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8x10 Photography - A Challenging Shot
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2019
- Finally I had the right conditions to photograph an old boat, dull and overcast with no wind but on arrival at the location the boat had vanished!
Undaunted I surveyed the other wrecks and eventually picked a composition that offered a lot but was technically challenging to capture with the 8x10 camera.
See the full size image here:
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Equipment Used:
Intrepid 8x10 Mk1
Fujinon 240mm a f/9
Ilford HP5+
Velbon Rexi L tripod
Sekonic L-508 Lightmeter
Kodak HC-110 developer
Osprey Talon 44l backpack
Vlogging Equipment:
Panasonic G80 with 12-32 lens
Incidental Music by Epidemic Sound:
At Last (scaled down version)
Good work Steve and challenging conditions indeed. I'm not sure I would have even got my camera out, but you've shown that with the correct vision there are shots to be had. Always interesting to see you at work.
Thanks Julian.
Steve - Wow, excellent image and worth the mud! This is the first of your videos I have seen with you using an 8x10. Time to catch up with more of them. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you liked it David.
Beautiful Shot Steve.
Interesting composition - the little stream of water leading to the derelict boat. I like it! As a sailor, there's something so sad about boats like this and you captured it wonderfully.
Thanks Larry.
Really nice photo. Well worth the effort.
Beautiful composition
Really like that image. By not trying to include the whole boat you have given the observer a context that encourages the imagination to complete the scene. To put their own story into the image. Very nice.
Every vlog an education in true photography! Steve. Always look forward to your vlogs.
Thanks Grumpy Jim 🙂
O wow, i didn’t see that framing coming at the end. Nice effort!!
Love the location .... surely with the soft mud there musst be a lot of camera movement whilst setting up and loading film so 10/10 for getting a great image.
Thanks Malcolm. It is very muddy there but once the tripod has sat for a minute or so it is very stable.
Nice framing, it makes me want to get my 4x5 out of the garage and purchase some film.
Stunning image!
Thanks Koen.
That boat has so much character, and I really like the composition you went with. I know the exact struggles with DOF and losing the midground, but in this case, I think it also helps to simplify the photo a bit, and it really lets those foreground grasses pop.
Thanks Ben, the top of the frame is dropping out of focus too but I don’t think it detracts for the image. I reckon I could have got it all sharp with 4x5.
I would never do this type of photography but I do enjoy watching. 🙂📷
Fascinating vlog again Steve. A very insightful view into film photography. Top drawer 👍🏻
Thanks Gary.
Steve, thanks again for showing us your work and how you created it. I see what you mean about the challenge of excluding an unwanted background. And I agree with your framing choice. True, not all of the boat is visible in your composition; I find that adds to my viewing involvement in the print. My imagination tries to fill in the remainder of the boat and that’s more engaging than handing it all to me on a platter.
I hadn’t thought about that philosophy of composition and it’s a good one.
More of your work is something I’m keen to see this year. Good luck.
Thanks Larry. I am very conscious of avoiding large bright areas around the edge of an image as they tend to lead your eye out of the scene. It is possible to contain it using a black border but this has to be used sparingly or it will become a crutch for weak compositions.
A great image Steve and a strong composition too. I love how the 8x10 camera slows you down to truly create a photograph in a much more tactile way.
Thanks Simon, each shot on the 8x10 feels special somehow.
You have great knowledge on all photographic formats and your vlogs are brilliant, we learn so much, and what an lovely image, I often photograph in this situation with the decaying boats, but I thought your composition was stunning, and one I will remember, regards.
Thanks Colin
Great title for the shot Steve. You certainly produced a lovely image in diverse conditions. The final product did exactly as intended by eliminating the unwanted and emphasizing the subject. Wishing you a pleasant week ahead. Cheers from Canada...
Thanks Wayne.
Beautiful image Steve. Yes lets see some more 8x10 work.
The part where you set up the camera to music was theraputic! sutch a good athmosphere in this vid. Nice image too 👌🏼
Thanks Sondre.
Great image and interesting location. I know these videos take enormous time and effort but I for one do miss starting every Sunday morning with one of your adventures. Thanks again for making them.
Thanks Frank.
Wonderful images - always loved the romance of and reminiscence in old sailing craft...👏
(Thanks to Robin Whaley for pointing me to your work 🙏)
That is a lovely shot Steve.
Lovely. Just lovely. I did initially think the footprints might detract/spoil it but actually they add to the sense of desolation.
Thanks Marc.
Another successful image - there's something about old boats! You carefully explained the focus plane problems you encountered but you have turned a problem into an advantage. The mud doesn't need to be terribly sharp because the boat will always be the centre of attention, and the foreground grass gives the image a sense of scale but no one wants to study the surface of a patch mud unless tracking some unfortunate wader with a view to lunch...
Are the footprints your own work? Very brave of somebody!
Thanks David and the footprints certainly aren’t mine. The plane of focus was quite shallow even with the small aperture and the top of the boat gets gradually softer but I can live with it as that area is burned down and of lesser interest.
Love the detail you captured in that image and I do love the 8x10 images as a whole but I also really enjoy your work with the Bronica. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Tony.
Oh, I don't know. A dab of caulk, a spot of paint, and the old boat's got yet more life in it!
(Great video and image--as always!)
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I do like your work so much!Thank you for sharing!
Watched for a second time now and really like the photograph you've made. Makes me want to get an 8x10 too, but that's another issue! Ha! Cheers!
Amazing image, such lovely, fine detail and emotion. Thank you.
Thanks John.
Great image, love your large format videos in particular!
Absolutely fantastic work Steve!
Morning Steve. A nice easy watch for a Sunday morning, ta. I know where your coming from on that venue(and others) with the mud. I still find the stuff 18 months on! I have made a light wooden frame, (looks like a scissor fold out stool with cord as the seat) to keep the bag off the mud/sand. It fits over the top of the bag and secures with the side straps. Works well and doesn't add too much if the car is parked a while away. Not been seduced from 5x4, but do like 10x8 contact prints, hmm. Cheers, Diz
Sounds like a good solution Diz, I used to carry a groundsheet but that also got covered in mud and needed a good clean later.
Oh, that mud, I could hear it squelching in the background. Thought I’d have to put my own boots on eventually. Really enjoy watching you do your large format work. Excellent result.
Thank you.
Lovely photograph, Steve. I enjoy your videos! I also enjoy HP5+ and HC-110; a nice combination!
Thanks Barry, HC-110 really suits the larger formats, it’s a bit vicious in 35mm and 120 sometimes.
That cemetery of boats has amazed me. I know it from other videos ..... Close to home there is a lagoon, which affects the tides, which at low tide appear several sunken ships. I have been several times, but it is a very dangerous, I have come to sink, almost to the knees and break a tripod when sliding, but I would go back again ..
You have to take great care in these places, I avoid them when the tide is coming in.
Beautiful composition. Would like to see this photograph also in colors!!!
No colour Ruud, each image should be made with or without it, not both. I prefer to make the decision at the time it is shot and stick to it. My general preference is monochromatic, colour can distract from what you are trying to say.
That is just fantastic!
Yes definitely. It feels like it was created and organic.
Great photograph.
Sheldrakes! Great shot!
All the better for excluding Sheldrakes 😀
@@SteveONions Yes! I loved your 8x10 walkthrough. I am originally from Greasby on the Wirral but am now living in Japan. Your vids are both illuminating and a reminder of back home.
my site.. jonathanhillhouse.com
Thanks Jonathan, I think you’ve gone about as far from Greasby as possible (short of space travel). 😊. I can feel a contact print of that Heswall shot coming soon 👍
Great final image Steve, I don’t think the mid ground detracts from the subject, looks great. 👍
fantastic!
The mud looked very soft! The foot prints give that away.
Great composition Steve, and a great choice of film. A great video all the way through, I really enjoy these insights into large format photography.
Thanks Mark.
Another great vlog Steve, I'm thoroughly enjoying your venture into 8x10. I was surprised by the composition of the final image, works really well, thanks for sharing.
Thanks Michael.
Steve
Beautiful image and an excellent video. Enjoyed your thought process putting the photograph together.
Peter
Thanks Peter.
Just looking for info on large format old cameras and happened on your wonderful video and must say, I thoroughly enjoyed. I'll now bineg on your other videos.
Thanks Rick, I hope you enjoy the other videos.
Beautiful, inspiring, as usual
Fantastic work!
so great sir
It was very relaxing watching you work the 8 x 10 and a nice shot also. It's interesting seeing how the boats there have changed. Some of them appear to be decaying fast.
They dragged a lot of them away now Robin, there are only a couple worth photographing sadly.
@@SteveONions That's really sad. I used to like this location. It won't look the same cleaned up. I blame that posh restraunt and all the tourists wanting a nice day out. They need to embrace the mud.
I love your work Steve. Informative without lecturing! Keep up the interesting work.
Thanks John.
Loved the image. Well worth the wait for you and us!
Thanks Julian.
The image was great Steve, great to see you work n talk your way through the process of getting the shot. I remember your shoot from here last year too, not surprised to see you return. tfs
Thanks Alan, I need to get back again before they drag away all the old boats.
Great image. Well done.
Great image. Local to me and I can vouch for the mud.
Thanks Paul.
Lovely image!
Great photo and explanation of framing the shot. Makes me think about how I can improve in this regard.
Thanks Rob.
Really liked your composition Steve. Thought it worked well with the tighter upright crop. Good to see you out with the 8x10.
Thanks Craig, with just one lens I was quite limited but it often ends up making life a bit easier.
The boat images came out great friend : )
Great photo. One day I may dabble in large format, but for now I finally got my TLR back from being CLA'd and am currently shooting my first roll of hp5 through it. Or second if you count the roll that got ruined when it went for a swim.
Really nice video and photos Steve. Best regards.
Thanks Lars.
so cool steve！
great! keep up the good work!
Thank you.
Nice video so thanks for that. Not certain about the final image however. I certainly like the idea of having a lot of foreground but find the cropping of the boat a little too harsh and would have liked to have seen just a little more of it.
Composition is a very personal thing Mike, I have a preference for tight crops and well contained borders.
@@SteveONions You can please some of the....... :)
Nice image, conveyed the scene well. If I understand your metering, you ended placing the shadows in Zone 4, which looks like it was good choice. Enjoy as always your measured approach and clear explanation of the shot. (Has to be a careful approach given the cost of 8x10 film!).
I did indeed place the shadows on Zone IV Martin, there were no real highlights to worry about and the other frame given another stop of exposure will be fine too (if I get round to developing it).
Hi Steve, I enjoyed the video, watching you work in 8x10 large format and seeing the lovely photographs. Also good to see you venture further afield to this marina - Is it Port Hercule Monaco 😉
Thanks Andy, I go to such glamorous locations 😀
@@SteveONions ha ha
Elephants would know this place.
The Intrepid is too rickety to focus properly, do you have rear tilt on it? I don't like the composition much. Good luck, and perseverance.
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Ahh the real full frame format not that puny 36x24mm that so many rant about 😁😁😁😁
I also find it odd when full frame is now talked about as the gold standard when it was once referred to as ‘the miniature format’.
Better Times for sure. Curious why the boats were there. Was there water enough to float boats and it silted over or were they washed in by a storm and abandoned when the water receded?
I believe they just fell into disuse Philip and gradually started to decay. One or two were still seaworthy until a few years ago but the council are getting them removed now so sadly they’ll just be a memory before long.
Good stuff 👍
Well should i have a go at a boat myself after watching you ? (Have done one image last month)
Nice video, Steve. Enjoyed the thought process and reasons for shooting this image the way you did. I heard you mention Light Room in this video. Just wondering how you scan an 8x10 image into LR. Also do you have a way of analog printing from your 8x10 camera?
Thanks Kevin. I scan the negatives on an Epson v700 flatbed, even at a modest 2000dpi it gives me 20000x16000 pixels. I also plan on making gelatin silver contact prints from them this year.
When I was shooting large format I liked to use the back tilt not only to enhance perspective but to increase DOF, do you ever do that?
I have rarely used it Mark as I don’t often have a prominent foreground. I must try to find a suitable image to employ it this year.
I get worried walking out around that lot I take it that it’s ok to walk on most of it
Not too dangerous but don’t shoot with an incoming tide.
Another great video! Thanks for all the effort you put into your vlog. Question: Any thoughts on upgrading to the Mk2 version?
I’d like to upgrade Alan but unless they offer a similar deal as the 4x5 Mk3 to Mk4 baseplate swap I’ll hang on for now.
I've just recently received my Intrepid MK 1 in the mail, and the Nikkor m 300 mm f9, but didn't make any image on it yet trying to decide what film/developer combination to use. Do you use the HP5 in this light condition because of the learning curve and forgiveness of the film? I'm leaning towards FP4 plus and maybe Rodinal to start out. What's your thoughts on that?
You can’t go wrong with either film, FP4+ is a bit more contrasty but with large format you have a lot more flexibility when it comes to adjustment in post processing.
Interesting that you did not pick the "overexposed" one. I tend to put shadows in zone IV so technically overexposing every shot... What difference did you see? Anyway great shot and great inspiration for my own videos
The shot had the main shadows on Zone IV, the one on Zone V is still sitting in the film holder waiting to be developed 🙂
The whole video I kept worrying about the footprints in the mud. Wish there would have been a way to get rid of them. Compromise.
I didn’t mind them Joey, they are part of the whole run down feel of the scene for me 🙂
Nice composition, well worked in difficult conditions. Where abouts are these old boats?
It’s Heswall moorings on the Dee estuary Julian.
Would it not suffice taking a 6 x 9cm with Med. Format, and a lot easier?!
Definitely easier, cheaper and almost as good quality but nowhere near as much fun 🙂
@@SteveONionsOK
Beautiful shot! But maybe it would have been easier to take with a Sony A7RIII in pixel shift mode...just saying
Easier still with my iPhone 🙂
Where is that amazing place?
Heswall Moorings on the Wirral.
Found my glasses yet 🤔
Great pic just a shame about the footprints..Well done
No Photoshop here 🙂
It's always frustrating when you go someplace you are developing ideas and compositions when you arrive and it's changed that much.
I’ve found that a lot lately, they’ve also cut down most of my favourite forest locations.
@@SteveONions glass half full they are providing new compositions!
Very true.
You are saying that 8x10 gives you lots of latitude. I've heard similar arguments from time to time but don't get the rational behind it. The film material/emulsion is certainly the same as for 35mm film. In the digital world larger sensors tend to have larger pixels and therefore quite literally gather more light which can give you more dynamic range. But in the analog world, the molecules are of the same size so I don't see how the argument would carry over. Can you give me a hint?
Hi Florian. It is all down to the amount enlargement required for the final image. The smaller the format the more demanding the technical requirements for a typical print, a 16”x12” from a 35mm is quite a stretch as it is more than 10 times the linear dimensions of the film. The equivalent enlargement from 8x10 film gives a print over 8 feet wide at which point the limitations of the film are the same but you would not typically view such an image up close.
I have made very small enlargements from poor 35mm negatives which look absolutely fantastic, the principle is the same.
@@SteveONions Thanks a lot for your reply! I do get the negative-size-relative-to-print-size argument when it comes to details. But I understood latitude as dynamic range or contrast range. There I don't see how the density in the negative would be different and more forgiving for 35mm.
A recommendation on a good focussing hood?
I’m still looking for a good one in 8x10.
There *will* come a day when I can afford 8x10. What's the going rate for souls these days?
😊 about £500
@@SteveONions so, 2 8x10 film holders and a box of Fomapan?
Maybe half a box 🙂
Hi, Steve. What can you say about Mamiya RZ67? Have you ever used it?
Never used one, they have a very good reputation but the size has always put me off.
Great optics, heavy as hell to hike with. Especially with a couple lenses. In the 90’s it was our choice portrait camera.
@@GrainyByNature I've just encountered one of RZs in a local camera store for USD700 with a lens. In a pretty good condition (but for rubber grips on the edges). Just wondering, will it be a nice add to a medium format photography.
Yuriy Zhurahovskiy They are excellent. Make sure the film back is 120 or can take 120 film. Since 220 film isn’t made anymore. Make sure the shutter works at all speeds and the glass is flawless. Also make sure the focus is smooth. They are great cameras.
@@GrainyByNature thanks!!!
Why are all those boats there?
Just old craft that used to be involved in some sort of fishing I believe.
It may be your particular style and you do you. But I find your images so very bland and lifelessly flat, devoid of any contrast that differentiates the textures and tonal range available.
Each to their own Dakman.