Your Resos Are Killing Your Tom Tone | Season Three, Episode 38
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- Don’t just reach for the tape/gel/muffling of choice. If you’re constantly frustrated by tom sounds then there’s a very real possibility that it’s due to the lack of love your resonant heads are receiving. This is more common than you might think- even with the top professionals and studios alike, and the first thing people reach for is some sort of muffling rather than a drum key. In this episode we demonstrate how to diagnose choked toms and fix the issue with tuning rather than tape.
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Signal chain:
Mics - Focusrite Clarett 8Pre USB & OctoPre - MacPro w/Pro Tools 12.8
Recorded at 48kHz / 24bit
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Full kit: AKG C314 at drummer's perspective
Snare drum & tom tom close mics: Shure SM57
Primary Bass drum: AKG D112 centered on reso
Aux Bass Drum: KAM R3 ribbon mic ~10” from reso
Drums:
Pearl Masters Maple Custom Extra
Drumheads:
Snare: Evans G1 / Snare Side 300
Main Bass Drum: Evans UV EMAD / EQ3 Coated White reso w/port
Toms: Evans G1 clear / G1 clear
Hosted by: Cody Rahn
Production: Ben O'Brien Smith @ Cadence Independent Media
Production Partners: Evans Drumheads, Promark Drumsticks
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I'm shocked every time you guys release a new video that I'm actually getting this for free?? Such great information that's being delivered in an easy to understand way
Thanks for the kind words, Nathan. We want to keep producing a weekly series that's available for free. Of course, it costs a significant amount of money, time, and energy, not to mention that value of knowledge, to produce this series. We're grateful for the support of the roughly 200 members of our Patreon for helping support our work, though we'd love to see a few more of the ~58,000 subscribers step up.
@@SoundsLikeADrum Cody I asked just to hear some Zildgians, but you said go to patrion to listen so I just gave up cause I don't know how to send any thing like that I have a low iq about this I pad there's a lot I have tofigger out that's over my head
@@danpollard4210 Hi Dan! I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically but our cymbal series is exclusively on our Patreon. While we use some Zildjian cymbals we have a variety of other brands and custom cymbals in use throughout.
exactly my feeling as well, super useful content
Same here. I'm subscribed on this account and on my drum channel account
This video quality is prime.
Didn’t expect to see you here 😂 love your videos btw, best part of every day for me!
Factuals
Cody: Muffling is not the first place to go.
Me: PREACH!!
I have been defending real and natural resonance of drums for over forty years, including during the dead, muffled 70's. Love this video- simple and right to the point. I've had other drummers have me tune their drums and I show them how simple it is. Let the drum sing, let the drum breathe. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it. That said, muffled or or shortened sustain is just as valid as anything else given the right context and we’ll meet anyone outside on the alley way if they disagree. 😉 You’ll never catch us preaching a one-way approach to drum sounds here- that’s like walking into a conversation and only talking about yourself and ignoring the context of the discussion.
I love how he kinda looks pissed when hitting the drums with two high of reso tuning, like he’s thinking back to playing those backlined kits and how they ruined his gigs lmao
Even when he's explaining why it's bad it's like he's talking to someone specifically lmao
44 years of drumming and I've never heard such an awesome explanation of reso head science. Just re- tuned my micro kit and I can't believe the depth I got out of them. Thank you !!
That snare sounds incredible!!
I just listened to this with headphones and that snare just got my attention. It’s sweet
Would this work if had a coated g1 on top.
Too much ring.
@@johnminarik3442 I agree, I bet in the room it was more also. But it's still a great tuning, nothing a little muffling can't fix. You could probably get rid of it with EQ but I prefer to get rid of stuff like that at the source and leave the EQ for shaping rather than surgery.
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Agreed. I utilize the internal snare muffler to get where I want. I am so old school I used to "rag" my tom's, but with the heads currently available, not much need for that anymore.
Lessons I wish someone would have communicated to me when I first started getting into drums and really caring about my sound, communicated clearly, with no BS, and actually backed up with real playing and demonstrations (without any phony production tricks). This channel is such a great service to the drumming community and I'm so thankful for what you guys are doing. I became a patron yesterday :). Keep it up!
9:50: my strategy recently is to remove the batter head and hoop entirely, tune the reso so it’s maximizing the resonance of the drum itself, and only after that’s been executed correctly add the batter. It really helps with the coated batter heads that work best with brushes.
His sound 1:55 low reso 4:08 high reso 7:12 just in case you want to switch between the sounds quickly. My takeaway is that too low is not so bad but too high just kills the sound of the shells. As always... great video, great info.
I used to believe that tightening the reso up could be useful but not now like any drum too tight will choke the fundamental. House kits - bet you found one where the resos & batters ain’t even finger tight 😂
@@jeffreywegener8841 Almost ALL of the tone comes from the Reso heads. Choked, Flat or FAT. The Sound is up to You!
Agreed!! 63 years old here. Another I have always shot for is to limit ringing overtones.
Absolutely the best video on the importance of the reso head tuned properly. Minor third above the batter captures the essence of the whole video which you had mentioned it within a few minutes. Well done as the precise pitch min 3rd statement made me realize you knew the physics of wave functions. You deserve the respect of any musicians you engage with on this point alone. To quote “A good drummer can make an average band sound much better, a bad drummer can destroy a band overall sound. It all starts with the drummer listening closely not only to his drum kit but as well as each other player in the band continuously interweaving the bands overall sound.
This is about the clearest explanation I ever heard about the relationship between batter and reso heads.Great video.
You guy honest have THE BEST timing on UA-cam
Whatever issues I would have been experiencing you post a vid on!😂
Lol I thought you were talking about rhythm
As a 69 YO, Rookie, Cody is one of the best Instructors on the Web. Holy SH^T , Never realized the the ART of tuning and fine tuning drums. When I played 0ver 50 years (15-18 ) ago, I never knew there was such technical advice about tuning. Anyway, I have a cheap Gammon kit and I have been experimenting with new Heads (tried 3 different ones) so I am simply trying to obtain the "best" sound I can achieve... Happy Drumming All, Be Safe
Definitely one of the most informative and well-executed music channels I've found. Everything is delivered in an easy to understand way, quite free of elitism and opinion. Such a multitude of different topics covered too, this entire channel should be required viewing for anybody who's serious about drums.
Thanks so much, Brycen! We really appreciate it. We’re quite grateful for the support of our Patreon members for helping make this possible.
Thanks to this channel my drums no longer sound like buckets with hefty bags duct taped over the top... excellent source of valuable information here 🤘💀🤘
I've never heard this explained so clearly - thanks for the great video! Time to go play around with the resos!!
Me yesterday: "Man, my resos are killing my tom tone"
SLAD today:
Your videos are very informative and helpful, thanks for sharing with us!
Thx for all the experiments you do in your videos. I find that you answer many questions I've always wondered about. You are very well-spoken, clear and articulate. Much appreciated!
You have become my go to head and source for tuning. Best wishes!
Sounds like a drum coming through and saving my sanity yet again. Great video, guys!
1st time here from random search just got some g2 evans coated heads coming this week for a thrift store kit I found.
Liked and subscribed.
Needed this video
These videos are so to the point and detailed at the same time. No fluff or nonsense. Love it
These guys are so freakin' reasonable and professional. Love.
Great video. I spent years ignoring the reso head. It’s still a pain in my rear but you guys make everything better with each new video. Very much appreciated
Once again, amazing video as always! Only in the last maybe few years have I really given any real honest and intentional thought to my reso heads (with plenty of great information from you guys!). It has made a world of difference! I love the way my drums sound (and look for that matter) without a whole bunch of muffling on them. Thank you all again for doing this. Much appreciated!!!
Everyone else seems to do videos on quickly getting a good sound. I appreciate SO MUCH your detail and analytical approach to really understanding all the aspects of tuning. It allows me to be confident enough to experiment more and find my own sound. Thanks so much!
Thanks for your quality information and videos, Cody.
This was perfect 👌🏻, I was having this experience with my Tom tuning.
Thank you 🤘🏼
the reso heads as low as possible was my tuning throughout the complete 1980's and still up to the middle of the 1990's..... ;-) LOVE that sound......!!
That's my go to, plus with small toms they can still sound beefy and bigger than they actually are
Yeah that pitch drop is so good.
Besides all the great content and competent advice, you are succinct and articulate with the English language that quickly and comprehensively explain your thoughts. Thank you for this. WELL thought out and delivered.
Excellent, Excellent, Excellent video! Demonstrating the sound differences really taught me a lot. I also like how you gave scenarios in which the different tunings would help achieve the effect you are looking for......nice job!
Absolutely wonderful insightful information - thank you. Always fascinated with tuning options.
Such a clean pure sound. Thank you. Still working on getting that tone...
Love this channel! Cheers Cody!
Going to be exploring your channel for a bit and finsing my tuning based on your suggestions and ideas. Thanks for producing good quality and instructive content.
I learned this stuff that hard way. You guys are doing great work giving it to people for free
Absolutely amazing Information right here. Just got into drum tuning and this video helped me an absolute shit-ton to really hear the relationship between top- and bottom-head, spot problems and fix them. As creative as you can and should be with the overall pitch of the drum, muffling and alot of other things, I feel like there really is something like right and wrong when it comes to the relationship of the reso- and the beater-head on toms. Cheers mate - switched my ad-blocker of for you!
Thank you so much for this. Very informative as usual. Love the sound of your tuning
ALWAYS GREATNESS WHENEVER I GET A CHANCE TO VIEW YOUR VIDS BRO. GOOD JOB!
That clears up so much for me! Thank you!
You guys deserve sooo many more subscribers.
I've been playing for 40 years and over that time have fallen into the same routine of tuning my drums. This has been very informative, and it's changed my thoughts on tuning. I appreciate all the time and effort put into these videos!
Hey man. feel great about yourself. You guys are awesome. Thanks for this.
That was extremely insightful. Thankyou so much!
I appreciate what is being demonstrated here. I am always looking for that best ear sound, and frequently I'm tuning my toms to get a John Bonham sound using recommended frequency differences between the batter and reso heads. It definitely is frustrating trying to find that sound. You did a great job explaining why I may not be able to get the sound from my particular drums versus another one's drums.
Sir I tend to still love the other extreme ways of tuning u demonstrated. Maybe because u just a good tuner . So informative. Thanks a million
Excellent video guys! My floor tom would ring & ring... ended up placing an old Evans EC-2, with the internal rings, and that helped tremendously. This video has me re-thinking if that is just a band-aid and I should start from scratch to correct the work around.
Love your content! Cheers from Finland
You just made my day man!! I'm pretty new to all this, I had my tom reso heads tuned almost slack giving a very dead sound, which I thought was good, as no need for tape or gel, etc. But not very exciting. Would tune up slightly and get nasty ringing. But using your tips...WOW.....like I got a brand new drum kit. Way more tone and power to boot. Thank you so much.
I love that this channel gives you the tools you need to choose your own drum sound. Keep up the good work guys!
That's the thing. It really depends what you play and what you like.
And not sure what exactly is the deal with the floor tom in this video but none of the tunings sounded good on it...
The mounted was fine... just preferred the tighter sound in it with this specific demo. 🤷♂️
Great stuff. I had lots of problems back in the day with engineers wanting default muffling but I think the tech & attitudes have changed. Still on house kit , we will almost have to retune . Thanks again- love the “ heads talking to each other “ approach.
Excellent video and perfect timing because I've been struggling with my rack tom. I tune it to where I like it but when I mount it over the bass drum the sound changes radically. I've tried retuning it but can't find the sweet spot. Any suggestions?
Great video. thank you! I subscribed and will recommend your channel to my students.
Your comment about the drums “talking” to each other makes so much sense. It’s like the conversation gets blown out the back end if it’s tuned too low, and shoots back up at you if it’s too high.
Excellent video, thank you very much for making this topic understandable.
I appreciate this video SO MUCH. Thank you!
One of the most useful videos on YT.
You're really good at what you do. Thanks!
Amazing drum sounds... I've always tuned like this even as a teen...it always made me feel good as a musician when I'd take my kit into a studio or just kinda a hired hand live gig, and have the engineers or the other players or whatever, would really appreciate my drum sound and ease of recording them or getting them in the live mix.. I also was lucky enough to purchase a Sabian prototype flatbell ride in the late 80's that is arguably, for the music i play, the best sounding ride ever.... I've never even seen another one.... great video
Great video! Very helpful information. I've been playing for about 13 years, and I've found that I prefer tuning the batter heads based on what kind of attack they give me. I love a "slappy" sort of attack on a low-tuned (but not too low) single-ply coated head. Then I tune the resos a perfect fourth above the batters. I used to tune each drum to specific notes, but these days I go completely based on feel and natural tone of each drum.
Great vid, solid info without prejudice!
High school marching band drummer from back in the day. I could always get my snare sound preferences but my toms mostly fell flat and lifeless. I applied your advice to my kit. It made a world of difference. Thanks for the lesson. Some of us old dogs can indeed still learn.
Great job! This was super helpful!
Thanks for such good videos for free.
I love this stuff!!
Man that tom groove at the beginning kicks ass!!
Incredible video. Very helpful!
Well done! I play live and very seldom are my drums mic'd. Appreciate the comment about listening to your own drums from several feet away. What sounds good from behind the kit can sound like wet cardboard out front! I find using a Tun-bot and tuning both heads to the same pitch gives me max resonance, which means the sound makes it out into the audience. Good topic and video. Thank you!
Really well done! I decided to watch the video because over the past few years I've gone from the extra tape and muffling to playing (pretty much) wide open. It is an absolute joy to play "clean" drums with no tape...and better rebound. I have a moon gel on a few toms, but that's it. I was also frustrated that my O-ring dampeners would get kinked during packing and travel (if not lost altogether), so now I don't have to deal with that either. Your video confirms a lot of things for me. Again, well done. I think a lot of other players will benefit from your wisdom!
I use this concept to my advantage. I tune the top and bottom rack Tom heads the same for tone and resonance. But the floor Tom’s and kick, I keep the reso heads a little tighter and the batter real loose. This naturally muffles them. Not completely, but it definitely calms them down
What about on the floor Tom,seems to have boing sound and always have to moonjell the crap out of it,doesn't matter what kindve heads I use,please help.
@@chriscobbdrummer6876 If you are talking about that "bouncing basketball" kind of sound: You can put a paper towel or some kind of fabric inside of your floortom to absorb high frequency standing waves insinde of the drum. I think there was one episode tackling that topic...
Loose batter heads = no control, unless you are a banger only.
Expend many years to understand this relationship, and even now I have learned a lot. So useful this channel. Drumeo have not all the answers 🙂
Thats realy best explained video and easyest to understand tuning. Thanks
I've always struggled with tuning the heads just right, never even thinking about at what pitch range they have a clear line of communication. When I do get the right sound, I go so long without tuning them again that I forget what I did to achieve that sound the first time, lol. This was super helpful, thank you!
I only recently learned about how different the drums sound when you're sitting at them vs across the room. So you touching on that subject really helped paste it into my conscious when i try to tune. I use a Tascam to record about 5' away, so that would explain why my toms sometimes can't reach it.
Although I'm not a drummer I still found this interesting and informative. Thank you.
Thanks for these vids. Such great content
FINALLY!! A helpful guide to tuning drums that’s more than just “experiment and find what you like”
i’m mostly a sound guy and bass player, i just want to be able to get my church’s kit sounding ok
Great info as usual! Just put Reso7s + UV2s on the kit. Small adjustments on either can change the tone and or ruin the tone. Love the tip to start with the batter tone and feel you desire then match the reso. From there stop or adjust up and or down! Another top notch video!
Real info right here. Thank you.
Really great video! I normally use a pretty straightforward setup of coated G2s on the batter side with clear G1s on the reso side. In the medium tension range, I found great sounds with tuning both heads the same pitch, the reso a half step higher, or a whole step higher. But probably the half step higher on the reso side seems to work best on my kit. Experimented though recently with the minor 3rd interval on my 12” tom (reso higher) and it was quite good.
Best drum channel on UA-cam!
This just blew my mind, I’m an audio engineer and by far drums have been the hardest thing for me to learn, not just recording but TUNING.
Your video here comes down to a crystal clear wire as to why we need the drum to work in conjunction, what I mean is that we need the toms heads to work together and thinking in that way makes you more apt to touch the reso head.
Thanks for this awesome piece of information.
Great information guys .
Thanks 👍
I LOVED this video!!! I have been searching for an in-depth tom-tuning video FOREVER, including in Drumeo's member's area, and this is by far the best I have ever watched, My toms have been bothering me a lot lately, so what do I do? Avoid playing them? Does that make any sense? Nope. I am super excited to get to work! Thanks!
Man with just the g1s in the beginning, that floor tom sounds GREAT, especially when you put a bit more force into your hit!
Thanks for the video, I just bought new batter heads and I've been struggling with the tuning of the resos
This channel answered like all of my questions. You guys are awesome!!
My favorite and go-to for drum needs lol
Love the floor tom sound right out of the gate!
Great content wow I learned a lot and I’ve been drumming for 20 years. Earned a sub.
Hi Cody! I have been following you almost since you began your channel and have learned very much. Thank you 😊. One aspect of this particular video is that you didn’t turn the drum over to the reso head and tune it...to whatever suits your taste. Music is a universal language and every drummer has that “sound” they’re searching for. Any chance of sharing why you didn’t tune the reso head for us. Keep up the good educational format. We all appreciate it.
i love the info and this will really help my tuning, awesome sound a nd beautiful drum set.
attended a Arnoff drum clinic back in the 80s he shared his head set up remo thin diplomats on bottom and ambassadors on top his drums sounded great but too the man playing them is a awesome drummer.
You make the toms sound amazing
Great to have my suspicions confirmed. I always tune reso heads slightly higher than batter side, except on snares where I tune the reso head even more and then adjust the snare wires and top head to suit whatever I’m playing.
But I’ve always had some trouble tuning rack toms especially 8-12 inch toms. They either ring out far too much or don’t ring out nearly enough. There’s a very distinct sweet spot somewhere in between, but with the reso head still being tighter than batter.
Great video, great production, great playing and engineering, and all around very helpful and well made. Cheers from Texas!
Just installed new Evans G2 Reso heads a few days ago (including batters) and YES! That WAS the problem. Can't stress that enough! Your channel is extremely helpful! Puts a smile on my face every time you guys upload a new episode!
Nice! Rocking the two-ply reso? That's definitely a fun sound. Glad you're enjoying the series! -Ben
@@SoundsLikeADrum Yes, the two-ply version! Fiddled around with a mix today and was shocked how little plugins I've manage to use to get an awesome sounding mix. It's true when they say your source has to be proper in tune, hehe. And I've completely dissembled the whole kit, cleaned and polished every screw and nut, got new tension rods (Zebra Drums Thread Locks), applied white lithium grease and installed new skins. All thanks from what I've learned here on your channel! Thanks a bunch Ben and Cody! Rock on!
Fantastic info. Thank you.
Awesome job you included just the right amount of topics didn't get too deep into either one. I restore drum kits and other musical antiquities, knowing the correct tuning, the correct head, and the correct differential between heads cannot be overstated. iT. I tune Tom's top to bottom with either the native shell tone or more often call to the Post. I like mine the same if I want a shorter tone I use studio rings, this gives me both options without having to re tune. I played around with reso heads on snares only to return to standard Remo res. You articulated extremely intelligent and spot on correct information. Cheers
Great video as always! 👌
So important for some people to hear this, even myself🔥
Another excellent video. This might make me boring, but I always tune the batters and resonant heads to the same note. I like hearing that single note, with a rich fundamental, rather than any kind of harmony from each drum. I’ve experimented, but over the last 30 years or so of playing double-headed toms (I used Rotos when I was young), I just always come back to the same thing. To me, that’s also the maximum resonance you can get-which is generally what I’m after.
Thank you. Btw your snare sounds amazing