@@SamsTrains are you going to get the new murphys models 121 class? I had an 071 class made by them and i found it to be a great model. It came out a good few years ago but it was a spectacular puller, very detailed and very sturdy. It survived falling off my table in which i had my layout a good few times. (Im very clumsy) It eventually broke (not exactly suprising considering how i treated it) when it fell off the table i had my layout on. I have since stopped the hobby because i dont have enough time for it. I have all my engines still and i dont think im going to use them anymore. The 071 has seen better days. I loved that locomotive a lot and its unfortunate that it has become so damaged. I have a few others including an A4, An LMS patriot, a gwr 5700 pannier etc. if you want them just say so. Id prefer to see them lookiled after than rotting away in the attic. I just dont have the time nor money for the hobby anymore. Great video as always. :D
I think the Stanier Moguls look absolutely incredible, you could easily mistake it for a Black Five, but only has one set of bogey wheels instead of two sets, and it’s a lovely locomotive. The preserved example, 2968, was once based on the Severn Valley Railway, but I don’t think it is there anymore, as far as I know. It’s a lovely locomotive and it’s not something you see everyday.
A nice model of a rather important mid-line mixed traffic type. The numbers of Moguls built by BR speaks to their utility. Also, I have a Bachmann Ivatt 2mt TANK engine that weighs 340 grams. Sometimes Bachmann makes these things bricks - which they should do more often!
Sam'sTrains I enjoy it quite a lot! At that point in time, it was my only British model, so I remember opening it up and being surprised at how the inside of the cab was painted; even my most expensive American models didn't have that!
Try again! Beautiful model Sam! I love these engines and it’s good to have a preserved example! I read the surviving examples overhaul is hoped to be finished next year and then the next overhaul will be 2025-2030 in order to have it operating for its 100th birthday!
I bought one of these a while back. I was taken by the look of it. I replaced the coal load with real crushed coal. Very effective.h I, fortunately, have had no issues with its running.
This looks like a good model! Glad to see it has bearings instead of none at all. It's a shame that the faults let It down a bit. I'm gonna be doin some more model railway stuff on my channel soon. -Jack
Nice model and well done for persevering with that mechanism Sam. (Think even at the discounted price though, I'd have sent it back!) Lovely to see your 'Jubilee' as well. Many thanks as always.
Nice review Sam! This Stanier mogul reminds me of the Black 5 due to it's shape. It also has the almost exact same power classification which is a 5P but the Stanier mogul is a 4F while the Black 5 is a 5F or 5MT. And when you mention about the wheel set being similar to the LMS Crab you're right it does look very similar to the LMS Crab locomotive. So this locomotive was probably from the Black 5 and the LMS Crab even though the Black 5 came out later than the Stanier Mogul did. :P
Just to let you know Sam, most people would prefer engines not to speed up suddenly as it reduces wear on the wheels, and also the motor. I reckon it's most likely because of a large brass flywheel, which also aids slow speed performance. My Hornby model of Tornado does the same and is fine after a fair few years. The play in the axles is usually to accommodate smaller radius curves, but it can be a pain if not done properly
That's not true with this one - no flywheel to my knowledge! I agree you don't want models to speed up suddenly, but you achieve that by careful controlling, not by having an underpowered motor! ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I have a bachmann 9f that never worked till I fiddled with the valve gear it slowed on corners and seized up all the time it was very much a pronounced version of what's going on hear. So if it seems to be struggling then I'd take another look at the valve gear. Also as for curve I find bachmann engine don't always go round the curves they say they do.
Sorry to hear that mate - I have had this before with Bachmann locos too - took me a while to get my Crab working properly too! Glad to hear you managed to get yours running though! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, I got my loco last year from The Model Centre in North Yorkshire for a little over £106 and it came perfect, no damages and a good runner, no hiccups on the mechanism, guess you were a bit unlucky.
Even better 4 yrs on I’ve picked a secondhand one for £80 (looks like it was never run accessories bag is untouched). Purely bought as this was a gap in my Stanier collection. I’ve watched too many of your reviews, first thing I did was to check if the buffers where sprung.
That's a fine model Sam, interestingly, when I started modelling in the 1950's the best then available was HornbyDublo..later Wrenn and they were of all metal construction. However, they were very expensive, and something I longed for for many years. Triang introduced the Plastic molded bodies which were produced at a much reduced cost. So the relatively high price for these finely detailed models today, in real terms, is comparable with these top end models all those years ago. I don't quite understand why not having sprung buffers is an issue, as the cannot be used as such...we'll be looking for working brakes next...lol.....Bob
Thanks a lot Bob - oh yes, the Dublo stuff had a great reputation didn't it?! No sprung buffers isn't a problem at all - but I'd expect a much better price when features such as those are ommited! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Reason its £50 off is because Hattons are trying to shift their remaining Bachmann stock for cheap. Bachmann no longer supply Hattons due to a dispute over them making their own 66 to compete with the Bachmann model. Once all the Bachmann stock is gone from Hattons it won't be restocked and no new Bachmann releases will be on Hattons.
I don't think that's why it's discounted though - most of their other Bachmann products are back at the RRP or close to it - which suggests that they're trying to maintain their stock! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam as a new enthusiast to the model rail sector just wanted to say how much I appreciate your model reviews, especially the rating system you have and how thorough, fair and objective you are. I feel that when the models are so relatively expensive in consideration to the number and variety available, it's critical to have a benchmark as a prospective purchaser to work from. Do you publish an up to date list of your ratings for reference purposes? Also you test pre DCC chip installation. In your opinion are the models better performers after chipping? The cynical part of me feels that manufacturers may seek to increase value in the product by deliberately not fitting chips wanting that secondary DCC chip market to increase overall profit. May it also increase their desire to fit less sophisticated motors/bearings etc as in, once fitted, the chip gives more satisfaction in the product performance? Would value your thoughts. Cheers.
Thanks very much for that mate, you're very kind - glad to hear these videos are of use to you! I'm working on having the ranking list publicly accessible from next year - it would be great! That may well be a possibility - but I'm sure Hornby and Bachmann (for example) are aware that their decoders aren't the best - so I'm certain they don't expect to turn a greater profit by not including them, since most would buy better decoders if forced to buy them separately. This year Hornby have been making DCC versions of most of their models, which do seem to sell well! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That does seem like a nice model, though the mechanical problems are concerning. Odd one out is the Patriot (or is it a Royal Scot?) in any case it's a Fowler design, not Stanier.
Imagine InterCity82 getting this locomotive. He'd be a bit disappointed with no sprung buffers since he loves his sprung buffers on his locomotives as well as opening smokebox doors. :P
Great video again....To be honest I really warmed to this new loco.....warts n’ all ! Lol.....let’s just say its got character......enjoyable stuff £106 is not too bad either......the rrp is deffo over the top! .... cheers
My dean goods loco has a strange thing where ,when it goes backwards, the wheel on the loco of my tender driven train Jams and the tender starts dragging it. Then when I give the loco a little push it clicks and is on its way! Strange but I did get it second hand.
I’ve had that problem with West Country class locos. It’s a bastard. I’ve never really overcome it either as there’s not enough room and or too much flex on curves to allow enough clearance at each extreme and across all in-between positions. Such a let down. I did notice on yours when you shot it on the bench power supply, that the right middle wheel is quite distorted and that would give a moment of beyond its normal maximum flex. If your brave and can be bothered; you could carefully machine that true and i think it would really improve yours. Or change that axle if you have a correct one to replace it with. 😉
I did have that on a West Country too actually - quite a few of the 2001 era Hornby locos definitely have this problem! I'll double check the wheel - I didn't notice anything in person mind! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Why is Henrietta still on your 2019 ranking list? I thought you removed her from the list since you didn't add Toad to the list since the ranking list is only for locomotives.
Excellent review of the Bachmann LMS Stanier Mogul Sam 👍 It is a nice model to buy and see in action on both model or real life forms. 2968 on the Severn Valley Railway is going to be painted into LMS black livery and she will be in steam hopefully during next year. It strange that this model of this loco is very expensive as I think it should be £139 instead because this model as you putted out on some of the details, but it never the less it is a good model. However it unfortunate that the model has a three pole motor instead five pole which would make the loco a great performance, I think Bachmann should really use the same motor from the Hornby LMS Black Five.
Thanks a lot Joe - and for the info on the real one! I agree - £139 would be a much better price for something like this, with a retailer price of below £100! I think so too - Bachmann have no good reason to stop using their 3 pole motors - based on their replacement price, they're incredibly expensive and not that great! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Stanier started learning that everything GW wasn't necessarily right. The engine as originally out shopped even had a GW coffee pot with combined safety valve and top feed cover. It was no better than the Crabs and many thought it inferior. He learned to increase the number of superheaters and provide domes. In my opinion this engine does not look as well balanced as the Black 5.
Hi Sam. I had a dumb question on the subject of pick-ups. I would think that as long as the loco runs reliably over points, it would be ideal to have as few pick-ups as it could get away with. After all, more than necessary is just more to clean and more wiring. I wouldn't know about how much it would reduce cost, but I feel that easier maintenance would be a nice advantage. So, I would like to ask, is there a serious advantage for having more pick-ups? I enjoy the content; keep it up.
Hi Trent - yes I think there is an advantage - the more pickups means less current passing through each wheel - less current means smaller sparks on the track, which results in less oxidation, which in turn results in cleaner wheels! It also guarantees the best continuity with the track! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
There seems to be a problem with the side rods. But you did a fantastic job fixing it! Are Bachmann diesels and electrics any good? I really like the Bachmann class 90s and I hope you can review one. :)
Hi Sam .A £106 to me is a lot of money and I would expect this loco to perform properly these locos should be tested more vigorously. In my opinion I think £ 90 for this loco would be fair price then maybe I could except the sicky rod maybe .never the less good review though Sam very much appreciated .Tony PS send it back.
Pity sam, it is beautifully presented, I had the same problem with driving rods on my super detail black 5 amongst other things runs fine now, great review 👍
Nice review as usual. The clicking valve gear is not a design flaw after all its a scaled down version of Stanier's design. I would go as far to say the model was mishandled at some point in the past possible when manufactured and the rods were bent in to each other at that point, especially as the other side was ok. My N gauge Flying Scotsman suffer a similar problem and I think it was caused when testing in the model shop. You say you don't like bending the parts like you did, try it on an N gauge loco, that is really nerve racking.
Hi Rob - but the valve gear isn't a scaled down version of Stanier's design - it's just designed to give that impression! It could well have been mishandled, you're right! Blimey, I'd really hate to try that with anything N gauge! Cheers, Sam :)
Hey sam. Are you going to check out the new murphys models 121 class? I had an 071 class from murphys models and i was very pleased with it. I got rid of it only because i didnt have the time, money or space for model railways so i put everything in the attic. It was a great engine :D
The GS64 (one of their American steam locomotives) had problems with rods catching each other, not surprised Bachmann didn’t fix this or do anything for that problem
Nice video, nice loco! It's a shame about the build quality. Not a big fan of the black 5s me, I prefer the standard 5s. Still a nice engine. Well done great video Sam 👍
21:13 I think the crank is ever so slightly too close to the connecting rod as well. This is especially odd from Bachmann since they make dents in their connecting rods on the older OO and the super-detailed N models to prevent that issue. Really a is shame.
Yes it does look pretty loose - I've seen this once or twice from Bachmann too - funnily enough I seem to remember my Crab doing exactly the same thing out of the box! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
If my video was to fast or not enought coding explaining this is what to do First go on to a route in build or quik drive mode or if prefered a self created new route build track or it or go into a route with a train go to world editor go to train/save symbol yes to save wait go to small speed gauge looking icon where the train save symbol was and program
I think you're very generous on your rankings! For what you described, it should have been well reduced on price. For the price you paid, I would have returned for a full refund.
Thanks Fred - I couldn't assume that every model would have this problem, just to be fair! If it had run better, it would have been brill! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Just bought one after watching your review Sam, was a bit hesitant as Bachmann steamers have poor mechanisms but this one seems to have raised the bar a bit. Shame about the mediocre 3 pole motors Bachmann fit in every steam model and wish I could find a 5 pole replacement that would be a direct swap.
@@SamsTrains , yes this is easily the best Bachmann steamer I own for a few reasons and your review was spot on! I haven't had any of the linkage problems you encountered thank goodness and it goes round 2nd radius curves with no problems. The mechanism seems to have greatly improved even from recent similar models like the J11 and the 4F that have bearings, tender pickups and a lot of diecast weight and it is so quiet I can't hear any gear or motor noise (my J11 is like yours e.g. DCC-fitted and sounds like a coffee grinder at all speeds). The slow runnning is the best of all my Bachmann steamers and even compares with the high-end Hornby models. So in a way for the first time this is a better all-rounder for me than say even the Hornby King Class or the Lord Nelson as it runs almost as well and is a lot more robust without bits dropping off when handling. I'm scared to even pickup my King Class as it is so plasticy and fragile so it doesn't get run (I too have a big circle of track on a wooden floor in a spare bedroom). If Bachmann could produce steamers to this standard for a good price then it would be a win-win so Hornby should take note and maybe stop making extremely fragile plasticky top-end models with great chassis but 'cheap' superficially pretty exteriors that I don't think will stand the test of time and repeated handling. And thanks for the reviews and that you are unbiassed and fair - I won't now buy a model until you have reviewed it and given it the thumbs-up as they are just too expensive now to take a gamble on as it can take me months to save for a high-end model these days and it is getting tougher trying to justify the spend to the missus so I just tell her that Sam likes it so must be good!
I've had a somewhat similar experience with a Bachmann 2251 (Collett Goods), mine specifically has a very difficult time on 2nd radius curves, the front axle is absurdly stiff and the rods being done up too tight from the factory didn't help things either. Strange that some of the Bachmann USA Spectrum locos seem underpowered as well. I wonder how Hattons manages these deals, though!
It seems quite common - I've seen it a few times myself, and I've seen several comments saying the same thing! I don't rate Bachmann to be honest with you - so many issues!! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Another good review Sam, sadly though this Bachmann model for me still seems quite pricey, although it’s great that hattons sell it at £106. Is the bachmann branchline series the bachmann equivalent of Railroad by hornby? Keep up the awesome work sam!
Thanks a lot Chris - yeah I agree, it's a lot considering some of the less than impressive features! Nope - Branchline is their main British range, they're just often overpriced or not very good ;) Thanks for watching - Sam :)
hello sam i would agree with your ratings and i think the theme was tender engines from the LMS and when is the next live stream on and will you get a Bachmann diesel or Paxton and love the video from david
Thanks David, and very well spotted! That would be great - I'd love that! I'm starting live streams again next week - I'll post the dates soon! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Is the off side buffer slightly pointing upwards? Not convinced about this model. Rather a lot of faults for a very expensive model before discounting.
Another interesting review, not sure on the mogul. Actually one question, do you think you'll review the Dean single? When Hatton's released the images, my expectations dropped at the sight of plastic tender wheels but maybe it may have an amazing mechanism like other railroad locos, but I'm on the fence
Thanks Barry! The Dean Single is an extremely old model that dates back to the 1970s, or possibly even 1960s - they're very attractive, but generally aren't the best performers - I will be reviewing one though! :D Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains also, I've started my own Railway🙂 It's digital Though, So I can't run some Trains on it, DCC Digital, H0 scale👍🏻 Also... Just a Question: Can you do a review of Some trains from NMJ? I think you might like some of their models😏🙂 -Wheelie
Hi Sam, that seemed a bit disappointing and I know what you mean regarding once it's failed you wonder if you can trust it. The scratches to me were very poor indeed. Nice model over all but no real advance on something maybe 10 or more years old, does the motor get hot after she has had a good run?
Yeah I agree Mike - not impressive to say how new it is! I didn't notice any heat from the body, but the extra weight must be adding to the motor strain! Thanks for watching - Sam :)
You know Sam should have gone for a diesel when yet another steamer gets jammed, damaged or had a fault. Sam, you should have gone for a 70, 68, 73, 150, 153, 158 or 170. Or even a 450! There are so many nice diesels you could have purchased! I often find the diesels are more reliable and have better motors etc. Nice review though none the less!
You know it’s good when Sam says the word “bargain”
haha oh yeah!! ;D
@@SamsTrainsWhat’s a bargain?
What a lovely little engine, great video keep up the great work
-Ollie
Thanks a lot Ollie, glad you enjoyed her! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
I was thinking of getting this engine since it looks amazing.
-David
For the right price, they are pretty decent David! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains are you going to get the new murphys models 121 class? I had an 071 class made by them and i found it to be a great model. It came out a good few years ago but it was a spectacular puller, very detailed and very sturdy. It survived falling off my table in which i had my layout a good few times. (Im very clumsy) It eventually broke (not exactly suprising considering how i treated it) when it fell off the table i had my layout on. I have since stopped the hobby because i dont have enough time for it. I have all my engines still and i dont think im going to use them anymore. The 071 has seen better days. I loved that locomotive a lot and its unfortunate that it has become so damaged. I have a few others including an A4, An LMS patriot, a gwr 5700 pannier etc. if you want them just say so. Id prefer to see them lookiled after than rotting away in the attic. I just dont have the time nor money for the hobby anymore. Great video as always. :D
I think the Stanier Moguls look absolutely incredible, you could easily mistake it for a Black Five, but only has one set of bogey wheels instead of two sets, and it’s a lovely locomotive. The preserved example, 2968, was once based on the Severn Valley Railway, but I don’t think it is there anymore, as far as I know. It’s a lovely locomotive and it’s not something you see everyday.
They really do Lewis - a lovely design for sure! I'll have to look it up, find out where it is now! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrainsit is infact still at home on the SVR!
She’s been out today!
thanks for uploading, it helps me have fun while i have my new appliances for my teeth.
My pleasure mate - hope everything's going well for you!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Well done Sam , another cracking review. Thanks for all your work getting these vids online
Thanks so much Gordon, you're very kind!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A nice model of a rather important mid-line mixed traffic type. The numbers of Moguls built by BR speaks to their utility. Also, I have a Bachmann Ivatt 2mt TANK engine that weighs 340 grams. Sometimes Bachmann makes these things bricks - which they should do more often!
Thanks Manda - and I agree, we need more bricks!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I had a model of the preserved 42968 imported because I wanted it so much. I'm running it right now, in fact!
That's awesome - do you enjoy it!? :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
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I enjoy it quite a lot! At that point in time, it was my only British model, so I remember opening it up and being surprised at how the inside of the cab was painted; even my most expensive American models didn't have that!
What a ,,stanning" Stanier Mogul here! 😂❤️
hahaha! xD
Try again! Beautiful model Sam! I love these engines and it’s good to have a preserved example! I read the surviving examples overhaul is hoped to be finished next year and then the next overhaul will be 2025-2030 in order to have it operating for its 100th birthday!
Thanks a lot Ryno - ooh I didn't know this was the preserved one! :O
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
I bought one of these a while back.
I was taken by the look of it.
I replaced the coal load with real crushed coal. Very effective.h
I, fortunately, have had no issues with its running.
Great to hear that William - without the running issues this is a fantastic model, so you got a good'un there!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
This model looks so extravagant i might consider buying it but most likey not since im on a tight budget
Edit: also sorry im late
Thanks Nick - yes this one's lovely, well worth looking into it! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
This looks like a good model! Glad to see it has bearings instead of none at all. It's a shame that the faults let It down a bit.
I'm gonna be doin some more model railway stuff on my channel soon.
-Jack
Thanks Jack - yes that is fantastic to see! Looking forward to your videos! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Man I love these moguls, especially the 43xx. They always look so amazing, so simple.
I agree with you - it's a very elegant wheel configuration!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Nice model and well done for persevering with that mechanism Sam. (Think even at the discounted price though, I'd have sent it back!) Lovely to see your 'Jubilee' as well. Many thanks as always.
Thanks a lot Mike - yes it was a nuisance, but I bought it in January, so no chance of sending it back :/
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Nice review Sam! This Stanier mogul reminds me of the Black 5 due to it's shape. It also has the almost exact same power classification which is a 5P but the Stanier mogul is a 4F while the Black 5 is a 5F or 5MT. And when you mention about the wheel set being similar to the LMS Crab you're right it does look very similar to the LMS Crab locomotive. So this locomotive was probably from the Black 5 and the LMS Crab even though the Black 5 came out later than the Stanier Mogul did. :P
Me too mate - definitely very similar! Definitely looks like a mixture of crab and black 5! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great review Sam! Always thought this engine was a beauty imo. A shame it has a few problems though.
Yeah I agree - it certainly is a beauty, just let down by the problems!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Stanier 5MT’s 2-6-0
One of my fave LMS engines! I am also a member of the Stanier Mogul Preservation Society.
Great to hear that - how is the real thing looking these days??
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
That was the locomotive in tweety and Sylvester Christmas Mayham express.
haha realyl?!? :O
@@SamsTrains that locomotive reminds me of the engine in the polar express.
The Only preserved Stanier Mogul is 2968, it’s undergoing an overhaul at the moment and it lives at the Severn Valley Railway
Duly noted Adam, thanks for letting me know - I'd love to go and see it there one day! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Another great review Sam.....a lovely engine and the price is nice too. Might venture forth on this one 👍
Thanks very much mate - yes I can recommend it for the good price! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Just to let you know Sam, most people would prefer engines not to speed up suddenly as it reduces wear on the wheels, and also the motor. I reckon it's most likely because of a large brass flywheel, which also aids slow speed performance. My Hornby model of Tornado does the same and is fine after a fair few years. The play in the axles is usually to accommodate smaller radius curves, but it can be a pain if not done properly
That's not true with this one - no flywheel to my knowledge! I agree you don't want models to speed up suddenly, but you achieve that by careful controlling, not by having an underpowered motor! ;)
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yeah, but a flywheel does help. I agree the motor is underpowered though
Very good review, have seen the real sole surviving Mogul (2968) and am tempted to buy this loco (2965) with the intention to have it renumbered
Nice Deal, admittedly Moguls have grown on me I confess.
They are nice locomotives, good with freight & small passenger trains.
Very glad to hear that mate - they have with me too actually! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam'sTrains you are welcome my friend. very nice video
it's blyatiful comrade
and the glazing in the detail pack is for the second set of windows (the rear ones) it said so on the instructions
Duly noted Marie, thanks for letting me know! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Someone got hit by a Cross Country service today. ☹️. It cancelled the Skipton - Kings Cross train. So it had to terminate at Leeds.
Very sad to hear that - what happened?
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They probably committed suicide :(
Oh nice Stanier moguls don't get enough spotlight. These things are beautiful
I agree with that - would be nice to see mre of them! :D
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I have a bachmann 9f that never worked till I fiddled with the valve gear it slowed on corners and seized up all the time it was very much a pronounced version of what's going on hear. So if it seems to be struggling then I'd take another look at the valve gear. Also as for curve I find bachmann engine don't always go round the curves they say they do.
Sorry to hear that mate - I have had this before with Bachmann locos too - took me a while to get my Crab working properly too! Glad to hear you managed to get yours running though!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, I got my loco last year from The Model Centre in North Yorkshire for a little over £106 and it came perfect, no damages and a good runner, no hiccups on the mechanism, guess you were a bit unlucky.
That's a great price! Great to hear yours runs well too - perfect! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Now, the Stanier Mogul is quite unique. I like that. Very interesting.
Thanks Tomas - it certainly is! :D
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By the way, this model isn’t the preserved example. The preserved examples number is 42968
Duly noted Ryno, I wasn't sure whether it was!
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Even better 4 yrs on I’ve picked a secondhand one for £80 (looks like it was never run accessories bag is untouched). Purely bought as this was a gap in my Stanier collection. I’ve watched too many of your reviews, first thing I did was to check if the buffers where sprung.
That's a fine model Sam, interestingly, when I started modelling in the 1950's the best then available was HornbyDublo..later Wrenn and they were of all metal construction. However, they were very expensive, and something I longed for for many years. Triang introduced the Plastic molded bodies which were produced at a much reduced cost. So the relatively high price for these finely detailed models today, in real terms, is comparable with these top end models all those years ago. I don't quite understand why not having sprung buffers is an issue, as the cannot be used as such...we'll be looking for working brakes next...lol.....Bob
Thanks a lot Bob - oh yes, the Dublo stuff had a great reputation didn't it?! No sprung buffers isn't a problem at all - but I'd expect a much better price when features such as those are ommited!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Another great video done by you mate I really like this engine and as usual keep up the good work 👍🏻
Thanks a lot Paul - glad you liked the engine! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Yes I do like it and no problem :)
That looks nice you know it look like the black 5 it looks cool but an L.M.S On the tender on the back side of it this is my favorite enigne too!
Thanks Christopher - it really does look like a black 5! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Reason its £50 off is because Hattons are trying to shift their remaining Bachmann stock for cheap. Bachmann no longer supply Hattons due to a dispute over them making their own 66 to compete with the Bachmann model.
Once all the Bachmann stock is gone from Hattons it won't be restocked and no new Bachmann releases will be on Hattons.
I don't think that's why it's discounted though - most of their other Bachmann products are back at the RRP or close to it - which suggests that they're trying to maintain their stock!
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Hi Sam as a new enthusiast to the model rail sector just wanted to say how much I appreciate your model reviews, especially the rating system you have and how thorough, fair and objective you are. I feel that when the models are so relatively expensive in consideration to the number and variety available, it's critical to have a benchmark as a prospective purchaser to work from. Do you publish an up to date list of your ratings for reference purposes? Also you test pre DCC chip installation. In your opinion are the models better performers after chipping? The cynical part of me feels that manufacturers may seek to increase value in the product by deliberately not fitting chips wanting that secondary DCC chip market to increase overall profit. May it also increase their desire to fit less sophisticated motors/bearings etc as in, once fitted, the chip gives more satisfaction in the product performance? Would value your thoughts. Cheers.
Thanks very much for that mate, you're very kind - glad to hear these videos are of use to you! I'm working on having the ranking list publicly accessible from next year - it would be great! That may well be a possibility - but I'm sure Hornby and Bachmann (for example) are aware that their decoders aren't the best - so I'm certain they don't expect to turn a greater profit by not including them, since most would buy better decoders if forced to buy them separately. This year Hornby have been making DCC versions of most of their models, which do seem to sell well!
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I have this Loco it’s an absolute delight!
Glad to hear that! I'm pretty happy with mine too! :D
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Absolute beauty, love these things and the LMS, and it was posted on my birthday!
Happy birthday!
Awesome mate, and have a very happy birthday! :D
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I have digured out how to program certain things i will make more route videos soon now that i have built a speed test
That's awesome mate - can't wait to see!! :D
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You better watch out. This locomotive is gonna rumble through the tracks like a badass! :P
haha!! xD
I think you have been very lenient on this one Sam. That problem with with the jamming up and the damage on it would score quite a lot lower from me.
I know what you mean Philip - but I can't claim that this is representative of every model - though it may well be!
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@@SamsTrains I understand that Sam but you can only comment on that particular model. I would have returned it to the retailer.
That does seem like a nice model, though the mechanical problems are concerning.
Odd one out is the Patriot (or is it a Royal Scot?) in any case it's a Fowler design, not Stanier.
Thanks Patrick, that's very true! And very well spotted - that's correct! :D
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Imagine InterCity82 getting this locomotive. He'd be a bit disappointed with no sprung buffers since he loves his sprung buffers on his locomotives as well as opening smokebox doors. :P
haha yeah - I wouldn't blame him!
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looks like a black 5 with a missing set of wheels and a more old style tender
i love it
haha absolutely - looks great doesn't it?! :D
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This was an.... interesting review!
(Long time since I've said this on a review!!!!!)
haha thanks a lot King! :D
Great video again....To be honest I really warmed to this new loco.....warts n’ all ! Lol.....let’s just say its got character......enjoyable stuff £106 is not too bad either......the rrp is deffo over the top! .... cheers
Thanks a lot Chris - yes I admit I'm the same, can't help really enjoy this one! :D
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That engine reminds me of the engine in polar express.
My dean goods loco has a strange thing where ,when it goes backwards, the wheel on the loco of my tender driven train Jams and the tender starts dragging it. Then when I give the loco a little push it clicks and is on its way! Strange but I did get it second hand.
Hmm that is pretty strange - I wonder what's causing that?!
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Fantastic and interesting video, as usual👍
Thanks very much Tommaso! :D
Hi Sam can you do a race against the BR Black 5 and the Stanier Mogul
That would be epic James - I wonder which would win?!
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I’ve had that problem with West Country class locos. It’s a bastard. I’ve never really overcome it either as there’s not enough room and or too much flex on curves to allow enough clearance at each extreme and across all in-between positions. Such a let down. I did notice on yours when you shot it on the bench power supply, that the right middle wheel is quite distorted and that would give a moment of beyond its normal maximum flex. If your brave and can be bothered; you could carefully machine that true and i think it would really improve yours. Or change that axle if you have a correct one to replace it with. 😉
I did have that on a West Country too actually - quite a few of the 2001 era Hornby locos definitely have this problem! I'll double check the wheel - I didn't notice anything in person mind!
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great video liked Sam's trains :)
Thanks a lot mate! :D
Why is Henrietta still on your 2019 ranking list? I thought you removed her from the list since you didn't add Toad to the list since the ranking list is only for locomotives.
I think I must have made this video before I removed her - she's definitely not on there now!
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How many kinds of steam engines did Britain build there are so many!!??!
haha I honestly don't know - far too many to count!!
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Excellent review of the Bachmann LMS Stanier Mogul Sam 👍
It is a nice model to buy and see in action on both model or real life forms. 2968 on the Severn Valley Railway is going to be painted into LMS black livery and she will be in steam hopefully during next year.
It strange that this model of this loco is very expensive as I think it should be £139 instead because this model as you putted out on some of the details, but it never the less it is a good model.
However it unfortunate that the model has a three pole motor instead five pole which would make the loco a great performance, I think Bachmann should really use the same motor from the Hornby LMS Black Five.
Thanks a lot Joe - and for the info on the real one! I agree - £139 would be a much better price for something like this, with a retailer price of below £100! I think so too - Bachmann have no good reason to stop using their 3 pole motors - based on their replacement price, they're incredibly expensive and not that great!
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Stanier started learning that everything GW wasn't necessarily right. The engine as originally out shopped even had a GW coffee pot with combined safety valve and top feed cover. It was no better than the Crabs and many thought it inferior. He learned to increase the number of superheaters and provide domes. In my opinion this engine does not look as well balanced as the Black 5.
Duly noted Don, that's very interesting! Presumably he did things his own way after this?
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I will be extremely excited when Bachmann finally make a good model
haha me too - let's hope they get the chance! xD
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Looking at it closely, the Mogul looks like the 2MT tender engine chassis
haha yeah it does a bit, just a bit larger I guess!
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Just bought one in BR black from Hattons for $74 exc GST.
Hatton's appears to be *The Place* for model railway bargains!
They certainly have some good ones at the moment!! :D
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Or Rails of Sheffield
Also how do you get good deals on express coaches or rolling stock i wanted to buy some and well they were expensive 70 us dollars for 2 of them
Yes it's very tricky - ebay or train fairs is best for bargains! :D
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Hi Sam. I had a dumb question on the subject of pick-ups. I would think that as long as the loco runs reliably over points, it would be ideal to have as few pick-ups as it could get away with. After all, more than necessary is just more to clean and more wiring. I wouldn't know about how much it would reduce cost, but I feel that easier maintenance would be a nice advantage. So, I would like to ask, is there a serious advantage for having more pick-ups? I enjoy the content; keep it up.
Hi Trent - yes I think there is an advantage - the more pickups means less current passing through each wheel - less current means smaller sparks on the track, which results in less oxidation, which in turn results in cleaner wheels! It also guarantees the best continuity with the track! :D
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There seems to be a problem with the side rods. But you did a fantastic job fixing it! Are Bachmann diesels and electrics any good? I really like the Bachmann class 90s and I hope you can review one. :)
Thanks a lot Emma - I was really glad too! Yes the bachmann diesels have all been excellent in my experience! :D
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This is an amazing review Sam! Well done! 👍
Thanks Kameron! :D
nice train and another mogall to add to the collection hmm seems there's a patern here break vans and magals,
Thanks mate, yes indeed!! xD
Hi Sam .A £106 to me is a lot of money and I would expect this loco to perform properly these locos should be tested more vigorously. In my opinion I think £ 90 for this loco would be fair price then maybe I could except the sicky rod maybe .never the less good review though Sam very much appreciated .Tony PS send it back.
Yeah that is true - £106 is still a lot for a loco with performance issues! Glad you liked the review anyway,
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Pity sam, it is beautifully presented, I had the same problem with driving rods on my super detail black 5 amongst other things runs fine now, great review 👍
Thanks a lot mate, yeah a real pity - cheers!!
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Nice review as usual. The clicking valve gear is not a design flaw after all its a scaled down version of Stanier's design. I would go as far to say the model was mishandled at some point in the past possible when manufactured and the rods were bent in to each other at that point, especially as the other side was ok. My N gauge Flying Scotsman suffer a similar problem and I think it was caused when testing in the model shop. You say you don't like bending the parts like you did, try it on an N gauge loco, that is really nerve racking.
Hi Rob - but the valve gear isn't a scaled down version of Stanier's design - it's just designed to give that impression! It could well have been mishandled, you're right! Blimey, I'd really hate to try that with anything N gauge!
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Hey sam. Are you going to check out the new murphys models 121 class? I had an 071 class from murphys models and i was very pleased with it. I got rid of it only because i didnt have the time, money or space for model railways so i put everything in the attic. It was a great engine :D
I hadn't thought of it, but I will look into it now - thanks a lot for the tip! :D
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@@SamsTrains Your welcome sam! :D
Looks like a LMS 8F but as a 2-6-0 and with a Fowler tender.
haha yeah it does!! xD
This gives me black 5 vibes at the cab
haha me too Ben! xD
The GS64 (one of their American steam locomotives) had problems with rods catching each other, not surprised Bachmann didn’t fix this or do anything for that problem
Yeah it is strange - this isn't the first time I've seen a Bachmann loco suffer with that issue either - don't know why!!
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Never heard of this locomotive , so you’re better than me
haha yeah - these don't seem to get talked about too often!
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Nice video, nice loco! It's a shame about the build quality. Not a big fan of the black 5s me, I prefer the standard 5s. Still a nice engine. Well done great video Sam 👍
Thanks a lot George - yes I agree, a shame! The Standards are certainly super smart!
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I think the crank is ever so slightly too close to the connecting rod as well. This is especially odd from Bachmann since they make dents in their connecting rods on the older OO and the super-detailed N models to prevent that issue. Really a is shame.
Yes it does look pretty loose - I've seen this once or twice from Bachmann too - funnily enough I seem to remember my Crab doing exactly the same thing out of the box!
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I feel the same. That engine seems familiar, but I just can't put my finger on it. I prefer the LMS maroon
haha absolutely - and did Bachmann do a Maroon version?! :O
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If my video was to fast or not enought coding explaining this is what to do First go on to a route in build or quik drive mode or if prefered a self created new route build track or it or go into a route with a train go to world editor go to train/save symbol yes to save wait go to small speed gauge looking icon where the train save symbol was and program
Ooh sounds good mate, I'll be sure to give it a try - thanks a lot for doing that! :D
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I think you're very generous on your rankings! For what you described, it should have been well reduced on price. For the price you paid, I would have returned for a full refund.
Thanks Fred - I couldn't assume that every model would have this problem, just to be fair! If it had run better, it would have been brill! :D
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Just bought one after watching your review Sam, was a bit hesitant as Bachmann steamers have poor mechanisms but this one seems to have raised the bar a bit. Shame about the mediocre 3 pole motors Bachmann fit in every steam model and wish I could find a 5 pole replacement that would be a direct swap.
Thanks John -yours running okay then? Lovely models! :D
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@@SamsTrains , yes this is easily the best Bachmann steamer I own for a few reasons and your review was spot on! I haven't had any of the linkage problems you encountered thank goodness and it goes round 2nd radius curves with no problems. The mechanism seems to have greatly improved even from recent similar models like the J11 and the 4F that have bearings, tender pickups and a lot of diecast weight and it is so quiet I can't hear any gear or motor noise (my J11 is like yours e.g. DCC-fitted and sounds like a coffee grinder at all speeds). The slow runnning is the best of all my Bachmann steamers and even compares with the high-end Hornby models. So in a way for the first time this is a better all-rounder for me than say even the Hornby King Class or the Lord Nelson as it runs almost as well and is a lot more robust without bits dropping off when handling. I'm scared to even pickup my King Class as it is so plasticy and fragile so it doesn't get run (I too have a big circle of track on a wooden floor in a spare bedroom). If Bachmann could produce steamers to this standard for a good price then it would be a win-win so Hornby should take note and maybe stop making extremely fragile plasticky top-end models with great chassis but 'cheap' superficially pretty exteriors that I don't think will stand the test of time and repeated handling.
And thanks for the reviews and that you are unbiassed and fair - I won't now buy a model until you have reviewed it and given it the thumbs-up as they are just too expensive now to take a gamble on as it can take me months to save for a high-end model these days and it is getting tougher trying to justify the spend to the missus so I just tell her that Sam likes it so must be good!
I've had a somewhat similar experience with a Bachmann 2251 (Collett Goods), mine specifically has a very difficult time on 2nd radius curves, the front axle is absurdly stiff and the rods being done up too tight from the factory didn't help things either. Strange that some of the Bachmann USA Spectrum locos seem underpowered as well.
I wonder how Hattons manages these deals, though!
It seems quite common - I've seen it a few times myself, and I've seen several comments saying the same thing! I don't rate Bachmann to be honest with you - so many issues!!
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Amazing review! The Stanier Mogul is amazing!
Thanks very much Kathryn - glad you liked it! :D
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Another good review Sam, sadly though this Bachmann model for me still seems quite pricey, although it’s great that hattons sell it at £106. Is the bachmann branchline series the bachmann equivalent of Railroad by hornby? Keep up the awesome work sam!
Thanks a lot Chris - yeah I agree, it's a lot considering some of the less than impressive features! Nope - Branchline is their main British range, they're just often overpriced or not very good ;)
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hello sam i would agree with your ratings and i think the theme was tender engines from the LMS and when is the next live stream on and will you get a Bachmann diesel or Paxton and love the video from david
Thanks David, and very well spotted! That would be great - I'd love that! I'm starting live streams again next week - I'll post the dates soon! :D
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Well the Ivatt 2MT tender engine it's a LMS engine I think and the SDJR 7F
Oh yeah you're right - I forgot about the Ivatt!
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M,mmm, maybe worth it for the price you paid, bit worrying about the running problem you had initially though.
Yeah I agree Ian - not a nice issue to have at all!
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Can you run some tender engines like this with the front coupled to the wagons? Really would like to see that in a running session or something.
Yeah! I do try to set them up that way once in a while - good idea!
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Is the off side buffer slightly pointing upwards? Not convinced about this model. Rather a lot of faults for a very expensive model before discounting.
I'll have to check that Gareth - I'd be interested to see! Yes - it's easy to see why they were discounted!!
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Another interesting review, not sure on the mogul. Actually one question, do you think you'll review the Dean single? When Hatton's released the images, my expectations dropped at the sight of plastic tender wheels but maybe it may have an amazing mechanism like other railroad locos, but I'm on the fence
Thanks Barry! The Dean Single is an extremely old model that dates back to the 1970s, or possibly even 1960s - they're very attractive, but generally aren't the best performers - I will be reviewing one though! :D
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Do you know what the running number is of the Mogul that was preserved and where it is?
I couldn't tell you - but it's here in the comment section if you search! :D
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Nice Video Buddy
Thanks very much mate! :D
@@SamsTrains also, I've started my own Railway🙂 It's digital Though, So I can't run some Trains on it, DCC Digital, H0 scale👍🏻 Also... Just a Question: Can you do a review of Some trains from NMJ? I think you might like some of their models😏🙂
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Hi Sam, that seemed a bit disappointing and I know what you mean regarding once it's failed you wonder if you can trust it. The scratches to me were very poor indeed. Nice model over all but no real advance on something maybe 10 or more years old, does the motor get hot after she has had a good run?
Yeah I agree Mike - not impressive to say how new it is! I didn't notice any heat from the body, but the extra weight must be adding to the motor strain!
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Which LMS 2-6-0 did you like so far?
Ivatt Class 2MT
Stanier Mogul
Hughes Crab
Ivatt Class 4MT
For me I like the Stanier Mogul and the Hughes Crab! :)
Tricky! I think either the Ivatt or the Stanier Mogul for me! :D
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lucky in my country there is not even one hornby or bachmann product
Same here
Ahh sorry to hear that mate :(
Im looking for a mixed traffic steam loco but I'm not sure what to get (put on my Christmas list)
Ooh tricky - how about a crab? ?:D
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@@SamsTrains I'll try and find one. Cheers Sam.
Found one on Hattons let's hope I can get it.
Stanier Moguls are also known as baby black 5s
Ooh I didn't know that! :O
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I honestly think that this looks more like James’ basis then his actual basis
haha yeah maybe it does actually! ;D
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What is the most expensive model locomotive you have?
Probably the Wrenn West Country Class!
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You know Sam should have gone for a diesel when yet another steamer gets jammed, damaged or had a fault. Sam, you should have gone for a 70, 68, 73, 150, 153, 158 or 170. Or even a 450! There are so many nice diesels you could have purchased! I often find the diesels are more reliable and have better motors etc. Nice review though none the less!
Or a 90, 92 or 20. Or Bachmann 47 or a 57 or a 56. The list goes on.
haha this is true - we don't get that nonsense with the diesels! ;D
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nice design and color
Thanks Michael - I think so too! :D
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well thank for making the video