if any lore supports this, I could be very wrong.
@3:27 Didn't Kormir say that the gods didn't know Balthazar was in tyria because he was hiding with the mirror? @10:00 That story about Lyssa sounds rather similar to that of who the prince became the beast in Beauty and the Beast.
WP, I keep seeing you selecting a new mount by clicking through the interface. In case you didn't know, there are hotkeys you can assign to each individual mount. To mention something more on topic, there was a line from Glint where she wondered what the Forgotten had told the Six that she didn't know. Because this is in the context of Glint fighting Kralkatorrik, and the Forgotten are believed to have been servants of the Six, it makes me wonder if really the Forgotten somehow created the Six as an attempt to fight the Elder Dragons. It takes me down a bit of a rabbit hole into thoughts about the motives of the Six, but that line stood out to me as something odd to discuss. The Forgotten dealt with Glint longer than they did the Six, didn't they? Or maybe they abandoned Glint to work on their new project, the Six?
I'm Looking back at the End of Dragons trailer in light of this video. All of the pink fog and other motifs look like they could elude to Lyssa. Also, Kunavang is having a conversation with someone where she references the canthans "built their lives upon the very thing that sought to end theirs" which could be a dragon, in which case who is kunavang talking to; Lyssa? Lyssa could have promised balthazar power if she helped him "end the dragons". Sidenote, Abbadon have known too much (the secrets) so they locked him away, Kicking off the chain of events that ended with Lyssa having the power of water as well. It may be a reach but If we dont know how to beat the water dragon and Lyssa IS speaking in the trailer that may be why it does "...have to be this way" and "they need me"(lyssa).
There is a Priest of Lyssa on Queensdale which says Lyssa is the goddess of water because water is the most perfect mirror of all. I think this is all they ever mentioned about Lyssa being the goddess of water. Kormir indeed said that Balthazar was hiding so the gods wouldn't notice him (especially because he was using another god's magic). They never told us how he got this Lyssa item tho, plus Balthazar not cursing Lyssa is indeed a nice observation. I would really like if they explore more about the gods' lore and such. But maybe they should focus a bit on norn since their story is never explored and we know so little about their spirits. But hey WP, on the wiki Tengu page says they posses an ancient lost knowledge about the elder dragons, and they are very aware of their cycle of awakening and such. Could it be this the information on how to defeat them while not killing them?
Although overall I find the PoF story to be really good and well done, the Kormir part being my favorite even, I still can't help but to feel they made it seem like they are closing the chapter of the gods, which makes makes me sad because I really enjoy that facet of the lore. But then I also noticed the little hints about Lyssa that I feel like are way too explicit to not mean anything. I really hope they get back to the Gods, there's so much cool stuff they could do with them!
I felt like it was setting stuff up for when we are either finished with the Dragon's or screwd up so bad we need to find soemthing beyond tyria to fix stuff
That's interesting. I feel like it's opened up many more questions about the gods. Before, they were just some people far away in the mists, but now they've been brought much closer to the story.
What if Lyssa has some plans to do with Kralkatorrik? If we assume she's Jennah, then she already saved Krak once (from Destiny's Edge) and then potentially set Balth up to be killed by the Commander with Kralk nearby, and now Kralk is super powerful and Lyssa might be the only god around. I know it's very far fetched by do quite enjoy the sound of it. :P
Lyssa being twins could just be a metaphor for her having 2 selves, Lyssa of light and Lyssa of dark. Maybe the devs named the other twin because she's a multiple.
u said pof didnt explain a reason y balthazar hid as lazerus the dire, but kormir did say balthazar was hiding untill the gods left and they couldnt stop him [because he was too weak to fight back against the gods] but as he said in lws3 ep.5 when we reveal him, it does not matter now and this i think is because his power levels r high enough and the gods where alrdy departing
I think you're missing the real question here. WHERE did BALTHAZAR GO when Rytlock released him? I'm refering the first portal he made after Rytlock left, what would been his first visit to start his rebellion? Would he be able to gain the mirror prior to said events? As we saw he did had nothing on him. This could say 100% lissia is the one who is messing with everyone if so.
The twins without a bloodstone. Endless power, without a vessel to fill. A neural spark of imagination, without substance in reality. Yet who can truly say when reality is within the eyes of the beholder. The twins are the best, and so are the mesmers.
With Balthazar the whole imprisonment thing seemed shoddy at best. A few chains and a sword capable of cutting them just out of reach? How did the sword get there? Was it left to taunt Balthazar? Was it drawn to him? Or was it left as a potential escape? Lyssa is two faced, literally and figuratively.
Sohothin was likely drawn to Balth for either him or his eternals forged those swords (Magdaer included) in his name by his categorized magic of fire. They were given to Doric's descendants as they started their conquest upwards Ascalon.
Where is the source about Kormir giving Lyssa the power of Water? 15:20 I can't find a reference to that anywhere. All I can find are fans already naming Lyssa as the goddess of beauty, water and illusion and that she obtained the power of water after Abandons death while Kormir took up the power of Truth/Secrets.
Nope, nothing there mentioning Kormir giving anything to Lyssa. Lyssa isn't even mention on that wiki page (wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World)
Human week, I think, though I can't find any wiki backups online to verify it? Could have been somewhere else, too, but I remember the sentence doesn't offer anything more than the simple fact that water shifted from one god to the other if that's why you're looking for it. There are no insights there, as I recall.
At least the power of water is described to be hers in game, when you choose the god that blessed you during the creation of a human character : wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Biography#Human
Hey wp, this might be very far into the future, could it be possible if lyssa could lead us to bubbles the water dragon since she is the goddess of water in some way? Feels like the story is going to lead us to lyssa at some point
Domainof the Lost seems working just fine without his direct supervision so it isn't a huge leap to say others domains of afterlife works just right as well?
One thing else to note is from 2012... during the fight with the Risen Priestess of Lyssa. 50% health Risen Priestess of Lyssa: Zhaitan will devour you, just as he devoured our gods. 25% health Risen Priestess of Lyssa: My goddess was mere prey for the dragon. Despair! Is it just Risen trying to make the human Pact members give up? Probably. But I'd expect more than one of the priests/priestesses to use that tactic. It'll be really cool to see where this goes in the future!
One thing I'm wondering about is the status of our character "the commander" which has killed two elder dragons, absorbed a lot of magic, came back from death and killed a god. The last character that was present at the death of a god became a god. Is the Commander on the path to becoming more than a mortal or even a god?
That's like saying a elephant at ground zero of a nuclear explosion absorbed all the radiation and everyone else nearby is fine. Balthazar dying was like a small magic nuke going off; the Commander and Aurene were directly at ground zero. Granted he wasn't fully powered up yet but it was still a lot of magical energy. The Commander was also near at a bloodstone explosion. The Commander has to have a hell of a lot of magical energy in her. More than any other mortal.
Don't forget that Balthazar was no god anymore. He was replaced and stripped of his godhood for quite a time. What we killed was more like a Demi-God. Insanely powerful but without his divine powers. And what was absorbed by Kralkatorrik was mostly magic from the Bloodstone with some Primordus and Jormag sparkles. So whoever the new God of War is now, we don't know. But we are no God Slayer now. ( It might change but right now we aren't ) And on the topic on the commander and containing a lot of magic. There was a small plot point in the current events that we have quite a lot of magic in us. So much that we suffered from magic poisoning. ( The stuff with the hallucinations ) But with a very old artifact we could get rid off the side effects. And while all the stuff that happened from vannila to now had an effect on the mental health of the commander our character is one of two sane people with that amount of magic available ( only two if you count Xera ). I guess we can hold such amount of magic since we are a dragon champion now. ( and that small device helping us to gain magic without harming ourselves )
Lyssa being Queen Jenna would fit pretty well beyond witnessing the enormous power exerted in shielding Divinity's Reach. Queen Jenna helped to spearhead the fight against Zhaitan and is an influential figure in the Pact. If killing Elder Dragons creates chaos, which Lyssa thrives upon, then maybe she has the same idea as Balthazar. Maybe Lyssa is doing what Balthazar tried to do in order to gain more power, and just used the god of fire as a pawn. She would just be doing this in a secretive and manipulative fashion, which would be in character for her. Getting the player character and the Pact to kill dragons for her would make sense.
I think it'd be a really cool twist if we found out that Lyssa was behind everything and was the real antagonist. Perhaps she could have been the one to push Balthazar to go against the Gods in the first place.
What if it wasn't Balltaser but just an illusion of lyssa? I mean. Why should one of lyssa's illusions curse lyssa? And why was that whole scene about balltaser so weird. And it could even explain why balltaser had that thingy from lyssa.
Theory that just hit me: Lyssa trapped Joko in the mists. If we assume that Lyssa and Balthazar were working together then maybe you can say that Lyssa asked Balthazar to lead Joko into the mists and trap him as punishment for removing Lyssa's influence in Elona. This all depends on how Joko is handled in Season4, because he was chained with Balthazar's chains which may disappear now. This also leads into a 2nd theory that Lyssa tricked the other gods into leaving as she stays behind. Should this be the case we will see Joko get freed then maybe very soon after Lyssa swoops in and knocks Joko over even harder.
Balthazar stole the Mirror wich was stored in the Reliquary of the Gods he also took some other Artifacts from there wich are mentioned in several parts of the Game (he took stuff from Lyssa,Kormir and his beloved Melandru) i doubt the Story will be about Lyssa because Kormir stated before everyone except Balthasar left the World. Kormir cant lie as Goddess about the fact that everyone left the World and after the incident with Abbadon no one of the Five would Dare to Fight each other thats why they exiled Balthasar instead of killing/fighting against him....
With Pawala Joko back in the story, more importantly, in the mists, do you think him and Mad King Thorn will do battle again this Halloween as they did in Gw1? Great video also!
read your book from the collector's edition of Nightfall: Chapter two, the 5 True Gods: Melandru statues show her as a tall winged dryad rising from a tree-shapped base. Grenth is portray with the body of a man and the narrow skull of a beast. Balthazar is shown holding a greatsword, sometimes with a pair of faithful battle hounds sitting at his feet, some eleonian portrays him with majestic lions. Dwayna is shown as a tall slender woman rising above the ground on feathered wings. Finally, Lyssa, the two goddesses, twin figures of exquisite beauty entwined in an eternal dance. The mask may change and the dance may change, but Lyssa's dual nature does not. She is beautiful to some and terrifying to others. The picture of Lyssa, or in game facing her, Lyssa has a mask with 4 faces. GW1 heroes: Koss, Dunkoro, Melonni, Tahlkora, Acolyte Sousuke, Acolyte Jin, ZHED (when having to disguise as corsair to save Kormir, Zhed famous phrase: 'what am I supppose to be, your mascott?'), Margrid, Norgu, Goren, Olias, Master of Whisper, Zenmai, Razah
I have a little offtopic question: I've noticed in your Path of Fire videos that there are a few framedrops in some places. I'm having the same problem that it goes to like 40 or 30 fps sometimes while Central Tyria and Heart of Maguuma are at 60 to 80 fps (sometimes it goes a bit lower there as well but it depends on if it's a heavily crowded area like on world bosses or a large Meta Event) and I'm having the same graphics enabled as you have. Allthough I have no problems with the framerate it seems like in the PoF areas it might drop a bit sometimes (which I noticed in the videos as well). So can you confirm that this is a common problem and that there is any fix in sight? (I remember back in the HoT days that the maps were laggy as hell but now playable at 100+fps)
I'll be fine if Lyssa had some hand in Balthazar's return or involvement with the white mantle and the bloodstone but, I would hope they don't have her forsake her followers and a Human race. I find the idea of gods betraying their loyal followers and doing things on their own terms a cliche or too easy to go for with developers. "Hey! What if we have the gods come back and now HURT their followers and the world! For their own gain cause REASONS! HAHA!"
Here's my thoughts: Lyssa deceived Kormir and the other gods that she actually left. She worked with Balthazar to be the sole gods of Tyria and have all the magic to themselves. Maybe when they devoured all the dragon magic and Tyria blows up they were going to make a new world with them as the only deities?
I love these videos but it feels like you're doing ANet's job at actually telling these stories and making them interesting for the community. Almost none of this info would be apparent to someone who played only gw2... and even so, all this info could be circumstantial and not what the devs intended in the first place. It might all even be irrelevant for future events, or never be clarified by the devs, if the gods truly simply just left, as told to us during PoF's story. You always get me hyped and interested in the story but it rarely ever actually gets resolved or confirmed in the game itself :P
Years too late, but one thing I really liked was the fact the gods "left to find a world without the threat of elder dragons". I'm wondering if its a setup for GW3, or a future expansion.
Maybe Lyssa is the playful one, she likes to do tings just to see what happens, you know someone who likes to do things just to see how others will react, shes just watching waiting playing with emotions.
I right away thought those two had a "thang" going on. Like Aries and Aphrodite, even though Lyssa isn't a love goddess. Though she's about as close as you'd get to one in my mind. :)
Queen Jennah: That looks like one, but it's actually the Krytan Spiderwort. It'll bloom soon, and its petals give you the most luscious dyes. It's my favorite flower. It hides its true potential from most and then blossoms into something great. Happy hunting, Commander.
Lyssa had always stuck me as one to play all sides. Not one to truly play neutral. She would side with the other gods and banish Balthazar while at the same time slipping Balthazar a nail file baked into a cake to help him break out. Lyssa always comes out on the winning side
Yep, really good point as of her nature
A flaming nail file baked into a Charr-shaped cake
Try not to fall in love, cub.
Lyssa is the opposition to all other gods. She contrasts Balthazar's Fire with her Water, Kormir's Truth with her Illusions, Dwayna's Order with her Chaos, Grenth's Hideousness with her Beauty, and Melandru's Oneness-with-nature with her Duality. Whether Anet realizes it or not (and they probably don't) they have a bottomless well of spectacular plot devices, all thanks to Lyssa. Very curious to see how (or if) they even use her.
Were you aware there's dialogue specific to human mesmers when examining the mirror after the Balthazar reveal? It openly says Lyssa must've been helping Balthazar. It seemed like a rather big leap to assume, but you don't get that message if you're a human or a mesmer separately. Only if you're a human mesmer.
Oh that's really cool! And the only example of such a specific thing I've heard of before.
WP - I have always seen an interesting dynamic between Lyssa and Balthazar since GW1. Chaos and War go hand-in-hand, but Lyssa is the tactician where as Balthazar is the soldier - very much resembling Athena and Ares in Mythology. Because of this, I like the idea that Lyssa was appointed the goddess of water because she was the only god capable of balancing Balthazar as the god of fire. She is his antithesis, and these recent lore bits only further that idea to me. From here, I suspect that Lyssa not only orchestrated the easy release of Balthazar but she also fully anticipated the player’s ability to destroy Balthazar. She knew that merely containing him away like Abaddon was foolish. Instead, she freed him and gave him the mirror as a false indication that she was on his side. In actuality, she was marking him to be destroyed by the races of Tyria to “make a choice that only a mortal can make” as she stated near the events of Nightfall.
Thoughts?
Hmm good theory. Its something that would be fitting to Lyssa. Her orchestrating the release of Balthazar would also explain how Rytlock and his Sword got to the godly douchebag. Perhaps she knew that Balthazar was someone to hold such a grudge and that Balthazar would destroy whole worlds as collateral damage ( quite fitting for a former god of war. ) just to get his way. She knew that his punishment ( which for someone like Balthazar would be a fate worse than death ), would not ensure the safety of the worlds, the mists and the gods in the long run.
But for some things she had to gamble quite a lot. I mean Balthazar fucking killed us.... Hmm perhaps the other ghost that helped us wasn't a ghost but Lyssa in disguise. Still a lot gambling here.
What an interesting theory! It is possible that Lyssa knew that gambling with the fate of Tyria by releasing Balthazar was a smaller risk than having an all-out war between Balthazar and the other gods... Remember that Kormir claimed that the war between the gods and Abaddon created the Desolation.
this isn't really kormir claim - this is well established Nightfall lore - crystal desert and desolation are direct effects of the five vs abaddon combat that happened on the face of tyria.. - altho from what I understood drying up of the sea was the immediate effect, and the sulfurous desolation become a thing slowly later as the sulfur was said to originate from the mouth of torment
This video doesn't come to a particularly sharp point, but I think the subject material is really worth talking about. So let's do it! Tomorrow will be a really weird video I promise not a single person will be able to predict. Though you're welcome to try, 100g if you can guess correct (but not really).
Surely, it must be a video on the new mini's released in PoF?
hmm maybe core tyria with mounts?
A video about the meta in Vabbi
How to click the mount button efficiently?
Pof rewards discussion maybe
A long time ago there was a town in Vabbi where a pair of twins lived, one was named Lyss and the other was named Ilya. They looked as identical as two drops of water and lived a joyful life with their parents, until their first day of school began where they were harassed by their classmates with curses that ruined their confidence. The two girls with each half of a broken heart decided to run away into the desert so that the town wouldn't have to see their atrocity again, but when the night fell upon them they realized they were lost and knew not how to return home. Discouraged by regrets and worn down with fatigue they decided to give up and wait out their death in each others arms. Yet their wistful conclusion would not come true as a pack of Kodash foxes appeared like a mirage and surrounded them with all their grace and allure. The foxes saw that the two girls were fractured in both body and spirit and decided that they would teach them the ways of illusion and love. The next morning the town was introduced to the Goddess Lyssa, a beautiful woman admired by all citizens who fell to their knees in wish for her blessings. But when she asked for the whereabouts of her parents she was informed that they had traveled out into the desert to look for their daughters and never returned home. The illusion of Lyssa was then ruptured like her heart and resulted in an explosion so large that the town was fully erased from the ground. The only thing left remaining were the twins Lyss and Ilya who vowed to forever put human integrity to the test and bless those who are able to see the beauty behind illusion.
Where is this from?
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when I was wandering around in the domain of Vabbi, I noticed that Lyssa's statues are still there, as well as some statues of the other dogs. I saw one for Melandru while there as well, and wondered why Joko had not demolished them.
Gods and Dragons are actually in balance : Balthazar and Primordus (Fire), Dwayna and Jormag (Air/Cold), Grenth and Zhaitan(Death), Melandru and Mordremoth(Earth), The Deep Sea Dragon and Kormir (Depths, think Abbadon), Lyssa actually thus fits Kralkatorik, both in her color motif, and it's chaotic influences.
So can Lyssa see the future?
My personal theory on the nature of Lyssa is unlike the other gods she can actually be in two places at once. So she can be one entity but also divide herself to function as two independent entities. But these are still god level and not avatars.
Avatars in GW always stuck me as independent beings that were highly devoted to their patron God and not just lesser aspects or slivers of the gods themselves
Exactly. Perhaps half of her is with the gods, while the other half is still in Tyria.
By the way, Balthazar called rytlock friend for letting him out and was going to spare him. So we know his personality there.
By not cursing Lyssa, she had to have done something beneficial for him. She's also his "friend"
Can't be a mistake from the devs leaving her name out.
Hey WP, I was just replaying episode 6 of LWS3 to get to Siren's Landing, and I noticed when you're leaving the first instance, and the Priest of Balthazar is mocking you for not sparring with him, he asks one of the other priestess to spar, he asks the priestess of Lyssa. It may just be a coincidence or maybe an easter eggy "nudge" toward the suggestion of Balthazar and Lyssa being in cahoots.
That thumbnail is SICK. Now I want to replicate it in game, thanks WP you finally found a use for my transmutation charges.
WP bind your mounts to keys already!
Klavak Khazga its funny because he was the one that told us too
Ares and Aphrodite were known to have a torrid love affair... assuming the devs took influence from the greek pantheon, Balthazar definitely fits Ares domain of war and fire. Lyssa being the goddess of beauty is all you need to link her to Aphrodite. Could it be more than a friendship?
A tragic romance would certainly be interesting. ^^
One thing I've thought over (more recently after watching this video) is about the instance with Kormir in the storyline. You mentioned Lyssa mocked Kormir for wanting to stay behind on Tyria, and I've thought, what if she did that as a way of rushing Kormir (and the other Gods) away, possibly leaving Lyssa behind without them realising. They are so quick to leave, and with Lyssa pushing them, that they don't realise she isn't possibly leaving herself.
Videos like this enhance the game so much for me. Thanks WP.
Kormir said that balthazar is not one of the six, the way that this is worded makes me think balthazar was replaced. What if Lyssa was split into two? bit farfetched but heyo. I did think a while ago that the Lyssa technically being two beings could explain why Kormir didn't keep two powers, maybe Lyssa could contain more. Maybe kormir being a new goddess couldn't handle it. What if this fits into the forgotten's idea of sharing the magic between powerful entities?
"not one of the six" IS very particular wording, and worth paying attention to. It implies there are still six. I think the gods are going to start playing a bigger role in the story, among everything else that's going on. Or maybe not, this could have easily been the nail in the coffin of the gods interaction with tyria.
what do you mean by "could explain why Kormir didn't keep two powers" -what two powers? The only power she got from abaddon was dominion over water magic. He was called the 'god of secrets' because he was the keeper of secrets, there's no 'secrets magic'. And if there was then kormir would automatically be goddess of secrets right? but instead she *chose* to call herself goddess of truth. That's why balthazar was "the god of war" -because he loved war but his powers were fire magic.
SoulSlesh I think the words secrets and truth both refer to them being gods of knowledge. And although there isn't a tangible 'knowledge magic' or 'power', I think it's still significant enough for there to be a god for it. If being God of water and the sea was abandons main domain, he wouldn't be called God of secrets. It seemed more like an additional power, as the depths hide secrets, and maybe that's why kormir gave it up, because she chose the title of truth
Well to me that seems more of a role/occupation rather than a power. For instance someone can be a warlord without godly powers but if they happen to have dominion over fire magic they can become 'the god of war'. Similarly abaddon's godly powers were probably over water magic however he *chose* to be the keeper of knowledge and secrets. When kormir replaced him, along with his godly powers she probably gained access to his collection of knowledge and secrets and she *chose* to share at least some of those secrets and knowledge thus calling herself 'goddess of truth'. That said godly powers or not any mortal can be a keeper of knowledge -what makes her a god is the insane amounts of magic she absorbed from abaddon (that happens to be water magic). She could have given that knowledge to a random mortal and instead call herself 'the goddess of soup'. However if she would have indeed given all her water magic to lyssa -that would mean kormir is not a goddess anymore -just a random keeper of knowledge.
I don't think there's different types of magic (like water, fire etc) in GW universe, just that magic is channeled to enable abilities to work. However, I think, like a lot of gw2 lore, this situation is just down to bad writing; sure kormir gave over the mantle of god of water to lyssa, but I don't think that means she gave away any magic in the process.
@WP: Really liked this video and since I will be unable to enjoy Gw1 a few times a month til after Xmas I really like hearing your thoughts on how GW2 will handle the gods leaving and such. Personally I hope if they have truly left we spend LW season 4 establishing one of the new gods to take their place.
Lyssa is the deep sea elder dragon, and her duality is that she is also the god.
Abbadon kept it a secret cuz he was the god of secrets. Kormir learned about it and decided to give water dragon water power, cuz they are on same side anyways and would prob make better use of it.
Balthazar was working with elder dragon lyssa to kill elder dragons so it's power could be absorbed.
Lololol
There was this weird scene in Living Story 3 where you're talking about Elder Dragons in the Priory library/archives and a character lists Elder Dragons. When they get to the Deep Sea dragon, they just awkwardly forget the name. Coincidentally, this is about when it was revealed Lyssa gained her water domain from Kormir. I believe there is a scene like that with Taimi as well in the Dragon lab. It's just weird that the name has been literally forgotten twice by characters that should know it.
Oh, and the Thaumanova Reactor was researching Chaos magic which ended up being dragon magic. Coincidence?
Zhaitan's MESMER knew to steal the Krait Orb which suppressed Zhaitan's minions and was suspected to originate from the Deep Sea Dragon.
Deep Sea Dragon is Lyssa. She talks to the gods with one body/persona and does Elder Dragony things with the other persona.
Also the Largos wear masks that are oddly similar to Lyssa's statue mask from an old concept art. The Largos were also pushed out by the Deep Sea Dragon. i.pinimg.com/736x/ee/93/ef/ee93ef5516fa7d3498afc67da3e9edac--game-concept-concept-art.jpg
Also, Kekai Kotaki's concept art for the Deep Sea dragon has two heads. wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/File:Dragon_16_concept_art.jpg
COINCIDENCE?!?
Lyssa is the Deep Sea Dragon.
This was fantastic to listen to, thanks!
I particularly love the parable of the gods: they give so much more depth and interest to the lore behind the human gods. It's a shame that what the community thinks of the subject does not go beyond repeating memes about Kormir or saying that "the gods are useless as usual". As it is a shame, I think, that with all the opportunities they had in PoF, the best the devs could do with the gods was them saying "Sorry, we are leaving, but you can do it on your own". I sincerely hope you are right, and there's more about it involving Lyssa or any other god, but at the moment I am quite skeptical.
Facts pushing for Lyssa actually being important:
1. Balthazar somehow had her mirror (perhaps she have it to him).
2. Kormir said "...even Lyssa" in reference to agreement to banishing Balthazar.
3. Balthazar never cursed Lyssa before his death.
4. WP mentioned that it seemed as though someone had been 'there' before us (in Kormir's sanctum and Kesho) - perhaps this was Lyssa.
I actually think your point 4 is related to something else, perhaps the order of shadows, but interesting to see you tie it to Lyssa instead!
Rytlock is actually Lyssa. You heard it here first!
brilliant
xDD!
Ahaha excited to hear about your fav god! Also can you make a video telling all the stories of the gods?? (Such as the child lyssa one)
Yeah look back at my one path ends videos, it's all there! Parables of the gods.
WoodenPotatoes gotcha ty!
The library was such a good instance, wish you would have been recording while in there.
In the sheltered docks at malchor's leap, you can do a history quiz on Orr and the gods.
One of the questions asks, which god liked to stand among the humans.
I am unsure who the answer was, it was either Melandru or Lyssa.
Either way, it all can be a plot to safe Tyria. With the gods going and one trying to doom the world, using Balthazar as a way to guide the mortals into a certain direction could be the way to go.
An illusion/deception by Lyssa to put us on the right path, by sacrificing one of their own. Or Balthazar knew what he was about to do and thus was that much of a cartoon villian.
These are my favorite kind of videos :)
Yes, Lyssa lore! I'm not going to lie, if Lyssa ends up in the story, I just desperately want Lyss and Ilya to be on opposite sides of this conflict. Though you do make an interesting point: despite the "twin" theme, everyone really seems to treat Lyssa like a single entity. If she is indeed going to get more development in the near future, I'll be very interested to see where they go with it. Just so long as it isn't Queen Jennah.
In the story Instance Kormir does make comment about Lyssa's Mirror being an artifact powerful enough to hide a being from the eyes of the gods and its now obvious Kormir did remain until she went off to whoever knows where at the end of the story instance.
The very few pure water spells that elementalists had in GW1 were more akin the Mesmer spells anyway. So it really always made sense that Lyssa would have been patron of water. I think the story about the transfer of power from Kormir to Lyssa was just to clean that part up.
+WoodenPotatoes you need to bind your mount like you suggested to everyone else to do but then you don't do it. Also what if one of the characters that we interact with is Lyssa in hiding. I also agree with what someone said, if you are a human mesmer and you check out the mirror your human mesmer says that Lyssa helped Balthazar. Here is an idea "what if Lyssa gave Balthazar her mirror"
15:50 Wasn't Lyssa the goddess of Water before Kormir? As in, after casting Abbadon down she got that part of his portfolio and Grenth got the Ice bit.
Lyssa is related to chaos and manipulation. Also it could be related to Kralkatorik. Kralkatorik is related to Glint (and Vlast and Aurene). Glint was the main influence that moved the character forward in GW1 manipulating us through half told prophecies. Also Lyssa could be related to crystals and that opens a whole new level of manipulation and chaos (the searing, crystal sea turning into crystal desert, Kralkatorik and the branded, etc)
wow This champ train that you guys are doing is really fun I'm wishing for me to be able to get POF soon but can't at the moment budget is tight, makes me wanna go back into playing again, I miss the Qdale train and the orr train, and the core dungeon farm, I hate raids, 1 because I cant play a lot of the time and dont know anyone anymore since all of my friends stopped playing also. Im just playing for story atm and finishing the LS3 and the map completions on HOT still is hard.
I notice Balthazar is very very kind to the people that helped him, like how he chooses to spare Rytlock, and even not curse Lyssa even if she eventually agreed to imprison him, her help with the mirror makes Balthy like her too.
I want to know who Balzathar's Herald was. The first story step had way too much personal conversation between her and the player, to just be a new generic villain.
Tyresidon Not entirely. Devona could have ended up the hall of heros. I don't think the devs said anything in regards to this theory when one guy asked during AMA if the herald was Devona. She has similarities as for wielding hammer, mention of heroine past. Devona was a member of ascalons chosen, (also that comes to mind is that Ascalon was a campaign of Balths favor to make humans the most dominant race). Other than that, she strived to become like her father. Not everything mentioned by wiki is canon.
One key point about the mirror:
Kasmeer knew about the mirror. That implies that the mirror exists in Tyrian mythology, meaning that she had to have given it to him more than 250 years ago, and thus it is highly unlikely that she gave it to him as part of some nefarious plot.
lyssa is clearly lord faren
Woah my dad was right my name was in a game but i don't know this game my is Lyssa Melandru I just searched my name cause I got bored
In the cinematic from the end of Season 3 if you pause on the right frame a face of a woman who seems to be weeping appears in the fire beside Balthazar for a split second. It was the only face to appear in that fire. I think Lyssa should have been more present in PoF. Even if it was merely Kormir telling us more about her actions when they cast down Balthazar.
+WoodenPotatoes so, the devs stated today that "the gods have left Tyria for good", I'm not sure we'll get anything more about them.
that does not mean we cannot chase after them into the mists... :P
MehrumesDagon That's assuming that the Mists is where they went
wow lyssa told the guards the thruth "beauty the likes of which youll never see again" xD
My own personal theory is that Abaddon killed one of the Lyssa twins and took water from her. When Kormir rose, she gave it back to the surviving twin. It was described in the first game that Abaddon defeated 2 of the gods, but it did not say which ones. I interpreted this to be the Lyssa twins, and he was cast down into torment for the crime of destroying what may have been a demi-god. Not sure if any lore supports this, I could be very wrong.
@3:27 Didn't Kormir say that the gods didn't know Balthazar was in tyria because he was hiding with the mirror?
@10:00 That story about Lyssa sounds rather similar to that of who the prince became the beast in Beauty and the Beast.
WP, I keep seeing you selecting a new mount by clicking through the interface. In case you didn't know, there are hotkeys you can assign to each individual mount. To mention something more on topic, there was a line from Glint where she wondered what the Forgotten had told the Six that she didn't know. Because this is in the context of Glint fighting Kralkatorrik, and the Forgotten are believed to have been servants of the Six, it makes me wonder if really the Forgotten somehow created the Six as an attempt to fight the Elder Dragons. It takes me down a bit of a rabbit hole into thoughts about the motives of the Six, but that line stood out to me as something odd to discuss. The Forgotten dealt with Glint longer than they did the Six, didn't they? Or maybe they abandoned Glint to work on their new project, the Six?
What about the Mistwalker Ilya in fractals? She seems to be a legitimate mistwalker and she is named like half of Lyssa...
I hear so many talk about Dwana(sp?) Grenth, and Lyssa, but what about Melandru? The oldest of the gods and the one we seem to no the least about.
Wasnt Balthazars appearance changed as if a mesmer had put an illusion spell on him when he was in the realm of torment?
I'm Looking back at the End of Dragons trailer in light of this video. All of the pink fog and other motifs look like they could elude to Lyssa. Also, Kunavang is having a conversation with someone where she references the canthans "built their lives upon the very thing that sought to end theirs" which could be a dragon, in which case who is kunavang talking to; Lyssa? Lyssa could have promised balthazar power if she helped him "end the dragons". Sidenote, Abbadon have known too much (the secrets) so they locked him away, Kicking off the chain of events that ended with Lyssa having the power of water as well. It may be a reach but If we dont know how to beat the water dragon and Lyssa IS speaking in the trailer that may be why it does "...have to be this way" and "they need me"(lyssa).
queen jennah IS Lyssa!
There is a Priest of Lyssa on Queensdale which says Lyssa is the goddess of water because water is the most perfect mirror of all. I think this is all they ever mentioned about Lyssa being the goddess of water.
Kormir indeed said that Balthazar was hiding so the gods wouldn't notice him (especially because he was using another god's magic). They never told us how he got this Lyssa item tho, plus Balthazar not cursing Lyssa is indeed a nice observation. I would really like if they explore more about the gods' lore and such. But maybe they should focus a bit on norn since their story is never explored and we know so little about their spirits.
But hey WP, on the wiki Tengu page says they posses an ancient lost knowledge about the elder dragons, and they are very aware of their cycle of awakening and such. Could it be this the information on how to defeat them while not killing them?
Oh nice dialogue about the water and mirror! Never knew about that!
Kralkatorrik vs Lyssa. "Shattering" the "Illusion".
Although overall I find the PoF story to be really good and well done, the Kormir part being my favorite even, I still can't help but to feel they made it seem like they are closing the chapter of the gods, which makes makes me sad because I really enjoy that facet of the lore. But then I also noticed the little hints about Lyssa that I feel like are way too explicit to not mean anything. I really hope they get back to the Gods, there's so much cool stuff they could do with them!
I felt like it was setting stuff up for when we are either finished with the Dragon's or screwd up so bad we need to find soemthing beyond tyria to fix stuff
That's interesting. I feel like it's opened up many more questions about the gods. Before, they were just some people far away in the mists, but now they've been brought much closer to the story.
Lyssa was my favorite too for that same reason.
What if Lyssa has some plans to do with Kralkatorrik? If we assume she's Jennah, then she already saved Krak once (from Destiny's Edge) and then potentially set Balth up to be killed by the Commander with Kralk nearby, and now Kralk is super powerful and Lyssa might be the only god around. I know it's very far fetched by do quite enjoy the sound of it. :P
Lyssa being twins could just be a metaphor for her having 2 selves, Lyssa of light and Lyssa of dark. Maybe the devs named the other twin because she's a multiple.
u said pof didnt explain a reason y balthazar hid as lazerus the dire, but kormir did say balthazar was hiding untill the gods left and they couldnt stop him [because he was too weak to fight back against the gods] but as he said in lws3 ep.5 when we reveal him, it does not matter now and this i think is because his power levels r high enough and the gods where alrdy departing
I think you're missing the real question here. WHERE did BALTHAZAR GO when Rytlock released him? I'm refering the first portal he made after Rytlock left, what would been his first visit to start his rebellion? Would he be able to gain the mirror prior to said events? As we saw he did had nothing on him. This could say 100% lissia is the one who is messing with everyone if so.
WP i love the vid and everything, but, i have to ask....you know you can key bind individual mounts right? watching you right click that icon pains me
Lyss and Ilya - like the named exotic pistols since GW2 release.
The twins without a bloodstone. Endless power, without a vessel to fill. A neural spark of imagination, without substance in reality. Yet who can truly say when reality is within the eyes of the beholder.
The twins are the best, and so are the mesmers.
damn, that story from the parable was so gripping.
With Balthazar the whole imprisonment thing seemed shoddy at best. A few chains and a sword capable of cutting them just out of reach? How did the sword get there? Was it left to taunt Balthazar? Was it drawn to him? Or was it left as a potential escape? Lyssa is two faced, literally and figuratively.
Sohothin was likely drawn to Balth for either him or his eternals forged those swords (Magdaer included) in his name by his categorized magic of fire. They were given to Doric's descendants as they started their conquest upwards Ascalon.
Watching this again because I think Lyssa has something to do with the Kryptis particularly Peitha.
What's the tipoff?
Finally get my dosage of WP speculation video fix; I've started to have withdrawal symptoms
But there was one yesterday, too
Ah yes, but this one is the real juicy stuff about the plot and major characters
Where is the source about Kormir giving Lyssa the power of Water? 15:20
I can't find a reference to that anywhere. All I can find are fans already naming Lyssa as the goddess of beauty, water and illusion and that she obtained the power of water after Abandons death while Kormir took up the power of Truth/Secrets.
Nope, nothing there mentioning Kormir giving anything to Lyssa. Lyssa isn't even mention on that wiki page (wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World)
Human week, I think, though I can't find any wiki backups online to verify it? Could have been somewhere else, too, but I remember the sentence doesn't offer anything more than the simple fact that water shifted from one god to the other if that's why you're looking for it. There are no insights there, as I recall.
At least the power of water is described to be hers in game, when you choose the god that blessed you during the creation of a human character : wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Biography#Human
Hey wp, this might be very far into the future, could it be possible if lyssa could lead us to bubbles the water dragon since she is the goddess of water in some way? Feels like the story is going to lead us to lyssa at some point
I've had something occur to me; how does Grenth leaving affect death in the world? Who manages the underworld as a whole without him?
Domainof the Lost seems working just fine without his direct supervision so it isn't a huge leap to say others domains of afterlife works just right as well?
One thing else to note is from 2012... during the fight with the Risen Priestess of Lyssa.
50% health
Risen Priestess of Lyssa: Zhaitan will devour you, just as he devoured our gods.
25% health
Risen Priestess of Lyssa: My goddess was mere prey for the dragon. Despair!
Is it just Risen trying to make the human Pact members give up? Probably. But I'd expect more than one of the priests/priestesses to use that tactic. It'll be really cool to see where this goes in the future!
One thing I'm wondering about is the status of our character "the commander" which has killed two elder dragons, absorbed a lot of magic, came back from death and killed a god. The last character that was present at the death of a god became a god. Is the Commander on the path to becoming more than a mortal or even a god?
Reading and thinking about this i actually believe that the commander is on the path of becoming Mentally Unstabel
no... because the dragon took the power from balthazar not you... kralkatoric has balthazar's power now.
That's like saying a elephant at ground zero of a nuclear explosion absorbed all the radiation and everyone else nearby is fine. Balthazar dying was like a small magic nuke going off; the Commander and Aurene were directly at ground zero. Granted he wasn't fully powered up yet but it was still a lot of magical energy. The Commander was also near at a bloodstone explosion. The Commander has to have a hell of a lot of magical energy in her. More than any other mortal.
Don't forget that Balthazar was no god anymore. He was replaced and stripped of his godhood for quite a time. What we killed was more like a Demi-God. Insanely powerful but without his divine powers. And what was absorbed by Kralkatorrik was mostly magic from the Bloodstone with some Primordus and Jormag sparkles. So whoever the new God of War is now, we don't know. But we are no God Slayer now. ( It might change but right now we aren't )
And on the topic on the commander and containing a lot of magic. There was a small plot point in the current events that we have quite a lot of magic in us. So much that we suffered from magic poisoning. ( The stuff with the hallucinations ) But with a very old artifact we could get rid off the side effects. And while all the stuff that happened from vannila to now had an effect on the mental health of the commander our character is one of two sane people with that amount of magic available ( only two if you count Xera ). I guess we can hold such amount of magic since we are a dragon champion now. ( and that small device helping us to gain magic without harming ourselves )
W4lhalla which storyline? I wanna seek it out
Lyssa being Queen Jenna would fit pretty well beyond witnessing the enormous power exerted in shielding Divinity's Reach. Queen Jenna helped to spearhead the fight against Zhaitan and is an influential figure in the Pact. If killing Elder Dragons creates chaos, which Lyssa thrives upon, then maybe she has the same idea as Balthazar. Maybe Lyssa is doing what Balthazar tried to do in order to gain more power, and just used the god of fire as a pawn. She would just be doing this in a secretive and manipulative fashion, which would be in character for her. Getting the player character and the Pact to kill dragons for her would make sense.
Lyssa has always been my favorite. Ever since the beginning of GW1.
At the end when you defeat Balthazar he curses all the other gods except Lyssa saying they betrayer him.
I think it'd be a really cool twist if we found out that Lyssa was behind everything and was the real antagonist. Perhaps she could have been the one to push Balthazar to go against the Gods in the first place.
so you are suggesting so that we have - instead if balthazar being abaddon 2.0, so that lyssa is abaddon 2.0 instead? :P
What graphic mods / shaders do you use? Your settings are awesome.
What if it wasn't Balltaser but just an illusion of lyssa? I mean. Why should one of lyssa's illusions curse lyssa? And why was that whole scene about balltaser so weird. And it could even explain why balltaser had that thingy from lyssa.
I hope we see her!!!
Theory that just hit me: Lyssa trapped Joko in the mists.
If we assume that Lyssa and Balthazar were working together then maybe you can say that Lyssa asked Balthazar to lead Joko into the mists and trap him as punishment for removing Lyssa's influence in Elona.
This all depends on how Joko is handled in Season4, because he was chained with Balthazar's chains which may disappear now. This also leads into a 2nd theory that Lyssa tricked the other gods into leaving as she stays behind. Should this be the case we will see Joko get freed then maybe very soon after Lyssa swoops in and knocks Joko over even harder.
I felt a bit cheated with how they handled the disappearance of the gods tbh. I was hoping we'd get to see or talk to all of them :(
maybe in the future ;\
Poro Oreos I'm hoping we at least get to meet Lyssa
Balthazar stole the Mirror wich was stored in the Reliquary of the Gods he also took some other Artifacts from there wich are mentioned in several parts of the Game (he took stuff from Lyssa,Kormir and his beloved Melandru) i doubt the Story will be about Lyssa because Kormir stated before everyone except Balthasar left the World. Kormir cant lie as Goddess about the fact that everyone left the World and after the incident with Abbadon no one of the Five would Dare to Fight each other thats why they exiled Balthasar instead of killing/fighting against him....
If it was actually Kormir we were talking to.
lyssa next raidboss confirmed
With Pawala Joko back in the story, more importantly, in the mists, do you think him and Mad King Thorn will do battle again this Halloween as they did in Gw1? Great video also!
Lyssa is little finger confirmed
read your book from the collector's edition of Nightfall: Chapter two, the 5 True Gods: Melandru statues show her as a tall winged dryad rising from a tree-shapped base. Grenth is portray with the body of a man and the narrow skull of a beast. Balthazar is shown holding a greatsword, sometimes with a pair of faithful battle hounds sitting at his feet, some eleonian portrays him with majestic lions. Dwayna is shown as a tall slender woman rising above the ground on feathered wings. Finally, Lyssa, the two goddesses, twin figures of exquisite beauty entwined in an eternal dance. The mask may change and the dance may change, but Lyssa's dual nature does not. She is beautiful to some and terrifying to others. The picture of Lyssa, or in game facing her, Lyssa has a mask with 4 faces.
GW1 heroes: Koss, Dunkoro, Melonni, Tahlkora, Acolyte Sousuke, Acolyte Jin, ZHED (when having to disguise as corsair to save Kormir, Zhed famous phrase: 'what am I supppose to be, your mascott?'), Margrid, Norgu, Goren, Olias, Master of Whisper, Zenmai, Razah
I like how obscure Lyssa (and the gods in general) are, the less you know about them the more powerful you precieve them
Who cares about the 6
I have a little offtopic question:
I've noticed in your Path of Fire videos that there are a few framedrops in some places. I'm having the same problem that it goes to like 40 or 30 fps sometimes while Central Tyria and Heart of Maguuma are at 60 to 80 fps (sometimes it goes a bit lower there as well but it depends on if it's a heavily crowded area like on world bosses or a large Meta Event) and I'm having the same graphics enabled as you have. Allthough I have no problems with the framerate it seems like in the PoF areas it might drop a bit sometimes (which I noticed in the videos as well). So can you confirm that this is a common problem and that there is any fix in sight? (I remember back in the HoT days that the maps were laggy as hell but now playable at 100+fps)
I'll be fine if Lyssa had some hand in Balthazar's return or involvement with the white mantle and the bloodstone but, I would hope they don't have her forsake her followers and a Human race. I find the idea of gods betraying their loyal followers and doing things on their own terms a cliche or too easy to go for with developers. "Hey! What if we have the gods come back and now HURT their followers and the world! For their own gain cause REASONS! HAHA!"
I think it's because lyssa is a two faced goddess, that it was said "even lyssa agreed" it refrences her duality.
Here's my thoughts: Lyssa deceived Kormir and the other gods that she actually left. She worked with Balthazar to be the sole gods of Tyria and have all the magic to themselves. Maybe when they devoured all the dragon magic and Tyria blows up they were going to make a new world with them as the only deities?
Like the myth of Aphrodite and Ares, Lyssa and Balthazar may be linked much more deeper
I love these videos but it feels like you're doing ANet's job at actually telling these stories and making them interesting for the community. Almost none of this info would be apparent to someone who played only gw2... and even so, all this info could be circumstantial and not what the devs intended in the first place. It might all even be irrelevant for future events, or never be clarified by the devs, if the gods truly simply just left, as told to us during PoF's story. You always get me hyped and interested in the story but it rarely ever actually gets resolved or confirmed in the game itself :P
Years too late, but one thing I really liked was the fact the gods "left to find a world without the threat of elder dragons". I'm wondering if its a setup for GW3, or a future expansion.
Maybe Lyssa is the playful one, she likes to do tings just to see what happens, you know someone who likes to do things just to see how others will react, shes just watching waiting playing with emotions.
Oh lol i bet its just bad writing but of i always hope its something more. Thanks for lore info tho.
I am a simple Mesmer, I see a video about Lyssa i press like
what addon do you use to see the hp of monsters?
Lyssa: goddess of beauty and illusion.
Soo she is Goddes of Make-up?
Józef Lyssa is a beauty guru on youtube now
I right away thought those two had a "thang" going on. Like Aries and Aphrodite, even though Lyssa isn't a love goddess. Though she's about as close as you'd get to one in my mind. :)
Just curious as too why you aren't a mesmer main anymore??
Maybe Rytlock IS Lyssa