Type Four Subtypes - An Overview
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2021
- This video is part of an ongoing series on Enneagram Subtypes. Here Bea Chestnut explains the Self-Preservation, Social and Sexual Type Four subtypes.
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I’m sp 4. In my head I’m just like a social four but out in the real world i put on a facade. In my friend group I’m the goofy and stupid one, the one who’s always tryna put a smile on people’s faces, I don’t wanna show people how melodramatic and broken I really am, I like deep things and I like to dwell but I don’t want to show them all that. I don’t want people to know about it. I have a few friends I tell stuff to but other then that I don’t rlly have anyone. But the people I tell stuff to is all usually on accident. I vent to people by accident. I’m social online with the safety of being anonymous
4w5sp 459 and I love that so many SP's are here because we are not the typical 4 which threatens our identity so any help we can get we'll take - i think SP4's are written up beautifully in her book - its the best reference so far I've found on 4's in general.
Underneath every superiority complex there is a inferiority complex and vice versa, ty Ma'am, I'm gonna borrow this
SX4 - I sometimes feel like my anger is my only respectable trait, even though it's definitely nothing to be proud of. But, I hate feeling down, it makes my skin crawl and I always have this internalized vision of my guardian looking at me as if I'm pathetic just for feeling sadness / insecure / etc. But anger - anger makes others take you seriously, it makes them listen and it usually doesn't make people pity you. I genuinely wish to become a person who doesn't define themselves through their anger alone, but sometimes, it's the only emotion that can make me get things done. It's powerful and destructive and really tiring, but it's "better" (for my ego) than the sad alternative. I don't like people perceiving me as weak, and whenever they do show compassion towards me, I confuse it with pity and believe they are looking down on me, which again triggers my anger. I feel like SX4s are wounded, cornered animals that hiss and claw at you out of desperation, because it is their last resort. That's what being a SX4 feels like - being on the verge of something. Walking on eggshells when dealing with yourself. A ticking bomb no one wants to get close to. There is this war of everyone against me that only I perceive because it is not true - it's a past I hold onto because I never learned to move on - and when people try to get closer to me, they realize that I am still fighting a battle that's long over, but not for me. I know that sounds dramatic, but that's my experience as a SX4. I don't blame people for finding me difficult to be around, because I AM. It is an exhausting reality that I work every day on because I don't want to end up bitter and alone, and I know that there is another me that I have never given the chance to show herself. Someone less angry, more open towards life, and courageous enough to hope. Living with this constant pressure inside your mind and body wears you down.
I don't know what the purpose of this comment is. Anyways, I thank you for your wonderful descriptions and for the opportunity to express ourselves in your comment section. Have a wonderful day ❤
Sometimes I feel like I have to get angry just to take care of myself. Like when I finally find the motivation to do whatever chore that needs to be done, I notice I'm always angry about it and if people try to talk to me or anything it's just like, "I've finally found the strength to get this done, and now you're going to make me fail!"
So, as a social 4, my social 9 mom once said to me, ‘It’s almost as though you like being depressed.’ I paused and had to ultimately agree, even though a part of me says, no no! (I am so/sp.) When my mom said that, she was beside her sx 2 friend, who looked at me like I was an alien, ‘You like being depressed????’ She asked. They call it ‘depressed’ but what they mean is melancholic. There is a difference, but to them I think it means the same. But to me, those are 2 different things.
The first time I read the 4 Type description, I remember feeling like I wasn't getting very much credit for trying. Do I struggle with comparison and envy? Yes, but I try really hard not to! Do I have a melancholic disposition? Yeah, but I've always put my storm clouds aside for my loved ones! Do I tend to withdraw? Yes -- EMOTIONALLY, but physically I work really hard and tend to keep myself busy. The first time I read the type description I felt like I agreed with some parts, but overall it seemed to only be magnifying the parts of myself that I worked really hard to self contain. I just didn't feel like I was getting any credit for my effort, so it felt like the type never truly fit. Now I realize I'm just the counter-type, and I feel really seen. Even my reaction to reading the type description is indicative of my subtype! I feel really validated. I'm in tears, actually. Thank you so much for this. I'd love to hear more about the self-pres 4 from you!
That's beautiful, Chelsea! We're so glad you came across this and that it resonated so much with you.
Lol… as an SP 4 myself I am reading this and thinking… but how come you’re not relating to it if you sound bang on like an SP 4, taking pride in suffering quietly… only to realise half way through it took a while for you to get to the subtype. It’s uncanny for me how accurate this bloody thing is, frankly I don’t know if I have ever felt myself so seen and reflected by a profiling methodology, especially the subtype. And it has provided a much needed impulse for self-care, emotional attunement coz damn I do repress by just getting on with it and then feel proud and then colapse from exhaustion.
reading your text is so weird because I feel like someone just wrote my thoughts lol
I’m so grateful you describe the counter type! I’m a SP4 and Most descriptions of 4 never resonated with me.
I'm so glad!
This is amazing how most comments come from self pres 4s! I am SP 4. And for a long time I felt almost pressured to divulge and share my feelings and I HATED it. It wasn’t until I claimed the part of my identity that says ‘I am private’ that I felt like me. And yes I know that I need to learn to share well but now it’s more of a choice rather than ‘should’.
I’m also a SP 4, and I think if most people had to guess my type they would probably say I’m either a 5 or a 9 because I just don’t show that same level of emotionality as most 4s.
Great descriptions, thank you.
Im sp but i express dissatisfaction and anger (but not sadness) easily with my family but not others. I just want to appear strong and avoid looking pathetic but im apparently not very successful judging by how others treat me like im fragile. I also have a babyface so that doesnt help. I think im sp/sx
I’ve just seen someone online saying this, “omg you guys, I was such a sx4 child, I was DISGUSTING!!!!. I would randomly go around bullying and hurting people for no reason. No matter what they did, wether I got gifts or affirmations I’d still insult them horribly. But now I don’t relate to sx4 AT ALL.”………Ma’am, I’m a sx4 and I don’t do this, not even when I was unhealthy. Im not blaming you because you can’t control people, but everyone is basing us off your description which causes most of us admitted or not to try our best and not identify as such. Feeling ashamed and lying for no apparent reason but than to not be stormed online when we are just trying to have a good time. I’ve seen UA-cam videos of us having to fight for our lives and it all leads back to your description.
Agreed. This particular description (i mean the video) was fine, but i've seen a LOT of laughably over-the-top depictions of sx4 being cruel and hurting others for no reason, like we're some sort of cartoon villain. Maybe it's because i'm the more introverted 4w5 or because i'm sx/sp and the self-pres always kicks in to bring down the intensity a bit, but i rarely even express my anger or engage competitively with others. And i've seen other people on reddit, etc. complain about the sx4 description not fitting them as well, so... yeah we're kinda getting a bad rap out of nowhere on this one. It seems every personality typing system out there has some types chosen randomly to get hammered with all the negatives (*cough cough infp cough cough intp*)
Agree
thank you so much!
i'm a self-preservation 4, and everything you said fits me. i had doubts that i could be a social 4, but i'm totally a sp4… probably with 1 somewhere in the tritype (I'm considering 416).
my SP and SO scores were almost the same with the IVQ test but I believe the SP is dominant, if there is such a thing as a dominant instinct. You probably have some overlap like me between the two. I enjoy being both actually, I feel like neither surprise me now when they come up.
@@BryanDoesCinema it’s possible to have a dominant instinct, for sure.
you can be for instance, sp4 and then have the second predominant instinct, which can be sx or so, and you end up with a sp/sx or sp/so stack!
this means that you’re a self preservation four in the first place, but there's another one where you can see you lot too, that would be the second place.
it’s like a order, you put the instincts in an somewhat order of decrease, following as a greater identification for less identification.
there’re many possible combinations of types and seem totally different.
just see how fits better in you and then put the second one in the side position (sp/so4, so/sp4), (just to point it, in the first example the 4 belongs to the sp instinct).
Sx4 is the least relatable iv, but it still relatable. e4 is relatabke in everything tho
I always thought of myself as a Social Four until I read deeper into the 1:1 subtype. My cold-blooded, ferocious side and the data surrounding the 1:1 subtype in general - focused on the quality and durability of the relationship - run way deeper than my desire to be part of the pack. I can be melancholy and attached to suffering ... but far more viscerally, I'd prefer to take a baseball bat to the source of my suffering and end their family tree.
I don't think I realized this before but I actually do have a lot of anger as a sexual 4. But I always viewed anger as like how Type 8s are angry instead of the brooding envious type of anger I can have. I am mad at the world and mad at society and sometimes I feel like I want revenge for something "it" did to me. I feel like everyone is undermining me and no one really listens which just makes me more upset.
Sexual Fours make others suffer as an unconscious way of trying to rid themselves of painful feelings of deficiency. They express “an envy that wants,” unconsciously turning their pain at inner lack into feelings of anger about not getting what they need from others.
@@ChestnutPaesEnneagramAcademy "Um, actually everyone else is the problem and I'm the only one who understands things here."
Thanks to you I realised my anger did not make me an 8, but grrrrrrrr. Yes: a sexual 4.
I'm sx4!
They all hate us. All we have to do is mention and it’s automatic red flag for everyone it’s exhausting.
Sp4 here🙂.
Social as well.
@@Jessicaunarex nvm, i'm sp4. Was just going through a stress crisis🤭
Very informative. I’m so distracted by her hair though.
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