Jim Cornette on Referees Kicking Hands Off The Ropes
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- From Episode 256 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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People get my name wrong all the time, but "Mr. Hoo Hoo from Hee Haw, Ohio," is certainly a new one. Thanks to Brian for getting my name right and thanks to Jim for answering my question.
Awesome hearing a question from someone near me. We live in Hebron.
As a former indy ref, I love hearing these referee lore stories. A while back, Bill Behrens posted an NWA referee rule book that said in tag team matches, teams were only allowed to interrupt one pinfall and any subsequent breakups would be a disqualification. Wish that was still enforced. It would make those breakups more dramatic.
Good point. I kinda remember David Crockett mentioning a team would use their one “save.”
@@michaelrood2751 I remember that as well.
Think they generally follow this rule in wwe tag matches but they don’t actually make the rule known.
As a person who comments on UA-cam videos
@@DrippySpaff They don't
Jim's answer to the Stan Lane question was great. You could tell when he said "Mmm hmm..." that he was going to give a short, non-stooging answer.
Lauren Boebert's mother?
@@danielburger1775 I think that happened during the Fabulous Ones before Midnight.
Everybody already knew what the answer would be.
Translation: He hit that shit
Stan Lee*
Tommy Young was the king of kicking Ric Flairs hands off the ropes! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes, he was! 😄
Tommy Young is one of the all time best refs.
@@Gotchism4Life No doubt.
Then he’d push tommy but tommy would push him back, and flair would sell it like he was shoved by Mark Henry
@@Meatball2022 Right!! Damn, those were the days, man. There was nothing like watching wrestling on Saturdays, back in the day.
I am very interested in Jim watching Gunther vs Nakamura & his review. I know Nakamura isn’t his favorite, but honestly his performance with Gunther was great. Had a sports entertainment & a wrestling match broke out!!
One day I hope to find someone who loves me as much as Hebner loved this spot.
lol- good luck man.
It can happen, it just takes time to find the right 1.
mood lmao
@@tylermcnally8232 you got that backwards pal
..if you dont get loved, there might always be a twin...
imagine being known as Mr hee hoo from hoo hah, the guy who asked the question is forever immortalised lol
I love hearing these origin stories. The recent drop-down story was great, too.
I thought Tommy Young too Lol, I remember he would also push Flair back if Ric did it to him first sometimes
He’d shove Flair back and then point to his NWA Official logo 🤣
Great email. Great question
The way Travis always does Tony's eyes cracks me up! 🤣
It's coke eyes
TK looks like a South Park character 😂
It's his circle eyes.
Tony Khan _IS_ a South Park character...
Oh, Travis, never change.
"Because Pop" is AEW's mantra!
I have always wondered this question. The first time I saw it was Starcade '97 with Sting Vs Hogan. Sting put Hogan in the Scorpion Deathlock, and Hogan reached the bottom rope. He held onto it, and Sting was actually pointing at Hogan's hand. The ref counted 5 to Hogan, then he kicked his hand to make him let go. It happened again at Superbrawl '98 as well.
I try to forget Hogan vs Sting because the only match I remember is the Starcade debacle that pretty much killed off Sting's crow gimmick.
a good example of this was during one of my favourite match, triple h and stone cold against Jericho and Benoit. Hunter was cheating like a bloody bastard from the beginning and at a point got Benoit in a stretch hold and grabbed the rope to keep his balance, the referee noticed it and warned him but Hunter kept garbing the rope so the referee finally kicks his hand, Benoit counters him and get to tag Jericho, it got a massive pop and lead into a great hot tag.
this the match where Triple H tears his quad?
@@BrndnNZT48 Yep that's the one
Vintage HHH, always grabbing ropes when he does his abdominal stretch, headlock, figure four, kneebar, etc submission spots. As an HHH mark, I loved his timing of working the crowd and pacing interaction with the refs.
I remember Heels using ropes for leverage during submission holds while the ref would be focused on the Babyface. If the Ref would catch that the Ref would beat the hand off the rope. I also remember Heels and Faces using the ropes to break holds a lot.
..yeahhh.like...Wrestling...:-)
3:17 "and people got in the business that just remembered spots instead of understanding what it was all about" modern wrestling in general
Perfect answer to snake question! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 only Corny he had me rollin with this one!!
In the PNW territory, referee Sandy Barr (father of Jesse and Art Barr) often kicked the ropes to break the heel's grip on it. There were some excellent chickenshit heels in the territory, such as Playboy Buddy Rose.
Bender is great!
*DO THE BENDER!*
I more remember Arn Anderson trying to cheat while having someone in an Abdominal Stretch, and the ref would knock his hands off the ropes to stop him from cheating.
That was one of Scott Hall's signature spots, though sometimes he grab the hand of one of the nWo mooks on the floor. I remember when he was doing the drunk gimmick instead of reaching for the ropes he had Virgil hand him his drink. He did it as Razor too, though not so much when he turned face.
That's the one move you don't see as much these days if ever can you imagine Orange Cassidy trying an abdominal stretch
@@Cruising_On_Lake_Havasoma A signature HHH spot too.
I only remember this happening during an octopus stretch and the heel got leverage a few times before they got caught.
Same here, always on the abdominal stretch.
I eat cheese. I friggin love all kinds of cheese. I love cheese so much that I might start a cheese club. I really love cheese.
I can tell you like fumunda cheese the best!
Sounds like a "Gouda" idea, hahahaha
"There is the corpse referee again. Like in every Young Bucks match" Jim Cornette
Imagine jim being hired to do eulogies ... He studies your life for few days then does your eulogies 🤣
*eulogy
however there is a risk, he will stumble into his sponsor plug like codecademy or magic spoon in the middle of his eulogy speech XDDD
@@JaculaDudek ☠️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭
I heard it in my head just now too..
Last words of eulogy..
Jim: he was a great man that will be sadly missed and now he'll be laying in the clouds in heaven..
Hey folks, speaking of Layin down in the clouds does your mattress give u back problems.... Are u able to lay peacefully and comfortably like our dear friend here?.... 😁🤣😭
@@dhotnessmcawesome9747 thank u 1🎯🎯
@@cjempire1188 could be worse. Could be Manscaped.
“He was a good man, always kept himself well groomed. And folks, if your downstairs is in disarray, if your pubes aren’t safe for the general public, if your balls aren’t as bald as Stone Cold Steve Austin, use promo code JCE20 to save 20% off Manscaped!” 😂
Movies USED to have build ups and pay offs... Now it's all just about the action and subverting your expectations.
Amazing observation.
Who you say is the worst referee in AEW: Corpse Referee Rick Knox or Aubrey “Spotlight” Edwards?
Aubry is the worst ref In History
@@ronniejdio9411 Aubrey = cringe!
@@0tt0z she's terrible. Tje fact she skated for doxing ppl online and reporting content of UA-cam make me ill. I'm close to switching back to wwe
@@ronniejdio9411 Wow. If that's true, I wonder what your line is.
Happy Saturday
Great question!
my favorite movie directors are the ones that know how to make those early quiet moments fascinating. Tarantino really figured out an amazing way to make even the most trivial interaction intriguing like no other director has. I think to an extent Jordan Peele has picked up on this method from tarantino even if he doesn't quite execute it with the same potency tarantino does, he always has me curious what his next film will be
I brought this up months ago, maybe even years ago...
I'm grateful for this answer as this spot had always annoyed me.
:)
So are you just going to pretend flairs "final match" didn't happen then?
STFU!!!!! Yes he said a week ago he doesn't want to mention it or see anything like it again. Catch up.
Yup. Can you imagine if it were Hogan ? They would be frothing out the mouth to tear it to pieces and the review would have been fast-tracked onto this Channel within a day of the event. Absolute cowards, but I expect no less from a pair of Shit Libs who specialise in selective outrage.
I'll tell you a spot that doesn't make sense, and its happened so much over the last 20 years, its getting old and predictable. Why does there just HAPPEN to be multiple tables and chairs underneath the ring? In the old days, it probably made sense because there was going to be a "match signing" in the ring later in the show, and they needed a table handy for the signing. But now there just sitting there, strategic placed by the ring crew for the spot where the wrestler knows right where to find their toys! But now its gotten ridiculous where, last time on AEW, Chris Jericho's barbed wire covered baseball bat just happened to be there! Now its moved on to more sophisticated things under the ring than just tables and chairs!
I think that became more prevalent with the rise of ECW and Russo booking WWF in late 90s adopting more "hardcore" wrestling, hence the presence of "toys" under the ring. what Cornette speaks of with Attitude Era is that they raised the bar with all the outrageous things they could implement into wrestling there would be no way to ever match it again. here we are almost 20 years later. early-mid 2000s the wrestling was vastly better because they still had workers that adhered to wrestling logic. another generation or two removed they just do wrestling like the old SmackDown games on PS2. that's why I don't watch wrestling anymore. Samoan dudes doing 20 superkicks or Young Bucks literally doing 100 superkicks in a row. it's played out.
Jim has talked about this many times. There should only be "foreign objects" to be found under the ring that have a logical reason to be there. Like a toolbox with equipment that the ring crew uses to set up the ring, that's going to be needed when they disassemble it right after the show is over.
On a related note, why are the babyfaces so damn stupid? Heels have been pulling out weapons like kendo sticks and baseball bats from under the ring, that they apparently regularly place there before the matches, for decades now. Why wouldn't a babyface insist on having the space under the ring checked by the officials before an important match? Are they just too dumb to live?
And if they don't check that space, why wouldn't a particularly dastardly eeevil heel who has vowed to send the babyface to the morgue place a katana or a sawed-off shotgun there? It's not like the heel is there to win a wrestling match with a nice submission hold, he's there to kill the babyface. He said so in his promo last week! The one that the idiotic babyface answered with a promo of his own, so he knows what's coming... My head is starting to ache.
Or Mr. Heel could just shoot the babyface in the motel car park or do a drive-by hit with the shotgun when Mr. Smiley-Smile stops at a red light, like everybody else in America does. Or... Whatever!
It's almost as if pro wrestling instantly becomes dumb as dogshit when you don't portray it like a real combat sport.
@@mecha2001 Or as Dan Lambert so eloquently put it--A 145 pound dork doing a triple summersault from the balcony onto 5 tables, finally landing on his opponent, who will kick out at the count of 2!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Couple weeks ago I interviewed AEW ref Bryce Remsburg and he considered Tommy Young one of his inspirations specifically noting the rope spot. Also Brian Hildebrand because Hildebrand would "emote" and react more than most referees to spots between wrestlers
AEW ref's "Emote" too damn much during the match and it distracts from the wrestlers performance, Ref Aubrey being the biggest offender of this.
Tony looks like a crazed South Park character in that artwork.
I remember HHH and Earl Hebner used to do a hair pulling spot where Trips would stomp away at his opponent in the bottom buckle, shove Earl away once, then twice, and then Earl would pull his hair and drag him to the center of the ring. How do you explain that one?
Break up the opponents, dont you remember when opponents got locked up in boxing and the ref gave tyson a fast chin to knock him out just long enough to drag him in the other corner and start things again on a proper level.
Why didn’t Travis do artwork with a ref kicking someone’s hand off the ropes ?
Good question
Because sometimes I’ll do different things that don’t pertain specifically to the idea.
I thought it’d be boring to see a guy getting his foot kicked off the rope would be kind of boring
But when you can go into a question with Tony bring a weird mark, it makes it more fun
@@travisheckel3788 I completely understand Travis. This artwork is still amazing, you made the right choice! Thanks for the amazing visuals while I listen along
@@wackatacka1828 if I can make fun of AEW, it’ll always be prioritized lol
I remember taker sort of shoulder checked hebner or something. Taker turns his back and hebner palmed taker in the back taker turns around grabs him by the throat and throws him in the turnbuckle. Definitely miss those refs spots people still remember them and the refs get a little pop
I miss Jim answering questions lik this on the drive thru.
The drawing
Tommy Young w/ Flair ALL THE TIME and didn't Hebner use this spot in Savage/Steamboat WM3?
I remember another WWF match where the same thing happened. One of the Hebners was the ref and Gorilla & Jesse were calling the match. Jesse pointed out the heels arm was kicked off the rope and Gorilla was livid saying the ref should not be doing that. I'm not sure if I saw the spot much after that.
It gets a pop if built and used right. Rule wise you can’t grab ropes like you can’t grab cage in ufc. The 5 count makes it confusing
Yeah I’ve tried to justify it by thinking that you can grab ropes to break a pin or submission hold but not for balance or to prevent an offensive move.
0:46 FUCK BRIAN BLAIR *Iron Sheik*
...Seriously, whenever I hear his name I always say that aloud haha.
What about contact with the ropes being against the rules? Is that part of it?
Refs would kick the hands when the heel and the manager would grasp the hands to get leverage on the Babyface. Stan was a stud with the ladies.
I’m my opinion once the bell rings it’s not up to the ref to prevent the wrestlers from cheating but to punish them for doing it. Refs should not be interfering in the match
If pro wrestling was a real sport, you would be correct.
However, it isn't.
And the ref (in certain areas of a match) is an intrical part of the "story" that's being told during the match.
So what ur saying is
"Let kenny omega set up all the segments and angles with acting like himself"
haha he did not look like Hawcoo.
Butch Reed did it best with Nick Patrick
I remember earl hebner doing that to triple h
And I hated Hebner for it. #TeamTripleH
What's the issue, the referee taking charge? The ropes are not to be grabbed while in contact with another wrestler, if someone has an issue with how the referee enforces the rules there should be channels to voice those complaints through.
I’ve never heard a song. I always hear them talking about playing songs and occasionally Cornette will attempt to sing a song. But does anyone know if they actually play music? Is it just not on UA-cam because it’s a terrible platform?
The songs are on the full-length audio versions of the podcast on other platforms. Practically all of the songs are cover versions with changed lyrics. Putting them on UA-cam would lead to tons and tons of copyright claims. Mostly unjustified ones because singing a song with completely changed lyrics for satirical or parodic purposes is definitely covered by fair use, since writing a completely new set of lyrics is a significant transformative effort, as required by 17 U.S.C. § 107.
I'm not going into this any deeper, or I'll start ranting about how UA-cam blatantly allows certain rightholder companies to screw with small UA-cam creators' livelihoods through the abuse of the notification system of the platform.
Short answer: Copyright strikes.
Aug 12th smackdown
McIntyre was in the ring scarlet comes out to I guess fight McIntyre the Ouso's attack McIntyre from behind Cross is nowhere
So either Cross and scarlet are in on it with the Ouso's
Or scarlet was going to fight McIntyre
Or Cross is scared of the Ouso's
What happen and what am I missing seriously
Side note moss came to help McIntyre who he tried to kill a few months ago
It was supposed to be a tag match but he had no partner I guess so moss just had to come out
WTF
Tony listen to him
Cool
LOL dirty refs
Wrestling would be way less entertaining than it already is if Jim wasn't around today.
Is there just me struggling to know what the fuck he's asking??🤣
I've sent my question into the drive thru and, I still haven't been answered yet, is Jim that busy?
They literally get hundreds and hundreds of questions a week
@@travisheckel3788 I know, but mine was excellent
Send it in as Charlie from Starkville.
@@0tt0z haha, I was thinking that too, or Brian from long island lol
Earl Hebner did this a lot and it always pissed me off. A ref should never put their hands on a wrestler.
i won't spoil it. i just highly recommend 5:00 - 5:30. and there is a backstory between the ref and the heel - ua-cam.com/video/cQMvAvWIOTw/v-deo.html&ab_channel=JamesLine
so the same people who hated trump now think its unfair the treatment of him....my God people get with the program to realise your sheep
Hey big boy yeah...ur on the wrong pod...this isnt ur biff tannen political pod dude...trump wouldnt piss on you or your family if you were on fire..just so we are clear,,,,
First, I'm Shiny
Congrats on coming out in public
@@chrisrozens1125 thanks bb, can we date?
🥇
Trash.
Thanks for your comment. I'm Ted Bell.
No, the rule is that you can't REACH to the ropes for a break. If your body incidentally breaks the plane of the ropes, it's a legal break (think Flair's lazy leg dropped on the bottom rope at the two count as he would often do when being pinned). Though it is barely enforced anymore, if a wrestler has to REACH to the rope, it does not require a break and the ref is more than allowed to remove the offenders hands from said rope.
That's not how WWF applied it. Maybe other promotions did.
Tony Khan in the thumbnail.. AEW lives rent free in these guys minds its hilarious😂
It pertains to what Jim is talking about as far as Tony throwing in spots that don't make sense. Quit reaching.
@@smellard1049 💯 but AEW definitely lives rent free in both these guys minds.. they're addicted to it, they don't have that same energy for WWE 😂 for better or worse they will watch this garbage
Well duh they talk about wrestling..
Wrestling commentator talks about wrestling promotions. What a concept.
@@DynastyIcon They want a good alternative to WWE. They see the potential AEW has but isn't utilising it.
Not a terrible thing