Why Does God Allow Evil - author of The Shack - WM Paul Young | God is Grey
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- WM Paul Young and I discuss how to forgive, Eve, the masculine and feminine, harsh upbringings, and writing religious allegory. #Christian #GodisGrey #exvangelical
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I was SO blessed by this conversation. God isn't good for his capacity to prevent all evil. God is good for his capacity to bring goodness out of any evil.
My father is a Baptist preacher. Not once has my dad told me to be meek or quiet. Not once has he told me that I couldn't preach the Gospel. He has never told me that I had to submit my authority. He has never told me my body was only intended for men or that my virtue was my only worth. He has never dictated my level of modesty or confined me to certain gender roles. He has never silenced my questions, concerns, thoughts, beliefs, or feelings. My dad sees me as an equal and nothing less. He brought me up to be a strong-willed, stubborn, vocal woman who loves people and Jesus. He has been my ultimate encourager, protector, mentor, and rock. It makes me extremely sad knowing that so many women and children are treated in opposite ways. I’ve seen how so many twist scripture into something it is not in order to maintain power and control. It disgusts me when I see this happening because I know from my dad and my own findings that these interpretations and actions are not of God. I am so grateful to those that have spoken out and fought these ungodly practices. It’s about time for Christians to stop creating this toxic behavior that hurts people.
Seems like a horrible teacher and not a great father.
2 Peter 2: "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive opinions. They will even deny the Master who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Even so, many will follow their licentious ways, and because of these teachers[a] the way of truth will be maligned. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words. Their condemnation, pronounced against them long ago, has not been idle, and their destruction is not asleep."
@@nemo2341000 sounds like a great dad and teacher to me. I'd be inclined to quote the same verse back at you in reference to people who teach otherwise, but I won't because I know that quoting scripture to someone who disagrees with your interpretation doesn't really help.
OMG YOU INTERVIEWED THE AUTHOR OF THE SHACK!?! THATS SO FRIGGN AWESOME ❤️ The Shack is one of my favorite Christian movies. The representation is fantastic, but it’s crazy that it took till 2017 to get an Israeli actor to play Jesus 🤷♀️
Also Octavia Spencer is love. Octavia Spencer is life.
I’m pretty new coming back so I hadn’t checked this out yet, but I’ll have to read it. It seems my style. I’ve been listening to some Great Courses on religion and philosophy so this seems like it might be for me.
Katie Marie ooo what podcasts have you been listening to?
I am just now getting back to it so I’m still looking around right now. I watch Brenda’s channel. I’ve watched a few of your videos. I have been listening to more historical based things too like the great courses short course on the history of Gnosticism and the disorder of the early church. I also like learning about interactions between culture and religion too like how Christianity came to Russia and people kept folk beliefs too even though it was technically not allowed and so created a unique culture.
I agree! Also I didn’t know you made your own content too! I just subbed : )
Christie Stevens thanks love xoxo I love reading your comments too!
The Shack is one of the most eye-opening/heart-opening/mind-opening/spirit-opening books I've ever read.
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I saw the movie The Shack and I didn’t approve! Just my opinion ! I am a KJV Bible Believer only ( Ruckman ) is my favorite! It says spare the Rod , Spoil the Child
God is not the author of confusion! He is all knowing and he is still in charge
Yet not very biblical !!
@@marcystrycula6583 and that's probably why you use black and white thinking and probably dont have your children or grandchildren call you.
The gender roles segment touched me in a way I wasn't expecting. I absolutely love the part about "bringing up a child in their way". I never thought I would or could hear that from religion and how powerful that is. But I like the gender roles of being a lion part and a lamb part, and every human has both, and needs to balance both. Thank you
I loved this conversation. Hearing such a famous author within Christian culture affirm so many conclusions that I’ve been having in my prayer life, such as humans not being inherently sinful, has made me feel so valid and free. I feel so awkward having conversations with those who follow mainstream Christian culture/theology, but this conversation just tells me once again that God does welcome me in His church.
@Edmund Spenser No, the truth is better than what’s popular.
Yay :)
@Edmund Spenser no. What does it say on page 1 of the bible? God made us in God's image. How can the core truth about us be that we're inherently rotten and bad?
If I addressed everything I enjoyed about this conversation, I would be writing a book. So, I would just like to say that the care, sincerity, and (of course) love that you continue to broach every subject with and the gentle kindness that Paul has brought as well has truly touched my being. Thank you.
"You're worth the work." I have chills. This is so, so good.
they will not rip me out of my prison, but they will be with me and love me until I am willing to walk out that door ♡ that's lovely, I really needed to hear that right now
That is a mistake I felt teachers in my school never understood especially in their action, they were only a select few teachers who understood each child is different and so is the method of handling them.
Heck even dog experts say each dog is unique, even within breeds.
I’ve always said God, Jesus I’m fine with, it’s His people I can’t stand.
Brenda, I absolutely adore your channel. I'm an Orthodox Jew, but I find your take on G-d and spirituality and a personal relationship with the divine so refreshing and inspirational and gives me so much food for thought. Don't ever stop what you're doing 🥰🥰😙
The shack was so hard for me to read. Especially now as a mom due to the subject matter. My mom got it for me when my dad was dying of cancer and the scene where the character was speaking with Jesus really changed me. I thought I could “will” God to “fix” my dad and the feeling of surrender I felt after reading that book allowed me to enjoy the last year I had with my dad. I do believe God has shown me the good that has come out of the loss for me personally but it would be too long to write here but gosh thank you for having this conversation. It is so fruitful a year later!
Had Mormonism not ruined religions for me, I’d probably be a happy progressive Christian. Sighhh
Baptists ruined it for me and I’m only now getting over it over ten years later... I don’t think people like that realize how much they are driving people from religion. And then they wonder why attendance levels are way way down.
Christianity the way it is supposed to be practiced is not intended to be religious. It is intended to be a real personal relationship with Jesus. It’s never too late to run to Jesus. Don’t let the deceptions of bad and false doctrine keep you from following Christ.
If you read The Shack, by the guy on this video, that may well help you.
@@rissroo4325 That's actually what religion originally means. The word comes from a latin word which means "to connect".
Try these sites they have helped me. World events and the Bible. Theseason.org. The American Wisdom series.
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"Forgiveness is for the sake of the victim, it's not for the sake of the perpetrator, reconciliation which takes a long time and a lot of certain things have to be in place is rebuilding of trust and that's or the sake of perpetrator, but forgiveness is for the sake of the victim, otherwise they will carry the corpse of that memory or event around them and it will become their prison that they call home. "
I'm 15 and I absolutely adore your channel. I was wondering if you could make a video about learning to love and appreciate our bodies. I an currently dealing with discontent with my own body, and feeling like I want to be skinnier, healthier, and just wanting to be different. I exercise and try to eat healthy not because I love myself and want to take care of the vessel God gave me, but because I want other people to like the way I look. I need help shifting my perspective so I can truly learn to love myself for who I am. I am envious of other women with "better" bodies and it's so difficult to be happy for them instead of jealous. You are someone I really look up to and I hope you can share your wisdom on this subject if you aren't too busy!
Saw your comment and was saddened to hear your struggle. Have a read of song of songs and take note of how the beloved (the woman/the one pursued by God) describes and compares herself with the other women, and yet remains confident in her own beauty, because she knows that the lover (the man/God) is enthralled by her for who she is.
Remember while reading that song of songs can be read as an allegory of God's pursuit and passion for us.
I was raised chatolic and I loved being a Christian to the point where all my family had cut ties with the church except for me, that was until I realized I was bisexual and I stopped believing in God because I couldn't deal with all the homophobia and rejection to LGTB+ folks. I want to thank you Brenda, for this channel and this podcast (this episode was very inspiring!) After feeling hate for years from the Christian community, your channel has made find love from God and Jesus. You have no idea the beautiful impact your channel is having in so many of us.
But why would you stop believing in God just because of homophobia? There are so many different interpretations of God and gods throughout multiple religions. Some religions are supportive of LGBT people. Regardless, even if God was a homophobic jerk, that wouldn't necessarily have any bearing on his existence. Do you just mean you stopped supporting said God's actions, rather than that you did not think he existed?
No disrespect intended. It just confuses me because I'm a homosexual atheist, and religious people often assume that people are atheists because we don't like certain Christian policies. I usually tell them that this is a common misconception because that's never logically made sense to me, and I never met an atheist who was an atheist because of that. However, I'm interested on your perspective on this.
@@BSR-zy2so That's a very good question. Believing in God or not is not a choice, just like I'm sure you didn't chose to be an atheist. It was incredibly painful for me to be involved in a church that hated me for my sexuality and that was repeating to me that I couldn't be myself because that would send me to hell; it's very very traumatic. Imagine if you came out to your family as homosexual and they rejected you, you would push them away right? It's not that you stopped loving them, it's that is just too painful to handle. That was my situation with my church an christianity, I had to push it all away, including God because the church rejected me, the majority of christianity rejected me and I was taught that God hated me for being bisexual (something that you, as a homosexual, must know that you can't change). I stopped praying, I stopped reading the bible, and I pushed God aside as much as I could, til that wasn't in my mind anymore. At that time there were no LGTB affirming Christian churches around me, luckily, there's one now in my city.
Believing that atheists don't believe in Christ because they don't like some Christian aspects sounds crazy to me, I've never heard that, you're right that it's a huge misconception, I don't know why beinc christian has to be the default. Most Christians were taught that there is only one way to interpret the Bible, you either follow the whole interpretation or you're not a real Christian. There's one thing that doesn't align with your morals and don't feel comfortable following it? You're not a real christian. God is Grey talks a lot about this, check her video titled "Are you even a Real Christian"
@Çerastes There are definitely LGBT-affirming Christian churches. They just don't have a presence in certain areas. Really, this is just a No True Scottsman Fallacy. There are many ways to interpret the Bible and Jesus's teachings. We can't limit the term to only describe people who believe like you. There are more specific adjectives that you can use to specify what type of Christian you are: Fundamentalist Christian, Evangelical Christian, Conservative Christian, etc... You don't get to designate yourself to speak for all Christians. They're diverse in ideology.
@@shellyloonatic5318 Thank you for sharing your story. I think I understand now. You mean that you stopped thinking about it because of the rejection, and the concept became unimportant to you until now. I'm sorry that you faced so much discrimination and prejudice. Wishing you the best!
@@BSR-zy2so thank YOU for this great conversation and for your incredibly well worded response to that person saying that you can't be LGTB (or affirming) and a Christian.
Ok this is when I click “Like” and THEN watch. Let’s go!!
My boyfriend's grandfather has PhD's in theology and apologetics and he told me that THIS (allowing evil) is the question he gets asked most often.
What’s his conclusion on studying the Bible and lgbtq? Sorry for the random question😅🥺
@@twentyfingles3885 I havent had the chance to ask him about lgbtq because I just met him and with this subject. There are things I assume he believes but I'm not going to say without knowing for sure. I do know that he still loves them though.
@@Lemon-rc5tn Ugggh, I hate it when Fundamentalist Christians say things like that they don't approve of the gay "life style" but that they love us anyway, as if that makes everything cool. It's the same old hate dressed up in a prettier outfit. It has little positive effect on our rights either way.
And answer really is simple according to Gods Word the Bible then we as humans want to muddy the water so to speak and bring in our feelings and opinions ! God allows evil on the earth for a short period of time before he imprisons the Devil and his fallen angels and human followers in the lake of fire ( all events talked about in the last book of the Bible ; Revelation ) !
@@BSR-zy2so Can you not agree with a Drug Addict doing drugs, and not hate him at the same time?
Hello from an atheist
Baz Strutt same . I’m not Christian but I want too learn more about religions
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Hiya
I know this was posted 2 months ago, but I keep coming back to it. I think I’ve listened to this full audio at least 6 times. This conversation in particular is so special. Thank you for sharing!
Brenda, I just wanted to tell you Thank You, for all that you do with your channel!!
I feel that if there is anyone out there who can help keep my faith in God alive, it’s you.
I’ve been struggling for a while now with very hard, angry feelings towards religion.
But listening to what you have to say has helped soften the hardness and pain in my heart. Thank you.💜
(And that poem at the end... omg 💗😭💗)
Christianity really damaged my relationship with other women particularly. Yeah I was one of those bitches who thought I was above everyone because I didn’t have sex and whatnot. I severely judged every girl who wasn’t doing the same and I genuinely believed I was an altogether better human being than them. Who gets to decide who’s a “real” Christian? This question goes out to both fundamentalists and progressives. Also, if anyone can use the Bible support their own views, does that make it less meaningful?
*"Christianity really damaged my relationship with other women particularly"*
Remember, those that do not like the truth are often insulted by it. They may also dislike those that tell it. Sadly telling the truth can often cause division between those that tell it and those that do not want to hear it... It is not wrong to judge rightly. Do you think it is in their best interest to wait to be judged by God after death then to warn them now?
If your friend who disbelieves in trains is sitting on the tracks and you see a train coming should you let them be ripped to shreds because you did not want to insult their disbelief in trains? Do you think they will be happy with your choice to let them get killed? Do you think that that is how one treats those that they love?
*"if the Bible can interpreted in so many different ways, doesn’t that lessen it’s value?"*
The only correct understanding or interpretation of anything anybody writes is the one intended by the writer not the misunderstanding of the reader.
How could your misunderstanding of the bible in any way make its meaning any different then its writers intended? Your misunderstanding is your fault not theirs.
@@GSpotter63 yeah but the truth is wearing a top with cleavage doesn't make you any lesser as a human. And sometimes it isn't even intentional. Was talking with my fiance about when you have crushes on your teachers in high school and he was saying he had very young teachers and the ones everyone had a crush on had cleavage or a noticeable generous bum. And back then, he said that he thought these ladies were "putting it out there" but reflected that now that hes older he sees how some women just have large bums or bosoms and are just trying to fit into professional button up blouses or pencil skirts....and had a lady who was more petite like myself come in with a button up or pencil skirt no one would suspect me of being immodest.
So...that said, these things are hardly something to base judgments on someone's character. And if I, a dumb mortal human, can figure that out....I'm sure the vastly intelligent creator of the vastly amazing universe isn't furrowing his brow about it.
Modesty is also very geographically contextual. In Hawaii churches are alive and well and I've been to many and I've seen many church brethren without a shirt. I've seen many church sister's general shape of their bodies. And nobody got rabidly tempted or was aghast. In Hawaii you're just very used to that. But maybe a church in Michigan would find this extremely shocking and immodest
The Bible can't be interpreted in many ways, not if you read it all, and in context. Many people simply haven't read the full bible, or studied it outside of what was taught to them by others.
Even the denominations aren't really that different in the grand scheme of things, they mostly just focus on different aspects of the gospel message. Baptists generally focus on baptism, Pentacostals on speaking in tongues, Catholics focus on traditions that claim to be passed down by Peter and his followers, etc etc.
GSpotter63 Whether or not authorial intent is more important than reader interpretation is a question that literature scholars have debated for centuries. However, I would argue that while authorial intent can be useful in examining the meaning of a work of literature, looking at it through various lenses (race theory, queer theory, feminism, etc...) can reveal themes that the author unintentionally or subconsciously included. In that sense, reader interpretation is not necessarily a "misunderstanding" when it clashes with the author's interpretation. In addition, I would argue that the author's interpretation is as subjective as any reader's interpretation. Meaning is a subjective concept and is derived from personal subjective experiences.
Also, wouldn't someone's misunderstanding be God's fault, assuming you believe in the mainstream interpretation of the Biblical God? After all, God would have been directly or indirectly responsible (depending on if you're a young earth creationist or not) for designing the initial environment and heritable genetic code of humans. Those are the main factors of how humans make decisions and interpret information. Who else could be to blame? It's like creating robots to make errors then blaming them for the errors.
@@jamiedannatt4577 I wonder how you interpret the differences in the gospels concerning Judas Iscariot's death and the order of events at Jesus's tomb.
Regardless, Christian denominations can differ quite wildly from one another. Whether differences are significant is a matter of personal opinion, but many denominations take their differences seriously and even refuse to call people outside of their denomination Christians. Entire wars have been fought between Christian denominations.
Brenda, you have created such an amazing space here, I'm in awe of the pure and loving conversation in this video and in all your videos.
so I just surprised myself by crying at literally every single one of Paul’s responses to your profoundly healing and important questions but that POEM AT THE END?!? really got us all weeping now
Me too! ❤️
Wow, I’m 20 mins in and I love love love this!
Edit: finished and I feel I have gleaned so much from this conversation! I need to relisten to this one!
Really, it's just waffle after waffle for me.
Can you please do a video on mental illness and scrupolosity? Stigma and misconceptions in the church?
I believe she’s touched on the subject in a couple videos. There’s a *trigger warning* Self-harm and demons video she did but yes I’d like to see mode on the topic.
Edit: the video is called self-harm and exorcism
This conversation has helped to wash away so many of the worries I had. Thanks to this channel and the guests who are invited for discussions my faith in God, and also my faith in others, keeps growing. It is so freeing to hear these ideas and truths.
Preaching a lukewarm gospel leading you to hell ignore her and go follow and read the real bible
@@antz2883 what makes you think shes isnt reading the bible in part because of this channel?
@@antz2883 Nice to see more Born again's! God Bless you!
God used this movie to ground me in my purpose to help set LGBTQ+ believers free to celebrate their sexuality & spirituality and show me She had my back. 😇😇🏳️🌈
SHE HAS DECIVED YOU WAKE UP how can you believe God and be a part of sin IT you should HATE SIN WE WAR AGAINST IT BUT YOU HAVE TAKEN SIDES WITH BOTH
@Çerastes yeah, we all know the christian god is a vengeful, spiteful, manchild.
I needed to hear this today. I have been struggling lately with feelings of worthlessness and intense fear. I feel more hopeful now. Thank You. ❤❤❤
I just had to listen again. Fills my soul with hope. Thank you again.
I am so grateful for this video :') 💖💙💗
"Trust the ripples"- Ah man, if it was just that I think it would have been enough but it was so much more. Ugg, I love his spirit. I love how open he is about the fact that he's not perfect and doesn't make anyone feel like they can't be themselves.
Any sources for the translation of "train up the child in their way"? I'd love to read more about that
snow-covered dung, huh? somehow we missed that when studying for our confirmation, but seriously, a lot of protestant theology is really messed up, it emphasizes being very hard on oneself
Oh good, a PragerU ad. Just what I wanted in front of this GiG video...
Welp, at least I got to eat up a modicum of their ad revenue.
If God had to stop all the evil in the world, he might just start with you and me.
hey i haven’t watched the video yet but i’m watching a movie rn and i’ve just realised you look so much like drew barrymore!! lol
Where or what church teaches these things or at least the culture of it? I want to go to one.
I think Adam & Eve might have been afraid of God when she ate from the fruit. Maybe the devil deceived her into becoming afraid of God because he made it seem as though God wanted to have power over Adam and Eve by being more intelligent and all-knowing than them, even though the truth of the matter was most likely that He wanted to slowly grow and build trust in them so that they would be able to learn the distinction between good and evil step by step, eventually allowing them to become the Lord's companions. God is love, and love is equality (I like to think of equal partnership), and my personal belief is that the Lord created everything that He did because the Holy Trinity thrives on community and humanity since they are three godheads that all come together as one - I could be wrong, and I would be more than welcome to invite new ideas into my beliefs so that they can evolve and flourish.
Therefore, I believe that Adam and Eve were an extension of the Holy Trinity's divinity, and the devil wanted to tear that trust down by deceiving Adam & Eve into fearing the Lord rather than trusting Him. (At least I think so.) I could be completely wrong, and I would gladly accept information that would bring new light to the truth behind creation, but that's what I have so far as my own understanding of it.
I absolutely loved this video and am so grateful for it. I was having anxiety right before watching this, and I needed God to comfort me with His light (i know God is genderless, but I still say "He" because that's what the Bible says lol, but God to me has more of a baby/infant energy and pure vibes moreso than anything else. Like an all-knowing, all-powerful ray of sunshine. However, there is also magnificent power in the Lord's innocence and love that allows Him/Her/They to be the defender(s) of all of those oppressed by darkness, shame, and fear 💖) LOVE IS THE ANSWER. There is a beautiful peace in God's nature that I absolutely adore, but there's also the joy and abundance of life and gratitude + generosity that flows together from God to form divine power ✨ WE ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH 💗💌💘
Not sure what this whole comment was, but ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Hey, I know this is a really old commit, but I wanted to thank you! This is such a beautiful way of describing the fall. I completely agree with you. I feel like a lot of Christians try to make it out to be like God did not intend for us to have free will, and to actually be able to grow and love him. I find it so sad, because a lot of people believe that it has only ruined earth, when I feel like it has made it so much more beautiful. The devil said that eating the fruit would make Adam and Eve be like God, and in a sense that’s so true. Are minds are free to wander, and truly existed ourselves. It’s beautiful 💕
*exspress
Life’s such a beautiful gift, and I feel like a lot of people take it all for granted
Wow, there was a lot to chew on here. Thank you for this.
Can you do a video on what is gods voice and what is not
I like the movie the shack alot.❤️🔥💖✨🙌🏽
Religion and religious people have generally made me not want to know God to the point where I've started to not even consider myself Christian or religious at all. But your conversation has made me think "I want to know the God they're talking about". Thank you.
"Forgiveness is for the sake of the victim, it's not for the sake of the perpetrator. Reconciliation, which takes a long time and a lot of certain things have to be put in place, is the rebuilding of trust. And that is for the sake of the perpetrator. But forgiveness is for the sake of the victim otherwise they will carry the corpse of that memory or event around them and it will become their prison that they will call home."
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WM Paul Young's theologian friend that wasn't doing so well was Ravi Zacharias. He passed away on May 19, between the filming and the upload of this video. God's peace to both of them.
Really? I've heard sermons by ravi on fundemenalist christian radio and it's nothing like this kind of christianity.
Considering how critical Ravi was of the emergent Christian movement, I'm surprised they knew each other. Not a surprise to hear W.M. call him a friend because he's open if you're talking to him to call himself a friend.
I don't know heaps about him but I thought the death was worth a mention. Ravi seems to work most on defending the need for Christianity and the logic behind religion. He'd be a standard Christian and not progressive but he'd work out why you should be a Christian progressive over a progressive atheist.
Again, from the little I know.
I had the amazing opportunity to meet this man when he came to my church to speak and he is very kind and I love everything he discusses. I definitely agree with a lot of his points.
I love writing am currently working on a first person due point of view about Moses and Aaron
41:09 is where it's AT explaining forgiveness vs reconciliation. It affirms my decision to peacefully cut ties with certain people who have refused to acknowledge the unsurmountable amount of damage they caused me (and others) with spiritual, emotional, and psychological abuse. And in fact they demand *repentance* from their VICTIMS, while maintaining a hard, unrepentant heart and superior religiosity.
What about when we aren’t going to get that reconciliation with those who hurt you?
Wow... This was so much more than i expected. I love all of the interviews on this channel but I literally had to pause the video, restart, and sit down and take notes because there were so many hidden gems in this talk. 🙏
This is such a beautiful and healing conversation ❤️
I miss the the true repentant Christianity, were people were on fire for God, and it was all about God. These days it's about what is wrong with the Bible and fighting with each other. I honestly just want to love God, without thinking about sexuality or how you dress.
I have to say, the bit with welcoming pedophiles back into the love and light or something made me almost nauseaus. I don't care if it makes me a bad Christian, but I have ZERO grace for pedophiles, serial killers and other similar offenders. The government could summarily execute every one of them and I would party. I know it sounds vicious, but you always talk about how we should listen to our hearts in the things, and the idea of having sympathy for people who don't show any for tbe people they've wronged - something about it just feels so deeply wrong to me. And honestly, I love your channel and I agree with you on almost anything, but people who show kindness towards the most despicable of criminals scare me more than those who scream for them to be executed.
Okay, I got too heated up when I watched it and my comment ended up being a little too angry, sorry. I stand by what I said, but I would like to add some things. If Brenda is reading this by any chance - I think it's so important that the world has people like you, who can be compassionate towards the worst people out there. I personally can't do it, but I'm sincerely glad that there are people out there that can. But I also think that you should be cautious with how you approach it, because it can come off as being an apologist. And if you ever decide to reach out to these people, I would be careful because they can be master manipulators. People sending fan mail to Chris Watts come to mind (shudder). I hope I don't come off as too patronizing and I'm sure you're aware of these things. I've just been watching enough true crime to NOT be wary of these things lol. Love you, God bless!
YOU ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH!!! 💞💘💛💌💫
amazing
It is so depressing that in 2020 having a black woman play god is contraversial. I guess people still worship Zeus in a sense
Hi Brenda, I just wanted to ask, is it possible for me to be a Christian Humanist? New subscriber here! Love your videos and your collaboration with Jaclyn Glenn!
Shack author goes on to say ( approximately 50 minutes into this interview ) " You will find the presence of GOD in every religion " ! No ! the name of GOD maybe but not the "presence " of GOD; big difference !! God does not join himself to the "darkness " so for example God is not present in the religion of witchcraft or Satanism or any other religion that does not point people to Jesus ( the only way to Heaven ) and Gods Word the Bible !
That's a bold assertion. Considering people can have a religious experience (aka finding god) in every religion. With perhaps the exclusion of satanism since it's about oneself and not a outside deity.
He goes on to explain himself better later and in other interviews. I get what he's saying. Universal truths will work for you no matter where you are spiritually. God's words (universal truths) do not return void, no matter what label one has. All beliefs or religions are not the same of course, and he acknowledges that. It's just the sectarian fighting that he's against.
Ohhhh I’m so happy you made this! When I saw the title I thought - oh no she did not go after WP Young - The Shack changed my life
26:42 Incredibly well said and so powerful.
i LOVE the shack! So glad you were able to strike up a conversation with the author
Except doesn't the mere "existence" of hell defeat the narrative of this loving god? That scene in the shack (choosing which kid to go to hell) is flawed. Because it's only used as a analogy for jesus. If someone who does love all, they wouldnt have that hell punishment to begin with.
Also: I dont know if carpetmentalizing is wrong. Knowing I'm slightly autistic, it's how I operate all the time.
My personal opinion. To me. I don't think eternal conscious torment is compatible with a loving deity....because that kind of punishment wouldn't even accomplish anything positive or productive for souls. Its entirely sadistic. However would it perhaps be unloving to not let Hitler or Mao have to face the ramifications or pain that their lives caused? Much like we want justice for victims who are wrongly shot...or who are raped...I imagine hell to be the justice on a cosmic scale....so that if someone escapes consequences of doing evil all their life, well they still have someone to answer to. God. But I hope, if God is a loving God, this hell would be a last shot at redemption, not a permanent prison, a refiners fire without flames...and for souls that resist even such last ditch efforts, well then I suppose they're annihilated. To keep them conscious and tormented would be sadistic. Annihilation after a final shot seems more just.....do you think?
@Çerastes why cant God be eternal and some souls not? I guess I'm just not seeing why not. And true...such realms probably wouldn't have night and day as we know it but events can still occur sequentially. Of course this is speculation but I don't quite see the logical footholds for your counterargument maybe you can elaborate
@Çerastes hmm..also to your first comment. It does not logically follow that every atheist wouldn't love or be glad to be with God in an afterlife. For many atheists they just aren't convinced one exists. You can hardly hate someone you're not sure exists (though I suppose some do). But to assume all atheists would hate heaven after finding out its real seems logically fallacious. Theres no basis to assume that
@@LipSyncLover yes, if you could technically get consequences appropriate to the "sin" you've committed, it would be more justifiable than eternal hell. But unfortunately, that's not the type of thing we see in the bible.
@Çerastes except enternal, torturous, existence is not only unloving, it's also unjustifiable and immoral. So no. It doesn't make sense. It cant "undermine" what jesus did for us, because a mortal life is nothing compared to infinity and also being tortured and killed and coming back 3 days is also nothing compared to eternity.
Wow, SO much good and truth in here! I keep wanting to stop and write down those stupendous one-liners from Wm Paul Young. (and I'm not even a half hour in)
Hi Brenda! I heard you say in a recent video that you were considering exploring Quaker and Episcopal churches. Have you ever explored the beliefs of the United Church of Christ (UCC) ? I love UCC’s focus on social justice and the importance of working for justice as a part of faith. I’d recommend you follow them on Instagram!
Ah I’ve never been first before!
Brenda Congratulations on your new novel! I look forward to reading it.
This is such a beautiful interview!
I love this channel and I’m an atheist. I think your perspective, viewpoint whatever on humanity and the Bible are really refreshing. BUT I wish Christians, Jews, Muslims etc. would quit trying to answer this question and just say “ I don’t know”. I don’t care whether you take a philosophical, mystical or practical reasoning. Every time you try answering you dig your self a bigger hole. One commenter mentioned natural disaster. What we need tornadoes? But you will NEVER ever be able to explain away child sexual abuse/pornography. I know here come all the “free willers” out of the woods. Funny how the free will of the adult overtakes that of the child. I thought God was unknowable yet you people keep trying to explain why he/she either doesn’t stop it or can’t.
What bothers me is that free will advocates tend to assume that free will could not be achieved in a way that minimizes people's negative impact on others. Also, we have to ask why free will is inherently beneficial for us.
2189BSR God gave us free will because He wanted REAL love from us. Without free will, we would essentially be robots or hostages even. There’s also the fact that Satan works through people too. He uses our sins or the sins of others to try to pull us away from God. They say the more hardship you face, it’s the devil trying to derail you from reaching your true destiny.
I'm gonna try to offer up an argument but I don't want you to think I don't deeply sympathize with your position. It is valid and fair. But well, is not child sexual abuse something we* have the power to stop and tackle with the free will in society? Can we create social programs? Can we create numbers children feel comfortable calling and make these readily available for them at school? What would be the point of our compassion and action if God swooped in to take away every evil act right now? How* would God do this? If God did this...wouldn't we be in heaven? Except would this heaven perhaps be premature if we hadn't put in the time on earth to work out salvation in our hearts first? I don't think we're default evil but sometimes it really takes a lifetime to work out the kinks and bitterness a human heart can accumulate...and those things dont sound compatible with this..."soul utopia" heaven is supposed to be. I'm sorry if I provided cliches but wanted to take a stab at it
@@rissroo4325 That's a good reason why God might want us to have free will, but it's inherently selfish. God could never claim, in such a case, that free will was for our benefit. It's for his because he wanted to feel loved. I think this, if true, would poke holes in the idea that God is omnibenevolent. Besides, it still doesn't account for ways that free will might have been achieved while minimizing the impact of an individual's harmful actions on others.
Also, how do you know that you have free will, rather than the illusion of it? Perhaps you are simply a biological machine.
@Çerastes if you don't see a difference between consensual acts done by adults and paid to do work. and acts that do actual, demonstrable harm, to another human being, them your moral compass is in question.
'The Shack' is like 'Twilight' for middle-aged sadomasochists.
Corporal punishment sucks how could religion allow it on CHILDREN when hitting dogs and wives is so deplorable but oh it’s ok to hit children it’s just training I think not!!!!!!
I bet you anything if “long suffering” was worded as “patience”, it would have been labeled feminine as well lmaooo
Paul, very generous in reading my poem. Much love to all. The three poems can be found here www.davidtensen.com/who-took-your-voice-three-poems/. A great interview Brenda Marie ❤️🙏🏻
that story about the stuntman, it was big news in Germany. that TV show (Wetten Dass ... ?) was quite famous, and had a famous host. infact, like half the nation watched it every Saturday. The host ended his career with that show after the incident. They searched for a new host, but hardly anyone wanted to do it. When they finally found someone willing to do it, it was a failure.
Isaiah 45:6-7: 6 so that all may know, from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting, that there is none but Me; I am the LORD, and there is no other. 7 I form light and create evil; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things. God does not allow evil, God creates evil, all evil comes from God alone. Conservative Christians do not want to acknowledge the cold hard truth about God creating all evil.
ISAIAH 45 NIV
I am the Lord, and there is no other.
7 I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.
So what's really being said, like all of God's blessings and curses is that he gives the blessing of light, and can take it away causing darkness.
Such a privilege having Paul Young on your channel
There is no god that’s why😁😁😁
Gods Word the Bible is so concise and to the point ! Why is it we as humans want to try to analyze and scrutinize different topics rather than open up Gods Word and actually see what God says etc !!! Then we would find that the Devil is as real as God and God describes him as a roaring lion roaming about seeking whom he may devour and God has him on a short leash for now until the end of days when he will be cast into hell ( see last book of the Bible ; Revelation for more details ) with all his followers or those who spit on Gods free gift of Salvation ( Romans 10; 9 and 10 ; the Bible ; Gods Word ) !!
What a powerful episode!
I would push back against his claim that the "not good" about Adam being alone was an example of humanity starting to fall away from god. Instead, Adam was incomplete without the other half of humanity. Without women, humanity was incomplete.
In addition since he was talking about love after that, I would point out that an existence without romantic love, without physical intimacy, without sexuality, is still lacking. There is no way that any mere spirituality could replace those crucial aspects.
My former Pastor Brad Cummings had something to do with the making of The Shack. Not certain what his exact role was, I’ve lost touch with him over the years.
Really love The Shack but my grandma really doesn’t like it cause you depict God as a woman but personally I don’t mind it
I’ve seen many interesting and eye-opening interviews and conversations... but wow... THIS ONE just snapped my brain out of my head! Whatever was left inside me that had me questioning WHY was I born as creature of “sinful nature”, it’s now gone. Thank you Paul, for your wise words! And thank you Brenda, for being a part of my journey of de-programming my brain of all of these dangerous teachings I grew up with. 💕
Another excellent interview Brenda! WP Young is brilliant and The Shack brought a lot of healing to my heart.
Is his dad Otto Koning- the pineapple story? I used to listen to Otto, he was also a missionary in the same country, he and his wife ran a clinic there while trying to minister to others. Otto was over there for years, his stories I used to listen on cassettes. He and the natives were fighting over the pineapple was my favorite.
Can you make a video where you explain your reasons for believing in God and arguments in favor of his existence from your perspective?
This chat with Paul and the one with Madison are my favourites of yours. THANK YOU. This is stunning.
This was the BEST conversation EVER!! It made me tear like 3 times. And I don't easily cry.
I loved the Shack so much. That movie is so good, definitely one of my favourites ❤️
Thank you Brenda ❤️
This was such a beautiful conversation. Thank you so much, both of you. Much love and take care.
Truly, I thank you so much for this. God bless you. Keep them coming 😊
What an amazing conversation. Thank you so much for this one. I needed this after the last one.
The opposite of love isn’t hate.
The opposite of love is apathy.
I don’t need to forgive. My goal is apathy against those who have hurt me.
What do you think forgiveness does if not letting go of your love and hate to get apathy?
@@j.kaimori3848 I just think that being angry about something someone's done can give you power, especially in abusive situations where emotions were being controlled. Forgiveness isn't always the best response for someone, and anger can move us to action
Why this sounds like something Shallon Lester would say?
I have so much thanks for this conversation, thank you both.
Such a wonderful interview!
We are on our own🤟🏾🤟🏾🤟🏾
BRENDA PLEASE INTERVIEW TED DEKKER!
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Why do people think its balsphmy
It's a defense because his story triggers a lot of anxiety inside of them. They don't trust God, they trust rules and punishment. And realising they have spend their entire life obeying hate, violence, prejudice and everything anti- Jesus, is too much of a shock for them to handle. And in that perspective is mush easier to just yell: HERESY !! It's right down their hate-agenda, it's what they are used to. The same kind of people that crucified Jesus.
But they don't know what they are doing, so we will have to forgive them.
This man truly knows God. I could listen to him all day.