I know there are many good and holy FSSP priests. However, the Fraternity itself is founded on a problematic action--the abandonment of Abp. Lefebvre in his hour of need, and the continuation of Tradition.
@@orangemanbad Who is "we"? I hate Modernism, not the Catholic Church. The founders of the FSSP made a deal with the modernist church when they left the SSPX. It is possible to make somewhat of a defense of their action, but it is still a blot on their record.
@@gregcook9856 well I am a Catholic. So I believe in the church because Christ said it will be prevail and Satan will not. I am, as a FSSP member, preserving the remnant that Christ prophesied.
@@orangemanbad Then I think we are on the same side. I was only making an interpretation of the facts around the aftermath of the 1988 Econe consecrations. Who knows? I may have done the same thing as Fr. Berg and compatriots. I am a "unite the clans" advocate. There have always been difficulties resulting from the way Abp. Lefebvre proceeded, just as the FSSP have always had difficulties (no bishops of their own, for one thing) because of the choices of its founders.
@@jeffreykalb9752 Very true but as Bishop Strickland and the Bishop Torres were ostracized by PF not to mention Archbishop Viganó, they are subject to the Vatican’s tyranny. Besides, the SSPX has drifted from AB Lefebvre core values. Btw, I’ve had to drive to a SSPX chapel because the nearby FSSP chapel caved to the mask agenda and a few nonsensical demands. Currently, I attend the daily TLM at a nearby chapel (1962) and supplemental masses at a private chapel, pre-1955 Mass. God willing there will be one form of liturgy in the future similar to that of my youth.
Trad seminaries are packed while NO seminaries are sparce. Hierarchy is elderly and on their way out. This is crashing sooner than later and there will be a surge of Trad Priests. Pax Christi!🙏🕊🙏🕊🙏🕊🙏🕊
Not true the SSPX before and after the consecrations are two different outfits. It's as ludicrous as saying the Mass only exists because of the SSPX or Traditional Catholicism only exists because of the SSPX, all obviously false.
@@marcokite No that's a false assumption. Many priests love the traditional Mass and they found common cause in the SSPX BEFORE the consecrations. Its like saying the church only exists because of the SSPX. Or the Mass only exists because of the SSPX. Indeed some would go so far as to think there was no Church before the SSPX. I would posit that we would have MORE tradition had Lebreve not consecrated the Bishops. We can't know for sure but it was a problematic move. As Catholics we need to be 100% faithful to doctrine and there is an issue with papal Authority in the SSPX and with indefectibility. Other stuff is good but that isn't and it plays out in the organisation.
No it's because they don't need to teach scandal. Most of us do not need to be involved in such conversations. The pastors of the church only teach the faith to get you to heaven.
@@gregnunan4885 you think there is no hatred of heresy on the part of fraternity priests? This is exactly the problem with so many "trads" on the internet. I hardly ever comment on videos. I merely observe and learn. But I have questions, Are you married? Do you have children? You should be able to teach and see the salvation of your children's souls through love for Christ and His Church. Teaching them what's right and just and not having to point out what others are doing in the world. Instead teach them the faith and then point out the flaws amongst ourselves as a family so they will grow in their own personal sanctity. This is what priests do for their spiritual children. I think having zeal and being militant isn't what you think it is. I'd call that being rash.
Sadly because of cowardice the FSSP remains under the martial law of the Modernist ant-Christs. They should break free from the anti-Church that has infiltrating our Vatican. Then freely practice and preach the truth of the Gospel. God in no way desires us to obey His enemies in Rome, but for love of Him, battle His wicked enemes who are misleading the faithful.
I asked my VERY devoted to Christ, the Blessed Mother, and the Church, FSSP Pastor what he would do if the Bishop (who is I understand is very Liberal) mandated that he also celebrate an NO Mass. He replied without pause, "I'd not comply."
@@IHS_003 the ones who have rebellion against tyranny set in their mind aren't the ones speaking out. I pray that they also have it set in their heart.
Bishop will appose Bishop, priest will appose priest, this is what our lady foretold, exactly that as those that hold faith with the true doctrines set out of the One true Catholic Apostolic Church. Instead of uniting against our common enemy we are fast being divided amongst ourselves by the very enemy of the church. The sspx now today is also not totally blameless either, tho to a lesser degree as shown by the FSSP.
I know a fraternity priest who left because of 'all the confusion'. Allow me to paraphrase the late Fr. Hesse: "the Holy Ghost does not start a congregation in order to fight another congregation".
Lol no it isn’t. I’m a trad Catholic under the 1962 missal, and your comment is moronic. Protestants don’t believe in the mass. Novus ordo Catholics do. Apparently you’ve never attended a mass before? I recommend you give it a try.
Well said Lex orandi, lex credendi (Latin: "The law that has to be prayed, will determine the law that has to be believed.") Therefore the Holy Mass is not just a foundation of the faith but it is THEE foundation of the faith. The way the altar is built, what the priest wears, the position of his hands during Holy Mass as well as the position of the priest body with his back to the people along with The Roman Rite Missal are all tiny rubrics that makes up what has to be prayed. Which is called "Lex Orandi" and THIS CANNOT BE CHANGE. For the simple reason, if you can change the law of what has to be prayed then you change what has to be believed. Therefore you change the faith.
I don’t follow, watch, or listen to the Pope. I’ll read any ex Cathedra statements, decrees, and encyclicals, perhaps watch him give an Easter or Christmas Mass, but that’s the extent of it.
One of the largest criticisms Francis made in Traditionis Custodes was that the attendance at Eastern Rite Churches is still diminishing and he was dissapointed that Traditionalists never helped to fill in that gap. Additionally, perhaps SSPX would get new bishops if their authors wouldn't be foaming at the mouth screamimg sed vacante. You kind of reap what you sew. FSSP has too much class and character to get their hands dirty. Leave those priests alone, they're noble men. Walk with Christ brothers.
@@tGtg24689 That is the Roman argument against any other tradition. They have a bishop in Rome that prevents such divisions. The fact is, Rome itself is just as divided as other traditions. I see those in Rome saying worse things about Francis than even Lutherans.
More of the same what? Preaching the gospel? Quoting the spiritual writings of the great saints? Helping us get to heaven? Following what the Church always taught before the 1960's?
@@Marcia-fw3wz Don’t forget requiring such beliefs as the perpetual virginity of Mary, Mary being born without sin, Mary’s assumption, prayer to saints, purgatory, the Eucharist in one kind, salvation for pagans, and many other doctrines neither found in God’s infallible Word, nor supported by it. So…
@@ShaNaNa242But he caved when V2 was hijacked within the first two days and the schedule, that had taken three years to prepare, was changed beyond recognition. He did nothing about it.
@@justinjanecka3203 That’s why I support them … I believe in schism, schism from Pachamama, stands, and what Ms Engel called “ The sacrament of S*d*my”
@@AlasPoorEngland wow, throwing an entire legacy of Catholicism away over one bad pope and a handful of bad clergymen... reform always comes from inside.
@@justinjanecka3203 HOW many bad popes? Anyway, history shows many “bad” popes, but how many of those threw away Peter’s patrimony? Once ONE has done that and the church remains in communion with him, they share in the destruction and lose office … wishing won’t restore that!
I think the SSPX would be behaving the same way if they didn't have bishops. I just wonder if the FSSP will have the humility to admit they were wrong in 1988. Based on their history, I doubt it.
They were very wrong: they should have consactrated TWELVE BISHOPS, not just four. MARCEL LEFEBVRE IS A SAINT IN HEAVEN. And JP 2 is no saint, ecumaniac, Koran kisser and protector of miriads of pederasts.
Error: The head of the hæretical modernist sect can simultaneously be the head of the Catholic Church. You know modernism isn't Catholicism. You should know that it's neither acceptable to act oblivious to a true Pope's teachings, nor to act as though a Pope's "magisterium" must be avoided for the sake of salvation. The Vatican II sect has different doctrines, different liturgy, different laws, different rites, different form, and different intention; it is in contrast to the Catholic Church.
I sing in a choir of the FSSP and I am very happy they called this out. If you don't accept the "conciliar church" your are in schism and thus not catholic. It is actually very simple if you read and understand canon law.
The "conciliar church" is NOT the Church. It is a leach subsisting on the Church's lifeblood. I suspect your education is not one-tenth of what you think it is.
Why don't you attend the novus ordo parish 10 minutes from your house instead of driving to the Latin Mass? Francis, the Holy Father, Vicar of Christ, despises the Latin Mass and made it clear in Traditionis Custodes that he wants it gone yesterday.
Why do you reject the Novus Ordo yet accept the 1968 new Rites of Ordination and Consecration. The modernists destroyed the Mass with the Novus Ordo. Don’t you think they also planned on also destroying the priesthood?
Because if you don't accept that, it means ALL ordinations and consecrations are invalid after 1968, which means for 56 years, EVERYTHING the Church done was invalid, and that is a step too far for its own survival. Time will say how valid they are, but you cannot negotiate nor condemn something which has no alternative and could condemn billions.
How many more years will you watch the tail wag the dog? The last warning given by Sister Lucia before she vanished forever, was in 1957: "God is about to punish the world in a terrible manner, starting in 1960". Because of the failures of Pius XI and Pius XII, God removed the Holy Spirit from the Roman Church. Then the devil was allowed to take over. FSSP Priests are Ordained by Novus Ordo Bishops. Their Masses are not valid.
How on earth can God "remove" the Holy Spirit from the Church, seeing that the Holy Spirit is the soul of the Church? Are you implying that the Church is dead (a body without a soul)? If so, you're a heretic! No, the true Church is presently eclipsed by a fak
@@ShaNaNa242 You don't put much thought into things do you? The Eastern Rites are there, as are the Orders not connected with the Vatican, like the SSPX.
@@stevecalovich3682 you said "God removed the Holy Spirit from the Roman Church." You sound like an Eastern Schismatic. The church cannot function without a head for 65 years and no ammount of ahistorical cope will ever defend the absolute ludicrousness of your untenable position.
Famous quote from Myers, demonstrating that division and choice are all-essential: “Stand thou on that side, for on this am I!” Without division, the dry and wet lands are all one: the sheep and goats are all one flock, and universalism reigns!
I have tried to join the Novus Ordo church the FSSP parish and the FSSPX chapel and can say without hesitation if your just looking at Doctrine all three fail. If you’re just looking at Liturgical practices both the N O and the FSSP fail. I attend an SSPX chapel for Sunday Holy Mass but do not follow anyone of the three as far as True Roman Catholic Doctrine as that Truth rests in peace with those of the 1960s who steadfastly oppose the establishment of a new church out of the New Modern catholic religion.
I have been considering returning to Catholicism, but I am still so torn between where to go... we have hardcore Modernist New Mass Parish and some Conservative New Mass Churches... there is also FSSP and SSPX and even an American Catholic Church all within driving distance.....
"At this point, it's criminally negligent to remain in communion with Antipope Frances and the counterfeit entity he leads. Note that criminal negligence requires no intent. It's simply involves of reckless disregard for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of one's actions, here the furtherance of fraud. Anyone now remaining in communion with frances and his fellow false shepherds is guilty as an accessory to their fraud." Jeremiah Alphonsus
Wake up! God’s judgement is coming. The Holy Bible says the wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17 KJV) ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE YOU Ye must be born again! Trust Jesus Christ alone as your personal Saviour and be saved today. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” - Romans 3:23-24 KJV “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” - Romans 5:8-9 KJV “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” - Romans 10:9 KJV
@@2000YearsOfTradition The eastern schismatics allow contraception and divorce 3 times! I didn't know that. They comprise a bunch of autonomous and autocephalus churches, do they all allow those?
@@GN-z11150 - Yes, the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) permits the use of contraception: Contraception The OCA, which is in full communion with most Eastern Orthodox churches, allows the use of contraception. In vitro fertilization (IVF) Orthodox Christians who pursue IVF should seek spiritual guidance and a blessing. They should not create more embryos than will be transferred in the same cycle, and freezing, discarding, or reduction of embryos is forbidden. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has historically taught against artificial contraception. The Roman Catholic church forbids contraceptive use because it is a sin against nature.
Yes, the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) permits the use of contraception: Contraception: The OCA, which is in full communion with most Eastern Orthodox churches, allows the use of contraception. In vitro fertilization (IVF): Orthodox Christians who pursue IVF should seek spiritual guidance and a blessing. They should not create more embryos than will be transferred in the same cycle, and freezing, discarding, or reduction of embryos is forbidden. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has historically taught against artificial contraception. The Roman Catholic Church forbids contraceptive use because it is a sin against nature.
That’s a terrible opinion. You like priests who run a living museum because it’s their charism and have to compromise to do it. I care about the salvation of souls which is the mission of the FSSPX; which is not just wanting a pretty Mass but to preserve and promote Catholic Truth that has been handed down through Tradition.
@@JustaRandomCatholic I do too, one saved me and was instrumental in healing me. Good and Holy, they understand how to Praise and Worship God and do SACRIFICE. Alot of others would do well to learn a thing or too from their humble witness.
@@FrantziskoEtxeberria The SSPX faithful where I come from would and did prefer a modernist priest who preached the rosary was good for mental health than excellent FSSP priests because they wanted the territory. It was despicable. They couldn't care less for the souls that couldn't in good conscience go to the SSPX. They seemed only interested in their own self preservation. I wish that they were what some people say they are, but I found they would do stuff I would never do just because they felt justified. After all they were SAVING the Church (whilst sinning). May God Help us all!
Francis did not say that these religions are equal to the one true church. Go to the Second Vatican Council and read what the Council says about this topic. If you claim the Council will say the same, then you are the ones who don't know how to be Catholic and you are one of those who need the correction, not Pope Francis.
@@thedudeabides3930 Gorrilla tactics with no ongoing loyal provision just trying hive off existing Masses providing by FSSP and diocesan. Competing Mass schedules etc and bombarding Trad Masses with types coming to 'Convert' people. All red pilled political types either not enough spiritual formation nor practise! Blaming women for their own lack of leadership and manliness. The last point gets so bad that the girls go feminist. Go figure!
1:10 What’s problematic is undermining Christ’s Church of which The Gates of Hell will never prevail against, as proclaimed by Christ the King, by ignoring a Vatican Council and refusing to submit to the authority of the Vicar of Christ on Earth. These actions are little different from those of Martin Luther
So is being Lutheran wrong or a pejorative ? Your boy bergolio had a stamp and statue honoring Luther in the Vatican so the Vicar of Christ is good with it why not you ?.
I challenge you to go to any Lutheran service. Why? You will hear almost the exact same words used as in the NO mass. I guess those 7 Protestants that were invited to V2 had a huge influence on the new mass. How about Bergolios Vatican celebrating the Reformation with Stamps and statues. Open your eyes!! The real scandal is the fact that the St Gallen Mafia controls the Vatican. You can read the book and educate yourself of you can be in denial. This was planned a long time ago. You can also read the following books as well: Infiltration and AA-1025. Have you ever heard of Bella Dodd? Look her up. She testified before congress to the fact the Catholic Church was infiltrated by 1000 communist agents. She was the chief architect of that infiltration. The scandal was V2 we are just calling it out now!
The Novus Ordo IS THE TRADITIONAL MASS. Canon #1 is the previous Roman Canon. It is merely translated into the language of the people with the many redundancies that were added at various times reduced. You know like, Pentecost, where people could understand what was being said. I am always amazed at how sometimes (more often not actually) people romanticize the previous version of the Traditional Mass. I was there. I served hundreds of Latin Masses. I always remember the first mass I served as a ten-year-old in 1960. I was scandalized. The priest rushed through Mass so fast that we altar boys weren't even able to finish our responses to him. Of course, the priest prayed to the wall, mumbled, and people really didn't know what was going on. People just prayed the rosary. The Latin Mass was nothing like these johnny come lately so-called traditionalists try to portray. The Heavens were crying out for reform! I always thank God for the wonderful work of the Holy Spirit in bringing the beautiful Novus Ordo to the Church. It has meant so much to me and to millions of people, especially in mission lands. It is one thing to want to have Mass in Latin in the previous manner. But to constantly hear that the incredible gift of the Holy Spirit in the Novus Ordo Mass is flawed and not as holy as the previous Mass version is seriously grievous. God bless!
+JMJ The NO is a hard and definitive break with Tradition. It's irreverent, banal, inane and allows for profuse sacrilege. We know it by its sickening fruit: churches closing, lack in belief in the Real Presence, a collapse in vocations, a collapse in marriages, a collapse in infant baptisms, a sexual abuse crisis, an antipope pushing sexual sin and confusion. Your statement rings hollow like the NO. Repent and pray for the Church.
@@tomredd9025 Have you heard the latest. The auxiliary Bishop in BP Dominique Rey's diocese forbids newly ordained to exclusively use the Roman Canon #1 in the NO. That's what we are dealing with and they know exactly what they are doing!
Comparatively recent converts to the Church, such as Dr Anthony Stine, are causing a schism by being so fanatical about the so called "Traditional" Mass. He goes so far as denying Francis is Pontiff. He has a large following of like minded fanatics. This is tragic.
Was the FSSP correct in criticizing Paix Liturgique?
Correct? To call for unity, yes. To call out? No.
Expedient? Time will tell.
No. The attack was pitiful, gutless, suicidal and actually really stupid.
I only know that the FSSP priests at my parish are holy and devout men who sincerely care about our eternal salvation.
@@Marcia-fw3wz There may be good priests in the FSSP as individuals, but the FSSP is not good.
@@FrantziskoEtxeberria
Does a bad tree produce good fruit?
I'm reminded of the phrase " when you try to negotiate with the alligators, you will simply be eaten last ".
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@@RickW-HGWT stpo on and that is just what might happen to sspx
I know there are many good and holy FSSP priests. However, the Fraternity itself is founded on a problematic action--the abandonment of Abp. Lefebvre in his hour of need, and the continuation of Tradition.
We are in full communion with Rome. If you hate the Catholic Church, go elsewhere.
@@orangemanbad Who is "we"? I hate Modernism, not the Catholic Church. The founders of the FSSP made a deal with the modernist church when they left the SSPX. It is possible to make somewhat of a defense of their action, but it is still a blot on their record.
@@gregcook9856 well I am a Catholic. So I believe in the church because Christ said it will be prevail and Satan will not. I am, as a FSSP member, preserving the remnant that Christ prophesied.
@@orangemanbad Then I think we are on the same side. I was only making an interpretation of the facts around the aftermath of the 1988 Econe consecrations. Who knows? I may have done the same thing as Fr. Berg and compatriots. I am a "unite the clans" advocate. There have always been difficulties resulting from the way Abp. Lefebvre proceeded, just as the FSSP have always had difficulties (no bishops of their own, for one thing) because of the choices of its founders.
@@orangemanbadamen
This is why I say that the SSPX is not the same as the FSSP.
If PF lives long enough or his replacement is equal to or worse it almost inevitable that the SSPX is next and they too will crumble!
@@andrewf.castaneda4695 They have bishops, at least for the time being.
@@jeffreykalb9752 Very true but as Bishop Strickland and the Bishop Torres were ostracized by PF not to mention Archbishop Viganó, they are subject to the Vatican’s tyranny. Besides, the SSPX has drifted from AB Lefebvre core values. Btw, I’ve had to drive to a SSPX chapel because the nearby FSSP chapel caved to the mask agenda and a few nonsensical demands. Currently, I attend the daily TLM at a nearby chapel (1962) and supplemental masses at a private chapel, pre-1955 Mass. God willing there will be one form of liturgy in the future similar to that of my youth.
Agree. FSSP is superior.
@@orangemanbadIn what way?
It's not just about The TLM (even though it's extremely important) it's about the Faith whole and entire.
+CHRISTVS REX EST 👑
Trad seminaries are packed while NO seminaries are sparce. Hierarchy is elderly and on their way out. This is crashing sooner than later and there will be a surge of Trad Priests. Pax Christi!🙏🕊🙏🕊🙏🕊🙏🕊
"And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath the faithful with the unbeliever?"
2 Cor 6:15
Wow. This!!!
Sspx saved my life
They are marching toward Rome.
Yeah right
Amen.
@@Tradition75christian it saved my sanity fr Gregory Hesse Bishop Rithard wiliamson ect ect
Father Gregorius Hesse was right.
Requiescat in pace
FR Hesse drank too much 🍷 . It always turned me off before I could take anything he would say seriously.
@@MacheteMambi RIP though!
This is not true...the FSSP try to reach souls, there are many ways to achieve it. Many more people go to the Latin Mass because of the FSSP.
They only exist to run a living museum.
Yes BUT the FSSP ONLY exists because the SSPX exists.
Not true the SSPX before and after the consecrations are two different outfits.
It's as ludicrous as saying the Mass only exists because of the SSPX or Traditional Catholicism only exists because of the SSPX, all obviously false.
@@marcokite No that's a false assumption.
Many priests love the traditional Mass and they found common cause in the SSPX BEFORE the consecrations. Its like saying the church only exists because of the SSPX. Or the Mass only exists because of the SSPX. Indeed some would go so far as to think there was no Church before the SSPX.
I would posit that we would have MORE tradition had Lebreve not consecrated the Bishops. We can't know for sure but it was a problematic move. As Catholics we need to be 100% faithful to doctrine and there is an issue with papal Authority in the SSPX and with indefectibility. Other stuff is good but that isn't and it plays out in the organisation.
I love my FSSP parish but they never say anything about the errors of Vatican ll or the horrors of the Paul Vl Mass.
No - because they officially can’t. Sadly just part of the compromise they make to be in ‘full communion’
No it's because they don't need to teach scandal. Most of us do not need to be involved in such conversations. The pastors of the church only teach the faith to get you to heaven.
@@Ramonsotojrif there is no hatred of heresy there is no holiness
@@gregnunan4885 you think there is no hatred of heresy on the part of fraternity priests? This is exactly the problem with so many "trads" on the internet. I hardly ever comment on videos. I merely observe and learn. But I have questions, Are you married? Do you have children? You should be able to teach and see the salvation of your children's souls through love for Christ and His Church. Teaching them what's right and just and not having to point out what others are doing in the world. Instead teach them the faith and then point out the flaws amongst ourselves as a family so they will grow in their own personal sanctity. This is what priests do for their spiritual children. I think having zeal and being militant isn't what you think it is. I'd call that being rash.
Sadly because of cowardice the FSSP remains under the martial law of the Modernist ant-Christs. They should break free from the anti-Church that has infiltrating our Vatican. Then freely practice and preach the truth of the Gospel. God in no way desires us to obey His enemies in Rome, but for love of Him, battle His wicked enemes who are misleading the faithful.
I asked my VERY devoted to Christ, the Blessed Mother, and the Church, FSSP Pastor what he would do if the Bishop (who is I understand is very Liberal) mandated that he also celebrate an NO Mass. He replied without pause, "I'd not comply."
and yet the FSSP condemns the SSPX for the exact same thing.
@@IHS_003 the ones who have rebellion against tyranny set in their mind aren't the ones speaking out. I pray that they also have it set in their heart.
Bishop will appose Bishop, priest will appose priest, this is what our lady foretold, exactly that as those that hold faith with the true doctrines set out of the One true Catholic Apostolic Church. Instead of uniting against our common enemy we are fast being divided amongst ourselves by the very enemy of the church. The sspx now today is also not totally blameless either, tho to a lesser degree as shown by the FSSP.
You do not know what you are talking about 2000 years of vatican should help to understand vatican one
In Canada, it is often said that one of three biggest lies is: "I'm from Ottawa and am here to help you."
I know a fraternity priest who left because of 'all the confusion'. Allow me to paraphrase the late Fr. Hesse: "the Holy Ghost does not start a congregation in order to fight another congregation".
Seems like nothing changed in the FSSP.
EXACTLY ! ! !
I dont like this image next to your name.
@@marciecorda5209
Puppies and play dough are in the corner for your safest place.
@@marciecorda5209 It's from a fictional story called Berserk, it's really good
Novus Ordo is a protestant religion.... That is just a plain and simple fact.
Are you a Sede? If not how do you square being united to a Protestant Religion?
I showed the text of the Novus Ordo Mass to a Protestant and asked him how far into the Mass he had an objection. He got as far as the Confiteor.
Lol no it isn’t. I’m a trad Catholic under the 1962 missal, and your comment is moronic. Protestants don’t believe in the mass. Novus ordo Catholics do. Apparently you’ve never attended a mass before? I recommend you give it a try.
Well said
Lex orandi, lex credendi (Latin:
"The law that has to be prayed, will determine the law that has to be believed.")
Therefore the Holy Mass is not just a foundation of the faith but it is THEE foundation of the faith.
The way the altar is built, what the priest wears, the position of his hands during Holy Mass as well as the position of the priest body with his back to the people along with The Roman Rite Missal are all tiny rubrics that makes up what has to be prayed. Which is called "Lex Orandi" and THIS CANNOT BE CHANGE.
For the simple reason, if you can change the law of what has to be prayed then you change what has to be believed. Therefore you change the faith.
@@whiteheatherclub When I was in the novus ordo, the priest omitted the Confiteor.
I don’t follow, watch, or listen to the Pope. I’ll read any ex Cathedra statements, decrees, and encyclicals, perhaps watch him give an Easter or Christmas Mass, but that’s the extent of it.
Rundus is a very sharp young man. Deo gratias.
If dark situations aren't brought up it's the same as accepting what is going on.
One of the largest criticisms Francis made in Traditionis Custodes was that the attendance at Eastern Rite Churches is still diminishing and he was dissapointed that Traditionalists never helped to fill in that gap.
Additionally, perhaps SSPX would get new bishops if their authors wouldn't be foaming at the mouth screamimg sed vacante. You kind of reap what you sew.
FSSP has too much class and character to get their hands dirty. Leave those priests alone, they're noble men.
Walk with Christ brothers.
But, w/o Trads, who would go to any FSSP Mass?
My FSSP priests are the best. God bless them and Our Lady keep them
All predicted exactly a century ago by René Guénon.
Who cares what René Guénon predicted? He was an apostate, a freemason and eventually became a Sufi. He was a danger to the Catholic Faith.
Guénon was an apostate, a freemason and eventually became a Sufi. He was a danger to the Catholic Faith, and still is.
Guénon was an ecumaniac gnostic (he converted to Mahommedanism and died therin).
Guénon was an apostate and a stone cutter. He was, and still is, a danger to the Catholic Faith.
Lol. Evola predicted it actually and he lived until the 1970s in Italy.
Of all groups the FSSP should be helping to save the Church right now, instead they’re just doing more of the same and staying quiet.
But I thought having one bishop in Rome prevented such divisions in a church.
@@stephenkneller9318 since when?
@@tGtg24689 That is the Roman argument against any other tradition. They have a bishop in Rome that prevents such divisions. The fact is, Rome itself is just as divided as other traditions. I see those in Rome saying worse things about Francis than even Lutherans.
More of the same what? Preaching the gospel? Quoting the spiritual writings of the great saints? Helping us get to heaven? Following what the Church always taught before the 1960's?
@@Marcia-fw3wz Don’t forget requiring such beliefs as the perpetual virginity of Mary, Mary being born without sin, Mary’s assumption, prayer to saints, purgatory, the Eucharist in one kind, salvation for pagans, and many other doctrines neither found in God’s infallible Word, nor supported by it. So…
Excellent commentary by Murray Rundus! May the FSSP return to the FSSPX. 🙏
Very interesting...
Thanks - great show as always 🔥👏😎.
God bless, Ave Maria 🙏⛪⚓👑!
Please Lord, don’t allow them to be afraid to be called “too Catholic!”
I will bet on the SSPX if they consecrate another four bishops, with or without the approval of Francis Bergoglio.
Fellay church is de facto new world order church of jorge, ex bouncer from argentina.
Novus ordo is not catholic
the FSSP is skating on very thin ice--- their days are numbered
No
Im concerned abt compromising and coming out with much less.🙏🕊
Not at all. The lord promised that the church will prevail.
@@orangemanbad the FSSP is not the church
@@peterfrey6062 are you 10 years old?
The horrors of anti-Pope john xxiii.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT, bill hathaway??
Pope John XXIII didn't make the new mass or sign any Vatican II documents.
@@ShaNaNa242But he caved when V2 was hijacked within the first two days and the schedule, that had taken three years to prepare, was changed beyond recognition. He did nothing about it.
@@--Mar he was dying and was pretty preoccupied with that. He also never signed the documents of the council.
@@ShaNaNa242 Perhaps if he had obediently revealed the third secret rather than calling a council, he would not need defending.
@@nataliekline6044 and non of the pre Vatican II popes ever need defending? Ok
Support the SSPX!
They can't even get new Bishops because they are too radical. Supporting SSPX at this point is supporting Schism.
Walk with Christ
@@justinjanecka3203 That’s why I support them … I believe in schism, schism from Pachamama, stands, and what Ms Engel called “ The sacrament of S*d*my”
@@AlasPoorEngland wow, throwing an entire legacy of Catholicism away over one bad pope and a handful of bad clergymen... reform always comes from inside.
@@justinjanecka3203 HOW many bad popes? Anyway, history shows many “bad” popes, but how many of those threw away Peter’s patrimony? Once ONE has done that and the church remains in communion with him, they share in the destruction and lose office … wishing won’t restore that!
The word ‘paix’ is French, not Latin, and is pronounced ‘pay’
I think the SSPX would be behaving the same way if they didn't have bishops. I just wonder if the FSSP will have the humility to admit they were wrong in 1988. Based on their history, I doubt it.
The SSPX is practically back to 1988, being down to 2 bishops. Will they wait until there is one?
They were very wrong: they should have consactrated TWELVE BISHOPS, not just four. MARCEL LEFEBVRE IS A SAINT IN HEAVEN. And JP 2 is no saint, ecumaniac, Koran kisser and protector of miriads of pederasts.
Many FSSP priests came over from the SSPX.
Juror priests , they serve modernist Roman, not the Catholic faith!!!!!!!
Error:
The head of the hæretical modernist sect can simultaneously be the head of the Catholic Church.
You know modernism isn't Catholicism. You should know that it's neither acceptable to act oblivious to a true Pope's teachings, nor to act as though a Pope's "magisterium" must be avoided for the sake of salvation. The Vatican II sect has different doctrines, different liturgy, different laws, different rites, different form, and different intention; it is in contrast to the Catholic Church.
I sing in a choir of the FSSP and I am very happy they called this out. If you don't accept the "conciliar church" your are in schism and thus not catholic. It is actually very simple if you read and understand canon law.
The "conciliar church" is NOT the Church. It is a leach subsisting on the Church's lifeblood. I suspect your education is not one-tenth of what you think it is.
this is your brain on FSSP theology.
Oh yeah, it’s “very simple.”
What conciliar church are you talking about? We accept the Catholic Church of all times
Why don't you attend the novus ordo parish 10 minutes from your house instead of driving to the Latin Mass? Francis, the Holy Father, Vicar of Christ, despises the Latin Mass and made it clear in Traditionis Custodes that he wants it gone yesterday.
is the FSSP dodging the bullet?
Nope. They're targeted right now, and they will bow, just like they did in '88. Just watch.
Why do you reject the Novus Ordo yet accept the 1968 new Rites of Ordination and Consecration. The modernists destroyed the Mass with the Novus Ordo. Don’t you think they also planned on also destroying the priesthood?
Because if you don't accept that, it means ALL ordinations and consecrations are invalid after 1968, which means for 56 years, EVERYTHING the Church done was invalid, and that is a step too far for its own survival. Time will say how valid they are, but you cannot negotiate nor condemn something which has no alternative and could condemn billions.
How many more years will you watch the tail wag the dog? The last warning given by Sister Lucia before she vanished forever, was in 1957: "God is about to punish the world in a terrible manner, starting in 1960". Because of the failures of Pius XI and Pius XII, God removed the Holy Spirit from the Roman Church. Then the devil was allowed to take over. FSSP Priests are Ordained by Novus Ordo Bishops. Their Masses are not valid.
So true. The great apostasy is indeed GREAT.
Lol, so the church doesn't exist anymore? Ok
How on earth can God "remove" the Holy Spirit from the Church, seeing that the Holy Spirit is the soul of the Church? Are you implying that the Church is dead (a body without a soul)? If so, you're a heretic! No, the true Church is presently eclipsed by a fak
@@ShaNaNa242 You don't put much thought into things do you? The Eastern Rites are there, as are the Orders not connected with the Vatican, like the SSPX.
@@stevecalovich3682 you said "God removed the Holy Spirit from the Roman Church." You sound like an Eastern Schismatic. The church cannot function without a head for 65 years and no ammount of ahistorical cope will ever defend the absolute ludicrousness of your untenable position.
Division is not always a bad thing.
True since the sheep will be separated from the goats...🙏🕊
Famous quote from Myers, demonstrating that division and choice are all-essential: “Stand thou on that side, for on this am I!” Without division, the dry and wet lands are all one: the sheep and goats are all one flock, and universalism reigns!
Amen. I want to be divided from Satan (and Pachamama) so...
Division? "Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword." (Matt 10:34)
Neither does SSPX
I have tried to join the Novus Ordo church the FSSP parish and the FSSPX chapel and can say without hesitation if your just looking at Doctrine all three fail. If you’re just looking at Liturgical practices both the N O and the FSSP fail. I attend an SSPX chapel for Sunday Holy Mass but do not follow anyone of the three as far as True Roman Catholic Doctrine as that Truth rests in peace with those of the 1960s who steadfastly oppose the establishment of a new church out of the New Modern catholic religion.
I have been considering returning to Catholicism, but I am still so torn between where to go... we have hardcore Modernist New Mass Parish and some Conservative New Mass Churches... there is also FSSP and SSPX and even an American Catholic Church all within driving distance.....
Go to fssp and SSPX , talk to them for the best insights.
Before the Vatican II revolution Catholics did not have to "shop around" to find a parish that didn't teach heresy or celebrate a bizarre liturgy.
@kristin1659 I'm stealing that, good post.
Interesting discussion, it makes me so happy to be Orthodox
Is Russia still in Schism with Constantinople?
"At this point, it's criminally negligent to remain in communion with Antipope Frances and the counterfeit entity he leads. Note that criminal negligence requires no intent. It's simply involves of reckless disregard for the reasonably foreseeable consequences of one's actions, here the furtherance of fraud. Anyone now remaining in communion with frances and his fellow false shepherds is guilty as an accessory to their fraud." Jeremiah Alphonsus
So as an Eastern Catholic I should just become Orthodox?
Wake up! God’s judgement is coming. The Holy Bible says the wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. (Psalm 9:17 KJV)
ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE YOU
Ye must be born again! Trust Jesus Christ alone as your personal Saviour and be saved today.
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” - Romans 3:23-24 KJV
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” - Romans 5:8-9 KJV
“That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” - Romans 10:9 KJV
Vatican II, SSPX, Geocentrism - Fr. Ripperger (18 Sept 2024) ua-cam.com/video/gEKdA4xx6io/v-deo.html
Who ordained Fr Ripperger using which rite: the traditional or pre-Vatican II rite?
Return to the original church prior to modernism in 1054. Orthodoxy. 😃
You mean like the permission of contraceptives ?
Or maybe you mean divorce and remarriage up to 3 times, just not 4 ??
@@2000YearsOfTradition The eastern schismatics allow contraception and divorce 3 times! I didn't know that. They comprise a bunch of autonomous and autocephalus churches, do they all allow those?
@@2000YearsOfTradition EO does not permit contraceptives.
EO has a similar restrictive anulment process as the Roman Catholic Protestants.
@@GN-z11150 - Yes, the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) permits the use of contraception:
Contraception
The OCA, which is in full communion with most Eastern Orthodox churches, allows the use of contraception.
In vitro fertilization (IVF)
Orthodox Christians who pursue IVF should seek spiritual guidance and a blessing. They should not create more embryos than will be transferred in the same cycle, and freezing, discarding, or reduction of embryos is forbidden.
The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has historically taught against artificial contraception. The Roman Catholic church forbids contraceptive use because it is a sin against nature.
Yes, the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) permits the use of contraception:
Contraception:
The OCA, which is in full communion with most Eastern Orthodox churches, allows the use of contraception.
In vitro fertilization (IVF):
Orthodox Christians who pursue IVF should seek spiritual guidance and a blessing.
They should not create more embryos than will be transferred in the same cycle, and freezing, discarding, or reduction of embryos is forbidden.
The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has historically taught against artificial contraception.
The Roman Catholic Church forbids contraceptive use because it is a sin against nature.
I like the FSSP better than the SSPX
That’s a terrible opinion. You like priests who run a living museum because it’s their charism and have to compromise to do it. I care about the salvation of souls which is the mission of the FSSPX; which is not just wanting a pretty Mass but to preserve and promote Catholic Truth that has been handed down through Tradition.
Shake hands and make friends, if bergoglio turns on them where would you go ?.
@@JustaRandomCatholic I do too, one saved me and was instrumental in healing me. Good and Holy, they understand how to Praise and Worship God and do SACRIFICE. Alot of others would do well to learn a thing or too from their humble witness.
@@FrantziskoEtxeberria The SSPX faithful where I come from would and did prefer a modernist priest who preached the rosary was good for mental health than excellent FSSP priests because they wanted the territory. It was despicable. They couldn't care less for the souls that couldn't in good conscience go to the SSPX. They seemed only interested in their own self preservation. I wish that they were what some people say they are, but I found they would do stuff I would never do just because they felt justified. After all they were SAVING the Church (whilst sinning). May God Help us all!
@@FrantziskoEtxeberria the reason why i love it so much better than the SSPX is because why are there Schismatics Criticizing the pope
Francis did not say that these religions are equal to the one true church. Go to the Second Vatican Council and read what the Council says about this topic. If you claim the Council will say the same, then you are the ones who don't know how to be Catholic and you are one of those who need the correction, not Pope Francis.
We need to work to reach souls not close down Masses so that the SSPX can hoover up. They offer nothing and won't suffer anyone else to provide it.
The SSPX offer nothing? how do you figure?
@@thedudeabides3930 Gorrilla tactics with no ongoing loyal provision just trying hive off existing Masses providing by FSSP and diocesan. Competing Mass schedules etc and bombarding Trad Masses with types coming to 'Convert' people. All red pilled political types either not enough spiritual formation nor practise! Blaming women for their own lack of leadership and manliness.
The last point gets so bad that the girls go feminist. Go figure!
The SSPX where I live are off the wall. They live in a post apocalyptic lawless state where no rules apply except their own!
Boo hoo
Where are you referring to?
@@flyingtigerline typical
I think Pax Liturgique need to come clean as to why they target the FSSP
I think the FSSP need to come clean as to why they bow the knee to modernism.
Amazing to see the FSSP calling out crypto sedes, God bless them.
L
Another point is they say they do this for the Mass, when the liturgy provided is a pale rendition of the full liturgy that the FSSP provide.
1:10 What’s problematic is undermining Christ’s Church of which The Gates of Hell will never prevail against, as proclaimed by Christ the King, by ignoring a Vatican Council and refusing to submit to the authority of the Vicar of Christ on Earth. These actions are little different from those of Martin Luther
then, fully submit and believe that all religions are paths that arrive at God and place yourself outside the Catholic Church.
So is being Lutheran wrong or a pejorative ? Your boy bergolio had a stamp and statue honoring Luther in the Vatican so the Vicar of Christ is good with it why not you ?.
I challenge you to go to any Lutheran service. Why? You will hear almost the exact same words used as in the NO mass. I guess those 7 Protestants that were invited to V2 had a huge influence on the new mass. How about Bergolios Vatican celebrating the Reformation with Stamps and statues. Open your eyes!! The real scandal is the fact that the St Gallen Mafia controls the Vatican. You can read the book and educate yourself of you can be in denial. This was planned a long time ago. You can also read the following books as well: Infiltration and AA-1025. Have you ever heard of Bella Dodd? Look her up. She testified before congress to the fact the Catholic Church was infiltrated by 1000 communist agents. She was the chief architect of that infiltration. The scandal was V2 we are just calling it out now!
Why do you have pornographic stuff in your playlist?
If following the Pope means scrapping the Deposit of Faith, please remind me why I/we should remain Catholic.
The Novus Ordo IS THE TRADITIONAL MASS. Canon #1 is the previous Roman Canon. It is merely translated into the language of the people with the many redundancies that were added at various times reduced. You know like, Pentecost, where people could understand what was being said. I am always amazed at how sometimes (more often not actually) people romanticize the previous version of the Traditional Mass. I was there. I served hundreds of Latin Masses. I always remember the first mass I served as a ten-year-old in 1960. I was scandalized. The priest rushed through Mass so fast that we altar boys weren't even able to finish our responses to him. Of course, the priest prayed to the wall, mumbled, and people really didn't know what was going on. People just prayed the rosary. The Latin Mass was nothing like these johnny come lately so-called traditionalists try to portray. The Heavens were crying out for reform! I always thank God for the wonderful work of the Holy Spirit in bringing the beautiful Novus Ordo to the Church. It has meant so much to me and to millions of people, especially in mission lands. It is one thing to want to have Mass in Latin in the previous manner. But to constantly hear that the incredible gift of the Holy Spirit in the Novus Ordo Mass is flawed and not as holy as the previous Mass version is seriously grievous. God bless!
A "scandalized" 10 year old. 😮
+JMJ The NO is a hard and definitive break with Tradition. It's irreverent, banal, inane and allows for profuse sacrilege. We know it by its sickening fruit: churches closing, lack in belief in the Real Presence, a collapse in vocations, a collapse in marriages, a collapse in infant baptisms, a sexual abuse crisis, an antipope pushing sexual sin and confusion. Your statement rings hollow like the NO. Repent and pray for the Church.
@@tomredd9025 Have you heard the latest. The auxiliary Bishop in BP Dominique Rey's diocese forbids newly ordained to exclusively use the Roman Canon #1 in the NO. That's what we are dealing with and they know exactly what they are doing!
@@tomredd9025 Tom you've got appx 7% of the Roman Mass left in the NO. My jaw dropped when I first saw the TLM. So sad to be so defrauded😭
Comparatively recent converts to the Church, such as Dr Anthony Stine, are causing a schism by being so fanatical about the so called "Traditional" Mass. He goes so far as denying Francis is Pontiff. He has a large following of like minded fanatics. This is tragic.