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I agree with you, I have also found reference in the books that support your claims: one came from the book 3 of the Ciaphas Cain series (The Traitor's Hand) the planet Adumbria which despite being practically immobile with half the world frozen in darkness and the other a sunny scorched wasteland, the people still live decently in the middle zone with cities rivaling those of most civilized worlds with bars restaurant places of entertainment and resorts. The second is Iax from the recent Godblight novel; despite the world being literally halfway to hell there are plenty of references of how beautiful of a place it was with a lot of greenery and parks that coexisted with the more modern urban centers.... at least until Morty arrived and started trowing sh*t around just to piss of Guilliman.
@@anagrams-u5r I'm not satisfied with that boring camo pattern on our defense stations. Who is in favor of painting them in tan? And I want to discuss those partying Ogryns leaving spent shells and beer cans everywhere. Wasn't it Mr Smith's turn to clean up this month?
@@anagrams-u5r wouldn’t be grim dark without a Catachan Karen as the president complaining about how not enough jungle is being burned (& she never has to do any of the work ) 😹
@@chupacabra304 I want a meme comic made of a parody Life as a Catachan with a Karen Catachan bitching about how not enough things are being killed around her home but only kills them when they're in her specific home space
It's the same in the fantasy version. In some novels, Empire is pretty chill place to live and most of the citizens regard stuff like Chaos and Beastmen like nothing more than Old Nan's tales, while in other novels, everyone lives in constant state of fear and paranoia. That's what you get when you employ shitton of different writers, each with their own headcanon.
It can also depends on the time and place where the story goes. When you travel from town to town you might find some beastmen on your way. If you live in a village you might be attacked by bandits or beastmen.
@@jkgf4671 Considering all the threats out there that villages have to deal with, I think it's safe to say that your typical village in general is made up of surprisingly capable warriors and marksmen because defense is now just as critical as maintaining their fields.
@@patrickmcginty3234 As propably state mandaited. If I remember right in medieval england eny man needed to train whit a longbow after church so when draft came there will be decent bow men to serve.
Life in the Imperium is a life of service to the god emperor, you should be happy you can simply serve his greatness citizen! *notes name for future review*
@@humanity600 Cancel the exterminatus, send in the Flesh Tearers and the Marines malevolent to purge the heretics first. Flamers and god machines are authorised! *Hangs up comm*
@@warlorddthorn4173 My mate use to get it freight forwarded and then I would buy it off him. Now they just send it to me directly I've told them that people wanted it down under. Im waiting to see why they cant send it over to us directly.
The imperium is just so massive that applying a single theme like " everything is soul crushing depressing " is just not good writing , besides the reason we only get stories in these extreme settings is because they sell the best
Yeah, because why do they publish a novel with a pleasure world or a civilized world without Chaos or Genestealers in the middle? It could be boring to some extend and can broke that image of "grimdark" of the franchise
@@ravenmunnin8109 or having an slice of life in different world settings without involving any chaos stuff. The day by day of a forge world worker, the life style on a feral/death world, or even a normal day for a hive world habitant. Not only war has to be shown, I mean, there's more beyond that.
@@JIMT412 Exactly! I would definitely read a book about a forge world worker and how there armours are crafted or there weapons. Maybe a gang story about someone who has to witness violent gang wars in a hive world. Or an overseer to an agriculture world. Where they farm whales like cattle to provide meat for the imperium. Or the purging of a world to allow the mass amounts of farming to thrive!
I've always been under the assumption that most 40k worlds are portrayed as shitty due to being worlds located at/near warfronts, so they're undergoing a mass military production phase to support the imperial troops (and survive from the xenos that are incoming), with everything calming down to pretty nice living conditions if the battle is won (emphasis on "if").
i've made quite a realisation. they way the lore is self contradictory, the way the lore is retconned, the way the lore varies massively, and the sheer volume of lore is comparable to the variation, complexity, scale, and contradictions of the Imperium itself.
Yeah just think about how diverse earth is currently all by itself....then imagine around a million planets of all different size, gravity, temperature , atmosphere, composition, sunlight (ect ect) inhabited over the course of 20-30 thousand years. Plenty of possibilities . Anything you could imagine really.
Perhaps too many writers wanting to establish their own canon but not reading already established lore which ultimately causes some conflicts. I mean, look at C.S. Goto and Matt Ward. How in the world they managed to keep their jobs for as long as they did really shows how uncaring GW is with lore sometimes.
reminder that 40k lore is whatever you want it to be; a lot of source books like to portray themselves as historical codexes rather than the traditional words of god like depending on the book your reading Space Marines can cover 10 meters "in a heart-beat" but then in another novel they die due to arrogance against a wooden stick Why? Well, from a Watsonian perspective you would say that this is because of the fickleness of information in a galaxy spanning empire and the propaganda game in an authoritarian state such as the Imperium From a doyalist perspective it's literally just because 40k is 30 years old and out-sources a lot of it's content Note that Games Workshop knows this btw and uses the Watsonian reasoning to justify the Doyalist reasoning (*Marc Gascogne, chief editor Black Library) --- _"Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. If it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it."_
@@Lunarhermit4637 >reminder that 40k lore is whatever you want it to be Aye, I've heard of that plenty of times. Nothing is canon yet everything is canon or something. At the risk of offending people, I always found that stance lazy. Why bother putting in effort to establish canon that people have to work with in order to make things consistent with when you can just write whatever you want and let everyone else pick what they want to be canon or not...I'm using that word too much aren't I? It could just be me, as I prefer more grounded (probably not using that word correctly) writing as opposed to "don't like it? Well it's not canon so long as you choose it to be!" or something of that nature. Probably reading into this too much but I've seen that argument so much when it comes to lore that I figured I'd bring it up. Simply put, this post is an IMO.
This reminds me of a quote in Game of Thrones by the Blackfish. He basically says that even in war’s darkest days, for most people in most parts of the world, absolutely nothing is happening. He says this while they’re looking out onto a peaceful and quiet stretch of land that is completely oblivious to the huge war being fought in Westeros. I imagine that this logic also applies to a lot of planets in the Imperium as well.
And most huge wars are only system sized and I doubt any news network in the Empire is reporting on it. Only things like Chaos Crusades and Tyranid Wars are major disasters that affect a large number of worlds. And there're usually centuries if not millenia between such events. For core worlds, the last great disaster was the Horus Heresy, Emperor's Great Crusade and before that the war with the Men of Iron. That's like 10,000 years between such things. Only 1-10% of humanity suffers from some great disaster in their lifetime and 90% of that happens only to fringe worlds. Of course, things are getting worse. Each Tyranid War is worse than the last, Chaos is becoming more powerful and signs show that great many grand schemes are coming to ahead which spells disaster for the entire Empire.
But majorkill, forgeworlds have some sort of a holiday/rest day called "sector wakes" - where the production facilities of a sector are closed down for routine maintenance, and the workers relocate en masse to a recreational facility. Source: Death or Glory, a ciaphas cain novel by sandy mitchelle.
@@TheMaos with a setting as large as 40k theres bound to be different traditions and activities in different worlds. Hell, some places in the damocles gulf celebrate whats basically the burning man.
@@JAMBUILDER08 but recreation is still recreation. And lorewise, this information came from a footnote by an inquisitor of the ordo xenos. If anybody in 40k knows whats happening, it would be the inquisitors.
I like to imagine that feudal worlds are less completely medieval and underdeveloped, but more like when the protagonist in a Star Wars film come across a remote village. They farm and live in huts but they have access to basic technologies like computer consoles, speeder vehicles, primitive blasters and droids lying around. Something like that is what I like to imagine in my head cannon as it’s kind of weird to me to imagine medieval stinky peasants who use pitchforks and serve armoured knights etc. Not saying they don’t exist, just that they’d most likely just a bit more developed than what medieval Europe was.
There are such feudal worlds of the type that you describe. But there are probably tens of thousands or more of feudal worlds in which indeed the vast majority of the population do not own and very rarely or never have access to such modern technologies. They are indeed mostly like Earth of the European early Middle Ages to the early Renaissance Age.
My take is that this is true of some feudal worlds, paticularly those which the Imperium takes some interest in, but that many are simply fossils, relic populations of humans from before the Age of Strife who have been cut off from the rest of humanity so completely and for so long that any technology that relies to any extent on outisders or outside resources has been completely lost, along with knowledge of the outside world. Many of these worlds belong to the Imperium only in the most nominal sense, and it's quite possible some of those worlds might die out or be destroyed by xenos without the Imperium even being aware of it for centuries.
I'd imagine that majority of people on the feudal worlds are kept generally ignorant of it all, but the ruling class would have some tech and connection to the Imperium, just kept out of sight from the the populace. That way they can keep their control over the world, while the Imperium gets its tithes, leaving both sides happy. Though it would be neat to get more backwater/outer rim type stories in 40k.
‘It has long been in your capability to transform these worlds. Baal Primus is dead, but you need not let your remaining people suffer unnecessarily. Will they fight any better for dwelling on a world that kills them? By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. Teach them what we are fighting for. A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already? /Roboute Guilliman
@@TheWarmachine375 he didn't kill all of them, and why would that make anyone in power start carrying about other humans lives and their standart of living? If they didn't care earlier they won't start now.
@@jkgf4671 In fairness, the High Lords didn't really like Guilliman for ruining the status quo they have maintained for 10,000 years when he came back and took charge of the Imperium as the Lord Commander to reform it and make it better no matter what.
@@jkgf4671 They would follow him as an example: 'I don't know where you came from,' he said, 'and I no longer care. I have never heard a truer son of Macragge. Your father lies slain, not a kilometre from here, and you have just spoken calmly and clearly in the face of his murderer. You put the needs of the senate before your own pain. You are an example, Roboute Guilliman.' He looked around the hall. 'To all of us.' I shook my head but, before I could reply, the man next to him removed his wreath and dropped it beside Adarin's. Then another man did the same. One by one, the patricians all pushed forwards to drop wreaths at my feet until I was surrounded by a pile of golden leaves. Pride and shock rooted me to the spot. 'Macragge will endure,' I whispered, thinking again of my father's prophecy, not intending to be heard. The acoustics of the hall snatched my words and cast them across the crowd. 'Macragge will endure!' replied five hundred voices, as the council began to kneel.
14:08 Forge world workers are given 1 week off while their stations are maintained each year, and there's plenty of non-servitor workers, Haldron 44 from the Skitarius book was a worker before joining the Skitarii
True. Though I do sort of get the image that a 'Worker' on a Forge World isn't exactly a baseline Human. I'd honestly be surprised if the average Forge World Worker didn't have significant mechanical enhancements (relative to 'standard' Imperial Workers, I mean).
@@saj2392 The way I understand it, most forge worlds view getting to have mechanical enhancements as being blessed, so your plumber won't likely get to have one- unless they fix the pipes of the nuclear reactor keeping the fabricator general's holy furby alive. If the general populous of a forge world has more mechanical 'enhancements' than other Imperial worlds, then they're cheaper versions, and entirely the result of workplace hazards and less from _seeking_ improvements
@@saj2392 an average forgeworker doesn't actually get augments because theyre disposable, haldron 44 specifically mentions how he had tattoos of augmetics on himself because he could only dream of getting them at the time
@@saj2392 One of the Cain novels mentions that at least some Forge Worlds have quite a large baseline human population as nearby Imperial Worlds send labourers to act as menial/low-skill labour on nearby Forge Worlds essentially as a form of payment for the goods from the Forge World. There are also Industrial Worlds, which are Forge Worlds owned by Terra, not Mars who probably have an even higher ration of baseline humans to Tech Priests
@@kaydenkuah3844 Honestly, with a bit of tweaking, the setting of RWBY would make a lot of sense as a planet that had fallen to shit during the Age of Strife, hanging on to continued existence using its class of superior warriors against an endless tide of soulless monstrosities produced by an immortal fleshcrafter. Hardest part to integrate would be the Aura, since that'd probably be considered psychic power but you'd expect a world like Remnant to be a lot worse to psykers considering what probably caused things to go so wrong there to begin with.
A million worlds you are going to get some variety. Everyone working like they were in a Soviet gulag? At 80% casualties you aren't going to last 10K years
The real grimdark is in the ubiquitous nature of servitors, not the work hours of the average Imperial subject. That's a whole lot of condemned prisoners.
A lot of those authors get their lore from the wikis so I don't know how much of a lore authority they really are, beyond the material they created wholesale.
Just as an example, the Dark Angels explicitly only recruit from Feral and Death worlds. Supreme Chapter Master Azrael is from a frozen almost-death world that was stuck in the dark ages, he was basically a feral child that carried rotting frozen heads from people he killed on him, and he turned out to be a brilliant commander and tactician.
People forget that alot of these Grim Dark moments of hive fleets devouring worlds and chaos enslaving and torturing entire systems are not as frequent as they seem, they only happen to a handful of world's over decades, centuries or if not thousands of years, even the continuous wars are very slow drawn out conflicts, so the million worlds don't need to be enslaved to building up the armies of man since each battle, even your average inquisitor will only deal with 1 major chaos threat in their life
The best illustration of “not everything is one way and there are huge differences of doctrine, culture, etc” is probably the Gaunts Ghosts series. You can go from hellish meat grinders to intelligently commanded battles, from fodder regiments to respected and valued ones, from people loyal to the throne first to more locally minded people who barely have cause to care for the wider Imperium, and from Idyllic worlds to death planets fairly rapidly. I also like how the series fleshes out the culture of the heretical societies that live in the chaos occupied regions. To them, they are defending their long-standing culture and “liberating” the loyalists from a twisted dogma that denies them the true way. The books manage this perspective without devolving into “the bad guys are just as good as the good guys” trope.
It also depends on how the world is ruled since the Imperium does not care how a world its ruled so long it pays its tithes, worships the Emperor and is loyal. There's probably even planetary rivalries due diffrences of values and how they worship the Emperor. Hell the ecclesiarchy is probably flexible on how one can worship the Emperor which can vary in shape or form depending on the world some will have human/xeno sacrifices and some can have the same or mixture of rituals like in IRL religions.
Best worlds to live in are usually civilized worlds, Agri Worlds and Pleasure worlds, however there are outliers as some Hive Worlds can be good places to live in unlike Hives like Necromunda. (40K is basically the same as Gotham, a dark place with pockets of peace.)
Also keep in mind that if you join the astra millitarim. You could spend your whole service without seeing a single Space Marine, Demon or Xeno especially if you are from a civilized world.
My understanding is that the ministorium is flexible to a certain point. While there is an acceptable range of beliefs within the Imperial Cult, one can step out of bounds and into heresy, and even what is considered acceptable may change from time to time.
@@missZoey5387 Correct. The main issue is it must be one god and they must address it as the Emperor of mankind. Other then that it varies wildly. I even heard at one point an agri-ocean world worshipped the god-emperor as an embodiment of the sea much like Poseidon.
This was fun. I do tend to feel that the average life on an Imperial world is shittier than this; the Imperium, as a people, doesn't feel a need to treat people like people, but as one more resource to spend as needed. If a Planetary Governor WANTS to operate his world in a way many fans of the grimdark setting seem to think it is, they totally can, and nothing short of an uprising will stop it. That's why he has the best planetary troops. HOWEVER, to think that every world is that bad is dumb. Are there Administratum planets where people mindlessly record info, are brought food once a day, and sleep for four hours, feet away from where you work? I'm sure there are, and the Imperium knows it can work you to death; you have no one to help you, and plenty to replace you, but then that's only if the governing body WANTS it like that. There are plenty of better places. I presume part of it is just to try and depict what the main characters of the story have arisen from, and what shaped them. I've read Angel of Fire, the first Macharian Chronicles book, and Leo Lemuel, while his planet is somewhat crap, lives a pretty average life. He has an apartment, and a job. He has friends, and goes out for fun, at night. His family is crap, but he accepts it. If memory serves, the only real reason he and his friend join the Guard, in order to leave the planet, is to get away from some personal trouble he brought upon himself, and knows will get him killed anyway, so what's the Guard going to do? He's not trying to escape poverty, or a dead-end job his family has had for years, or even to gallantly serve the Emperor, nor was he drafted against his will by some Inquisitor, or Commissar. It's sort of like Sherlock Holmes. Scotland Yard is one of the greatest law enforcement organizations in the world, or so I've heard, but when Holmes is involved, those bumbling goobs couldn't solve the case of the stolen lunch, or tell their own asses from holes in the ground. There's only so much awesome Sherlock Holmes can have, and then, in order to further exemplify his greatness, you have to enfeeble his peers. To make our humans look suitability more heroic, they sometimes have to make the places they came from all the more crap. On the plus side, since most Guardsmen never get to return home; they either die on their battlefield, or get sent to another one, and spin the autopistol barrel again, it helps explain why it's no big thing they left everyrhing; their family, friends, history, culture, and more behind. On such worlds, who'd WANT to return? Still, plenty of worlds aren't bad; it just makes for a more grimdark story if this one is.
If you run a factory you don't smash your machines likewise the imperium may view it people as nothing more than an asset however you want your asset to last a long time so you try not to ram the ass out of it
The problem is Human psychology. Unless 40k Humans are not Humans as we understand, a life of servitude and anguish is no life and it will end, and end very quickly. Most worlds would simply HAVE to be "normal".A governor who chose to rule like a slave lord would quickly find him or herself on a death world quite quickly.
Every writer has their strengths and weaknesses. Demski bowden is good for stuff that needs to actually be grim dark, like chaos space marines (his night lords books are good) , but the problem is he also writes absolutely everything and everyone else that way in all his books.
Could you imagine a feudal world novel? Imagine a rebel creating a revolution to take down the tyrant ruler and believing to have overthrown the greatest threat in his world only for giants in armor to come and slaughter him and his friends for questioning an Imperium from the stars he has never heard of.
Abnett's ability to describe various worlds and locations is a treat. Really feel like a 40k tour. Just the swamps of Monthax and the Carnival is still pict recorded in my brain and I only had one read through of books containing those a decade ago.
Janitor in the Imperial Palace, the safest place in the Galaxy, the only issue is that you have to polish the Custodes all the time, good lord the amount of wax & oil used for that gold
Nailed it. Abnett is the man! Love the variety we get in his books. Not just 'big men in power armour, fap fap'. I loved seeing the few Astartes in Eisenhorn from the point of view of humans.
@@ultramarinescaptain3840 not directly, they appear rather absurd though. The Librarian that consults Eisenhorn shows some humor, also he has a pointy finger while taking a sip of a tea cup that was made for normal humans
@@vincesettineri yes, if you're in Constantinople you're literally in Holy Terra and if you're in Crimea you're in Fenris and if you're in Athens you're in Macragge and if you're in Italy you're in Imperium nihilus
I remember one 40k book where some Space Marine is listening to an Inquisitor and Scholar go back and forth on what the Tau could be using to get so many Humans to become heretics and "defect" to the Tau's "Greater Good" and internally says to himself that if they ever bothered to look at the conditions regular people are forced to live in and endure, especially by officials who supposedly "Agents of the Empire", they'd realize the Tau don't need mind control or coercion to get people to join at all.
Living in the Imperium is kind of like being in the US military. You might end up in some base in hawaii where they serve steak three nights a week at the chow hall, or you might end up patrolling a Shia neighborhood in Ramadi for 18 months and sleeping 2 hours a night.
Always felt life will vary greatly from planet to planet as each one is somewhat at the whim of the Governor. Reading A Thousand Sons atm found it interesting to see Ahriman talking in a Siege about how he thinks the Ultramarines had the right of it in leaving planets genuinely better than when they found them compared to the bomb-to-shit-then-onto-the-next behaviour of some other legions.
Of course if I'd known what that little book recommendation would lead to, you can be sure I would delete the youtube app and put my phone down straight away.
"The tracks on the land raider crush the heretics, crush the heretics, crush the heretics. The tracks on the land raider crush the heretics, all day long!"
Honestly I’ve always wanted to write a novel about a guard regiment from a quite nice pleasant world that gets underestimated constantly because they haven’t been toughened up by harsh living, but actually turn out to be pretty good. It would have a sort of Ciaphas Cain tone to it.
Make them basically a regiment of a world that takes the philosophy of Marcus Aurelius and combines with the the brutality of Caesar. Ie., they know they come from a pretty good world and they offset the relative ease of life with a culture of citizens constantly having to prove their physical and psychological mettle. This can be done by making incredibly harsh sports and relentless academic pursuits a way of life. A world of Renaissance Men and Women. Look up Heinlein quotes on what a man should be able to do.
ooh, ooh! Maybe this regiment only have to deal with a number of Xenos that are the rejects of their species and are quite silly and having decided to try and attack that world, only to fail in silly and fun ways.
This makes a LOT more sense than it all being grimdark. Look at our world, just one planet and how diverse and distinct it is. It stands to reason that the Imperium and all its million worlds would range from one extreme to the other.
Sure, the planet in Infinite & Divine got invaded by orks and then exterminatus'd due to genestealer uprising but literally thousands of peaceful years elapsed in between. For most people who ever lived there life was pretty decent
It was still made out to be a less-than-ideal place, with the oceans drained and biosphere mostly destroyed. The ocean floor was covered in sprawling arcologies too, iirc
I remember hearing about one world that was just a bunch of archipelagos where few tribals just fish all day. I always figured if I had to live in the imperium then being on that planet would be my safest bet.
@@hawk66100 It's because of this I always headcanon that Catachans have Aussie accents. "Strewth, Corporal Jumbuck, willya look at that Catachan Devil. Ain't she a bewdy?" (Turns around to see Corporal Jumbuck with his head being bitten off by a Venus Mantrap) "Now... ah'm no expert, but ah reckon that stings a bit."
@Majorkill You should read "The Siege of Castellax". It is a Hive world in the hands of the Iron warriors which gets attacked by a Waagh. I have the feeling that many ppl, including Aaron Dembski-Bowden, think that normal worlds of the Imperium look like this. But it gets very clear that the harsh conditions under which the workers have to live slowly kill them, even to the point where they are nearly happy that they are getting attacked by a huge Waagh and will probably die. It is a cool book, if you like to see some Chaos Mariens vs Orks Action without some edgy Bs in it and the story of a normal human that gets recruited as a slave worker and later slave soldier, and tries to survive.
even though hive worlds make up a small percentage of the imperial worlds they have much much larger populations sometimes even into the trillions compared to other types of worlds that may only house a few billion so even though hive worlds are a small minority of the worlds in the imperium they still house most of its populations. most peoples lives on hive worlds are terrible maybe not work till you drop terrible but your still never going to leave your hive the rest of the world is basically a wasteland, you'll be working long hours with restrictive laws effectively no hobbies and little in the way of comforts like decent food or comfortable shelter
Was going to make the same point. It really depends on what you mean by "most". Most planets... probably not, but in terms of population numbers Hive Worlds probably contribute a fairly significant percentage of the Imperium's total population.
Despite making up 13% of the Imperium’s total territory hive worlds account for 52% of the Imperium’s total population! (Also like 60+ percent of all violent crime lol)
As the Major stated, there are strata of the hive worlds. The underclass, which would make up a large minority of the population would be as you say. But the rest of the population, the majority would live average to sumptuous lives.
I live in Mexico city and the lawlessness, dog eats dog, pollution, packed apartment buildings and Santa Muerte cults in the slums have a 40K ring to it. So does all beautiful palaces and churches downtown along with the opullent wealthy neighboorhood, its indeed quite a Hive City.
That´s kinda the cool thing about 40k in general, you have about 10,000 years to play with and not too many set in stone rules regarding lore. The Imperium could have hundreds of thousands of Grimdark worlds, and just as many that are Grimderp and, well, like ours.
Off the top of my head, I can imagine a Forge World as being like Giedi Prime, the Harkonnen homeworld, from Dune; cityworlds as being like Coruscant from Star Wars; agri-worlds as being basically a whole world just like a major industrial farm in Kansas; and death worlds being anything from a whole planet like Australia only nastier to the planet Pandora from Avatar but with a major hard-on for killing anything not native and the means to do it--in other words, the worst parts of Pandora, the Amazon Jungle, and Australia, except with Eiwa, the giant mind controlling Pandora, hopped up on a LOT of crack and speed and all paranoid and psychotic.
I like the idea of somewhat peaceful feudal worlds where people are unaware of the horrors in the 40k universe. Sort of like the emporium is just leaving them in quiet ignorance.
Yeah, but I know one day in the not too distant future the planet will be invaded by Xenos of some variety. And there simply wont be much reason to defend it.
I mean the average Imperial world would still have populations several times that of ours, considering how bad poverty, exploitation, crime and misery can be on the real earth. I think its fair to say that theres a significantly smaller chance of the average Imperial citizen having a good living situation even if the majority arent born into total destitution.
nonsense. The 40k world is run with an iron fist. Even if the governing body doesnt protect you, the Gangs in your district would consider it vital to protect its denizens. Lives of misery simply are untenable.
Kids sometimes get their first pets at 7 yrs old. It could be a dog, a cat, a bird etc. A catachan kid at that age must tame a wild bull grox or die trying.
A thing I would like to add about feudal worlds. Historically speaking, the medieval age is not nearly as grim and bad as people think it was. People were not dirty and filthy, things were not all gray and black and people did not just dump their shit in the streets, furthermore most people were not at war most of the time. While it is true that the early medieval age as well as the plague created more extreme situations they still were not as people think and these are more outliers.
I would think that the difference between the feudal age and feudal worlds, feudal worlds would likely have things like actual toilets and running water.
I assert that no matter what the condition of a hivecity it will ALWAYS be a living hell if you live below a certain strata. Population density at that level alone would make it hell, forget the fact everything would be constantly damp and humid.
1:00 me, who ate a cheese and tomato sandwhich for breakfast today, and regularly has fruit and toast instead of cereal: "I don't have such weaknesses".
In one of my early Warhammer reads, a young man is conscripted for Imperial Tithe. His world is described much as ours, and he is in fact conscripted from a rural farm.
40K is probably the last sci-fi setting I would want to live in, but, given the variety of planets and conditions and the frankly stupid numbers involved, the odds of actually being somewhere terrible is pretty low. Just don't be born with any significant Psyker powers or a blank or null. Stay away from Astartes recruitment zones and hope like hell the world you're born on doesn't have a famed Guardsman regiment and you should be fine. I mean, I can't imagine working as a bar tender on a civilised or pleasure world is generally any worse than working as a bar tender in a IRL tourist trap, if anything the stuff you could overhear might be more interesting.
Life is likely "hard" In most cities and planets of the Empire by design. Humans perform at the best when they have something to do and hardships to overcome. The death core of Krieg being the extreme case here.
Now my question to chat, what kind of world would you like to live on and why? Me: A warm mountainous pleasure planet, I dont do well in extreme cold, and I have to be constantly entertained.
You should do like a actual timeline of events with your humor for people new to 40k. Like from 20k-42k. (Im still new to 40k and your channel is the best 40k one in general)
My new head canon is that a inquisitor just one day found a feudal world, was gonna colonise it and stuff, but the just saw this dude chilling and herding a flock of sheep, and just changes his mind and leaves the planet.
I remember in second Icenhorn novel they visited agri world that had planet wide network of factory/reaping trains that collected the od crop of the world that left after procesing kinda sticy starch floating down and covering all mutie towns as mutants where used as mine work force
Read flesh and steel the Warhammer Crime novel. The crime novels are amazing from seeing the world from the bottom up but as a cogboy fanboy this is the best if the bunch.
Eisenhorn, Caiphus Cain and even the Infinite and the Divine novels all show worlds that are basically no worse than most places in real life, with a lot of the shite being due to the planet itself, rather than the Imperium.
Man i miss the days when i thought Warhammer Fantasy took place on some far off Feudal World the Imperium left it's own devices to instead of it being an entirely different pocket dimension. It helped a lot with the Sigprimarch thing.
@@jkgf4671 yeah, main plotholes were the eldar but maybe they could have been some stupid offshoot that decided to settle on a planet like the exodites or something.
Just to make it clear, ADB is a great author and there's a decent chance we actually agree on this topic.
But I love being a shit stirrer so here we are
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I agree with you, I have also found reference in the books that support your claims: one came from the book 3 of the Ciaphas Cain series (The Traitor's Hand) the planet Adumbria which despite being practically immobile with half the world frozen in darkness and the other a sunny scorched wasteland, the people still live decently in the middle zone with cities rivaling those of most civilized worlds with bars restaurant places of entertainment and resorts.
The second is Iax from the recent Godblight novel; despite the world being literally halfway to hell there are plenty of references of how beautiful of a place it was with a lot of greenery and parks that coexisted with the more modern urban centers.... at least until Morty arrived and started trowing sh*t around just to piss of Guilliman.
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@@chaptermasterfafnirrann5088 can
Feckin cereal m8
Chore on a Catachan. "Okay honey I'm going to go mow the lawn now." Grabs a Heavy Flamer and rushes out to fight a dozen strangler plants.
Going grocery shopping on Catachan: Sees Catachan devil charging at a village. "Looks like we're getting a quality meal tonight boys!"
Mowing your lawn on catachan means that it has a homeowners association oh god
@@anagrams-u5r I'm not satisfied with that boring camo pattern on our defense stations. Who is in favor of painting them in tan? And I want to discuss those partying Ogryns leaving spent shells and beer cans everywhere. Wasn't it Mr Smith's turn to clean up this month?
@@anagrams-u5r wouldn’t be grim dark without a Catachan Karen as the president complaining about how not enough jungle is being burned (& she never has to do any of the work ) 😹
@@chupacabra304 I want a meme comic made of a parody Life as a Catachan with a Karen Catachan bitching about how not enough things are being killed around her home but only kills them when they're in her specific home space
It's the same in the fantasy version. In some novels, Empire is pretty chill place to live and most of the citizens regard stuff like Chaos and Beastmen like nothing more than Old Nan's tales, while in other novels, everyone lives in constant state of fear and paranoia. That's what you get when you employ shitton of different writers, each with their own headcanon.
It can also depends on the time and place where the story goes. When you travel from town to town you might find some beastmen on your way. If you live in a village you might be attacked by bandits or beastmen.
I see it in my head movies!!
And why there's widely conflicting opinions on the various writters
@@jkgf4671 Considering all the threats out there that villages have to deal with, I think it's safe to say that your typical village in general is made up of surprisingly capable warriors and marksmen because defense is now just as critical as maintaining their fields.
@@patrickmcginty3234 As propably state mandaited. If I remember right in medieval england eny man needed to train whit a longbow after church so when draft came there will be decent bow men to serve.
*thumbnail*
"You dudes. The Imperial Guard is like pretty chill. You should join it or something." - handsome Guardsman recruitment icon.
“Hot Imperial Guardsmen are purging xenos in YOUR area! Click here to apply!”
Holy fuck it’s the honey pot IDF girls on tik tok tactic.
Step on me king
@@tutompop lmao
@@tutompop Tiktok is heresy in 40k citizen, please complete form a372 in triplicate then report for execution.
Vostroyan's firstborns are most chilled.
Life in the Imperium is the embodiment of "depends on the context".
Life in the Imperium is a life of service to the god emperor, you should be happy you can simply serve his greatness citizen!
*notes name for future review*
@@imperialinquisitor510 I serve no one, especially not your false god!!!
@@humanity600 Yes, no, not that one, the little blue one. Yes, full exterminatus!
*Hangs up comm*
@@imperialinquisitor510 jokes on you this is a Chaos World.
@@humanity600 Cancel the exterminatus, send in the Flesh Tearers and the Marines malevolent to purge the heretics first. Flamers and god machines are authorised!
*Hangs up comm*
Your transition for the cereal product placement was so hilariously shitty I absolutely loved it. Top tier my dude
Like butter 😎
But how are you getting it shipped to Australia when they don't ship here?
@@majorkill how do you ship the cereal to Melbourne their is no option to do that when i try
@@warlorddthorn4173 My mate use to get it freight forwarded and then I would buy it off him. Now they just send it to me directly
I've told them that people wanted it down under. Im waiting to see why they cant send it over to us directly.
@@majorkill we will all be very happy if they expand here to the land down under
The imperium is just so massive that applying a single theme like " everything is soul crushing depressing " is just not good writing , besides the reason we only get stories in these extreme settings is because they sell the best
Yeah, because why do they publish a novel with a pleasure world or a civilized world without Chaos or Genestealers in the middle? It could be boring to some extend and can broke that image of "grimdark" of the franchise
@@JIMT412 exactly
@@JIMT412 I can actually see a love novel based in 40k on a paradise world selling to a certain demographic.
@@ravenmunnin8109 or having an slice of life in different world settings without involving any chaos stuff. The day by day of a forge world worker, the life style on a feral/death world, or even a normal day for a hive world habitant. Not only war has to be shown, I mean, there's more beyond that.
@@JIMT412 Exactly! I would definitely read a book about a forge world worker and how there armours are crafted or there weapons.
Maybe a gang story about someone who has to witness violent gang wars in a hive world.
Or an overseer to an agriculture world. Where they farm whales like cattle to provide meat for the imperium. Or the purging of a world to allow the mass amounts of farming to thrive!
I've always been under the assumption that most 40k worlds are portrayed as shitty due to being worlds located at/near warfronts, so they're undergoing a mass military production phase to support the imperial troops (and survive from the xenos that are incoming), with everything calming down to pretty nice living conditions if the battle is won (emphasis on "if").
Until the Great Rift
The cities that are ruined in Dawn of War look like they were pretty nice before they got demolished.
@@domusavires19
Yeah a peaceful world only needs to be raided once for things to turn to shit for a long time
Then the Great Rift happens
The ones I’ve found that live the most peaceful lives are craft world eldar, IMO. Though this is in warhammer status.
@@viderevero1338
When they aren't being destroyed
i've made quite a realisation. they way the lore is self contradictory, the way the lore is retconned, the way the lore varies massively, and the sheer volume of lore is comparable to the variation, complexity, scale, and contradictions of the Imperium itself.
Lore writers larping as alpharius by being fucking confusing and inconsistent.
Yeah just think about how diverse earth is currently all by itself....then imagine around a million planets of all different size, gravity, temperature , atmosphere, composition, sunlight (ect ect) inhabited over the course of 20-30 thousand years. Plenty of possibilities . Anything you could imagine really.
Perhaps too many writers wanting to establish their own canon but not reading already established lore which ultimately causes some conflicts.
I mean, look at C.S. Goto and Matt Ward. How in the world they managed to keep their jobs for as long as they did really shows how uncaring GW is with lore sometimes.
reminder that 40k lore is whatever you want it to be; a lot of source books like to portray themselves as historical codexes rather than the traditional words of god
like
depending on the book your reading Space Marines can cover 10 meters "in a heart-beat" but then in another novel they die due to arrogance against a wooden stick
Why? Well, from a Watsonian perspective you would say that this is because of the fickleness of information in a galaxy spanning empire and the propaganda game in an authoritarian state such as the Imperium
From a doyalist perspective it's literally just because 40k is 30 years old and out-sources a lot of it's content
Note that Games Workshop knows this btw and uses the Watsonian reasoning to justify the Doyalist reasoning (*Marc Gascogne, chief editor Black Library)
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@@Lunarhermit4637
>reminder that 40k lore is whatever you want it to be
Aye, I've heard of that plenty of times. Nothing is canon yet everything is canon or something.
At the risk of offending people, I always found that stance lazy. Why bother putting in effort to establish canon that people have to work with in order to make things consistent with when you can just write whatever you want and let everyone else pick what they want to be canon or not...I'm using that word too much aren't I?
It could just be me, as I prefer more grounded (probably not using that word correctly) writing as opposed to "don't like it? Well it's not canon so long as you choose it to be!" or something of that nature. Probably reading into this too much but I've seen that argument so much when it comes to lore that I figured I'd bring it up.
Simply put, this post is an IMO.
This reminds me of a quote in Game of Thrones by the Blackfish. He basically says that even in war’s darkest days, for most people in most parts of the world, absolutely nothing is happening. He says this while they’re looking out onto a peaceful and quiet stretch of land that is completely oblivious to the huge war being fought in Westeros. I imagine that this logic also applies to a lot of planets in the Imperium as well.
And most huge wars are only system sized and I doubt any news network in the Empire is reporting on it. Only things like Chaos Crusades and Tyranid Wars are major disasters that affect a large number of worlds. And there're usually centuries if not millenia between such events. For core worlds, the last great disaster was the Horus Heresy, Emperor's Great Crusade and before that the war with the Men of Iron. That's like 10,000 years between such things. Only 1-10% of humanity suffers from some great disaster in their lifetime and 90% of that happens only to fringe worlds.
Of course, things are getting worse. Each Tyranid War is worse than the last, Chaos is becoming more powerful and signs show that great many grand schemes are coming to ahead which spells disaster for the entire Empire.
But majorkill, forgeworlds have some sort of a holiday/rest day called "sector wakes" - where the production facilities of a sector are closed down for routine maintenance, and the workers relocate en masse to a recreational facility.
Source: Death or Glory, a ciaphas cain novel by sandy mitchelle.
Naw forge worlds are very different, compare Metalica and Stygies VIII, I doubt that policy is standard across the Martian Empire
You forget that the Mechanicus has a very different concept of "recreation".
@@TheMaos with a setting as large as 40k theres bound to be different traditions and activities in different worlds. Hell, some places in the damocles gulf celebrate whats basically the burning man.
@@JAMBUILDER08 but recreation is still recreation. And lorewise, this information came from a footnote by an inquisitor of the ordo xenos. If anybody in 40k knows whats happening, it would be the inquisitors.
@@Austin_V That is pretty nice and wholesome
I like to imagine that feudal worlds are less completely medieval and underdeveloped, but more like when the protagonist in a Star Wars film come across a remote village. They farm and live in huts but they have access to basic technologies like computer consoles, speeder vehicles, primitive blasters and droids lying around. Something like that is what I like to imagine in my head cannon as it’s kind of weird to me to imagine medieval stinky peasants who use pitchforks and serve armoured knights etc. Not saying they don’t exist, just that they’d most likely just a bit more developed than what medieval Europe was.
There are such feudal worlds of the type that you describe. But there are probably tens of thousands or more of feudal worlds in which indeed the vast majority of the population do not own and very rarely or never have access to such modern technologies. They are indeed mostly like Earth of the European early Middle Ages to the early Renaissance Age.
My take is that this is true of some feudal worlds, paticularly those which the Imperium takes some interest in, but that many are simply fossils, relic populations of humans from before the Age of Strife who have been cut off from the rest of humanity so completely and for so long that any technology that relies to any extent on outisders or outside resources has been completely lost, along with knowledge of the outside world. Many of these worlds belong to the Imperium only in the most nominal sense, and it's quite possible some of those worlds might die out or be destroyed by xenos without the Imperium even being aware of it for centuries.
I like your version
I'd imagine that majority of people on the feudal worlds are kept generally ignorant of it all, but the ruling class would have some tech and connection to the Imperium, just kept out of sight from the the populace. That way they can keep their control over the world, while the Imperium gets its tithes, leaving both sides happy. Though it would be neat to get more backwater/outer rim type stories in 40k.
It makes sense. If the world has no industrial capacity, no ability to manufacture advanced tech, it would all have to be imported.
‘It has long been in your capability to transform these worlds. Baal Primus is dead, but you need not let your remaining people suffer unnecessarily. Will they fight any better for dwelling on a world that kills them? By sacrificing their children to the Emperor’s service, they have earned a better life. Once you have torn that blasphemy down, raise up the population of Baal Secundus. Teach them what we are fighting for. A line must be drawn between what is good and what is evil, for if the Great Enemy comes with offers of power to a wretch, what reason does he have to refuse hell if he dwells in it already?
/Roboute Guilliman
Well, Guilliman actually cares about humanity, can you say the same about High Lords or other people in power?
@@jkgf4671 Good thing Guilliman eliminate those High Lords when they tried to launch a coup at him and failed.
@@TheWarmachine375 he didn't kill all of them, and why would that make anyone in power start carrying about other humans lives and their standart of living? If they didn't care earlier they won't start now.
@@jkgf4671 In fairness, the High Lords didn't really like Guilliman for ruining the status quo they have maintained for 10,000 years when he came back and took charge of the Imperium as the Lord Commander to reform it and make it better no matter what.
@@jkgf4671 They would follow him as an example:
'I don't know where you came from,' he said, 'and I no longer care. I have never heard a truer son of Macragge. Your father lies slain, not a kilometre from here, and you have just spoken calmly and clearly in the face of his murderer. You put the needs of the senate before your own pain. You are an example, Roboute Guilliman.' He looked around the hall. 'To all of us.'
I shook my head but, before I could reply, the man next to him removed his wreath and dropped it beside Adarin's. Then another man did the same. One by one, the patricians all pushed forwards to drop wreaths at my feet until I was surrounded by a pile of golden leaves.
Pride and shock rooted me to the spot. 'Macragge will endure,' I whispered, thinking again of my father's prophecy, not intending to be heard.
The acoustics of the hall snatched my words and cast them across the crowd.
'Macragge will endure!' replied five hundred voices, as the council began to kneel.
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Forge world workers are given 1 week off while their stations are maintained each year, and there's plenty of non-servitor workers, Haldron 44 from the Skitarius book was a worker before joining the Skitarii
True. Though I do sort of get the image that a 'Worker' on a Forge World isn't exactly a baseline Human. I'd honestly be surprised if the average Forge World Worker didn't have significant mechanical enhancements (relative to 'standard' Imperial Workers, I mean).
@@saj2392 The way I understand it, most forge worlds view getting to have mechanical enhancements as being blessed, so your plumber won't likely get to have one- unless they fix the pipes of the nuclear reactor keeping the fabricator general's holy furby alive. If the general populous of a forge world has more mechanical 'enhancements' than other Imperial worlds, then they're cheaper versions, and entirely the result of workplace hazards and less from _seeking_ improvements
@@saj2392 an average forgeworker doesn't actually get augments because theyre disposable, haldron 44 specifically mentions how he had tattoos of augmetics on himself because he could only dream of getting them at the time
@@saj2392 One of the Cain novels mentions that at least some Forge Worlds have quite a large baseline human population as nearby Imperial Worlds send labourers to act as menial/low-skill labour on nearby Forge Worlds essentially as a form of payment for the goods from the Forge World. There are also Industrial Worlds, which are Forge Worlds owned by Terra, not Mars who probably have an even higher ration of baseline humans to Tech Priests
@@johnfraire6931 Wouldn't you want only blessed people working on your holy machines? If you were zealous maniac.
That intro won't ever get old. That's how good it is
Good day, gai and gals
@@mrprimarch6484 I was talking bout the animation, but yeah thats good too
@@leafcultist It looks so badass
@@TheWarmachine375 Indeed
It is indeed a good intro
8:06 "If you can survive in Necromunda, then you're welcome here." - Qrow Branwen probably.
Gee I didn’t know rwby went “grimm”dark
@@kaydenkuah3844 Scars is pretty much a strange balance between Grimdark and Grimderp
@@kaydenkuah3844 Honestly, with a bit of tweaking, the setting of RWBY would make a lot of sense as a planet that had fallen to shit during the Age of Strife, hanging on to continued existence using its class of superior warriors against an endless tide of soulless monstrosities produced by an immortal fleshcrafter. Hardest part to integrate would be the Aura, since that'd probably be considered psychic power but you'd expect a world like Remnant to be a lot worse to psykers considering what probably caused things to go so wrong there to begin with.
A million worlds you are going to get some variety. Everyone working like they were in a Soviet gulag? At 80% casualties you aren't going to last 10K years
The real grimdark is in the ubiquitous nature of servitors, not the work hours of the average Imperial subject. That's a whole lot of condemned prisoners.
And EVERYONE would turn to chaos because why would you not
@@Morrigi192 Aren't most of the vat grown?
A lot of those authors get their lore from the wikis so I don't know how much of a lore authority they really are, beyond the material they created wholesale.
Quite right, what makes that nerds opinion less heretical than the other nerds. They got paid? Sounds heretical to me
@@tutompop cause they right the lore.
@@hellblaze10 and you clearly don’t write much
@@hellblaze10 but do we really care what they right?
@@seanreynolds7369 only the left. Accept no substrates.
Just as an example, the Dark Angels explicitly only recruit from Feral and Death worlds.
Supreme Chapter Master Azrael is from a frozen almost-death world that was stuck in the dark ages, he was basically a feral child that carried rotting frozen heads from people he killed on him, and he turned out to be a brilliant commander and tactician.
People forget that alot of these Grim Dark moments of hive fleets devouring worlds and chaos enslaving and torturing entire systems are not as frequent as they seem, they only happen to a handful of world's over decades, centuries or if not thousands of years, even the continuous wars are very slow drawn out conflicts, so the million worlds don't need to be enslaved to building up the armies of man since each battle, even your average inquisitor will only deal with 1 major chaos threat in their life
The best illustration of “not everything is one way and there are huge differences of doctrine, culture, etc” is probably the Gaunts Ghosts series.
You can go from hellish meat grinders to intelligently commanded battles, from fodder regiments to respected and valued ones, from people loyal to the throne first to more locally minded people who barely have cause to care for the wider Imperium, and from Idyllic worlds to death planets fairly rapidly.
I also like how the series fleshes out the culture of the heretical societies that live in the chaos occupied regions. To them, they are defending their long-standing culture and “liberating” the loyalists from a twisted dogma that denies them the true way. The books manage this perspective without devolving into “the bad guys are just as good as the good guys” trope.
It also depends on how the world is ruled since the Imperium does not care how a world its ruled so long it pays its tithes, worships the Emperor and is loyal.
There's probably even planetary rivalries due diffrences of values and how they worship the Emperor.
Hell the ecclesiarchy is probably flexible on how one can worship the Emperor which can vary in shape or form depending on the world some will have human/xeno sacrifices and some can have the same or mixture of rituals like in IRL religions.
Best worlds to live in are usually civilized worlds, Agri Worlds and Pleasure worlds, however there are outliers as some Hive Worlds can be good places to live in unlike Hives like Necromunda. (40K is basically the same as Gotham, a dark place with pockets of peace.)
Also keep in mind that if you join the astra millitarim. You could spend your whole service without seeing a single Space Marine, Demon or Xeno especially if you are from a civilized world.
My understanding is that the ministorium is flexible to a certain point. While there is an acceptable range of beliefs within the Imperial Cult, one can step out of bounds and into heresy, and even what is considered acceptable may change from time to time.
@@missZoey5387 Correct. The main issue is it must be one god and they must address it as the Emperor of mankind. Other then that it varies wildly. I even heard at one point an agri-ocean world worshipped the god-emperor as an embodiment of the sea much like Poseidon.
You should do a video series about the main warhammer authors like adb, Dan Abnett etc... like what books they wrote, games they worked on..
This was fun. I do tend to feel that the average life on an Imperial world is shittier than this; the Imperium, as a people, doesn't feel a need to treat people like people, but as one more resource to spend as needed. If a Planetary Governor WANTS to operate his world in a way many fans of the grimdark setting seem to think it is, they totally can, and nothing short of an uprising will stop it. That's why he has the best planetary troops.
HOWEVER, to think that every world is that bad is dumb. Are there Administratum planets where people mindlessly record info, are brought food once a day, and sleep for four hours, feet away from where you work? I'm sure there are, and the Imperium knows it can work you to death; you have no one to help you, and plenty to replace you, but then that's only if the governing body WANTS it like that. There are plenty of better places. I presume part of it is just to try and depict what the main characters of the story have arisen from, and what shaped them. I've read Angel of Fire, the first Macharian Chronicles book, and Leo Lemuel, while his planet is somewhat crap, lives a pretty average life. He has an apartment, and a job. He has friends, and goes out for fun, at night. His family is crap, but he accepts it. If memory serves, the only real reason he and his friend join the Guard, in order to leave the planet, is to get away from some personal trouble he brought upon himself, and knows will get him killed anyway, so what's the Guard going to do? He's not trying to escape poverty, or a dead-end job his family has had for years, or even to gallantly serve the Emperor, nor was he drafted against his will by some Inquisitor, or Commissar.
It's sort of like Sherlock Holmes. Scotland Yard is one of the greatest law enforcement organizations in the world, or so I've heard, but when Holmes is involved, those bumbling goobs couldn't solve the case of the stolen lunch, or tell their own asses from holes in the ground. There's only so much awesome Sherlock Holmes can have, and then, in order to further exemplify his greatness, you have to enfeeble his peers. To make our humans look suitability more heroic, they sometimes have to make the places they came from all the more crap. On the plus side, since most Guardsmen never get to return home; they either die on their battlefield, or get sent to another one, and spin the autopistol barrel again, it helps explain why it's no big thing they left everyrhing; their family, friends, history, culture, and more behind. On such worlds, who'd WANT to return? Still, plenty of worlds aren't bad; it just makes for a more grimdark story if this one is.
Great Rift pretty much made life in the Imperium shitty
Oof, poor Sherlock
If you run a factory you don't smash your machines likewise the imperium may view it people as nothing more than an asset however you want your asset to last a long time so you try not to ram the ass out of it
The problem is Human psychology. Unless 40k Humans are not Humans as we understand, a life of servitude and anguish is no life and it will end, and end very quickly. Most worlds would simply HAVE to be "normal".A governor who chose to rule like a slave lord would quickly find him or herself on a death world quite quickly.
Space Wolves lace meat with hormones to begin the Astartes conversion process - Major Kill's chapter uses ersatz fruity pebbles instead
Space Wolves are the best Marines. All other space marines are little girl.
@@hawk66100 who's the best marines? Yes you are, yes you are. God boy go fetch.
@@hawk66100 I'm surprised you can speak eloquently while sucking yer own dick. ya fuckin furry
Every writer has their strengths and weaknesses. Demski bowden is good for stuff that needs to actually be grim dark, like chaos space marines (his night lords books are good) , but the problem is he also writes absolutely everything and everyone else that way in all his books.
Could you imagine a feudal world novel? Imagine a rebel creating a revolution to take down the tyrant ruler and believing to have overthrown the greatest threat in his world only for giants in armor to come and slaughter him and his friends for questioning an Imperium from the stars he has never heard of.
Abnett's ability to describe various worlds and locations is a treat. Really feel like a 40k tour. Just the swamps of Monthax and the Carnival is still pict recorded in my brain and I only had one read through of books containing those a decade ago.
We need a compilation video of everytime Majorkill says 'hectic'
It would be VERY long video
5:34 *sees the lady's legs*
TFS Broly: "That's hot."
Contemplating if I should get access to a boat load of Warhammer hentai
Janitor in the Imperial Palace, the safest place in the Galaxy, the only issue is that you have to polish the Custodes all the time, good lord the amount of wax & oil used for that gold
Plus the Pillar Men theme playing all the time.
@@somethinglikethat2176 That is not so bad,...the issues would be emptying the Emperor's piss jars,
0:40 Majorkill loves magic? That's heresy!
*calls the Witch Hunters immediately*
Call our boy Saltzpyre
Nailed it. Abnett is the man! Love the variety we get in his books. Not just 'big men in power armour, fap fap'. I loved seeing the few Astartes in Eisenhorn from the point of view of humans.
Arent they often described as inhuman and without any emotion? It's been a while since I've read the Eisenhorn Series.
@@ultramarinescaptain3840 Yeah, and just not something the average person sees very often, if ever.
@@ultramarinescaptain3840 not directly, they appear rather absurd though. The Librarian that consults Eisenhorn shows some humor, also he has a pointy finger while taking a sip of a tea cup that was made for normal humans
@@Agrargorn that bit made me laugh. Even Eisenhorn is amazed he gets a smile.
holy crap, we found the gal
Would range from shitty life in a hellhole to making our lives look like life in a hellhole in comparison
Yeah like the eastern roman empire
@@vincesettineri yes, if you're in Constantinople you're literally in Holy Terra and if you're in Crimea you're in Fenris and if you're in Athens you're in Macragge and if you're in Italy you're in Imperium nihilus
I remember one 40k book where some Space Marine is listening to an Inquisitor and Scholar go back and forth on what the Tau could be using to get so many Humans to become heretics and "defect" to the Tau's "Greater Good" and internally says to himself that if they ever bothered to look at the conditions regular people are forced to live in and endure, especially by officials who supposedly "Agents of the Empire", they'd realize the Tau don't need mind control or coercion to get people to join at all.
Living in the Imperium is kind of like being in the US military. You might end up in some base in hawaii where they serve steak three nights a week at the chow hall, or you might end up patrolling a Shia neighborhood in Ramadi for 18 months and sleeping 2 hours a night.
Or end up in Fort Hood.
@@shootingbricks8554 Or Emperor forbid, NORTH Fort Hood.
If there were ever an Imperial Governor I'd choose for me, it'd be you mate. It'd be so spicy to be in your inner circle.
Always felt life will vary greatly from planet to planet as each one is somewhat at the whim of the Governor.
Reading A Thousand Sons atm found it interesting to see Ahriman talking in a Siege about how he thinks the Ultramarines had the right of it in leaving planets genuinely better than when they found them compared to the bomb-to-shit-then-onto-the-next behaviour of some other legions.
You should read some of Ciaphas Cain novel, it shows some aspect of civilian lives.
Of course if I'd known what that little book recommendation would lead to, you can be sure I would delete the youtube app and put my phone down straight away.
I loved the excerpt about a children's book teaching about promethium.
"The tracks on the land raider crush the heretics,
crush the heretics,
crush the heretics.
The tracks on the land raider crush the heretics,
all day long!"
If u watch majorkill videos from his earliest to now u see a man gets more and more educated and civilized
I think the Warhammer 40k universe is really similar to stellaris. Forge worlds are basically machine worlds.
Stellaris borrows a lot from Warhammer 40k, Imperial Cult civic, STC tech and the Shroud for examples
@@indrickboreale7381 In fact best army type in stellaris is gene seeded marines. They remind me of space marines.
ADB being a cannibal sounds about right considering what he did to the emperor.
Wait what did he do to the Big E?
@@deadlyydude5522 he was the guy that responsible for retconning the Emperor into being a Saturday morning villain.
@@tomtheconqerur ahh, which book was that in?
@@deadlyydude5522 I think it was emperor of mankind
@@deadlyydude5522 Master Of Mankind
Actually endeared Big E to me due to the end though
Honestly I’ve always wanted to write a novel about a guard regiment from a quite nice pleasant world that gets underestimated constantly because they haven’t been toughened up by harsh living, but actually turn out to be pretty good. It would have a sort of Ciaphas Cain tone to it.
Make them basically a regiment of a world that takes the philosophy of Marcus Aurelius and combines with the the brutality of Caesar. Ie., they know they come from a pretty good world and they offset the relative ease of life with a culture of citizens constantly having to prove their physical and psychological mettle. This can be done by making incredibly harsh sports and relentless academic pursuits a way of life. A world of Renaissance Men and Women. Look up Heinlein quotes on what a man should be able to do.
The most training for the most common sport on this world could make BUD/S look like camping in a cabin with A/C and it's a sport that children play.
Why not write it as a fan fic and post it on a fan fi website?
ooh, ooh! Maybe this regiment only have to deal with a number of Xenos that are the rejects of their species and are quite silly and having decided to try and attack that world, only to fail in silly and fun ways.
This makes a LOT more sense than it all being grimdark. Look at our world, just one planet and how diverse and distinct it is. It stands to reason that the Imperium and all its million worlds would range from one extreme to the other.
Sure, the planet in Infinite & Divine got invaded by orks and then exterminatus'd due to genestealer uprising but literally thousands of peaceful years elapsed in between. For most people who ever lived there life was pretty decent
It was still made out to be a less-than-ideal place, with the oceans drained and biosphere mostly destroyed. The ocean floor was covered in sprawling arcologies too, iirc
It's like with live on earth - Depends where you were born and in what class/family
Here i am, watching a Majorkill video and the moment its over, this one pops up. Good job aussieman.
I remember hearing about one world that was just a bunch of archipelagos where few tribals just fish all day. I always figured if I had to live in the imperium then being on that planet would be my safest bet.
Keep working mate. You will be a living space marine one day.
(If a squat was a space marine)
always nice to see a calm civilized disagreement between creators...
Nearly as bad as living in Australia
I saw a phrase years ago: Everything in Australia is trying to kill you. Or: Everything in Australia can kill you. 🤣
@@hawk66100 It's because of this I always headcanon that Catachans have Aussie accents.
"Strewth, Corporal Jumbuck, willya look at that Catachan Devil. Ain't she a bewdy?"
(Turns around to see Corporal Jumbuck with his head being bitten off by a Venus Mantrap)
"Now... ah'm no expert, but ah reckon that stings a bit."
@Majorkill You should read "The Siege of Castellax". It is a Hive world in the hands of the Iron warriors which gets attacked by a Waagh.
I have the feeling that many ppl, including Aaron Dembski-Bowden, think that normal worlds of the Imperium look like this. But it gets very clear that the harsh conditions under which the workers have to live slowly kill them, even to the point where they are nearly happy that they are getting attacked by a huge Waagh and will probably die.
It is a cool book, if you like to see some Chaos Mariens vs Orks Action without some edgy Bs in it and the story of a normal human that gets recruited as a slave worker and later slave soldier, and tries to survive.
even though hive worlds make up a small percentage of the imperial worlds they have much much larger populations sometimes even into the trillions compared to other types of worlds that may only house a few billion so even though hive worlds are a small minority of the worlds in the imperium they still house most of its populations. most peoples lives on hive worlds are terrible maybe not work till you drop terrible but your still never going to leave your hive the rest of the world is basically a wasteland, you'll be working long hours with restrictive laws effectively no hobbies and little in the way of comforts like decent food or comfortable shelter
Like Chicago
Was going to make the same point. It really depends on what you mean by "most". Most planets... probably not, but in terms of population numbers Hive Worlds probably contribute a fairly significant percentage of the Imperium's total population.
like Victorian london
Despite making up 13% of the Imperium’s total territory hive worlds account for 52% of the Imperium’s total population!
(Also like 60+ percent of all violent crime lol)
As the Major stated, there are strata of the hive worlds. The underclass, which would make up a large minority of the population would be as you say. But the rest of the population, the majority would live average to sumptuous lives.
Majorkill wow you manage to make how Imperium of man look like
thanks for your insights
Simple answer. Depends on the planet.
I live in Mexico city and the lawlessness, dog eats dog, pollution, packed apartment buildings and Santa Muerte cults in the slums have a 40K ring to it.
So does all beautiful palaces and churches downtown along with the opullent wealthy neighboorhood, its indeed quite a Hive City.
So the Eisenhorn novels gotta be a must read with how much lore you always share from them. Might have to go hunt them down then
Sick at home today so I dont have to go to class. Gonna spend a few hours painting models and watching some hectic Aussie lore
6:30 "It's got suburbs" is probably the most grimdark part of any setting.
(Mixed zoning all the way)
That´s kinda the cool thing about 40k in general, you have about 10,000 years to play with and not too many set in stone rules regarding lore. The Imperium could have hundreds of thousands of Grimdark worlds, and just as many that are Grimderp and, well, like ours.
Majorkill: Hive city living? Oh yea, it's honestly pretty chill~
Luetin09: Hive cities are places of condensed human suffering.
Off the top of my head, I can imagine a Forge World as being like Giedi Prime, the Harkonnen homeworld, from Dune; cityworlds as being like Coruscant from Star Wars; agri-worlds as being basically a whole world just like a major industrial farm in Kansas; and death worlds being anything from a whole planet like Australia only nastier to the planet Pandora from Avatar but with a major hard-on for killing anything not native and the means to do it--in other words, the worst parts of Pandora, the Amazon Jungle, and Australia, except with Eiwa, the giant mind controlling Pandora, hopped up on a LOT of crack and speed and all paranoid and psychotic.
GW: "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war."
Everyone: "Yeah it's prolly pretty decent"
I like the idea of somewhat peaceful feudal worlds where people are unaware of the horrors in the 40k universe.
Sort of like the emporium is just leaving them in quiet ignorance.
Yeah, but I know one day in the not too distant future the planet will be invaded by Xenos of some variety. And there simply wont be much reason to defend it.
Man ever since knowing warhammer still brand spanking new all the content especially this one is such a joy
I always thought agriworlds would be like living on a 1800s slave plantation. Nice to know it was much worse.
*Another Major video killing it with the worlds of 40K.*
I mean the average Imperial world would still have populations several times that of ours, considering how bad poverty, exploitation, crime and misery can be on the real earth. I think its fair to say that theres a significantly smaller chance of the average Imperial citizen having a good living situation even if the majority arent born into total destitution.
nonsense. The 40k world is run with an iron fist. Even if the governing body doesnt protect you, the Gangs in your district would consider it vital to protect its denizens. Lives of misery simply are untenable.
i'm a new majorkill fan. but this type content is good for the brain. and most importantly funny. keep on keepin' on.
that’s good interpretation between the various authors contributing content to the WH40K universe
Kids sometimes get their first pets at 7 yrs old. It could be a dog, a cat, a bird etc. A catachan kid at that age must tame a wild bull grox or die trying.
Sounds scary but at 7 years old your average Catachan could just punch it unconscious if it came to that.
On Fenris they have Thunder wolves 🤣
A thing I would like to add about feudal worlds. Historically speaking, the medieval age is not nearly as grim and bad as people think it was. People were not dirty and filthy, things were not all gray and black and people did not just dump their shit in the streets, furthermore most people were not at war most of the time. While it is true that the early medieval age as well as the plague created more extreme situations they still were not as people think and these are more outliers.
I would think that the difference between the feudal age and feudal worlds, feudal worlds would likely have things like actual toilets and running water.
Everytime I hear the word Arbites always comes in my mind.
Attention Citizen!!
Mutiple third party individuals!!
😂😂
"Did I just hear JOINING CHAOS?!!!"
I assert that no matter what the condition of a hivecity it will ALWAYS be a living hell if you live below a certain strata. Population density at that level alone would make it hell, forget the fact everything would be constantly damp and humid.
1:00 me, who ate a cheese and tomato sandwhich for breakfast today, and regularly has fruit and toast instead of cereal: "I don't have such weaknesses".
This video sounds like a travel agency trying its utmost hardest to convince people that the imperium is actually okay to visit
In one of my early Warhammer reads, a young man is conscripted for Imperial Tithe. His world is described much as ours, and he is in fact conscripted from a rural farm.
40K is probably the last sci-fi setting I would want to live in, but, given the variety of planets and conditions and the frankly stupid numbers involved, the odds of actually being somewhere terrible is pretty low.
Just don't be born with any significant Psyker powers or a blank or null. Stay away from Astartes recruitment zones and hope like hell the world you're born on doesn't have a famed Guardsman regiment and you should be fine.
I mean, I can't imagine working as a bar tender on a civilised or pleasure world is generally any worse than working as a bar tender in a IRL tourist trap, if anything the stuff you could overhear might be more interesting.
I think it's interesting how this dude has gotten more professional as his channel went on and he dosint really sware that much
1:17
HOLY SHIT
HE HAS A COMICLY LARGE SPOON
Life is likely "hard" In most cities and planets of the Empire by design. Humans perform at the best when they have something to do and hardships to overcome. The death core of Krieg being the extreme case here.
Pretty much depends on where you are, basically Russian Lolette but on a cosmic scale.
Darkstar? That actually sounds really cool ngl
Life in the Imperium can be chill sometimes, until the Dark Eldar/Orks/Nids/etc decide to crash the party...
Now my question to chat, what kind of world would you like to live on and why?
Me: A warm mountainous pleasure planet, I dont do well in extreme cold, and I have to be constantly entertained.
Magic Spoon tastes like shit and it costs a fortune.
I reckon it's pre tasty, depends what flavours you get
Not everyone’s cup of tea
You should do like a actual timeline of events with your humor for people new to 40k. Like from 20k-42k. (Im still new to 40k and your channel is the best 40k one in general)
Death Worlds have even been known to have redback and funnel web spiders…
My new head canon is that a inquisitor just one day found a feudal world, was gonna colonise it and stuff, but the just saw this dude chilling and herding a flock of sheep, and just changes his mind and leaves the planet.
I remember in second Icenhorn novel they visited agri world that had planet wide network of factory/reaping trains that collected the od crop of the world that left after procesing kinda sticy starch floating down and covering all mutie towns as mutants where used as mine work force
I think majorkills the only guy who gets sponsors from a cereal, which hes shown he actually uses
Read flesh and steel the Warhammer Crime novel. The crime novels are amazing from seeing the world from the bottom up but as a cogboy fanboy this is the best if the bunch.
No truer fact has been said than "No one wants to be a mongoloid". Top work mate
like Quark once said: War is good for business. Your distance to that very war is the important thing.
Man the imperium isn’t that bad. 4 day later. Mass recruiting for guardsmen. 😧
Good Question! Dying and not getting revived again is the best approach of living
Eisenhorn, Caiphus Cain and even the Infinite and the Divine novels all show worlds that are basically no worse than most places in real life, with a lot of the shite being due to the planet itself, rather than the Imperium.
“Imperial citizens live comparable to us”, sounds like grim dark writing at its finest.
Man i miss the days when i thought Warhammer Fantasy took place on some far off Feudal World the Imperium left it's own devices to instead of it being an entirely different pocket dimension. It helped a lot with the Sigprimarch thing.
And you thought that there are also Eldars without their technology and chaos gods are weak for unknown reason?
I really don't. It would be so lame for Fantasy.
@@jkgf4671 yeah, main plotholes were the eldar but maybe they could have been some stupid offshoot that decided to settle on a planet like the exodites or something.