Pray three things: The protection of the Latin mass The casting out of demons out of the church ( People are being used as pawns by them or are possessed ) Peace for the middle east.
Have to go to the SSPX Resistance or more Bishops (Williamson's group) or partial Sedevacantist Bishop Sanborn. Then you get missionary priests sent to your town, if you can afford airfare, lodging & provide a venue! It is down to that for some. Sometimes people have a spare room or space in living room for a home Mass, lunch & lodging in a home. It is a lot of work. Or, get a generation X priest or younger in your parish who will bring in a lot of Tradition!
My prediction is the Vatican won’t do anything obviously dramatic, but will start slowly boiling the frog. Really insisting on every Fraternity priest concelebrating the Novus Ordo once a year would be a possibility. Seems modest and reasonable to someone who doesn’t know or understand the real issues. I pray the FSSP can outlast this (putative, but increasingly doubtful) papacy and find some security under a genuine shepherd in the future.
@@elisehougesen6871 my understanding is that in practice many priests do not in fact concelebrate the Novus Ordo, so insisting on this for each individual priest would be a way the Vatican could incrementally increase pressure on the FSSP. but you are right that this was part of the deal
I think one shouldn't fear. Stand one's ground and let the consequences fall as they will. What is the worst case scenario, honestly? They kick the FSSP out? So what? IMO God and the people will still back the FSSP.
The FSSP being kicked out would be a catastrophe. The church destroying her own tradition and heritage would be a scandal. I pray this will never happen! We are fighting against the principalities of evil, so right now we are being tested and need to walk in Christ - without false like the dove...
@@davidhirt9129the sspx is guarding the tradition, if the fssp is closed they will move to the sspx and lines will be clear. My understanding is that catolics do not want to recognize the truth that is before their eyes, actions speak louder than words and it is clear that Vatican 2 council enthroned a diferent religion over the catolic faith
David, my assessment is that the Church is already destroying itself. I am not sure if it can withstand the heterodoxy of so many opinions. A good leader will listen to everyone's views, yes, but clearly can and shut down heretical views. I don't see this happening at all. Rather the challenging of the orthodox position in becoming the norm.
I pray the fssp will survive. Some of us can't drive 3.5 hours one way to the nearest SSPX (in my case the immaculata in Kansas). FSSP is all that many of us have. Mine is right in town, my dad drops me off and this other couple usually takes me home. DR Peter K has his home at my fssp and is in the high mass schola here most Sundays.
If the FSSP were to be cancelled, the SSPX would grow - both laity & priests. The charitable donations of the laity that currently go to FSSP & Rome would then go to SSPX who would then be able, with more priests and resources, to increase their ministry. Rome divided the SSPX in the creation of the FSSP in the first place, with full intentions being to weaken the SSPX & eventually cancel the FSSP.
I attend a FSSP parish in Canada and have been waiting for this to happen. No one is saying anything let alone their priests. If major changes are implemented via the Vatican I will attend the SSPX parish which is further away.
@@1951kvk My sense is that FSSP Priests will hold the line. They know the score and will not bow down to these demonic forces. Pray for them every day.
Taylor Marshall, Peter Kwasniewski, "Limits of Papal Authority on the Liturgy" Fr. Ripperger, & Ryan Grant are FSSP-affiliated. I'd say most parishioners would go SSPX if they had to.
As a whole I doubt they will. Their response to Traditionis Custodes was so weak it made me cringe. I naively though they had learned from their mistakes and would go all-in for the Mass, but I was so wrong. What I think will happen is they'll get slammed by Rome, they'll beg to live and eventually give in. Now some good priests will certainly leave, but as an institution, the FSSP lack the courage necessary to be catholic in this crisis.
I hope not because they are all we have here. There are good priests in the Fssp, just as in the Sspx. It wouldn't surprise me that they try to split them. It happened twice in the Sspx, and they didn't need Rome to do it, so human nature inevitably messes things up anyway. It's always just a matter of time. May Bishop de Mallerais rest in peace.
@@stevecalovich3682 The Eastern Rites and Orders are very well connected to the Vatican. They know that the Pope is the head of the Church. Otherwise they wouldn't be Catholic. The sspx is not in full communion with the Church. They are allowed to have confessions and marriage with the approval of the Diocesan Bishop in which the sspx resides in, that's 2 of the 7 Sacraments. The other 5 Sacraments are illicit. The Eastern Rites have all 7 Sacraments.
They can cut all this short by advising that an unfavorable report will result in the FSSP joining hands with the SSPX. The need to admit that in 1988 Fr Bisig et al made a grave mistake and make it right.
&CFN_Official I sure hope nothing goes wrong, I live 4 miles from Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary in Denton Nebraska. I was practicing for my higher school bowling season one time and I saw a group of 5 seminarians from there.
Hasn't Francis & Co. made it clear enough that their role for the Ecclesia Dei communities is to bring the laity back to the Nervous disOrdo? What progress have the FSSP and ICKSP made in this regard? They don't want to hear about vocations or conversions.
Not long ago, Cardinal Roche announced that the Tridentine form of the Mass represented an out of date Theology and that the Church now had a new Theology which replaced it and which rendered the Tridentine form of the Mass finally redundant. Now, I do not wish to be unkind to Cardinal Roche - he may, very well, be a much better Christian than I am and a kinder and more loving person. I certainly make no judgment on the question of how pleasing he might be to Almighty God. However, unfortunately, he is a Theological light weight. What he says does not make any sense. Paragraph 4 of the Introduction to Sacrosanctum Concilium (issued after the Council) makes it clear that all existing forms of the Liturgy are to be reverenced, respect and preserved. No Cardinal, nor, in fact, even a Pope, can override a formal dogmatic definition of an Ecumenical Council of the Church. Then, in simple logic, what he says makes no sense. If the Theology of the Council of Trent is now out of date, then it must follow that, for five hundred years since the Council of Trent, the Church has imposed a defective form of Liturgy on the Faithful and has only now decided to act to correct this error. However, by setting out this approach as justification for the suppression of the Tridentine form of the Liturgy, Cardinal Roche leaves open the question “if the Church got it so wrong for as long as five hundred years, how can we be sure that it has now got it right?” Pope Benedict XVI understood the importance of preserving the Tridentine form of the Liturgy - not only because it was a requirement of the Council, but in order to preserve the historic continuity of the Liturgy. By permitting the Tridentine form to continue alongside the new form of the Liturgy, he wanted to make it clear that it was one and the same Liturgy - both were fully valid and approved by the Church. It is true that, for most of the Faithful, who have no knowledge of the Latin language, the vernacular form of the Liturgy is more fruitful for them, however, just the same, it is still the same Liturgy - it is not a question of a newer Theology having replaced an out of date Theology, as Cardinal Roche tries to assert. What is worrying, of course, is that the only reason why the Pope would appoint as Prefect of the Liturgy Office someone with very little intellectual ability or grasp of Theology is to ensure that he would be able to do what he pleased when it comes to the Liturgy without any interference from the Cardinal he chose to appoint. Cardinal Roche will be well aware that he owes his position to the Pope’s patronage and that he holds it only for so long as he says what the Pope tells him to say and does what the Pope tells him to do.
@@Mark3ABE 1. Benedict XVI did not "free" the Tridentine Mass, which he admits was never suppressed. He restricted its use, which is a debatable thing to do, because of the term "whomsoever" not changing one word of it in Quo Primum. 2. NO Mass & TLM Mass are hardly the same Mass. NO is People of God (note the capitalization, as if divinely equal to God! )/Narration oriented & TLM is God/Sacrifice oriented. 3. Read CCC § 836-845 on how there is Salvation outside of Catholicsm through other religions themselves, contradicting Baltimore Catechism #3 1949 AD saying no Salvation outside Catholicism, which CCC in con- tradiction, repeats following CCC-§845! 4.These contradictions reflect Benedict XVI's novel theory of "the Union of Opposites" which contradicts St. Thomas Aquinas' opposites negate each other. Hot mixed with cold destroy each other. You get warm. NO & TLM mixed destroy each other & you get banality. But this is what BXVI was after in BXVI's theory of NO & TLM "enriching each other"! For the sake of the theory that blended religions will bring Peace on Earth. Everyone can have their regional customs of Islam, Hinduism, Protestant, Catholic--as long as all have the same One Spirit God within themselves! Read Pascendi of Pius X, to understand modernism allowing historicism & subjecticism to continually "evolve" Catholicism into an ever changing into opposites philosophy! This is what is at stake behind the Liturgy Wars!
I don't want to misrepresent Cardinal Roche but I wonder if the church is going through what I went through myself. I wonder when some people in the hierarchy look at the Faith and think to themselves, it's all arbitrary, the pre conciliar Church has it all wrong, many first Christians had so many different Christologies, we got the wrong one. Maybe the Ebionites are right. Maybe our crescent moon brothers are right. Look at secular Bible scholarship. This is what Paschendi warns us of. Here's a comforting thought. It was the feast day of St. Jerome recently. As much as the clever Bible scholars today are, I doubt St. Jerome was a fool. Sure I'll never know for sure, I've never met the man. But I went to Mass today and said hello to Our Lord and Our Lady, and that's good enough for me to know the truth.
St. Paul says that woman must remain silent in matters of the Church. This Nun wil only atempt to feminize the Church. This is a big turn off. The FSSP should have a holy Bishop to consecrate Bishops from among their own. To completely break from the Apostate anti-Pope, it would in no way be an act of schism. To separate from an anti-Pope is an act of obedience to God.
@@littlerock5256 It's hard to be correct about everything. I have several friends who are SSPX Mass attendees, and they don't think he's the pope. Scratch a Trad. and find a closet sede-vac. I find all of this to be a very tough call, and I throw no stones.
What would Sspx do if they're next? If your P Bergolio would say to Sspx, "if you don't stop criticizing Rome and me as your recognized Pope, you are out, you are schismatics? You should believe me in everything because that's how the Catholics were? Or else don't call me your Pope.
But importantly: Jesus stayed in the Church that killed him. St Francis remained in the Church fallen into ruins. We must remain in Christ's Church no matter it's condition, we are called to rebuild from within, and not head off creating a church in our own image, allowing pride to convince us that we hold the truth.
Not true, Jesus DIDN'T stay in Church that killed Him-those who killed Him and rejected Him were punished , those who acknowledged Him or repented were saved.
7:00 FSSP "Great Job" ??? Internet search "James Jackson FSSP" in federal prison for child porn. As rector of the FSSP seminary in Nebraska, Jackson was probably the number 2 FSSP priest in the USA???
@@elisehougesen6871Sounds like you want to judge what the men of the church have to do. Do not forget your role as a layman is to obey authority. This is what sedevacantism leads to: Protestant mentality
@@karlheven8328 Look up Probabilism. Also, blind obedience to Authority is a heresy. Look up hyperpapalism. Then re-read St. Paul rebuking St. Peter. I do not act as Pope or Magisterium. I simply point out what already exists. This is lawful for me to do. Ideally, clergy should be debating & the Pope should monitor these discussions. One Pope had to command the Dominicans & Jesuits, I think in the 1700's, to stop calling each other heretics! However, with a Pope strong on human relations & weak in administration (Pope Francis' own description of himself) & with efficient media & more education, we laity are thrust into the present cauldron of doctrinal & liturgical confusion ; we must study & decide what best to do for ourselves what to do to Keep the Faith! As long as our decisions stay within a reasonable Catholicism, & Pope Francis has said along with every other Conciliar Pope, that SSPX is in an irregular position within the Catholic Church. It is an internal Catholic dispute. SSPX is within the Church. I actually have permission from my Diocese Tribunal to fulfill my Sunday obligation at an SSPX Chapel. Someone else did not. It depends upon several factors. But a lot of people are so disgusted that they just go to any TLM they can find & pray that God intervenes! "Be very careful of who you criticize, because you do not know who will persevere until the end." (Said Bishop Williamson suspended by Pope & SSPX, himself criticizing SSPX priests he suspended & semi Sedevacantist Bishop Sanborn criticizing quite logically just about everybody & Pope Francis criticizing anyone who opposes him while all of them actually saying quite wise & true things; yet no one strong enough to sort it all out!!!) Good luck with the pot calling the kettle black!
Have you guys nothing better to do with your time. No matter what you guys say, nothing will change. Get on your knees and pray for the Fraternity, although good Catholics will automatically do so anyway. Why not play this podcast for your own listening and you might begin to see how ridiculous you sound - apart from your condescending tone and patronising stance. My prayer is that they can come through this visitation without conceding anything of value while still maintaining full Communion. God bless to all
Yeah! It’s not like Francis has been forbidding parish priests from performing TLMs and then canceling them if they do. Why are they always complaining?
You can always count on bergoglio and the heretics, perverts and traitors it surrounds itself with to make things worse. Why is this evil hireling so obsessed with the TLM ?.
With VERY GOOD reason, based on the bullying and victimization from the Vatican since the 1970s! P.S. the heretical, modernist clergy are of course left alone.
Agree, plus the independent underground Church using cancelled priests. What else can God expect us to do without a Pope or with a heretical one? Carry on with a flawed NO Mass?!
What do you think will happen with the FSSP?
The chopping block
I have no clue.
@@marieny4748I hope not.
Pray the rosary or chaplets and protect the Mass at all cost.
Pray three things:
The protection of the Latin mass
The casting out of demons out of the church ( People are being used as pawns by them or are possessed )
Peace for the middle east.
My Protestant son in law was converted to Catholicism by or through the FSSP. ✝
Good on him, but he should follow the real thing 😆 the SSPX.🤓😀🤓
@@paulfaigl8329At the parish level the FSSP and SSPX are (nearly) the same. Attend the Latin Mass.
@@marccrotty8447No. FSSP is not nearly FSSPX. It made agreement with Rome.
@@felipedetrento Read carefully what I wrote. Describing parish life, not ties to Rome.
@@paulfaigl8329 Maybe he only has FSSP? That's what I have.
I am trusting God has everything in hand.
The SSPX needs to ordained more Bishops, fast.
scary considering Tissier's accident
Have to go to the SSPX Resistance or more Bishops (Williamson's group) or partial Sedevacantist Bishop Sanborn. Then you get missionary priests sent to your town, if you can afford airfare, lodging & provide a venue! It is down to that for some. Sometimes people have a spare room or space in living room for a home Mass, lunch & lodging in a home. It is a lot of work. Or, get a generation X priest or younger in your parish who will bring in a lot of Tradition!
@@JacobMaximilianjust keep praying 🙏❤️🙏
@@elisehougesen6871Fringe groups are cringe.
@@karlheven8328
SSPX is not a fringe group.
This is why I support the SSPX
My prediction is the Vatican won’t do anything obviously dramatic, but will start slowly boiling the frog. Really insisting on every Fraternity priest concelebrating the Novus Ordo once a year would be a possibility. Seems modest and reasonable to someone who doesn’t know or understand the real issues.
I pray the FSSP can outlast this (putative, but increasingly doubtful) papacy and find some security under a genuine shepherd in the future.
FSSP already celebrates NO Mass once a year & are ordained by Diocesan Bishop's!
True. They allow themselves to be deceived by sugary promises. Now the cage is closing...
That was the original deal they made, when they left the SSPX.
@@elisehougesen6871 my understanding is that in practice many priests do not in fact concelebrate the Novus Ordo, so insisting on this for each individual priest would be a way the Vatican could incrementally increase pressure on the FSSP.
but you are right that this was part of the deal
I think one shouldn't fear.
Stand one's ground and let the consequences fall as they will.
What is the worst case scenario, honestly?
They kick the FSSP out? So what? IMO God and the people will still back the FSSP.
The FSSP being kicked out would be a catastrophe. The church destroying her own tradition and heritage would be a scandal. I pray this will never happen! We are fighting against the principalities of evil, so right now we are being tested and need to walk in Christ - without false like the dove...
@@davidhirt9129the sspx is guarding the tradition, if the fssp is closed they will move to the sspx and lines will be clear.
My understanding is that catolics do not want to recognize the truth that is before their eyes, actions speak louder than words and it is clear that Vatican 2 council enthroned a diferent religion over the catolic faith
David, my assessment is that the Church is already destroying itself.
I am not sure if it can withstand the heterodoxy of so many opinions.
A good leader will listen to everyone's views, yes, but clearly can and shut down heretical views.
I don't see this happening at all.
Rather the challenging of the orthodox position in becoming the norm.
Those who would act in such a manner should instead by kicked out of the Church.
Just give them more funding and another Seminary; that's the best way to help.
Requiem in aeternam Most Reverend Bernard Tissier de Mallerais.
I pray the fssp will survive. Some of us can't drive 3.5 hours one way to the nearest SSPX (in my case the immaculata in Kansas). FSSP is all that many of us have. Mine is right in town, my dad drops me off and this other couple usually takes me home. DR Peter K has his home at my fssp and is in the high mass schola here most Sundays.
You will have to do as the Japanese. They kept the faith for 200 years without priests.
If the FSSP were to be cancelled, the SSPX would grow - both laity & priests. The charitable donations of the laity that currently go to FSSP & Rome would then go to SSPX who would then be able, with more priests and resources, to increase their ministry.
Rome divided the SSPX in the creation of the FSSP in the first place, with full intentions being to weaken the SSPX & eventually cancel the FSSP.
@@legiomariae4961why hasn't the sspx built any churches in Nebraska?
@@elizabethv_royalsfanNot sure. I hope they do though in case it gets banned.
Truth always is vindicated through Triumph
However
Resurrection comes only after
Crucifixion, Death and Entombment+
I attend a FSSP parish in Canada and have been waiting for this to happen. No one is saying anything let alone their priests. If major changes are implemented via the Vatican I will attend the SSPX parish which is further away.
@@1951kvk My sense is that FSSP Priests will hold the line. They know the score and will not bow down to these demonic forces. Pray for them every day.
Hopefully the people in the FSSP will wake up.
They have believed in a good faith to a devil 👿. Lack of discernment 😮. But never is to late. Get out of the clutches of the crooks in Vatican 😮😂😮
Taylor Marshall, Peter Kwasniewski, "Limits of Papal Authority on the Liturgy" Fr. Ripperger, & Ryan Grant are FSSP-affiliated. I'd say most parishioners would go SSPX if they had to.
As a whole I doubt they will. Their response to Traditionis Custodes was so weak it made me cringe. I naively though they had learned from their mistakes and would go all-in for the Mass, but I was so wrong. What I think will happen is they'll get slammed by Rome, they'll beg to live and eventually give in. Now some good priests will certainly leave, but as an institution, the FSSP lack the courage necessary to be catholic in this crisis.
@@skilo581 Wait and see. I bet FSSP will hold the line.
I hope not because they are all we have here. There are good priests in the Fssp, just as in the Sspx. It wouldn't surprise me that they try to split them. It happened twice in the Sspx, and they didn't need Rome to do it, so human nature inevitably messes things up anyway. It's always just a matter of time. May Bishop de Mallerais rest in peace.
FSSP: The little pig in the wood house. Stronger than the straw house, yes, but...
facts
I will not attend the Bogus Ordo.
The FSSP will be just fine
It is not only the mass. This is what happens when you compromise. When you want to be with the error and a little of thruth.
Demolition in progress...
"Satan rules a false church from Rome after 1960." -3rd Secret
"The gates of hell will not prevail. " Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
@@anthonymckinney9904 I never said they prevailed. You still have the Eastern Rites and Orders like the SSPX that are not connected to the Vatican.
@@stevecalovich3682 The Eastern Rites and Orders are very well connected to the Vatican. They know that the Pope is the head of the Church. Otherwise they wouldn't be Catholic. The sspx is not in full communion with the Church. They are allowed to have confessions and marriage with the approval of the Diocesan Bishop in which the sspx resides in, that's 2 of the 7 Sacraments. The other 5 Sacraments are illicit. The Eastern Rites have all 7 Sacraments.
@@stevecalovich3682 The Eastern Rites are connected to the Vatican.
What source do you have for that? There's a lot of speculation & confusion regarding what it actually was. Thank you.
One thing is sure, they will not have a bishop ever.
FSSP priests originally came out of the SSPX
Looks like they will be rejoining
In my culture, we have a folk saying, ‘’May your words be said by an Angel” (Let it be so)
They can cut all this short by advising that an unfavorable report will result in the FSSP joining hands with the SSPX. The need to admit that in 1988 Fr Bisig et al made a grave mistake and make it right.
Sspx parishioners will never go back to NO mass….We can’t .. We know the truth ✝️
Francis wants to do as much damage as he can before he dies.
I doubt it will be good. As a poster said on a different forum, cue the "Darth Vader" music,
They're still waiting on their promised traditional Rite Bishop 35 yrs later. This isn't a good sign for y'all.
This unsolicited help will eventual cancel the FSSP but God forbid. The only means to avoid this onslaught is to integrate with the SSPX-MC.
Better still; convert to Orthodoxy ☦☦☦
What is mc?
I ❤ the SSPX so much. I always sing the Salve Regina and pray for an SSPX Pope in my Lifetime.
Delusional
They have found out you can not serve two masters ( wake up people) the only ark of the Church is the SSPX!!!!!!!!
In the USA we have a saying that we all hate “. I’m from the government and I’m here to help “
So happy I was received into the Orthodox Church this year ☦☦☦☦☦☦☦
Another TLM to Orthodox here - it's been a wonderful journey. Highly recommend!
&CFN_Official I sure hope nothing goes wrong, I live 4 miles from Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary in Denton Nebraska.
I was practicing for my higher school bowling season one time and I saw a group of 5 seminarians from there.
And so it begins....the vice grip
Heresy
Might have to explore Western Rite Orthodoxy.
Probably will be dismantled. I hope I’m wrong. I guess we will just have sspx and the good sedevacantist to go to if it does happen
If sedevacantism is right, then Jesus Christ was wrong or did not protect the Church. Then there is no point being catholic
Sedevacantism is literally schism and heresy. Not an option.
Better still; convert to Orthodoxy ☦☦☦
@@marcokite Catholicism is orthodox. Orthodoxy is ... not catholic.
@@marcokitecringe. Contraceptive "Orthodoxy" is not the solution to anything.
Hasn't Francis & Co. made it clear enough that their role for the Ecclesia Dei communities is to bring the laity back to the Nervous disOrdo? What progress have the FSSP and ICKSP made in this regard? They don't want to hear about vocations or conversions.
Not long ago, Cardinal Roche announced that the Tridentine form of the Mass represented an out of date Theology and that the Church now had a new Theology which replaced it and which rendered the Tridentine form of the Mass finally redundant. Now, I do not wish to be unkind to Cardinal Roche - he may, very well, be a much better Christian than I am and a kinder and more loving person. I certainly make no judgment on the question of how pleasing he might be to Almighty God. However, unfortunately, he is a Theological light weight. What he says does not make any sense. Paragraph 4 of the Introduction to Sacrosanctum Concilium (issued after the Council) makes it clear that all existing forms of the Liturgy are to be reverenced, respect and preserved. No Cardinal, nor, in fact, even a Pope, can override a formal dogmatic definition of an Ecumenical Council of the Church. Then, in simple logic, what he says makes no sense. If the Theology of the Council of Trent is now out of date, then it must follow that, for five hundred years since the Council of Trent, the Church has imposed a defective form of Liturgy on the Faithful and has only now decided to act to correct this error. However, by setting out this approach as justification for the suppression of the Tridentine form of the Liturgy, Cardinal Roche leaves open the question “if the Church got it so wrong for as long as five hundred years, how can we be sure that it has now got it right?” Pope Benedict XVI understood the importance of preserving the Tridentine form of the Liturgy - not only because it was a requirement of the Council, but in order to preserve the historic continuity of the Liturgy. By permitting the Tridentine form to continue alongside the new form of the Liturgy, he wanted to make it clear that it was one and the same Liturgy - both were fully valid and approved by the Church. It is true that, for most of the Faithful, who have no knowledge of the Latin language, the vernacular form of the Liturgy is more fruitful for them, however, just the same, it is still the same Liturgy - it is not a question of a newer Theology having replaced an out of date Theology, as Cardinal Roche tries to assert. What is worrying, of course, is that the only reason why the Pope would appoint as Prefect of the Liturgy Office someone with very little intellectual ability or grasp of Theology is to ensure that he would be able to do what he pleased when it comes to the Liturgy without any interference from the Cardinal he chose to appoint. Cardinal Roche will be well aware that he owes his position to the Pope’s patronage and that he holds it only for so long as he says what the Pope tells him to say and does what the Pope tells him to do.
@@Mark3ABE 1. Benedict XVI did not "free" the Tridentine Mass, which he admits was never suppressed. He restricted its use, which is a debatable thing to do, because of the term "whomsoever" not changing one word of it in Quo Primum. 2. NO Mass & TLM Mass are hardly the same Mass. NO is People of God (note the capitalization, as if divinely equal to God! )/Narration oriented & TLM is God/Sacrifice oriented. 3. Read CCC § 836-845 on how there is Salvation outside of Catholicsm through other religions themselves, contradicting Baltimore Catechism #3 1949 AD saying no Salvation outside Catholicism, which CCC in con- tradiction, repeats following CCC-§845! 4.These contradictions reflect Benedict XVI's novel theory of "the Union of Opposites" which contradicts St. Thomas Aquinas' opposites negate each other. Hot mixed with cold destroy each other. You get warm. NO & TLM mixed destroy each other & you get banality. But this is what BXVI was after in BXVI's theory of NO & TLM "enriching each other"! For the sake of the theory that blended religions will bring Peace on Earth. Everyone can have their regional customs of Islam, Hinduism, Protestant, Catholic--as long as all have the same One Spirit God within themselves! Read Pascendi of Pius X, to understand modernism allowing historicism & subjecticism to continually "evolve" Catholicism into an ever changing into opposites philosophy! This is what is at stake behind the Liturgy Wars!
I don't want to misrepresent Cardinal Roche but I wonder if the church is going through what I went through myself.
I wonder when some people in the hierarchy look at the Faith and think to themselves, it's all arbitrary, the pre conciliar Church has it all wrong, many first Christians had so many different Christologies, we got the wrong one. Maybe the Ebionites are right. Maybe our crescent moon brothers are right.
Look at secular Bible scholarship.
This is what Paschendi warns us of.
Here's a comforting thought.
It was the feast day of St. Jerome recently. As much as the clever Bible scholars today are, I doubt St. Jerome was a fool. Sure I'll never know for sure, I've never met the man.
But I went to Mass today and said hello to Our Lord and Our Lady, and that's good enough for me to know the truth.
Do you think they might do a visitation of the Jesuits?
fat chance
St. Paul says that woman must remain silent in matters of the Church. This Nun wil only atempt to feminize the Church. This is a big turn off. The FSSP should have a holy Bishop to consecrate Bishops from among their own. To completely break from the Apostate anti-Pope, it would in no way be an act of schism. To separate from an anti-Pope is an act of obedience to God.
Yes. It has been done before
@@pardone8932 With the Blessing of God. Viva Cristo Rey !!!
The answer is FSSPX 🤷🏻♂️
How I wish that we had a Catholic pope...
If Francis isn't Catholic then he isn't the pope.
@@littlerock5256 Right. He's not, and he's not.
@@patrickobrien8060 The SSPX says that Francis is the pope.
@@littlerock5256 It's hard to be correct about everything. I have several friends who are SSPX Mass attendees, and they don't think he's the pope. Scratch a Trad. and find a closet sede-vac. I find all of this to be a very tough call, and I throw no stones.
What happened to the Knights priests? Did they just loose their vocations?
Like they care about St. Peter's work in the Church.
😢
Gotta clear out the heretics
Prayer and sacrifice are the most effective weapons against the demonic Roman powers.
What would Sspx do if they're next? If your P Bergolio would say to Sspx, "if you don't stop criticizing Rome and me as your recognized Pope, you are out, you are schismatics? You should believe me in everything because that's how the Catholics were? Or else don't call me your Pope.
FSSP answers directly to the Pope
SSPX: "Been there. Done that. Still offering the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass."
When is the visitation to the heretical church in German?
The German church is the pattern they wish all churches to emulate.
Heretical?
But importantly: Jesus stayed in the Church that killed him. St Francis remained in the Church fallen into ruins.
We must remain in Christ's Church no matter it's condition, we are called to rebuild from within, and not head off creating a church in our own image, allowing pride to convince us that we hold the truth.
Not true, Jesus DIDN'T stay in Church that killed Him-those who killed Him and rejected Him were punished , those who acknowledged Him or repented were saved.
Saint Francis was abondoned at the end of His life even by his friars from the same abbey he founded.
7:00 FSSP "Great Job" ??? Internet search "James Jackson FSSP" in federal prison for child porn. As rector of the FSSP seminary in Nebraska, Jackson was probably the number 2 FSSP priest in the USA???
I can't hear nothing
LOVE the double negative!
I think they knock out FSSP then SSPX
SSPX still owns its own property & has it's own Bishop's. But they had better ordain more Bishops & resist Rome better.
They can’t touch the SSPX, due to Archbishop Lefebvre’s Canonical authority. ⚜️
@@elisehougesen6871Sounds like you want to judge what the men of the church have to do. Do not forget your role as a layman is to obey authority. This is what sedevacantism leads to: Protestant mentality
@@karlheven8328 Look up
Probabilism. Also, blind obedience to Authority is a heresy. Look up hyperpapalism. Then re-read St. Paul rebuking St. Peter. I do not act as Pope or Magisterium. I simply point out what already exists. This is lawful for me to do. Ideally, clergy should be debating & the Pope should monitor these discussions. One Pope had to command the Dominicans & Jesuits, I think in the 1700's, to stop calling each other heretics! However, with a Pope strong on human relations & weak in administration (Pope Francis' own description of himself) & with efficient media & more education, we laity are thrust into the present cauldron of doctrinal & liturgical confusion ; we must study & decide what best to do for ourselves what to do to Keep the Faith! As long as our decisions stay within a reasonable Catholicism, & Pope Francis has said along with every other Conciliar Pope, that SSPX is in an irregular position within the Catholic Church. It is an internal Catholic dispute. SSPX is within the Church. I actually have permission from my Diocese Tribunal to fulfill my Sunday obligation at an SSPX Chapel. Someone else did not. It depends upon several factors. But a lot of people are so disgusted that they just go to any TLM they can find & pray that God intervenes! "Be very careful of who you criticize, because you do not know who will persevere until the end." (Said Bishop Williamson suspended by Pope & SSPX, himself criticizing SSPX priests he suspended & semi Sedevacantist Bishop Sanborn criticizing quite logically just about everybody & Pope Francis criticizing anyone who opposes him while all of them actually saying quite wise & true things; yet no one strong enough to sort it all out!!!) Good luck with the pot calling the kettle black!
@@karlheven8328 See hyperpapalism, a heresy.
Don't bring Regan into this
The government and the Church are not the same.
Have you guys nothing better to do with your time. No matter what you guys say, nothing will change.
Get on your knees and pray for the Fraternity, although good Catholics will automatically do so anyway.
Why not play this podcast for your own listening and you might begin to see how ridiculous you sound - apart from your condescending tone and patronising stance.
My prayer is that they can come through this visitation without conceding anything of value while still maintaining full Communion.
God bless to all
FSSP is going to get globbered
You can always count on trads for pessimism and a desire for victimhood.
Yeah! It’s not like Francis has been forbidding parish priests from performing TLMs and then canceling them if they do. Why are they always complaining?
@@ElenaAshe agreed but some of us trads love playing victim and at times wanting bad things to happen to us just show that we are.
You can always count on bergoglio and the heretics, perverts and traitors it surrounds itself with to make things worse. Why is this evil hireling so obsessed with the TLM ?.
With VERY GOOD reason, based on the bullying and victimization from the Vatican since the 1970s! P.S. the heretical, modernist clergy are of course left alone.
Probably will be dismantled. I hope I’m wrong. I guess we will just have sspx and the good sedevacantist to go to if it does happen
Agree, plus the independent underground Church using cancelled priests. What else can God expect us to do without a Pope or with a heretical one? Carry on with a flawed NO Mass?!
Abandoning Rome to become sede is schism and heresy. You are better off becoming Orthodox than being sede.