Opel / Vauxhall Corsa D 1.2 engine start-up noise rattle solved.
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2020
- Opel / Vauxhall Corsa D 1.2 engine start-up 3 seconds noise rattle solved.
This noise can have different causes, so be sure you have identified the correct cause, otherwise this solution might not help.
Oil filter housing valve replacement.
How oil filter housing works. - Авто та транспорт
Thank you for this post. You saved me from changing to new timing chain kit. God bless.
Excelente advice! Noise it's gone. You saved me a lot of money as I'm sure a repair shop would change half of the engine before. Thank you so much for posting this!
Hello bro , please share with us since im having the same issue , did you change both valves on oil housing ?
Good video - I think you've saved a lot of sleepless nights!
As added protection get slick fifty it lubricates and coats engine components, so keeps them safe on initial start up
Good video, going to check this also, i got the same had the chain replaced and still there was that noise with a cold start
Did you try this fix and did it work? 👍👍
Thank you for the video, It was very helpful
this is happening on my astra h. im gona try this. Thank you. i knew it was oil starvation causing the noise just didnt know where to look. hopefully this cures it.
Did you try
Been wondering about this ever since I bought my Corsa D.
I'm sure this is what's causing my noisy startups, thanks for figuring it out!
Did you attempt this fix and did it sort your issue?
Yes IT works. Noisy startup leads to chain failure
I noticed on my sons corsa that it would take a little longer to start engine & when it was started i let it idle for about 5mins then turned car off then started the car , it started instantly so i got the thought that maybe something was starving the system somehow .
It seems that when the car was warmer & the oil was hotter that it would start on point.
Im in the middle of putting new parts on his car so ill be having a look at that valve while im at it, im doing an oil service on it anyway so makes sense to check it . 😂
Good vid though 👍🏼 but kept having to pause every 5secs to see the typo’s .
Tbh i do prefer to hear the a spoken tutorial as its quicker to take the info in 😊
But good job tho 🤘🏼
The harder start has nothing to do with that valve, leave it alone. It is possible that the EGR does not close perfectly every time. If the engine has some miles, it is possible that the timing chain is stretched, and the camshafts are no longer perfectly synchronized. A small difference in synchronization can sometimes cause longer starts.
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God bless you
I had a really bad sound coming from my corsa starting up, it sounded like an oil starvation for .7 seconds on a cold start. It was coming up to 100k miles, so i changed the timing and gave it a service with new oil and filter and the sound went away on start up. I do recommend changing your oil more regularly, especially with the A12xer.
What’s the best oil to use? Mine was ok until I changed the oil now there’s a very short period the light stays on until the oil gets up to pressure
5w30 is the best. If you live in an area with hot summers you can use 0w40. I had very good results with Mobil 1 oils.
5w30 Dexos 2 on engines without turbo and the older opel cars. Newer ones have all different types of oil.
This is a normal sound in all these engines, it is because of no oil pressure on startup, the issue is more noticeable when the chain is worn, not so much when everything is new and tight, that valve isn't the problem, there is always going to be no oil pressure on startup for 1-3sec, the actual problem with these engines is that the timing chain tensioner is a very bad design, it has no ratchet mechanism in them so that on every startup the chain is loose and rattles it also causes the chain to flutter while running causing the chain to prematurely wear out, if there was a ratchet in them it would keep the chain tight until oil pressure builds up.
The only proper fix for these engines would be a redesigned tensioner with ratchet and maybe a wider thicker chain and guides, it is a shame no one has come up with any mod kits yet.
Best thing for these engines is to change the timing chain ,guides and sprockets every 30-40k miles, unfortunately it's the only thing that actually works.
It make sense what you are saying. The weird thing in my case is that the chain it is in a very good shape, I opened the cover and it is rock solid, can't move it even if I pull harder.
@@CorsaDForever thats the spring tension of the valve springs and tensioner sping combined, there is no one way check valve in the tensioner so when the engine is off the tension goes straight away.
If you turn the engine at the crankshaft you will notice the chain loosens and tightens at certain points, if there was a rachet in the tensioner it would stay tight all the time.
@@MrPlytiger you know your shit, great comments.
I have a 2015 1.3cdti combo van. Any advice to keep it running nicely? Just coming up to 100k on it
Thanks if so. 👍🏻
My Corsa D has 105K on the clock ... Sounds like a diesel for like 2 or 3 seconds, then goes back to normal. Sounds like I'm on borrowed time, then?..
Looks like when you pulled it out only the plastic part came out, the new ones come with metal base and looks like it separated from it when you pulled
Timing chain oil change with stop it for a few weeks but will return most of the Vauxhalls do this nothing to worry about
Interesting video - Thanks a lot :)
My Corsa D (1.2L, 59Kw - 80PS) has exactly the same sound on cold start - sometimes (especially in cold weather).
It is nearly impossible to find the valve in Germany - so i have to buy a new oil filter housing (around 100€ - original Opel) - to buy a used one is a bit to risky for me.
Hi there - short update:
New filter housing and new timing chain --> no more rattle noise ;)
@@ReSiDeNt_E why chain though?
@@Corsa15DT because idiot people always say the timing chain is bad, meanwhile the problem is much more simple.
Near the end of the video when you removed the last gasket , there was a part with a spring, what is it called? I bought the internal fittings and also the gasket that seperates the housing from the engine, but dont see that part (3:10 on video) ! Help ?
That plastic valve with the spring is a part of the case, you will not find it as a separate part. I don't know a code or a name to search for it.
Hi! Just a quick question. When you have leak of oil, coming from the oil filter housing which i think is the same designation as oil filter body, you need to replace the item completely or just the Seal? And is there many hours of labour envolved? Thank you for your Help!
To remove the filter body you need to remove the exhaust pipes. There are 2 bolts that you can't reach until you take off the exhaust. You will need exhaust gasket and filter body gasket.
@@CorsaDForever you said the exaust pipe and not the exaust manifold? And do you need to Change the oil and filter after the intervation? Thanks for the help!
@@Fabio-FerreiraSorry, I mean exhaust manifold.
Unrelated question: would you happen to know the size of the transmission drain plug crush washer? Thinking of a drain and refill, I looked everywhere and could not find even a hint, not even in the Vauxhall repair manual. its AF13 automatic transmission on 2007 corsa 1.4l
I don't know. I think it can be reused at least once or you can use any cooper washer that fits, but you will know that after you remove it.
its Aluminum seal ring 18x24x2 mm.
Do you know the Ford part number for the UK. I can not find the number for this valve that is NOT from USA
3C3Z6800A is the only part I know. If you cannot find it, try to buy a used oil filter case and extract the valve, I had luck with that.
Do you recommend to remove complete oil filter housing or you recommend to remove valve with filter housing mounted on engine? Please recommend. Many thanks
To remove the oil filter housing for Corsa D you have to remove first the exhaust/catalytic converter (there are 2 unreachable hidden nuts behind the edge of exhaust manifold). My original plan was to replace the entire filter housing, but I tried to avoid this, as the exhaust nuts are often difficult to remove. If you have a new filter housing, I recommend that you replace it completely. Sometimes when you try to remove only the valve, it may break.
@@CorsaDForever many thanks for fast response, but my plan is just to buy only new valve, so my plan is just remove valve. I hope that I won’t break it. You sait that valve from ford is straigth fit, with nu.: 3c3z6800a?
@@AljazK yes, that valve is for Corsa D above 2007. If you have the thin and long oil filter housing is ok, otherwise is not. The old valve pins may break when is removed, but don't worry, the pieces eventually will go in the oil sump, won't block anything. The new one it will fit easy, put some oil on it first and push it straight.
Hey friend at 0:02 you mention after several investigations you decided this was the problem. What things did you do first before deciding on this? I'm just not sure if mine is this issue or timing chain you and want to rule things out.
I removed the black top cover to see the chain. It was stretched with no play.
How do you determine the difference between long and short housing?
The code for the short one is 90 530 259 an for the long one is 55 560 748. Shearch those codes on google and see how they looks.
will it fit astra h 1.3 cdti i have low pressure oil light when idle just after a service
There is a valve in that oil case, but I'm not sure if it is exactly the same part.
If the oil level on a cold engine is 1 cm higher than the correct measurement on a hot engine after e.g. 20 minutes, does it indicate a damaged valve? When I touched it gently, it was so loose, should it be like that?
Normal that valve is not fix, it is quite loose.
@@CorsaDForever I am sure I have this valve damaged when I have such a swing on the dipstick?
1 cm is a little to much. If all the oil goes down the level shouldn't be higher than 5 mm. Maybe at the last oil change they put to much oil.
My oil filter housing is leaking from the cap. what could be the problem?
Try to tide it a bit more. If still leaking after, the rubber gasket might be damaged.
When I replaced my oil filter I noticed it was full of oil? Is that normal or do I have the same problem as you? Thanks
It's good if the filter is full of oil. No problem there.
Can you tell me please if that valve from FORD will fit the short oil filter housing ? thank you.
Sorry, couldn't find anything to fit the short housing.
@@CorsaDForever thank you
So did you had to replace hydraulic lifters as well?
No. They are good, no need for replacement.
what is the valve code for the short filter case? Or are they the same for short and long housing? Or could I install the long filter housing in place of the short? Any information is appreciated.
The short housing has a different valve. I couldn't find a code or a replacement yet. I also own a 2007 Corsa, short housing, with the same valve problem and still looking for a solution.
@@CorsaDForever i wonder if the housing could be upgraded to the long on on the 2007 make. As it was only installed on the early 2007 makes. Late 2007's have long filter. Plus the engine z14xep is the same on 2007-2011
@@okhascorpio you can remove the valve completely and just cover the hole. I'm thinking to do that. The only role of this valve is to drain the oil when you replace the filter. After that when you replace the filter you can use a rag to prevent spilling and doing a mess.
@@CorsaDForever good idea. I'll try to lengthen the springs inside to give it more pressure, if that doesn't work or I break the valve while removing it, then it could be worth trying capping the hole shut with a rubber grommet.
@@okhascorpio You can try to adjust the inner spring. The rubber has to be oil and petrol resistant. Or you can make a metal plug fitted with a rubber o-ring.
how do i know if i have the short or long filter housing?.
my dealer sells me a filter that is 106 mm long
and my car is a CHEVROLET AVEO hatchback (T300) 1.2 with the opel engine
They sold you the long one. The long one has a long and thin case, and the short one has a short and thick case.
@@CorsaDForever then i think i have the long one because the housing looks like the video, also the round drilled part in the casing down to the valve.
are 106mm long okay, i see filters from 103mm to 107mm sold for my car
The total length of the long one is approximately 106 mm, and the short one 88 mm. I like to use Bosch filters, they fit well.
@@CorsaDForever i used the bosch 106mm too. but for some reson it was stuck in the housing this time and looked like it was a bit compressed
Mine needs changing, do you have to remove manifold to get to some nuts please ?
If you want to change the filter housing for Corsa D, yes, you have to remove the exaust manifold.
When you take.the oil filter out, are you saying that because it's almost dry that is a bad thing after 36 hours? Was you expecting it to be dropping oil off the filter after.36 hours.or.somethimg?
Yes. It shouldn't be that dry.
@@CorsaDForever but wouldn't the oil after 36 hours have drained back into the oil pan.
@@evieemaya88 normally shouldn't drain that fast. Maybe after a week is acceptable, it will go slowly.
@@CorsaDForever thanks for this and when you remove it, are you simply just pulling on it and then to refit is just a push back in?
@@evieemaya88 you have to pull very carefully, most of the time is not pulling up in one piece.
Hi! I have a question. I have a problem with the late extinguishing of the oil pressure light after an overnight and even after a 2-hour standstill. Usually, the indicator light turns off after 4-5 seconds. Until it stalls, the engine runs louder. Could this valve have any effect on my problem? Thanks!
Hi there!
Yes, this valve can be the cause. But there may also be other reasons related to the oil pressure. First check with a manometer the oil pressure at engine start, idle and revved with the engine cold and after reaching the operating temperature.
Today I unscrewed the oil filter about 1.5 hours after turning off the hot engine. There was very little oil in the filter base chamber and the filter itself was practically dry. What does it mean? The valve is broken? How much oil should there be?
The valve no longer holds the oil properly, but if the engine sounds good after start is not a big issue. If you are worried about it, you can replace the valve.
@@CorsaDForever It is heard until the oil indicator light goes out and the engine is running louder. I had the entire timing kit replaced, tappets and the oil pump cleaned, along with checking its valve. The pressure was right. Therefore, I am looking for the cause of the late extinguishing of the light and a dry engine start.
The oil pan has been cleaned? The pick-tube may be clogged and not sucking the oil properly.
woooow that oil filter cap only needs to be hand tight
True, requiers only 24 Nm, but everytime when you remove it will not come off that easy :)
i have a 1.4 corsa, the engine sounds broken on startup. is this worth doing?
If the engine sound bad only for 3-4 seconds and after that is ok, don't bother. I did it judt because I was extremely curious.
Do you need to remove the exhaust manifold to remove the oil filter housing?
Yes.
Can you tell me the sizes of the spring in the bottom valve (the one where the seal is)? - mine is missing...
@@CorsaDForever the one at 3:20
Ok, sorry I was wrong, let me check and I will update the sizes.
@@CorsaDForever Thank you very much, i’ve just bought a used one and i realized that there is no spring, where could i get one?
@@tamasilles2951 This one has 15.8 mm in diameter, 24 mm height, 900 μ thickness 4 spirals. The diameter can be slightly smaller, but not bigger than that size. You cannot find it separately as a part, but you can use any spring that it fits. Do you have the rest of the valve, the plastic two pieces?
@@CorsaDForever Yes i’ve got them, only the spring is missing. Thank you for your help!
The worst that could happen, happened. pulled the valve out by hand just fine. When I went to reinstall, pushed the damn thing into the hole, All three prongs at the end broke off and fell into the hole. Guys! How much trouble am I in ?? Didn't start the engine out of fear. Let me know if it's safe to start???
If they are not stuck on the way, the pieces went directly into to the oil pan. Not a problem, don't worry they are quite big and will not going anywhere, won't hurt the engine. Next time when you will change the oil they might came out. You can start the engine and use the car.
Did it gave the motor any issues when it happened? Does the car stil run fine?
@@jeffsb010 No apparent issues. It still running fine. just have to be careful when installing a new filter, as the valve is no longer held in place by prongs.
My corsa is also making that sound but when the engine is warm, do you know what that could be? I have changed the timing chain two years ago and now that sound is back anly when the engine is warm. I see most of the people have the probleem when the engine is cold.
Most likely worn hydraulic lifters make that sound. When the engine is hot, the oil is thinner and not held by the lifters. There may also be low oil pressure, better check this first.
@@CorsaDForever thanks for the quick answer👍
@@1987liridon i have the same issue, did you solve the problem?
@@jeffsb010 No, not yet. It actually just getting worse. How about you, did you solve the problem?
@@CorsaDForeverI am getting now the oil pressure light on, I think the engine has not enough oil pressure. Is there anything I can do to fix the pils pressure.
Tra poco ci metto turbina 😉👍
Ti tengo d'occhio 👍
Infatti ho la stessa macchina!!L' unico limite sono le valvole che essendo idrauliche, non ho potuto mettere assi a camme massima preparazione!!!
Would servicing the car make it go away after changing the valve ?
It depends, that kind of noise may appear from a worn chain tensioner or worn hydraulic lifters. If those are in a good shape then the noise may go away if you replace the valve.
@@CorsaDForevergetting the timing chain replaced tomorrow ( tensioner pulleys ) hopefully that fixes this
If the tensioner is bad, you gonna fix that.
Very rarely is it this problem, its 99% the timing chain. There's no harm in checking the housing and cleaning it but it won't cure the start up rattle. This is due to the chain being worn combined with a weak tensioner. The only real cure for these engines both the 1.0, 1.2 and 1.4 is a new chain kit. They're not expensive and very easy to fit..
If its the timing chain you get the rattle most of the time and not just on start up. Id done my timing chain and tensioner and still had the noise on startup for 1-2 seconds, until replaced this valve.
@@friarbishmeI’m having this problem now and replaced my chain 5month ago
chain is an constant rattle. I've had this rattle and the chain is already replaced and the rattle was still there. Most of the time it's this. But it doesn't do much harm this little rattle.
@@OwkeejGamersyeh I’ve got the rattle. Would piss me off if I got the timing chain done and rattle still there though. Been quoted £450. Feels like dead money. Especially if the chain is still ok.
Probably need the lifters cleaning as well.
@@pataleno 450 for a timing chain? Thats cheap.
These are very problematic cars that are best avoided. On my Astra, the sound of the chain is heard, often at low revs, when starting and while driving. Opel/GM invented a gasket under the chain tensioner, but I find information that even after installing that gasket, the problem with the chain can often return. My question is, maybe the main problem is not in the gasket and chain tensioner, but in the oil pump that does not create strong enough pressure at low rpms. And can the pump be set to give higher pressure, since it is variable and dependent on rpm?
If you start to hear the chain, it means that it has started to stretch. In the meantime, I changed the timin chain and now there is total silence. It is true that the lubrication system is not the strong point of these engines. I heard that some would do some tricks and increase the pressure, but it didn't tempt me to try.
@@CorsaDForever I wonder how long will it drive in silence before you start to hear chain rattle once again. 1 year, 2 at best?
I do not know. I'm curious to find out.
The oil light would stay on till it built up pressure ,
Will this fix also the rattle noise of the chain in cold start?
Not sure, if the chain starts wearing you cannot stop the noise. If the noise disappear when is getting warm is still ok, not a big problem yet.
Will try it out,after coldstart it rattle for 2-3 sec then it stops and run fine . Ill order the valve , i will let u know the result
Thnx alot dude, the noise by mine corsa was mixed “chain and lifters” together screaming for oil, now i hear only the rattle of the chain,it is like less than 1 sec rattle its not really a big problem yet right? Again dude thanks for sharing your knowledge. U have from me a big like and subscription. Share more vids for the Corsa
Take care
@@dukiGe did u fix al of the noise eventually?
Could be the same in 1.4 astra h?
Yes, definitely it could be.
Alguien sabe la referencia para comprar el kit de esas valvulas? Es para Corsa D 1.2 16v
Mira el final del vídeo, es el único código que encontrarás. Normalmente la pieza no viene separada, es parte del cuerpo del filtro.
@@CorsaDForever ok. Gracias. Mi válvula interior, la que va debajo del filtro, la veo muy separada y suelta. Tengo baja presión de aceite cuando el motor está caliente y a ralentí, cuando aceleró desaparece la baja presión. Puede que sea por culpa de esa válvula?
@@dancarras1979
Did you find a solution???
Did you solved the problem???
Could it be the oil filter on the corsa c because there's no valve like that one?
No, if the oil filter is replaced with every oil change. Maybe the oil pan is dirty and the oil is not sucked properly.
What is the part number on the part?
The code is written at the end of the video.
Do you need to drain the oil before you do this or ?
No need.
@@CorsaDForever i replaced the valve but it still makes that noise but not as long
@@MadSniper553 could be a weak timing chain tensioner, but after is filling with oil is working properly.
Where to get the parts? I can find them but it seems only sneaky chinese sellers have them. Aren't these available from the known Aftermarket Brands? Would rather spend a few bucks more than to Trust the Chinese parts for 2.50 bucks. Just can't find These parts anywhere except from the chinese.
Hard to find a new one. Recently I replace the timing chain an tensioner and now there is no more noise. If you have around or more than 150.000 km the chain tensioner might be the problem.
I don't think I has this issue. When I replaced the oil filter there was plenty of oil inside. Also after start I wait one minute for rpm to drop and for oil to fill the engine.
The oil should fill the engine more quickly, around 5 seconds. Do you use a thicker oil?
@@CorsaDForever I only use Dexos2. In every car I drove for the first minute the rpm when it's cold are higher about 1100 and drops to around 900 after a minute.
All Opel iş shit , dont buy guys
How do I know if I have the long or short filter house? Corsa 1.2 2005 VIN: W0L0XCF6856096107
2005 sould be the short one. Mine is the long version, compare what you have with the one in the video and if it differs, it means it is the short one. At the lid you immediately see the difference.
So for the short ones the valve from ford won't fit ?? Thank you.