I don't like Ivan however I think he was important and necessary for the plot and themes of Saw 4 where the entire plot is that Rig needed to stop pursuing Jigsaw and allow jigsaw to enact justice. Ivan is meant to be the peak example of somebody who needs to get tested.
Jigsaw wanted to recruit Rig, so he chose an absolute monster, a sinister, sickening mass of dirt. Feel as I feel, how did you feel when seeing the photos? The clip? His demise? That was the point. In my opinion, his character was actually a smart choice and completely made sense
@@AJsFiguresI don’t think Hoffman and John’s game was trying to recruit Rigg as that was more a diversion away from the Hoffman reveal. Only Strahm believed that maybe Rigg was being recruited because it was his game and the words written on the walls. Riggs game was all about telling him that despite his job he cannot save everyone and that he must learn how to let go. The game was to show Rigg why Jigsaw does what he does and why he tests criminals.
@@Mac_Kymerahe was definitely trying to recruit Rigg. That was his ulterior motive. You just explained why he gave Rigg the games he did. Jigsaw was trying to get him to see his philosophy and he passed the tests with the woman spiked to the man and the r worder, but failed the rest. 100% he was testing Rigg to see if he was willing to let his beliefs go and adhere to Jigsaws. Which he wasn't. He could only rely on Dr Lawrence, at this point he had two recruits sabotaging traps and Jigsaw had already planned Detective Hoffman's demise should anything happen to Jill and Amanda was sorted with the game (which Hoffman rigged) Jigsaw was definitely a recruiter of some of those who survived his games. Remember he recruited the two guys who had to saw the woman open too. He needed an inside guy on the cop force- and Rigg is way more level headed than Hoffman. He was definitely eyeing him up I believe in other renditions of Saw either the comics or the game he tries to recruit Rigg actively as part of the lore
I'm actually quite happy you put John as number 1. although he says "i've never murdered anyone.. in my life, the decisions are up to them" (saw 2), he actually has and it's crazy how this is sort of ignored. So i'm glad you called him a murderer and a torturer too. In Saw 1, he tells Zep "will you murder a mother and a child, to save yourself" so John actually wanted Zep to kill Godron's innocent daughter and wife. makes me wonder, is this a plot flaw? did they make saw 1 without wanting a sequel, so they made jigsaw a really bad person and wanted it to stay like that? In saw 3, he told jeff that their daughter is locked in a room and about to die, so he fully planned jeff's daughter to die if jeff failed. even all of this, i'm STILL sort of on john's side because he's done a lot of good things as well like run a health clinic and make bad people suffer (people who would've got away if john didn't exist)
Wasn't it already set up that Hoffman would save her? Amanda said "Don't trust the one who saves you" to the little girl, and the girl later recites that, which eventuallyclues them off to Hoffman. Amanda whispered that to the girl. Also, Jigsaw set up for Strahm to find her, right? If Jeff killed Strahm and won the game he woulda found his kid simply by living and finding her. She's not being harmed, so the cops will find her location and there's not many places Jigsaw really has to hide a child. He has lots of real estate but she could still be found when police were alerted which was gonna happen no matter the outcome. If Strahm killed Jeff (which happened) they'd be aware that the victims have a missing kid and immediately send out a red alert. The cops woulda already been looking for the lil girl as soon as the parents were pinned as missing which would've been straight away for Lynn as she was a doctor on duty. That would mean her dissapearance and kid missing would be noted immediately and then they'd see that the husbands missing too. But Hoffman rigged his game and saved the little girl to come off as a hero.
@@Shannon-vv6rr thanks for your comment, I'm actually unable to remember. When does amanda tell her this? what film? she is being harmed John says "she has a limited supply of air" or something like that (saw 3 climax scene, just after jeff saws his neck)
I don’t believe he intended Jeff’s daughter to die. I feel like she was always going to be pulled from the game at the end, especially with the new context of Saw X implying that Carlos was his reason to stop involving children in his games. John convinces himself that he’s not a murderer, because he doesn’t want to admit to something he finds “distasteful!” I also think it’s very likely that his brain tumor contributes to blocking out and dismissing whose lives he’s directly responsible for taking. If he can think of himself as a rehabilitator, he doesn’t have to face the reality of his crimes.
I’m glad we can recognize Anna and Ivan falling in some of the top 5 spots, they were both pretty f’d up. Honorable mentions, I’d probably include that teacher from SawIV who hurt that girl and abxsed his wife.
I feel like the big difference between William Easton and Bobby Dagan, is that you hate to love one and love to hate the other. William is someone you watch genuinely struggle with the choices he's given and the mistakes he's made. He wants to save as many people as he can and recognizes that his fellow trap victims are innocent. He knows he has nobody to blame but himself. Bobby on the other hand doesn't feel like he puts any real effort into saving people except for Joyce. And when he fails, it feels like he blames the victims (Nina especially). You want him to lose, and you hate that when he does, he's not even the one to suffer for it.
With Saw X here and revealing the cancer being a scam, it’s implied that William potentially inadvertently attempted to save people from potential scams like John. If I made this list, he wouldn’t even an honorable mention in the list and he wouldn’t be here. Also, he learns the error of his ways and this was the only time Jigsaw’s philosophy worked but he dies in the end making his redemption meaningless. It’s just sad really…
brenda (the girl in the scalping chair) is definitely on my list cause she was apart of sex trafficking. a lot like ivan (rage bait) but still extremely deserving
@@bilalrashad6636 agreed, Lynn deserved to live. Another good one is Debbie. Yeah she jumped the gun with trying to kill William but the second part of her test was kind of bullshit anyway and she was willing to crawl and traverse the steam maze plus William sacrificed for her.
The fact Xavier is not on this list after what we saw him do to Amanda in Saw II with the needle trap that was meant for him is blasphemous! With that being said, I feel like the rest of the list is pretty solid.
Though we all don't like Xavier, he was put in the gas house because he was a drug dealer. He wasn't placed on the list for how bad of a character he was.
The thing with Easton is that he's NOT just doing his job. He has a special team that looks for technicalities to cancel policies without paying. They don't catch these on the front end, and refuse to take their premiums for years. They look specifically for things they can use when a large claim is made. That's not a normal practice in insurance. They might deny certain treatments or make you fight to prove they are necessary, but they're not systematically trying to screw people out of their policies every time one gets really sick. The carousel trap said 2/3 of claims were denied at his company. Normally the industry averages 10-20% depending on the company, and most of those are because they make a judgement about the claim- it's brought on by an undisclosed preexisting condition, they policy doesn't cover that condition, the case doesn't qualify as critical yet, etc., and not because they found an error on their application from 20 years prior. He's legitimately a POS even by insurance industry standards.
19:16 Well, that's the whole *point* of Ivan. Jigsaw's goal was to get Rigg to "feel what he feels." Consequently, the audience must feel what he feels as well. Thus, Ivan was created as the one victim in the franchise no one would ever have sympathy for. And it worked!
my first thought is - solid list in the whole, but I personally would’ve included Rex (the old man who was in the schoolhouse trap for beating his wife and child and forcing them to keep quiet) in the list, probably 3rd behind Ivan. Speaking of Ivan, I do understand and appreciate the idea that Saw is a form of escapism, a break from the horror of the real world. However, for the same kf john’s philosophy, I do think seeing pieces of garbage like Ivan put into these traps are necessary to see, dare I say I’d like to see more of these types tested and tortured than had kf the more goofy ones that lend less credence to what John’s motivations are as a character. As someone who loves delving into character driven narratives and unravel their motivations / relate to their struggles, I like it when John tackles real world issues that I can relate to wanting to see the same justice dealt out against I do think they did go too far with selling Ivan to the audience though, they really didn’t m need to film “those” videos of him. Or even really show the photos in such explicit detail. It’s for those reasons I absolutely understand why people think it was too much, it was for me. They could’ve had the same catharsis of watching him die by just having his crimes named by Jigsaw, showing it was overboard. But watching what happened to him gave me more satisfaction than most Another group I probably would’ve included in the list were the skinheads in Saw 7. The raging racists deserved everything they got Final thing - shoutout to whoever is making these thumbnails. They are insane 😂
Yes I agree with that last part. When I got the notification for this video, the skinheads were the first people to come to mind. I thought they'd be on this list.
My top 10: 10) William Easton 09) Eric Mathews 08) Detective Halloran 07) Seth Baxter 06) Amanda Young (Not the reverse bear trap. I mean her test in saw III) 05) Anna 04) Cecilia Pederson 03) Ivan Landsness 02) John Kramer 01) Mark Hofmann
I have always waited for a mini "twist" about Seth Baxter's and Hoffman's sister death. During his game he says "it was an accident" ... So, was it desperation to ask for mercy or was there really some idea that the writers wanted/want to develop at some point where they show what really happened to Hoffman's sister and that will make Hoffman's whole path of revenge a mistake for a reason? Maybe something that hoffman didn't know about and will change everything he knew about his sister?. But... probably the new producers do not even remember that...
I'll partly disagree with Number 1 here. Yes, John Kramer did EVERYTHING described and a lot more (like forcing multiple people to live with permanent disabilities - not having an arm can certain make a lot od jobs harder). However, I'd argue that his Brain Tumor from the cnacer is likely the cause of all of this. That means for almost all of the Saw series, John Kramer would be considered as potentially "legally speaking as per United States Law" as being insane. If John never got that Brain Tumor, I think he might have only killed Cecil out of revenge and/or Cecelia for choosing to rip him off. I'm not saying John Kramer doesn't deserve to be in a death trap completely, I just don't think he should be number 1 here since Brain Tumors can really mess with your head literally to the point of altering your very personality.
Ivan was perfect for the movie he was AWFUL but thats the point, it actually made rigs make him do the trap as intended instead of trying to save him like the girl in the hair trap. He's awful enough even for just a minute it made rigs understand why jigsaw does what he does.
here's my guesses before i start watchin: the nazis from saw 3d, Cecilia, William Easton, Ivan from saw IV, Rex from Saw 4, glass thrower guy from Spiral, Halloran, maybe Bobby Dagen? i don't agree necessarily but i feel a lot of people would.
u know what i was about to say yea there have gone rogue now with no.1 as john but after the explanation i think it kinda makes sense as john even himself doesn't stick to his ways of punishing and recorrection so kinda deserved good work guys
I love this channel and know Saw is your guys main thing but I’d be really interested in seeing you guys make these type of videos but for other horror franchises
I wouldn't have thought of putting John Kramer on the list personally but I completely understand his inclusion, definitely a character who deserved a taste of his own medicine. But without hindsight I would have gone with: 1) Cecillia Pederson for being a cold-blooded murderous fraud who prey on the weak and the vulnerable; 2) Henry Kessler for being actively recruiting victims for Cecillia; 3) Eric Matthews for police brutality and framing people for crimes they didn't commit; 4) Xavier Chavez for being a prolific drug dealer, ruining plenty of lifes along the way; 5) Cecil Adams for first ruining peoples life with his drug abuse, and eventually being the cause of Jill's miscarriage; 6) Ivan Landsness for being a rapist; 7) Eddie & Simone (last name unknown) for being predatory money lenders; 8) Dina (last name unknown) for manipulate two people into committing crimes for her, more than willingly trying to have them try and sacrifice their lives for her. 9) Rex for being abusive towards his wife and child, with no interest of improving; 10) Bobby Dagen for being a sheer idiot, if you are stupid enough to provoke an active serial killer by making shit up, what's going to happen...
@@fuchsmila To be honest? Yes. My choices are mostly based on how much damage they likely already have caused to others and how willing they are or were to keep doing it. Anna is a cold woman who framed her husband, remorseless and cunning and she definitely deserved to be tested. But the reason why I place Dina above her, is because Anna was just a cold and remorseless woman. She saved her own ass but there is no reason to assume that she would continue ruin lifes. She wasn't a creature of habit. Dina was. While her crimes were lesser, when watched individually, she kept repeating them. She enjoyed manipulating Brad and Ryan into committing crimes for her, using their love for her to have them risk limb and freedom, just to feed both her monitary appetite and her feeling of power. Both women cared not who they had to hurt to save their own skin but only Dina did repeatedly put people so in danger for the kick. And if she had survived the Jigsaw test, she likely would have tried to further manipulate her fellow survivor into doing her bidding further or continue with other victims. Or in short: Anna is dangerous to others in very specific circumstances, Dina however made the constant conscious decision to endanger others. Hence I feel Dina deserved it more. Same reason why Rex and Cecil are on the list but Seth isn't. Seth is a murderer and a piece of shit but there are no clear indications that he was serial abuser (like Rex) or had gotten multiple chances like Cecil, only to further abuse the system and the people around him. Rex might have gotten his life back on the rails again if he had been given a change. Rex and Cecil showed they weren't interested.
@@BjornV1994 you know what, you completely won me over. Amazing explanation. I have some amazing jokes for people who were cut in half, but unfortunately not in english. I bet her boyfriends would love to hear them once I figure out how to translate them XD
When I pause the video my mind was shuffling between John Amanda and Hoffman and I went with Hoffman because he was already unhinged after Saw 6 and bodied anyone that got in his way including the FBI characters police force and Jill.
I agree with the ideas brought up around Ivan. Typically the trap victims have interesting aspects about them that make you REALLY think about if they’re deserving or not of what they’re going through. Ivan has no redeeming quality. You don’t want him to live, so he’s basically just there to add to the kill count.
Lowkey a Bobby lover over here! I get what he did was awful and having Joyce die was a terrible decision, but every time I watch him I'm kinda rooting for him. Maybe I just see the good in people too much! 🤣
I am not sure Anna should be outside the top 3. In my mind, she is worse than Cecilia because she killed a small child. Do you think she would be higher if she wasn't in a weaker movie?
I know this video is older but I have watched over and over and over again because I love it but there’s one part that always kills me: Bobby dagan didn’t survive! Before Hoffman is caught my Dr.Gordan , he blows up the building that Bobby is in so canonically he dies in the building after he sees his wife died
Thank you so much for watching! There will be more Saw top 10s in the future we promise! On the Bobby Dagen note- officially the saw 3d website and director Kevin Greutert both confirmed that Bobby actually survived! Although, we do not hope to ever see him again haha Thanks again for watching ! 😍😍
Tbh, I thought Hoffman was going to be #1, but the reason for Jigsaw makes more sense regarding the fact that him and Amanda likely wouldn't have gone down that path if it weren't for his influence.
I actually guessed your #1 choice before you mentioned the name, I was right! The clue you gave that led me to pick Mr. Kramer himself was that he has a lot of screen time in the films, logically that would be Jigsaw!
Mitch should also been on this list. He killed John's nephew. Also I got the #1 right. I knew you were going to chose him because of what happened in Saw X
Suggestion: You should do the 10 best/worst traps from the saw franchise. Seems like you've done most stuff except the best and worst traps. Only problem might be that there could be a lot of traps that you could see coming. Still something you guys should consider!
Was jigsaw really tested because it was all apart of his plan only part of that I can say he was tested would be because the little kid was put into it
Here's Mine: 10. Ryan (Jigsaw) 9. Bobby Dagen 8. William Easton 7. Eric Matthews 6. Rex (Saw IV) 5. Seth Baxter 4. Cecilia Pederson 3. Anna (Jigsaw) 2. Ivan Landsness 1. Brenda (Saw IV)
How on earth John knew that Anna killed the baby is beyond me and overall lazy writing, much like the rest of the film Jigsaw to be honest. There was nothing for John to assume other than her shouting shut-up, postnatal depression is a thing. The husband could have made the mistake and turned himself in. The guilt got the better of him so he done the most selfish act possible whilst alone in prison.
"Selfish" the dude was full of guilt from thinking he killed his baby and thought an eye for an eye, maybe we shouldn't be calling people with depression selfish
@@PigBoy99 regardless of any circumstance, the adage is that the Su***de word is a selfish act. That person does it for themselves but that is their choice and I will never condone anyone under their predicaments.
Ivan should be number one. The guy Rigg beat up in 4 for abusing his wife, and child should be 2. I don't feel like Jigsaw truly should be on this list. Although yes, he turned vigilante and punished those who truly took life for granted and hurt others throughout their lives, I don't think any jigsaw traps were unwarranted other than Mark from the first movie with the adhesive on his body.
Hey Adam and Zoey. I have another question I wish was answered. What happened to Corbett Denlon by the end of Saw 7? I wish we found out more what happened to her.
Is it bad I really loved Halloran though? He was one of my favorite characters. Like, a love to hate character, like what you guys think of Easton and Hoffman (or at least a lot of people love to hate Hoffman, not you guys specifically) Also, didn't Cecil technically "survive" his trap? At least the knife trap portion. The reason he failed is because he let his anger towards John get the best of him. I disagree with that one sentence on Baxtor's section lol
I think Hoffman should be first place his trap being the bear trap but their argument that he was caused by jigsaw, he killed before him, he was a bad cop and killed the most innocent people it was to survive but John never killed anyone to survive might say the nurse but they believed that she could help him survive thanks to the dr in the first movie and she wasn’t gonna really die for a while so she could have survived and Hoffman killed at least 6-8 officers if I’m not mistaken for just doing their job
I agree with Ivan's placement, but I think he's not a great character because for me, Saw is about showing the complexity of human behavior. Most of the characters do horrible things. But do they deserve torture? For the most part, I'd say no, because people can do bad things without being completely bad people. That's why we love Eric Matthews, William Easton, etc. They deserve punishment, but not the horrible painful death itself. Ivan just does deserve it. He's not interesting in the same way because he is an example of people who do the most evil shit for fun, so he has no redeeming qualities that make you care. He should've been an opening scene and nothing more.
Can we all just agree that we feel kinda bad for Anna postpartum depression is not talked about enough so she probably didn’t even realize that she had it so when she killed her baby instead of getting help before she got to that point she kept it in in fear of getting shamed and when it happened she didn’t know what to do so she did the only thing she could think of and blamed her husband I’m not saying it was wrong but because her brain was messed up she didn’t realize that and then she ended up accidentally tricking herself into believing her own lies and this is the reason why postpartum depression needs to be talked about more, this actually happens to real people.
IMMEDIATE DISAGREE. William Easton set the rules and guidelines for his company, his policies were his decision. That's not the sad reality of the world we live in, it's the sad reality of letting people monetize healthcare.
John isn't a murderer. He's never murdered anyone. Hoffman should have been number one. John didn't create him. And Hoffman has definitely killed people. Saw 3D
I think what’s bad about Ivan’s character is that he is so 2 dimensional. There no nuance to him. You don’t get to think about the morals of the character. It’s just cut and dry that it’s not even fun to hate him like you do with Cecilia
I don't like Ivan however I think he was important and necessary for the plot and themes of Saw 4 where the entire plot is that Rig needed to stop pursuing Jigsaw and allow jigsaw to enact justice. Ivan is meant to be the peak example of somebody who needs to get tested.
Ivan was created as rage bait. To get us craving blood, especially the fact that he left the TV running off videos of his victims crying
Rage bait indeed! Terrible! Haha
Jigsaw wanted to recruit Rig, so he chose an absolute monster, a sinister, sickening mass of dirt. Feel as I feel, how did you feel when seeing the photos? The clip? His demise? That was the point. In my opinion, his character was actually a smart choice and completely made sense
@@AJsFiguresI don’t think Hoffman and John’s game was trying to recruit Rigg as that was more a diversion away from the Hoffman reveal. Only Strahm believed that maybe Rigg was being recruited because it was his game and the words written on the walls.
Riggs game was all about telling him that despite his job he cannot save everyone and that he must learn how to let go. The game was to show Rigg why Jigsaw does what he does and why he tests criminals.
@@Mac_Kymerahe was definitely trying to recruit Rigg. That was his ulterior motive. You just explained why he gave Rigg the games he did. Jigsaw was trying to get him to see his philosophy and he passed the tests with the woman spiked to the man and the r worder, but failed the rest. 100% he was testing Rigg to see if he was willing to let his beliefs go and adhere to Jigsaws. Which he wasn't. He could only rely on Dr Lawrence, at this point he had two recruits sabotaging traps and Jigsaw had already planned Detective Hoffman's demise should anything happen to Jill and Amanda was sorted with the game (which Hoffman rigged) Jigsaw was definitely a recruiter of some of those who survived his games. Remember he recruited the two guys who had to saw the woman open too.
He needed an inside guy on the cop force- and Rigg is way more level headed than Hoffman. He was definitely eyeing him up I believe in other renditions of Saw either the comics or the game he tries to recruit Rigg actively as part of the lore
Totally and I love it. Saw producers said "You REALLY wanna call the first one gore corn?? 🙄" "Fine. You get your wish. Watch a POS die"
I'm actually quite happy you put John as number 1.
although he says "i've never murdered anyone.. in my life, the decisions are up to them" (saw 2), he actually has and it's crazy how this is sort of ignored.
So i'm glad you called him a murderer and a torturer too.
In Saw 1, he tells Zep "will you murder a mother and a child, to save yourself" so John actually wanted Zep to kill Godron's innocent daughter and wife.
makes me wonder, is this a plot flaw? did they make saw 1 without wanting a sequel, so they made jigsaw a really bad person and wanted it to stay like that?
In saw 3, he told jeff that their daughter is locked in a room and about to die, so he fully planned jeff's daughter to die if jeff failed.
even all of this, i'm STILL sort of on john's side because he's done a lot of good things as well like run a health clinic and make bad people suffer (people who would've got away if john didn't exist)
We love John! But oh yeh, he’s been caught out many times on his broken ideology! 🫡❤️
@@HorrorSauceoh YES!
Also, I love yoru creative thumbnails, they're hilarious!!
Wasn't it already set up that Hoffman would save her? Amanda said "Don't trust the one who saves you" to the little girl, and the girl later recites that, which eventuallyclues them off to Hoffman. Amanda whispered that to the girl.
Also, Jigsaw set up for Strahm to find her, right? If Jeff killed Strahm and won the game he woulda found his kid simply by living and finding her. She's not being harmed, so the cops will find her location and there's not many places Jigsaw really has to hide a child. He has lots of real estate but she could still be found when police were alerted which was gonna happen no matter the outcome. If Strahm killed Jeff (which happened) they'd be aware that the victims have a missing kid and immediately send out a red alert. The cops woulda already been looking for the lil girl as soon as the parents were pinned as missing which would've been straight away for Lynn as she was a doctor on duty. That would mean her dissapearance and kid missing would be noted immediately and then they'd see that the husbands missing too. But Hoffman rigged his game and saved the little girl to come off as a hero.
@@Shannon-vv6rr thanks for your comment, I'm actually unable to remember.
When does amanda tell her this? what film?
she is being harmed John says "she has a limited supply of air" or something like that (saw 3 climax scene, just after jeff saws his neck)
I don’t believe he intended Jeff’s daughter to die. I feel like she was always going to be pulled from the game at the end, especially with the new context of Saw X implying that Carlos was his reason to stop involving children in his games. John convinces himself that he’s not a murderer, because he doesn’t want to admit to something he finds “distasteful!” I also think it’s very likely that his brain tumor contributes to blocking out and dismissing whose lives he’s directly responsible for taking. If he can think of himself as a rehabilitator, he doesn’t have to face the reality of his crimes.
I’m glad we can recognize Anna and Ivan falling in some of the top 5 spots, they were both pretty f’d up. Honorable mentions, I’d probably include that teacher from SawIV who hurt that girl and abxsed his wife.
Rex. I’m surprised he wasn’t mentioned
100% Rex was in my top 3 for being a wife and child beater.
I feel like the big difference between William Easton and Bobby Dagan, is that you hate to love one and love to hate the other. William is someone you watch genuinely struggle with the choices he's given and the mistakes he's made. He wants to save as many people as he can and recognizes that his fellow trap victims are innocent. He knows he has nobody to blame but himself. Bobby on the other hand doesn't feel like he puts any real effort into saving people except for Joyce. And when he fails, it feels like he blames the victims (Nina especially). You want him to lose, and you hate that when he does, he's not even the one to suffer for it.
Saw is definitely great for love to hate characters- and we also love how everybody has their different favourites!
With Saw X here and revealing the cancer being a scam, it’s implied that William potentially inadvertently attempted to save people from potential scams like John. If I made this list, he wouldn’t even an honorable mention in the list and he wouldn’t be here. Also, he learns the error of his ways and this was the only time Jigsaw’s philosophy worked but he dies in the end making his redemption meaningless. It’s just sad really…
John at number one is honestly something I didn't expect, but wow. Great job!! I fully agree
Thank you! Our top spots are often a little surprising, but this one definitely fit well! 😍
brenda (the girl in the scalping chair) is definitely on my list cause she was apart of sex trafficking. a lot like ivan (rage bait) but still extremely deserving
How about "Top victims that we cheer for them to survive"
Good suggestion. My number 1 was Gabriella.
Some of these break our heart every time!
@@xfighters3913i agree
@@xfighters3913I think Lynn from Saw 3 should've survived, I always thought her game was unfair
@@bilalrashad6636 agreed, Lynn deserved to live. Another good one is Debbie. Yeah she jumped the gun with trying to kill William but the second part of her test was kind of bullshit anyway and she was willing to crawl and traverse the steam maze plus William sacrificed for her.
The fact Xavier is not on this list after what we saw him do to Amanda in Saw II with the needle trap that was meant for him is blasphemous! With that being said, I feel like the rest of the list is pretty solid.
Though we all don't like Xavier, he was put in the gas house because he was a drug dealer. He wasn't placed on the list for how bad of a character he was.
Huh... What about the n4z1s in Saw 3D?!
What’s an N4Z1?
nazi, it's a way to spell it without things flagging it on auto mod, but i don't think it particularly matters for youtube comments@@spectrex3169
What have they done?
@@spectrex3169he is talking about the Neo-Nazis in saw 3D
@@reikolight I think the tape said it’s because they were racist or something along those lines?
The thing with Easton is that he's NOT just doing his job. He has a special team that looks for technicalities to cancel policies without paying. They don't catch these on the front end, and refuse to take their premiums for years. They look specifically for things they can use when a large claim is made. That's not a normal practice in insurance. They might deny certain treatments or make you fight to prove they are necessary, but they're not systematically trying to screw people out of their policies every time one gets really sick. The carousel trap said 2/3 of claims were denied at his company. Normally the industry averages 10-20% depending on the company, and most of those are because they make a judgement about the claim- it's brought on by an undisclosed preexisting condition, they policy doesn't cover that condition, the case doesn't qualify as critical yet, etc., and not because they found an error on their application from 20 years prior. He's legitimately a POS even by insurance industry standards.
Cecilia first place -100 percent- 99%
Hahaha it’s a pretty close one
The thumbnail is so cool and cute!
It seems like Amanda is gently and tenderly taking care of Zoe 😘🤭🤗.
Amanda is so sweet! 😍😍
The thumbnail is me af. I have such a crush on Amanda in Saw 3!
youre so real for that 😭
I did not expect John to be #1, but I fully agree! Dude is straight up evil.
Great video as always! 🌀❤️
19:16 Well, that's the whole *point* of Ivan. Jigsaw's goal was to get Rigg to "feel what he feels." Consequently, the audience must feel what he feels as well.
Thus, Ivan was created as the one victim in the franchise no one would ever have sympathy for. And it worked!
Love you guys!!
I expected Ivan to be #1, everything about his character is disturbing and the skinheads from saw 7 somewhere near #2 or #3
Thank you so much as always! 😍😍😍
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Ivan definitely well deserving of trap! 🧩
my first thought is - solid list in the whole, but I personally would’ve included Rex (the old man who was in the schoolhouse trap for beating his wife and child and forcing them to keep quiet) in the list, probably 3rd behind Ivan.
Speaking of Ivan, I do understand and appreciate the idea that Saw is a form of escapism, a break from the horror of the real world. However, for the same kf john’s philosophy, I do think seeing pieces of garbage like Ivan put into these traps are necessary to see, dare I say I’d like to see more of these types tested and tortured than had kf the more goofy ones that lend less credence to what John’s motivations are as a character. As someone who loves delving into character driven narratives and unravel their motivations / relate to their struggles, I like it when John tackles real world issues that I can relate to
wanting to see the same justice dealt out against
I do think they did go too far with selling Ivan to the audience though, they really didn’t m need to film “those” videos of him. Or even really show the photos in such explicit detail. It’s for those reasons I absolutely understand why people think it was too much, it was for me. They could’ve had the same catharsis of watching him die by just having his crimes named by Jigsaw, showing it was overboard. But watching what happened to him gave me more satisfaction than most
Another group I probably would’ve included in the list were the skinheads in Saw 7. The raging racists deserved everything they got
Final thing - shoutout to whoever is making these thumbnails. They are insane 😂
Yes I agree with that last part. When I got the notification for this video, the skinheads were the first people to come to mind. I thought they'd be on this list.
I love your thumbnails, this one is so good! 👌
Yes! Thank you!! 😍
@@HorrorSauceJustice for Zoe! I think Adam needs to be in a thumbnail!
honestly i love hearing you two talk about saw. im so glad i found your channel and im excited to see where yall go
My top 10:
10) William Easton
09) Eric Mathews
08) Detective Halloran
07) Seth Baxter
06) Amanda Young (Not the reverse bear trap. I mean her test in saw III)
05) Anna
04) Cecilia Pederson
03) Ivan Landsness
02) John Kramer
01) Mark Hofmann
I have always waited for a mini "twist" about Seth Baxter's and Hoffman's sister death. During his game he says "it was an accident" ... So, was it desperation to ask for mercy or was there really some idea that the writers wanted/want to develop at some point where they show what really happened to Hoffman's sister and that will make Hoffman's whole path of revenge a mistake for a reason? Maybe something that hoffman didn't know about and will change everything he knew about his sister?.
But... probably the new producers do not even remember that...
4:15 “Jigsaw doesn’t always make great choices”
* Shows Jill * 💀💀💀
I'll partly disagree with Number 1 here. Yes, John Kramer did EVERYTHING described and a lot more (like forcing multiple people to live with permanent disabilities - not having an arm can certain make a lot od jobs harder). However, I'd argue that his Brain Tumor from the cnacer is likely the cause of all of this. That means for almost all of the Saw series, John Kramer would be considered as potentially "legally speaking as per United States Law" as being insane.
If John never got that Brain Tumor, I think he might have only killed Cecil out of revenge and/or Cecelia for choosing to rip him off. I'm not saying John Kramer doesn't deserve to be in a death trap completely, I just don't think he should be number 1 here since Brain Tumors can really mess with your head literally to the point of altering your very personality.
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*Dead Meat enters the chat*
Ivan was perfect for the movie he was AWFUL but thats the point, it actually made rigs make him do the trap as intended instead of trying to save him like the girl in the hair trap. He's awful enough even for just a minute it made rigs understand why jigsaw does what he does.
here's my guesses before i start watchin: the nazis from saw 3d, Cecilia, William Easton, Ivan from saw IV, Rex from Saw 4, glass thrower guy from Spiral, Halloran, maybe Bobby Dagen? i don't agree necessarily but i feel a lot of people would.
Hoffman is responsible for a lot of those deaths attributed to Jigsaw. And Seth Baxter pretty much made Hoffman, John made him into the Hoffmanator
Jill and Amanda just pissed him off even more
I thought when you said John you meant the end of Saw 3. That makes sense too though.
Lol the thumbnails always gets me😂
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u know what i was about to say yea there have gone rogue now with no.1 as john but after the explanation i think it kinda makes sense as john even himself doesn't stick to his ways of punishing and recorrection so kinda deserved good work guys
I love this channel and know Saw is your guys main thing but I’d be really interested in seeing you guys make these type of videos but for other horror franchises
We have begun filming for other franchises and those episodes are coming to a screen near you very soon!! 😍
@@HorrorSauceyay!! I can’t wait🙏🏼
Been loving these videos! I've been really enjoying both of your insights on the series. My latest 'go-to' series when I'm relaxing with UA-cam on
Thank you!! 😍
I wouldn't have thought of putting John Kramer on the list personally but I completely understand his inclusion, definitely a character who deserved a taste of his own medicine.
But without hindsight I would have gone with:
1) Cecillia Pederson for being a cold-blooded murderous fraud who prey on the weak and the vulnerable;
2) Henry Kessler for being actively recruiting victims for Cecillia;
3) Eric Matthews for police brutality and framing people for crimes they didn't commit;
4) Xavier Chavez for being a prolific drug dealer, ruining plenty of lifes along the way;
5) Cecil Adams for first ruining peoples life with his drug abuse, and eventually being the cause of Jill's miscarriage;
6) Ivan Landsness for being a rapist;
7) Eddie & Simone (last name unknown) for being predatory money lenders;
8) Dina (last name unknown) for manipulate two people into committing crimes for her, more than willingly trying to have them try and sacrifice their lives for her.
9) Rex for being abusive towards his wife and child, with no interest of improving;
10) Bobby Dagen for being a sheer idiot, if you are stupid enough to provoke an active serial killer by making shit up, what's going to happen...
Really? Dina over the woman who killed her own baby and made her husband commit the byebye?
@@fuchsmila To be honest? Yes. My choices are mostly based on how much damage they likely already have caused to others and how willing they are or were to keep doing it. Anna is a cold woman who framed her husband, remorseless and cunning and she definitely deserved to be tested. But the reason why I place Dina above her, is because Anna was just a cold and remorseless woman. She saved her own ass but there is no reason to assume that she would continue ruin lifes. She wasn't a creature of habit. Dina was. While her crimes were lesser, when watched individually, she kept repeating them. She enjoyed manipulating Brad and Ryan into committing crimes for her, using their love for her to have them risk limb and freedom, just to feed both her monitary appetite and her feeling of power. Both women cared not who they had to hurt to save their own skin but only Dina did repeatedly put people so in danger for the kick. And if she had survived the Jigsaw test, she likely would have tried to further manipulate her fellow survivor into doing her bidding further or continue with other victims.
Or in short: Anna is dangerous to others in very specific circumstances, Dina however made the constant conscious decision to endanger others. Hence I feel Dina deserved it more. Same reason why Rex and Cecil are on the list but Seth isn't. Seth is a murderer and a piece of shit but there are no clear indications that he was serial abuser (like Rex) or had gotten multiple chances like Cecil, only to further abuse the system and the people around him. Rex might have gotten his life back on the rails again if he had been given a change. Rex and Cecil showed they weren't interested.
@@BjornV1994 you know what, you completely won me over. Amazing explanation. I have some amazing jokes for people who were cut in half, but unfortunately not in english. I bet her boyfriends would love to hear them once I figure out how to translate them XD
When I pause the video my mind was shuffling between John Amanda and Hoffman and I went with Hoffman because he was already unhinged after Saw 6 and bodied anyone that got in his way including the FBI characters police force and Jill.
THE THUMBNAIL😭😭😭I LOVE IT
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Number one: Hoffman. Called before reveal.
Wrong. Bummer! :)
Hoffman was definitely a popular choice! Haha ❤️
I agree with the ideas brought up around Ivan. Typically the trap victims have interesting aspects about them that make you REALLY think about if they’re deserving or not of what they’re going through. Ivan has no redeeming quality. You don’t want him to live, so he’s basically just there to add to the kill count.
Lowkey a Bobby lover over here! I get what he did was awful and having Joyce die was a terrible decision, but every time I watch him I'm kinda rooting for him. Maybe I just see the good in people too much! 🤣
Love the content. Your thumbnails crack me up 🤣
I love Gibson, stop it 😂😂
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am i the only one who thinks that the fatal five (or brit and mallick at least) should be on the list?
I am not sure Anna should be outside the top 3. In my mind, she is worse than Cecilia because she killed a small child.
Do you think she would be higher if she wasn't in a weaker movie?
Anna, Rex, and Ivan deserve it the most.
I know this video is older but I have watched over and over and over again because I love it but there’s one part that always kills me: Bobby dagan didn’t survive! Before Hoffman is caught my Dr.Gordan , he blows up the building that Bobby is in so canonically he dies in the building after he sees his wife died
Thank you so much for watching! There will be more Saw top 10s in the future we promise!
On the Bobby Dagen note- officially the saw 3d website and director Kevin Greutert both confirmed that Bobby actually survived!
Although, we do not hope to ever see him again haha
Thanks again for watching ! 😍😍
Tbh, I thought Hoffman was going to be #1, but the reason for Jigsaw makes more sense regarding the fact that him and Amanda likely wouldn't have gone down that path if it weren't for his influence.
Lol you look so pleased to have Amanda put that trap on you 😂
Celia better be number one 😂😂😂
Hahahha, She’s definitely right up there!!!
honesly I was expecting people from the pound of flesh, but your picks also mostly alighn with mine
Number 1 is obvious!
I actually guessed your #1 choice before you mentioned the name, I was right! The clue you gave that led me to pick Mr. Kramer himself was that he has a lot of screen time in the films, logically that would be Jigsaw!
How did John know Anna killed her baby?
Mitch should also been on this list. He killed John's nephew.
Also I got the #1 right. I knew you were going to chose him because of what happened in Saw X
Well played!! 🫡🫡
This channel is kinda blowing up
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The fact that John was HIGHLY AND VOCALLY, pissed at Cecilia about her sins. F*** her!!
But the actress did an amazing job! Job well done girly.
Suggestion: You should do the 10 best/worst traps from the saw franchise. Seems like you've done most stuff except the best and worst traps. Only problem might be that there could be a lot of traps that you could see coming. Still something you guys should consider!
Ironically Donnie plays kind of a rough cop in blue bloods too 😊
Resisting urge to watch Blue Bloods…
Was jigsaw really tested because it was all apart of his plan only part of that I can say he was tested would be because the little kid was put into it
Cecilia put a child in one of the traps-HOW could she only be number 3?
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Here's Mine:
10. Ryan (Jigsaw)
9. Bobby Dagen
8. William Easton
7. Eric Matthews
6. Rex (Saw IV)
5. Seth Baxter
4. Cecilia Pederson
3. Anna (Jigsaw)
2. Ivan Landsness
1. Brenda (Saw IV)
brenda was just a prositute? wasn’t she? she didn’t hurt anyone?
@@heyheyheyeheyheyeheyheyheyShe was a pimp, responsible for recruiting underage girls and exploiting them for profit.
@heyheyheyeheyheyeheyheyhey no she pimped and sold out underaged girls
How on earth John knew that Anna killed the baby is beyond me and overall lazy writing, much like the rest of the film Jigsaw to be honest.
There was nothing for John to assume other than her shouting shut-up, postnatal depression is a thing. The husband could have made the mistake and turned himself in. The guilt got the better of him so he done the most selfish act possible whilst alone in prison.
"Selfish" the dude was full of guilt from thinking he killed his baby and thought an eye for an eye, maybe we shouldn't be calling people with depression selfish
@@PigBoy99 regardless of any circumstance, the adage is that the Su***de word is a selfish act. That person does it for themselves but that is their choice and I will never condone anyone under their predicaments.
@@Mac_Kymeratrust me, I def agree it's never the answer, but it's also typically a thing where they don't have time to think about it
I think Gibson is the guy on final destination as the guy killed by the shower curtain
The knife chair is honestly so horrible, like I can imagine what it would be like which makes it so much worse.
Ivan should be number one. The guy Rigg beat up in 4 for abusing his wife, and child should be 2. I don't feel like Jigsaw truly should be on this list. Although yes, he turned vigilante and punished those who truly took life for granted and hurt others throughout their lives, I don't think any jigsaw traps were unwarranted other than Mark from the first movie with the adhesive on his body.
Hey Adam and Zoey. I have another question I wish was answered. What happened to Corbett Denlon by the end of Saw 7? I wish we found out more what happened to her.
Is it bad I really loved Halloran though? He was one of my favorite characters. Like, a love to hate character, like what you guys think of Easton and Hoffman (or at least a lot of people love to hate Hoffman, not you guys specifically)
Also, didn't Cecil technically "survive" his trap? At least the knife trap portion. The reason he failed is because he let his anger towards John get the best of him. I disagree with that one sentence on Baxtor's section lol
I was so sure that Cecilia would be number one.
I think Hoffman should be first place his trap being the bear trap but their argument that he was caused by jigsaw, he killed before him, he was a bad cop and killed the most innocent people it was to survive but John never killed anyone to survive might say the nurse but they believed that she could help him survive thanks to the dr in the first movie and she wasn’t gonna really die for a while so she could have survived and Hoffman killed at least 6-8 officers if I’m not mistaken for just doing their job
#1 is Rex. Final answer
What did Matt Gibson do btw? I forgot what he did wrong and when i searched it up it just says that he gets killed by that damn turret😭
0:41 William was following policies but he also redeems himself but his death made all his actions of being a good guy and badass meaningless…
The fact that you didn’t put the guy in there that pushed Amanda into the needles is baffling
Oh I enjoyed Ivan and Cecil suffering…
Mark Hoffman in Top3
all i know is that i think ivan is gonna be on this list
Definitely had to be! Haha
Ivan was 100% the most deserving and Jigsaw should go more after such people instead of people calling in sick.
John is one of my favorite villains, but even I agree that he's a hypocrite.
We love John! 😍
@@HorrorSauce me too. I especially enjoy the creativity behind his traps. Very few of them are the same.
Bobby has to be top 5 easily
This content is great food for the brain 😀🧠
I agree with Ivan's placement, but I think he's not a great character because for me, Saw is about showing the complexity of human behavior. Most of the characters do horrible things. But do they deserve torture? For the most part, I'd say no, because people can do bad things without being completely bad people. That's why we love Eric Matthews, William Easton, etc. They deserve punishment, but not the horrible painful death itself. Ivan just does deserve it. He's not interesting in the same way because he is an example of people who do the most evil shit for fun, so he has no redeeming qualities that make you care. He should've been an opening scene and nothing more.
Bro, I love Gibson lmaooo
Yay! Hoping you guys would do this ❤ though you're both gonna end up in a trap for putting that person no.1 😂
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John Kramer must be on first place!
Absolutely!! 😂
1:21 I mean it is more the reality of America than of life in general cos you know some countries do have medical insurance for all...
#1 Jigsaw himself lol
I guessed right haha
I wanted to say number is to be Hoffman
I think the knife trap is the easiest and least painful one tbh.
Anna should at least be in top 3
Can we all just agree that we feel kinda bad for Anna postpartum depression is not talked about enough so she probably didn’t even realize that she had it so when she killed her baby instead of getting help before she got to that point she kept it in in fear of getting shamed and when it happened she didn’t know what to do so she did the only thing she could think of and blamed her husband I’m not saying it was wrong but because her brain was messed up she didn’t realize that and then she ended up accidentally tricking herself into believing her own lies and this is the reason why postpartum depression needs to be talked about more, this actually happens to real people.
An all around horrible storyline for everyone involved! Nobody having a good time here, especially Anna!
100%, although the illness doesn’t get much traction when the writing doesn’t take into account how on earth John knew that Anna did it.
I'm sry but where did u get that mug in the background? I want it, I want to drink out of it like im about to create chaos!
Ivan top 3
Ivan
Cecilia
Hoffman
Cecil
Anna
Always had to be up there! 🫡
IMMEDIATE DISAGREE. William Easton set the rules and guidelines for his company, his policies were his decision. That's not the sad reality of the world we live in, it's the sad reality of letting people monetize healthcare.
How about Top 10 Cops In The Saw Movies?
I still think Hoffman should've been on there
Why is poor Zoey always the one in the trap in the thumbnail? :(
She loves being in a trap! Look how happy she is! Haha
I knew John would be at number 1 and I totally agree that he's the most deserving. He's such a hypocrite that even in his eyes, he's worthy of a trap.
John isn't a murderer. He's never murdered anyone. Hoffman should have been number one. John didn't create him. And Hoffman has definitely killed people. Saw 3D
I think what’s bad about Ivan’s character is that he is so 2 dimensional. There no nuance to him. You don’t get to think about the morals of the character. It’s just cut and dry that it’s not even fun to hate him like you do with Cecilia
Ivan
The first one to come to mind every time right?
@@HorrorSauce yup