I really appreciate how erudite you are in your discussions of self-defense. A lot of teachers don't actually know the muscles and nerves they're striking, or the consequences of doing so. Definitely earned yourself a viewer
Thanks for making this video. When I was in high school, a friend stupidly hit me in the back of the neck once to test the blow. I've had chronic neck problems to this very day, and I'm 72 years old now. Any of these neck blows should only be used in true life or death situations, in training one should only strike a dummy, exactly as you show here. Thanks again.
Michael W absolutely agree and sadly far too many teachers teach this with cavalier abandon. I was taught recklessly and in turn taught the same way for many years. Only through education can we grow and stay safe. Sorry to hear about your neck.
@@oneclickandclosed I've tried Chiropractic, different types of massage, and a few other things. Never heard of NUCCA, what is it? At this point I have the chronic problems more or less under control, so although it's a nuisance, it's no longer too big a deal.
@@michaelw7867 Acupuncture works wonders for my chronic neck and back pain that I suffered from a car accident. I get my acupuncturist to give me an hour of acupuncture and 20 minutes of deep tissue message in the same areas and it works like nothing else! Even after one treatment you'll feel a thousand times better! Trust me, I have done physical therapy like my doctor recommended, but it's acupuncture and deep tissue massage that do the trick for me.
Kevin, As a medical practitioner and lifelong martial artist, I respect the fact that you are stressing "responsible" teaching and striking. It is very easy to cause long term damage (and even stroke or death) with these strikes and playing around with them or teaching them haphazardly is absolutely irresponsible. That said, in a situation where it's them vs me for real and I have no other options to defend myself or lose my life or protect my family, these are absolutely the techniques I will use (eye poke, throat and neck strikes). Maximal damage and neutralization of the adversary with minimal effort and or complicated technique. The person who is attempting to harm me at that point, has given up there right to being countered with a "safe" strike. That's why people should train with skilled teachers like yourself, to learn how and WHEN to use technique in an effective & safe way. Thanks for the great video!
I stumbled upon your channel while casually researching basic self defense maneuvers since I often run and hike alone, and wow, you're so articulate and knowledgeable. I'll admit, I overuse the skip forward button on YT, but I haven't used it once with your videos. I was instantly hooked and left wanting to learn more. Thank you for also stressing the importance of safe and ethical practice. I can't wait to watch more of your videos.
The bridge arm. This was part of my Krav training techniques. Makes me think of an FMA knife #2 slash, but empty hand. And silat does a strike, wild overhand , but not a punch. Wild overhand forearm strike. Land, turn wrist, 1/2 Thai clinch, and continue. Great video explaining why this is dangerous. I'll shadow box it. Solo training these days❤ I won't commit to a wild overhand punch, but I'll commit to strikes towards the neck with forearm in theory and training
My friend wanted to learn it I’ll tell him that he should only use it in a life or death situation and that he should not practice on a human body without knowing how to properly do it, very nice explanation.
Fantastic job of covering the benefits and dangers of using this part of the body for targeting. I've taught combatives in the Marines as well as to private citizens for decades, and I've never heard a better presentation on brachial stuns. You Sir, are a very good instructor.
Outstanding warning and instruction on the brachial stun. Basically, practice on a dummy and use only in self defense. I like how you also mentioned that its not as easy to land as it may seems. I would not get fixated on it, just another option amongst many. Thank you for the video!
Thank you for the extensive warnings! I see so many people play with this and it's horrifying the way in which people are doing this without knowledge of the serious injury it can cause. It should never be used on people except in actual defense situations.
@@systemacanada I love your work and the detailed description you make here. How lethal is the bracial stun compare to a typical punch to the head? Just courious, no bad intent.
@@venator5 I think the brachial stun is more reliable. I’ve used it a few times from a light push to a hard hack and it always stuns a little. If you miss you still tend to get the trunk and the shoulder axis and create distance , even wind the lungs a little. There’s also very little risk of injury to you. Punches are a lot more unpredictable. There’s a high risk of personal injury , they can easily miss their mark. Punches can still kill but I would say palm strikes are more reliable , more durable, and you can modulate force more easily-a light finger jab to the eyes can massively turn a fight or can be ratcheted up to whatever level of force you’re intending. Overall though I would say the brachial stun is worse. The “hack” or “gulch” as it was called was one of the first moves removed from modern boxing for a reason.
@@systemacanada Thank you for your answer. I am a follower of your work since Splinter Cell Blacklist. I am actually study martial arts and trie to give them categories. I am categorising different movesets and so called pressure points as non lethal, less lethal, and lethal. According to your experience how would you categorise bracial stun? And do you have any opinions on throat strikes?
@@venator5 in the force continuum I would say on the spectrum from grievous bodily harm to lethal . We had motion captured quite a few brachial stuns but they didn’t end up making it into the final game . Too bad .
This, is the best ......straight into it .........video, I have ever seen ! Other clips , have guys talking you to death, about Yadda Yadda ! Sensei Secours.......... You are brilliant ! No long winded rubbish ! You just get straight to it ! Long May You Continue !
Huge respect for self critical individuals in general, but for teachers and masters in particular. It is so easy to sit on one's degree and find everlasting bliss in the reassurance of its orthodoxy, so thinking outside the box is very costly.
Yang family style grasp The bird's tail uses this pressure point and also attacks the points on the arm that are connected to the plexus for the heart it's designed to give someone a heart attack if used it full force Yang Lucian could hit someone like this and drop them they would be dead before they hit the floor My master used to say that when you hit someone properly they bow at your feet
Thanks for the information on repercussions.. but if I have to use this move, that means someone is trying to cause harm to me,therefore.. I don't give a damn what happens to him..lol
Very impressive instruction. I've never seen a street fight that didn't end up on the floor/ground. By knowing these nerves, and their location, you can get your butt up off the floor. I was wresting with my 12 year old and he nailed me with a hard elbow to my femoral cutaneous (side of the thigh) and I ached for a week.
Vagus, carotid artery AND jugular vein. Goes all the way back to judo (and maybe even before then). Neurological overload or shutdown? Or both? Blood flow is temporarily cut off and so is nerve impulse/conduction. Good on you for spending a LOT of time discussing the serious aspects of a brachial stun and other things that can adversely impact that area of the anatomy. I have to mildly disagree about never demonstrating/practicing the strike. Seeing it done isn’t the same as knowing precisely WHERE to strike and seeing the result. Striking the area hard is not necessary, but the actual feedback of seeing an opponent stunned/KOed from a strike is helpful. ... There’s a video of two soldiers or Marines showing this in a barracks room, and the recipient falling into a corner (doorway/wall) so there’s not much danger of the head hitting the floor.
crumplepoint the most immediately dangerous thing is how completely the subject falls. When I was in security, the first time I used it it was like magic. That made me careless. The second time the guy fell like a rag doll face first into the back of a chair and mangled his face. It was just luck he didn’t break his neck. That woke me up immediately. It needs to be used with caution.
Kevin Secours Oh damn. Thats another reason I thought it was ‘safer’, because they just fold up so it seemed better than a punch or a throw. Evidently not. I will stick to harnesses haha.
Massad Ayoob has written about police unintentionally killing with carotid holds. In some people the blood vessels are weak or damaged and when the hold is released the pressure from the 'return flow' can cause a rupture.
I really enjoyed this video. I got sucked in to doing some research on these defenses though because of doing research on the vagus nerve. From what I understand the strike to the carotid sinus tricks your brain into thinking your blood pressure is extremely high so in sends a signal through the vagus nerve to lower it which is what causes the loss of consciousness. The reason why I’m checking out the vagus nerve is because I have intractable seizures and they want to put a vagus nerve stimulator in me. So my question is when someone gets knocked out and goes into convulsions could it be a possibility of the vagus nerve being struck?
@@systemacanada cool I appreciate the reply so quickly. It’s really interesting researching how the brain operates. Now could that cause a permanent seizure problem?
@@TLEawareness I don’t believe that hitting the vagus is dangerous for the brain. I suppose in theory any nerve can be damaged but in the case of this strike the danger to your artery and vertebrae and the overall severity of the knockout and head impact on the ground when you fall are higher probability dangers. It’s an interesting line of research though.
Kevin i know your the one to ask...the wrestling head tap, palm strike to forehead. i cant find anything specific on it. we use it as a precursor to the double leg. now, for some reason i thought i learned this shocks the nervous system and disorients , giving you carte blanche to offensive first move. but i cant find anything specific on it. could you help me out?
It definitely works. It has a lot of names. Palm check or forehead check, I learned it most as a brain stun. I’ve used it bouncing. Even more from the top of the head down. The key is to keep a little space of air under your cupped palm to lessen the impact on your hand. It affects the nervous system by overloading the brain. It can be dangerous for the neck and teeth but is an intermediate force level. Some police pressure point systems like the Canadian ppps used it. You will also find it a lot on iron palm Kung fu, Bagua etc. There I learned it as thunder from the heavens Does any of this help?
@@systemacanada for sure, now i can be secure i have it on good authority and i can back it up and if i want to go further youve given me plenty of search options. thank you for your time!
Absolutely. They’re the next strike I teach after the forearm. For most people the arm is more durable. The knife hand requires more conditioning and a bit more coordination but the result is the same. In fact the knife hand applies even more force to a smaller area and can really harm the vertebrae as well. It’s a powerhouse strike.
Very informative video! 5 stars buddy. I call this the carotid chop, I guess it's the same thing although I never knew the different angles and differences that you describe. However, I have only tried to teach this strike to my daughters, wife and female friends as a last ditch effort to save their lives. In a self defense, close quarters scenario, for a woman under attack, This move might be their last hope so I told them to hit the carotid as hard as possible. Survival and evasion is their main goal not worrying about whether or not they might kill them. So, based on my scenario, would you agree? Obviously I would not be playing around with anyone at that close range and because of the danger of it, not practice it on another human.
The Virtuoso I’m not sure I understand. Do you mean rubbing the neck ? Rubbing won’t have any deep effect that could be used combatively. Sometimes it is used in first aid to reduce blood pressure but it wouldn’t be significant enough to affect an aggressor
Yes I meant to inititate the takedown and breaking structure. To minimize the damage and not having to risk hurting the person with a hit.Maybe the video talks more about KO strikes, or it is me that missed the point. Either way great content as always thank you.
Thanks for teaching people to not be stupid and hit their friends in one of the human body's most vulnerable spots. I have always hate those stupid martial art instructors that think they need to go hard on their assistants in order to show how bad ass they are as an instructor by hitting hard on the neck of the assistants to put them to sleep when a light tap is all that is needed!
Because I'm an idiot, and thought it would be cool to try, I lightly did it to myself and actually got stunned, not unconscious, but definitely dropped
This is a great clip. In the late nineties while practising full contact karate i found out quite early that this is a sure knock-out region. I came up with the idea to aim at it with Oyayubi Ippon Ken - check out google images, it's the sharp part of the thumb while making a fist. I still believe up to this day that this is the best self defense hit to knock someone out who is much larger,. Luckily, i never had to use it IRL.
It can impair circulation but it is difficult to maintain the necessary pressure long enough to knock someone out when the partner is resistant. As a pain compliance move or motivator to move however, a quick pinch to the carotid sinus is effective and I have used that many times in real restraint contexts. We affectionately refer to it as a pulse check.
There are no guarantees of what effect it will have or how they will fall but generally a sharp push that snaps and ends without causing you to lean past your base of support. The key is to keep your balance and create suave. Any more power than that is unnecessary.
Inactive Marine, I had an MD in a bar tell me a knife hand to the neck wouldn't knock anyone out. I learned it and practiced it in the service, I took him outside and demonstrated it. It was only me and him, he paid for my drinks and left. The conversation with him started with me asking medical questions trying to find out about a 3 finger blood choke (I've had it done bout 12 times), everyone who I've meet who knew it has refused to show me how its done. I've searched everything I can acupuncture, muscle layout, neurological layout to no avail to learn 1 move.
Nothing is automatic. People get stabbed 50 times and live, others get stabbed once and die. There is no guaranteed damage that will occur from any injury. The point rather is that this spot is very dangerous and shouldn't be played with lightly. Moreover, you can't say Holly won't have issues. Every knockout carries risks. I have plenty of serious hits or injuries I survived rather easily back in the day and I felt bullet proof, then then the older I get, the more chronic pains come out. Knockouts in particular carry risks. There are many studies on the rammifications of brachial damage. Here is one: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1413600/
Sorry, but what´s the difference if I hit the nerve and artery, or if I whack someone in the head, or make him fall headfirst? They all are likely to cause a KO and could result in permanent injury or death. However, I do agree that we tend to ignore the liabilities of such techniques.
That's the exact point. You would never teach someone that punching them in the head to knock them out is a relatively safe tactic. You wouldn't line students up to be punched out to demonstrate the efficacity. With the brachial stun however, there are misinformed practitioners selling it as a safe knockout who then routinely knock students out in demos because of how simple it is to apply. Sadly this isn't limited to dim mak martial arts. It has crept into defensive tactics and reality based circles. This should be construed as dangerous punching someone unconscious and considered a very last resort.
@@systemacanada People do get in the ring a punch each other and knock each other out. So boxers know how capable of knocking some one out by how often they actually do it.
@@combatsportlover6919 yes and if you read the studies on the effects of repeated concussions you wouldn’t argue it’s safe. Martial artists and law enforcement instructors teach brachial stuns on idle students and this is regarded as acceptable which is ridiculous. If a clip surfaces of a boxing coach lining students up and hook punching their temples as they passively wait for it he would get largely crucified as being irresponsible yet the equivalent is widely acceptable with brachial stubs in the martial arts which is insane. You don’t need to repeatedly knock people out with a technique to know that you can any more than you need to break elbows to know your arm bar works. That’s irresponsible.
We do demo The GB21 and GB 20 at the back of the neck with hammer fist very light strike so you can feel how even a small light strike to these areas obviously have some effect on the body that way they know if you need to use a heavier blow to that area in a real fight you know it will be effective. Those spots ST9 the side of the neck and both GB21 and GB 20 are all considered death spots and can cause permanent damage or even death when hit too hard and at the right angles so like you said those guys doing demos like that are being very irresponsible. - www.djemir.com
In my first style of kempo we were the same but I’ve seen too many accidents and bad results. It’s just not worth the risk. There are so many other practical ways to pressure test it and still get reliable results in the real world. I wouldn’t let someone lightly scratch my eyes or kick my groin to feel what it’s like. Enough exposure to sparring and training will bring the necessary confidence without sacrificing my well being. In my youth I was much more cavalier with my body but I can no longer responsibly support playing with these shots. There’s a reason all the traditional masters were so guarded and cautious in these matters. That being said there are still people kicking trees out there so to each their own.
Ron Lynn firearm strikes to the neck are illegal in mma. Shin kicks to the neck happen all the time however and effect the same mechanism. These strikes are legal in leithwei along with head butts and a host of other tactics so if you need proof from sport of something that is widely used in real fights all the time check that out.
Yang family style grasp The bird's tail uses this pressure point and also attacks the points on the arm that are connected to the plexus for the heart it's designed to give someone a heart attack if used it full force Yang Lucian could hit someone like this and drop them they would be dead before they hit the floor My master used to say that when you hit someone properly they bow at your feet
I really appreciate how erudite you are in your discussions of self-defense. A lot of teachers don't actually know the muscles and nerves they're striking, or the consequences of doing so. Definitely earned yourself a viewer
Thanks very much. I appreciate it a lot. All the best in the new year.
Thanks for making this video. When I was in high school, a friend stupidly hit me in the back of the neck once to test the blow. I've had chronic neck problems to this very day, and I'm 72 years old now. Any of these neck blows should only be used in true life or death situations, in training one should only strike a dummy, exactly as you show here. Thanks again.
Michael W absolutely agree and sadly far too many teachers teach this with cavalier abandon. I was taught recklessly and in turn taught the same way for many years. Only through education can we grow and stay safe. Sorry to hear about your neck.
Have you tried NUCCA ?
@@oneclickandclosed I've tried Chiropractic, different types of massage, and a few other things. Never heard of NUCCA, what is it? At this point I have the chronic problems more or less under control, so although it's a nuisance, it's no longer too big a deal.
@@michaelw7867 nucca.org/what-is-nucca/
@@michaelw7867 Acupuncture works wonders for my chronic neck and back pain that I suffered from a car accident. I get my acupuncturist to give me an hour of acupuncture and 20 minutes of deep tissue message in the same areas and it works like nothing else! Even after one treatment you'll feel a thousand times better! Trust me, I have done physical therapy like my doctor recommended, but it's acupuncture and deep tissue massage that do the trick for me.
Kevin,
As a medical practitioner and lifelong martial artist, I respect the fact that you are stressing "responsible" teaching and striking. It is very easy to cause long term damage (and even stroke or death) with these strikes and playing around with them or teaching them haphazardly is absolutely irresponsible. That said, in a situation where it's them vs me for real and I have no other options to defend myself or lose my life or protect my family, these are absolutely the techniques I will use (eye poke, throat and neck strikes). Maximal damage and neutralization of the adversary with minimal effort and or complicated technique. The person who is attempting to harm me at that point, has given up there right to being countered with a "safe" strike. That's why people should train with skilled teachers like yourself, to learn how and WHEN to use technique in an effective & safe way. Thanks for the great video!
Absolutely. Thanks for watching.
I stumbled upon your channel while casually researching basic self defense maneuvers since I often run and hike alone, and wow, you're so articulate and knowledgeable. I'll admit, I overuse the skip forward button on YT, but I haven't used it once with your videos. I was instantly hooked and left wanting to learn more. Thank you for also stressing the importance of safe and ethical practice. I can't wait to watch more of your videos.
This was a great video. You really know a lot about human anatomy and the effects combat has on it. Props!
I praise your knowledge and bow to your wisdom. Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
I'm into your teachings. This is my first video I've seen of yours, and I love it! You maybe my new self defense teacher. Thank you very much Sir!!!
Thanks for your honest and mature approach to this subject
Thanks for watching.
The bridge arm. This was part of my Krav training techniques. Makes me think of an FMA knife #2 slash, but empty hand. And silat does a strike, wild overhand , but not a punch. Wild overhand forearm strike. Land, turn wrist, 1/2 Thai clinch, and continue. Great video explaining why this is dangerous. I'll shadow box it. Solo training these days❤
I won't commit to a wild overhand punch, but I'll commit to strikes towards the neck with forearm in theory and training
My friend wanted to learn it I’ll tell him that he should only use it in a life or death situation and that he should not practice on a human body without knowing how to properly do it, very nice explanation.
Absolutely right. Striking your partner’s shoulder is a safe and similar facsimile.
Thankyou for this...very informative as to the repercussions.
simon parker thanks for watching. I’m glad I you liked it.
This was a great presentation.
The honesty, wisdom and truth presented and taught in this video was fantastic. Great Instructor.
sean solina thanks for watching.
Excellent presentation. Very articulate explanation without any ego.
Thanks for watching. All the best in your training.
Fantastic job of covering the benefits and dangers of using this part of the body for targeting. I've taught combatives in the Marines as well as to private citizens for decades, and I've never heard a better presentation on brachial stuns. You Sir, are a very good instructor.
Thank you. That means a lot. All the best in your training. Stay safe out there.
Nice Coach, I always love you're videos, I hope to be able to train with you someday that would be awesome 👍🙏 God bless you Coach 👍
Thank you. That would be awesome :)
Outstanding warning and instruction on the brachial stun. Basically, practice on a dummy and use only in self defense.
I like how you also mentioned that its not as easy to land as it may seems. I would not get fixated on it, just another option amongst many.
Thank you for the video!
Exactly. Thank you so much for watching.
Thank you for the extensive warnings! I see so many people play with this and it's horrifying the way in which people are doing this without knowledge of the serious injury it can cause. It should never be used on people except in actual defense situations.
Exactly right. It's terrifying to see. Thanks for watching. All the best from Montreal.
@@systemacanada I love your work and the detailed description you make here. How lethal is the bracial stun compare to a typical punch to the head? Just courious, no bad intent.
@@venator5 I think the brachial stun is more reliable. I’ve used it a few times from a light push to a hard hack and it always stuns a little. If you miss you still tend to get the trunk and the shoulder axis and create distance , even wind the lungs a little. There’s also very little risk of injury to you. Punches are a lot more unpredictable. There’s a high risk of personal injury , they can easily miss their mark. Punches can still kill but I would say palm strikes are more reliable , more durable, and you can modulate force more easily-a light finger jab to the eyes can massively turn a fight or can be ratcheted up to whatever level of force you’re intending. Overall though I would say the brachial stun is worse. The “hack” or “gulch” as it was called was one of the first moves removed from modern boxing for a reason.
@@systemacanada Thank you for your answer. I am a follower of your work since Splinter Cell Blacklist.
I am actually study martial arts and trie to give them categories.
I am categorising different movesets and so called pressure points as non lethal, less lethal, and lethal.
According to your experience how would you categorise bracial stun? And do you have any opinions on throat strikes?
@@venator5 in the force continuum I would say on the spectrum from grievous bodily harm to lethal . We had motion captured quite a few brachial stuns but they didn’t end up making it into the final game . Too bad .
Outstanding discussion! Fractured skulls from knock out falls, have caused many deaths.Unexpected, serious issues can happen in fights!
Thank you soo much for giving such an important info.
Thank you for watching
Excellent presentation!
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This, is the best ......straight into it .........video, I have ever seen ! Other clips , have guys talking you to death, about Yadda Yadda ! Sensei Secours.......... You are brilliant ! No long winded rubbish ! You just get straight to it ! Long May You Continue !
I really appreciate it. That’s for watching.
Huge respect for self critical individuals in general, but for teachers and masters in particular. It is so easy to sit on one's degree and find everlasting bliss in the reassurance of its orthodoxy, so thinking outside the box is very costly.
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It is good to see this sort of teaching on UA-cam.
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Very informative thank you
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Great video sir
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Yang family style grasp The bird's tail uses this pressure point and also attacks the points on the arm that are connected to the plexus for the heart it's designed to give someone a heart attack if used it full force Yang Lucian could hit someone like this and drop them they would be dead before they hit the floor My master used to say that when you hit someone properly they bow at your feet
Human body is rather resilient but also fragile if enough pressure is applied to the correct part.
excellent video A+
Thanks for watching.
Wow. Thank you.
Thank you for watching. I really appreciate it.
Thanks for the information on repercussions.. but if I have to use this move, that means someone is trying to cause harm to me,therefore.. I don't give a damn what happens to him..lol
Pretty sure he meant that it's irresponsible to use it in context of sport fighting, not in self defense.
It can easily cause death with to much force.
Very impressive instruction. I've never seen a street fight that didn't end up on the floor/ground. By knowing these nerves, and their location, you can get your butt up off the floor. I was wresting with my 12 year old and he nailed me with a hard elbow to my femoral cutaneous (side of the thigh) and I ached for a week.
Thanks for watching.
Vagus, carotid artery AND jugular vein.
Goes all the way back to judo (and maybe even before then).
Neurological overload or shutdown? Or both?
Blood flow is temporarily cut off and so is nerve impulse/conduction.
Good on you for spending a LOT of time discussing the serious aspects of a brachial stun and other things that can adversely impact that area of the anatomy.
I have to mildly disagree about never demonstrating/practicing the strike.
Seeing it done isn’t the same as knowing precisely WHERE to strike and seeing the result. Striking the area hard is not necessary, but the actual feedback of seeing an opponent stunned/KOed from a strike is helpful.
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There’s a video of two soldiers or Marines showing this in a barracks room, and the recipient falling into a corner (doorway/wall) so there’s not much danger of the head hitting the floor.
Thank you for this. I thought this area was far safer than it is before seeing this.
crumplepoint the most immediately dangerous thing is how completely the subject falls. When I was in security, the first time I used it it was like magic. That made me careless. The second time the guy fell like a rag doll face first into the back of a chair and mangled his face. It was just luck he didn’t break his neck. That woke me up immediately. It needs to be used with caution.
Kevin Secours Oh damn. Thats another reason I thought it was ‘safer’, because they just fold up so it seemed better than a punch or a throw. Evidently not. I will stick to harnesses haha.
Massad Ayoob has written about police unintentionally killing with carotid holds. In some people the blood vessels are weak or damaged and when the hold is released the pressure from the 'return flow' can cause a rupture.
Yes. Carotid chokes carry a host of other rides as well. Playing around without full understanding is very dangerous
Thanks for a self defense lesson will use it if I feel like I’m in danger
Thanks for watching.
I really enjoyed this video. I got sucked in to doing some research on these defenses though because of doing research on the vagus nerve. From what I understand the strike to the carotid sinus tricks your brain into thinking your blood pressure is extremely high so in sends a signal through the vagus nerve to lower it which is what causes the loss of consciousness. The reason why I’m checking out the vagus nerve is because I have intractable seizures and they want to put a vagus nerve stimulator in me. So my question is when someone gets knocked out and goes into convulsions could it be a possibility of the vagus nerve being struck?
Absolutely. That’s generally the trigger.
@@systemacanada cool I appreciate the reply so quickly. It’s really interesting researching how the brain operates. Now could that cause a permanent seizure problem?
@@TLEawareness I don’t believe that hitting the vagus is dangerous for the brain. I suppose in theory any nerve can be damaged but in the case of this strike the danger to your artery and vertebrae and the overall severity of the knockout and head impact on the ground when you fall are higher probability dangers. It’s an interesting line of research though.
Kevin i know your the one to ask...the wrestling head tap, palm strike to forehead. i cant find anything specific on it. we use it as a precursor to the double leg. now, for some reason i thought i learned this shocks the nervous system and disorients , giving you carte blanche to offensive first move. but i cant find anything specific on it. could you help me out?
It definitely works. It has a lot of names. Palm check or forehead check, I learned it most as a brain stun. I’ve used it bouncing. Even more from the top of the head down. The key is to keep a little space of air under your cupped palm to lessen the impact on your hand. It affects the nervous system by overloading the brain. It can be dangerous for the neck and teeth but is an intermediate force level. Some police pressure point systems like the Canadian ppps used it. You will also find it a lot on iron palm Kung fu, Bagua etc. There I learned it as thunder from the heavens
Does any of this help?
@@systemacanada for sure, now i can be secure i have it on good authority and i can back it up and if i want to go further youve given me plenty of search options. thank you for your time!
The old "karate chop" in movies were knife hand strikes to that area
Absolutely. They’re the next strike I teach after the forearm. For most people the arm is more durable. The knife hand requires more conditioning and a bit more coordination but the result is the same. In fact the knife hand applies even more force to a smaller area and can really harm the vertebrae as well. It’s a powerhouse strike.
Very informative video! 5 stars buddy. I call this the carotid chop, I guess it's the same thing although I never knew the different angles and differences that you describe. However, I have only tried to teach this strike to my daughters, wife and female friends as a last ditch effort to save their lives. In a self defense, close quarters scenario, for a woman under attack, This move might be their last hope so I told them to hit the carotid as hard as possible. Survival and evasion is their main goal not worrying about whether or not they might kill them. So, based on my scenario, would you agree? Obviously I would not be playing around with anyone at that close range and because of the danger of it, not practice it on another human.
Absolutely. It’s a great strike in the right situation. Thanks for watching.
Can the method of rubbing the joint be trained enough to avoid/replace this (unless you have no choice)?
The Virtuoso I’m not sure I understand. Do you mean rubbing the neck ? Rubbing won’t have any deep effect that could be used combatively. Sometimes it is used in first aid to reduce blood pressure but it wouldn’t be significant enough to affect an aggressor
Yes I meant to inititate the takedown and breaking structure. To minimize the damage and not having to risk hurting the person with a hit.Maybe the video talks more about KO strikes, or it is me that missed the point. Either way great content as always thank you.
You mentioned striking to the back of the neck, I was taught that was potentially deadly.
It can be if it’s very hard but it’s a high probability knockout -a military tactic not a law enforcement one
It can cause stroke
Thanks for teaching people to not be stupid and hit their friends in one of the human body's most vulnerable spots. I have always hate those stupid martial art instructors that think they need to go hard on their assistants in order to show how bad ass they are as an instructor by hitting hard on the neck of the assistants to put them to sleep when a light tap is all that is needed!
Could not agree more. I was one of those idiots in my youth and my teachers were the same. It’s just so dangerous. Thanks for watching.
Because I'm an idiot, and thought it would be cool to try, I lightly did it to myself and actually got stunned, not unconscious, but definitely dropped
I did the same thing when I first learned it.
This is a great clip. In the late nineties while practising full contact karate i found out quite early that this is a sure knock-out region. I came up with the idea to aim at it with Oyayubi Ippon Ken - check out google images, it's the sharp part of the thumb while making a fist. I still believe up to this day that this is the best self defense hit to knock someone out who is much larger,. Luckily, i never had to use it IRL.
We call that a thumb notch or Motobu fist. Solid strike with the right training
@@systemacanada thanks, interesting, i had not seen this hand position before.
@@bartgr9008 it’s very common in Okinawa martial arts and kempo circles
How about a pinch or some thumb pressure on that part of the neck , stop a person temporarily ?
It can impair circulation but it is difficult to maintain the necessary pressure long enough to knock someone out when the partner is resistant. As a pain compliance move or motivator to move however, a quick pinch to the carotid sinus is effective and I have used that many times in real restraint contexts. We affectionately refer to it as a pulse check.
@@systemacanada wow thx can u do a video on pulse check pls? ... thx
How hard should this be done to effectively incapacitate an attacker with no chance of permanent damage or death?
There are no guarantees of what effect it will have or how they will fall but generally a sharp push that snaps and ends without causing you to lean past your base of support. The key is to keep your balance and create suave. Any more power than that is unnecessary.
@@systemacanada Thank you.
my sifu clipped me with his radius bone and i went light headed so i know how effective and real it can be and i was barely touched.
Absolutely.
Leave it to the French to literally love someone to death.
A kiss true of death by a lover? What a stunning story!
Wisdom.
Thanks for watching
Geez, imagine leaning over to kiss your loved one and they just die.
Inactive Marine, I had an MD in a bar tell me a knife hand to the neck wouldn't knock anyone out. I learned it and practiced it in the service, I took him outside and demonstrated it. It was only me and him, he paid for my drinks and left.
The conversation with him started with me asking medical questions trying to find out about a 3 finger blood choke (I've had it done bout 12 times), everyone who I've meet who knew it has refused to show me how its done. I've searched everything I can acupuncture, muscle layout, neurological layout to no avail to learn 1 move.
At least he was still able to pay for your drinks . Lol
Ronda Rousey was kicked to the neck by Holly Holm in the exact spot you are talking of. I hope she didn't get long term damage.
Nothing is automatic. People get stabbed 50 times and live, others get stabbed once and die. There is no guaranteed damage that will occur from any injury. The point rather is that this spot is very dangerous and shouldn't be played with lightly. Moreover, you can't say Holly won't have issues. Every knockout carries risks. I have plenty of serious hits or injuries I survived rather easily back in the day and I felt bullet proof, then then the older I get, the more chronic pains come out. Knockouts in particular carry risks. There are many studies on the rammifications of brachial damage. Here is one: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1413600/
Poor Bob. 😔
More valuable wisdom than pure gold or any anachronistic far East philosophy teaching
Thanks for watching. I appreciate it.
Both for teaching the target and strike and for teaching how not to train or use it.
@@interludo thank you. I m glad you enjoyed it
Sorry, but what´s the difference if I hit the nerve and artery, or if I whack someone in the head, or make him fall headfirst?
They all are likely to cause a KO and could result in permanent injury or death.
However, I do agree that we tend to ignore the liabilities of such techniques.
That's the exact point. You would never teach someone that punching them in the head to knock them out is a relatively safe tactic. You wouldn't line students up to be punched out to demonstrate the efficacity. With the brachial stun however, there are misinformed practitioners selling it as a safe knockout who then routinely knock students out in demos because of how simple it is to apply. Sadly this isn't limited to dim mak martial arts. It has crept into defensive tactics and reality based circles. This should be construed as dangerous punching someone unconscious and considered a very last resort.
@@systemacanada People do get in the ring a punch each other and knock each other out. So boxers know how capable of knocking some one out by how often they actually do it.
@@combatsportlover6919 yes and if you read the studies on the effects of repeated concussions you wouldn’t argue it’s safe. Martial artists and law enforcement instructors teach brachial stuns on idle students and this is regarded as acceptable which is ridiculous. If a clip surfaces of a boxing coach lining students up and hook punching their temples as they passively wait for it he would get largely crucified as being irresponsible yet the equivalent is widely acceptable with brachial stubs in the martial arts which is insane. You don’t need to repeatedly knock people out with a technique to know that you can any more than you need to break elbows to know your arm bar works. That’s irresponsible.
I would do it if my life was threatened.
At 3m35s... bloody hell, he should be held liable!!!😐😐
We do demo The GB21 and GB 20 at the back of the neck with hammer fist very light strike so you can feel how even a small light strike to these areas obviously have some effect on the body that way they know if you need to use a heavier blow to that area in a real fight you know it will be effective. Those spots ST9 the side of the neck and both GB21 and GB 20 are all considered death spots and can cause permanent damage or even death when hit too hard and at the right angles so like you said those guys doing demos like that are being very irresponsible. - www.djemir.com
In my first style of kempo we were the same but I’ve seen too many accidents and bad results. It’s just not worth the risk. There are so many other practical ways to pressure test it and still get reliable results in the real world. I wouldn’t let someone lightly scratch my eyes or kick my groin to feel what it’s like. Enough exposure to sparring and training will bring the necessary confidence without sacrificing my well being. In my youth I was much more cavalier with my body but I can no longer responsibly support playing with these shots. There’s a reason all the traditional masters were so guarded and cautious in these matters. That being said there are still people kicking trees out there so to each their own.
You worst enemy is your instructors ego
Absolutely.
@@systemacanada Thank you for the reply
until it happens in an MMA fight it doesn't work.
Ron Lynn firearm strikes to the neck are illegal in mma. Shin kicks to the neck happen all the time however and effect the same mechanism. These strikes are legal in leithwei along with head butts and a host of other tactics so if you need proof from sport of something that is widely used in real fights all the time check that out.
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Yang family style grasp The bird's tail uses this pressure point and also attacks the points on the arm that are connected to the plexus for the heart it's designed to give someone a heart attack if used it full force Yang Lucian could hit someone like this and drop them they would be dead before they hit the floor My master used to say that when you hit someone properly they bow at your feet