Is There A More Dominion Ship? Battle Cruiser Lore

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  • @hfar_in_the_sky
    @hfar_in_the_sky Місяць тому +37

    My personal headcanon for why Dominion Battle Cruisers and Battleships looks less like an insect when compared to the Jem'hadar fighter is because the Jem'hadar fighter was the Dominion navy's primary tool for "keeping the peace" in their empire. Thus the Jem'hadar fighter was built just as much to intimidate as it was to be efficient, and the insect like appearance was meant to evoke the same fear and dread as seeing an unstoppable swarm of killer insects. It's conveys a sense of "You cannot stop us, for we are infinite and relentless. Rebel against us and we will lay waste to all you hold dear" to the Dominion's subject worlds. A visual design that helps furthers the Dominion's policy of "Order through fear."
    The battle cruiser and the battleship meanwhile is for when the Dominion is facing an enemy that needs more serious muscle. And thus the Dominion springs for simple and brutal efficiency rather aesthetic meant to intimidate. The Jem'hedar fighter still provides the needed intimidation factor, of course. But the BS and BC are for when the Dominion is ready to take off their kid gloves and get serious. Thus why when compared to the Jem'hadar fighter they have a slightly more utilitarian design. These are not Dominion "peacekeeping" ships. These are purely warships by design.
    Again though, that's just my personal headcanon.

    • @bull614
      @bull614 Місяць тому +4

      Hey, it may be your head cannon, but it is well thought out and logical. It works for me, so if you dont mind, im gonna take your input and run with it, lol

    • @hfar_in_the_sky
      @hfar_in_the_sky Місяць тому +1

      @@bull614 lol! Go for it! 👍

    • @bull614
      @bull614 Місяць тому +2

      @@hfar_in_the_sky thanks. Your reasoning will play really nice in my Star Trek RPG my and my friends are currently running. I'm not the greatest GM, and you just helped a lot, lol

    • @alexion2001
      @alexion2001 25 днів тому +2

      I completely agree, once you encounter a species advanced or large enough that "many scary ships with fancy tech" no longer works as an intimidation tactic of 'gunboat diplomacy' there is no need to pretend anymore, and simple intimidation of "fuck that's a big heavily armed battlecruiser" is enough dread to any advanced species.

  • @markvaughan653
    @markvaughan653 Місяць тому +20

    I really appreciate you doing these videos on various Star Trek ships. it's tough to find to find alpha cannon information about these ships and the wiki sites and tech manuals are not always forthcoming. Since you are doing videoes on Dominion ships, please do some on the Breen and Cardassian ships as well. Thanks.

  • @casual_polaroid
    @casual_polaroid Місяць тому +29

    I have been very impressed by this warship since it first appeared! In fact, it's my absolute favorite ship in the Star Trek franchise. In DS9 you didn't even see it drifting or in a defeated state.

    • @MROJPC
      @MROJPC Місяць тому +10

      That is true. You do tend to not see these getting destroyed as much as the Fighters and the Cardassian ships. I figured the Dominion was using the tried-and-true method of using the Cardassians as frontline cannon fodder.

  • @tomxaros48
    @tomxaros48 Місяць тому +25

    I find that ship SO GRACEFUL and Beautiful!

  • @yodaslovetoy
    @yodaslovetoy Місяць тому +103

    "Does it come with a coffee machine?" - Janeway

    • @dot2562
      @dot2562 Місяць тому +3

      can it run crysis

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire Місяць тому +3

      No. Jem Hadar don't drink coffee and neither do Vorta or Founders.
      No. It cannot run Crysis.

    • @UGNAvalon
      @UGNAvalon Місяць тому +2

      “Only weaklings require coffee. 😤”
      _Quietly hides Ketracyl White behind back._

    • @blackc1479
      @blackc1479 Місяць тому +2

      It'll be installed Wednesday

    • @AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter
      @AGTheOSHAViolationsCounter Місяць тому +3

      "There's coffee in that nebula!" - Capitan Insanway.... Probably

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 Місяць тому +11

    Nice shout-out for Venomgeek media.

  • @adamrobinson3123
    @adamrobinson3123 Місяць тому +23

    Give me the vibes of ISD from Star wars, they are designed to work singularly or in small groups to occupy systems distant from support groups. It's a smart design

  • @justinbane100
    @justinbane100 Місяць тому +37

    To be fair, a battle cruiser and a battleship are completely different things. And generally the battleship is bigger. Now we can start every Navy historian trying to explain exactly what a battle cruiser is.😂

    • @vonshroom2068
      @vonshroom2068 Місяць тому +2

      And then they'll say in the end : Depending on the navy a battlecruiser might be a battleship and a battleship might be a battlecruiser but in science fiction the biggest ships are iron clad era ship naming conventions such as the almighty dreadnaught.

    • @Bob6800a
      @Bob6800a Місяць тому +2

      I know the differences, but battle cruiser just sounds cooler.

    • @vonshroom2068
      @vonshroom2068 Місяць тому

      @@Bob6800a True that is why the biggest starship in star wars is a simple destroyer.
      Imperial Star Destroyer.

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant Місяць тому +2

      I thought generally battle cruisers were the same sort of size as a battleship and had similar armament but traded armour for speed, their theoretical role being they could chase down and destroy smaller ships like cruisers that could outrun a battleship.
      In practice they sometimes ended up in the same role as a battleship and did poorly as they couldn't go toe to toe with enemy battleships.

    • @vonshroom2068
      @vonshroom2068 Місяць тому

      @@101Mant Ah yes the italian navy reports in.

  • @laggybum3218
    @laggybum3218 Місяць тому +8

    How timely! I just got done watching the retaking of DS9 from the Dominion!

  • @IamMeHere2See
    @IamMeHere2See Місяць тому +10

    It is my personal headcanon that Shinzon captured one of these in the war & used it as the frame for the Scimitar.
    It definitely makes more sense that the Remans building an entire dreadnought from scratch.

  • @ilejovcevski79
    @ilejovcevski79 Місяць тому +4

    Up to this day, i have a hard time believing how little on-screen presence we got from these ships, or seen them in direct action. And they just happened to be my favorite Dominion ship!!!

  • @Darmok_
    @Darmok_ Місяць тому +7

    I really wish with the Dominion ship designs we got something different and more interesting. Instead of yet another derivative of the basic Klingon bird of prey body and wing layout. I always thought it would’ve been cool if they were less elegant and swooping and more brutalist and monolithic. To better reflect how ancient the Dominion is as well as their repressive caste system hierarchy. Visually similar to something out of a Denis Villeneuve film.

  • @kerviuskuroshiba5120
    @kerviuskuroshiba5120 Місяць тому +2

    Please do a video on the Jem'Hadar Battleship if possible! That girl is a BEAST and I loved her debut in DS9. 😆😁

  • @Gaarafan007
    @Gaarafan007 Місяць тому +2

    I didn't watch much DS9 when I was a kid, just whenever Dad had it on. Therefore, I was unfamiliar with The Dominion when I began to collect and play Star Trek Attack Wing as a member of a strategy gaming club. While I primarily played Romulan, I did collect some Federation, Klingon, and Dominion ships. My Jem'Hadar Fighters, Battlecruisers, and Battleships proved to be rather formidable adversaries for my clubmates. I love the design of these ships, they really scream out 'warship', which was part of the reason I preferred Attack Wing to X-Wing despite being a bigger Star Wars fan than Trekkie. There's just something about capital ship engagements that excites me more than dogfighting.

  • @niefali
    @niefali Місяць тому +8

    I would really like to see a modern design take on the Dominion. What would their ships look like if they returned ?

    • @chrisjohnson1146
      @chrisjohnson1146 Місяць тому +5

      Star Trek Online has delved a bit into making a few updated Dominion designs that can be kitbashed with the canon models. I believe the Attack Ship and Dreadnought (aka battleship) are the two primary with customization options. The Battle Cruiser is in game as well and playable, but far as I know no customization options.

    • @LordTalax
      @LordTalax Місяць тому +1

      @@chrisjohnson1146 Many STO designs are hideous though. ENT-F for example.

  • @WatchingYoutube737
    @WatchingYoutube737 Місяць тому +25

    I still don't get why dominion ships need a Carnival Cruise amount of windows.

    • @jasonpeacock9735
      @jasonpeacock9735 Місяць тому +6

      Makes up for the lack of view screen on the bridge

    • @DracoStarcloud
      @DracoStarcloud Місяць тому +15

      It's so the Jem'hadar can lean out and shoot their rifles at starships.

    • @barrybend7189
      @barrybend7189 Місяць тому +4

      More windows so prisoners can look out and see their planets being bombarded.

    • @101Mant
      @101Mant Місяць тому +1

      No ships that are designed to get into fights should have windows. You won't see anything even in a fight it's too far away and it's a big structural weakness.
      I guess in Trek it's all shields and integrity fields and if those go the ship designers figure you are dead anyway, except for the Defiant

    • @LordTalax
      @LordTalax Місяць тому

      @@101Mant Not like the windows are glass anyways, it's a transparent metal so it's as strong as the hull.

  • @Momo-tc7sc
    @Momo-tc7sc Місяць тому +7

    I’ve always wanted to see this ship in battle. I’d love to see it go up against a Galaxy or Sovereign!

    • @BNuts
      @BNuts Місяць тому +1

      Too bad we can't easily do duels in _STO_ . Well, there's another game that does vs, but I forget what it's called.

  • @timr8582
    @timr8582 Місяць тому +1

    Big fan of you, Rick, as well as Lt. Cmr. Adam and Venom Geek. 3 different styles of storytelling and all with your own interpretations of the lore. But always entertaining. Keep up the good work.

  • @icefire5799
    @icefire5799 Місяць тому +6

    Axiliary warpcores as it is a warship and needs to operate selfsuficiently

  • @LackofFaithify
    @LackofFaithify Місяць тому +4

    Battlecruiser and Battleship are pretty distinct terms. Anyone that has treated them as the same in real life has had a bad time.

    • @nsr-ints
      @nsr-ints Місяць тому +3

      Many doesn't live long enough to regret it, however.

  • @50043211
    @50043211 Місяць тому +4

    That the Dominion to this day does not want to share technical data and design origins with SF is so rude!

  • @Brando501st
    @Brando501st Місяць тому +1

    Great video! When you're watching DS9 it is a little hard to quickly tell the war cruiser and war ship apart 😆

  • @NoBudjetFilms
    @NoBudjetFilms Місяць тому

    I have one of these in STO, I use it as a mass bombardment weapon. Not particularly maneuverable, but I line up all of the heaviest weapons I could get on it's forward mounts to aim at the target. That many energy weapons rapid firing is usually enough to severely weaken shields and then I unleash tons of Console mounted torpedoes/ordnance all at once. Typically rips Borg Cubes apart in short order.

  • @saladinbob
    @saladinbob Місяць тому +1

    How can you not see the inspiration? The moment you said that it jumped out at me. The design language, the flow of the lines is identical.

  • @randylewis1779
    @randylewis1779 Місяць тому +1

    One of the most beautiful ships next to a borg cube

  • @thestanleys3657
    @thestanleys3657 Місяць тому +2

    I wonder if this ship gave some inspiration for the design of the Scimitar

  • @TheStarforce2
    @TheStarforce2 Місяць тому

    We really needed more combat with these guys. Most combat was fleet style or bugs not 1v1 or regular ship to ship with these guys

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Місяць тому

    Right off the bat, a vessel drifting among the yellow and blue cosmos.

  • @Graham6410
    @Graham6410 Місяць тому +1

    In some ways it also reminds me of the Reman Schimitar ship as well.

  • @Nalehw
    @Nalehw Місяць тому

    I do love this channel's fake UI elements. Reflavouring them for each civ you cover is so cool.

  • @Cailean556
    @Cailean556 Місяць тому

    This ship is *my* favourite ship design across all of Star Trek, the Dominion Battleship (I don't mistake the two) comes in second.

  • @glitterboy2098
    @glitterboy2098 Місяць тому +1

    i personally suspect that the visual differences within the class are due to how the dominion builds its stuff. we know that members like the karemma get contracts to build the weapons and ships of the dominion, and i suspect that there are 2-3 other groups within the Dominion that also do such things, given the Karemma represenative that talks about the contracts refers to them having won the bidding to fulfill them. so i'd guess that the different visual sub-versions represent ships built at different member world shipyards. all working off mostly the same plan and specs, but each with slight differences to accommodate the construction techniques and manufacturing of each member world involved.

  • @jdsim9173
    @jdsim9173 26 днів тому

    That is a gorgeous ship.

  • @Alteringrealitystudios
    @Alteringrealitystudios Місяць тому +1

    Hey Rick did you ever do an explained video about those odd aliens that the Packleds were poisoning. In the Voyager ep. The Void? 😅 Just wondering.

  • @Reddotzebra
    @Reddotzebra Місяць тому +1

    These are the Star Destroyers of the Dominion.

  • @MatthewBluefox
    @MatthewBluefox Місяць тому

    The "Jem'Hadar Light Battlecruiser" is sadly only a luckbox ship in STO, I am using it on one character only (Eris, a Vorta FED TAC female). I hope it will go Legendary some day, ideally with the Keldon / Galor and the Leg'var in a bundle this year.

  • @marginbuu212
    @marginbuu212 Місяць тому +3

    Not enough food for your population? Then adjust the population level for the amount of available food. AKA the Thanos solution.

  • @sharkdentures3247
    @sharkdentures3247 Місяць тому

    Apparently, it DOES ferry "dignitaries", but it seems it would have to be the very highest level of dignitaries (like an actual FOUNDER) to merit THIS vessel as its means of conveyance!
    I do like the harsher, sharper & more angular style of this ship. It does convey a more "aggressive" mindset. (Somewhat similar to Klingons, but , but unlike the Federation with its more rounded styling.)

  • @davidponseigo8811
    @davidponseigo8811 Місяць тому +1

    Your channel is so much better than Trek yards.Your channel along with Vemom Geek Media and TriAng are my favorites. I'm not very fond of Lore Reloaded either.

    • @ytviewr
      @ytviewr Місяць тому

      What is triang?

  • @afoolandhismoneychannel
    @afoolandhismoneychannel Місяць тому +6

    But how many chairs are on board?

    • @drewf41
      @drewf41 Місяць тому +2

      I think its one per view-screen.

    • @WatchingYoutube737
      @WatchingYoutube737 Місяць тому +2

      @@afoolandhismoneychannel 1 per window, so each Jem’Hadar can be inspired to write fan fic about dying for the founders.

    • @Chronicle-in8vu
      @Chronicle-in8vu Місяць тому +2

      Chairs aside does it come with a free gift from Temu...

  • @kevreid82
    @kevreid82 Місяць тому

    I think the bigger the ship, the easier it would be to repair in the field. Since seemingly all star trek races have fusion power and all they need is the most abundant resource in the universe to power it, and replicators, it would be easy to replicate materials to repair ships. Voyager should have looked like galactica with damage from every battle accumulating over time but it was repaired repeatedly. A smaller ship with a smaller crew like a bird of prey, defiant, or jem hadsr attack ship would seem to be more difficult to repair while deployed because of the lack of personnel, and lack of space to move people to while sections of the ship are inoperable.

  • @TheFreelancer131
    @TheFreelancer131 Місяць тому

    Trek Central May of gotten it out sooner But I prefer this channel ;) even if your a disco fan Xp

  • @jamesabernethy7896
    @jamesabernethy7896 Місяць тому

    I think that Star Trek does a great job creating designs and design languages for the major powers. Although I don't Play STO, it is a great source for other designs. There are great designs from other games and Fan art too. The Jem-Hadar ships have blade-like qualities.

  • @artificialgravitas8954
    @artificialgravitas8954 Місяць тому

    Honestly my favorite Star Trek ship design

  • @stevencoardvenice
    @stevencoardvenice Місяць тому

    Obedience means victory.
    And victory IS LIFE

  • @LordTalax
    @LordTalax Місяць тому

    I see they put windows on there though, unlike the smaller attack ship which could only use the headset to see outside.

  • @hi-q2261
    @hi-q2261 Місяць тому

    Please do an episode on The kar'takinof the Jem'Hadar, & The Klingon Bat'leth. 🙏

  • @MAZE4
    @MAZE4 Місяць тому

    It started out with pointed down wings, but they became more horizontal.

  • @LokiOdinson-fz8ps
    @LokiOdinson-fz8ps Місяць тому

    It might have been a later model A-4 with the Avionics failings on the back above the wings.

  • @TheTurbinator
    @TheTurbinator Місяць тому

    Why the fuck was I unsubscribed from this channel?! I never did that, I just had to re-subscribe. I haven't seen a video from you for MONTHS!!

  • @nunya3163
    @nunya3163 Місяць тому

    I wonder, did the Dominion use some form of stasis when transporting their troops on these ships? It seems to me that it would be a great way to preserve their supply of white, until the troops are ready to begin landing.

  • @Dragonwolfworm
    @Dragonwolfworm Місяць тому +1

    The fact we never got Star Trek Armada 3 with the Dominion as a playable faction still disappoints me.

  • @michaelmutranowski123
    @michaelmutranowski123 Місяць тому

    I really do like this ship.

  • @originaluddite
    @originaluddite Місяць тому

    This looks cool but somehow lacks character. The Dominion ship with the insect abdomen-like back section looks way more distinctive. As for naming conventions - maybe the Founders just have no imagination. :)

  • @AmeliaNeek
    @AmeliaNeek Місяць тому

    Any chance of covering the D'kora class Ferengi Marauder?

  • @TimberWolf99
    @TimberWolf99 Місяць тому

    One of my few complaints with DS9 is how it simplified starship combat, and that simplification (along with executive bullshit that I won't blame DS9 for) meaning that we never got a lore-accurate slugfest between a Battlecruiser and a Galaxy, or even better a Battlecruiser (or Battleship) and a Sovereign.

  • @ravoniesravenshir3926
    @ravoniesravenshir3926 Місяць тому

    The Control Borg Next?

  • @aurorajones8481
    @aurorajones8481 Місяць тому +1

    1:33 What a great idea to store your antimater on exposed pods on the tips of your wings. Very smart. The realities of that would be a torpedo, plasma, or phaser fire on an ANTIMATER STORAGE TANK to be inherently DANGEROUS! *insert eye roll here*

    • @aurorajones8481
      @aurorajones8481 Місяць тому +1

      Id go with the tanks being stored internally, with mis/dis information pertaining to them being on the wingtips for inaccurate targeting purposes. Perhaps those areas being equipt with energy dampners allowing them to soak up enemy fire... Ill go w/ that. They did get wrong targeting on the "RED SQUAD" episode which goes with what i just said. I DEEM IT CANNON!

  • @JemHadar422
    @JemHadar422 Місяць тому

    Even the Vorta serves the Founders

  • @seansteinbacher6449
    @seansteinbacher6449 Місяць тому

    The Dominion battle cruiser could be a 4 nacelle ship aswell

  • @captainzac24
    @captainzac24 Місяць тому +1

    So it's basically a stardestroyer

  • @teehasheestower
    @teehasheestower Місяць тому

    Also I don't think you see the Skyhawk because you'd have to turn it upside down to see it.

  • @USS_Sentinel
    @USS_Sentinel Місяць тому

    So these beauties are the Dominion version of an Imperial Star Destroyer.

  • @jimmyryan5880
    @jimmyryan5880 Місяць тому +1

    Why do they need 2000 if you're not counting troops?

  • @AC20sAkimbo
    @AC20sAkimbo Місяць тому +1

    I agree what the Dominion call a fighter is just dumb, maybe thats a weird translation thing from Dominonese?
    Edit: any progress on the difference between horizontal and vertical warp drives?

  • @Shatterverse
    @Shatterverse Місяць тому +1

    How do you complain about the existence of both a battle cruiser and battleship? This are actual classifications of ships.

    • @nsr-ints
      @nsr-ints Місяць тому

      Many who confuses the two rarely ever live long enough to regret it.

  • @gethinjones1944
    @gethinjones1944 Місяць тому

    What I don’t get is there must be more than one vorta on these kinds of ship? Are they the technicians engineers scientists? How many first are there as it seems units are groups of six or eight? Do the species they conquered serve in some capacity as can’t think they won’t when the provide weapons and technology?

  • @shaytepes7351
    @shaytepes7351 Місяць тому

    Not too sure how well a salt ship can take shots.

  • @trekwars5400
    @trekwars5400 Місяць тому

    Hi Rick 👋

  • @StarMandoForge
    @StarMandoForge Місяць тому

    The ship was also called a battleship in DS9 season 5

  • @Allosaurus87
    @Allosaurus87 Місяць тому +1

    dominion does not have replicators?

  • @hanshawks5088
    @hanshawks5088 Місяць тому

    O'Brien does it have a Bar 🍺🍺

  • @TheStarforce2
    @TheStarforce2 Місяць тому

    I do like the fact that I feel like I am listening to national geographic for ships...

  • @3Rayfire
    @3Rayfire Місяць тому +1

    I don't know why but Dominion ships scream Egyptian style to me.

  • @grahamturner1290
    @grahamturner1290 Місяць тому +1

    🖖

  • @TheImperialAnswer
    @TheImperialAnswer Місяць тому

    To be fair, isn't that ship a battleship in STO?
    And the battleship itself is now a dreadnought?

  • @bristolwriter2254
    @bristolwriter2254 Місяць тому

    Always thought the top of the ship looks like a fairy cake.

  • @rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290
    @rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 Місяць тому

    Some people are too dumb for the own good. There is no way anyone could confuse this ship with the Dominion Battleship.

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Місяць тому

    SPACE!!!

  • @keithwiggins3131
    @keithwiggins3131 Місяць тому

    The Dominion came really really close in defenting the federation if it wasn't for the worm hole alien's. The Dominion ship's to me were way cooler then the romulan warbirds like this ship right here.

  • @teehasheestower
    @teehasheestower Місяць тому

    The most dominion ship of all time.

  • @DOOMocrat
    @DOOMocrat Місяць тому +4

    My ST:O daily driver. Big beams and fighters. Turns like a Newsstand. Don't care.

  • @feralprocessor9853
    @feralprocessor9853 Місяць тому

    Straight away, an American airplane.

  • @hanshawks5088
    @hanshawks5088 Місяць тому +2

    It looks to much like a Klingon ship

  • @mateo_sid
    @mateo_sid Місяць тому

  • @yodaslovetoy
    @yodaslovetoy Місяць тому +15

    Jem'hadar fighter springs to mind....

    • @kesn8317
      @kesn8317 Місяць тому +1

      vanguard dreadnought and carrier comes to mind...

  • @qhu3878
    @qhu3878 Місяць тому

    sup

  • @dibaterman
    @dibaterman Місяць тому

    Bare with me, but I think the Dominion ruined Trek.
    I think that people tuned in for the Dominion stuff more for the invested time and world building than the Dominion itself. So in that I think everything about the DS9 was great sci-fi writing but bat Trek writing. As a result you now have movie Trek as the standard which comes off as generic sci-fi but loses the audience that wanted for the boldly going of the series and alien to human complications therein.

  • @casbot71
    @casbot71 Місяць тому

    Hmm, how would it fair against a Starfleet ship of the line from the Picard Series era?
    Say an Inquiry or Excelsior 2 class?
    Because the Dominion were pretty stagnant with their technology, they had existed for over 2000 years. You give Starfleet 2000 years and they're going to be building Tardises with the firepower of the Suncrusher.

  • @paulkirby2761
    @paulkirby2761 Місяць тому

    Larger dominion ships always seemed rushed, lazy and low budget to me... and by that I mean the IRL designers obviously, not the Dominion 😂.
    They smack of Klingon Vorcha spliced with a few other classic spaceship with wings with warp engines on the tips... very dull and boring. Scale it up or down accordingly lazy sort of design.

  • @danielduncan6806
    @danielduncan6806 Місяць тому

    So at this point you're just an STO ad. Copy that. It was a nice run.

    • @xp8969
      @xp8969 Місяць тому +1

      First day on UA-cam? No worries, l'lI help you to understand how it works,, UA-cam doesn't pay the content creators to create the content you're watching for free so selling ads is how they pay their rent and feed their families, kinda like how you expect a paycheck from your job to feed your family for the work you do

    • @chrisjohnson1146
      @chrisjohnson1146 Місяць тому +2

      He just uses a lot of material from STO since they have a LOT of material he can use for videos. If STO doesn't have it, he'd find another source.

  • @metairie33
    @metairie33 Місяць тому +1

    1st