The Soldier who told him to "Shut his mouth" is my Great, Great Grandfather Frederick Herbert Hainge. I proudly have his medals to this day. I wish I could have met him. ❤️
I am very proud that Hedd Wyn was my uncle and his name was Ellis Humphrey Evans from Trawsfynydd.Although they were farmers one son had to be sent to fight in the war and he volunteered to do so.
@@WalesintheMovies The guy just in shot 3rd from the left @ 0:27 was me:) They let you take them uniforms home and can remember me and my mate going out on the town and getting blind drunk in them.
My great-great grandparents came from Caernarfon, Wales. Edward and Elizabeth Morgan. When Edward helped build the chimney for the local church here in Missouri where I grew up it was remembered hardly anyone could understand him because his Welsh brogue was so heavy.
@@maccacovi A 'cofi' huh? Is that pronounced as it looks in English? I did have to look it up and found this humorous posting from the actor Dewi Rhys that is a Cofi. He has written a book on Cofi humour called ‘Hiwmor Y Cofi.’[4] He comments:‘I don’t think we as Cofis try and be individual, but we just are. We like to think that we’re life’s losers, but we look forward to getting out there and doing different things. When you first meet a Cofi, you’re usually greeted with this deadpan sort of look, you can never tell what’s going through their minds. That’s probably down to shyness or a desire to be left alone. I think it’s fair to say that you don’t get much small talk with a Cofi’ [2] Looking at my family history my g-g grandparents were apparently friends of George Lloyd. I think around 1908 my g-g grandparents took a liner back to Wales to visit friends and family. My g-g grandma recorded everything that happened in letters mailed back to the local paper. They missed Wales but they had plenty of fellow countrymen around the small town of Dawn, Missouri where lots of Welsh settled in their new home.
I’ve met Huw Garmon who plays Hedd Wyn and I have been to Hedd Wyn’s restored home at Trawsfynydd. Well worth a visit. Although I’m English living in Wales the story has always fascinated me.
My great granny was a Welsh Bevan and my great grandad (A Saxon), met and married her near Hereford which of course is on the Welsh border. Despite that, I have never been attracted to sheep. They emigrated To Yorkshire during the agriculture recession of 1872 from whence I acquired my beautiful educated Leeds-ish tones.. They then cross bred with an Irish/Viking outfit hence me
"Oh, I know you is the Colonel's favourites. But he has to take one step outside this camp, and I'll have you on that train and UP THAT JUNGLE SO FAST, THAT YOUR FEET WON'T TOUCH THE GROUND!!"
For all the daft comments regarding the drill Sargeant.... please remember it wasn't his job to cuddle them and keep them safe, it was his job to make sure that when they were told to walk towards the guns....they went.
g2macs...yes I agree. The clip is rather confronting I will admit, especially perhaps to those of recent generations . Having been a recruit and a military instructor, the approach shown is now considered dated and in today's modern army would be considered borderline, and if on-going and sustained, could be seen as abuse. Recruits today bring with them the culture and social standards they grow up in and recent generations are upset when they are told to do things unless there is an immediate benefit, consultation has been undertaken, and everyone is loosely bound by a broad group consensus. Sadly this is not how war has ever been waged and will always involve making men do things like die for their friends as much as we need them to die for our country or political belief system. What we consider now to be unacceptable behaviour in peace-time was in fact an effective way of breaking down a person's individuality to replace it instead with a sense of belonging to a group and a hierarchy that at any time could lawfully order them to their deaths, or watch their friends go to their deaths, in war-time. It has been a long time since we had a large scale global war and societies have forgotten what it takes to make a civilian who doesn't want to volunteer for anything without an immediate benefit, into into a killing machine who would die firstly for his friends, for his country and perhaps lastly for the leaders who sent him to war... The method portrayed is ghastly by modern standards of behaviour... but it works when we need it to work. The following video is a rather strange counter-point but shows just one outcome of what drill sergeants and the recruit process can do; ua-cam.com/video/mI7iWmOIHiw/v-deo.html
My Uncle served with the R.A. in the Western Desert during WW2 and had Welsh speakers in his unit. They used to communicate to other units when to open fire etc in plain language over the radio as they knew no German would ever crack what they thought was a code!
That was shot in the middle of summer and let me tell you, them itchy uniforms aren't much fun in that heat. The snow was provided courtesy of the fire brigade.
So many people make comments here who clearly have no idea what drill NCO's were actually like in the times portrayed in movies like this one. This depiction is pretty true to life, young men joining up around the time of the Great War needed to be hammered into shape and the drill sergeant was the implement of choice.............you needed to learn the meaning of discipline, you needed to learn to obey orders and to function as a unit.....all of which the sergeant did. You can't judge or pass opinions based on today's thinking, because the times portrayed were different. From my own experiences, I can tell you that drill sergeants in real life were far more formidable and feared than they are shown in movies.......It's not about being fair, or being reasonable, or being kind, it's about teaching naive young men how to function as soldiers, and about teaching them how to kill, and putting a bit of strength into them so that they have a better chance of coping with battle, and possibly surviving on the battlefield. They were hard times, and it needed hard men............
❤️ Said with conviction darl, and my great, great grandfather was a tough man. The solider who told him to "Shut is mouth" is my great , great grandfather Fredrick Hainge. I hear his stories through my family. Still have his medals to this day. And also appreciate the military. So kudos to you sweets.
i couldnt disagree more, i think it's one of the most vile sounding languages i've ever heard. being a welshman myself i should be proud of it but i am not, and wierdly most people i know can't stand it! only the odd few i know from more towards mid wales seem to like it lol
@@CaptainOveur69 In ref to "i think it's one of the most vile sounding languages i've ever heard. being a welshman myself i should be proud of it but i am not."... I used to think like that as well but then I started to read about Cymru and carried on reading about my country's history that I just wasn't aware of, for example the Merthyr Rising of 1831 or the Llanelli riots of 1911. I began to view the Cymraeg (Welsh language) in a completely different way. I eventually realised that I had been Anglicised. I also started to read about colonialism and the effects that it has on the natives. I realised that Cymru is England's oldest colony and they want us to react to our own language in the exact same way that you and I had reacted. Remember history tells us that they have made natives ashamed of their own cultures and languages in different countries all over the world. The African-American Booker T. Washington who was a former slave and intellectual said “I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.” I also refuse to hate the colonisers of Cymru but I want to be a citizen of Cymru and not ruled by a foreign power. Decolonisation and education is the way to independence. If your an open-minded person then please read and think, if your not then I've just wasted a few minutes of my time. Nos da.
@@CaptainOveur69 Each to their own opinion, but to my Dutch ears, Welsh is a gloriously mysterious language, unlike any of the usual suspects French, German, English, Spanish etc. Learning it (so far) has been a joy. You can safely take pride in the Welsh language, that is, if you should choose to.
@@CaptainOveur69 you are not Welsh if you think the language is Vile.We that can speak and understand the language are proud to be able to.Bet you cant't sing the anthem .Cwilydd mawr i ti!
Only saw bits of it when I was a wee lad, it was one of those movies that my mum said was too violent; which meant COMPULSORY VIEWING !! It's very ,hmm; it's has the sort of 'grit' movies spend money on these days to try and imitate with high contrast, colour oversaturation, shite dialogue etc etc hope that's helped . . ,..
How the hell did we win battles like Crecy and Agincourt with our most vital part of our army not speaking ether English or French? As an Englishman it pains me to say this but without the Welsh bowmen we would have never won.
School kids' Welsh Not, soldiers court martialled for speaking Welsh, and so on. The Welsh off to be slaughtered for a needless war brought about by racist imperialists. Queen Vic had some charming offspring and grandkids. Note that this film and Solomon and Gaenor got Oscar nominations but were ignored by the BAFTAS (more like the EAFTAS). Welsh culture is still largely sidelined by the English-based media.
American here. Now if we switched out the British Army instructor with a US Army or US Marine Corps drill sergeant. It's probably going to sound something like this. I apologize ahead for anything one will deem as offensive 1:59 "Are you eyeballin' me, maggot? 2:01 "Cau dy geg, Sergeant" "YOU TALKIN' BACK TO ME?! DID I GIVE YOU PERMISSION?! UNLESS I GIVE YOU PERMISSION YOU KEEP THAT PIE-HOLE SHUT! THANKS TO THIS MAGGOT, YOU FARMBOYS WILL DO THE TEN MILE MARCH IN FULL GEAR AGAIN! MOVE IT! LET'S MOVE! LET'S MOVE! LET'S MOVE!"
In the British army a drill sergeant teaches precision drill as in on the parade ground, they are very shiny impossibly neat people who only walk at the regulation 30" infantry pace and have a vocal range of either 1 or 11. An NCO corporal or lance corporal would be instructing new recruits at platoon level.
Never been near the Light Div' av you boy? We were at the NAAFI having a brew long before every other mob got moving and we don't have Yank ranks lad ( like; a Drill Sergeant), sorry. The platoon NCO's did teach platoon level drill, the Sarge' taught company level ( In training depot), it was different in Battalion. Before "options for change" decimated the rank and file of all our experienced Riflemen, it would often be those old sweats who looked after our sniveling little hides. Some with far more experience and qualifications than ( let alone time served) most Sargeants and scarier too. But the one who really put the shivers up yer was the RSM (really scary monster) Regimental Sergeant Major, if he was on the parade ground.. life wasn't worth living.
@@CENTURION-xs6ky Royal Engineers, we were usually there first ensuring that you could get to the NAAFI or anywhere else for that matter but that was back in the early 80s.
This is the British Army he's not a Drill Sgt just a Sgt instructing them on Drill. The Rank Drill Sgt exsists but is different to the Sir Yes Sir type you see in yank films😉
Erik Sieghart Of course they would. There’s always that one yank in every comment saying the likes of ‘US training is harder’ ‘you would be getting screamed at’ etc.
LOL Something similar was when the crew of the communications ship USS Pueblo was captured by the North Vietnamese. They took a group photo of the entire crew and every man was giving the camera the middle finger. They told the N. Vietnamese it was a 'Hawaiian good luck symbol'.
It's a non commissioned senior rank, and has the authority that goes with it. But he is addressed only by his rank, rather than "Sir" as he doesn't hold the King's/Queens commission, which would make him an officer.
in 30 years in a Welsh Regiment I never met an 'ignoramus' like that sergeant , the part is grossly exaggerated. on the other hand Welsh Soldiers are great, and right up there with the Jocks as combat soldiers!
overopensights I was scrolling through looking for a comment by someone who’d been there and knew what they were talking about! Thanks - gross exaggeration is very much a Hollywood thing and a lot of people fall for it.
The purpose of the scene is to convey genuine attitudes among the British chain of command albeit in a dramatised manner (it is fictionalised after all). If you read for instance what Lord Kitchener had to say about the Welsh, you'll notice a lot of similar tropes to what this sergeant was stating (i.e. that they're ignorant, backward, unruly etc.). And to this day there are people, in England but also even among the Welsh themselves, who hold to similar derogatory notions. They can't understand the Welsh language and so are unable to engage with and truly evaluate the merits of Welsh literature, poetry, music etc. and yet still they blindly cling to the negative stereotypes regarding the Cymry.
The sarky looks and slow response would never be tolerated in real life, when the DS speak you move as fast as you can not just amble , looking at the DS like that would get you in the jail.
The film was pretty good, the Zulus cpuldn't take 'Men of Harlech" sung at them..As for the cplonial troops, we saw in the film how they buggered off before the singing started..:)
Yes, military history is full of blunders, and the Isandhlwana cockup is a classic because the commander wrongly assumed his riflemen would easily be able to ward off a spear-armed Zulu attack..That would have been true against a smaller Zulu attack, but at Isandhlwana they attacked in overwhelming numbers..PS- and apparently there was some delay in opening the ammo boxes to keep the riflemen supplied?
No matter how the ammo boxes were opened, it seems the Quartermaster at Isandhlwana was reluctant to issue ammo -"One of the survivors - a lieutenant named Horace Smith-Dorrien, who was destined to become a general in the First World War - recalled the reluctance of Quartermaster Edward Bloomfield of the 2nd Battalion, the 24th, to issue ammunition as the battle began."...Perhaps he was a "book man" doing everything according to regulations regardless of the changing situation?www.military-history.org/articles/3-popular-myths-of-isandlwana-1879-zulu-war.htm
I'm not from UK , but I wonder : did the british army had this problem during the first and second world war with the welsh and scottish soldiers ?... ( not speaking english )
Not so much in Scotland, when I was in Uni in the 1990s some of my classmates from North Wales asked me translate certain words for them. Welsh is still very much a first language in many parts of Wales.
Drill sergeant isn't convincing. There's no latent violence or menace in his voice. A screaming, snarling, drooling psychopath is needed to strike terror and really gain the recruits attention.
remember the old man telling me he was on the welsh guards[1949 1952] all his mates went into the royal welsh ..a welsh speaker he ended up in woking station waiting for the brookwood train[as I did 25 years later] when he was there he heard cymraeg and they were bangor and ynys mon lads..getting to Pirbright barracks it was june and the guards were doing duties in London..a lone rsm was hurling abuse at them going through the gates..they all replied in cymraeg [a bad move it was the fierce piggy rees from port Talbot[ hard as nails the old man said ex steel worker..brawler.hard drinker and not to be messed with...
i am from bangor and my dad was doing national service in Germany at around this time. Funny thing is these days bangor and port talbot .Well we get on and we are made welcome as they are in bangor. WICKED.
Haha where did you go to basic training, the nanny division? The sergeant didn't even fuck him up for breaking discipline and looking at him without permission.
@Mr Jigglesworth That's where you're wrong bucko. "Did I say look at me? Did you ask for permission to speak? Tight" Then the next 10 minutes of your life would be very unpleasant.
What a great film, I must watch this again, Afraid I need subtitles as my Welsh is very limited, I'd love to know what the soldier really said in Welsh that his pal translated as "he'll do his best sergeant".
Never EVER call an NCO by sir, really pisses them off. They earned those stripes through sheer blood and guts. Officers earn their place at times too but often is much more political compared to an NCO who simply has to slogg through shit to gain respect.
In ref to is this a comedy? Hi, I'm from Cymru (aka Wales). I suppose the scene is slightly comedic as the guy who can't speak English tell's the Sergeant-Major to "shut your mouth" in the Welsh language. As for the entire film it's not a comedy. The film is based on a true story about Hedd Wyn (1887-1917) who is a well known war poet in Cymru. He won the Bard's Chair, which is an annual award for the best Welsh language poem at the National Eisteddfod which is held every year and is a well known Welsh culture festival, but Wyn was unable to collect the Bard's Chair because he was killed in action on the Western Front during World War One. Ironically Hedd Wyn was a pacifist but took the place of his younger brother. I hope that helps. Nos da.
@@timsherlock3564 l was told by former army squaddie (who is a work colleague of mine) that when he was promoted to colour sergeant he told me he was surprised that he was addressed as "Sir" by lower ranks when on parade. Also in the movie Zulu , when the Colour Sergent was carrying out the last role call, he called out one name and one solider responded by saying "Colour Sergeant" but the Colour Sergeant responded by saying "...you address me as "Sir" ,Officer on parade!". This was because Chard (the Commanding Officer of Rourke Drift) asked the Colour Sergeant to carry out the role call therefore at that time the Colour Sergeant was the " locum" Officer at that moment. Along with this, you are very much incorrect, Colour Sergeants should NEVER be regarded or addressed as "Sergeant"!. You must highlight the distinction of the individual's rank!
@Perkin Warbeck noted but as said my colleague who did his "22" and who done his LE commo , told me his story when got promoted has a "Colour" got addressed by lower ranks on parade as "Sir". I questioned him, thinking that WO's were the only non commo addressed as "Sir", and he was adamant about it.
@@walboyfredo6025 When there is an officer on parade, even though the NCO is speaking, the troops respond with 'Sir', addressing the Officer. No officer present and it's Sgt or Colour Sgt...or 'Sir' if a Sgt Major.
It is from the from the first world war over 100 years ago now. He is from rural Wales from a Welsh speaking area, village and family I imagine. There was no proper national education system until the Butler act after World War II, so never might have been to school or to a Welsh language school set up by the local Chapel.
Konstantinos Nikolakakis Many reasons. Usually due to class. These lads probably were Welsh farmers, so education isn’t on the top of their list of priorities. Even though England ruled, the nations they ruled over still spoke their mother tongue - this goes throughout the Empire, but many did eventually learn English. On the other hand - and I cannot say as I’ve not seen this film - perhaps he was fucking with the Sergeant. Like the last comment. It came across as him saying something perhaps vulgar to the Sergeant, and to save his mate, translated it to something more appropriate.
As a starting point, you need to bear in mind that: - the Welsh language (or its predecessor) was here long before the English language arrived and developed from its Anglo-Saxon roots. - Welsh is legally recognised as having equal status to English in Wales. - in many areas Welsh is spoken as a first language, not as an affectation, or, as many tourists seem to believe, to annoy them, but as the language naturally learned and spoken at home. Having said this, there are still probably a very small number of monoglot Welsh speakers who live in isolated situations where their contact with officialdom is minimal - as an example, in the 1970s I worked as an electrician’s mate bringing an electrical supply to a remote farmhouse in mid-Wales for the first time. The family spoke only Welsh and it was a culture shock all around! The film is set over 50 years before this in the context of conscription for the 1914-18 war, and although. Hedd Wyn’s home village of Trawsfynydd was, and still is a ‘Welsh first language’ area, I think he understood the drill sergeant well enough!
As an American, that's exactly how I feel when talking to Brits on an Xbox headset. I need swedish players to translate their British English because at least the swede's speak proper General American.
Except Wales and Welsh culture isn't at the periphery of Britain, it's the core of a lot of British history and civilisation. The earliest writers of history in Britain were Welsh, the earliest vernacular writing in Britain is in Welsh, most of Britain's early mythology is Welsh, the longest continuously spoken language in Britain is Welsh (descending from early Welsh/Brythonic spoken from the lowlands of Scotland to Cornwall), the earliest and most influential saints in Britain and Ireland were Welsh, the basis for all of the Arthurian legends was a Welsh text, some of the finest and best regarded High Medieval poetry in Europe is in Welsh etc. etc. By your strange logic that population is the only measure by which we should give "regard" to a given culture or society, we should all just be consuming and supporting only Chinese and Indian media given that those nations have populations that dwarf that of England.
@@Tlevids Who cares what the sheep bothering Druids were doing 3,000 years ago. The Welsh have been (quite rightly), under the heel of the English for 700 years and they don't even know it... Could be the rain has fogged up their perceptions. Welsh is the language of the losers since before the Romans and continuing through to today with the Anglo-Saxons... My ancestors were from Hereford and had to discipline them often when they strayed over the border...
@@SunofYork Lmao, the gammon sock-puppet account strikes. The Anglo-Saxons under Edwin tried to conquer the Welsh in the 7th century and got slain, and then the Anglo-Saxons were conquered and ruled by the Danes, Cnut, then William of Normandy while the Welsh saw off both the Danish and Norman invasions. Yet according to your Victorian-era Nordicist logic, Welsh is somehow the language of the losers and not English which has been the language of the conquered across many centuries. Btw, if you have ancestry from Hereford you probably have lots of Welsh ancestry too after multiple raids, sackings, and migrations, so better stop complaining about the "sheep bothering Druids".
@@sam-2341 Many English people (not all) feel supeior and don't trust the Welsh for many reasons including many Welsh people (including me) believe in an independent Republic of Cymru aka Wales, free from British rule. Remember the Americans still use the phrase "Welched" to mean has broken their word and can't be trusted. This saying originated in England and is an old anti-Welsh saying. The word "Welsh" can also be spelt with a C as in an army regiment which were called "The Welch Fusseliers". The word "Wales" is an Anglo-Saxon word which according to most dictionaires means "Forigners", "outsiders" "strangers" or "Celts". While I have no problem with the word "Celts" I find the other words to be insulting which is why I use the word Cymru instead of Wales. As for English superiority, Cecil Rhodes the British imperalist who pillaged Africa said "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life." Pesonally I'm glad I lost this lottery.
Back Soon I don’t think that’s true at all about not trusting us, you speak to most English folk and their impression of Wales is usually positive. You can believe in independence if you want, personally I think it’s utterly pointless, we’re not oppressed in any way, we are free to speak our language and travel where we please. The whole part of colonialism is a moot point really, Welsh men were imperialist missionaries in India, there’s numerous books on the subject
@@sam-2341 Just because some Cymry colabrated with British colonialists does not mean that Cymru has not been colonised itself. That would mean that two wrongs makes one right. I'm a republican and your obviously a British unionist. Scotland will soon be independent while a united Ireland is inevitable. And thanks to people like you, who refuse to open their eyes, Cymru will end up as as a glorifed English county which is exactly what Henry the Eighth wanted. The current Anglo-Welsh border has existed since the annexation of Cymru. Cymry water is still stolen by private British companies like Seven-Trent. I could go on but I know it's a complete waste of time attempting to debate. I'am 59 years old and I've opened my eyes but British collabarators will never change.
For anyone wondering he said
"Shut your mouth seargent"
Thanks for translating
The Soldier who told him to "Shut his mouth" is my Great, Great Grandfather Frederick Herbert Hainge. I proudly have his medals to this day. I wish I could have met him. ❤️
I admire anyone who can smartass in basic and get away with it!
So is this scene historically accurate then?
@@TheGroundedAviator The Cymro...words are swords for them!
@@jwsoaresjones1560 I don't know that term, but probably agree!
@What Is Wrong With The World Yes it actually did happen ☺️
I am very proud that Hedd Wyn was my uncle and his name was Ellis Humphrey Evans from Trawsfynydd.Although they were farmers one son had to be sent to fight in the war and he volunteered to do so.
Am currently writing a full review of the film Dennis.
@@WalesintheMovies The guy just in shot 3rd from the left @ 0:27 was me:) They let you take them uniforms home and can remember me and my mate going out on the town and getting blind drunk in them.
"Who wants to do a bit of marchin up and down the square?"
... Off you go then
Well sarge, I’d rather be at home with the wife and kids
I am learning the piano
@@owencheng523 And I suppose you wanna go and practice
@@SpadgerMcTeagle1 I have a book I'd quite like to read...
My father from Swansea served with the South Wales Borderers throughout the 1930s. He and his mates called mother-tongue Welsh speakers Welshies
My great-great grandparents came from Caernarfon, Wales. Edward and Elizabeth Morgan. When Edward helped build the chimney for the local church here in Missouri where I grew up it was remembered hardly anyone could understand him because his Welsh brogue was so heavy.
Your a cofi then 👍🏻 one of the remaining bastions of the welsh language. That’s where I’m from
@@maccacovi A 'cofi' huh? Is that pronounced as it looks in English? I did have to look it up and found this humorous posting from the actor Dewi Rhys that is a Cofi. He has written a book on Cofi humour called ‘Hiwmor Y Cofi.’[4] He comments:‘I don’t think we as Cofis try and be individual, but we just are. We like to think that we’re life’s losers, but we look forward to getting out there and doing different things. When you first meet a Cofi, you’re usually greeted with this deadpan sort of look, you can never tell what’s going through their minds. That’s probably down to shyness or a desire to be left alone. I think it’s fair to say that you don’t get much small talk with a Cofi’ [2]
Looking at my family history my g-g grandparents were apparently friends of George Lloyd. I think around 1908 my g-g grandparents took a liner back to Wales to visit friends and family. My g-g grandma recorded everything that happened in letters mailed back to the local paper. They missed Wales but they had plenty of fellow countrymen around the small town of Dawn, Missouri where lots of Welsh settled in their new home.
I’ve met Huw Garmon who plays Hedd Wyn and I have been to Hedd Wyn’s restored home at Trawsfynydd. Well worth a visit. Although I’m English living in Wales the story has always fascinated me.
My great granny was a Welsh Bevan and my great grandad (A Saxon), met and married her near Hereford which of course is on the Welsh border. Despite that, I have never been attracted to sheep. They emigrated To Yorkshire during the agriculture recession of 1872 from whence I acquired my beautiful educated Leeds-ish tones.. They then cross bred with an Irish/Viking outfit hence me
This was a terrific film- very sad mind but very good.
1:55 his accent is even more southern than the South Pole
Mmm. I think Windsor Davies could show this guy a thing or too !
SHUTTTTTTT UPPPPPPPP
"Oh, I know you is the Colonel's favourites. But he has to take one step outside this camp, and I'll have you on that train and UP THAT JUNGLE SO FAST, THAT YOUR FEET WON'T TOUCH THE GROUND!!"
For all the daft comments regarding the drill Sargeant.... please remember it wasn't his job to cuddle them and keep them safe, it was his job to make sure that when they were told to walk towards the guns....they went.
g2macs that top secret battle plan wouldn't involve us climbing out of our trenches and slowly marching towards the enemy, would it?
@@romulan227 Unfortunately ....yes Darling.
g2macs...yes I agree. The clip is rather confronting I will admit, especially perhaps to those of recent generations . Having been a recruit and a military instructor, the approach shown is now considered dated and in today's modern army would be considered borderline, and if on-going and sustained, could be seen as abuse. Recruits today bring with them the culture and social standards they grow up in and recent generations are upset when they are told to do things unless there is an immediate benefit, consultation has been undertaken, and everyone is loosely bound by a broad group consensus. Sadly this is not how war has ever been waged and will always involve making men do things like die for their friends as much as we need them to die for our country or political belief system. What we consider now to be unacceptable behaviour in peace-time was in fact an effective way of breaking down a person's individuality to replace it instead with a sense of belonging to a group and a hierarchy that at any time could lawfully order them to their deaths, or watch their friends go to their deaths, in war-time. It has been a long time since we had a large scale global war and societies have forgotten what it takes to make a civilian who doesn't want to volunteer for anything without an immediate benefit, into into a killing machine who would die firstly for his friends, for his country and perhaps lastly for the leaders who sent him to war... The method portrayed is ghastly by modern standards of behaviour... but it works when we need it to work.
The following video is a rather strange counter-point but shows just one outcome of what drill sergeants and the recruit process can do; ua-cam.com/video/mI7iWmOIHiw/v-deo.html
And died for listening and for nothing. A mug's game.
And to give them skills that maybe will help them survive.
My Uncle served with the R.A. in the Western Desert during WW2 and had Welsh speakers in his unit. They used to communicate to other units when to open fire etc in plain language over the radio as they knew no German would ever crack what they thought was a code!
Maori in the NZ army Japanese Americans did the same thing!
When the British army was in Bosnia in the 90's, they had Welsh soldiers on radios as modern day code breakers.
@@TheGroundedAviator And the Navajo "Windtalkers" in the Pacific.
@@KnowYoutheDukeofArgyll1841 And Sioux elsewhere in Europe I think. Still a useful trick I think.
@@TheGroundedAviator Interesting. I shall have to look that one up. Nothing bamboozles an enemy more, than a unique language.
That was shot in the middle of summer and let me tell you, them itchy uniforms aren't much fun in that heat. The snow was provided courtesy of the fire brigade.
"Fuuukin' snow!"
@@WalesintheMovies Haha, It was Foam.
So many people make comments here who clearly have no idea what drill NCO's were actually like in the times portrayed in movies like this one. This depiction is pretty true to life, young men joining up around the time of the Great War needed to be hammered into shape and the drill sergeant was the implement of choice.............you needed to learn the meaning of discipline, you needed to learn to obey orders and to function as a unit.....all of which the sergeant did. You can't judge or pass opinions based on today's thinking, because the times portrayed were different. From my own experiences, I can tell you that drill sergeants in real life were far more formidable and feared than they are shown in movies.......It's not about being fair, or being reasonable, or being kind, it's about teaching naive young men how to function as soldiers, and about teaching them how to kill, and putting a bit of strength into them so that they have a better chance of coping with battle, and possibly surviving on the battlefield. They were hard times, and it needed hard men............
❤️ Said with conviction darl, and my great, great grandfather was a tough man. The solider who told him to "Shut is mouth" is my great , great grandfather Fredrick Hainge. I hear his stories through my family. Still have his medals to this day. And also appreciate the military. So kudos to you sweets.
The English hatred of all things Welsh is very real.
I love welsh so much it's beautiful
i couldnt disagree more, i think it's one of the most vile sounding languages i've ever heard. being a welshman myself i should be proud of it but i am not, and wierdly most people i know can't stand it! only the odd few i know from more towards mid wales seem to like it lol
@@CaptainOveur69 In ref to "i think it's one of the most vile sounding languages i've ever heard. being a welshman myself i should be proud of it but i am not."... I used to think like that as well but then I started to read about Cymru and carried on reading about my country's history that I just wasn't aware of, for example the Merthyr Rising of 1831 or the Llanelli riots of 1911. I began to view the Cymraeg (Welsh language) in a completely different way. I eventually realised that I had been Anglicised. I also started to read about colonialism and the effects that it has on the natives. I realised that Cymru is England's oldest colony and they want us to react to our own language in the exact same way that you and I had reacted. Remember history tells us that they have made natives ashamed of their own cultures and languages in different countries all over the world. The African-American Booker T. Washington who was a former slave and intellectual said “I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.” I also refuse to hate the colonisers of Cymru but I want to be a citizen of Cymru and not ruled by a foreign power. Decolonisation and education is the way to independence. If your an open-minded person then please read and think, if your not then I've just wasted a few minutes of my time. Nos da.
@@timmaloey Well said.
@@CaptainOveur69 Each to their own opinion, but to my Dutch ears, Welsh is a gloriously mysterious language, unlike any of the usual suspects French, German, English, Spanish etc. Learning it (so far) has been a joy. You can safely take pride in the Welsh language, that is, if you should choose to.
@@CaptainOveur69 you are not Welsh if you think the language is Vile.We that can speak and understand the language are proud to be able to.Bet you cant't sing the anthem .Cwilydd mawr i ti!
my arms have always hung from my shoulders and I have always bent my legs at the knee!
I like it! go you Welsh!
Never seen this film before, looks pretty good. I'll have to see if I can find it somewhere.
Only saw bits of it when I was a wee lad, it was one of those movies that my mum said was too violent; which meant COMPULSORY VIEWING !!
It's very ,hmm; it's has the sort of 'grit' movies spend money on these days to try and imitate with high contrast, colour oversaturation, shite dialogue etc etc
hope that's helped . . ,..
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@@fernandoflores4115 wasn't This a series
How the hell did we win battles like Crecy and Agincourt with our most vital part of our army not speaking ether English or French? As an Englishman it pains me to say this but without the Welsh bowmen we would have never won.
School kids' Welsh Not, soldiers court martialled for speaking Welsh, and so on. The Welsh off to be slaughtered for a needless war brought about by racist imperialists. Queen Vic had some charming offspring and grandkids. Note that this film and Solomon and Gaenor got Oscar nominations but were ignored by the BAFTAS (more like the EAFTAS). Welsh culture is still largely sidelined by the English-based media.
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
American here. Now if we switched out the British Army instructor with a US Army or US Marine Corps drill sergeant. It's probably going to sound something like this. I apologize ahead for anything one will deem as offensive
1:59 "Are you eyeballin' me, maggot?
2:01 "Cau dy geg, Sergeant"
"YOU TALKIN' BACK TO ME?! DID I GIVE YOU PERMISSION?! UNLESS I GIVE YOU PERMISSION YOU KEEP THAT PIE-HOLE SHUT! THANKS TO THIS MAGGOT, YOU FARMBOYS WILL DO THE TEN MILE MARCH IN FULL GEAR AGAIN! MOVE IT! LET'S MOVE! LET'S MOVE! LET'S MOVE!"
Cau dy geg, Sergeant. Ceuwch eich cegau blydi Sais i gyd.
Bob ap Bob Meddwl bod nhw yn rhywun
ddylsa fo di deud twll tin pob sais ir sgt.
@@richardwilliams58 byddai'n well!!
In the British army a drill sergeant teaches precision drill as in on the parade ground, they are very shiny impossibly neat people who only walk at the regulation 30" infantry pace and have a vocal range of either 1 or 11.
An NCO corporal or lance corporal would be instructing new recruits at platoon level.
Never been near the Light Div' av you boy? We were at the NAAFI having a brew long before every other mob got moving and we don't have Yank ranks lad ( like; a Drill Sergeant), sorry. The platoon NCO's did teach platoon level drill, the Sarge' taught company level ( In training depot), it was different in Battalion. Before "options for change" decimated the rank and file of all our experienced Riflemen, it would often be those old sweats who looked after our sniveling little hides. Some with far more experience and qualifications than ( let alone time served) most Sargeants and scarier too. But the one who really put the shivers up yer was the RSM (really scary monster) Regimental Sergeant Major, if he was on the parade ground.. life wasn't worth living.
@@CENTURION-xs6ky Royal Engineers, we were usually there first ensuring that you could get to the NAAFI or anywhere else for that matter but that was back in the early 80s.
Sergeants in every army in the world must be the same !
Sergeant probably already knew what he said and decided not to beast the hell out of him at that time.
This is the British Army he's not a Drill Sgt just a Sgt instructing them on Drill. The Rank Drill Sgt exsists but is different to the Sir Yes Sir type you see in yank films😉
Yes we called them Drill Pigs.... however, they had to do a course at Pirbright.
Marcus Smith They’re called DIs now, I’ve heard
Here I was thinking this was all quite a pleasant exchange. In the US the platoon would be doing push-ups while getting incomprehensibly screamed at.
Erik Sieghart Of course they would. There’s always that one yank in every comment saying the likes of ‘US training is harder’ ‘you would be getting screamed at’ etc.
@@Joe-fe4xi no you're confusing a depo instructor with a Drill Sergent which is a Senior Warrant Officer Rank ; and some Battalions have 2 . 😉
I didn't understand what he said in Welsh but I can imagine it wasn't "He'll do his best".
LOL Something similar was when the crew of the communications ship USS Pueblo was captured by the North Vietnamese. They took a group photo of the entire crew and every man was giving the camera the middle finger. They told the N. Vietnamese it was a 'Hawaiian good luck symbol'.
@@yoyo67803 it's shut your mouth
He said shut your mouth (in Welsh its cau dy geg
Llewod dan arweiniad asyn!
At pirbright barracks when I was there the drill instructor was in fact Welsh.. I think.
My was LSGT Topham ..August 1978
@@mcc9887 Did he beast you all?
@@MrRichymil... o yes up and down the sandhill and they Adair Walk, what days they were ...i did 6 years in the Micks
Richard Miller yeah he was our Drill Sergeant, has a go at a corporal who monged a change arms hahaha
@@sam-2341 Huh? Somebody translate.
I don't get it. Isn't sargeant an officer rank? Can anyone explain?
It's a non commissioned senior rank, and has the authority that goes with it. But he is addressed only by his rank, rather than "Sir" as he doesn't hold the King's/Queens commission, which would make him an officer.
Is this guy off bad lads army?
1:54 lol 😂 roasted
Your in the army now your not behind a plough you'll never get rich by digging a ditch your in the army now!
shoulder to shoulder marching into the machines guns, music playing, standing still doing nothing - works well when under cannon fire.
in 30 years in a Welsh Regiment I never met an 'ignoramus' like that sergeant , the part is grossly exaggerated. on the other hand Welsh Soldiers are great, and right up there with the Jocks as combat soldiers!
Nonsence. The British Military are proven murdering scum.
overopensights I was scrolling through looking for a comment by someone who’d been there and knew what they were talking about! Thanks - gross exaggeration is very much a Hollywood thing and a lot of people fall for it.
The purpose of the scene is to convey genuine attitudes among the British chain of command albeit in a dramatised manner (it is fictionalised after all). If you read for instance what Lord Kitchener had to say about the Welsh, you'll notice a lot of similar tropes to what this sergeant was stating (i.e. that they're ignorant, backward, unruly etc.). And to this day there are people, in England but also even among the Welsh themselves, who hold to similar derogatory notions. They can't understand the Welsh language and so are unable to engage with and truly evaluate the merits of Welsh literature, poetry, music etc. and yet still they blindly cling to the negative stereotypes regarding the Cymry.
The sarky looks and slow response would never be tolerated in real life, when the DS speak you move as fast as you can not just amble , looking at the DS like that would get you in the jail.
Good ol' Headwind. Looking forward to your review on the subject.
The taffs get stuck in when it counts, we seen what they dun to them bleddy Zulus..:)
The film was pretty good, the Zulus cpuldn't take 'Men of Harlech" sung at them..As for the cplonial troops, we saw in the film how they buggered off before the singing started..:)
The bottom line is that a handful of Brits took on the Zulu army and kicked butt..:)
@@freedomatlast8756 Both statements wrong haha
Yes, military history is full of blunders, and the Isandhlwana cockup is a classic because the commander wrongly assumed his riflemen would easily be able to ward off a spear-armed Zulu attack..That would have been true against a smaller Zulu attack, but at Isandhlwana they attacked in overwhelming numbers..PS- and apparently there was some delay in opening the ammo boxes to keep the riflemen supplied?
No matter how the ammo boxes were opened, it seems the Quartermaster at Isandhlwana was reluctant to issue ammo -"One of the survivors - a lieutenant named Horace Smith-Dorrien, who was destined to become a general in the First World War - recalled the reluctance of Quartermaster Edward Bloomfield of the 2nd Battalion, the 24th, to issue ammunition as the battle began."...Perhaps he was a "book man" doing everything according to regulations regardless of the changing situation?www.military-history.org/articles/3-popular-myths-of-isandlwana-1879-zulu-war.htm
I'm not from UK , but I wonder : did the british army had this problem during the first and second world war with the welsh and scottish soldiers ?... ( not speaking english )
I think killing or being killed has its own universal language
Yes , many soldiers especially from rural Wales were monoglot Welsh speakers.
Not so much in Scotland, when I was in Uni in the 1990s some of my classmates from North Wales asked me translate certain words for them.
Welsh is still very much a first language in many parts of Wales.
Whow plays the sgt
He said shut your mouth haha!
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Sometimes, it’s bad idea to call a Sergeant Major ‘sir’.
He's actually a regular sgt. Sergeant Majors are considered officers and therefore are to be addressed as "sir."
@@vin-dog575 U.S sergeants major are senior NCO, whereas British sergeant majors are warrant officers
Drill sergeant isn't convincing. There's no latent violence or menace in his voice. A screaming, snarling, drooling psychopath is needed to strike terror and really gain the recruits attention.
In my school wear learning about hedd wyn
So they're still using this movie in Welsh class xD
Do you mean "In my school we are learning about hedd wyn"? They do not seem to be teaching you good in English Callum.
Lien Doelcm maybe typing is on the syllabus for next term
Lien Doelcm ....and “teaching you good in english” .... really?
This guy is any recruits bloody f***ing nightmare.
remember the old man telling me he was on the welsh guards[1949 1952] all his mates went into the royal welsh ..a welsh speaker he ended up in woking station waiting for the brookwood train[as I did 25 years later] when he was there he heard cymraeg and they were bangor and ynys mon lads..getting to Pirbright barracks it was june and the guards were doing duties in London..a lone rsm was hurling abuse at them going through the gates..they all replied in cymraeg [a bad move it was the fierce piggy rees from port Talbot[ hard as nails the old man said ex steel worker..brawler.hard drinker and not to be messed with...
i am from bangor and my dad was doing national service in Germany at around this time. Funny thing is these days bangor and port talbot .Well we get on and we are made welcome as they are in bangor. WICKED.
Pretty sadistic drill sergeant. I am a military vet I could relate to that young soldiers contempt of his superior.
Haha where did you go to basic training, the nanny division? The sergeant didn't even fuck him up for breaking discipline and looking at him without permission.
It’s a movie you clown
@Mr Jigglesworth That's where you're wrong bucko. "Did I say look at me? Did you ask for permission to speak? Tight" Then the next 10 minutes of your life would be very unpleasant.
@Mr Jigglesworth Haha I haven't been in whatever sissy euro(or Canadian) branch you're thinking of. In Recruit training you get IT'ed for smiling.
Correct !! 👍💪
What’s the movie called ?
Hedd Wyn
What a great film, I must watch this again, Afraid I need subtitles as my Welsh is very limited, I'd love to know what the soldier really said in Welsh that his pal translated as "he'll do his best sergeant".
bertfrantic he said “shut your mouth”
shut up
Word for word "Close your mouth"
So I did a bit of research, and I figured out what the Welshman told the Sergeant.
"Shut your mouth, Sergeant."
Cau dy geg sergeant
He actually said your remind me of my favourite sheep.
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Never EVER call an NCO by sir, really pisses them off. They earned those stripes through sheer blood and guts. Officers earn their place at times too but often is much more political compared to an NCO who simply has to slogg through shit to gain respect.
That was funny , lol ......
I’m amazed the amount of comments made by individuals who can’t spell
And you cannot punctuate, sir.
At least they contributed an opinion rather than sneering at others.
Grammar Fascist
Not me !!! 💪🙏
They are moorrons that Kant speech Englisch.
Similar to the scene in Glory with the Irish sergeant and the black privates.
+Bob ap Bob yn wir Bob
Well, if it isn't bonny prince Charlie. Are you a gentleman? Are you a member of Congress? OR ARE YOU THE BLOODY PRINCE OF AFRICA????
Oh yes..He's a Color Sergeant all right! He's got the look!
Hey, american here, is this a comedy? Its hard to tell if this is dry humour or a dramatic, emotional scene..no disrespect either way
In ref to is this a comedy? Hi, I'm from Cymru (aka Wales). I suppose the scene is slightly comedic as the guy who can't speak English tell's the Sergeant-Major to "shut your mouth" in the Welsh language. As for the entire film it's not a comedy. The film is based on a true story about Hedd Wyn (1887-1917) who is a well known war poet in Cymru. He won the Bard's Chair, which is an annual award for the best Welsh language poem at the National Eisteddfod which is held every year and is a well known Welsh culture festival, but Wyn was unable to collect the Bard's Chair because he was killed in action on the Western Front during World War One. Ironically Hedd Wyn was a pacifist but took the place of his younger brother. I hope that helps. Nos da.
1:16 l was told that Colour Sergeants on parade are also called "Sir".
Sergeants/Colour Sergeants should be addressed as "Sergeant" (Sarnt)
@@timsherlock3564 l was told by former army squaddie (who is a work colleague of mine) that when he was promoted to colour sergeant he told me he was surprised that he was addressed as "Sir" by lower ranks when on parade. Also in the movie Zulu , when the Colour Sergent was carrying out the last role call, he called out one name and one solider responded by saying "Colour Sergeant" but the Colour Sergeant responded by saying "...you address me as "Sir" ,Officer on parade!". This was because Chard (the Commanding Officer of Rourke Drift) asked the Colour Sergeant to carry out the role call therefore at that time the Colour Sergeant was the " locum" Officer at that moment. Along with this, you are very much incorrect, Colour Sergeants should NEVER be regarded or addressed as "Sergeant"!.
You must highlight the distinction of the individual's rank!
@Perkin Warbeck noted but as said my colleague who did his "22" and who done his LE commo , told me his story when got promoted has a "Colour" got addressed by lower ranks on parade as "Sir". I questioned him, thinking that WO's were the only non commo addressed as "Sir", and he was adamant about it.
@@walboyfredo6025 When there is an officer on parade, even though the NCO is speaking, the troops respond with 'Sir', addressing the Officer. No officer present and it's Sgt or Colour Sgt...or 'Sir' if a Sgt Major.
@@Frogboxer as said to Perkin my Colleague was adamant on what he said plus our Boss ( who appointed him) was an ex ranker who ended up as a Lt Col.
I think the sergeant had a point.
Lmao
1:55 😂😂
Cau dy geg means shut your mouth.
+Bob ap Bob diolch!
Bob ap Bob Cau Dy geg
Maer saeson yn siarad cach !
Jacski Cywir
Da iawn.
Hehe funny voice
Why does this British soldier not speak English?
Learn what "British" means in all its context and you will have your answer 👍🏽
It is from the from the first world war over 100 years ago now. He is from rural Wales from a Welsh speaking area, village and family I imagine. There was no proper national education system until the Butler act after World War II, so never might have been to school or to a Welsh language school set up by the local Chapel.
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Why do the English hate the Welsh?
I don't, my mother was Welsh and father English.
They don't, more so the other way around. Lots of Welsh dislike the English because of old laws etc and their sporting ignorance!
@@graemepae2839 + Not the English I've talked to.
As a Welshman, I think theres a little more to it than "sporting ignorance."
I don't
This gay sargeant is trying to butch himself up. Obviously.
Takes one to notice one. Doris.
How would you know, you have never even met an NCO that was not a Hollywood character or in a computer game.
Oh what a knob.
How can you live in the UK and not speak english?
Konstantinos Nikolakakis Many reasons. Usually due to class. These lads probably were Welsh farmers, so education isn’t on the top of their list of priorities. Even though England ruled, the nations they ruled over still spoke their mother tongue - this goes throughout the Empire, but many did eventually learn English.
On the other hand - and I cannot say as I’ve not seen this film - perhaps he was fucking with the Sergeant. Like the last comment. It came across as him saying something perhaps vulgar to the Sergeant, and to save his mate, translated it to something more appropriate.
As a starting point, you need to bear in mind that:
- the Welsh language (or its predecessor) was here long before the English language arrived and developed from its Anglo-Saxon roots.
- Welsh is legally recognised as having equal status to English in Wales.
- in many areas Welsh is spoken as a first language, not as an affectation, or, as many tourists seem to believe, to annoy them, but as the language naturally learned and spoken at home.
Having said this, there are still probably a very small number of monoglot Welsh speakers who live in isolated situations where their contact with officialdom is minimal - as an example, in the 1970s I worked as an electrician’s mate bringing an electrical supply to a remote farmhouse in mid-Wales for the first time. The family spoke only Welsh and it was a culture shock all around!
The film is set over 50 years before this in the context of conscription for the 1914-18 war, and although. Hedd Wyn’s home village of Trawsfynydd was, and still is a ‘Welsh first language’ area, I think he understood the drill sergeant well enough!
Macdonald Maurice it is their job to be superior, the same techniques are used by every country’s armed forces
Macdonald Maurice sorry, it is hard to tell when someone is making a joke on this video. Rip
You can however live in the U.K. and choose not to speak English.
Britts...
In ref to "Britts". I am Welsh not British and I support the independent Republic of Cymru aka Wales.
BasFeeschaz
As an American, that's exactly how I feel when talking to Brits on an Xbox headset. I need swedish players to translate their British English because at least the swede's speak proper General American.
" British English" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
My oh my, Nocturnal Recluse, what a deeply ignorant person you are.
Typical chuffing, tosspot Wank!
ROFL what?
@@JnEricsonx + 🤦♂️
lol 100 pushups would teach him english real quick.
Population of Wales is 3 million..Yorkshire/Humberside 5.5 million...Scotland..the same... England 53 million.. The periphery get too much regard..
Too much regard from whom? A Welsh director makes a Welsh-language film about a Welsh poet - looks like a justified reason to portray the topic.
Except Wales and Welsh culture isn't at the periphery of Britain, it's the core of a lot of British history and civilisation. The earliest writers of history in Britain were Welsh, the earliest vernacular writing in Britain is in Welsh, most of Britain's early mythology is Welsh, the longest continuously spoken language in Britain is Welsh (descending from early Welsh/Brythonic spoken from the lowlands of Scotland to Cornwall), the earliest and most influential saints in Britain and Ireland were Welsh, the basis for all of the Arthurian legends was a Welsh text, some of the finest and best regarded High Medieval poetry in Europe is in Welsh etc. etc. By your strange logic that population is the only measure by which we should give "regard" to a given culture or society, we should all just be consuming and supporting only Chinese and Indian media given that those nations have populations that dwarf that of England.
@@Tlevids Who cares what the sheep bothering Druids were doing 3,000 years ago. The Welsh have been (quite rightly), under the heel of the English for 700 years and they don't even know it... Could be the rain has fogged up their perceptions. Welsh is the language of the losers since before the Romans and continuing through to today with the Anglo-Saxons... My ancestors were from Hereford and had to discipline them often when they strayed over the border...
@@SunofYork Lmao, the gammon sock-puppet account strikes. The Anglo-Saxons under Edwin tried to conquer the Welsh in the 7th century and got slain, and then the Anglo-Saxons were conquered and ruled by the Danes, Cnut, then William of Normandy while the Welsh saw off both the Danish and Norman invasions. Yet according to your Victorian-era Nordicist logic, Welsh is somehow the language of the losers and not English which has been the language of the conquered across many centuries. Btw, if you have ancestry from Hereford you probably have lots of Welsh ancestry too after multiple raids, sackings, and migrations, so better stop complaining about the "sheep bothering Druids".
Here lies the problem. The English don’t regard us as country’s but extended regions of England.
No time for the Welsh
Then why are you here?
George Anderson why? Some of the greatest soldiers, including my grandad were Welsh. Get your head out your arse
@@sam-2341 Many English people (not all) feel supeior and don't trust the Welsh for many reasons including many Welsh people (including me) believe in an independent Republic of Cymru aka Wales, free from British rule. Remember the Americans still use the phrase "Welched" to mean has broken their word and can't be trusted. This saying originated in England and is an old anti-Welsh saying. The word "Welsh" can also be spelt with a C as in an army regiment which were called "The Welch Fusseliers". The word "Wales" is an Anglo-Saxon word which according to most dictionaires means "Forigners", "outsiders" "strangers" or "Celts". While I have no problem with the word "Celts" I find the other words to be insulting which is why I use the word Cymru instead of Wales. As for English superiority, Cecil Rhodes the British imperalist who pillaged Africa said "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first prize in the lottery of life." Pesonally I'm glad I lost this lottery.
Back Soon I don’t think that’s true at all about not trusting us, you speak to most English folk and their impression of Wales is usually positive. You can believe in independence if you want, personally I think it’s utterly pointless, we’re not oppressed in any way, we are free to speak our language and travel where we please. The whole part of colonialism is a moot point really, Welsh men were imperialist missionaries in India, there’s numerous books on the subject
@@sam-2341 Just because some Cymry colabrated with British colonialists does not mean that Cymru has not been colonised itself. That would mean that two wrongs makes one right. I'm a republican and your obviously a British unionist. Scotland will soon be independent while a united Ireland is inevitable. And thanks to people like you, who refuse to open their eyes, Cymru will end up as as a glorifed English county which is exactly what Henry the Eighth wanted. The current Anglo-Welsh border has existed since the annexation of Cymru. Cymry water is still stolen by private British companies like Seven-Trent. I could go on but I know it's a complete waste of time attempting to debate. I'am 59 years old and I've opened my eyes but British collabarators will never change.