The real actions behind a person like the man said in the theone mistyping video! Of how to be typing your personality type video I feel or I think he mentions in those two video!
This process was so well done. I am of course going to have to watch it a few more times to grasp it but it seems to make sense! Could help a lot with the arsenal I already have with objective typing. Thanks! And as an ENFJ myself, it was nice seeing Oprah be the one that was typed for this example.
Rachel Steele Hahaha yes! As soon as I watched this again just now I was like ahhhh I see now 😂 this was refreshing to watch for a third time and now fully understand!
@@aesha1878 Grant was one of the major people who defined MBTI as we know it today. He created the idea that cognitive functions alternate from extroverted to introverted in order according to the function stack. He also created that idea that people develop their cognitive functions as they grow up, starting with their primary function that is innate even once that person is born.
Just watched a video where Oprah confesses that she was 42 when she learned that she could set boundaries. That's inferior Ti right there. (thank you for the earlier tip of looking at 45 minutes into an interview. Somehow, that's almost always the part where things get serious) The method does check out, but I'm not sure if everyone is willing to put in the work to actually do it.
That's a cool find! It's interesting(/scary) to see how long it can take before Demons are recognized and truly dealt with. Also, indeed, we're in a society of instant fixes (both prescriptive and addictive).
@@darklight898 Not exactly. I mean that high Ti has a more easy time setting boundaries and low Ti has trouble setting boundaries (high Fe-people are generally people-pleasers for this reason). This means that an ISTP will find setting boundaries easy (although not always pleasant, but they need it to not let people get too close) and an ESFJ will find it almost impossible to set boundaries.
@@Drecon84 that's incorrect. ISTPs can struggle to set boundaries because they have interior Fe and are very prone to guilt and manipulation. Ne trickster makes them one of the easiest types to manipulate.
@@t5396 I can see that. I've learned a lot in the three years since making that comment and I would be the first to say now that things are more complicated.
INFP here. I totally dig your quick and accurate analysis. I do that too, but I admire how you're translating it into a clear message for us. Please keep doing what you're doing.
OMG, this is the best MBTI video ever! I love this so much -- just brilliant!! Please let me into your tribe so I can gather all the information and learn how to decide!! 😂
I’m only 20 years old but I feel like I’ve worked on myself enough these past few years that I’m developed and don’t have any “blind spots.” But that’s the tricky part about them, you can’t see them so you don’t know for sure. I’d ask people around me for help typing me but this system has been hard enough for me to fully understand before I explain it to anyone else.
It's not that complicated. It's an idea that goes back to Jung. You may as well complain that Fi and Ti are too complicated since those abbreviations don't appear in Jung's work.
Same here. I was SO tired of seeing all the pseudoscience bullshit on MBTI forums and was thinking of just forgetting about it, then I found this interpetation that actually tries to be scientific.
Me personally, I pull all my faith into Harry Potter house quizzes. Shalom, fellow Gryffindors...(No, but seriously, they did good with this and made it make sense)
I feel personally called out by the "look what I can do I can read I can gather" comment. I'm an INTJ who likes to low-key peacock my "love" for reading lmao
I wonder if brain scans can help in your scientific study of personality. It would align with scientific method physical measurements too. That would be fantastic.
Ok, so are their certain kind of words or phrases that tip you off? Are you evaluating body language or eye movements to find cues into someone's personality? How do you know if they are speaking abstractly as opposed to concretly?
100% accurate for me until the ti or te question. So according to this i should be INTJ but i prioritize Ti over Te. idc care what others think. I know i am observer and i know i like to organize stuff. But i know you cannot be and INTJ with Ti. I am highly Fi as well. What am i doing wrong?
Do you want to know what works but isn't exactly the truth, or do you want to know the truth that doesn't work? Which one sounds clearly worse than the other? And there you go.
Got tested as INTP-INTP-ENTP-INTP- then i thought I was ENTJ with Intp shadow and now I think I might be Ni-Ti INFJ. My family says i focus on people when I talk. So maybe the ENTJ is more likely. But that could also be because I can't talk to them about things.
So, what limits the 'spectrum' to 512? Edit: How do numbers/types get so big? Also, love the puppet show analogy. It's amazing what we'll do to try and fill the void to keep from going on the Hero's Journey.
Something I haven't heard clarified is: Are the types getting more layers? i.e. "Type 312's focus on dominate Fi over Si, means they value recording their own stuff through art." Or do they just keep getting more specific? i.e. "INFP(45) secretly values tribe, while INFP(42) honestly doesn't." Because until that is answered, I think there has to be a healthy middle ground we can work with/from before we go crazy splitting hairs. (For example: The concept of a 'sword' as a weapon best for these attacks and opponents, VS, "which sword blade type would win in a fight?")
While neither of those examples actually play out (for an IxFP) but the second one is pretty accurate in concept. You can read more on their website, I'd say it allows for any level of middle ground, so looking at 4 types is still valid, so is looking at 16, but sometimes it's helpful to go all the way to 512.
brackonstudios I’m guessing it gets harder to come up with “objective” types the more you subdivide, because you’d need to type ever larger samples of people to test for objectivity. If the types are distributed roughly equally, you’re already only getting 0.2% of your sample size going to a single type. (i.e. type more than 1,000 people just to get 2 of each type) If the distribution is strongly skewed, you’d need even bigger sample sizes to get adequate numbers of your rarest type. Personally I also think it becomes impractical to learn, and I’d guess 512 already is well into the range of diminishing returns for understanding self/others through patterns rather than direct experience. If you have the passion, time, energy, and resources though, you could probably make it to the thousands and beyond.
yeah check out objectivepersonality.com. they essentially have used the basis of Myers briggs to come up with an accurate and objective personality system. the 512 types start with the 16 and then adds in the "animal stack" which are how your functions work together, and the sex of your functions (each function polarity has one masculine and one feminine function -- for ex masc Fi and fem Te)
To me, Fi is start to remind me of the instructions on an airplane: putting the breathing mask on yourself first before you help someone else, just so that you’ll be in the right shape to help (possible Fi analogy). Fe, however, seems more like putting on everyone else’s masks first and then yourself last.
Sounds like a brilliant way to type I just wanna do it myself now but I can't find any checklists it's so fustrating. We need a step by step typing video with the resources to do it ourselves.
In order to organize information, don’t we have to gather them first to begin with? So in order to Ni or Si, do we go through some Ne or Se so that we have a bank of sensory or data?
It looks like D leads to OO and O leads to DD. Does Di lead to Oe and Oi lead to De? This is an interesting method of typing I just want to understand it more.
In a way, yes Di does indicate Oe & Oi does indicate De. It just depends on which goes first, the order can start in four different ways: IPs are DiOeOiDe, EPs are OeDiDeOi, IJs are OiDeDiOe, EJs are DeOiOeDi.
In a few months, you'll be better than 80% of people out there (90% of your friends). Once you hint at 81% the other people start to care as much as you. Actually way more. But do you really want to be in the 99th percontile type of my family, it matches my own.
I dont get why deciding if Observer or Decider puts Xs in the first two rows? i thought that was one question? what does the second row mean? Confusing.
No thats IxxJ talk. You're possibly Intuitive. The only way to find out is to ask yourself: which respect more, facts or patterns? Which do rely on when trying to hammer down a point thats important to you. If you said facts, you're a sensor. If you said patterns, then you're an intuitive.
@@fairy8141 thats not a thing ixxp problem is self and tribe they can do both organise and gather but the problem isnt that they dont know if they organise both facts and intuition thatsbnit a thing ixxp do goddammit listen
@@HitomiAyumu yeah like how davesuperpowers says are you rushing towarda the facts saying "look it up whats it say what did it tell u" or are u saying "yeah we know the facts they always change anyway what we need to do is figure this out ourselfs" the later being exxp or ixxj
Suppose we all evolve to type each other within minutes,the question is what r we gona do with it anyway.. I other words what is the purpose and application of typing people.. Does this help in personal development,counselling or behaviour prediction,HR job etc .. I wana know where OP can have its impacts
If anyone is serious about this typology stuff they need to enroll in your course. I thought I was an INTP for about 8 years. Come to find out I was an variant of an INTJ. It was because of the way my functions are expressed when looking at the 512 that caused a good amount of confusion.
Similar story, albeit flipped - I thought I was Ni/Te (I'd even been typed as such by an OPP practitioner) but D&S cut through my bullshit and typed me as an INTP. I'm just a somewhat edge-of-bellcurve example, apparently. [edit] Shit has made a great deal more sense since they corrected me, too.
Is it hard to get a truly objective understanding of ur personality type as a teenager. I really am focused on self and tribe. But when I think of it all teenagers kinda are
Can someone give me one, two examples how I can determine if someone prefers N over S? I have seen Daves video about S and N stereotypes and there he says it is all about if you mainly tust the facts, of course you have also imaginations but if the facts don't supporting them they refer to the facts (preference for S) or you mainly trusts your imaginations and also knows the facts but if they contradict with your imaginations you don't care because you believe in your ideas (preference for N). Sry, english isn't my native language so I can't better describe it. But in this video he speaks from patterns and so I'm a bit insecure how to recognize N or S. Perhaps someone can help me, that would be great :)
I just look how Exxx or Ixxx people are and the function that they use a lot as a saviour. I don't know how right or wrong it is but seems easier but I'm also not sure am I right. And know try to guess my type
What's the type that watches this and feels overwhelmed at the complexity of it and how complex people are, and feels like typing is impossible to ever be certain about?
What I find contradictory is, what if someone is Tribe first, but has Sleep as second savior? Also play as last? So it's Blast Sleep Consume Play. How does play last occur in Tribe first people? They got sleep savior so they would be focused on knowing who they are.
Hello. I hope you're fine. You asked your question a year ago. Have you finally found the answer? I'm also interested to know. I think this is my animal stack.
I used to be so sure of myself and my identity then my psychotic break happened and i genuenily some days cant tell my head from my asshole. Anyone know if you can literally switch types?
No. INFJ like me are not vague with concepts. We depends on defined concepts to survive, we cannot afford ambiguity because then it would be doom. INFJ are not hippie talk
He typed her wrong. She doesn't use "hippie talk" outside of her show. I would actually need "hippie talk" to be defined better. He used her show to type her middle functions, even though he said we shouldn't. She's an ESFJ. The Ti child in INFJs makes them more of a thinker on inside.
It's funny, I've always been a helpful person with smaller things, but I don't like being forced into doing it. I love engaging with the tribe, but it's only if I, and I alone, want to do it. O could be wrong, but is that Di?
I used to be concerned with myself and tribe but since Trump chaos in the world is a danger factor to me, plus I give up on finding a place in the tribe. I can't control either. I give up. Never gonna figure this out
yeah we got it, your are good and this. But meaybe if you talked a bit slower us peasants could understand better this concepts (i am not a native english speaker)
What I can do with this? Why is it useful to do this? Its Entertaining and interesting, thats enough but mhhh A person is too diverse to put it in a category, There is no Information about Which skills a person have, what they love to do, what is the singelest important thing for them. Not specific enough, i would say. To increase the chance of a good answer, you can try to type my comment to type me. ;)
Isn't that a jumper-type? For example, Dave claims to be a jumper INTJ, who has savior Ni (so Oi) and Fi (so Di). His third function is his savior, instead of his second function. :)
While this seems at first scientifically sound, I was wondering about how you get to 32 times as many types. I had a look at the site, and it really says next to nothing about it without you having to take a course and whatnot. So, while you claim it is scientifical, it is very much not scientifical to limit access to this relatively crucial information which you claim is used so rationally. I hope you can rectify this along the line.
You can't be actually objective if you don't know the full picture. Just because some people share a few of the same biases doesn't make their agreement the actual objective truth.
Schule04 if “sharing the same biases” means getting the same answer out of 512 possibilities, that’s reproducibility, and is one of the foundations of testing scientific theories. That equates to 99.8% accuracy.
1. objective to me means "verifiable through facts". A fact is something that leaves no room for personal interpretation. I have no idea how he can objectively make a conclusion about someone's personality after watching a short youtube video of said person. 2. There's nothing objective in his other videos too, despite his claims. Everything "objctive" he has said has essentially just been anecdotal evidence. Watch the "channel trailer 2018" video to see what I mean 3. Somehow I am skeptical about those numbers
Again, the objectivity is the fact that his typing system yields the same results regardless of who is using the system to type. It's not 100% results but it's statistically significant in reality. Two independent users of the checklist got the same result. That is a true fact that happened. We've seen the system be used by Dave and his partner, they watch the 20-40 minute videos independently and compare their results. Of course that's only two people. But Dave is inviting all of us to use the system as well, and see if we get the same results. The more people use this system and test it, the more rigorously it will be proven. The more data points of results which correlate, the more facts we have of the truthfulness of the system, and your verifiability will be satisfied.
Doesn't MBTI/socionics already do a good enough job of explaining this (and much more)? I have a genuine question: why reiterate the same system in different, possibly more faulty and more superficial ways and call it "objective?"
MBTI doesn't Show How each type's traits or skills relate to the letters, also, those descriptions make people subject to the Barnum Effect. As for Socionics, what happens if you get along (or are even in love) with someone that the chart says you likely shouldn't? Does it offer reasons as to why you can? Dave's method seems to be: Let's start over from the ground up, making sure our foundation (terms, functions, testing methods) is solid, before branching off into philosophical la-la land. I.E. What you're good at, what career you should pursue. Ignoring all that advice, and seeing what your mind wants and recoils from naturally (which you didn't even realize was going on), is a much more helpful guide than receiving what's basically a horoscope. Because once your Demons are brought to light, and you yourself can reference the world for the advice you need for how others overcame: Loneliness, Clutter, Stage Fright, Etc, in order to find your career and or passion. Horse before the Cart, and Clear Direction before Setting Out. MBTI flips all those things around.
"MBTI doesn't Show How each type's traits or skills relate to the letters." What are you talking about? You can tell so much from your cognitive functions and the way in which they are stacked that any other "system" one can copy/come up with falls short in comparison. "As for Socionics, what happens if you get along (or are even in love) with someone that the chart says you likely shouldn't? Does it offer reasons as to why you can?" Again, what are you talking about? The problem you're suggesting seems to be that there are invariably going to be people that misinterpret the "system," make false claims about it simply because they don't have a strong grasp of it. Say what? This is always the case in any system, if the system is complicated enough. This is why there's a distinction between people who actually understand the system and are able to make accurate predictions from it, and those that have no clue what they are talking about or understand any of the system they claim is flawed. My disagreement is not with coming up with a helpful (= more simple = superficial and half-baked = providing more ways to misinterpret what's said and/or comprising of more instances that lead to the wrong conclusion) guide to help people type other people. My point is that if you break a complicated system down to what is essentially a superficial method, it's invariably going to be more flawed. Thus, whoever comes up (if one can call it that) with the "easier" variant does not get to claim that their method is "more objective"; doing so would be deeply arrogant. There has to be some acknowledgement of the things I mentioned and there should be no false advertisement. I realize my comments are strictly Ti, and those that view this channel or agree with much of Dave's content are Ni/Te users. However, coming up with systems is a strictly Ti realm and Ni/Te-ing through it doesn't work. That's all I'm saying.
What are you talking about? MBTI does not talk about Functions. Answer me this: What kind of Thinking does an INTP have by just looking at the results from a test? It won't tell you, I know, I took the MBTI test the other day for class. It only tells you how much Thinking you have and whether you are primarily an Extroverted or Introverted Person. Functions have Introvert and Extrovert 'charges' as Dave says, thus creating different traits. True, I don't understand Socionics as well as others, but I asked TWO clear questions, and you answered neither of them. Not even as to why they are bad or dumb questions. If it's a good system, with multiple levels and intricacies, do you mind answering the TWO Questions you directly Quoted and ignored?? What part of observing people's choices and fears, then relating them to methods of cognition is superficial? It's observation. Noticing through multiple interviews that person avoids such-in-such, while championing so-and-so, is a lot more objective that MBTI asking "Do you find yourself near the walls of a room when at a party?"
I think I answered all your questions, in my own ways. I'm not gonna feed every word right to your face like I would to a six-year-old. Most of your statements sound like nothing I said went to your head, which, funnily enough, I'd expect. "Coming up with systems is a strictly Ti realm." This is actually a factually true statement; history speaks for itself. If you want to hear praises of Ni, Ni users' ability lies in being able to find more efficient ways to do things, with or without having a complete understanding of the subtleties behind the why-questions. That's all I care to say.
"Wait so you have to actually GET TO KNOW the person before typing them?"
Introverts have left the chat
Epic monster: "WHO... AM... I?"
Dave: "Clearly an EJ."
The problem is to judge what behavior to put weight on, since people can display everything.
The answer to that problem is what are they unconsciously consistent with? Also liar body language is traceable. That’s apart of it too.
The real actions behind a person like the man said in the theone mistyping video! Of how to be typing your personality type video I feel or I think he mentions in those two video!
This process was so well done. I am of course going to have to watch it a few more times to grasp it but it seems to make sense! Could help a lot with the arsenal I already have with objective typing. Thanks! And as an ENFJ myself, it was nice seeing Oprah be the one that was typed for this example.
Take his course.
I agree Dezzy!! I loved the way he explained objective typing. His voice reminds me of "the honey badger guy" who I absolutely adore by the way :-)
Rachel Steele Hahaha yes! As soon as I watched this again just now I was like ahhhh I see now 😂 this was refreshing to watch for a third time and now fully understand!
It's so interesting to see the evolution of personality theory. From Carl Jung to Myers-Briggs to Grant to Objective Personality.
I see the irony there hahaha, I agree.
Whats grant?
@@aesha1878 Grant was one of the major people who defined MBTI as we know it today. He created the idea that cognitive functions alternate from extroverted to introverted in order according to the function stack. He also created that idea that people develop their cognitive functions as they grow up, starting with their primary function that is innate even once that person is born.
Dam you did a excellent job in making something useful out of MBTI
Just watched a video where Oprah confesses that she was 42 when she learned that she could set boundaries. That's inferior Ti right there. (thank you for the earlier tip of looking at 45 minutes into an interview. Somehow, that's almost always the part where things get serious)
The method does check out, but I'm not sure if everyone is willing to put in the work to actually do it.
That's a cool find! It's interesting(/scary) to see how long it can take before Demons are recognized and truly dealt with. Also, indeed, we're in a society of instant fixes (both prescriptive and addictive).
Inferior Ti has boundries and superior Ti has no boundries? Is that what u mean?
@@darklight898 Not exactly. I mean that high Ti has a more easy time setting boundaries and low Ti has trouble setting boundaries (high Fe-people are generally people-pleasers for this reason).
This means that an ISTP will find setting boundaries easy (although not always pleasant, but they need it to not let people get too close) and an ESFJ will find it almost impossible to set boundaries.
@@Drecon84 that's incorrect. ISTPs can struggle to set boundaries because they have interior Fe and are very prone to guilt and manipulation. Ne trickster makes them one of the easiest types to manipulate.
@@t5396 I can see that. I've learned a lot in the three years since making that comment and I would be the first to say now that things are more complicated.
INFP here. I totally dig your quick and accurate analysis. I do that too, but I admire how you're translating it into a clear message for us. Please keep doing what you're doing.
"you're talking hippie talk" 😂😂😂
Damn, this shit is revolutionary! I can't imagine the work is took to figure all this out.
Could you please do a video for each of type? I want to see you typing ESTJs, INFJs, ENFPs and ENTPs
Great process!! Love it. I think I do this subconsciously but it’s so hard to explain inferior Ti
You're so good at talking and explaining. So charismatic
OMG, this is the best MBTI video ever! I love this so much -- just brilliant!! Please let me into your tribe so I can gather all the information and learn how to decide!! 😂
I’m only 20 years old but I feel like I’ve worked on myself enough these past few years that I’m developed and don’t have any “blind spots.” But that’s the tricky part about them, you can’t see them so you don’t know for sure. I’d ask people around me for help typing me but this system has been hard enough for me to fully understand before I explain it to anyone else.
Extremely insightful and informative. Kudos.
This is a fantastic way to break things down. Thank you!
I get you Oprah everytime I'm with people I'm thinking "who tf am i and why do i know what type others are and why am i confused about MY OWN " Fe :/
More examples like that would be very engaging content!
Love the objective approach to typing. Keep up the great work!
Great information. Having it delivered by an INTJ is rough tho.
Ruuuuuude.
Di is a lot better than "introverted judging function".
It's not that complicated. It's an idea that goes back to Jung. You may as well complain that Fi and Ti are too complicated since those abbreviations don't appear in Jung's work.
Di and De are very simple labels for simple concepts that are not easily confused with other labels. Complain less, learn more.
I can still see all your comments. Blaming censorship is a weak way out of a bad take.
I lost faith in Mbti before this channel
I lost faith in MBTI after this channel. :D
I realize the flaws of the MBTi and what it does right after this channel
check out CS Joseph
Same here. I was SO tired of seeing all the pseudoscience bullshit on MBTI forums and was thinking of just forgetting about it, then I found this interpetation that actually tries to be scientific.
Me personally, I pull all my faith into Harry Potter house quizzes. Shalom, fellow Gryffindors...(No, but seriously, they did good with this and made it make sense)
I wonder if a test can be constructed using this approach that can consistently give a more accurate typing than the traditional MBTI
When you talk fast sounds like you're rapping. Also great video yet again man.
Yup process of elimination is how I’ve been doing it too but I’ve been doing it with the functions
lol I found this funny because I'm an ENFJ and both of my friends at school are ISTJs and we do seem pretty opposite from each other socially.
Ur videos make my brain so happy ty 😂❤
I feel personally called out by the "look what I can do I can read I can gather" comment. I'm an INTJ who likes to low-key peacock my "love" for reading lmao
I wonder if brain scans can help in your scientific study of personality. It would align with scientific method physical measurements too. That would be fantastic.
Yeah, that would be amazing!
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Oprah said in an interview that she was an introvert though. When she’s at parties she feels the life being sucked out of her.
that doesn't mean she's an introvert. parties can suck the energy out of anybody if they aren't within good company.
Yes, because she is INFJ
@@alekskopysov7357 She's basically ENFJ posterchild.
Ok, so are their certain kind of words or phrases that tip you off? Are you evaluating body language or eye movements to find cues into someone's personality? How do you know if they are speaking abstractly as opposed to concretly?
Amazing, great work. I try to learn all the different styles for typing people.
100% accurate for me until the ti or te question. So according to this i should be INTJ but i prioritize Ti over Te. idc care what others think. I know i am observer and i know i like to organize stuff.
But i know you cannot be and INTJ with Ti.
I am highly Fi as well. What am i doing wrong?
Do you want to know what works but isn't exactly the truth, or do you want to know the truth that doesn't work? Which one sounds clearly worse than the other? And there you go.
@@LittleMew133 There is indeed more work that needs to be done on these theories.
Got tested as INTP-INTP-ENTP-INTP- then i thought I was ENTJ with Intp shadow and now I think I might be Ni-Ti INFJ.
My family says i focus on people when I talk. So maybe the ENTJ is more likely. But that could also be because I can't talk to them about things.
I resonate with this comment, except INTJ and ISTP should be thrown in there.
Really pressing on my Si here my dude hahahah good job with this though
Thank you for breaking down the objective game. Makes so much more sense.
What are some of the sources to your knowledge? Books, Uni, etc?
So, what limits the 'spectrum' to 512? Edit: How do numbers/types get so big? Also, love the puppet show analogy. It's amazing what we'll do to try and fill the void to keep from going on the Hero's Journey.
He shows 64 types in his class course. Maybe he will do the other types too. Because Carl G. Jung said there are more then 500 types out there ...
Something I haven't heard clarified is: Are the types getting more layers? i.e. "Type 312's focus on dominate Fi over Si, means they value recording their own stuff through art." Or do they just keep getting more specific? i.e. "INFP(45) secretly values tribe, while INFP(42) honestly doesn't." Because until that is answered, I think there has to be a healthy middle ground we can work with/from before we go crazy splitting hairs. (For example: The concept of a 'sword' as a weapon best for these attacks and opponents, VS, "which sword blade type would win in a fight?")
While neither of those examples actually play out (for an IxFP) but the second one is pretty accurate in concept. You can read more on their website, I'd say it allows for any level of middle ground, so looking at 4 types is still valid, so is looking at 16, but sometimes it's helpful to go all the way to 512.
+zmac Sounds good, but again, what limits 'the spectrum to 512'?
brackonstudios
I’m guessing it gets harder to come up with “objective” types the more you subdivide, because you’d need to type ever larger samples of people to test for objectivity. If the types are distributed roughly equally, you’re already only getting 0.2% of your sample size going to a single type. (i.e. type more than 1,000 people just to get 2 of each type) If the distribution is strongly skewed, you’d need even bigger sample sizes to get adequate numbers of your rarest type. Personally I also think it becomes impractical to learn, and I’d guess 512 already is well into the range of diminishing returns for understanding self/others through patterns rather than direct experience.
If you have the passion, time, energy, and resources though, you could probably make it to the thousands and beyond.
What is the 512 personalities thing? Does anyone know what its called? I've never seen it before
Its the typology-system Dave created himself
yeah check out objectivepersonality.com. they essentially have used the basis of Myers briggs to come up with an accurate and objective personality system. the 512 types start with the 16 and then adds in the "animal stack" which are how your functions work together, and the sex of your functions (each function polarity has one masculine and one feminine function -- for ex masc Fi and fem Te)
To me, Fi is start to remind me of the instructions on an airplane: putting the breathing mask on yourself first before you help someone else, just so that you’ll be in the right shape to help (possible Fi analogy). Fe, however, seems more like putting on everyone else’s masks first and then yourself last.
Sounds like a brilliant way to type I just wanna do it myself now but I can't find any checklists it's so fustrating. We need a step by step typing video with the resources to do it ourselves.
In order to organize information, don’t we have to gather them first to begin with? So in order to Ni or Si, do we go through some Ne or Se so that we have a bank of sensory or data?
Learning a lot here....
It looks like D leads to OO and O leads to DD. Does Di lead to Oe and Oi lead to De? This is an interesting method of typing I just want to understand it more.
In a way, yes Di does indicate Oe & Oi does indicate De. It just depends on which goes first, the order can start in four different ways: IPs are DiOeOiDe, EPs are OeDiDeOi, IJs are OiDeDiOe, EJs are DeOiOeDi.
yes in terms of the 16 types but I believe when you account for jumpers not necessarily
So what if instead of control , gathering was easier for her then what would her type be ?
In a few months, you'll be better than 80% of people out there (90% of your friends). Once you hint at 81% the other people start to care as much as you. Actually way more. But do you really want to be in the 99th percontile type of my family, it matches my own.
I dont get why deciding if Observer or Decider puts Xs in the first two rows? i thought that was one question? what does the second row mean? Confusing.
Are you prepared to meet your maker? Well, if you're a pizza and I'm your maker, then yes.
Ok, i'm getting confused. I like to organise both concepts and facts. Who the hell am i?
*Edit: seems like a pretty ExxJish question 😂😂😂
Yeah, you're right.
No thats IxxJ talk. You're possibly Intuitive. The only way to find out is to ask yourself: which respect more, facts or patterns? Which do rely on when trying to hammer down a point thats important to you. If you said facts, you're a sensor. If you said patterns, then you're an intuitive.
@@fairy8141 thats not a thing ixxp problem is self and tribe they can do both organise and gather but the problem isnt that they dont know if they organise both facts and intuition thatsbnit a thing ixxp do goddammit listen
@@dontlookatme2617 No he is not
@@HitomiAyumu yeah like how davesuperpowers says are you rushing towarda the facts saying "look it up whats it say what did it tell u" or are u saying "yeah we know the facts they always change anyway what we need to do is figure this out ourselfs" the later being exxp or ixxj
I'm having trouble signing up as a member on your site. Says the website is experiencing heavy load. ;(
Step 1 and I already don't know because I freak out about everything lol
I love your videos
Suppose we all evolve to type each other within minutes,the question is what r we gona do with it anyway..
I other words what is the purpose and application of typing people..
Does this help in personal development,counselling or behaviour prediction,HR job etc ..
I wana know where OP can have its impacts
I do something else... Its pretty accurate too... Its called typing with Ni
If anyone is serious about this typology stuff they need to enroll in your course.
I thought I was an INTP for about 8 years. Come to find out I was an variant of an INTJ. It was because of the way my functions are expressed when looking at the 512 that caused a good amount of confusion.
Austin Ollar there’s a course??
Yeah, it's here www.objectivepersonality.com/
Similar story, albeit flipped - I thought I was Ni/Te (I'd even been typed as such by an OPP practitioner) but D&S cut through my bullshit and typed me as an INTP. I'm just a somewhat edge-of-bellcurve example, apparently.
[edit] Shit has made a great deal more sense since they corrected me, too.
I was mistyped by 16personalities as INTJ. But I'm actually INTP bro.
Is it hard to get a truly objective understanding of ur personality type as a teenager. I really am focused on self and tribe. But when I think of it all teenagers kinda are
You do need to be fairly developed and sure of things before you can definitely type yourself. Teenagers change a lot, so their type may change
Can someone give me one, two examples how I can determine if someone prefers N over S?
I have seen Daves video about S and N stereotypes and there he says it is all about if you mainly tust the facts, of course you have also imaginations but if the facts don't supporting them they refer to the facts (preference for S) or you mainly trusts your imaginations and also knows the facts but if they contradict with your imaginations you don't care because you believe in your ideas (preference for N).
Sry, english isn't my native language so I can't better describe it.
But in this video he speaks from patterns and so I'm a bit insecure how to recognize N or S.
Perhaps someone can help me, that would be great :)
Well this video confirmed I am definitely I-TJ
I just look how Exxx or Ixxx people are and the function that they use a lot as a saviour. I don't know how right or wrong it is but seems easier but I'm also not sure am I right.
And know try to guess my type
What's the type that watches this and feels overwhelmed at the complexity of it and how complex people are, and feels like typing is impossible to ever be certain about?
What I find contradictory is, what if someone is Tribe first, but has Sleep as second savior? Also play as last? So it's Blast Sleep Consume Play. How does play last occur in Tribe first people? They got sleep savior so they would be focused on knowing who they are.
Can anybody answer this? lol
This kind of things bother me. It's too contradictory.
Hello. I hope you're fine. You asked your question a year ago. Have you finally found the answer? I'm also interested to know. I think this is my animal stack.
I did not expect that but i typed myself as an entj using this method. Mind you that I’ve never ever considered myself to be an entj! Ha
I used to be so sure of myself and my identity then my psychotic break happened and i genuenily some days cant tell my head from my asshole. Anyone know if you can literally switch types?
Brilliant........apart from the fact that one actually has to get to know the person in order to type them. Makes perfect sense, but....😖
why do you call your test objective?
It's the opposite of subjective
@@jebstuart3162 ... which is not what his test is.
The tricky one was organise/gather. So hard not to see her as gather.
Oh man I know that I’m SO weird about self and tribe but idk in which direction.
No. INFJ like me are not vague with concepts. We depends on defined concepts to survive, we cannot afford ambiguity because then it would be doom. INFJ are not hippie talk
He typed her wrong. She doesn't use "hippie talk" outside of her show. I would actually need "hippie talk" to be defined better. He used her show to type her middle functions, even though he said we shouldn't. She's an ESFJ. The Ti child in INFJs makes them more of a thinker on inside.
What would be an ETNJs puppet show?
Charlotte Blanche I assume you mean ENTJ, and probably going to church/religion or anything related to personal identity
Hm, not in my case, but I see what you mean.
It's funny, I've always been a helpful person with smaller things, but I don't like being forced into doing it. I love engaging with the tribe, but it's only if I, and I alone, want to do it. O could be wrong, but is that Di?
What's the rarest of the 512 types and who are some examples lol
And most common
what would an ENTP do to beat his/her demons on a fake scale?
Organizes their space once in a month and then boasts about it.
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Oprah stated she was Introverted .
aha so you type people according to their weaknesses instead of preferences
I used to be concerned with myself and tribe but since Trump chaos in the world is a danger factor to me, plus I give up on finding a place in the tribe. I can't control either. I give up. Never gonna figure this out
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yeah we got it, your are good and this. But meaybe if you talked a bit slower us peasants could understand better this concepts (i am not a native english speaker)
This shit is worth a million dollars bitches!
>type objectively
>this is my opinion
Clearly Dave is not N or T
What I can do with this? Why is it useful to do this?
Its Entertaining and interesting, thats enough but mhhh
A person is too diverse to put it in a category, There is no Information about Which skills a person have, what they love to do, what is the singelest important thing for them.
Not specific enough, i would say.
To increase the chance of a good answer, you can try to type my comment to type me. ;)
I thought Oprah was an observer pfff. I'm never gonna get this
Can I have di and oi ?
Isn't that a jumper-type?
For example, Dave claims to be a jumper INTJ, who has savior Ni (so Oi) and Fi (so Di).
His third function is his savior, instead of his second function. :)
512... 🤯🤯
Way too fast. Even if I repeat it.
Almost everything said about her is correct but only conclusion is wrong. She is an INFJ.
While this seems at first scientifically sound, I was wondering about how you get to 32 times as many types. I had a look at the site, and it really says next to nothing about it without you having to take a course and whatnot. So, while you claim it is scientifical, it is very much not scientifical to limit access to this relatively crucial information which you claim is used so rationally. I hope you can rectify this along the line.
There's nothing objective about this.
Schule04 it’s indeed objective because two subjective interpretations (Dave and the other typist) correlate to the same result, using this system.
You can't be actually objective if you don't know the full picture. Just because some people share a few of the same biases doesn't make their agreement the actual objective truth.
Schule04 if “sharing the same biases” means getting the same answer out of 512 possibilities, that’s reproducibility, and is one of the foundations of testing scientific theories. That equates to 99.8% accuracy.
1. objective to me means "verifiable through facts". A fact is something that leaves no room for personal interpretation. I have no idea how he can objectively make a conclusion about someone's personality after watching a short youtube video of said person.
2. There's nothing objective in his other videos too, despite his claims. Everything "objctive" he has said has essentially just been anecdotal evidence. Watch the "channel trailer 2018" video to see what I mean
3. Somehow I am skeptical about those numbers
Again, the objectivity is the fact that his typing system yields the same results regardless of who is using the system to type. It's not 100% results but it's statistically significant in reality. Two independent users of the checklist got the same result. That is a true fact that happened.
We've seen the system be used by Dave and his partner, they watch the 20-40 minute videos independently and compare their results. Of course that's only two people.
But Dave is inviting all of us to use the system as well, and see if we get the same results. The more people use this system and test it, the more rigorously it will be proven. The more data points of results which correlate, the more facts we have of the truthfulness of the system, and your verifiability will be satisfied.
Doesn't MBTI/socionics already do a good enough job of explaining this (and much more)? I have a genuine question: why reiterate the same system in different, possibly more faulty and more superficial ways and call it "objective?"
It's a more of a simplistic Version. Its easier to understand because it's not using 10 descriptions no one understands for one function.
MBTI doesn't Show How each type's traits or skills relate to the letters, also, those descriptions make people subject to the Barnum Effect. As for Socionics, what happens if you get along (or are even in love) with someone that the chart says you likely shouldn't? Does it offer reasons as to why you can? Dave's method seems to be: Let's start over from the ground up, making sure our foundation (terms, functions, testing methods) is solid, before branching off into philosophical la-la land. I.E. What you're good at, what career you should pursue. Ignoring all that advice, and seeing what your mind wants and recoils from naturally (which you didn't even realize was going on), is a much more helpful guide than receiving what's basically a horoscope. Because once your Demons are brought to light, and you yourself can reference the world for the advice you need for how others overcame: Loneliness, Clutter, Stage Fright, Etc, in order to find your career and or passion. Horse before the Cart, and Clear Direction before Setting Out. MBTI flips all those things around.
"MBTI doesn't Show How each type's traits or skills relate to the letters."
What are you talking about? You can tell so much from your cognitive functions and the way in which they are stacked that any other "system" one can copy/come up with falls short in comparison.
"As for Socionics, what happens if you get along (or are even in love) with someone that the chart says you likely shouldn't? Does it offer reasons as to why you can?"
Again, what are you talking about? The problem you're suggesting seems to be that there are invariably going to be people that misinterpret the "system," make false claims about it simply because they don't have a strong grasp of it. Say what? This is always the case in any system, if the system is complicated enough. This is why there's a distinction between people who actually understand the system and are able to make accurate predictions from it, and those that have no clue what they are talking about or understand any of the system they claim is flawed.
My disagreement is not with coming up with a helpful (= more simple = superficial and half-baked = providing more ways to misinterpret what's said and/or comprising of more instances that lead to the wrong conclusion) guide to help people type other people. My point is that if you break a complicated system down to what is essentially a superficial method, it's invariably going to be more flawed. Thus, whoever comes up (if one can call it that) with the "easier" variant does not get to claim that their method is "more objective"; doing so would be deeply arrogant. There has to be some acknowledgement of the things I mentioned and there should be no false advertisement.
I realize my comments are strictly Ti, and those that view this channel or agree with much of Dave's content are Ni/Te users. However, coming up with systems is a strictly Ti realm and Ni/Te-ing through it doesn't work. That's all I'm saying.
What are you talking about? MBTI does not talk about Functions. Answer me this: What kind of Thinking does an INTP have by just looking at the results from a test? It won't tell you, I know, I took the MBTI test the other day for class. It only tells you how much Thinking you have and whether you are primarily an Extroverted or Introverted Person. Functions have Introvert and Extrovert 'charges' as Dave says, thus creating different traits.
True, I don't understand Socionics as well as others, but I asked TWO clear questions, and you answered neither of them. Not even as to why they are bad or dumb questions. If it's a good system, with multiple levels and intricacies, do you mind answering the TWO Questions you directly Quoted and ignored??
What part of observing people's choices and fears, then relating them to methods of cognition is superficial? It's observation. Noticing through multiple interviews that person avoids such-in-such, while championing so-and-so, is a lot more objective that MBTI asking "Do you find yourself near the walls of a room when at a party?"
I think I answered all your questions, in my own ways. I'm not gonna feed every word right to your face like I would to a six-year-old. Most of your statements sound like nothing I said went to your head, which, funnily enough, I'd expect.
"Coming up with systems is a strictly Ti realm." This is actually a factually true statement; history speaks for itself. If you want to hear praises of Ni, Ni users' ability lies in being able to find more efficient ways to do things, with or without having a complete understanding of the subtleties behind the why-questions.
That's all I care to say.
So Oprah is Fe; that's why I never liked her even though I had no reason not to like her.