NEW Snapdragon X Plus vs Apple M3 - Qualcomm's GENIUS Plan?
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2024
- Qualcomm Just Announced another ARM-based Chip that's targeting Apple, The Snapdagon X Plus! Here's what You Need to Know!
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if it can match m1-m2, run fanless and not cost like used car for 16/512, its a win.
And yet MS still needs to male the software work properly😂
@@louiswilliamterminator2887everything that works on mac works to snapdragon
@@ehtasam960 not exactly how it works, but MS has seemingly gotten its act together and their translation layers now work almost as well as Rosetta, by their own admittance, not quite as good, but good enough that there shouldn't be (too many) issues. They dragged their heels for a long time, but finally seem to have woken up.
@@michaeldendulk9225 alot of apps are native at launch
Agreed and if Qualcomm can license out its Oryon core architecture to AMD and Nvidia so we can get some proper ARM APU SoCs with Radeon and RTX graphics instead of the anemic Adreno GPUs... things will get exciting for windows on ARM real fast.
I think Intel and AMD are more worry about the Snapdragon X chips than Apple.
Not at all, Apple has been converting PC users in record numbers, Apple is a way bigger problem for them than Qualcomm
@@schizofennecApple is for those who have specific need for Apple software or want to pay for the luxury. Apple charges $200 extra to go from 8GB to 16GB, and $200 extra to go from 512GB SSD to 1TB SSD on top of the luxury price to performance ratio of Macs to begin with. Those kind of up charges aren’t going to be for everyone. Yes Intel and AMD need to compete with Apple as well. But to say they should be more concerned about Apple than Qualcomm is just delusional
I am not so sure AMD strix point sounds good but like the Snapdragon X Elite it does not matter till we can really test them 🤷♂️
nahh intel already have there chip that more powerful than snapdragon which is i9 14900ks hehe
@@schizofennecrecord numbers??? 😂 Maybe for them internally - but overall not even A dent for The rest. Not everybody is a son of an oligarch and can afford it
Been a lot of rumours floating around, some from Qualcomm (ex) employees, suggesting Qualcomm has been fudging their benchmarks, meaning in reality the X plus/elite barely match M1 performance, so we'll see. Not an Apple fanboy, would love to see competition in this market for some powerful thin laptops that don't cost a second mortgage, but the amount of these rumours as of late is quite worrying. Even M1 level Windows machines would be welcome, if the price is right, but Qualcomm does have a history of exaggerating.
I also had the same toughts, when i saw somenpower consumption diagrams. It was obvious from the 23W peak and 23W sustained power consumption it's a device with cooler, but the M3 had only 19W peak and 8W sustained power consumption, so it was a fanless model.. not too hard to get bettet results with tricks like this. Also had some worries when the battery comparisons said it's can get 40% extra battery life in office 365 compared to x86.. really 40%? That is not even close to the 15-20hours of battery time.. i mean those excel, word etc doesn't even need a lot of performance..
@@TamasKiss-yk4stto be fair the MacBook airs should also have coolers imo
@@TamasKiss-yk4stm3 8 core cpu uses 23 watts.
A17 pro 6 core cpu uses 14 watts.
M3 max 16 core cpu uses 55 watts .
Given the source of that story, I wouldn't assume it's remotely accurate. Charlie Demerjian is not a reliable journalist.
@@NissocoMCNo. Rather have it throttle a bit. I am a musician. No fan is extremely important to a lot of Logic Pro users. It is one of the most important reasons to get a MacBook Air.
How come Qualcomm is comparable on phones but some of y'all think they can't do the same for Laptops
I think the issue is on phones they’re just working with the android setup and are efficient.
Windows is challenging. So will come
More down to how well emulation works and software compatibility.
Apparently the only reason they caught up is because the main engineers left apple and created their own company called “Nuvia” (I may have spelled wrong). Then Qualcomm purchased that company.
Maybe the engineers wanted some spotlight for once?
WIndows and android are horrible OSes
Because Apple want to spread uncertainty about any ARM competitors to keep their sheep in the fold !
@@schizofennec Android let's you do whatever you want, pretty horrible 😂 And window is trash but it's trash you can work with.
Because Android as an OS has gotten quite good in the past 4-5 years... Efficient and Fast.
Qualcomm's mobile Snapdragon 8 Gen series chips have only just started being comparable to Apple's Bionic chips in the last 2-3 years.
Windows is a terribly designed OS with major inconsistencies throughout it. It doesn't even run that well on X86 chips lol.
That's why people are a bit skeptical of how it will run on Arm chips with emulation needed.
Tom's Hardware has an article in which there are claims that the Qualcomm's results were faked. Apparently, nobody has been able to reproduce the benchmarks.
Not only TH, several (ex) staff have also come out and claimed the benchmarks were faked. We'll see soon enough...
This is kind of supported by the fact the lead guys seem quite flakey in interviews. Making bold claims but not much more detail.
Didn’t really present well. Not sure where one of the interviews are but I definitely saw one on UA-cam a couple of days ago with a lead engineer.
I wouldnt necessarily say they are faked, but they likely use extremely optimal conditions (best possible case) which most people simply wont be in.
Of course because Apple is years ahead compared to the competition
@@lemonaudiowell the validity of that is still up in the air but if Qualcomm actually somehow faked their results then that very well could be true
There is something most of you leave out when talking about external display support. In terms of number, yes, X elite supports more displays than M3. However, you always leave out the resolution-which is also essential. X elite supports up to three 4K@60 displays or two 5K@60 while M3 supports up to two 5K@60 displays with the lid closed. If it's number of pixels, the M3 technically is not far off from the X elite. And the M3 can also support one 6K@60 as well.
The restriction is artificial. Of course they can drive many displays, you just have to pay for the more expensive version. Lack of competition.
ITS ALL ABOUT PERFORMANCE PER WATT, in a laptop, this is PARAMOUNT!
AH-HA, they compare their chips to their older chips which means they are uncompetitive in the Power/perWatt metric.
14" and below yes, 16" and above not so much since they can be desktop replacements.
nah performance per dollar 😂
damn, I'd consider moving back to linux laptop if these chips are real competition. Apple M series is just too good. Love to see real competition in the chip space.
exactly
I'm not worries about performance. I'm sure if anyone can make a good Apple Silicon-like ARM cpu it will be Qualcomm. What I'm concerned with is software integration and cost. For example: My laptop use case is primarily running backing tracks on Ableton Live. I won't really need plugin compatibility since most of my tracks are either generic midi for automation or wav files, but I still need Ableton Live to work well for it to be worthwhile to me.
Seems like they've been talking about this chip for almost a year, and still no actual hardware in the wild, just "coming mid 2024". Will wait and see, but definitely nice to get some competition. The funny thing is, this won't be so successful unless Microsoft gets off their asses and actually makes Windows ARM a priority.
Great Video ❤❤❤ Big Fan of yours.
Will these be upgradable like ram and hard drives also will they be solder in ? … thanks
Most important question right here!
I heard it would be soldered. First gen would be supported by DDDR 5 or DDR5X also.
Can’t remember which channel I heard on.
RAM is LPDDR5 (PCWorld interview with Qualcomm) so is almost definitely not user upgradable without a soldering iron. These 'laptops' are likely ultrabooks only rather than general purpose laptops. Qualcomm marketing is less clear on this but it looks like implementations will only target the more niche non-upgradable markets.
RAM will most likely be soldered on LPDDR5X but SSD will be upgradeable.
What about hardware ray tracing?
can these chips be overlocked?
This competition in the ARM SoC space is going to be good for both sides of the fence... things are really starting to get exciting!!
3-5 years before apple is considering them serious competition, windows on ARM is extremely poorly written.
So in raw performance theyre similar, but mac optimization is wayyy better.
There seems to be something fishy going on with how Qualcomm is presenting the performance of their new chips. Don't get me wrong, it's good that they are bringing more competition by releasing this chip. However, if you pay close attention to the numbers they had presented when they first announced this chip compared to what they have presented recently, it begs the question if they are being candid? Qualcomm had shown the X elite to score over 3,200 points in Geekbench 6 single core test when they announced it, and now their showing around 2,800 points in their latest charts. Why did it decrease? Was the 3,200 used just to show how they beat Apple M2 and Intel in that respect?
Also, they keep talking about how their 12 performance cores CPU beats M3-which has 4 perf and 4 efficiency cores-in multi threaded benchmark. Like, really? M3? They don't even show the single core performance when doing the comparisons -which is the most important metric when using thin and light notebooks since most of the tasks involve single threaded workloads. They also omit the power consumption difference as well- again, very essential.
Look, like I said, it's good for competition to have their chips in PCs and I applaud them for what they bring to the table. But they have to come clean.
great video.
Would cad apps like Revit be able to run on these chips? I doubt it since they are so optimized for Intel.
Waiting for tests on the battery life, but early Geekbench 6 scores show M2 Pro levels of performance.
I would like to see you guys Qualcomm Benchmark update when you get the laptops at hand. I Don’t really trust any Qualcomm benchmarks since EX Employees have been rumored some numbers fudging at Qualcomm.
I'm an avid X86 user and am only interest in ARM chips due to their power efficiency. This is the most important thing for me as my other workstations are used to run intensive resource applications via RDP if I need it to do so.
As a wrestling fan, I marked out at the thumbnail 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No the ml score with GPU is very low so you will have to compare it with their npu so geekbench offers test with npu as well😊
Exactly
The thing that might hold the snapdragon x back is Windows on arm. Maybe I'm wrong, but Windows on arm has been trash.
I'd love to see Qualcomm's chip inside handheld game consoles like the Steam Deck, if compatibility layer is not a problem
why no timestamp ?
Would they release cheaper than m3?
i just watched a video, where OEM's are stating Qualcomms new chips aren't performing on windows at the numbers that qualcomm is claiming, so should be interesting to see how windows and all the other apps running at the same time and how it actually handles,
I fully expect Microsoft to screw QC over on this with poor at best, zero at worst optimization for the silicon. They will cede a potential advantage with laziness and incompetence.
hey maxtech could one of the apple logos means airpods max 2??
I thought the M3 was discontinued for the M4? (new iPads are rumoured to be shipping with M4).
For me the operating system will be the real test. When Apple released the M1 they had spent years fine tuning Mac OS, making the product launch near perfect. Because there are so many independent companies needing to be on the same page for this release, I don't see it being right for a few years yet.
Qualcomm and Microsoft began windows on arm 4 years before Apple released their first M1 chip so they've had lots of time fine-tuning the OS. They have what they need to get things up and running. What's left is optimizations from software companies to get apps running natively.
I have been using a Windows 11 ARM laptop for over 2 years and the operating system runs exactly like a Windows 11 x86 laptop. The only thing missing is apps from other companies. If you mostly use the internet/chrome browser then its already set up to go right now.
@@kirknmight be hard to get companies on board, until there is more mass adoption. Kind of the chicken and egg problem. Microsoft had a hell of a time getting companies to make apps for the windows phone.
Given the prices we have seen rumoured for laptops featuring the X chip is it really fair to compare with the M3? Surely the M3 Pro is the more sensible comparison here?
Please be reminded this is the plus version na the elite one
TBH the immense amount of marketing is making me skeptical about either the price or the performance
Just bought a M3 MBA with 512GB storage and 16GB RAM today and I am loving it so far! It's great to see that Apple will finally get a competitor when it comes to efficiency!
I can't find your camera review anymore and where is your brother?
Max, who will produce the qualcomm’s X3 chip wafers? TSMC?
TSMC is doing all of Apple's Silicon fabrication across the board.
Yeah it's TSMC
will apples may 7th 2024 event will it be prerecorded??
@MAXTECH wow today i love you because you put The Undertaker in CreepMode on your Thumbnail image!
Its great thay we have a competition
I don't think it's just hardware Microsoft needs to accelerate in, it's going all in on Arm. If they just tip their toes into it from time time, the developers will never fully jump into the pool like Apple devs did for the M series of chips. Microsoft needs to really push arm as their platform of choice if they really want to move the needle.
At least push ARM as the mobile platform of choice. It is never going to do a lot of the higher performance and graphics tasks especially if they are not pushing crazy high SOC memory bandwidth like Apple is. I mean they could theoretically go all out with HBM to push 1TB/s+ but doubtful they will.
The only M3 that matches the geekbench score quoted by Qualcomm is an 8-core m3, while Qualcomm used a 12 core, the 12-core m3 is a bit faster than qualcomms quoted figures. I wonder how many MacBooks Qualcomm have been buying over the last few years
All I need is WiFi 7 on the Mac and I’m cool. Competition is great for the end user. Would love to see a desktop counterpart. Unleash the power.
What is your use case scenario where you mostly care about Wifi 7? In what scenario do you need 10+Gbps but not larger storage, more RAM or faster CPU? Isn't the 9.6Gbps of the Wifi 6 or the 3+Gbps of wifi 5 not enough?
@@theodoro89 I have the TP Link BE95 router.
@@rodneyturnerphotook but what is your use case that WiFi 6e bandwidth is also not enough?
Wifi7 not yet ratified. Any Wifi7 equipment out there now is unoffical. Apple will wait until it’s a done deal.
@@Fear.of.the.Dark. I upload a lot of video to an editor. My isp gave me a WiFi 5 router that I used for 18 months. Decided to upgrade to WiFi 7 due to speed and 10G built in for NAS. 6E would’ve been fine, but why not be on the cutting edge.
Crazy how these chips aren't available yet, but you make a video making it appear that you know the full performance of them. Too funny!!!!
im gonna be waiting for a Razer Blade with X Elite and RTX 4090/5090
@MaxTechOfficial It doesn't matter if the X Elite & X Plus are not as good as Apple's M chips. However if they are better than ANY thin and portable laptop EVER made with an Intel or AMD processors then that's a massive step forward, because on top of that you'll be getting way better battery performance and no overheating for the first time ever in a Windows laptop.
Why isn't anyone comparing the Intel Ultra 9 with the M3?
If they bring the same level o battery for Windows laptop, I'm in.
I'd argue Apple Silicon offers superior performance currently to Snapdragon X Elite, on par with current Intel and AMD offerings. We will see how M4 Apple Silicon models stack up against Intel Arrow Lake and AMD Zen 5 offerings by the end of 2024.
Still waiting for real life testing. All the benchmarks Q puts outs are not very meaningful. Especially when they are so dependent on MS and software developers on performance
Apple has started much needed revolution which Intel or AMD could predict looong time ago... instead they rather comfortably focused on their classic business model rather than pushing for something revolutionary. Especially notebooks were waiting for something like high performance & high efficiency for quite some time and both couldn't deliver until Apple made a right choice...
It's nice to see Qualcomm creating such a chip on the PC platform but I must say, they will have a tough job ahead with the Windows "heavy weight" platform. Apple had much simpler job to execute in much leaner ecosystem and environment based on very tight HW & SW integration. Microsoft on the other as we all know isn't really a "master of its craft" in this field...
I hope the rumors aren't true, I feel like a flop after so much hyping it up could stain Windows on ARM very badly and I want the space to grow. I do think ARM is the future even for desktop and I want it to be the standard ASAP.
Microsoft's Surface Pro (Business, so you get Windows Pro like V3) with Intel Core Ultra 7 Processor 165U, 32 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD. keyboard and stylus cost £2678.99 in the UK, Minisforum V3 early bird price with identical specification (including keyboard, stylus, laptop sleeve & screen protector), plus stronger processor and NPU, and faster RAM costs £1,159.00, which is less than half price!
Hope this chipset will be available in android tablets though, they're very under powered compared to iPad's
The advantage for Apple is that the computing experience is created by software and hardware created by the same company. It will be hard to beat the MacBook Air
This is irrelevant because it’s still on windows. It will be years or possible infinity before a windows device can offer a comparable experience to a Mac.
This is good for competition. May be future base MacBook's will support more external display's and even 5G. Does this competition threat provide the grain of truth behind rumours of Mac Studios and Mac Minis skipping a M series generation? Could we even get a Mac tablet computer to reverse the decline in iPad Pro sales?
Qualcomm just has to best M1 for their first gen chip. Then after, the gen-on-gen growth would take care of the rest.
multiple tier chips aint a "great idea". its just quality control. One wafer may yield many tiers of the same chip. So instead of chucking the lower and mid performing chips in the bin, rename them and sell at a cheaper price. But all that they are is faulty chips that didnt make the cut.
i hope Snapdragon X plus would support external GPU, not just onboard graphics like apple m serries.
pricing gonna be really aggressive,
since Qualcomm compares it with Intel 155H, such laptops cost same like base model M3 Air, but you get 32GB ram and 1TB ssd,
Apple will have to slash prices 3 or 4 times to remain competitive O.o
The ARM Chip Competition.
Please compare macbook vs asus rog zephyrus g14 (2024) !!
I don't think even the X-Elite will ever come close to Apple's Max chips. Plus, the GPU performance of the X-Elite seems more similar to an M1 chip than M3 Pro.
Let's wait for the actual Qualcomm ARM PC to compare with Apple silicon. This is not the first time they showed the benchmark but were not able to deliver.
The difference in GPU would depend on if OEM will decide to use dedicated GPUs which Qualcomm themselves confirm that the chips would support . And dedicated GPU would be better and faster than than Apple's integrated GPU
I think comparing these chips with M series processors of Apple doesn't make sense. If i want a Macbook, I will be using the Apple Processor. But, if i am using a Windows laptop, then i have options of using Intel or AMD or now Qualcomm.
Feel like this review is misleading so far this new chip isn’t really comparable to Apple.
Imagine to buy ipad m4 with ipadOS , vs Windows laptop, with full size OS , and 1/2 price. and more performance.
I switched from windows to mac last month and I am not going back, even if the PC is twice as fast. The main problem was always windows. It’s so stupid, unless they fix it I ain’t going back
It's not accurate to directly compare this chip with the M3 in benchmarks. We should wait for real-world performance data to make a fair assessment.
I found a used 15 inch air m2 with 8 gigs and a 512 ssd for 630 dollars, do yall think its worth it.
Where you found refurbished mac , i am worried about its condition
No matter what they say 8GB isn't enough outside of really light tasks. Light tasks AND disciplined to keep closing tabs perhaps you can make it work. Still had issues making the 16GB version work and eventually just went base m2 studio.
Clearly, even the X chip compares to M3 Pro, but you keep showing screenshots comparing it to the base model M3. Just because you visited Qualcomm faculties and they were nice to you doesn’t mean you have to push their narrative. So far, I’m seeing Apple’s M3 Pro chips win in most categories, M3 base in some and let’s not even discuss M3 Max (the real competitor to Elite). I can’t wait till M4, M4 Pro and Max come in November. Apple can swat Intel and Qualcomm for taking so many years to start to approach Apple silicon. Yes, competition is great, but disingenuous specs marketing is not. And yes, Apple does sometimes do that, but it is FAR rarer than the competition. The Wintel monopoly (Microsoft and Intel) literally hobbled the industry for a long time and then comes along Qualcomm, monopolizing with double dipping patent royalties and exaggerating performance. Microsoft still lies about their surface tablets. Google is a spyware, data mining receptacle for ads and for spooks and half of these companies have arms contracts and AI tech being used in mass murder around the world. I’ll take Apple’s walled garden any day.
ARM on windows needs to become like android: the best midrange options. There needs to be a well built laptop with a good screen (not matte VA and TN panel), decent keyboard, speakers and trackpad. It just needs to be able to run chrome almost as well as an m1 MacBook runs safari and for a similar price to an m1 MacBook air currently. Galaxy book2 go is probably the only low end ARM laptop and it costs $500 for a laptop that performs like a celeron and has a rubbish screen. To be fair, when I tried the galaxy book go originally before chrome even got an ARM version, the main issue was the 4gb of ram which made Edge pretty unusable. I'd want to try an 8gb ram 7c gen 3 laptop to see if it can do basic web browsing well because that is pretty much all I use a laptop for. I have not seen a single review of the galaxy book2 go either.
Tbh I really want Windows Laptop to succeed no matter it is Snapdragon/Intel/AMD...
The premium on additional RAM/storage by Apple is criminal...
Only if Windows can really outperform the Macs....
*Violins are playing*😂jk
By the time real machines are on the market with these Snapdragon processor at the M1 Level Apple will be selling M4 machines lol.
Performance aside, what matters is ARM software support. And x86 translation. In both MacOS is FAR superior.
3nm?
I want to see test with a real laptop, for now they promise a lot with can they deliver??
too be fair this snapdragon chip being Windows/ Microsofts entry to arm to compete with apple . it should be Gen 1 to Gen 1 comparison. Plus if this gen 1 being better then gen 3 of apple is true not fudged. then it can only go up from there . for their gen 2 and 3 chips . My take on it anyways
then they should compare it to first gen x86 also, like the 8080.
@@AndrewTSq i was thinking Arm to arm gen 1 that all
Apple been too sluggish with LTE on their MacBooks.
Can it play Games tho😑
Performance isn't everything. Windows sucks. Maybe if the perf is great linux could be a viable option for me but it would be hard to live without the integration i get with a mac.
I really want the competition to beat what Apple is doing as it will mean Apple will give us better chips when its their turn. Everyone wins.
I love that this chip supports so many external displays, you know the M4 will do the same now (if not more).
The days of x86 are over. Intel and AMD need to take this arch. seriously (which I know they are).
Too little too late for RISC-V sadly, at least for the next 5 to 10 years...
Their target is Intel and AMD. ARM processors, like Apple Silicon, will soon stand on equal ground. Apple will utilize its CPUs, while Qualcomm aims to dominate the PC market, where both CPU types compete evenly. The Intel x86 line becomes a historical footnote as both Intel and AMD decline, paving the way for Qualcomm and Apple to dominate for decades to come.
I like how everyone forgets Intel & AMD also have ARM licences. They aren't going anywhere kiddo
How can they target AMD and Intel if they can't even have gaming laptops? For day and office use? Yes. But never for gaming.
I don't think snapdragon should compare themselves with apple M chips, they are still a long way if they are comparing fanless base chip with their top and mid offering. They will get positive press if the compare themselves with Intel first and once they have establsihed themselves in the PC Laptop market, only then compete themselves with apple.
If you want macOS it does not really matter what the others are doing.
Exactly this. All that matters is macOS or Windows. If MS / Qualcomm can deliver, this will be a win for the Windows ecosystem and a threat to Intel / AMD
Same goes if someone wants Windows, so a moot point.
Of course it matters, there are many users willing to change OS, so the competition forces the prices to go down. Hopefully this is a good chip so that all users can benefit from it
You know why apple don’t add modem to laptop because Apple want you to use iPhone to share hotspot
Where can I buy an ultrabook with this chip today? Is it not all vaporware? meanwhile Apple is getting the M4 ready to actual ship in real devices as we speak.
Why spend so much time on a killer ARM processor just to waste it on windows. Get that thing on a Linux machine.
M3 Pro 💪💪
Threat to Intel? Definitely. Threat to Apple? Only for the Apple haters. So not really.
Microsoft is planning to bake advertisement inside there operating system... they realize common people won't know HOW INTRUSIVE THAT IS! it's been a decade and a half the last time I used Windows, thank goodness...
Quinn @ 36 seconds.
Com'on mate, ur videos are great but why put a catfishing thumbnail of an "MS Surface with Snapdragon X Chip" vs Mac? as if u are going to compare the chips urself.
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Windows is an inefficient os. Microsoft can't fix that
Sometimes it seems like you’ll run out of air 😅. Apple’s mmmmmmmmm….. threeeeeee… 😂 - Great video!