The Conflicting Origin Stories of Jessica Drew, The Original Spider-Woman
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2023
- History of the Marvel Universe No. 223
The Origins of Jessica Drew
The Original Spider-Woman
Sources:
The Saga of the High Evolutionary
‣ X-Factor Annual 003 (1988)
‣ Punisher Annual 001 (1988)
‣ Silver Surfer Annual 001 (1988)
‣ New Mutants Annual 004 (1988)
‣ Fantastic Four Annual 021 (1988)
‣ Amazing Spider-Man Annual 022 (1988)
‣ X-Men Annual 012 (1988)
‣ Web of Spider-Man Annual 004 (1988)
‣ West Coast Avengers Annual 003 (1988)
The Original Origins of Spider-Woman
‣ Marvel Spotlight 032 (1977)
‣ Spider-Woman 001-007 (1978)
‣ Spider-Woman 037 (1981)
Matthew Grayson and Marvel Boy
‣ Marvel Boy 001 (1950)
Gregor Russoff and Chthon
‣ Avengers 187 (1979)
The Werewolf by Night
‣ Marvel Spotlight 002 (1972)
The Puppet Master
‣ Fantastic Four 008 (1962)
The High Evolutionary Leaves the Earth
‣ Thor 134-135 (1966)
The Revamped Origin
‣ Spider-Woman Origin 001-005 (2006)
‣ Spider-Woman 001 (2009)
‣ Spider-Woman 001-010 (2020-2021)
The Jackal
‣ Scarlet Spider Unlimited 001 (1995)
Additional information from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
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Do you some other spider verse characters? Origin story like all the spider women, and all the Spider-Man and girl
Hey MerryMarvelite' Could you PLEASE do the origin story of Hellcat from the Marvel Universe for me okay.
Can we please have The Origin Madame Hydra
This is why Jess and Carol are best friends... they bonded over their convoluted origins and histories 😂
Tbh carol befriends anyone who name starts with J look at her closest friends
There's two Jessica's and hazmat and she hulk who's name also begins with j and she's extremely close with
@ryice944 OMG 🤣
She was also friends with Julia Carpenter 🤣
~Kamala changes her name to Jamala to be closer to her idol~
Carol had a simpler origin.
One idea I thought was interesting was Madame Hydra being Jessica Drew's mother, mentioned in Spider-Woman Vol. 1 42-44. But then in Captain America Vol. 1 281 it was revealed that Viper was under the spell of Morgan le Fay and Chthon. In Avengers vol.4 #22 Jessica called Viper "mum", either just to humor her, or that Madame Hydra was like a surrogate mother towards Jessica during her Hydra years.
I like the Saturday morning cartoon better when Jessica was a publisher of a magazine
I remember the cartoon but I don't think a lot of people would.
I got the series on DVD.
I liked her as a British private eye. The magazine thing just made her feel too much like Peter Parker.
@@jerfuhrer2581 I guess they had to do that they must have thought that the private eye thing wasn't going to work on a super hero cartoon show.
@@keithwiggins3131 the cartoon came out before the comics.
Great subject! For older readers, a major problem was that we mourned her death in the Avengers. Then somehow she was back. This is going to be informative.
I had no idea Spider-Woman’s backstory was so complicated
I like how Jessica's origins ties together so many different parts of Marvel. An enclave of scientist that includes her father, Warren, and HiEvolutionary. Living at Mount Wondergore, Puppet Master, Shield and Hydra and Taskmaster, you even had time to mention an Iron Man Rouge in there. Whiplash.
This was sweet 🎂
i love Jessica Drew
My favorite Spider Woman ❤
How about a Miles Warren/Jackal/Clone Saga episode? Or a comprehensive retrospective of Brynocki, the homicidal robot from Master of Kung Fu? Those were some wild stories and "he" was a great character.
Thanks for the amazing video ❤
Nice covering of the original and the retcon back-to-back like that, thank you!
~_~
That's great thanks again
Your the man! Great video.
Can you do history of the characters mentioned in this video? Are you going to do history of the other people who took on the mantle of Spider Woman like Charlotte Witter, Mattie Franklin and Julia Carpenter?
Great video as always. Marvel continuity was amazingly solid when curated by Stan Lee, Roy Thomas and Mark Grunewald. Started getting messy in mid 00s when they let people like Bendis do whatever they wanted. Continuity completely fell off a cliff from 2015 due to non existent editorial standards that continue to this day. Personally I don't consider anything after 2015 as canon- because they mostly irreparably break the universe and lore. Avengers BC alone ruins the mythology of almost every character.
Very well said. I totally agree about Avengers BC damaging the mythology of so many characters. I enjoyed Marvel comics for four decades until the Joe Quesada/Bill Jemas era in the early 2000s, when there was a constant firing/hiring turnover of editors. These days, it feels like the agenda driven editors and writers have a ton of disdain and zero respect for the stories/continuity from Marvel's past.
I'll never forgive Bendis for making the modern "Defenders" a Marvel Knights redux.
So many characters are so interconnected in such fascinating ways. 6 degrees of separation indeed.
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Nice!!!!!! This is gunna be a good and really complicated one!!!!! Here we go! Lol
If they were to do Spider-Woman in the MCU, they'd probably do her newest origin.............but in all likelihood they'll probably do Ultimate Jessica and then weave in 616 Jess elements later down the line if she doesn’t die (e.g. having a kid).
Great video as always. Can you cover the slingers?
'THIS CHANNEL IS EXCELSIOR' ..
My favourite Marvel-Character.
Can you do history of the Beyonder, Crossfire, Living Laser, Iron Monger, Titanium Man, Crimson Dynamo, Whiplash, Ultimo, Darkhawk, Union Jack, Annihilus, the Badoon and the Broods?
Wow 😮
Recently saw she had connections to Wolverine in Madripoor. With a full fledged Wo game coming out, I think it would be an amazing gameplay change up if they let us play as Jessica in that game. 2 playable heroes. 1 Wolverine. 1 Spider Woman. Although I would want it to be a solely Wolverine story with maybe some Spider gameplay sprinkled in there.
Can you do history of the U-Foes, the Ultimates team, Starjammers, Alpha Flight, the Annihilators, the Invaders, the Squadron Supreme, Doom Maidens, the Midnight_Sons, Young Avengers, Dark Avengers, Masters of Evil, the Thunderbolts and the Champions?
Since you did the History of the Mandarin and Fin_Fang_Foom, can you do history of Ultimo as well as the Shang-Chi villain known as the Death_Dealer?
Can you do a review on pretty boy or bone breaker next there’s a ton of more ideas I’ve got, but that’s all I can think of right now
One other point- how long was she held by the Skulls? Was she killed when she was replaced, and then replaced when Vernanke was killed in Secret Wars. The ending was so rushed that I thought a good writer could find a bunch of loose ends. Call them "The Hidden", maybe in their disguises they fight against some local criminal element- like the Badoon?
England's first very own Spider-Person.
Can you do origin of the Grim Reaper, Quicksilver, Devondra, Sentry, Mr Immortal, Captain Universe, Dreadknight, Deathcry, Blizzard, Starhawk, Flerken, Whirlwind, Chemistro, Whiplash, Ronan the Accuser, Ego the Living Planet, the Living Tribunal and Super_Skrull along with Avenger-X and the Protector?
Can you do origin of the Brood, the Gladiator, Hyperion, Star-Splendor, Havok, Vulcan, Jackal, Stingray, Quasar, Squirrel_Girl, Ultimus, Kly'bn, Kitty Pryde, Yotat, Dr.Faustus, Annihilus and Tryco Slatterus the Champion of the Universe?
Speaking of Jackal could we get a video about him ?
Are you going to do history of Ironheart, M'Baku, Namora, Attuma and Shuri as the Black Panther since they played a major role in the Black Panther Wakanda Forever movie?
Sometimes I wish there'd be a Wundagore show - with The Cat's Tigra origin transferred to Wundagore, & the cat people as naturally evolved fugitives from Wyndham's knights. Also the story of the Drews & Wyndham & Jackal. Chthon is referenced, & Bova is a character whose flashbacks include baby Wanda & Pietro. The Hydra agents from Tigra's origin could stumble upon Jessica Drew while hunting Tigra. Tigra joins the Avengers & meets Wanda. Patsy Walker gets Tigra's old costume. The three women find themselves investigating a series of Hydra heists, which leads them to meeting a Winter-Soldiered version of Spider-Woman... etc. etc.
what is it about mount wundagore and convoluted and conflicting origin stories?
I suppose it did contain an Elder God of Chaos.
Can you please make origin of Jocasta?
Bendis is secretly Mentallo and created Spider-Woman Origins as memory implants to screw with Jessica Drew.
The Handbook of the Marvel Universe ignores the events of that Spider-Woman: Origins miniseries, and so do I.
Honestly, I love Spider-Woman, but I can say there are times, with what the writers have done, I wouldn't mind a good retcon. At the same time, I'd like them to wisen up on that writing. Seriously, who thought the pregnant Spider-Woman story line would keep the comic selling? I was buying her comics because I want her to make it, but at the same time, was some bad stories her last few series.
And gah, no outfit has beaten her classic.
I can ses why Jessica Drew was made Black cos shes been through so much shite, its absolutely mad that she will be an henchman for Miguel.
This is so metta. How can she be mentally stable and how is she not a villain?
How long till you finish doing White Tiger: legacy of the Tiger by doing the history of Ava Ayala White Tiger? Can you do the history of Intelligencia in honour of the She-Hulk Disney Plus show?
Since the battle-world story line, the 616 universe no longer exists, the new retcon could possibly fit.
As ridiculous and convoluted as all this is, a funny footnote is that this was initially going to be wolverine’s origin story, before they decided better.
Wolverines origin isn’t much better
@@eligah1843 true
How come we haven't seen Jessica Drew Spider Woman in the MCU since Hydra and the High-Evolutionary are part of her origin story and both have already appeared in the MCU? Do you think someone like Emilia Clarke should play her?
HUBBA BUBBA YES!!!!!
Emilia Clarke is playing is playing Abigail Brand. And one of the main reasons is probably that no one knows who owns the Spider-Woman rights. This has been something I've been paying attention to for a long time, because she is a character that should have been in use long ago. Jessica isn't a Spider-Man character and has nothing to do with him, but somehow falls under the umbrella of his characters. It makes no sense.
@mtmta2009 Do you even get what umbrella means in this context? Of course they are both Marvel characters, who said different? And what does a cartoon have to do with anything? Jessica Drew and Peter Parker originated in the comics and the copyright comes from that medium. What exactly was the point of your response?
high evolutionary only appeared last month as is dead
@@Akinwalesegun but there's a deleted scene in the Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.3 movie where Drax is seen carrying out the High Evolutionary
The art of the 2005 miniseries is the definition of low T
So in the revamped story, Jessica Drew Spider Woman was in a coma because of Hydra which means he never meets the High-Evolutionary, S.H.I.E.L.D Agents forced her to listen to what's really going on and Jessica Drew lost her mother to Whiplash.
Speaking of which, Can you please do history of Whiplash since no one else has done an origin video of him ever since he appeared in the Iron Man 2 movie?
And I thought DC Hawkman origin was confusing and he’s been off the 1940s white spider woman’s just been around since the 1970s
What would have happened if we saw Jessica Drew Spider Woman in Spider-Man animated TV Shows like Spider-Man Unlimited and the Ultimate Spider-Man TV Show?
What do you think she's going to be like in the Across the Spiderverse movie?
Classic origin was better.
You can't beat the classics.
Which all heroes like Spider-Man and Captain Marvel do you think Jessica Drew Spider Woman respects? Which one of them do you think she has the best chemistry with?
The truth is that Wundagore Mountain is a magic mountain that causes all kinds of retcons in Marvel Universe (???)
What do you think is the best thing about Jessica Drew Spider Woman in the comics from both her original story and the revamped story? Which one of her powers and abilities do you think is the best?
Her bioelectrical powers are strong. Her costume and sketchy past are a big appeal, too.
I blame the cosmic cube
I seriously hate when new writers feels so arrogant that they can just completely ignore history and change anything they feel like because it doesn't "fit the story they want to tell". If your story doesn't work with established history / lore, then your story sucks and needs to be reworked. That is not to say that all new writers are trash, not at all. More that they are lazy and or, as I said previously, arrogant. There was literally NO REASON to attempt to re-write the history of Jessica Drew, to make it seem as if the High Evolutionary doesn't exist (which he very clearly DOES EXIST), to change the New-Men into just normal people or to make normal scientist into willful collaborators of Hydra. None of these changes do any good for the character, in fact they are not only worse for Jessica they are worse for every single character involved. It makes her parents worse. It makes the High Evolutionary worse (and I love the way he was portrayed in the original origin of Jessica Drew). Literally every single person comes out looking worse and for what purpose, because the new writer was to arrogant to change his precious story to fit into established lore? You cannot even claim ignorance because he clearly showed that he was aware of the original story with the illusions shown clearly calling back to the original story. It was just pure arrogance that he felt that his story was so superior to what already existed that he just HAD to change 30+ years of history at that point in time without any care for the work already put in by every single writer and artist which came before him.
It was Brian Michael Bendis, because of course it was
Rant!
@@Fyre19 Did you even bother to read or did you just make a random statement without any context? Just curious because your comment is rather meaningless either way.
It is funny that the character has nothing to do with Spider-Man.
So the high evolutionary is her father did not know that
Good grief. That first origin has more continuity connections than the average Star Wars story nowadays.
Ah! Bendis did that, of course; the 2009 is also by Bendis, so it doesn't count either, also the art is bad. Basically if Bendis is gonna ignore everything to rewrite the story into an inferior version I can ignore *him* in turn
And like every other broken backstory they keep trying to "fix it" not realizing that retcons can ONLY ever make things more complicated.
It is straight up not possible for a retcon to simply continuity. Ever. So writers need to STOP TRYING PLEASE I BEG OF YOU
She gets no respect, she had venom blast first now mikes has it and it's cool. Just wow.
Why could they just keep her history simple and easy to understand
Something good actually came off of Wundgore? Your slipping Chiton.
Sigh. I prefer the simplified version of her origin from the cartoon then the convoluted one in the comics.
This to me sounds like Marvel had several ideas but didn’t know how to narrow them down.
What are her powers?And what do they have to do with spiders?
Did you watch the video?
This character is going to be very interesting how she's portrayed in the MCU.... I know SONY has some rights to her and the MCU has other rights to use her as well...
Sony should have no rights to her. She isn't a Spider-Man character. If it was Ultimate Jessica Drew then I could understand since she is a Peter Parker clone, but 616 Jessica has nothing to do with Peter. Is a HYDRA/SHIELD/Avengers character.
@@darksaint0124I agree. Could this be why in the Spider-verse movie, she doesn’t have any of the actual Jessica drew powers? Instead she has traditional Spider-Man abilities
25:38 - Oh, Jessica! I know an alien blonde whose baby cousin is older than her - it's simply become the thing to do!
So Spider-Woman alone had connections to titles such as Marvel-Boy, Werewolf By Night, Molloids, Puppetmaster, Magnus, Thor, Hydra, SHIELD and Thing, but NONE to Spider-Man? That's hilariously impressive lol.
Yeah, I get it, technically she came before Spidey, but it's curious how they didn't connect the two automatically like every other male/female superhero counterparts. Just look at Ant-Man and Wasp, Hulk and She-Hulk, Thor and Valkyrie, Batman and Batgirl and Batwoman, all of them are just derivatives of the originals.
I've always wanted to see Spider-Woman in the MCU, because of her connections with Hydra and the Avengers, but with all the rest... now I NEED her there, specially due to the connections with the Fantastic Four, Werewolf By Night and the High Evolutionary. It's the perfect moment for her.
They could make a Disney Plus show, with Jessica's mom pregnant during WWII getting hit by a bolt of a genetic experiment machine, her mom getting attacked by the original Werewolf By Night, her being raised by Bova, getting taken by Hydra and then taken by SHIELD. Imagine all the connections they could make.
They could show Jessica meeting Alicia and her father as a child, leading them to show up in Fantastic Four movies, her meeting the Winter Soldier during Cold War, and Nick Fury at the end to recruit her, maybe even Natasha.
I thought captain marvel carol Danvers origin and inconsistent writing was a mess! Jessica Drew spider woman is even more confusing. Wow!
The classic origin was much better.
What do you think Jessica Drew Spider Woman would be like if Nick Fury recruited her into S.H.I.E.L.D to make up with everything she did with Hydra? What would she be like as a S.H.I.E.L.D Agent similar to Black Widow?
Maybe read comics. You might be surprised that there are years of stories about what you're talking about.
Too bad she didn't date a SHIELD Agent named Mike Hunt .
I wonder if the Origins issue was drawn by the person who made Alex+Ada. It looks like the same ugly artstyle.
wait why is she black in ATSV
I tell you why because they don’t give a flying turd about inaccuracies they love to piss off their fans. Also this whole race swapping certain characters in movies and tv has become a stupid and annoying habit nowadays for Hollywood.
Why is the new comic so ugly? It looks like it was illustrated by wiki how, sometimes the characters look like bobby hill.
Probably low T. It would explain the art coming out from Marvel these days
Personally, I prefer the revamped version because it's a bit less convoluted and confusing. Although, if I were to make up my own version of Jessica's origin I think I would at least try to fit some ideas from the original version in there somewhere.
It isn't less convoluted. Wundagore Mountain is a very important place in the 616. Just Bova being human has far rippling effects on other stories going all the way back to the 60's. One of the main problems I have with a lot of Marvel retcons is that they don't streamline things, instead the changes just further confuses things.
@@darksaint0124 I know what you mean. In any case I was only stating my personal opinion. So let us simply agree to disagree.
In my mind, the only Canon is the cartoon. anything else is a little bit too far-fetched
How's Jessica Drew Spider Woman different from the other Spider people? How come she has electrical abilities like Miles Morales Spider-Man?
What do you think Jessica Drew Spider Woman would be like if she worked with the High Evolutionary?
Why is the art in the 2005 story SO BAD
This looks like a very bad manwha the fuck happened at marvel in that time😭😭😭
This is proof that writing at Marvel has completely atrophied and, in this case, the art. A totally unnecessary bland, tasteless and dull retelling of her TRUE origin (but told wrong and without any emotional attachment) This is why _current_ Marvel is such a joke when compared to _past_ Marvel. You have to read "in the past" to get the _REAL_ Marvel experience. \m/
I was wondering from the spiderverse movie, then was like guess they took some creative liberties, then was like glad they did cause this character seems hella boring
One thing I didn’t like about ATSV is that they made her black. Honestly Stop race swapping characters Hollywood it’s annoying.
The artwork of the comics from this millennium is awful. It looks like WikiHow artwork.
I hate retcons. Marvel and DC have ruined many character origins. These newer writers are arrogant, condescending and think the readers are stupid.
Jessica is one of the oldest superheroes, by age.
She should of had more of a connection to spider man instead of having zero connection to him and has nothing to do with him