Indian Navy's 3rd Aircraft Carrier - When will it arrive? What will it look like?
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- India is close to approving procurement of a 3rd aircraft carrier.
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Government of India, Press Information Bureau: www.pib.gov.in
CGI of CATOBAR version of the Queen Elizabeth-class: @MGC91
Can't wait until India builds the INS VISHAL and all their jet designs
It might be a long wait.
Everything you said is based on fact 👍
That is my aim.
I like the idea of a CATOBAR Queen Elizabeth class with Rafale M(or even F-35C) for India. Those ships were initially intended to be CATOBAR so I’m sure the designs exist.
Yes, there is a design. That, together with a STOBAR version already at sea, is why it's a lesser risk than a clean sheet approach.
@@Strategy_Analysis yes, that is a sensible option considering their experience with STOBAR. CATOBAR would give them more aircraft options, especially because they seem to be turning away from purchasing from Russia.
India does not qualify for buying the F-35, due to them operating the S-400 SAM system, Turkiye has the same issue.
@@Harldin Indeed. And given that entire thing with the US exercising tight control over the Mission Data Files of the F-35, I doubt Indian military brass would even consider it.
@@death_parade they did consider, but US wants us to buy F 21s first. Also yes, for a small European nation buying 30-40 jets, ToT wouldn't be necessary, and no one would just do it for an advanced design like F 35. But we need designs that can be rapidly home-produced during war. So no chances tho it's an exceptional piece of jet.
One way to get ships quicker into service might be to build two catobar versions of the Vikrant. Actually I would love to see the RAN have a catobar 45,000 to carrier operating F-35c E-2d plus Seahawk Romeo’s.
It's a lovely dream, but we're putting ANZACs up on blocks right now because we can't crew them. A brand new carrier like the QE with a full air wing like that would need 1,000+ people - that's, what, 5 or more ANZAC class complements?
Any new capability acquisitions for RAN other than nuclear subs basically have to be unmanned or lightly manned until that situation changes.
@@MattWeberWA also ideally for AUKUS SSNs you'd need 2 sets of crew like the US. But why don't your people join the military in more nos?
@@mnd7381 Lots of reasons, though my understanding of them isn't necessarily 100% as I've never been in myself. At the pointy end, I'm told there are real issues with the structure of defence recruitment, it can take literally 12 months or more between application and acceptance because of the way it's done. There are also very tight (in some cases overly restrictive) acceptance criteria for medical and similar - things that wouldn't in any way stop you from doing your job but are deemed unacceptable for the military (things as basic as seeking mental health care or requiring common daily medications).
More broadly though, Australia is a wealthy nation with a long run of generally low unemployment. There's just not the push factors to get people into the military you see in other countries.
There's also the fact that the personnel issues aren't necessarily just a pure numbers question. Often we struggle to crew vessels not just because of a lack of warm bodies, but because of a lack of specific skill sets. There's a lot of demand for skilled and semi-skilled workers in high paying civilian jobs like mining, so if you're a cluey kid looking for a career where you're working with your hands on heavy machinery, you could go into the navy and become a stoker, or you could become a diesel fitter on the mines and earn literally twice as much money, maybe more in the long run.
So, TL:DR is that there's no single answer, but that any high paying country with low unemployment and lots of attractive options for young people is going to struggle with military recruitment.
Please do a video on a bunch of exsaples of carriers strike group formastions
An interesting idea. I'll think about it.
@@Strategy_Analysis if only i found your channel and asked you that last year it would of saved me a year of requests because im too incompetent to do it myself
But please do more than just America, do China, India, UK, France and even Thailand....even their future CSG's...please! 🙏
@@ethanmac639 china, India has a future, but the Thai ship will disappoint you. Rn its just an amphibious ship of 11000 tons only with no good jets. And it's unlikely Thailand will buy anymore soon. Rather Japan has interesting updates
India should end up with 3 solid carrier strike groups, and America will have at least 10, France will have 1 and possibly 2(if they upgrade and maintain the Charles De Gaul), UK will have 2 and China should have at least 8, and if things go good for Russia they should have 4 in the future(2 Storm, 1 Lamantin and 1 UMK Varan)
Another Vikrant class is expected, post that an INS Vishal is expected to be catobar with Indigen.ius jet.
Yes, it is expect. What I highlight in the briefing is that confirmation has not yet been forthcoming. The DAC has not approved it. Another Vikrant now seems the best way for India to go if it wants a 3rd carrier ASAP.
Great analysis, another possibility is the procurement of the Kuznetsov if the Russians are no longer able to sustain her in the future, and if the Indians really need a CV to maintain two carrier fleets.
Thank you. Regarding the Kuznetsov, I don't think the Russian will sell it. Also, after India's experience with the Vikramaditya, I doubt they want to go down that path again.
@@Strategy_Analysis Situation is so bad that after the Russians delayed supplying the aviation complex of the INS Vikrant, Navy is thinking of developing an Indian aviation complex for the sister ship of INS Vikrant (assuming DAC or the CDS don't throw a spanner in the works).
Nah bro, spare us from Kuznetsov :(
Maybe another jump ski carrier
Certainly a possibility.
Maybe the Italian aircraft carrier breakdown and possibly suitability for Australia?
Italy does have 2 ships that can operate F-35Bs. I'd probably roll it into the global Carrier Strike Group briefing. As for Australia ....
@Strategy_Analysis yes to supplement our amphibious task group as the current government doesn't want to modify our LHD back to a form that they were originally designed for. Even though adding armoured shipping type containers for ammunition and plug-in armoured fuel shipping containers,along with the new British heat resistant coating for the deck, it could be done on a decent budget. I believe we still have options on 25 F35's, which could be converted to B models. Then, with Quad countries and possibly South Korea, we could field a pretty serious amphibious Carrier strike group in Asia similar to what was fielded by the Commonwealth BCF in WW2.
Aircraft carriers are not an asset deployed lightly. In their wars against Pakistan, India have not once utilised aircraft carriers for combat operations. While its true they pose a significant threat to adversaries, the possibility of losing one is so catastrophic that they are only ever deployed when the cards are stacked in one's favour, with the Falkland's being the only notable exception that comes to mind over the last 70-80 years. Any suggestion of French or British carriers conducting combat operations within the first or second island chain is farcical. A third Indian carrier will enable far more robust security in and around her sea lanes but it is highly unlikely they will ever be deployed offensively.
I knew foreigners loved meddling with India's history, but c'mon man! Using the INS Vikrant carrier group to impose a Naval blockade on East Pakistan and its carrier air wing bombing East Pakistani harbours in 1971 is well documented stuff. Don't write bold faced lies next time.
India literally used our Aircraft Carrier to bomb Pakistani positions in Bangladesh, during the 1971 War. Stop spreading misinformation.
Is there any difference between the Vikramaditya and Vikrant? Like the Liaoning and Shandong?
Yes, very different ships although they displace around the same tonnage and carry around the same number of aircraft. The Vikramaditya was converted from an old Russian carrier, whereas the Vikrant is an India construction of different design.
Look at the island design, Russian carrier design has a huge island thats also used for cruiser role.(they carry a huge component of anti ship missiles) It hard mod it out completely. (For example, while Liaoning remove the missiles, the space used can't be used as hanger and it is used to expand crew space. While in Vikramaditya the island is stuck near the center) Vikrant island design is a more standard carrier and shangdong a much larger hanger than allow it store 4+ more aircraft.
@@WangGanChang Vikrant and Shandong are way better than predecessors. Both the Soviet hulls are decades old.
Another option is India buys the Prince of Wales carrier
That would be interesting, but I don't think it's up for sale.
@@Strategy_Analysis
I predict UK won't be able to afford the cost of maintaining 2 carriers 10 years from now. But if they keep breaking down, nobody wants to buy them.
@@mistman5640 You bring up some interesting points. We'll probably know sooner rather than later.
India has the size and power to matter. Great size is always synonymous with India. Large and strong country 🇮🇳
India is always great in planning but seldom yield expected results. I forsee it will take at least 20 years to build and fully commissioned a new carrier. By then, the 2 existing ships likely retired.
Folks really don't understand/underestimate what exponential economic growth coupled with compounding effects of indigenous technological maturity and a paradigm shifts in procurement policy can lead to. By the time India celebrates its 100th Independence Day in 2047, expect to see the Indian Navy fielding 5 carrier fleet as per its stated goal.
There was a time when public infrastructure projects in India used to face similar delays, running years or decades behind schedule. Now look at them. India's military industrial complex is achieving critical mass. Watch this space.
The 3rd indian air craft carrier is believed to be stealthy and it will only take stealthy indian fighters.
Although it was promoted as future defense platforns, indians are quietly operating it .
Quietly operating what?
India is the master of "talking" about doing great things. But not so good with the "doing" part. You said 2030. India's track records will say that the construction phase will begin in 2040.
You might want to reconsider this given the recent changes in Indian Defence procurement procedures. Won't be smooth sailing, but won't be the snail's pace of yesteryears either.
If the contract is signed by 2026 (plausible given the current trajectory), the ship can be delivered by 2035 easily.
@@death_parade proof it. talking won't make things happen.
@@namelesswarrior4760 *prove what? That the Defence Procurement Policy has changed?
Yeah yeah, don't need to prove anything to you. Come to war with us and find out what we actually have.
If we can go to Mars and the Moon, construct our own aircraft carriers, tanks and jets with a large degree of indigenization and carry out naval operations as well as the world's largest vaccine distribution programs and the world's largest evacuation efforts thousands of kilometers away from our shores and borders, I would call our capabilities pretty good.
You can continue with your Hate India vape, we do not care.
@@death_paradeI’m having trouble seeing why does India feels the need to have more carriers? It’s only use would be to fight against Pakistan, but two carrier would be more than enough.
what is it with indian videos and using the same tired effects .. the "speed up the video and then normal speed" one gets me every time, makes it look like a cheap bollywood flick
Indian culture has led to Indians being giants in language and dwarfs in action. Any qualified Brahmin should maintain a high level of ideological rhetoric and should guide the actions of lower caste people instead of engaging in them themselves.
Even in daily work, Indian employees are far better at making PPT than employees of other races. They are good at planning goals and describing bright prospects. However, in actual operation, it is easy to mess up things, and they are extremely good at stealing other people's successes and shirking responsibility. They avoid situations that are unfavorable to themselves and let other members of the group bear the consequences.
This channel is yet to be one of the mainstream popular ones in the defense and military knowledge community in UA-cam. Once it becomes that, this kind of comments would be flooded with less knowledgeable Indian comments full of patriotism justifying each of their actions.
I once gotten into an argument with an Indian questioning why their Air Force has so many different varieties of combat aircraft from different makers and even different countries, in the argument I realized, Indian civilians are full of patriotism but lack heavily on real military knowledge, anyone who questions their military acquisitions which often does not appear to have any thinking done on logistics / supply chain/interoperability with current assets aspects, Even if it is in good faith or for an intellectual debate, They would consider that person as an anti Indian.
And guess what happens when the fools are plenty in numbers.
The amount of casual racism and language dripping with contempt that Indians face online is quite something to behold. Wake me up when you loudmouths figure out that Caste-based pyramid in India is currently inverted and Brahmins are getting the worst of this affirmative action, sanctioned by law.
India doesn't need to "steal" anything. Our successes already have folks like you venting in frustration.
@@BengalLancer India having a wide mix of fighter jets obviously has to do with India's geopolitical environment and stance. Add to it the newfound ability of Indians to modify foreign jets with indigenous hardware, and the "supply chain and logistics issues" start to diminish.
As for "Indian jingos justifying every action of their procurement boards and Ministry of Defence", I don't know which rabbit hole you slipped into but the average Indian defence enthusiast usually has the choicest of words for our procurement process. Nobody pretends that it is good, despite the recent improvements.
@@death_parade he's a bangladeshi dude. Arguing with them is like banging your head against a wall.