Unifi Home Network Upgrade - Why I finally switched
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
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0:00 Intro
1:13 Hardware
7:01 Hardware Setup
9:04 My Network Setup
18:53 Conclusion - Наука та технологія
When I found out about Ubiquiti I was sold and all these thoughts came to mind, started watching few videos of other home setups and decided to buy and install new rack, ran cables for cameras, bought the UDM Pro a 24 PoE switch, 3 APs and few cameras. About $3000 later and convincing my wife not to divorce me I can say that I'm pretty happy, we have solid connectivity all around the house, I host my own surveillance videos and the system pretty much runs itself.
Until they start dying from inadequate cooling, especially the switches
@@psytcp You don't need to worry about that, I am really happy and I read a lot and many professionals use them for their own homes and even small businesses. I had an HP switch and it was way too loud. Everything fails at some point, you just deal with it as it comes.
@@ecu8r I'm not worried at all. I'm making money from repairing all the broken unifi devices and then sell them again to the fans. I guess some people are happy that their device only lasts 2-3 years and then dump it in the landfill and increase waste. Ubiquiti is good at making devices silent as they put fans that don't really turn on so that they reduce the life expectancy of their devices. Time will tell.
@@psytcpso what’s the best brand you would recommend
@@psytcpCrickets?
Really glad you're down to earth and honest about your level of knowledge on the stuff you do videos on.
I setup Unifi in my town home and a full system in my parents new home, added the ability for me to manage it for them. It's really cool, and I can help them troubleshoot much easier while being hundreds of miles away. I'm looking to upgrade once I buy my own home. Keeping making awesome videos
Welcome to Unifi. I use a pfSense router with Unifi switches and AP. Great setup.
So far so good!
Appreciate the honest position and "just enough tech". Your explanations of the reasons are relatable, your artistic choice to focus on the unique deltas between what you have and what is common in youtube is a good approach.
I think its amusing on some levels to have a networking backend like you show with the number of devices you have... but that's another story. But its not a negative, its just the nature of an enthusiast over a minimalist. And comments about "optimization" I think are interesting (either money {you can get x more if you did y, or performance ).Sometimes you buy a car because you just need to transport, sometimes you buy it because it cheap, other times you have a luxury to try something new. These are personal choices, all with pros and cons.
I hit a tipping point at home were the number of devices and the usage caused me grief using google wifi (having to restart the device regularly), the locked eco-system didn't allow me to easily put pfsense in front (ended up with a double NAT). So I debate the path to some increased stability and I favor simplicity over many other items these days..
I do hope ubiquity gives you some product to allow you to compare a UDM Pro to pfsense, but I fear that will never happen until they have better feature parity. I suspect you will see nothing but things you miss, or logical issues with their implementation. These gaps are usually "ok" for a typical situations, but its hard to lose features you are used to.
Refreshing to see a slightly unconventional setup, most tech UA-camrs will go straight to a UDM Pro, a bunch of top end UAP devices and the most expensive Unifi switch they can get. This is much more reminiscent of prosumer setups some of us have at home and I'll be keeping an eye out for more of your videos.
Keep up the good work 👍
I started using them 7 years ago.. I ended up taking their Unifi University courses. As a client wanted only their products. As he had enough of Cisco Systems....Was I in for a surprise. As the cost was 10x cheaper then Cisco Systems...
I now have several clients that this is all I used. As The Cloud Key allows me to login from anywhere. To perform maintenance and troubleshooting.
You can also down load your home layout. Then place each each product in the place you have it. Then use the Icon matching for the devices you are using....
And be real careful what you update. It can bring headaches. If you're not ready.. Especially the router and any repeaters installed.
Main reason why I virtualize network "appliances" is because having 3 Proxmox nodes (for example) + Ceph with dedicated links between them, leaves me huge room for "expanding" the resources of each VM/container, less power consumption, cables, general use of space and a Cloud Key could fail, but 3 nodes at the same time is pretty difficult.
Happy little succulents! Nice design touch ;D
I'm just making the switch myself, completely new to ubiquiti. I got the dream machine pro se and the 24 enterprise XE. Move the Internet in to the outhouse and using devolo homeplug to carry 1Gig into the house as it on the same mains ring. Will eventually turn of the Wi-Fi on the devolo AP and use PoE injector and ubiquiti AP for Wi-Fi in the house. Still a work in progress as need to configure current draytek router configuration into the dream machine. Crazy fun headaches
That software is absolutely DOPE! 🤯
I switchef to Aruba instant on it has a cloud controller by standard and automatic firmware upgrade, you can choose wether you configure your switch locally or in the cloud. It supports stacking depending on switch series. Ap22 is a great device.
Welcome to UniFi family you will love it and Pfsense choice is great and work well with UniFi I have same pfsense router but small one sg 1100
All solid choices, as long as you don't use unifi firewalls (which are hot garbage) you are golden
Like the new studio!
Cool video! I'm planning to set something up also with those two Enterprise switches.
But on the Wifi-side. Please do yourself and others a favour and set the 2.4GHz band to 20MHz. 40MHz is always overlapping something. And don't go crazy on the 5GHz also. 40MHz is great in most cases. Only 80MHz when you have the "air" space.
Chris from CrossTalk solutions has good videos on Unifi, if you want to get more out of the ecosystem.
Got mine setup through his vods :)
We moved in our house this year and the long term plan is getting into the Unifi eco system. My biggest problem with that is availability with neither the 24 port switch nor the Dream Machine being available here.
For the switch flex XG, just plug it into USB-C and use the 1Gbit PoE uplink as a downlink for something like a raspberry pi.
The 10G really adds up. I bought a small Flex switch for my homelab and thought that switch, coupled with another 5 port 1G switch I had would be enough. It wasn't. I think this is pretty normal, R730 server 4 x 10G, 2 Supermicro NAS servers 4 x 10G x 2 = 8 10G ports,, rack mount PC x 2 10G, Mac Studio 1 x 10G, kids PCs 2 x 10G, uplink to main network 1 x 10G, trunk to Flex 1 x 10G. Totaled 19 10G ports for not really anything crazy.
Nice video if I ever get the chance to run cables in my home I need a minimum 12 port Poe in the attic and then just a small 8 port would be nice on the main floor with fiber running from attic to main floor with a back up fiber then I can have 4 ports each bedroom and 4 for outdoor cameras I also have the udr installed at the moment and loving it just waiting to order one for my mother
Nice setup for the home/prosumer stuff. Is your Long range AP on the ceiling there located in the basement? and can you obtain a good connection to it from outside your doors say to the driveway or upstairs of the home? Thanks for posting.
I like the look of the Cisco CBS range
Hey just FYI a lot of people have annotations turned off, if you want to link to something please add it to your description. it's fun to watch youtubers point to empty space though :D
That 1Gb port on the Flex XG doesn't need to be your uplink, use it only as poe input. Run another cable to one of the other ports for your link to the rest of the network at 10Gb
Yeah thats what I was getting at when I said I could get a SFP+ adapter and run a cat6 Enterprise 24 PoE to the Flex XG.
This is a pretty decent setup.
Unfortunately, due to me still having one D-Link switch that I haven't change to Unifi yet, my Topology map is broken and doesn't actually work at all. I have plans to replace the old D-Link though :)
With my setup, I setup a separate WiFI network for my IoT wireless devices. Even now, I find a lot of them need 2.4GHz only, so it is easier than turning the 5GHz off every time I need to connect one. It also let me create a VLAN for IoT devices to limit their access to things and provide more security for the network.
I find the Long Range access points are often limited by the end devices for range as things like your mobile phones or tablets don't have the power to talk back to the AP. I went for U6-Pro's because I can actually get them here in Australia :).
The thing I miss is the Unifi Security Gateway. They just don't seem to have a replacement for this, so I am using PFSense as well for the gateway. IF Unifi could do a new version of the USG, I'd probably end up going to that, but I can't justify the pricing of their current offerings.
One note on the Flex mini switches. They are great for behind a TV or something, but they do lack the VLAN and other configuration options that other switches have
Thanks!
I just got a deco x55 and it’s perfect for the average person
@RaidOwl I had issues adopting my usw-mini too and am also running pfsense as my firewall. i found that adding dhcp option 43 with the hex value of my virtualized unifi controller's ip did the trick for me. Did you use the usw-enterprise-8-poe as 'n layer 3 switch? Watching this video as I'm considering making that the core of my humble home lab.
Get a SFP to 10G module. It helps for the 10g 5 port switch
as an IT tech, my ocd went a little crazy when I saw his network tree and how none of this follows any semblance of industry standards. but its his network and sure works for his needs.
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COOL 😎 setup . I want a negate 6100
Welcome to the UniFi community!
Be careful with your setup, ours is north of $10K. It covers the whole farm and one remote location along with a unifi protect system. Great system, if recommend the usg pro if you ever come across one.
If you want the wifi6 inwall, they have been releasing them every Thursday at 4:11 am PST. Only real problem I have had is that they only let you buy 2, I need two more.
Well I need exactly 2 so thats perfect
I've found the U6 Pro to have better range then the LR. The LR also doesn't do WiFi 6 on 2.4ghz, only WiFi 4 (802.11n)
I would have physically put stuff in other areas but i don't know how much physical room he has where and how many ports he had left on the 24 port switch to put maybe put the cloud device.
I just got 10gb internet at home. And I am working on upgrade my network. ( trying to use SFP+ ‘cuz it has less heat )
Have you considered MikroTek? They have more hybrid router and switch.
Isn’t it easier for you to solve your use cases?
I’m a fan of UniFi APs and the Flex Mini switches are a great value. I’m less excited with their routers/firewalls and their other switch products.
if your pf sense ip adress is 10.0.0.1 and its dhcp is handing out addresses on the 10.0.0.x network you should configure your unifi default network to match. Its not very intuitive because unifi hopes / prefers you are using one of their edge/router devices as these settings only apply to those devices. Unselect auto scale network and enter your gateway of 10.0.0.1 set dhcp mode to none or leave relay settings though it really has no effect as the cloud key gen2 won't hand out addresses either way.
If you don't have a Unifi firewall, any network settings you change on your "default" network in the controller will actually have no effect at all. You don't need to change the subnet or any settings in there as they won't actually do anything anyway.
I didn't think so but I didn't want to end up with some funky stuff from my pfSense router due to mismatched subnets lol
This is correct. I run UniFi controller on an Ubuntu Server vm. My mgmt native vlan is not 1. So on the uplink port in my case just have your native untagged to whatever it is in your setup and tag the clams in the trunk you want to pass on to a unified switch. On the UniFi switch just leave default untagged. It will display as native vlan 1 on UniFi but will actually be whatever your untagged is on your uplinks.
1. Can confirm inwall 6 exists - I have both of them ;) 2. Tip: enable fast roaming if all your devices are relatively newish (I've had issues with a Roomba and teslas even though they're newish)
lol I'ma see them in stock one day...maybe
I have fast roaming on all my clients. As they can walk around and it will automatically transfer them to the closest Access Point. They have no idea that were moved. It's that seamless.....
@@WizzRacing it works really well as long as all your clients have up to date wireless chips
Welcome to the unifi system club :D
I sadly had to go for one Microtik router cause it is hard to find any 10Gbit switch in stock for ubiquiti
Do all acess points have the same ssid or do you need to switch from client while roaming?
i came here after watching your other home network video and i am exactly like 0:11 this right now what should i do which should i do i really like your other network that videos is from 2 years ago......
Have you considered the 10Gbs aggregate switch from Ubiquiti for your 10gig devices? The price is really good but you do need SFP to RJ45 adapters. However, for the price and unifi management plus the number of ports, it seems like a great option for 10Gig
If I ever get more 10G devices then I'll have to figure something out, but for now I'm good.
@@RaidOwl JC makes a great point. Instead of the Switch Flex XG, I got the 10G SFP+ Aggregate so I do not have to worry about 1 GbE uplink (RE: ua-cam.com/video/wi_geRfabAs/v-deo.html). In my mind and experience, it is a much better option interms of cost/value, flexibility, and future-proof.
@@abb0tt yeah that could be a future option...I guess one of those with some sfp to rj45 adapters would be pretty solid
Watching this again a year later One thing I didn't ask in my original post a year ago. Why did you go for the Cloud Key 2 Plus over the Cloud Key 2? Unless you are running Protect or one of the other apps that need the hard drive, the Plus is not really worth while. That said, I can understand if stock was an issue :).
I will never use UniFi for routing or switching. Can tell you how many issues we have had as an ISP deploying UniFi systems with APs in complexes and just completely lock up 2 or 3 times a month. Swapped to juniper switches and haven’t had to go back since we swapped 8 months ago.
why didn't you get the 10 gig aggregation switch? it's cheaper initially than the 10 gig switch you got
No idea why the YT algorithm found your channel for me but enjoyed the home gamer setup.
Have done Unifi professionally for a long long time now. You stumbled into a good config. The Dream Machine is much buggier than the cloud key and the key is a solid little gadget vs running their software in a VM.
Your story of having to patch up to find things that are newer made me chuckle. That’s a taste of Unifi software culture. They aren’t very professional about software releases. They certainly don’t behave like any “enterprise” quality network gear. Slap things out, barely tested. They’ll never change.
That’s the one warning. If you decide a MUST patch scenario or security fix is critical, wait as long as you can and read read read forums and watch for those experiencing inevitable pain. Ha. Once you decide to pull the trigger do not even think about being off site doing it or that it might not turn into a multi hour mess. 1/4 times it will. Haha.
As far as “cool features” the AP tuning for power and coverage is incredible for dealing with 100 machines and mobile toys all behaving differently as to what they like to see from the APs but honestly it will never be a big need in a typical home. Stuff like letting the cloud key auto update things… don’t. It’ll work for a long time then blow up at the worst possible time. Do updates manually.
Other than the software release weakness when they work and are left alone they work REALLY well. If they didn’t we’d have chucked them long ago. We have many in service almost a decade after choosing them. Price point is good and they’re only a minor annoyance. Ha.
Have fun. Nice setup. I’ve been too lazy to upgrade my house to them or something else but fiber 2 Gigabit supposedly shows up here next month so I’d better start thinking about a network re-vamp. Cheers!!
So having read what you have to say,will you use unifi gear for your network upgrade and if not what would you use?
Where are the product links for items within THIS video?!
Stability. I had a Unifi network at home that worked well for about 6 months and then nothing but trouble. After 2 months of issues, ripped it out and put back my Cisco SG200/300 managed switched and all was fine. Two of my other friends also also yanked out the Unifi and went back to their Netgear equipment. We were not newbies, had done networking for many years. There were a few things I really liked about the Unifi, but not being stable. You could not pay me and give free Unifi gear to replace my current working network equipment. My 2 cents.
I dont like Ubiquiti APs because even their highest end models only have 1GbE ports. We have been using MikroTik gear for years and all have been working perfectly
Great video (as usual)! Your previous videos had inspired me to build my own *overpowered* home network, though I went with TP-Link Omada. Can you discuss why you chose one over the other?
Thanks! I went with Unifi mostly because I’ve heard good things about it and I’ve never used it myself. I figured what better way to try than to dive right in. I still think Omada is a better option for most people.
So you went from Tp-link omada to Unifi?
I don't see any knock with it.. since cloud key is older.. xg switch is newer. Basic it 101 is upgrade to latest firmware version especially on the "brain" of the system. Great video but I have a hard time taking your issues with unifi when it's user error. That being said you have a new sub
I understand the issue was on me, I just wanted it to be more intuitive to update the OS when firmware updates are failing. No system is perfect so I’d be silly not to have SOME constructive criticism 🙂.
Can you provide a set for my demonstration video.....
Good day, would you be open to assisting me with setting up and securing my network? Also please advise how much or how to remit payment for your services. Thank you in advance.
Any knowlege of Unifi Ubiquity vs TP Link Omada networks and hardware. I hear TP LInk is less expensive as there is multiple resellers vs Unifi is only sold by the company
Omada gear is definitely cheaper. Unifi is a more expansive ecosystem with their Protect line and more polished UI but yeah you def pay a premium for it. For most people I’d recommend Omada.
i bought a bunch of stuff during covid for my house and it would never connect, been sitting on a shelf ever since. customer service is peer based
Where did you get those ~white transparent patch cables ? those next to fiber at 1:45
Amazon - They're Monoprice Cat6a SlimRun patch cables.
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@@RaidOwl thanks bro
No wifi 6E???
What am i missing here? the 10gbe mini switch in the rack.. youre connect to the main switch through 1gbe (since yo dont have SFP+ and all of that)..alright but the main switch has 12x 2,5gbe ports.. why not connect it to one of those? sure its not 10gbe but is stil 2,5 times faster than 1gbe
aaah, because of the limited 1gbe POE+ input port... still would have changed it to wall power and used one of the 10gbe ports to get a 2,5gbe uplink if i didnt need all 10gbe ports..
at 5:18 I thought my cats were fighting again
Ahhh my eyes are burning from not having dark mode on.
lol WAKE TF UP!!
They didn't have what I wanted so I bought what I didn't want for a higher price. LOL. A car sales person would love to speak to you.
lol for real
Why did you go with unifi cost when tplink omada provided what you covered for half the cost?
Omada is more cost efficient but right now they are lacking in the 2.5G Switch department which is a main feature I wanted to have. For most people I'd prob still recommend to check out Omada first.
When other UA-cam people wear LTT shirts
They are honestly just really high quality shirts lol
How did you get wan to the pfsense in the garage?
Just ran a cat6 with the fiber
Stupid question but what value do the 2.5 GbE Ports on the Switch provide you with Cat 5e cables?
Cat 5e is fine for 2.5G
@@RaidOwl ok, I thought Cat 5e could only do 1 GbE but I guess thats just the minimum then. Ty
Would you recommend Unifi over Omada?
Depends. I’d say Omada is probably the better choice for most people due to its price point but Unifi is great if you’re a networking nerd. Honestly it comes down to what your use case is.
do you have to pay a monthly fee to Unifi to get your cloud access?
no sir
Hello. And now which is the better system, OMADA or UNIFI?
Unifi is more polished, Omada is a better value.
Ok, thanks.
Why do you need all of this 2.5g/10g stuff when you only have cat5e?
Cat5e will work with 10g
So you got a dozen switches.
Very nice. I really like the setup except for the router.
Have you read about Pfsense\Netgate and the garbage company they are? Terrible ethics, you might look into it a bit more, decide for yourself. Maybe you'd wind up just building your own OPNSense router or buying something better. They are absolutely terrible.
Great video. Welcome to the dark side 😈
Tip: follow this guy's channel as well as Crosstalk Solutions and Lawrence Systems. These 3 have the best UI info, for me at least...
Where ubiquiti cannot meet consumer demand is a feature rich router and the lack of core switch capabilities even at l3 is underwhelming. Very disappointing imo, but i am the exception. I run all unifi kit for internal networking and my core is a FS l3 switch and pfsense to handle 4 wan links.
Nowadays price and availability on risk
Now to what the entire world wants to know: Did you updated Chrome? 🤝
Lol yes I have
Bother fix the Clint’s pic
2:08 all excuses 😂 you simply don't have infinite money 😂😂
lol this is true
I have no single explanation why in the world someone would want to build everything on ubiquity unless you have tons of money? I saw full ubiquity deployment in one crazy truck office. It was a whole rack of ubiquity switches. Ubiquity access points are great and controller management is also making sense to use this product. I have some questions about DFS frequencies, but let's leave it for now. If you open ebay, - there are plenty of used gigabit switches for cheap. You can find even those with 10G ports. You can get old switches from ExtremeNetworks with also 10Gb ports. Why would you want in the world to buy new ubiquity switches instead? Security? I doubt it much. Any VM on any host with linux or specific firewall product will make all the work happen. Ubiquity is trying to push their business as high as possible. But I'm sorry, - security and switches is not your great side, Ubiquity. Please, concentrate on developing wireless products and make it easy to integrate with 3rd party hardware. There are literally millions of switches on ebay and routers as well waiting to be reused. Do it!
I mean...the whole appeal of the Unifi lineup isn't that its going to increase the speed or efficiency of your network. It's mainly about how easy it is to manage and implement different features sets. There is also a ton of data that right at your finger tips and easy to interact with. There are plenty of examples out there but I do agree with you that it is a lot of money and that you can get similar performance from other 3rd party hardware.
@@RaidOwl I love those words as "efficiency" :-). Just one more story I heard from those who "believed" in ubiquity switches. One integrator installed them somewhere for simplicity management. And guess what? All of those switches area dead They are cheaply made unfortunately and there are plenty of glitches. This is also the main concern about them, - cause they are not surviving US electricity outages without heavy-duty online UPSes. I am just not seeing how Ubiquity can improve them. I with Ubiquity to concentrate on wifi. Wifi is pretty great for home and small offices deployments. But Aruba recently it taking over that market. Slowly, - but it is happening.
@@RaidOwl one more thing about ubiquity controllers. they are dying from time to time for no reason. and I am not able to restore the configuration from backup. This simply just is not working. I needed to reflash a couple of sites and build configuration from scratch. That's why ubiquity can take advantage of "cloud" configurations and store it there and restore whenever you need it on any hardware. But they are not doing it. For some reason.
sell out bro
Church
Yup you just spent money to spend money. You definitely did not need all that stuff the dream machine in the garage and a fiber link to a switch in the bedroom would have been fine.
Correct
UNIFI IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME! You have to use their server and if it doesn't work you are screwed. If you don't have the right Java or if it conflicts with something It just doesn't work. And they have had this problem for over 10 years! SAD! Where would Apple be if they put out such crap!
Just run it in docker. No issues with conflicts there. And if it was apple, there wouldn’t be the option to self host the controller.
Been running UniFi controller on Ubuntu server for many years now supporting multiple sites. No issues.
I'll put my name in the hat for the pile of old(useless/obsolete) networking gear that I'm sure your wife wants you to pitch 😜
Congratulations: All your personal data and your entire file structure are now the property of Ubiquiti...
6:22 6:23 6:25
Are you still in the Houston area? If so how does your gear hold up in the garage with this Texas heat? 🫠
Great with the dedicated air conditioning haha