number 1 will be Joyce 100% I reckon the janitor from the lung crusher trap will be up there hell, most people in Saw VI maybe Mark or whatever he's called from Saw 1, Paul too. maybe Amanda in both her traps, even though the needle pit wasn't designed for her. controversial opinion, but maybe Jill? I hate her as much as anyone, but hoffy was really on a crazy one.
@@livingcorpse5664 I'm sorry, ut that's (potentially) an even dumber reason to test someone. Not all family dynamics are great, (hell, my parents have a toxic marriage that's some lasted over 30 years), so I'd understand if someone cut out their family due to manipulation, abuse, and/or extreme lack of support in some cases.
i actually can explain some of them: 1. Adam was taking money to spy on people and expose their secrets which is a sin especially if the secret was that no one getting hurt or something 2. is it possible John thought Joyce knew about Bobby's lie 3. Logan's mistake might have saved John's life by finding the cancer a lot sooner and none of the saw series will take place 4. Eric picks his son from the police station so Daniel DID something wrong but not that big of course 5. John wanted Jeff to forget about taking revenge cause Jeff will turn into a monster like the killers
Logan definitely didn't deserve his test, but even still, Joyce should be number 1. She had absolutely no idea her husband was lying to everyone, and was supporting what she thought was a traumatized man, just being a really good person and got pulled into the worst death of the franchise, burning alive in a brazen bull after just finding out the man she loved had been deceiving her their entire relationship.
Joyce's death still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I agree with our hosts on this, they should have give her similar choice they gave Brent and his mother. They should placed Joyce in a hostage situation, be secretly (as in, unbeknownst to Bobby) informed that her husband is a fraud and for her "blindness", she would be forced to watch her husband performance only to "review" his progress (bonus points if she is given the role of a HR manager, next to being his wife). When he arrives at her, she should be given the choice if she wants to forgive this fraud or if he has to play a final game to prove himself worthy (which he would fail). Then we could have the film finish with her and Dr. Gordon in splitscreen deliver the famous game over line (hinting at her becoming another apprentice, ironically already have bought into the whole Jigsaw Method saves people thanks to Bobby's previous claims how his "survival" helped him appreciate life more)... EDIT: Brent and his mother, not Brian...
@@j.r.cilliangreen4083 Thanks, though a large part of the honor I would to bestow to the hosts of horror sauce. In the past viewings of the films, I would have just scrapped the character as she never sat right with me. Just an innoocent character didn't deserve this fate, it is like they would have let Corbett actually die for Jeff's failure. But when they said, give her a role like Brent and his mother Tara, the gears in my head started to turn and that's what came from the assembly line. :)
I agree with you but I heard she got put into that trap cause she was with Bobby cause of his money , and so she was promoting his lie. So I guess Jigsaw thought she knew about the lie and was promoting it to get more money. but Joyce didnt know it was a lie so yea no i completely agree with you even if she was with him jus for his money she didnt deserve that at all. She basically got put into an un winable trap for absolutely no reason. Her life was in Bobby’s hands
Yes... but "based on John point of view... "Adam was free to leave" when John was standing up, the door was already open... (Yes, cutting or destroying your foot in some way), but Adam decided to take the gun and try to shoot John... at that precise moment, in John's eyes, Adam got himself locked up because instead of prioritizing trying to save himself, he preferred (on impulse I assume) to try to kill someone else out of revenge.
@@DanySB89but I mean speaking technically (idk what I'm saying) Adams tape said he should watch himself die or do something about it, and he did something about it, by trying to kill john,, which means Adam idk learned his lesson which is exactly what John wants.
@@s3riallk1ller I got your point of view... but I "guess" that the rule of "do something" is to win his game during the game time, not after 6oclock... In john perspective it was over when the 6pm arrived. After that Adam was supposed to leave instead of trying to kill someone else. These are my assumptions, we will never know what happens in "what if" situations.
Half of this list is basically "John Kramer doesn't believe in mental health issues." Whether it's the guy cutting himself/being depressed, the guy calling in sick/taking a mental health day.
I agree, it was unsatisfying. I wasn't disappointed though with the outcome, this was when John was testing people who deserved it, not just to save his skin. She won her game fair and square. That being said, I thought the test itself was anticlimactic and wish they had something jucier.
"John decided I shouldn't have to die because of an honest mistake." - I've always taken that line as JOHN'S mistake of not administering the correct dosage of sedatives, resulting in Logan not waking up on time to hear the rules of the game. On the other hand, you could make the argument that Jeff didn't get to hear the rules of his final game either since he was never given any indication that Lynn would die if he exacted his revenge. Speaking of Lynn and Jeff, that has ALWAYS been the thing about Jigsaw that has irked me most of all. It's the fact that he seems to wholey conflate mental health issues with moral weaknesses. As someone who has struggled with depression for many years, we need to get rid of this idea that many mental health issues are completely outside of our control. My depression is the result of a chemical/hormone imbalance in my brain and body, and the antidepressants that John criticizes Lynn for taking are helping to regulate those imbalances.
Also, meanwhile Adam could never have gotten his key and got killed anyway Also also, 100% with you on the mental health thing, at the point of Paul's test I was already like fck this guy and his stupid stupid morals
Mental health issues **ARE** moral weakness. It's the reason why people with mental issues used to not be allowed to make important decisions or affect society in any way.
I think we all forget the random dude in saw 1 that amanda has to cut open to get a key... that dude was alive... and we dont ever learn who he is or why hes there...
Jigsaw (John Kramer) matches the reason he gives for everyone being in the traps. Vengeance (killed the man who killed his unborn child - and there are many others), being a voyeur (watching all the traps), stalking (how does he know so much about everyone), etc.
If Saw 3D could have had a redemption to it, I would have much preferred Bobby succeeding at saving Joyce, only for him to fall into a trap when escaping (or Joyce divorcing him after they both escape). Also, fantastic video! This helped me think more about why I dislike Jeff in Saw 3, especially because that man deserved therapy so much more than he deserved to deal with John Kramer.
When you brought up this topic, I thought of how many cop characters that got put in traps that didn't really didn't deserve to be there. Rigg got tested for wanting to save everyone, Kerry got put in a trap and sentenced to her death by Amanda for essentially being good at her job of stopping Jigsaw, Sing from the first movie takes a shotgun blast to the head for a very similar reason. Like where is the justice for the cops who are genuinely good people whose only crime is wanting justice for everyone that you've put in these elaborate death traps. But Jigsaw isn't a murderer guys. In fact, he despises murderers.
Eric MAtthews was the only one who deserved his trap, being that he was a corrupt cop, Riggs, Kerry, Tapp, Singe, and the others were just trying to take down a serial killed, Strahm was trying to hunt for Hoffman to stop him, they all were doing the right things for the right reasons, but John and his apprentices simply wanted to keep killing. John is a fucking sociopath who took out his grief and pain on others, and relished in their agony, those who passed either got to live their lives or be offered work to do the same, but he is a murderer by all means and nobody should take his ideology to heart. Live like Riggs, or Tapp, or Strahm-live for trying to save everyone, stop the killers, and ensure the world stays safe.
I feel like people dont list her because she died in such a monumentally stupid way, but Addison didnt deserve to be in a trap. She got framed and worked as an s worker. That is all. Just being in that profession where women are constantly abused already that was enough. She didnt cause harm and pain to others. She acosted John once and moved on. She hadnt hurt anyone. Just her doing her job and being in a bad situation where she got framed by a corrupt cop. (The other crimes from the house arent expanded on as much so cant comment on them, like Obe and Xavier sure toss em in, within this fictional framework, no problem with them being in traps).
I don't know if you saw my comment on a previous video, but Adam's death was shown in Saw 3. Amanda went back to check on him and killed him. I know any situation could technically be created to make it where he survives but they did actually show Amanda suffocating him in the bathroom.
the thing is tho, shes only shown to be suffocating him for a short time. suffocation/strangulation actually take a long time to kill someone, so its possible that he was just passed out/playing dead. alternatively, its possible that amanda gave up and couldnt bring herself to completely kill him off. im choosing to live in delusion lmao
Yes, I see so many videos from so many creators on the subject framing it that way and every time I'm like "I think you're massively over-simplifying it!" 🤣
If that was the case, than everything in this video is doubled for his point, in my opinion. Invisible disabilities exist, and it can be hard to tell if people have them or not purely off looks.
Timothy Young as another mention also didn’t deserve to be in a trap even though he was drunk driving but he confessed that he made a terrible mistake and was remorseful of it then he payed the price for it, like seriously I really felt bad for him😢
This is one of the times that the comic - while needing some adjustments for continuity - does help a little as it does give better explanation for some of those victims in the first “Saw”. The guy wasn’t just taking a sick day but was milking things at the hospital, as an example. Gotta’ say, I’m sorry but I do think Joyce should be in the first spot. She was killed purely to punish her husband and her crime was being a loving and supportive spouse to someone she didn’t realize was lying. Not just any death trap either but yanked down into increasingly vulnerable states by chains and then Bronze Bulled which is a slow and horrific death. Logan made a mistake, sure, but - and here’s where being a doctor maybe biases me - there are a lot of back-up measures in place to prevent sloppiness from costing people their lives (as it did John and, when you think of it, all the people John then kills in his bitterness). That means Logan bypassed a lot of those and that’s a bit more than an innocent mistake.
This question will probably never be answered, but I'll ask it anyway. Why was Dr. Gordon's game to kill Adam if Jigsaw dislikes killers??? Let me quote Jigsaw himself, "KILLING IS DISTASTEFUL...to me!!"
Mark Wilson did not just call in sick though. He was malingering. That means that he was faking being mentally or physically sick to gain benefits and privileges such as not having to work or do your responsibilities. It can also mean that you get money, medicine or get away with things just because you are “sick”. So he didn’t get put into a trap because he was calling in fake- sick from work, but he was faking being ill to get privileges ☺️ (Sorry I’m a real nerd but I just love talking about saw)
Obviously Jigsaw is a maniac and there was a ton of collateral damage against incredibly innocent people or minor offenders. Saw 3 is one of my favorites, but Jeff definitely didn't deserve to be tested lol it was pretty weak. Joyce is number 1 of course LOL Saw X always annoyed me because a ton of the people who got trapped were just locals who probably made like $300 helping the Dr with the scam..but Jigsaw put some of them through the most excruciating traps we've seen in the whole series lmao
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Due to personal history, the razor wire maze never sat right with me and it's easily the most undeserving trap victim, even above Joyce... depression is a silent killer, like a tumor on the soul, and punishing someone for suffering from such a lethal illness is just twisted in a way that I can't even be amused by. Even had the victim survived, I'm sure this experience would have merely amplified their suicidality. What I appreciate about many of the later movies (Saw 3 onwards) is how they pivot more and more towards placing people inside the traps that arguably deserve it, and how they leave much more room for philosophical, ethical and moral discussions about whether they truly did deserve it or not. Many of the victims in the first movie just straight up did not deserve it, and even the most devoted contrarian can't really argue otherwise, in my opinion. Executing an innocent person is bad enough, sure - but specifically picking someone who is struggling with depression and self harming on top of it? For me, that just goes a bit too far...
Idk Joyce, Mateo, Lynn, Adam&Addie, Carlos, Hank the custodian, Charles from Saw V, Dude who called in sick, Michael, Adam and the entire police with special mention to Kerry and Strahm did not deserve to be tested/killed. Logan deserved it.
I strongly disagree with Logan being #1 He wasn't even tested and he's from 'Jigsaw' The medical field is a bunch of nonsense. John Kramer would not be the only person who would be extremely angry if a medical professional screwed up their life. This happens all the time. While cocky doctors go home to their perfect life with lots of money and a family and never expierence what they do to people. He's the only one on this list that actually might deserve 'punishment'
I get why they killed Joyce when they did (even if I don’t like it). The way I’ve come to view it is that Jigsaw’s killing games and vision were gradually bastardized both by the people working with him, as well as the media at large. Hoffman was making the killing games more about himself and his grudges (his sister’s killer, Amanda’s ultimatum regarding Cecil & Jill), and eventually just killing people cuz he got sloppy, while Bobby was sensationalizing the tragedies for clout and money. So we’ve this parallel in SawVII where both Jigsaw’s ex wife (Jill Tuck) and Joyce, the wife of Bobby (Bobby who began minimizing the severity of Jigsaw’s cult and games), die in the final act because of their shitty husbands, and the egos of Bobby & Hoffman. Bobby talked himself up to being capable of saving himself and others failing at every turn, and Hoffman believed he COULD and DESERVED to go untested, only to be tested by Jill in VI, and locked up by Gordon in VII. So as unnecessary as it was to kill Joyce, I think it was just done to make a parallel with killing Jill; the wife of the man minimizing the impact of the killing game tragedies, and the widow of the serial killer both dying together, in perhaps 2 of the more agonizing deaths of the franchise. Idk, maybe I’m grasping at straws, but those’re my interpretations at least.
Speaking of Jeff: With jigsaw logic you’d think that the kid pulling the lever on William Easton in the acid room should be tested for seeking vengeance as well - and wouldn’t he be even more deserving considering he literally made a man melt from the inside out when he had the option to just leave him be? This franchise is so flawed 🥲
I expected to see Sidney here, girl was tested for being in an abusive relationship??? I was cool with Rex and Morgan's trap since Morgan was the one who had the power in that situation but putting Sidney against her abuser with no advantage was wack
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Hypocritical. But also reciprocation is not the same as vengence. A lot of people don't seem to understand the difference. Reciprocation is doing to someone what they do to you. You hit me so I hit you back. Vengence on the other hand is going overboard example you hit me so I killed you. That is going overboard. I think reciprocating what someone does, even if it's a kind act is ok. Example someone helps you with your homework so you help them back with their homework. Reciprocation.
Super surprised that the Sydney from Saw3D and the couple in Saw 4 weren't mentioned- those women were basically put in traps for being domestically abused!
Especially Sydney. I mean, at least Rex and Morgan’s trap was rigged towards Morgan, with all of her rods being in non-fatal areas. It was very much her test, the tape was directed towards her and Rex was dying regardless. Sydney, however, was in a fair game with her boyfriend- she could have easily died just as easily as he could’ve. Very messed up.
Know it's was just a brief mention but, I'd argue the people in the carousel trap did deserve it. Easten says their whole job is too look for reasons why they can't insure the person. They knowings turned people down for the smallest of reasons.
That's literally how insurance can ever function. It's not a magical thing that just gives free money to everyone and the only reason people aren't getting infinite free money is because big evil selfish meanie heads won't "share" it.
In regard to number 4, I think it’s implied that Mark Wilson was doing more than just calling in sick to work. He was likely scamming people by claiming he had a horrible disease and needed money for testing/treatment. Jigsaw’s line about “all the people you burned with your act just might have their revenge.” is an indicator that he was likely a con artist, and we know how Jigsaw feels about scamming people.
It needs to also be understood that Jigsaw doesn’t put anyone in a trap for “being a bad person,” he targets people who don’t “appreciate their life.” Jigsaw’s philosophy is that those who don’t appreciate life don’t deserve their life, so he has convinced himself that these people aren’t worthy of living out their lives without proving their willingness to survive. I think the most undeserving of being put in a trap are those whose chances of survival are put squarely in the hands of another player.
I also think 2 people that didn't deserve to be in a saw trap, and they lived was Brad and Ryan from the love triangle trap. they were put in a trap because a girl was playing them both. they didn't deserve to be in there.
I think there’s a difference between people who are tested and people who are just used as props in a game. The list should exclude people who weren’t tested and didn’t have a chance to live
Could you do a video on the most expensive traps to make - I mean seriously where did John (and everyone else) get all his money from to make these traps
I don't remember the channel off the top of my head but the series "Foot the Bill" has covered the cost of the first 4 saw movies, including a breakdown of most and least expensive traps
I was a bit surprised to see Morgan not make the list, she also married a dousche of a man, similar to Joyce. I would still have put Joyce higher, considering she had absolutely no way of freeing herself, while Morgan did. Still, lot of good picks here.
I think Allison and Diana deserve the number one spot. They were held hostage, because Lawrence was having an affair and not appreciating his life. Unless his daughter cheated on a test, or his wife shoplifted from TJ Maxx, that dog don’t hunt.
Definitely Joyce, Lynn Denlon, the Janitor, Zep, Alison Kerry, Daniel Matthews, Art Blank, (Rigg), The Gallows woman and man, Adam, Mark Wilson, Diego, Gabriela + Carlos ( + a lot of the unknown cops)
I partially disagree with you regarding Art Blank and Diego. Art Blank was established as a scumbag who defended criminals and abusers, while Diego clearly knew what he was involved in and didn't seem to care. I have a lot more sympathy for Gabriella as she seemed to be struggling with substance abuse and was probably just in way over her head
@@JoelBrewtonHow is Art Blank a ‘scumbag?’ He was literally doing his job as a defendant, regardless of who is defending. All criminal cases requires a lawyer! And we can see him being a decent person when trying to talk to a depressed John, becoming told to leave, which he did. His tests were unfair and unjust
I like to think it was more like Mark Wilson was not just someone who called in sick, rather he is claiming workman's comp. Meaning he filed insurance paperwork on a false injury or sickness sustained at work so he can continue to be paid through the workplace insurance. some companies have gone bankrupt because of people taking advantage of Workman's Comp. So he was tested more for being lazy and committing insurance fraud. That makes more sense to me.
I haven't seen the Saw movies in a while but Im curious about Saw 6 were all of the audio recordings of billy the puppet when it was describing the games for everyone were they using Hoffman's voice or John's I know for the pendulum trap in Saw 5 it was Hoffman's if its Hoffman's then could it be Hoffman was the one who designed those traps and made them more crueler than John originally intended I get that John had knowledge on everyone but he always try to give people chances but Hoffman seemed more crueler than John. Hoffman's traps seemed winnable unlike Amanda's traps but could it be maybe John had a different trap in mind for Allen and Addy. I understand he was trying to test his policies on insurance if he was right or not but I always thought that Hoffman only did it cause he hated people and John tried not show any personal grudges on anyone except Cecil in 4 and the most recent people in saw x
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i actually can explain some of them: 1. Adam was taking money to spy on people and expose their secrets which is a sin especially if the secret was that no one getting hurt or something 2. is it possible John thought Joyce knew about Bobby's lie 3. Logan's mistake might have saved John's life by finding the cancer a lot sooner and none of the saw series will take place 4. Eric picks his son from the police station so Daniel DID something wrong but not that big of course 5. John wanted Jeff to forget about taking revenge cause Jeff will turn into a monster like the killers
Love the video . I agree with the list but would have put Joyce at number one 🤣. Jigsaw hypocritical for his rules like killing is distasteful rules but then puts mark and Joyce in the most excruciating painful traps for minor reasons . Love John and hoff but so cruel 😂. Peado guy in saw 4 got a deserved trap . Also think the abused wife in saw 4 didn’t deserve a trap either . Love Adam but still Jeff gets on my wick watching him despite not deserving of being put in a trap 😂 . Actually feel a bit sorry for Timothy young ❤
Definitely Kerry has got to be on there, she did not deserve to die, she shouldn't be punished for being dedicated to the case, if I had someone going around like that in my city, I'd sure want the cops to be doing everything they could to get the killer(s).
Joyce still should be on the number one place, she had no idea of what was going on and had to learn in about it when it was too late. Logan at least committed a mistake, a very grave one even if by accident, this is a mistake one can get sued for.
Joyce should absolutely be #1. She was a good, kind and supportive person. She was only included to punish someone else, someone whose actions she was not responsible for. She was treated like nothing more than a lesson, and she was subjected to the absolutely most painful, horrible death. Being burnt at the stake is one of the most painful deaths, but it is quick; the braisen bull was designed to prevent the people put inside from dying of smoke inhalation. Honestly, that's the reason why I hate Saw 3D so much: the writers treated her the same way Jigsaw did: as flesh for shock value. I'm not stupid, I know what torture porn is, but Joyce as a person and as a character deserved better and her treatment was illogical in both cases
And now I’m thinking about the most deserving ofc! Immediately my mind goes to Ivan at number 1. Also Xavier, Amanda in Saw 3, William, Eric Matthews, Bobby, Anna, Brit, Cecilia… damn, so many horrible people to choose from!
I still say Amanda's original roommate where she stabbed stomach for key we know absolutely nothing about him is he a murderer is he a priest too bad your part of Amanda test
it's not possible for me to know when this was written but I was surprised to not see Carlos from Saw X, who was put in a trap for "being in the wrong place"
The fact Joyce is not number 1 is insane. Everyone else at least DID something (though Daniel didn't either but at least he had someone protecting him in case something went wrong), but she just.... [checks notes] loved and cherished her husband? I'm sure her death is single-handedly the reason why Saw 3D is so hated. The movie already wasn't good, the traps were lame as hell too, but her death made it the worse Saw movie Also, I think Zep should've been on this list too. He was literally only tested for having an inferiority complex. Its unfortunate his test including kidnapping innocent people, but he seemed like a genuinely good guy too. Add another to the "tested because of poor mental health" bin Also that intro still hurts me. I miss Strahm and Gibson. The franchise never felt the same without them Edit: I thought John saved Logan because he didn't hear the rules and it went against his philosophy (and the only time he really upheld said philosophy too), not just because John didn't think it was worth testing him
When it comes to Mark's trap about "calling in sick to work." Was that stated? I always kind of assumed he was like pretending to be sick with a long-term illness like cancer and getting things out of it and using people, hence why John tested him, since he has cancer and Mark was lying about having cancer.
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I can't believe that no one ever mentions how Art Blank should have never been tested. It always frustrates me knowing that he was tested literally for doing his job. Yes, he backed up bad guys occasionally, but sometimes lawyers are forced to do that (assuming my dad is a credible source lol). Art never deserved his test just like the rest of these people, and he seemed to get along with John too. Why would John put a friend in a trap to potentially die (well, to be fair, Art's trap was basically rigged for him to win, but still)? Art also never showed any signs of actually supporting the bad guys he was defending, even if he may have come off as creepy and weird at times. He was just a regular man doing his job, and it infuriates me knowing that he was put in a trap.
Paul Leahy was when I was done with Jigsaw's stupid morals already. "Paul you are a perfectly healthy, sane, middle class male" Look here jiggy the guy took a razor to his arm I think we cannot feasibly call him healthy or sane. (saying that as someone who's been there, done that) Can you please just leave the guy a check for a therapist? Also, about Mark who called in sick... isn't the guy literally appreciating his life? You know, going outside, doing what he likes? I dunno I feel like the guy was having the best time of anyone in the miserable world of saw...
The woman who was skewered to her abusive husband (bro, it’s not that easy to just walk away-that’s the whole point). I get that it was non-fatal for her, but she still had to kill her husband AND pull a bunch of rods out that went straight through her body
You could make a list of about 50 detectives and police/investigative professionals who were killed either via traps or in the crossfire for literally doing their JOBS. My heart still breaks for you Allison Kerry- Amanda be crazayyy😂
John says Carlos ( young boy in Saw X) is a warrior...later on in Saw John has Jeff and Lynn daughter Corbet locked in play unrevealed location with limited air wow!
Get your guesses in early!
Let’s see who can predict the least deserving trap victims!!
number 1 will be Joyce 100%
I reckon the janitor from the lung crusher trap will be up there
hell, most people in Saw VI
maybe Mark or whatever he's called from Saw 1, Paul too.
maybe Amanda in both her traps, even though the needle pit wasn't designed for her.
controversial opinion, but maybe Jill? I hate her as much as anyone, but hoffy was really on a crazy one.
I'm not getting why Amanda's Reverse-Bearsaw trap didn't make this list. A drug addict needs help, not being put in a literal deathtrap.
@@Shadowcat753 FR! thats why i predicted her!
@@livingcorpse5664 I'm sorry, ut that's (potentially) an even dumber reason to test someone. Not all family dynamics are great, (hell, my parents have a toxic marriage that's some lasted over 30 years), so I'd understand if someone cut out their family due to manipulation, abuse, and/or extreme lack of support in some cases.
i actually can explain some of them:
1. Adam was taking money to spy on people and expose their secrets which is a sin especially if the secret was that no one getting hurt or something
2. is it possible John thought Joyce knew about Bobby's lie
3. Logan's mistake might have saved John's life by finding the cancer a lot sooner and none of the saw series will take place
4. Eric picks his son from the police station so Daniel DID something wrong but not that big of course
5. John wanted Jeff to forget about taking revenge cause Jeff will turn into a monster like the killers
Logan definitely didn't deserve his test, but even still, Joyce should be number 1. She had absolutely no idea her husband was lying to everyone, and was supporting what she thought was a traumatized man, just being a really good person and got pulled into the worst death of the franchise, burning alive in a brazen bull after just finding out the man she loved had been deceiving her their entire relationship.
Joyce's death still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I agree with our hosts on this, they should have give her similar choice they gave Brent and his mother. They should placed Joyce in a hostage situation, be secretly (as in, unbeknownst to Bobby) informed that her husband is a fraud and for her "blindness", she would be forced to watch her husband performance only to "review" his progress (bonus points if she is given the role of a HR manager, next to being his wife). When he arrives at her, she should be given the choice if she wants to forgive this fraud or if he has to play a final game to prove himself worthy (which he would fail). Then we could have the film finish with her and Dr. Gordon in splitscreen deliver the famous game over line (hinting at her becoming another apprentice, ironically already have bought into the whole Jigsaw Method saves people thanks to Bobby's previous claims how his "survival" helped him appreciate life more)...
EDIT: Brent and his mother, not Brian...
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@@j.r.cilliangreen4083 Thanks, though a large part of the honor I would to bestow to the hosts of horror sauce. In the past viewings of the films, I would have just scrapped the character as she never sat right with me. Just an innoocent character didn't deserve this fate, it is like they would have let Corbett actually die for Jeff's failure. But when they said, give her a role like Brent and his mother Tara, the gears in my head started to turn and that's what came from the assembly line. :)
I agree with you but I heard she got put into that trap cause she was with Bobby cause of his money , and so she was promoting his lie. So I guess Jigsaw thought she knew about the lie and was promoting it to get more money. but Joyce didnt know it was a lie so yea no i completely agree with you even if she was with him jus for his money she didnt deserve that at all. She basically got put into an un winable trap for absolutely no reason. Her life was in Bobby’s hands
@@himotox2788 I hadn't heard she was with him because of his money, maybe I missed a line or deleted scene or something haha
Jigsaw: loses his unborn child and actually murders the killer.
Jeff: loses his son and wishes he could murder the killer.
Jigsaw: >:(
John really said "Liar, Liar, wife on fire"
Foul
woa woa
GOODBYE- 😭
I still find it quite ridiculous that Dr. Gordon lost his game but is saved by John, whereas Adam successfully fulfills his task but is left to die!
Yes... but "based on John point of view... "Adam was free to leave" when John was standing up, the door was already open... (Yes, cutting or destroying your foot in some way), but Adam decided to take the gun and try to shoot John... at that precise moment, in John's eyes, Adam got himself locked up because instead of prioritizing trying to save himself, he preferred (on impulse I assume) to try to kill someone else out of revenge.
@@DanySB89but I mean speaking technically (idk what I'm saying) Adams tape said he should watch himself die or do something about it, and he did something about it, by trying to kill john,, which means Adam idk learned his lesson which is exactly what John wants.
@@s3riallk1ller I got your point of view... but I "guess" that the rule of "do something" is to win his game during the game time, not after 6oclock... In john perspective it was over when the 6pm arrived. After that Adam was supposed to leave instead of trying to kill someone else. These are my assumptions, we will never know what happens in "what if" situations.
Half of this list is basically "John Kramer doesn't believe in mental health issues." Whether it's the guy cutting himself/being depressed, the guy calling in sick/taking a mental health day.
Cecilia's fate was the most unsatisfying thing I ever saw in my life
She's definitely gonna get killed in Saw 11 don't worry 🙏
@@Joeisonavacationfaraway idk they let the most hateable characters slip away sometimes
I agree, it was unsatisfying. I wasn't disappointed though with the outcome, this was when John was testing people who deserved it, not just to save his skin. She won her game fair and square.
That being said, I thought the test itself was anticlimactic and wish they had something jucier.
@@thatkidhazlittshe lost her money, lost everyone who worked with her, and she would have to start with zero
yep she got what she deserved broke
I was really expecting the woman from the spike trap. Wasn’t she in it because she didn’t leave an abusive relationship?
yeah that's gotta be in the top 5. there are so many tests by jigsaw that are ridiculous lmao
No because she let her husband beat their child.
Jigsaw: you want vengeance on the guy who killed your son? Hell no.
Also Jigsaw: *kills the guy who killed his unborn son*
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HAHAHAHA so true
He "tested" him technically
I was going to say the same thing!
Too true
Surely Carlos needs to be on this list? Technically not tested nor put in by Jigsaw but he was still put in a trap and he’s only a kid
I think this is the list of people who was tested BY JOHN not anyone else
I’m sorry Jeff’s tested because he’s vengeful about his son’s death? Didn’t jigsaw begin because his wife had a miscarriage as a result of a robbery?
at least John didn't push him into the barbed wires 😅😅😅😅😅
"John decided I shouldn't have to die because of an honest mistake." - I've always taken that line as JOHN'S mistake of not administering the correct dosage of sedatives, resulting in Logan not waking up on time to hear the rules of the game. On the other hand, you could make the argument that Jeff didn't get to hear the rules of his final game either since he was never given any indication that Lynn would die if he exacted his revenge.
Speaking of Lynn and Jeff, that has ALWAYS been the thing about Jigsaw that has irked me most of all. It's the fact that he seems to wholey conflate mental health issues with moral weaknesses. As someone who has struggled with depression for many years, we need to get rid of this idea that many mental health issues are completely outside of our control. My depression is the result of a chemical/hormone imbalance in my brain and body, and the antidepressants that John criticizes Lynn for taking are helping to regulate those imbalances.
Also, meanwhile Adam could never have gotten his key and got killed anyway
Also also, 100% with you on the mental health thing, at the point of Paul's test I was already like fck this guy and his stupid stupid morals
Mental health issues **ARE** moral weakness. It's the reason why people with mental issues used to not be allowed to make important decisions or affect society in any way.
I think we all forget the random dude in saw 1 that amanda has to cut open to get a key... that dude was alive... and we dont ever learn who he is or why hes there...
Jigsaw (John Kramer) matches the reason he gives for everyone being in the traps. Vengeance (killed the man who killed his unborn child - and there are many others), being a voyeur (watching all the traps), stalking (how does he know so much about everyone), etc.
If Saw 3D could have had a redemption to it, I would have much preferred Bobby succeeding at saving Joyce, only for him to fall into a trap when escaping (or Joyce divorcing him after they both escape).
Also, fantastic video! This helped me think more about why I dislike Jeff in Saw 3, especially because that man deserved therapy so much more than he deserved to deal with John Kramer.
Gabriela, Agent Kerry, Logan, Brad & Ryan, Joyce, The Judge from Saw III, The Janitor, Receptionist and File Clerk from Saw VI.
The Judge?
@@bdduke-1Yep
Rigg
@brandondaley2254 I will take that back, he was too lenient on the driver.
When you brought up this topic, I thought of how many cop characters that got put in traps that didn't really didn't deserve to be there. Rigg got tested for wanting to save everyone, Kerry got put in a trap and sentenced to her death by Amanda for essentially being good at her job of stopping Jigsaw, Sing from the first movie takes a shotgun blast to the head for a very similar reason. Like where is the justice for the cops who are genuinely good people whose only crime is wanting justice for everyone that you've put in these elaborate death traps. But Jigsaw isn't a murderer guys. In fact, he despises murderers.
Eric MAtthews was the only one who deserved his trap, being that he was a corrupt cop, Riggs, Kerry, Tapp, Singe, and the others were just trying to take down a serial killed, Strahm was trying to hunt for Hoffman to stop him, they all were doing the right things for the right reasons, but John and his apprentices simply wanted to keep killing. John is a fucking sociopath who took out his grief and pain on others, and relished in their agony, those who passed either got to live their lives or be offered work to do the same, but he is a murderer by all means and nobody should take his ideology to heart.
Live like Riggs, or Tapp, or Strahm-live for trying to save everyone, stop the killers, and ensure the world stays safe.
John doesn’t like smokers , sick days , taking photos 😂
Detective Kerry in my opinion will be top 3 she was just doing her job and also trying to find her freind/lover
I’d swap Joyce and Logan since it’s Logan’s job to pay full attention at work especially when dealing with life or death situations.
if he did then the entire saw series wouldn't have existed and john would have died of old age
I agree with Logan purely because he had just endured literal torture and to be thrown into another torture game is beyond cruel
Several people would still be alive if John just sued that hospital for negligence and human error.
😂 word
Hopefully we get a top 10 most deserving trap victims
bro predicted it
@@OnlyGoku69bro had a vision
I feel like people dont list her because she died in such a monumentally stupid way, but Addison didnt deserve to be in a trap. She got framed and worked as an s worker. That is all. Just being in that profession where women are constantly abused already that was enough. She didnt cause harm and pain to others. She acosted John once and moved on. She hadnt hurt anyone. Just her doing her job and being in a bad situation where she got framed by a corrupt cop. (The other crimes from the house arent expanded on as much so cant comment on them, like Obe and Xavier sure toss em in, within this fictional framework, no problem with them being in traps).
I don't know if you saw my comment on a previous video, but Adam's death was shown in Saw 3. Amanda went back to check on him and killed him.
I know any situation could technically be created to make it where he survives but they did actually show Amanda suffocating him in the bathroom.
the thing is tho, shes only shown to be suffocating him for a short time. suffocation/strangulation actually take a long time to kill someone, so its possible that he was just passed out/playing dead. alternatively, its possible that amanda gave up and couldnt bring herself to completely kill him off. im choosing to live in delusion lmao
Am I the only one who thought Mark Wilson was pretending to be ill to claim disability rather than just 'calling in sick for work'?
You are right, they are wrong boiling it down to "calling in sick"
Yes, I see so many videos from so many creators on the subject framing it that way and every time I'm like "I think you're massively over-simplifying it!" 🤣
If that was the case, than everything in this video is doubled for his point, in my opinion. Invisible disabilities exist, and it can be hard to tell if people have them or not purely off looks.
I didn't think about it that way, thanks for your insight !
I thought the least deserving was that kid Carlos from Saw X 😆
Timothy Young as another mention also didn’t deserve to be in a trap even though he was drunk driving but he confessed that he made a terrible mistake and was remorseful of it then he payed the price for it, like seriously I really felt bad for him😢
This is one of the times that the comic - while needing some adjustments for continuity - does help a little as it does give better explanation for some of those victims in the first “Saw”. The guy wasn’t just taking a sick day but was milking things at the hospital, as an example.
Gotta’ say, I’m sorry but I do think Joyce should be in the first spot. She was killed purely to punish her husband and her crime was being a loving and supportive spouse to someone she didn’t realize was lying. Not just any death trap either but yanked down into increasingly vulnerable states by chains and then Bronze Bulled which is a slow and horrific death. Logan made a mistake, sure, but - and here’s where being a doctor maybe biases me - there are a lot of back-up measures in place to prevent sloppiness from costing people their lives (as it did John and, when you think of it, all the people John then kills in his bitterness). That means Logan bypassed a lot of those and that’s a bit more than an innocent mistake.
This question will probably never be answered, but I'll ask it anyway. Why was Dr. Gordon's game to kill Adam if Jigsaw dislikes killers??? Let me quote Jigsaw himself, "KILLING IS DISTASTEFUL...to me!!"
And zepp was suppose to shoot Gordon's fam... you're right on both accounts...
And he made Amanda gut that dude to get the key in his belly...
@@Vegan32 Holy crap you're right. How did I not think about Zepp's game as well???
not within the games apparently, then it's all cool
Also, it's crazy how Jigsaw, aka John Kramer, contradicts himself.
Mark Wilson did not just call in sick though. He was malingering. That means that he was faking being mentally or physically sick to gain benefits and privileges such as not having to work or do your responsibilities. It can also mean that you get money, medicine or get away with things just because you are “sick”.
So he didn’t get put into a trap because he was calling in fake- sick from work, but he was faking being ill to get privileges ☺️
(Sorry I’m a real nerd but I just love talking about saw)
Obviously Jigsaw is a maniac and there was a ton of collateral damage against incredibly innocent people or minor offenders. Saw 3 is one of my favorites, but Jeff definitely didn't deserve to be tested lol it was pretty weak. Joyce is number 1 of course LOL Saw X always annoyed me because a ton of the people who got trapped were just locals who probably made like $300 helping the Dr with the scam..but Jigsaw put some of them through the most excruciating traps we've seen in the whole series lmao
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Due to personal history, the razor wire maze never sat right with me and it's easily the most undeserving trap victim, even above Joyce... depression is a silent killer, like a tumor on the soul, and punishing someone for suffering from such a lethal illness is just twisted in a way that I can't even be amused by. Even had the victim survived, I'm sure this experience would have merely amplified their suicidality.
What I appreciate about many of the later movies (Saw 3 onwards) is how they pivot more and more towards placing people inside the traps that arguably deserve it, and how they leave much more room for philosophical, ethical and moral discussions about whether they truly did deserve it or not. Many of the victims in the first movie just straight up did not deserve it, and even the most devoted contrarian can't really argue otherwise, in my opinion.
Executing an innocent person is bad enough, sure - but specifically picking someone who is struggling with depression and self harming on top of it? For me, that just goes a bit too far...
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You realize how much. Jigsaw is a real practical joker lol
He’s the funniest guy we know! 😂😍
Idk Joyce, Mateo, Lynn, Adam&Addie, Carlos, Hank the custodian, Charles from Saw V, Dude who called in sick, Michael, Adam and the entire police with special mention to Kerry and Strahm did not deserve to be tested/killed. Logan deserved it.
Jeff, didn’t deserve that. He lost his son.
Didn’t John act the same? He lost his unborn son… & became a serial killer lol
at least John didn't pull the trigger but just stepped aside literally 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I strongly disagree with Logan being #1
He wasn't even tested and he's from 'Jigsaw'
The medical field is a bunch of nonsense. John Kramer would not be the only person who would be extremely angry if a medical professional screwed up their life. This happens all the time. While cocky doctors go home to their perfect life with lots of money and a family and never expierence what they do to people.
He's the only one on this list that actually might deserve 'punishment'
I get why they killed Joyce when they did (even if I don’t like it). The way I’ve come to view it is that Jigsaw’s killing games and vision were gradually bastardized both by the people working with him, as well as the media at large. Hoffman was making the killing games more about himself and his grudges (his sister’s killer, Amanda’s ultimatum regarding Cecil & Jill), and eventually just killing people cuz he got sloppy, while Bobby was sensationalizing the tragedies for clout and money.
So we’ve this parallel in SawVII where both Jigsaw’s ex wife (Jill Tuck) and Joyce, the wife of Bobby (Bobby who began minimizing the severity of Jigsaw’s cult and games), die in the final act because of their shitty husbands, and the egos of Bobby & Hoffman. Bobby talked himself up to being capable of saving himself and others failing at every turn, and Hoffman believed he COULD and DESERVED to go untested, only to be tested by Jill in VI, and locked up by Gordon in VII. So as unnecessary as it was to kill Joyce, I think it was just done to make a parallel with killing Jill; the wife of the man minimizing the impact of the killing game tragedies, and the widow of the serial killer both dying together, in perhaps 2 of the more agonizing deaths of the franchise. Idk, maybe I’m grasping at straws, but those’re my interpretations at least.
Michael from Saw 2? Granted he was an informant but I don’t think he deserved it
Yeah. I would have replaced mark Wilson with him since like Adam he was just doing his job
What about the guy Amanda killed in saw I to get the key for the trap? Don’t remember getting any information about him
Speaking of Jeff: With jigsaw logic you’d think that the kid pulling the lever on William Easton in the acid room should be tested for seeking vengeance as well - and wouldn’t he be even more deserving considering he literally made a man melt from the inside out when he had the option to just leave him be? This franchise is so flawed 🥲
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Your list is so good ! I do think Bobby's wife should have been number 1 though lmao xD
I expected to see Sidney here, girl was tested for being in an abusive relationship??? I was cool with Rex and Morgan's trap since Morgan was the one who had the power in that situation but putting Sidney against her abuser with no advantage was wack
Not John punishing people for not valuing their lives… then punishing them for taking a sick day to… enjoy their life… 🤔
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Hypocritical. But also reciprocation is not the same as vengence. A lot of people don't seem to understand the difference. Reciprocation is doing to someone what they do to you. You hit me so I hit you back. Vengence on the other hand is going overboard example you hit me so I killed you. That is going overboard. I think reciprocating what someone does, even if it's a kind act is ok. Example someone helps you with your homework so you help them back with their homework. Reciprocation.
Super surprised that the Sydney from Saw3D and the couple in Saw 4 weren't mentioned- those women were basically put in traps for being domestically abused!
Especially Sydney. I mean, at least Rex and Morgan’s trap was rigged towards Morgan, with all of her rods being in non-fatal areas. It was very much her test, the tape was directed towards her and Rex was dying regardless. Sydney, however, was in a fair game with her boyfriend- she could have easily died just as easily as he could’ve. Very messed up.
Morgan let Rex abuse their daughter tho.
Know it's was just a brief mention but, I'd argue the people in the carousel trap did deserve it. Easten says their whole job is too look for reasons why they can't insure the person. They knowings turned people down for the smallest of reasons.
That's literally how insurance can ever function. It's not a magical thing that just gives free money to everyone and the only reason people aren't getting infinite free money is because big evil selfish meanie heads won't "share" it.
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In regard to number 4, I think it’s implied that Mark Wilson was doing more than just calling in sick to work. He was likely scamming people by claiming he had a horrible disease and needed money for testing/treatment. Jigsaw’s line about “all the people you burned with your act just might have their revenge.” is an indicator that he was likely a con artist, and we know how Jigsaw feels about scamming people.
It needs to also be understood that Jigsaw doesn’t put anyone in a trap for “being a bad person,” he targets people who don’t “appreciate their life.” Jigsaw’s philosophy is that those who don’t appreciate life don’t deserve their life, so he has convinced himself that these people aren’t worthy of living out their lives without proving their willingness to survive. I think the most undeserving of being put in a trap are those whose chances of survival are put squarely in the hands of another player.
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Mark Wilson (Saw 2004) Better be on that list😭
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Eh, I can kind of argue Daniel was also put in the nerve gas to scare him into stop being a delinquent.
I also think 2 people that didn't deserve to be in a saw trap, and they lived was Brad and Ryan from the love triangle trap. they were put in a trap because a girl was playing them both. they didn't deserve to be in there.
What about Kerrie? She was tested for doing her job in an undefeatable trap
A cop... they didn't include cops
I say the guy who killed Jeff's kid as well.. The flashback showed he cearly didn't mean yo do it
Also, the rack trap was very brutal😰
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Are you gonna follow up with 10 MOST deserving trap victims? 👀
(I'm sure you will XD)
Honestly none of the employees in Saw 6s traps deserved it. I worked in insurance and it wasn’t because I believed in the company’s vision. lol
When I first saw 3D I assumed at some point the movie was going to reveal that she knew about the guy lying but nope they don’t even do that lol.
I think there’s a difference between people who are tested and people who are just used as props in a game. The list should exclude people who weren’t tested and didn’t have a chance to live
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Could you do a video on the most expensive traps to make - I mean seriously where did John (and everyone else) get all his money from to make these traps
I don't remember the channel off the top of my head but the series "Foot the Bill" has covered the cost of the first 4 saw movies, including a breakdown of most and least expensive traps
Kitten Arcader, they have got as far as Jigsaw now, and covered some other movies along the way.
I was a bit surprised to see Morgan not make the list, she also married a dousche of a man, similar to Joyce. I would still have put Joyce higher, considering she had absolutely no way of freeing herself, while Morgan did. Still, lot of good picks here.
I think Allison and Diana deserve the number one spot. They were held hostage, because Lawrence was having an affair and not appreciating his life. Unless his daughter cheated on a test, or his wife shoplifted from TJ Maxx, that dog don’t hunt.
Definitely Joyce, Lynn Denlon, the Janitor, Zep, Alison Kerry, Daniel Matthews, Art Blank, (Rigg), The Gallows woman and man, Adam, Mark Wilson, Diego, Gabriela + Carlos ( + a lot of the unknown cops)
I partially disagree with you regarding Art Blank and Diego. Art Blank was established as a scumbag who defended criminals and abusers, while Diego clearly knew what he was involved in and didn't seem to care. I have a lot more sympathy for Gabriella as she seemed to be struggling with substance abuse and was probably just in way over her head
@@JoelBrewtonHow is Art Blank a ‘scumbag?’ He was literally doing his job as a defendant, regardless of who is defending. All criminal cases requires a lawyer!
And we can see him being a decent person when trying to talk to a depressed John, becoming told to leave, which he did. His tests were unfair and unjust
I like to think it was more like Mark Wilson was not just someone who called in sick, rather he is claiming workman's comp. Meaning he filed insurance paperwork on a false injury or sickness sustained at work so he can continue to be paid through the workplace insurance. some companies have gone bankrupt because of people taking advantage of Workman's Comp. So he was tested more for being lazy and committing insurance fraud. That makes more sense to me.
I haven't seen the Saw movies in a while but Im curious about Saw 6 were all of the audio recordings of billy the puppet when it was describing the games for everyone were they using Hoffman's voice or John's I know for the pendulum trap in Saw 5 it was Hoffman's if its Hoffman's then could it be Hoffman was the one who designed those traps and made them more crueler than John originally intended I get that John had knowledge on everyone but he always try to give people chances but Hoffman seemed more crueler than John. Hoffman's traps seemed winnable unlike Amanda's traps but could it be maybe John had a different trap in mind for Allen and Addy. I understand he was trying to test his policies on insurance if he was right or not but I always thought that Hoffman only did it cause he hated people and John tried not show any personal grudges on anyone except Cecil in 4 and the most recent people in saw x
Joyce number one by a mile. Poor lady died the worse death and didn’t deserve it
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How did Carlos not make this list???!!!
Apparently, meeting John is worse than anything the people on this list did. I'm just as shocked and chagrined as you
Maybe cuz he wasn’t meant to be in a trap , Cecilia put him there without John’s consent, or maybe they just forgot about him idk
i personally would’ve swapped joyce and logan. joyce literally didn’t do *anything* while logan did in fact switch the names
i actually can explain some of them:
1. Adam was taking money to spy on people and expose their secrets which is a sin especially if the secret was that no one getting hurt or something
2. is it possible John thought Joyce knew about Bobby's lie
3. Logan's mistake might have saved John's life by finding the cancer a lot sooner and none of the saw series will take place
4. Eric picks his son from the police station so Daniel DID something wrong but not that big of course
5. John wanted Jeff to forget about taking revenge cause Jeff will turn into a monster like the killers
Love the video . I agree with the list but would have put Joyce at number one 🤣. Jigsaw hypocritical for his rules like killing is distasteful rules but then puts mark and Joyce in the most excruciating painful traps for minor reasons . Love John and hoff but so cruel 😂. Peado guy in saw 4 got a deserved trap . Also think the abused wife in saw 4 didn’t deserve a trap either . Love Adam but still Jeff gets on my wick watching him despite not deserving of being put in a trap 😂 . Actually feel a bit sorry for Timothy young ❤
John says in his tape he’s burned people with his sick act tho. So we don’t really know the ramifications of his acting
Definitely Kerry has got to be on there, she did not deserve to die, she shouldn't be punished for being dedicated to the case, if I had someone going around like that in my city, I'd sure want the cops to be doing everything they could to get the killer(s).
they said at the beginning not including cops!
@@heyheyheyeheyheyeheyheyhey yeah I know, I commented before the video had premiered, I got my guess in early :P
@@TheGreenDayMinority oh okay cool!! what did you think of the video i personally thought joyce should be number one you?
Joyce still should be on the number one place, she had no idea of what was going on and had to learn in about it when it was too late. Logan at least committed a mistake, a very grave one even if by accident, this is a mistake one can get sued for.
Number 1 should've been Carlos! Love you guys, but how did Carlos not at least make the list? Lmao
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Joyce should absolutely be #1. She was a good, kind and supportive person. She was only included to punish someone else, someone whose actions she was not responsible for. She was treated like nothing more than a lesson, and she was subjected to the absolutely most painful, horrible death. Being burnt at the stake is one of the most painful deaths, but it is quick; the braisen bull was designed to prevent the people put inside from dying of smoke inhalation. Honestly, that's the reason why I hate Saw 3D so much: the writers treated her the same way Jigsaw did: as flesh for shock value. I'm not stupid, I know what torture porn is, but Joyce as a person and as a character deserved better and her treatment was illogical in both cases
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And now I’m thinking about the most deserving ofc! Immediately my mind goes to Ivan at number 1. Also Xavier, Amanda in Saw 3, William, Eric Matthews, Bobby, Anna, Brit, Cecilia… damn, so many horrible people to choose from!
Brenda? She was literally a sex trafficker. Evan and his racist gang? Maybe Parker Sears as well.
I still say Amanda's original roommate where she stabbed stomach for key we know absolutely nothing about him is he a murderer is he a priest too bad your part of Amanda test
it's not possible for me to know when this was written but I was surprised to not see Carlos from Saw X, who was put in a trap for "being in the wrong place"
The fact Joyce is not number 1 is insane. Everyone else at least DID something (though Daniel didn't either but at least he had someone protecting him in case something went wrong), but she just.... [checks notes] loved and cherished her husband? I'm sure her death is single-handedly the reason why Saw 3D is so hated. The movie already wasn't good, the traps were lame as hell too, but her death made it the worse Saw movie
Also, I think Zep should've been on this list too. He was literally only tested for having an inferiority complex. Its unfortunate his test including kidnapping innocent people, but he seemed like a genuinely good guy too. Add another to the "tested because of poor mental health" bin
Also that intro still hurts me. I miss Strahm and Gibson. The franchise never felt the same without them
Edit: I thought John saved Logan because he didn't hear the rules and it went against his philosophy (and the only time he really upheld said philosophy too), not just because John didn't think it was worth testing him
Brad and Ryan.
Dr. Gordon's wife and child. I guess technically they weren't in a trap, but they could have died.
They always get me with the thumbnail 😅
When it comes to Mark's trap about "calling in sick to work." Was that stated? I always kind of assumed he was like pretending to be sick with a long-term illness like cancer and getting things out of it and using people, hence why John tested him, since he has cancer and Mark was lying about having cancer.
What about the kid in saw x
Gotta do a 'most deserving' next
I like your qualifiers at the beginning.
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I can't believe that no one ever mentions how Art Blank should have never been tested. It always frustrates me knowing that he was tested literally for doing his job. Yes, he backed up bad guys occasionally, but sometimes lawyers are forced to do that (assuming my dad is a credible source lol). Art never deserved his test just like the rest of these people, and he seemed to get along with John too. Why would John put a friend in a trap to potentially die (well, to be fair, Art's trap was basically rigged for him to win, but still)? Art also never showed any signs of actually supporting the bad guys he was defending, even if he may have come off as creepy and weird at times. He was just a regular man doing his job, and it infuriates me knowing that he was put in a trap.
Paul Leahy was when I was done with Jigsaw's stupid morals already. "Paul you are a perfectly healthy, sane, middle class male" Look here jiggy the guy took a razor to his arm I think we cannot feasibly call him healthy or sane. (saying that as someone who's been there, done that) Can you please just leave the guy a check for a therapist?
Also, about Mark who called in sick... isn't the guy literally appreciating his life? You know, going outside, doing what he likes? I dunno I feel like the guy was having the best time of anyone in the miserable world of saw...
Adam does the same shit jigsaw does. Except without the games. That’s the part I find wild.
*Wildest
The flame trap just hits close to home. I used to call in sick a lot during my school days, just so that I could stat home and play videogames. 😣
not the wife that was abused by the husband in the spikes trap in Saw 4!?
The woman who was skewered to her abusive husband (bro, it’s not that easy to just walk away-that’s the whole point). I get that it was non-fatal for her, but she still had to kill her husband AND pull a bunch of rods out that went straight through her body
You could make a list of about 50 detectives and police/investigative professionals who were killed either via traps or in the crossfire for literally doing their JOBS.
My heart still breaks for you Allison Kerry- Amanda be crazayyy😂
John says Carlos ( young boy in Saw X) is a warrior...later on in Saw John has Jeff and Lynn daughter Corbet locked in play unrevealed location with limited air wow!
Hank not being one is wild.