Apparently I got the amount of RAM WRONG SOMEHOW??? This one only has 16gb. I’ll try to remove any mention of RAM with the UA-cam editor. Might take a bit to do. If you see some weird jump cuts, thats why.
it's because it leaked saying it had 32gbs of ram so your brain was like damn this thing has 32gbs of ram lol. i think they just decided to save money by releasing with only 16gb which will hurt them in the end. a lot of modern games are requiring 16gb of ram so it essentially didn't future proof it very much. what a shame i was hyped for this thing. Edit: They did say there would be 4 different versions and only released 3
@@DavidFilskov in synthetic benchmarks the intel chip is more powerful than the z1 extreme, it just fights the igpu for power in games so it gets rough performance without really high wattage. I would like to see someone turn off the majority of the performance cores to see what kind of gains we can see shifted to the igpu.
the reason amd chips are used more in gaming handhelds is because AMD generally has had a more superior integrated graphics solutions. AMD makes APUs that can actually game, intel APUs haven't really been able to do so until recently. not because a "cost thing"
@@arthurdurhamhe also says intel chipsets run hotter when typically the opposite is true since AMD processors don't usually distribute processing between cores at low loads.
They also seek to care a lot more about user experience then any of the other companies. Nvidia is pretty much Apple when it comes to locking basic features behind a more “supreme” device.
@@snerttti'm not sure why you say that, it's really easy to see the main thread bouncing around on my 3700x. on my 12600k machine it's hard to see it cuz intel doesn't do core parking or boost individual cores.
As someone who has used Intel CPUs in early 2000s without a graphics card, I can testify Intel sucks in the graphics department. They are overtly anemic and continue to be pushed to the laptop market, severely handicapping their potential unless you want to shell out extra cash for a GPU that's going to get thermal throttled anyway. AMD APUs perform much better than what Intel does, who just laxes on the graphics processing field.
@@cybrnekomusic Yeah, I got a stealth MSI laptop and it totally brought the look in line, I don't mind the sleeker "mid 2010s matrix" look when it's sleek like that, but some of those non stealth ones looked like a PS3 got attacked by Venom and became a gamer.
I actually like the look more than the ally I like that old chunky gamer look if only it preformed better it will probably get a lot better after a few major updates intel drivers are usually more stable than AMD it’s one of the reasons AMD struggles with Nvidia the main problem these windows hand helds face is ironically windows 11 it’s a terrible choice for a portable device.
Typing this on an MSi GS63VR 7RG Stealth Pro that, just a few days ago, I had to REMOVE THE MOTHERBOARD on just to clean lint out of the fans. Not only do you have to do this to access the fans, but to get to the RAM slots and SSD. MSi, unlike every other manufacturer, seems to actively enjoy making their devices unnecessarily difficult for the end user to service. On the plus side, other than needing fan servicing every couple of years to remove built up dust from the guts and replacing the battery when it wears down, it's been a powerhouse of a machine for the roughly 6 years I've had it.
@@samserious1337 my house is unfortunately fairly dusty due to pets and wood heat, but even so I only end up getting the "grinding sound of death" about every two years when actual lint balls finally build up large enough to bump the fan blades. Popping things open and cleaning it out gets them back to running cool and quiet, it's just baffling that they made the decision to make accessing those often-accessed parts require such severe disassembly when literally every other manufacturer makes their machines easy for even complete beginners to service. Servicing this laptop feels like rocket surgery by comparison.
@@mortmortmort8908 every company loads their computers with bloatware. Its too simple to reset base windows that this should honestly no longer be a point of contention for *any* products. And no man, I really dont want to hear about some mom and pop pc company that honors your notions of whats acceptable. For 99% of users , its 99% not a problem. Just remove the programs you dont want, or just reset windows. Takes 5 minutes.
For my MSI Sword I have to unscrew literally more than 15 screw just to access the back to install an SSD, only to learn that A: the SATA slot was completely removed on the models without warning or reason and B: only the more expensive models have 2 NVME slots. Great.
Bare in mind, the MSI Claw ISN'T the same price as the Z1 Extreme handhelds. There IS a Claw at $700USD, but that one is the lesser i5 variant. The i7 variant costs something like $750-800USD.
It's come full circle. Pentium 4's, Especially Prescotts, were insanely hot. (compared to Athlon XP/64) So hot Dell/Intel created a new motherboard and case form factor which didn't stick. thank god (BTX)
Three for Three on the Not Recommended list. First it was Retro Game Corps, then The Phawx, now Mr. Wulff. This thing is gonna have an uphill struggle.
i had that EXACT thumbstick issue..... on steam deck. the original run of LCD models (mine was a Q3 first year version) actually had a lot of reports like this. most people (including me) just bought some cheap joystick protectors from ebay, little silicone rings that slip onto the joystick stem, and then you forget the problem ever happened. good to know my OLED deck had this problem sorted from the beginning tho
Yeah those protectors are great. I have them on my OLED and a nice side effect is that they stop the sound of the stick clacking against the plastic ring.
Bro please do a revision on the claw with the CPU power fix, updated bios and drivers. Would love to see how it compares against the LeGo and the rAlly.
one of the biggest issues I see with these other non steam deck handhelds is the controls layout. It is entirely user preference but for me the dualshock-esque layout with sticks and buttons at equal heights and overall symmetry of the controls is a major W for the steam deck. None of these other handhelds seem to even offer parity with the SD controls either. 4 back paddles and two touchpads give me access to potentially 100 inputs, instantly, on other own. (seriously, radial menus on trackpads are op). it's a handheld console, i don't expect preformance to be very good, im firmly in the camp that a portable system should prioritize comfort and capability over raw processing power. essentially a "can it do it well" instead of "can it do it the fastest".
Also major points towards valve for making their upgrade process for the Steam Deck as user friendly as possible, holy balls 16:35 was just cringe once you told us what all that was.
Not on new one they didn’t. They glued a wire under shield over ssd and a ribbon cable on top of that same shield. So getting to ssd means you risk tearing two important cables. Since this wasn’t case on lcd model I can’t help but feel they did this on purpose to make changing ssd harder and more riskier.
Not to demerit the deck`s upgradeability in any way, but last month I installed a 2tb ssd into my Ally, and it was increadibly simple. In fact, the most difficult parts were that I was bamboozled by the bottom middle screw which I initially thought was stripped but turned out to be captive, and the battery connector was fiddly to reconnect. Other than that, it was smooth sailing, and only took a couple of minutes
Even without all the vents and other holes, there's no way I'd take a portable PC/gaming device like that to a beach/boardwalk like Coney Island in NYC.
when the engineers were making it, i can't understand why they felt the need to even produce the 155 version, the processor robs way too much power from the igpu, this is a gaming machine so the extra p cores were just not worth it, if you want a fast processor, get a laptop? these are meant for gaming so they just don't need such a power hungry cpu. I'm disappointed because I've always been intel with my desktop builds. also I am very sure that it only comes with 16gb of ram like the rog ally does, it would have been really smart of them to bump it to 32gb, but they didn't, we saw false benchmarks of the claw running with 32gb of ram but they must have deemed the performance gain to cost ineffective.
yeah i think he was thinking about when the benchmarks were leaked before it's release it was showing 32gb of system memory but it officially released with only 16gb options.
I gotta say that I love your thumbnails, they're always insteresting and well designed, and I appreciate that you don't do a dumb face in order to attract viewers
I love my legion go. Such an amazing device. I’ve had it almost a month and I use this thing everyday. I haven’t tried playing Fortnite or undisputed at max settings yet but my performance mode runs for 2 hours on full charge.
i don't understand why they went with intel. seems like the choice makes both companies look bad. maybe they're hoping to scoop up all the intel fanboys? are there still intel fanboys in 2024?
@@SB-pf5rccompetition is good. I’d bet it was cheaper for them. I hope they continue doing to use intel and cause intel to improve. That said heard nivida is working on one using their cpu/gpu. Know they make good gpus but only experience with their apus is underpowered switch
@@SB-pf5rc MSI wanted to do something different than everyone else to stand out, it's a pretty common tactic actually, unfortunately being different doesn't make you better.
It will be nice to see how Intel works in a handheld after a few months with fixes. More competition is also good. I'm surprised Acer haven't revealed any "Predator Handheld" yet, but perhaps they are waiting for price drop.
Bought it at a discount. Works fine now and even great with the loss less scaling app on. Also the sound from the speakers is amazing. Would be awesome if you'd do an updated review with the new drivers.
Ayyyy I see you're also a "gentle leader" enjoyer. Isn't it amazing how much more comfortable our four legged friends are with it as a medium of communication instead of a collar? I love it and can't recommend enough.
I bought it despote these rewievs. Ind 3rd day i love it. Best joystick of all handhelds, best grips (as SD). Downside is only battery. But i played only at home on chargers. So no big deal for me. In real world is ok in comparison rog ally price is enourmus, but ergonomy is much more better
If you're comparing to things like Ally or SD for things like helldivers you need to give us the TDP's you used because just saying "we're getting pretty much exactly the same performance" doesn't tell us the whole picture. What TDP did it take to get the same performance because for a handheld battery life is kinda important. EDIT: Oh god and then when you compared fan noise the Claw was full battery and the Ally was charging. They run hotter while they are charging. So that wasn't a fair test either man cmon this is your job.
The look grows on me. After having it for awhile the heat doesn’t bother me, it mostly on the top side where it away from me. Also, performance might not be great in the beginning but they’ve been updating so far and performance are going up. Hopefully, with more updates I think it would do well in this platform.
@@dustindixon4257 there was a leak before it's release of it's benchmarks showing 32gb of ram, but they released it with only 16gb, so he must be going off that information which as someone with almost 1 mil subs i would figure would be a little better researched in the product he is reviewing..... but hey.
it doesn't say its from an unknown source. @9:00 says intel corporation. this is UAC and was added in Vista in 2006. Which can be turned off if you dont like those pop ups.
That issue @9:06 is probably a windows/Micro$haft signed certificate thing rather than an Intel issue. Windows probably won't "recognize" drivers that don't go through MS first.
You took this handheld to the BEACH?! No nonono. From my experience, it's not a good idea. When I was a kid I went to Maine for vacation and went to Pemaquid Beach. It's August and it's cold outside and the water is even worse. Through this boredom, I had to novel idea to bring my new Gameboy SP NES Edition to entertain me. Didn't quite used it as much as I thought however. But afterwards when I got home... The sand had somehow entered in between the lens and the screen and I couldn't remove it. But the most damning was that the sand had eroded the NES design on top of the shell. I was pissed. It doesn't matter how well you protect your electronics, the little bastard sands are coarse and rough and gets everywhere!
@@destruxandexploze2552 which there's absolutely nothing to be gained by going that high..... after 25-28 watts the Z1 extreme sees diminshing returns, way more heat to extremely little performance gain. its best to keep it between 25-30 even on the power adapter.
Love the way you present it in the first few rolls. Look cool when you put all handhelds together. Still trying to get used with my Claw. Transferring mobile game on handheld is quite hard🤣
Not to take away from the L of the ssd under the fan but im assuming it was to avoid faster ssds from overheating which may not be possible in the other handhelds.
7:18 Funny and Sad all the same, This is from a tiny "burr" or sharp spot, that is on the stick "contact point" where the stick was molded, they just didnt take the time, OR care to, smooth it out, OR use a better process that does not leave that burr on the stick. Ive seen this on a number of Cheap, Knock off controllers. Usually the first party, name brand stuff doesn't do this. "Amazing" that MSI didnt take more pride in their device and think about little things like this.. or is it...
I owned an MSI laptop years ago. Let me guess, if you open it up to upgrade nvme, will it void the warranty? Is there a sticker on the last screw hole that says VOID?
So far, I haven't had any serious issues with the Claw since I mainly run FC24. Love its ergonomic as well. Hopefully there will be more driver updates that could allow me to run ultra settings on it
For me the Claw looks sexy, and it does the job because I only play light games occasionally, and it could be docked with that Thunderbolt 4 which is not bad as a versatile portable light gaming/office machine.
Love seeing some competition here (blue and orange) hahaha keeps things spicy!! I try it out in-store, gotta say, the feel is 🥰! I think comfort is key, right? everyone's got their own grip~ better try by yourself
From my experience all joysticks get stuck like that if there's nothing limiting their range of motion. In this case and probably the others noted, the plastic circle around it is too big and let's the mechanism get to the point it binds up. Probably all of them are just cutting the allowable range of motion too close to their maximum.
Honestly this and the legion go are the only handhelds I'd recommend because of the basic premises of egpu support, not a 2k proprietary egpu from asus. Huge win for the legion go and msi claw, legion go is usb4 and msi claw is thunderbolt 4 so they are both wins miles away from the rog ally.
Intel ARC is made for modern graphics APIs (DirectX12 and Vulkan), given Proton is translating DirectX to Vulkan it could be great if it used Linux OS like Steam OS instead of Windows where it will use old DirectX for various games.
So from what I've seen between all the different reviews is that on average, this thing barely beats out the Steam Deck Oled while set to twice the TDP and gets annihilated by the Z1E chips while costing as much as it does. I wonder how fast the price will plummet.
This product sounds like a desperation move by old high up corporate types who don't know a thing about computers or gaming and say, "we need to get in this handheld gaming market now! Who makes computer chips, Intel right? I see their name on my desk computer! Yeah get those guys!"
@@WaltuhBlackjryeah despite me not being a fan of the handheld I can only agree that it's been fun seeing intel produce new products, I wish their teams the best on the journey. I hope their desktop GPUs get really good in time, I'll definitely move on from nvidia if they get in the high end market. I know it'll take years upon years though.
So, the reason most handhelds use AMD is due to their CPUs/SOCs having better integrated graphics than intel. So most of the time companies will default to AMD for their chips just for them being better. Ryzen also uses less power in a lot of cases.
It’s great, loved mine, but the screen size leaves a little bit to be desired for me personally and the analog sticks are just ok. Steam Deck OLED gets significantly more play time from me.
My left thumb sticks grinding on my Rog ally now. I never noticed it till you said and I looked though. I never push it all the way to the outside I guess. But it's probably those RGB light circles that aren't meant to be surrounding a thumb stick. Wrong material maybe.. but I thought all thumbsticks did that. I always used to notice White dust on my controller thumbsticks since forever. Dreamcast Xbox GameCube etc etc. Haven't noticed it on steam deck but I play my Rog ally way more. Hardly play my steam decks I have 2 LCDs
Using MSI a lot recently, I've found that you are supposed to use their listed drivers in the center, because they play nicer than the newest drivers. It annoys me a bit.
WOW! It's been only 6 years and portable devices managed to become more powerful than my laptop. And they're even cheaper! I still like my laptop though.
Apparently I got the amount of RAM WRONG SOMEHOW??? This one only has 16gb. I’ll try to remove any mention of RAM with the UA-cam editor. Might take a bit to do. If you see some weird jump cuts, thats why.
it's because it leaked saying it had 32gbs of ram so your brain was like damn this thing has 32gbs of ram lol. i think they just decided to save money by releasing with only 16gb which will hurt them in the end. a lot of modern games are requiring 16gb of ram so it essentially didn't future proof it very much. what a shame i was hyped for this thing.
Edit: They did say there would be 4 different versions and only released 3
@@kramerrichardson6008if you go on msi's international site it says it has 32gb. i think they meant it supports 32gb, but it's unclear.
But then it wasn't the extra RAM that made it get a higher performance score after all.
@@DavidFilskov in synthetic benchmarks the intel chip is more powerful than the z1 extreme, it just fights the igpu for power in games so it gets rough performance without really high wattage. I would like to see someone turn off the majority of the performance cores to see what kind of gains we can see shifted to the igpu.
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the reason amd chips are used more in gaming handhelds is because AMD generally has had a more superior integrated graphics solutions. AMD makes APUs that can actually game, intel APUs haven't really been able to do so until recently. not because a "cost thing"
He explains that right after saying the cost thing lol
@@arthurdurhamhe also says intel chipsets run hotter when typically the opposite is true since AMD processors don't usually distribute processing between cores at low loads.
They also seek to care a lot more about user experience then any of the other companies. Nvidia is pretty much Apple when it comes to locking basic features behind a more “supreme” device.
@@snerttti'm not sure why you say that, it's really easy to see the main thread bouncing around on my 3700x. on my 12600k machine it's hard to see it cuz intel doesn't do core parking or boost individual cores.
As someone who has used Intel CPUs in early 2000s without a graphics card, I can testify Intel sucks in the graphics department. They are overtly anemic and continue to be pushed to the laptop market, severely handicapping their potential unless you want to shell out extra cash for a GPU that's going to get thermal throttled anyway.
AMD APUs perform much better than what Intel does, who just laxes on the graphics processing field.
The aesthetic is like that old school gamer look from 15 years ago, where everything was chunky and black + red, and EVERYTHING needed a grille on it.
Thats still how msi stuff looks. I didnt wanna buy an MSI motherboard for my pc because it has a glass panel and the msi boards just look so cringy
@@cybrnekomusic
Yeah, I got a stealth MSI laptop and it totally brought the look in line, I don't mind the sleeker "mid 2010s matrix" look when it's sleek like that, but some of those non stealth ones looked like a PS3 got attacked by Venom and became a gamer.
it's hideous
I actually like the look more than the ally I like that old chunky gamer look if only it preformed better it will probably get a lot better after a few major updates intel drivers are usually more stable than AMD it’s one of the reasons AMD struggles with Nvidia the main problem these windows hand helds face is ironically windows 11 it’s a terrible choice for a portable device.
Give me the older late 90s office computer beige colors because that's how Intel graphics technology is.
The Claw hurt itself in confusion.
As many glitches as gen 1
Nice 😂
Pokemon refers
@@emilcioran7444 It does.
Typing this on an MSi GS63VR 7RG Stealth Pro that, just a few days ago, I had to REMOVE THE MOTHERBOARD on just to clean lint out of the fans. Not only do you have to do this to access the fans, but to get to the RAM slots and SSD.
MSi, unlike every other manufacturer, seems to actively enjoy making their devices unnecessarily difficult for the end user to service. On the plus side, other than needing fan servicing every couple of years to remove built up dust from the guts and replacing the battery when it wears down, it's been a powerhouse of a machine for the roughly 6 years I've had it.
The dust filters on the ROG Ally are absolutely great, no dust whatsoever inside the fans or cooler finns after a couple of months.
@@samserious1337 my house is unfortunately fairly dusty due to pets and wood heat, but even so I only end up getting the "grinding sound of death" about every two years when actual lint balls finally build up large enough to bump the fan blades. Popping things open and cleaning it out gets them back to running cool and quiet, it's just baffling that they made the decision to make accessing those often-accessed parts require such severe disassembly when literally every other manufacturer makes their machines easy for even complete beginners to service. Servicing this laptop feels like rocket surgery by comparison.
They also tend to load their computers with bloatware as well.
@@mortmortmort8908 every company loads their computers with bloatware. Its too simple to reset base windows that this should honestly no longer be a point of contention for *any* products. And no man, I really dont want to hear about some mom and pop pc company that honors your notions of whats acceptable. For 99% of users , its 99% not a problem. Just remove the programs you dont want, or just reset windows. Takes 5 minutes.
For my MSI Sword I have to unscrew literally more than 15 screw just to access the back to install an SSD, only to learn that A: the SATA slot was completely removed on the models without warning or reason and B: only the more expensive models have 2 NVME slots. Great.
$800 and you can’t even upgrade its storage. OUCH…that’s very disappointing.
@fumangus69i don't wanna learn about apple laptops.
Meanwhile Steam Deck has instructions and warns that if you mess up, that's on your ass.
that’s literally not true
it has a microsd slot and you can change the internal ssd, its just harder than on rog ally or steam deck
@@SKANER__ thats the point. its harder to upgrade stuff on the claw then on other handhelds of its caliber.
800 and the performance is worse then all the handhelds
Bare in mind, the MSI Claw ISN'T the same price as the Z1 Extreme handhelds.
There IS a Claw at $700USD, but that one is the lesser i5 variant. The i7 variant costs something like $750-800USD.
“Intel run hot and need power”
Well, well, well now the the turntables..
Yeah that is such an old Intel fan boys argue to amd decades ago
It's come full circle. Pentium 4's, Especially Prescotts, were insanely hot. (compared to Athlon XP/64) So hot Dell/Intel created a new motherboard and case form factor which didn't stick. thank god (BTX)
@@godhero2566when you got (pun intended) cooked for one thing for so long either figure out the solution or suffer as the eternal laughing stock lol
more cores
Three for Three on the Not Recommended list. First it was Retro Game Corps, then The Phawx, now Mr. Wulff. This thing is gonna have an uphill struggle.
i had that EXACT thumbstick issue..... on steam deck. the original run of LCD models (mine was a Q3 first year version) actually had a lot of reports like this. most people (including me) just bought some cheap joystick protectors from ebay, little silicone rings that slip onto the joystick stem, and then you forget the problem ever happened. good to know my OLED deck had this problem sorted from the beginning tho
Yeah those protectors are great. I have them on my OLED and a nice side effect is that they stop the sound of the stick clacking against the plastic ring.
Bro please do a revision on the claw with the CPU power fix, updated bios and drivers. Would love to see how it compares against the LeGo and the rAlly.
one of the biggest issues I see with these other non steam deck handhelds is the controls layout. It is entirely user preference but for me the dualshock-esque layout with sticks and buttons at equal heights and overall symmetry of the controls is a major W for the steam deck. None of these other handhelds seem to even offer parity with the SD controls either. 4 back paddles and two touchpads give me access to potentially 100 inputs, instantly, on other own. (seriously, radial menus on trackpads are op). it's a handheld console, i don't expect preformance to be very good, im firmly in the camp that a portable system should prioritize comfort and capability over raw processing power. essentially a "can it do it well" instead of "can it do it the fastest".
Also major points towards valve for making their upgrade process for the Steam Deck as user friendly as possible, holy balls 16:35 was just cringe once you told us what all that was.
Not on new one they didn’t. They glued a wire under shield over ssd and a ribbon cable on top of that same shield. So getting to ssd means you risk tearing two important cables. Since this wasn’t case on lcd model I can’t help but feel they did this on purpose to make changing ssd harder and more riskier.
@@sly2792004 I was referring to the OLED models
Upgrade process on the Rog Ally and Legion Go is easy too
Not to demerit the deck`s upgradeability in any way, but last month I installed a 2tb ssd into my Ally, and it was increadibly simple. In fact, the most difficult parts were that I was bamboozled by the bottom middle screw which I initially thought was stripped but turned out to be captive, and the battery connector was fiddly to reconnect. Other than that, it was smooth sailing, and only took a couple of minutes
@@andreanastacio9548The thumbsticks aren't that hard to swap either on the ROG Ally
Even without all the vents and other holes, there's no way I'd take a portable PC/gaming device like that to a beach/boardwalk like Coney Island in NYC.
when the engineers were making it, i can't understand why they felt the need to even produce the 155 version, the processor robs way too much power from the igpu, this is a gaming machine so the extra p cores were just not worth it, if you want a fast processor, get a laptop? these are meant for gaming so they just don't need such a power hungry cpu. I'm disappointed because I've always been intel with my desktop builds.
also I am very sure that it only comes with 16gb of ram like the rog ally does, it would have been really smart of them to bump it to 32gb, but they didn't, we saw false benchmarks of the claw running with 32gb of ram but they must have deemed the performance gain to cost ineffective.
32gbs? I only see 16gb...
Yea i was confused here lol. I reviewed the device as well and all models have 16GB ram
yeah i think he was thinking about when the benchmarks were leaked before it's release it was showing 32gb of system memory but it officially released with only 16gb options.
I was looking for a 32 gb version. MSI’s website still says “up to 32 gb of RAM”.
@@christopherfeist1687 msi said there would be 4 models we have only seen 3
@@ToGrimmToWinmaybe it’s releasing later on?
I love hearing your experiences with these devices. Love the content Bob.
Love the elegant black outlook and how you hold it looks very comfortable!
I gotta say that I love your thumbnails, they're always insteresting and well designed, and I appreciate that you don't do a dumb face in order to attract viewers
I love my legion go. Such an amazing device. I’ve had it almost a month and I use this thing everyday. I haven’t tried playing Fortnite or undisputed at max settings yet but my performance mode runs for 2 hours on full charge.
hello great to see this video finally come out
Poor MSI, it seems their first attempt is a failure mostly because they joined with team blue.
i don't understand why they went with intel. seems like the choice makes both companies look bad. maybe they're hoping to scoop up all the intel fanboys? are there still intel fanboys in 2024?
@@SB-pf5rccompetition is good. I’d bet it was cheaper for them. I hope they continue doing to use intel and cause intel to improve. That said heard nivida is working on one using their cpu/gpu. Know they make good gpus but only experience with their apus is underpowered switch
@@SB-pf5rc MSI wanted to do something different than everyone else to stand out, it's a pretty common tactic actually, unfortunately being different doesn't make you better.
@thegamerfe8751 Especially since Intel Arc graphics are becoming way better than it's UHD counterpart
@@MastermindAtWork Who runs UHD resolutions on these devices anyway :D
It will be nice to see how Intel works in a handheld after a few months with fixes. More competition is also good.
I'm surprised Acer haven't revealed any "Predator Handheld" yet, but perhaps they are waiting for price drop.
Bought it at a discount. Works fine now and even great with the loss less scaling app on. Also the sound from the speakers is amazing. Would be awesome if you'd do an updated review with the new drivers.
Ayyyy I see you're also a "gentle leader" enjoyer. Isn't it amazing how much more comfortable our four legged friends are with it as a medium of communication instead of a collar? I love it and can't recommend enough.
6:58 I have this exact problem with my steam deck, and it is very annoying
I bought it despote these rewievs. Ind 3rd day i love it. Best joystick of all handhelds, best grips (as SD). Downside is only battery. But i played only at home on chargers. So no big deal for me. In real world is ok in comparison rog ally price is enourmus, but ergonomy is much more better
If you're comparing to things like Ally or SD for things like helldivers you need to give us the TDP's you used because just saying "we're getting pretty much exactly the same performance" doesn't tell us the whole picture. What TDP did it take to get the same performance because for a handheld battery life is kinda important.
EDIT: Oh god and then when you compared fan noise the Claw was full battery and the Ally was charging. They run hotter while they are charging. So that wasn't a fair test either man cmon this is your job.
The look grows on me. After having it for awhile the heat doesn’t bother me, it mostly on the top side where it away from me. Also, performance might not be great in the beginning but they’ve been updating so far and performance are going up. Hopefully, with more updates I think it would do well in this platform.
Your B Roll cinematography is awesome, makes the MSI Claw look really cool!
Sounds a lot like the launch of the ROG Ally last year and all the problems it had at launch. Hopefully some firmware updates will make it competitive
Handhelds are so cool and I hope they keep innovating!
Not seeing this 32GB RAM model anywhere online.
Agreed. I wish he’d show the system specifications so that we’d know if his device is a unique one provided to UA-camrs or….he didn’t do the research
There isn't one.
@@dustindixon4257 there was a leak before it's release of it's benchmarks showing 32gb of ram, but they released it with only 16gb, so he must be going off that information which as someone with almost 1 mil subs i would figure would be a little better researched in the product he is reviewing..... but hey.
I didn't know this thing existed but hyped for the vid.
I love how the most replayed moment is the moment immedietly after the sponsor, lol
it doesn't say its from an unknown source. @9:00 says intel corporation. this is UAC and was added in Vista in 2006. Which can be turned off if you dont like those pop ups.
That issue @9:06 is probably a windows/Micro$haft signed certificate thing rather than an Intel issue. Windows probably won't "recognize" drivers that don't go through MS first.
You took this handheld to the BEACH?! No nonono. From my experience, it's not a good idea.
When I was a kid I went to Maine for vacation and went to Pemaquid Beach. It's August and it's cold outside and the water is even worse.
Through this boredom, I had to novel idea to bring my new Gameboy SP NES Edition to entertain me. Didn't quite used it as much as I thought however. But afterwards when I got home...
The sand had somehow entered in between the lens and the screen and I couldn't remove it. But the most damning was that the sand had eroded the NES design on top of the shell. I was pissed.
It doesn't matter how well you protect your electronics, the little bastard sands are coarse and rough and gets everywhere!
"for starters, they run HOT!" well, we learned this from the Pentium 4's and saw nothing really change with the Core series so yeeeeeeaaaaaaah
Thanks man. This info is helpful. I'm maybe possibly considering obtaining on of these units.
0:12 can we get a knife collection video???
I'll grab one because of the cooling perks you mentioned. Something less "toasty" suits long gaming sessions better.
Ally can do max 30W plugged in, 25W is the max on battery.
And you can go higher with the manual TDP mode in the settings. (I believe up to 53W with FPPT, 43W with SPPT, 30W with SPL)
@@destruxandexploze2552 which there's absolutely nothing to be gained by going that high..... after 25-28 watts the Z1 extreme sees diminshing returns, way more heat to extremely little performance gain. its best to keep it between 25-30 even on the power adapter.
The Claws charger looks like the exact same one we got with the ROG Ally in Australia
Love the way you present it in the first few rolls. Look cool when you put all handhelds together. Still trying to get used with my Claw. Transferring mobile game on handheld is quite hard🤣
After I tried it in the shop I decided to have it, is the best handheld design that feels great while holding it on hand.
Perfect timing for this vid; i just finished watching a 2230 ssd swap vid for these.
Hahahaha The ELT Prime one?! Because if it that's one, same here dude.
Not to take away from the L of the ssd under the fan but im assuming it was to avoid faster ssds from overheating which may not be possible in the other handhelds.
7:18 Funny and Sad all the same, This is from a tiny "burr" or sharp spot, that is on the stick "contact point" where the stick was molded, they just didnt take the time, OR care to, smooth it out, OR use a better process that does not leave that burr on the stick. Ive seen this on a number of Cheap, Knock off controllers. Usually the first party, name brand stuff doesn't do this. "Amazing" that MSI didnt take more pride in their device and think about little things like this.. or is it...
I owned an MSI laptop years ago. Let me guess, if you open it up to upgrade nvme, will it void the warranty? Is there a sticker on the last screw hole that says VOID?
Doesn’t matter, least in the US and other countries the sticker is unenforceable.
Tried the Claw - ergonomic grips, haptic feedback, and grip feel great! Thinking of snagging one for my birthday!😍
So far, I haven't had any serious issues with the Claw since I mainly run FC24. Love its ergonomic as well. Hopefully there will be more driver updates that could allow me to run ultra settings on it
Why have you bought it and not the Rog Ally ?
For me the Claw looks sexy, and it does the job because I only play light games occasionally, and it could be docked with that Thunderbolt 4 which is not bad as a versatile portable light gaming/office machine.
4:55 There is NO retail unit of the MSI Claw with 32 GB. Expected better from this channel.
i wouldn't rag on the channel too hard. his look/feel/subjective experience analysis is great, maybe the best. but bob isn't a super pc hardware nerd.
Love seeing some competition here (blue and orange) hahaha keeps things spicy!! I try it out in-store, gotta say, the feel is 🥰! I think comfort is key, right? everyone's got their own grip~ better try by yourself
great video! hopefully with future updates from MSI/Intel we can see better performance. I love the design and feel of it!
Hey, I be playing HD2 in Steam Deck and its smooth and amazing
From my experience all joysticks get stuck like that if there's nothing limiting their range of motion. In this case and probably the others noted, the plastic circle around it is too big and let's the mechanism get to the point it binds up. Probably all of them are just cutting the allowable range of motion too close to their maximum.
Got one already😎 the grip is so comfy and it's actually quite light!
The ally goes up to 30w on a turbo and you can technically further increase it into the 40w range manually if you felt like it
the steam deck was my first amd device but honestly these past few years make me wanna run full speed in the direction of amd and never look back
Honestly this and the legion go are the only handhelds I'd recommend because of the basic premises of egpu support, not a 2k proprietary egpu from asus. Huge win for the legion go and msi claw, legion go is usb4 and msi claw is thunderbolt 4 so they are both wins miles away from the rog ally.
They should have waited for lunar lake. It needs to be more power efficient.
Seeing a windows desktop on a handheld gives the same feeling as going to a date's house and seeing the bed is unmade.
was waiting for you to review this piece of tech Mr Wulff nice👍
Intel ARC is made for modern graphics APIs (DirectX12 and Vulkan), given Proton is translating DirectX to Vulkan it could be great if it used Linux OS like Steam OS instead of Windows where it will use old DirectX for various games.
what's with the weird bar at the top of the video?
Only trust the cooling design from MSI, keep it cool without burning the SD card...
So from what I've seen between all the different reviews is that on average, this thing barely beats out the Steam Deck Oled while set to twice the TDP and gets annihilated by the Z1E chips while costing as much as it does. I wonder how fast the price will plummet.
10:39
How in the hell are you getting 60fps on helldivers on the steam deck? Mine cant push a consistent 30
It's the way the CPU/APUs Intel chips are built. They do stacks instead of grids; that's why they get insanely hot.
This would definitely be my first choice for handheld. Cooling performance and long battery life are what I care about the most.
When did it get 32gb?
I'm fond of the graceful black appearance, and the way it feels in hand is exceptionally comfortable!
MSI Claw brings back the feeling of gaming consoles for me. It's a comfortable, easy-to-use, and user-friendly handheld!
What settings were used in the benchmark? Or was it stock settings?
It's pretty impressive on the claw for the benchmark testing lol also the battery life I think Claw is the largest in the market so far
This product sounds like a desperation move by old high up corporate types who don't know a thing about computers or gaming and say, "we need to get in this handheld gaming market now! Who makes computer chips, Intel right? I see their name on my desk computer! Yeah get those guys!"
Intel has been getting really competitive in mobile performance these last couple years, it’s honestly super impressive. They are only getting better
@@WaltuhBlackjryeah despite me not being a fan of the handheld I can only agree that it's been fun seeing intel produce new products, I wish their teams the best on the journey. I hope their desktop GPUs get really good in time, I'll definitely move on from nvidia if they get in the high end market. I know it'll take years upon years though.
Gen 2 of these devices are gonna be so good
not with Intel
@@DenienN yeah? You got inside information from the future?
@@TheMetaldudeX yes its called *I know how corporations work*
@@DenienNdo you really tho ?
11:50 cool doesn't necessarily mean better. cool could mean it has bad cooling or well.. it's clocked lower.
So, the reason most handhelds use AMD is due to their CPUs/SOCs having better integrated graphics than intel. So most of the time companies will default to AMD for their chips just for them being better. Ryzen also uses less power in a lot of cases.
Great Stuff, as always!
This would be good for the games i wanna play
finding out wulff den's name was bob really killed the immersion. now i just see him as bob
Wait how do you have a 32gb memory model, the only models announced so far and the only one's I see for sale only have 16gb of memory.
How is the gpu compared to Deck or Rog's?
I really wish you'd review the Gpd win 4. It seems so amazingly cool yet nobody talks about it
It’s great, loved mine, but the screen size leaves a little bit to be desired for me personally and the analog sticks are just ok. Steam Deck OLED gets significantly more play time from me.
i love my MSI Claw and some of my games run better on it instead of my Ally.
Looks cool, feels cool + amazing display...can't wait to get one of these!
it is the biggest turd ever, buy two
so which handheld is the best ?
The Rog Ally has a max TDP of 30, not 25. And it can boost to 55
Too many negatives when compared to what's available. Maybe they can make it an option after some updates / price cut
nice to see that more different hardware gets used, kind of a shame that so many use windows though. would be nice to see more with some sort of linux
ASUS ROG Ally does 30 watts max TDP when plugged in. Just for clarification.
My left thumb sticks grinding on my Rog ally now. I never noticed it till you said and I looked though. I never push it all the way to the outside I guess. But it's probably those RGB light circles that aren't meant to be surrounding a thumb stick. Wrong material maybe.. but I thought all thumbsticks did that. I always used to notice White dust on my controller thumbsticks since forever. Dreamcast Xbox GameCube etc etc. Haven't noticed it on steam deck but I play my Rog ally way more. Hardly play my steam decks I have 2 LCDs
Using MSI a lot recently, I've found that you are supposed to use their listed drivers in the center, because they play nicer than the newest drivers. It annoys me a bit.
My Steamdeck OLED had one of those crunchy portions on the R stick too
WOW! It's been only 6 years and portable devices managed to become more powerful than my laptop. And they're even cheaper! I still like my laptop though.
Fascinating exterior design and great handheld experiences.
The ad though. Woofden was just pure genius 👌