But…why would you buy the oldest, largest, least efficient cartridge that uses the SAME BULLETS as countless other better ones? It’s been improved, buying one in 2024 is dumb. If you already have it, that’s when it’s definitely worth pointing out there’s no reason to change
@@RaymondTusk74Got to hit the BS button on that one buddy. The 30-06 has been described by many experts in the shooting and hunting industry as the most versatile and capable cartridge of all time. And with modern rifles and ammunition, it just keeps getting better and if you handload for the 30-06 you can take that cartridge to a whole new level of precision, accuracy and performance with 110gr bullets to 220gr.
@@roddawe2505It’s not BS, you misunderstand entirely. Of course it’s great, it’s been around for a century. And of course you came handload it to improve performance in your rifle. However, there are better options out there now. A high performing 30-06 handload might just perform like a 300 win mag in the end. There are short action 30 cals that can match or beat 30-06. In the end, it’s the same bullet as many many other new and improved 30 cals and you can push them faster with a smaller cartridge with a more modern case design. Again, it’s a great cartridge, but there is zero reason to buy one new over a multitude of better options. It will die off for that reason in new rifles, but there’s no reason to get rid of your old rifle.
My 35 Whelen shoots 200gr Barnes ttsx @ 2900fps , kicks less than a 300mag and makes a bigger hole . Gets no love , but is a real thumper out to at least 350yds . 225gr Accubonds do 2750 -2800 fps , take your pick . Old Elmer Keith thought it was a good elk round & it's even better today ! Cheers and enjoy
Another vote for 35 Whelen. My 35 Whelen seems to like everything I have loaded into so far and is very mild on the recoil. What a great hard hitting round.
@@michaelwilson9986 it's not boring to me. But some people feel the need to use terms like in this video, " it's outdated." Or make videos titled " is the 30-06 still relevant? " My point is that it's been around so long and proven itself doing so many different tasks well. That it's no longer the shinny new toy to some people. These people apparently succumb to marketing of the next New Thing. I say of it ain't broke don't fix it. But that doesn't make people money now does it? The 30-06 is an Awesome cartridge choice for most applications. And is still a good choice if one has to make do. Best Wishes!
@@Mike-zw7fq Ah Yes The Grass is always greener on the other side of the hill. I agree with you btw in that. I do have however disagree with you in part on the companies " that dosent make em $" Couple examples.. Precision style rifles most notable the Ruger I can't tell ya the # of times when mention somewhere others chim in. WHERES THE 06 Would Buy If Ya Had 1. Others I would get one as well.. etc etc But yet where is it..?? Actually a moot item for me at present. Remington n the 760 7600 Granted there other factors there. Understandable. But the rise in straight walls former slug only areas. A pump action or even non ar type semi auto..Sure seems like a good thing to me. N apparently some others. But where are they... Is there not offering them costing them or making them $ I feel the former. The companies as noted always come up with new n so called better, hate to say often times Gun Writers even get on board the promotion train..Most of us especially those over 35 give or take a few. Understand that. Whats different today is the industry wide it seems effort to kill off the older cartridges n promote there new. This includes cartridges n rifles. As for the comment " outdated" How many times Have you heard that read that etc etc then the promotion of the new wonder whatever.?? Anymore I turn it off. Hopefully it got better n gets better going forward. N others get good info from.Speakung of this " Elk Week Series"
Well there are better options, lessons learned from the 30-06. A model T ford will still get you to the store, doesn’t mean it’s not outdated. I still use a 30-30, it’s an outdated antique lever gun but I like it so I use it instead of functionally better options in my safe. Outdated doesn’t mean useless, it’s just old tech, use it if you like it. I also crab a 6.5CM for some things, no hate on the new from me either I want them all lol
I’m born and raised in Florida, never been west of Texas. But if I ever get the chance to go out west elk hunting, I will specifically get a 300wsm to take with me
I'm exploring the 7PRC as possible go to rifle with less recoil. However, so many in AK say 30 cal seems to kill faster than 7mm, and choose 300 Winchester. On one video this was demonstrated when a distant moose required several 7 Mag well placed shots, from an over the top custom rig. They commented that the 300 Win clearly hit harder and why that guide chose it along with a 45-70 lever gun. Deep down I suspect the 300 Win is the ultimate elk cartridge...for reasons such as manageable recoil, enough power, flat shooting and tons of ammo selection.
Great subject I’m three weeks out from my hunt I’ve waited 23 years to get a tag for.my father always said shoot the largest caliber you can shoot well and use only that rifle for everything.I’m taking his custom 300 weatherby that was left in my care.
Now that Paul Harrell is gone we could really use a Halloween cartridge video done in deadpan style. Best cartridges for zombies and werewolves and such. Please Ron?
71+ year old FUD here. I can’t hunt much anymore due to health conditions BUT from my collection any of the following with a Nosler Partition of the appropriate weight. Hand loaded 6.5x55 140 grain @2750 fps, 270 Winchester 150 grain @ 2850, 7x57 175 grain @ 2575 fps, 300 Savage 150 grain @ 2650, 308 Winchester 150 grain @ 2900 fps or 165 grain @ 2800, 300 H&H (only Magnum I own) 180 grain @ 3000 fps, 358 Winchester 200 grain @ 2500 fps, 338-06 225 grain @ 2550 fps, 35 Whelen 250 grain at 2600 fps, 9.3x62 286 grain @ 2400 fps. I know these are all old like me. Some like the 6.5x55, 300 Savage and 358 Winchester should be kept to not over 300 yards. The others can all be good 350-400 yards. I personally wouldn’t try to shoot much over 300. When sighted dead on at ranges of 225 to 250 yards for maximum effective point blank range with a plain Jane scope they will all do fine. Some like the 7x57 can really benefit from the Long Range Accubond bullet. I’m not a salesman or have any financial interest in Nosler. I just know what works. Some may require a little hold over. All require you to know both drop and drift numbers. ALL REQUIRE YOU TO GET AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE and PUT THAT BULLET IN THE RIGHT SPOT!😊 P.S. Only reason I didn’t list the 30-06 is because I don’t currently own one.
Something I wanted to 7RUM most people say over bore . Now that we have 180,190,195 even 200gr that 7Rum really performs and turns the 7mag into a beast as well . Just saying all the new bullets that we have to choose from now takes alot of the older cartridges to the next level . What do you thank .
@@dundonrl depends on the rifle really there are older rifles that can stabilize heavy bullets. For best results though you would be best to go with a custom faster twist barrel
Lots of great rifle calibers to use. In the end it comes down to bullet construction, bullet placement, and ft-lbs of energy at the target. I seem to recall Ron advocating for 1500 ft-lbs at the target for elk. Most rifles inside 300yds meet 1500 ft-lbs so the first 2 factors are more important. Bonded bullets, all copper, or the venerable Nosler Partition are hard to beat. I can’t go this year. To those of you who can….good luck!
I like my -06, I also carry different cartridges . Back when we had a moose season I'd carry 110 grain in the chamber, first shell in the clip was 180. Now that said and I think the one thing you missed was hunting terrain. Where I am in British Columbia getting shot more than 100 yards was not common, even from the edge of a cut block. So the distance you are shooting makes a difference on what you might want to have. Hell most of our shots are close enough I usually don't have a scope.
@@austinhuber3131It’s so overrated for what it is, and got way more love then it should have during the covid ammo shortage. It does its job, but so many other options do that same job so much better. Grandpas old passed down 308 makes sense, buying a new age hunting rifle in 308 hardly does.
I love my 340 Wby, but there are NO flies on the 35 Whelen, especially with a good 225 at 2700- 2750 fps which is easily attainable in 24" bbl with published manual loads.
All those calibers are more than capable. I think the bullet selection is most important. Many people don't understand the difference between a varmint, cup and core, bonded, interlock, and solid bullets. Bullet construction and shot placement are much more important.
Ironically, it’s (formerly) wildcat in the form of 280 AI has completely superseded it, and is an excellent cartridge. Same mag size as the .30-06 (usually four or five in a magazine as opposed to three or four with a magnum) and performance rivaling the 7mm magnum/PRC with a lot less powder and a little less recoil.
30-06 is not outdated it is the ONLY cartridge I use for hunting anything that walks and crawls versatility is the main goal especially when you have extra tags for other game animals
Great episode love your guest! A question that needs answered first is how far we plan on shooting? 500 yards. BTW I’m not a big fan of 400-800 yard shots on any animal, but I know some people can do it..
Shoot whatever cartridge you want until you’re comfortable with it. That’s how you get comfortable with it. I shoot 6.5 creed 30-06 and 300 weatherby. Get use to it don’t be afraid of it It’s not gunna kill you. All a mind game. 300 win is easy compared to 300 weatherby. 2900-3000 fps vs 32-3300 fps. With a 180 . Big difference. Just shoot the cartridge and get use to it
Listen, I know people have to make content or write stories. Everybody has their favorites, and they all love to argue for their favorite and against others. If you can handle it, 300 Wby will do anything you need done on this continent. For me, the discussion ends there. When I get older and don't want to hump the magnum action, or absorb the recoil (which, between you and me, really isn't that bad) maybe my choice will change. Until then, I've never felt better armed in the field than with a fast 30, and it's hard to beat the 300 Weatherby.
None of the recoil is really that bad, if it’s in a good rifle that fits you. A modern recoil pad can really make a classic firearm much more enjoyable to shoot as well.
I've had a 300 win mag and two rifles in 300 wsm. They both knocked my brains out. I could shoot them both accurately, but at the cost of my shoulder. While sighting in the rifles, it was always 5-10 rounds with time to cool. I ended up last summer selling all three of them. Bought a couple of nice pistols, inherited a beautiful .270 win. (That went straight to the safe), and bought my lovely 6.5prc... I know call me a wimp, but man, it's lights out every time just like the 300s. As a benefit, my shoulder feels better about it as well. For context, I'm 5'6" and weigh 155lbs. My good friend is 6'4" and weighs on a good day 300 lbs, and he hated my 300s. He especially hated my wsm rifles, which, in his defense they seemed to have a snappy kick compared to the 300 win mag. All respect to anyone who keeps theirs, and I still might buy another down the road. I've noticed a lot a folks don't consider the 6.5prc an Elk gun, and I intend on hunting them one day. So I would hate to show up with the 6.5prc and be told by a guide that he thinks I need more gun.
@Accuracy1st I considered buying a "bitch pad" for my Stainless CDL R700 300wsm but decided to sell it after selling the other two. It was my favorite, but it didn't have a threaded barrel. My 300 win mag had a cheap $100 brake on it. It felt more like a spicy 30-06 with the brake. That rifle didn't weigh, but like 8lbs with the scope and mount. The R700 weighed about 9.5 lbs with the scope.
The invention of the monolithic bullets, which are much tougher than old lead core bullets, allows smaller cartridges to be used for big game than in the past. These bullets give good expansion, retain 100% weight and therefore kill larger game than a given cartridge would normally do.
And if you want to have some oddball fun, Remington offered for a good while a .223 sabot load for th 30.06 ! Listed with a mv well above 4000fps.....alleged to be really good at tossing 55 grain projectiles down range really quick, in a fairly random pattern.. Might be a firearm which, if you are 400+ yards away, the safest place to stand might be directly in front of the target.... Worked 5 or 6 years at the Hunt Store at all LL Bean in Maine. Sold thousands of rounds of anything imagined. Never sold a single box of these. Note: all second hand info....never fired one. Don't know anybody who has.....
From the people I know, a russian spin on the moose cartridge: 1. .308 and 7,62x54R, most popular of the larger rifle rounds. There's plenty of them around and for decent price, they come with different bullets for rich and poor buyers. And you can always buy a semiauto rifle chambered for those rounds, so quick and easy follow up shots aren't a problem, and you get quite an advantage on the driven hunt 2. .30-06 - much less popular, but still a decent choice 3. 9,3x62 and 9x53R - former one is an alright option, it delivers a decent punch, but there are import shortages, and Tula Ammo is teasing people with "we'll put it in production soon just you wait". The latter is a true soviet oldtimer choice, the Brezhnev's favourite round, however it's out of production and so are the rifles, so handloading only. 4. 9,3x64 and.375 H&H - nuff said, but if you buy one, you have to invest in some handloading tools as well. 5. Last, but not least - 12 gauge slugs. The most versatile short (up to 70 meters) range kind of gun you may get, and it's not like you're going to shoot far in the dense forest or on a driven hunt. A proper slug (about 1 oz of lead), once it hits, never fails. The most popular kinds of slugs today are Polev slugs (Especially Polev-6, they're great sabot slugs fit for almost every kind of choke), Gualandi slugs, Leningradka-2 (steel sabot slug inspired by Palle Blondeau, popular for it's flat nose so it shouldn't deform or deflect when it hits the tree branches) and Brenneke as well as it's clones or offspring designs (Cheddite, Tekhkrim Uno-35, etc). Old-timers and experimenters prefer 1900s "Ideal" slug by Stendebach, it's improved version - a soviet Meyer slug (tricky to handload but supposedly one of the best slugs for large game), or Palle Blondeau.
With a muzzle braked magnum, everyone adjacent to you is not going to enjoy it. Some guides won’t even let people hunt with brakes because they value their hearing and you frequently don’t get time to put in ear protection. When using guns that don’t kick like mules, a lot of people shoot worse with a brake than they do without due to the concussive blast. Suppressors all the way, though. That said, a suppressed/braked 300 WM will still kick like a .30-06, while a suppressed/braked .30-06 will kick only a little harder than a .243. It’s a huge advantage if you have a flyweight mountain rifle. After handling quite a few rifles and seeing how they perform on game, I’m long over my magnumitis. Most .30-06-tier rifles have enough power for elk for further distances than most people have any business shooting.
Just 'cause I have one and would like your thought... I have a .35 Whelan, Ackley Improved, and shot two inch groups when I inherited it out of it's 50 year home. Haven't tried the 300 yard target but I think it would hold tight. Pre '64 Model 70 Winchester. Any thoughts?
I'd check the bedding, perhaps glass bed it. Perhaps float the barrel. Tune the ammo, try different loads. It should shoot 1.5 to 1 MOA. Great cartridge and rifle. Oh, start with a thorough barrel cleaning. That often helps a lot.
@@cobeerice8933 I prefer it over a .270 and just my experience is the felt recoil. I don’t like 30-06 and .270 because they are so snappy and maybe it’s just me but I don’t get that with my 25-06.
Hello love the video's I know Ron has been to New Zealand a long time ago and Tait I think you have been not long ago do you both have plans of coming back anytime soon
Hey Ron keep up the good work elk week never gets old lol . I have a question what's a good Email to get in touch with you? I have some photos & vedios I would like to show you thank you for your years of articles and content God-bless you and your family God-bless America 🇺🇸
I love my Remington 700 classic 375h&h loaded with 235gr tsx or 235gr Speer Simi Spitzer. I've never hunted anything bigger than a black bear and deer. So it's not my go to deer and bear rifle. And old rem700 300win mag and rem7 7saum. I use partitions in both 180gr and 140/160gr. My first deee rifle was and ruger 77 mark2 270win and then i got my uncles ruger 77 300win mag. The rem 700 300win mag was my dad's and ill never get rid of it. That 375h&h is and tac driver with both loads mentioned earlier. Recoil is not that bad with the 235gr and even the 250gr Sierra gamekings. It's more of and push than and snap. The 77 mark2 270win has more felt Recoil with 150gr partitions and that skeleton stock. I have no idea why they are so sought after. I got my first double with that 375h&h at about 250 and 300 yards and fat doe and a nice 7pt. The doe was and double lung and that buck thought he was getting away. Hit him just behind the last rib on the left side and it exited at the base of the neck on the right side. It kinda flipped him over. You nailed it in the next video, shot placement of the proper bullet is far more important than the delivery or launch platform. Have a great day. Makes me want to pull the 375h&h out of the safe this year its been about 5or6 years to long. I have and fixed 6x cabeles Alaskan guide scope on it. I've always been good at getting on targets quickly and 6x is my happy spot.
Talk about trajectory and wind drift? Would a 308 Win/30-06 still be good for last opportunity at 400 yards on a windy day choice? How might a 300 Weatherby or big 7/28 Nosler compare?
My friends and I agree, 338 win mag has less perceived recoil than a 300 win mag to us in our opinion. We also agree that 338 is smallest we carry in grizzly woods
When I use to work the Gun counter and peopled asked my Opinion on a Cartridge for Hunting Big Game out West. One of my Replies was " I would rather see you shoot a 30-06 with both Eyes Open versus a 300 Mag with both Eyes Closed".
You do not get bullet fragment and damage to meat with a larger caliber as they are a tougher bullet that holds together. I have taken mule dear with my 416 rem mag with hardly any waste. I have also used my 444 marlin with same results. I do however pack my 300 WM 90% of the time and again proper bullet that does not fragment is best. I have always used the Barnes X when they came out before that was partition, and tried to steer clear of cup and core when I could. I use the GMX all copper 165 gr4n in my 300 for everything now, with success I also owned a 375 Ruger and same results little damage. BULLET is the biggest choice especially in smaller calibers as they tend to be lighter and will break up on impact to bone. I have heard so many times hunters saying the 270 is way too much power so I use my 3006 as there is less damage, well the reason was bullet choice not the rifle
Good episode Ron. Personally still believe the ultimate rifle for the lower 48 is the .300 Weatherby. Absolutely love that round. However I am quickly falling in love with my new 7MM Weatherby Mag Mark V
The only problem with the 30-06 is if you buy it as your first gun, you don’t need to buy another rifle ever.
That's why I've always avoided it! Too darned practical and versatile. Who wants to be trapped with just one rifle??? :)
But…why would you buy the oldest, largest, least efficient cartridge that uses the SAME BULLETS as countless other better ones? It’s been improved, buying one in 2024 is dumb. If you already have it, that’s when it’s definitely worth pointing out there’s no reason to change
@@RaymondTusk74Got to hit the BS button on that one buddy. The 30-06 has been described by many experts in the shooting and hunting industry as the most versatile and capable cartridge of all time. And with modern rifles and ammunition, it just keeps getting better and if you handload for the 30-06 you can take that cartridge to a whole new level of precision, accuracy and performance with 110gr bullets to 220gr.
What is this word 'need' that you speak of? Want is enough of a reason for me, lol.
@@roddawe2505It’s not BS, you misunderstand entirely. Of course it’s great, it’s been around for a century. And of course you came handload it to improve performance in your rifle. However, there are better options out there now. A high performing 30-06 handload might just perform like a 300 win mag in the end. There are short action 30 cals that can match or beat 30-06. In the end, it’s the same bullet as many many other new and improved 30 cals and you can push them faster with a smaller cartridge with a more modern case design. Again, it’s a great cartridge, but there is zero reason to buy one new over a multitude of better options. It will die off for that reason in new rifles, but there’s no reason to get rid of your old rifle.
Good ole 30-06
I agree 💯👍! I've taken every big game within the US to include my grizzly with my 30-06! Thanks
30-06, it cannot be denied.
Yes it can
The various different choices of ammo makes the 30-06 very versatile!!
i denied it, and gave the metal to the 300 Winchester Magnum💪
The Win Mags, the lifted truck dick compensation of the center-fire caliber world
It’s fine, but why? There are 50 different improved versions that use the same bullets. It’s been made better for 100 years.
My 35 Whelen shoots 200gr Barnes ttsx @ 2900fps , kicks less than a 300mag and makes a bigger hole . Gets no love , but is a real thumper out to at least 350yds . 225gr Accubonds do 2750 -2800 fps , take your pick . Old Elmer Keith thought it was a good elk round & it's even better today ! Cheers and enjoy
I’ve got one.
Another vote for 35 Whelen. My 35 Whelen seems to like everything I have loaded into so far and is very mild on the recoil. What a great hard hitting round.
"The .30-'06 is never a mistake."-Col. Townsend Whelen.
From hogs deer to elk and moose I have used 30/06 from my 03 Springfield. 😊 I’m sure not changing.
The 30-06 is Not "outdated."
Its so good at everything its simply Boring.
Best Wishes from Montana! M.H.
Alot of 30.06 still in use here ,just bought me a new howa in 30-06. Now I have two of them 06 rifles lol
@@Mike-zw7fq Whats Boring about it?
@@michaelwilson9986 it's not boring to me. But some people feel the need to use terms like in this video, " it's outdated." Or make videos titled " is the 30-06 still relevant? "
My point is that it's been around so long and proven itself doing so many different tasks well. That it's no longer the shinny new toy to some people. These people apparently succumb to marketing of the next New Thing. I say of it ain't broke don't fix it. But that doesn't make people money now does it?
The 30-06 is an Awesome cartridge choice for most applications. And is still a good choice if one has to make do.
Best Wishes!
@@Mike-zw7fq
Ah Yes The Grass is always greener on the other side of the hill.
I agree with you btw in that.
I do have however disagree with you in part on the companies " that dosent make em $"
Couple examples..
Precision style rifles most notable the Ruger I can't tell ya the # of times when mention somewhere others chim in. WHERES THE 06 Would Buy If Ya Had 1. Others I would get one as well.. etc etc But yet where is it..?? Actually a moot item for me at present.
Remington n the 760 7600
Granted there other factors there.
Understandable. But the rise in straight walls former slug only areas. A pump action or even non ar type semi auto..Sure seems like a good thing to me. N apparently some others. But where are they...
Is there not offering them costing them or making them $
I feel the former.
The companies as noted always come up with new n so called better, hate to say often times Gun Writers even get on board the promotion train..Most of us especially those over 35 give or take a few. Understand that.
Whats different today is the industry wide it seems effort to kill off the older cartridges n promote there new. This includes cartridges n rifles. As for the comment " outdated" How many times Have you heard that read that etc etc then the promotion of the new wonder whatever.??
Anymore I turn it off.
Hopefully it got better n gets better going forward. N others get good info from.Speakung of this " Elk Week Series"
Well there are better options, lessons learned from the 30-06. A model T ford will still get you to the store, doesn’t mean it’s not outdated. I still use a 30-30, it’s an outdated antique lever gun but I like it so I use it instead of functionally better options in my safe. Outdated doesn’t mean useless, it’s just old tech, use it if you like it. I also crab a 6.5CM for some things, no hate on the new from me either I want them all lol
Woooo Woooo that 270 looks like 270 Jacks favorite bullet, the ol Remington Bronze Point Cool
270 Win for the win. It did it for me.💪🏼👍🏼 I do own a 300 Win mag though.
It's Elk Week already? I still have my Shark Week decorations up.
Good one, Rick!
My picks are the 280ai and the 35 Whelan but thats just me. If a fellar isnt to familiar with recol the 308 is a great choice.
35 Whelen is an EXCELLENT choice my friend, by far my favorite cartridge (7mm-08 is a close second)
My daughter has dropped two with her .243 one shot each, 264 and 150 yards. Also uses a 7 mm mag.
Trusty 308 (Me), 7mm-08 (Wife), 6.5 PRC (Son)...
I would lean toward the 7 REM Mag but…I wouldn’t want to insult my .270!
270 win and 270wsm for me, 7mm08 for my wife
Speaking of bullets it’s not the sleekest bullet but the old partion has never failed me
I’m born and raised in Florida, never been west of Texas. But if I ever get the chance to go out west elk hunting, I will specifically get a 300wsm to take with me
the 30-06 is king!
I'm exploring the 7PRC as possible go to rifle with less recoil. However, so many in AK say 30 cal seems to kill faster than 7mm, and choose 300 Winchester. On one video this was demonstrated when a distant moose required several 7 Mag well placed shots, from an over the top custom rig. They commented that the 300 Win clearly hit harder and why that guide chose it along with a 45-70 lever gun. Deep down I suspect the 300 Win is the ultimate elk cartridge...for reasons such as manageable recoil, enough power, flat shooting and tons of ammo selection.
Great subject I’m three weeks out from my hunt I’ve waited 23 years to get a tag for.my father always said shoot the largest caliber you can shoot well and use only that rifle for everything.I’m taking his custom 300 weatherby that was left in my care.
Now that Paul Harrell is gone we could really use a Halloween cartridge video done in deadpan style. Best cartridges for zombies and werewolves and such. Please Ron?
Devlin, I wouldn't even attempt to fill Paul's shoes. He was brilliant and had a unique style. RIP.
280ai with 160gn Nosler Partitions.
71+ year old FUD here. I can’t hunt much anymore due to health conditions BUT from my collection any of the following with a Nosler Partition of the appropriate weight. Hand loaded 6.5x55 140 grain @2750 fps, 270 Winchester 150 grain @ 2850, 7x57 175 grain @ 2575 fps, 300 Savage 150 grain @ 2650, 308 Winchester 150 grain @ 2900 fps or 165 grain @ 2800, 300 H&H (only Magnum I own) 180 grain @ 3000 fps, 358 Winchester 200 grain @ 2500 fps, 338-06 225 grain @ 2550 fps, 35 Whelen 250 grain at 2600 fps, 9.3x62 286 grain @ 2400 fps. I know these are all old like me. Some like the 6.5x55, 300 Savage and 358 Winchester should be kept to not over 300 yards. The others can all be good 350-400 yards. I personally wouldn’t try to shoot much over 300. When sighted dead on at ranges of 225 to 250 yards for maximum effective point blank range with a plain Jane scope they will all do fine. Some like the 7x57 can really benefit from the Long Range Accubond bullet. I’m not a salesman or have any financial interest in Nosler. I just know what works. Some may require a little hold over. All require you to know both drop and drift numbers. ALL REQUIRE YOU TO GET AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE and PUT THAT BULLET IN THE RIGHT SPOT!😊 P.S. Only reason I didn’t list the 30-06 is because I don’t currently own one.
6.8 western is 270 with 175 grains done
Love the 6.8 western!! 165 gr accubond lr!
Something I wanted to 7RUM most people say over bore . Now that we have 180,190,195 even 200gr that 7Rum really performs and turns the 7mag into a beast as well . Just saying all the new bullets that we have to choose from now takes alot of the older cartridges to the next level . What do you thank .
Can it stabilize those longer bullets?
@@dundonrl depends on the rifle really there are older rifles that can stabilize heavy bullets. For best results though you would be best to go with a custom faster twist barrel
Yes I have a 9 twist 26in barrel 1/2in groups
I'm surprised some American ammo company hasn't marketed a class of rifle projectiles yet marketed as the "Magic Bullet".
The .284 projectile is the king from way back !
Thanks guys!
6.5prc is recoil friendly and has enough oomph to get er done
6.5x55 still amazing for me :)
Lots of great rifle calibers to use. In the end it comes down to bullet construction, bullet placement, and ft-lbs of energy at the target. I seem to recall Ron advocating for 1500 ft-lbs at the target for elk. Most rifles inside 300yds meet 1500 ft-lbs so the first 2 factors are more important. Bonded bullets, all copper, or the venerable Nosler Partition are hard to beat. I can’t go this year. To those of you who can….good luck!
I like my -06, I also carry different cartridges . Back when we had a moose season I'd carry 110 grain in the chamber, first shell in the clip was 180. Now that said and I think the one thing you missed was hunting terrain. Where I am in British Columbia getting shot more than 100 yards was not common, even from the edge of a cut block. So the distance you are shooting makes a difference on what you might want to have. Hell most of our shots are close enough I usually don't have a scope.
If the 30-06 is out dated, what about the 6.5 Swede? How many moose and elk sized game has it taken over the years? Not to mention Africa.
The 6.5 is outdated as well, that doesn’t mean it stops working. Writing a letter still works, doesn’t mean a email isn’t faster and easier.
@@jaydunbar7538 You must be young because there's nothing outdated about the '06 or the Swede.
In Sweden they use it for Elk over decades now.
When he said “ I’ve shot more elk with the 308 than anything else “ ! Ron almost puked !!
Ask Randy Newberg what he’s harvested the most with. Same answer.
Ron has weird issues with 308 and acts like it's on some kind of decline.
@@austinhuber3131It’s so overrated for what it is, and got way more love then it should have during the covid ammo shortage. It does its job, but so many other options do that same job so much better. Grandpas old passed down 308 makes sense, buying a new age hunting rifle in 308 hardly does.
I love my 280 Rem
.270!
I love my 340 Wby, but there are NO flies on the 35 Whelen, especially with a good 225 at 2700- 2750 fps which is easily attainable in 24" bbl with published manual loads.
You missed the 35 Whelan.
Whelen
I've got a 338 federal but if I had to pick another popular one it would be 3006
338 Federal, it's criminal it isn't more popular
@@Brokeasajoke2 I'm getting 3300 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle with my hand loads. 3" groups at 400 yds
@@rexking3698 whoa! That's no joke, good work!
300 win mag shot a 60in moose 607 yards 190 lrx Barnes great set up
All those calibers are more than capable. I think the bullet selection is most important. Many people don't understand the difference between a varmint, cup and core, bonded, interlock, and solid bullets. Bullet construction and shot placement are much more important.
You'll want to watch our upcoming elk bullets video, Glock. Because you are correct!
Hard to argue with 7mm Rem Mag. I also love my 300 WSM for everything in North America and not feeling under gunned.
280 AI for me. Thanks.
6.8 Western
Agreed!
280 Remington. Should have been way more popular, 30-06 necked to 284. Better terminal than 270, flatter than 06.
Ironically, it’s (formerly) wildcat in the form of 280 AI has completely superseded it, and is an excellent cartridge. Same mag size as the .30-06 (usually four or five in a magazine as opposed to three or four with a magnum) and performance rivaling the 7mm magnum/PRC with a lot less powder and a little less recoil.
30-06, enough said!
30-06 is not outdated it is the ONLY cartridge I use for hunting anything that walks and crawls versatility is the main goal especially when you have extra tags for other game animals
150g core lock in a 7mag, simple and love it
Great episode love your guest! A question that needs answered first is how far we plan on shooting? 500 yards. BTW I’m not a big fan of 400-800 yard shots on any animal, but I know some people can do it..
Shoot whatever cartridge you want until you’re comfortable with it. That’s how you get comfortable with it. I shoot 6.5 creed 30-06 and 300 weatherby. Get use to it don’t be afraid of it It’s not gunna kill you. All a mind game. 300 win is easy compared to 300 weatherby. 2900-3000 fps vs 32-3300 fps. With a 180 . Big difference. Just shoot the cartridge and get use to it
I shoot a 300 win mag, switched from Remington core lokt to barnes 180 grn ttsx drops em
338 Win and you are good to go.
Yup!
100 percent
The Dirty -06!
Listen, I know people have to make content or write stories. Everybody has their favorites, and they all love to argue for their favorite and against others. If you can handle it, 300 Wby will do anything you need done on this continent. For me, the discussion ends there. When I get older and don't want to hump the magnum action, or absorb the recoil (which, between you and me, really isn't that bad) maybe my choice will change. Until then, I've never felt better armed in the field than with a fast 30, and it's hard to beat the 300 Weatherby.
None of the recoil is really that bad, if it’s in a good rifle that fits you. A modern recoil pad can really make a classic firearm much more enjoyable to shoot as well.
@@jaydunbar7538 exactly.
300 wsm best all around cartridge
I'm liking all of mine. Just received my 2nd batch of Lapua brass today. Going to prime them now
I've had a 300 win mag and two rifles in 300 wsm. They both knocked my brains out. I could shoot them both accurately, but at the cost of my shoulder. While sighting in the rifles, it was always 5-10 rounds with time to cool. I ended up last summer selling all three of them. Bought a couple of nice pistols, inherited a beautiful .270 win. (That went straight to the safe), and bought my lovely 6.5prc... I know call me a wimp, but man, it's lights out every time just like the 300s. As a benefit, my shoulder feels better about it as well. For context, I'm 5'6" and weigh 155lbs. My good friend is 6'4" and weighs on a good day 300 lbs, and he hated my 300s. He especially hated my wsm rifles, which, in his defense they seemed to have a snappy kick compared to the 300 win mag. All respect to anyone who keeps theirs, and I still might buy another down the road. I've noticed a lot a folks don't consider the 6.5prc an Elk gun, and I intend on hunting them one day. So I would hate to show up with the 6.5prc and be told by a guide that he thinks I need more gun.
@@devongreen7308 You are not a wimp. I don't like recoil anymore than anyone else but that's why I prefer a brake on magnums
@Accuracy1st I considered buying a "bitch pad" for my Stainless CDL R700 300wsm but decided to sell it after selling the other two. It was my favorite, but it didn't have a threaded barrel. My 300 win mag had a cheap $100 brake on it. It felt more like a spicy 30-06 with the brake. That rifle didn't weigh, but like 8lbs with the scope and mount. The R700 weighed about 9.5 lbs with the scope.
280 AI, 30-338, 338. I have all 3 and all work.
25-06 is a GEM. For me, the 25-06 is a laser beam (for antelope for me).
For Elk, I’m a 338 Win Mag guy.
Right on. Use the right tool for the job.
The invention of the monolithic bullets, which are much tougher than old lead core bullets, allows smaller cartridges to be used for big game than in the past. These bullets give good expansion, retain 100% weight and therefore kill larger game than a given cartridge would normally do.
Fusion bullets is one very good bullet,with my 300 wsm,270 win,308 win,one shot one kill,i prefer Fusion to Barnes bullets!!
What about my favourite the 6.8 Western
And if you want to have some oddball fun, Remington offered for a good while a .223 sabot load for th 30.06 ! Listed with a mv well above 4000fps.....alleged to be really good at tossing 55 grain projectiles down range really quick, in a fairly random pattern..
Might be a firearm which, if you are 400+ yards away, the safest place to stand might be directly in front of the target....
Worked 5 or 6 years at the Hunt Store at all LL Bean in Maine.
Sold thousands of rounds of anything imagined. Never sold a single box of these. Note: all second hand info....never fired one.
Don't know anybody who has.....
303 brit
My buddy has a 325 wsm…
That thing is filthy.🙄👍🥃
Great video. 👍
Good old 270!
From the people I know, a russian spin on the moose cartridge:
1. .308 and 7,62x54R, most popular of the larger rifle rounds. There's plenty of them around and for decent price, they come with different bullets for rich and poor buyers. And you can always buy a semiauto rifle chambered for those rounds, so quick and easy follow up shots aren't a problem, and you get quite an advantage on the driven hunt
2. .30-06 - much less popular, but still a decent choice
3. 9,3x62 and 9x53R - former one is an alright option, it delivers a decent punch, but there are import shortages, and Tula Ammo is teasing people with "we'll put it in production soon just you wait". The latter is a true soviet oldtimer choice, the Brezhnev's favourite round, however it's out of production and so are the rifles, so handloading only.
4. 9,3x64 and.375 H&H - nuff said, but if you buy one, you have to invest in some handloading tools as well.
5. Last, but not least - 12 gauge slugs. The most versatile short (up to 70 meters) range kind of gun you may get, and it's not like you're going to shoot far in the dense forest or on a driven hunt. A proper slug (about 1 oz of lead), once it hits, never fails. The most popular kinds of slugs today are Polev slugs (Especially Polev-6, they're great sabot slugs fit for almost every kind of choke), Gualandi slugs, Leningradka-2 (steel sabot slug inspired by Palle Blondeau, popular for it's flat nose so it shouldn't deform or deflect when it hits the tree branches) and Brenneke as well as it's clones or offspring designs (Cheddite, Tekhkrim Uno-35, etc). Old-timers and experimenters prefer 1900s "Ideal" slug by Stendebach, it's improved version - a soviet Meyer slug (tricky to handload but supposedly one of the best slugs for large game), or Palle Blondeau.
With a muzzle brake or suppressor the magnums don’t kick hard at all. It voids the recoil issues .
With a muzzle braked magnum, everyone adjacent to you is not going to enjoy it. Some guides won’t even let people hunt with brakes because they value their hearing and you frequently don’t get time to put in ear protection. When using guns that don’t kick like mules, a lot of people shoot worse with a brake than they do without due to the concussive blast.
Suppressors all the way, though. That said, a suppressed/braked 300 WM will still kick like a .30-06, while a suppressed/braked .30-06 will kick only a little harder than a .243. It’s a huge advantage if you have a flyweight mountain rifle.
After handling quite a few rifles and seeing how they perform on game, I’m long over my magnumitis. Most .30-06-tier rifles have enough power for elk for further distances than most people have any business shooting.
Just 'cause I have one and would like your thought... I have a .35 Whelan, Ackley Improved, and shot two inch groups when I inherited it out of it's 50 year home. Haven't tried the 300 yard target but I think it would hold tight. Pre '64 Model 70 Winchester. Any thoughts?
I'd check the bedding, perhaps glass bed it. Perhaps float the barrel. Tune the ammo, try different loads. It should shoot 1.5 to 1 MOA. Great cartridge and rifle. Oh, start with a thorough barrel cleaning. That often helps a lot.
25-06 never gets any respect.
Grossly overlooked cartridge.
Is it really any better than 270? A much more common cartridge?
Never underestimate the little quarter bore
@@cobeerice8933 I prefer it over a .270 and just my experience is the felt recoil. I don’t like 30-06 and .270 because they are so snappy and maybe it’s just me but I don’t get that with my 25-06.
No respect at all
Hello love the video's I know Ron has been to New Zealand a long time ago and Tait I think you have been not long ago do you both have plans of coming back anytime soon
Hey Ron keep up the good work elk week never gets old lol . I have a question what's a good Email to get in touch with you? I have some photos & vedios I would like to show you thank you for your years of articles and content God-bless you and your family God-bless America 🇺🇸
I love my Remington 700 classic 375h&h loaded with 235gr tsx or 235gr Speer Simi Spitzer. I've never hunted anything bigger than a black bear and deer. So it's not my go to deer and bear rifle. And old rem700 300win mag and rem7 7saum. I use partitions in both 180gr and 140/160gr. My first deee rifle was and ruger 77 mark2 270win and then i got my uncles ruger 77 300win mag. The rem 700 300win mag was my dad's and ill never get rid of it. That 375h&h is and tac driver with both loads mentioned earlier. Recoil is not that bad with the 235gr and even the 250gr Sierra gamekings.
It's more of and push than and snap. The 77 mark2 270win has more felt Recoil with 150gr partitions and that skeleton stock.
I have no idea why they are so sought after. I got my first double with that 375h&h at about 250 and 300 yards and fat doe and a nice 7pt. The doe was and double lung and that buck thought he was getting away. Hit him just behind the last rib on the left side and it exited at the base of the neck on the right side. It kinda flipped him over. You nailed it in the next video, shot placement of the proper bullet is far more important than the delivery or launch platform. Have a great day.
Makes me want to pull the 375h&h out of the safe this year its been about 5or6 years to long. I have and fixed 6x cabeles Alaskan guide scope on it. I've always been good at getting on targets quickly and 6x is my happy spot.
There are a lot of good calibers, what about the recoil of 300 win mag and 338 win mag. Aren't they similar?
9,3x62 with copper bullet like Sako 613D
Cartridge matters way less as long as it 25 cal and above as the bullet construction does.
You should try the 8,5x55 Blaser!👍
7mm STW for close up or far away shots.
7 SAUM 🔛🔝
300 wsm with a handloaded 180 grain nosler accubond for me.
Hello Tate, I would like to know the barrel length of the .308 rifle(s) that you took all those elk with.
Thank you.
Only bolt rifle I own is a 300 win mag. Also have a single shot in 450 bush. I figure they’ll take care of anything in North America.
7mm Rem Mag
A mild .375 ruger from the Mega Fix by Q. suppressed
Rotational Energy
Regards from Africa 🐘
Talk about trajectory and wind drift? Would a 308 Win/30-06 still be good for last opportunity at 400 yards on a windy day choice? How might a 300 Weatherby or big 7/28 Nosler compare?
If 243win is acceptable for recoil sensitive shooters, is 25-06 access well?
Its a 308 180 gr round a good choice for elk ?
165 grain Federal Fusion.😮
What about 9.3x62?
303 Brit getting it Done
My friends and I agree, 338 win mag has less perceived recoil than a 300 win mag to us in our opinion. We also agree that 338 is smallest we carry in grizzly woods
you have a great point about hunting in grizzly country. i want to say you're right about a 338 or bigger.
@@dankruger2890 thanks !
7mm mag
.270 WBY magnum
7mm mag! Thank you Tate
When I use to work the Gun counter and peopled asked my Opinion on a Cartridge for Hunting Big Game out West.
One of my Replies was " I would rather see you shoot a 30-06 with both Eyes Open versus a 300 Mag with both Eyes Closed".
243 might work, but it’s ridiculous to suggest!
"That gun has too much recoil" Said no cowboy ever...
You do not get bullet fragment and damage to meat with a larger caliber as they are a tougher bullet that holds together. I have taken mule dear with my 416 rem mag with hardly any waste. I have also used my 444 marlin with same results. I do however pack my 300 WM 90% of the time and again proper bullet that does not fragment is best. I have always used the Barnes X when they came out before that was partition, and tried to steer clear of cup and core when I could. I use the GMX all copper 165 gr4n in my 300 for everything now, with success I also owned a 375 Ruger and same results little damage. BULLET is the biggest choice especially in smaller calibers as they tend to be lighter and will break up on impact to bone. I have heard so many times hunters saying the 270 is way too much power so I use my 3006 as there is less damage, well the reason was bullet choice not the rifle
It's the velocity, junior.
@@jasonshults368 Wrong sunshine, it is Bullet construction and my 375 and 416 shot same speed as factory 300 win mag
Whutt about the 264 win mag?
That one is my personal favorite.
I have 300wsm ....
6.8 western all day
Good episode Ron. Personally still believe the ultimate rifle for the lower 48 is the .300 Weatherby. Absolutely love that round. However I am quickly falling in love with my new 7MM Weatherby Mag Mark V