@@hachi9404 three creatures and one sorcery spell. And two are etb-effects and one a die trigger. The sorcery spell is a loot spell with additional amass. So they are at all not really an option for this deck. Maybe for a budget deck or a flicker deck but I think there a many better options available.
Requiem angel also makes this go infinite, it makes a cat and a dog for each time you would do a spirit, and if you sac a cat/dog, you would get a spirit, but gets cat/dog instead
Also spoiled in this set that's nuts with this commander in these colors is Bootlegger's Stash. It's an artifact that says "Lands you control have 'tap, create a treasure token'"
with these replacement effects If you're supposed to exile it at the end of turn, the replacing tokens will be exiled anyway. Have a look at Chatterfang rulings for reference. "The additional Squirrel tokens won't have any abilities the other tokens were created with. Anything else specified in the effect creating the token (such as tapped, attacking, “That token gains haste,” or “Exile that token at end of combat”) applies to both the original tokens and the Squirrels."
@@themtglounge5345 they're both the same kind of replacement "intesd of creating X, create Y" I the case of chatterfang Y=X+Squirrels, with Jinnie Y=Cats or Dogs. Same rules apply.
Well, we, as humans, live on a plane where we have humanoid apes, and apes... So I guess Jetmir feels the same about cats as we feel about chimpanzees 🤷🏻♂️
unless im mistaken "mirror march" would still exile the tokens, even if they are replaced with cats, or dogs, cause the commander is not creating them, its just changing the type, so the exile trigger still exists on the token, just like it does on esix. if im wrong, would like to konw, cause i play my esix deck alot, and have played with those rules.
I think if the card itself says "at the end of turn, exile these tokens", then yes, you would exile them. However, if the card says "create tokens that have 'at the end of turn, exile this token'", like Rite of the Raging Storm, then you would keep the result around, since you're replacing this token by a cat or dog and the resulting cat/dog does not have "at the end of turn, exile this token"
Because of how the replacement effect works, Martial Coup will make a bunch of cats with haste, and they will stick around after the board wipe so you can easily kill one or more players out of nowhere if Jinnie is in play.
Anddddd that does it. I wasn't going to build anything from this set (was doing Lathril instead), but I'mm a build her instead. I had a Rin and Seri deck I regretted taking apart, and a spare cradle lying around. JUST bought DS and PL too. It's like the universe is sending me a sign.
So I'm absolutely picturing a deck with this, Rin and Seri, and Jetmir all included. But which of the three would make the best commander and which ones should go in the 99?
I currently have a Rin and Seri deck. I see Rin and Seri being the best commander for this deck because I like to use the activated ability to deal damage and it is nice to have that ability in the command zone. I think the decks could be just as fun or strong no matter who you decide to put in the command zone. You could even rotate them around.
Rin and Seri would probably still be the better commander, this card improves upon them because you can replace the tokens they make with these slightly stronger ones, and Jetmir buffs your creatures when you have a lot of them. And since it's a token deck you'd already want to run at least some of the doublers like Parallel Lives, Anointed Procession, etc. Could be wrong about that but just my personal thoughts about it.
yeah im like 99% sure any replacement effect to a NUMBER of tokens doesnt negate any delayed exiled effect because Jinnie Fay doesn't make any tokens at all, she just gives a replacement effect for token generators. Any other effect from the token generator remains.
Jinnie Fay is cool with an old-school commander: Hazezon Tamar. Unlike the sand tokens, the cats won't get exiled. Could be cool with blink shenanigans.
Does the Mirror March combo actually work? The exile of Mirror March isn't a part of the abilities of the token but a delayed trigger of the enchantment. If Mirror March said "the token has "Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step" it would work because the exile would be a part of the created token's abilities. But I could be wrong.
You’ll eat removal way too fast on the fountain or the commander before it gets rolling. In commander this isn’t good unless it’s unchecked the whole game. Despite what Mitch tells you
Lol, the whole thing with cat-people and regular cats makes me think about Goofy and Pluto. Like….they’re both dogs…..but Pluto’s a pet? How do things work in the Mickey Mouse world?
@@anubis44r googling how replacement effects work I partially agree. Partially only because technically they aren't triggers and wouldn't use the stack. Though as replacement effects they'd operate similarly.
Omg yes I hate using the humanoid cats, I feel like it's so awkward lol. But then again, I guess if someone had a bunch of pet guard monkeys I wouldn't think the same 😅😂
Old Gnawbone would be a better Olivia's Attendants with this commander as it looks at damage any creature you control deals and gives you the versatility of chosing treasure tokens or creatures depending on what you need as it triggers for each creature dealing damage. Deal 20 damage to a player? Make 5 treasures and 15 creatures.
It makes their tokens stronger and allows you to choose whether you want cats or dogs for purposes of leaning into one effect or the other. Doesn't go infinite though
I'm surprised I didn't see Academy Manufactor mentioned. 3 creatures per one clue/food/treasure or 2 creatures and a treasure if you want to have a cake and eat it too.
Yea that would get kinda nuts. You'd have to build up the swarm first though and people would see what you were trying to do. Really powerful. Highly predictable.
I love my doggy deck, AKA team Red Rocket. The pack leader card, yooooo people hate that card. Half never even look at what it does, so when i attack on turn 5 or 6 and we've both spent that time gathering the troops, they are surprised as shit when my 4 to 7 dogs who are a minimal 3/3, most of the time they end up as minimum of 5/4's due to another cards battle trigger and aaaaaaaaa shitty shitty i forgetty. A +1+! enchantment based on choosing card type. But my opponent then blocks appropriately, half of the time we will see them target 2 or 3 of my dogs with double defenders in hopes of killing them, but then it happens..... my dogs don't die but their guys all died, their boards wiped.... "wtf happened?!!?!!? my board should be wiped but he should only have 1 dog left...."dun dun dunnnnn fuckin pack leader. Yah, this is not a super duper aggro deck but a win by turn 4 or 5 happens like 70% of the time. Its only major and consistent weakness is the even faster aggro goblin decks.
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Interesting thought: this means you can *always* get a new creature when you Amass, because you don't actually have to get the zombie army.
sadly I think amas cards are only in grixis, so there is only a handful of red amas cards, and maybe only like 2 that are good
@@hachi9404 three creatures and one sorcery spell.
And two are etb-effects and one a die trigger.
The sorcery spell is a loot spell with additional amass.
So they are at all not really an option for this deck.
Maybe for a budget deck or a flicker deck but I think there a many better options available.
Requiem angel also makes this go infinite, it makes a cat and a dog for each time you would do a spirit, and if you sac a cat/dog, you would get a spirit, but gets cat/dog instead
*zombie orcs....maybe😅
Yeah this is going to be a commander I build... I loved Rin and Seri... but have that in 99 instead and run Jinnie... is going to be fun
My brother loves his Rin and Seri deck. If I pull this, I'm tossing it his way
My thoughts exactly. Potentially one shooting people with cats and dogs sounds like a blast to me!
Agreed, going straight into the 99 of my Rin and Seri deck!
I’m just going to make them separate decks. Make Jinnie a full on token Ramp but keep Rin and Seri (and Kaheera) as they are.
Same going in the 99 and moving a little to cat only
Also spoiled in this set that's nuts with this commander in these colors is Bootlegger's Stash. It's an artifact that says "Lands you control have 'tap, create a treasure token'"
with these replacement effects If you're supposed to exile it at the end of turn, the replacing tokens will be exiled anyway.
Have a look at Chatterfang rulings for reference.
"The additional Squirrel tokens won't have any abilities the other tokens were created with. Anything else specified in the effect creating the token (such as tapped, attacking, “That token gains haste,” or “Exile that token at end of combat”) applies to both the original tokens and the Squirrels."
its making a different token instead its not an additional token
@@themtglounge5345 they're both the same kind of replacement "intesd of creating X, create Y" I the case of chatterfang Y=X+Squirrels, with Jinnie Y=Cats or Dogs. Same rules apply.
Also means that Martial Coup makes the hasty cats you make stick around to immediately swing with on an empty board
I absolutely love the idea of turning goblins into cute cats and dogs. X'D
mitch how on earth do you make these so fast and so high in quality
Clones
@@TheCommandersQuarters and doubling season ;)
He cloned Eddie with Progenitor Mimic 10 rounds ago!
Well, we, as humans, live on a plane where we have humanoid apes, and apes... So I guess Jetmir feels the same about cats as we feel about chimpanzees 🤷🏻♂️
"I attack with a dog."
"I give my plant first strike and block to kill your German Shepherd."
Now this does put a smile on my face and goes great with academy manufacturer
I'm really loving the hybrid mana costs for commanders. It makes these multi colored cards a little easier to cast.
best thing is you can play her as a moni green commander or a red green or a white green commander meaning you have way more options to build around
unless im mistaken "mirror march" would still exile the tokens, even if they are replaced with cats, or dogs, cause the commander is not creating them, its just changing the type, so the exile trigger still exists on the token, just like it does on esix. if im wrong, would like to konw, cause i play my esix deck alot, and have played with those rules.
I think if the card itself says "at the end of turn, exile these tokens", then yes, you would exile them. However, if the card says "create tokens that have 'at the end of turn, exile this token'", like Rite of the Raging Storm, then you would keep the result around, since you're replacing this token by a cat or dog and the resulting cat/dog does not have "at the end of turn, exile this token"
Because of how the replacement effect works, Martial Coup will make a bunch of cats with haste, and they will stick around after the board wipe so you can easily kill one or more players out of nowhere if Jinnie is in play.
The question now becomes: Do I use her or Jetmir as my new Naya token commander? Decisions, decisions.
Presence of Gond+Midnight Guard=♾🐈
Anddddd that does it. I wasn't going to build anything from this set (was doing Lathril instead), but I'mm a build her instead. I had a Rin and Seri deck I regretted taking apart, and a spare cradle lying around. JUST bought DS and PL too. It's like the universe is sending me a sign.
Spare Cradle? damn, thats crazy!
First thing I thought of is my Marath deck. 1 to cast 2/2 or 3/1 tokens lol
Awesome now my deck can remind me of my house lol. I'm gonna look forward to this card, Storm Herd is gonna be good with this.
I feel like a cat to a humanoid cat would be like monkeys to us.
Oh! This is what Black Market Tychoon is for.
This rin and seri support is looking great :)
So I'm absolutely picturing a deck with this, Rin and Seri, and Jetmir all included. But which of the three would make the best commander and which ones should go in the 99?
I currently have a Rin and Seri deck. I see Rin and Seri being the best commander for this deck because I like to use the activated ability to deal damage and it is nice to have that ability in the command zone. I think the decks could be just as fun or strong no matter who you decide to put in the command zone. You could even rotate them around.
Rin and Seri would probably still be the better commander, this card improves upon them because you can replace the tokens they make with these slightly stronger ones, and Jetmir buffs your creatures when you have a lot of them. And since it's a token deck you'd already want to run at least some of the doublers like Parallel Lives, Anointed Procession, etc. Could be wrong about that but just my personal thoughts about it.
Yup same! I am buying half a box of streets and brought Rin and Seri last week. Stoked as!!
@@heckingpancakes but the colours? Doesn't this lady need to be commander if you only want to run Naya?
@@heckingpancakes nvm thought the half green was blue! Bloody brilliant!
totally doing Jetmir Cat Tribal now
Eddie, thanks for "Vigilancies"
Search the Premises seems like a good fit too
My future Mayhem Diva deck keeps getting some pretty sweet stuff. Already locked in my Cabaretti pre-release.
yeah im like 99% sure any replacement effect to a NUMBER of tokens doesnt negate any delayed exiled effect because Jinnie Fay doesn't make any tokens at all, she just gives a replacement effect for token generators. Any other effect from the token generator remains.
Jinnie Fay is cool with an old-school commander: Hazezon Tamar. Unlike the sand tokens, the cats won't get exiled. Could be cool with blink shenanigans.
Does the Mirror March combo actually work? The exile of Mirror March isn't a part of the abilities of the token but a delayed trigger of the enchantment. If Mirror March said "the token has "Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step" it would work because the exile would be a part of the created token's abilities. But I could be wrong.
same, thats how i have played my esix deck, so hopeing someone tells me im wrong, so i can have even more power.
Dockside can now make creatures also thopter assembly would be nice
Those hasty cats can be amazing with Halo Fountain.
You’ll eat removal way too fast on the fountain or the commander before it gets rolling. In commander this isn’t good unless it’s unchecked the whole game. Despite what Mitch tells you
@@notabotm9923 Removal and interaction exists, great argument
Since it only says token, can you create cats and dogs from food tokens for example
yes you can
DANG IT EDDIE!
Would doubling season trigger twice because jinnie is a second token creation “effect” ?
Grumgully the generous also an infine token maker?
Lol, the whole thing with cat-people and regular cats makes me think about Goofy and Pluto. Like….they’re both dogs…..but Pluto’s a pet? How do things work in the Mickey Mouse world?
Could you make say a treasure token into a car/dog then turn that creature token into an angel with divine visitation?
Since you choose which trigger resolves first, I would say yes.
I know a pirate goblin who likes your idea ;)
@@anubis44r googling how replacement effects work I partially agree. Partially only because technically they aren't triggers and wouldn't use the stack. Though as replacement effects they'd operate similarly.
such a strange card cat decks and dog decks will love this since its so limited as it is.
Saw this and got catdog theme stuck in head.🙂
Xth, where X is the number of comments before mine, plus 1.
3th? Good try but doesn't quite work...
Actually pretty clever.
Omg yes I hate using the humanoid cats, I feel like it's so awkward lol. But then again, I guess if someone had a bunch of pet guard monkeys I wouldn't think the same 😅😂
Old Gnawbone would be a better Olivia's Attendants with this commander as it looks at damage any creature you control deals and gives you the versatility of chosing treasure tokens or creatures depending on what you need as it triggers for each creature dealing damage.
Deal 20 damage to a player? Make 5 treasures and 15 creatures.
Thanks for this video. A great looking card.
Pump & Mercy killing.
Add Rhys the Redeemed for cat/dog doubling
So, you're saying Olivia's Attendants gains Catlink? Like Earl of Squirrel has Squirrellink?
I love Naya personally but this being cats and dogs... can finally get my Gf into it. Also doesn't this combo with Rin and Seri?
No, Ren and Seri is a cast trigger, not ETB
It makes their tokens stronger and allows you to choose whether you want cats or dogs for purposes of leaning into one effect or the other. Doesn't go infinite though
No mention of Ren and Seri?
I'm surprised I didn't see Academy Manufactor mentioned. 3 creatures per one clue/food/treasure or 2 creatures and a treasure if you want to have a cake and eat it too.
I wish that it was also a cat or some other type that Kaheera as a companion would allow. At least it’s good in the 99.
Scute Swarm would be nuts with this card!
Yea that would get kinda nuts. You'd have to build up the swarm first though and people would see what you were trying to do. Really powerful. Highly predictable.
This is a dope card, but I kinda wish naya would get more than creature token strategies
I love my doggy deck, AKA team Red Rocket.
The pack leader card, yooooo people hate that card. Half never even look at what it does, so when i attack on turn 5 or 6 and we've both spent that time gathering the troops, they are surprised as shit when my 4 to 7 dogs who are a minimal 3/3, most of the time they end up as minimum of 5/4's due to another cards battle trigger and aaaaaaaaa shitty shitty i forgetty. A +1+! enchantment based on choosing card type. But my opponent then blocks appropriately, half of the time we will see them target 2 or 3 of my dogs with double defenders in hopes of killing them, but then it happens..... my dogs don't die but their guys all died, their boards wiped.... "wtf happened?!!?!!? my board should be wiped but he should only have 1 dog left...."dun dun dunnnnn fuckin pack leader.
Yah, this is not a super duper aggro deck but a win by turn 4 or 5 happens like 70% of the time. Its only major and consistent weakness is the even faster aggro goblin decks.
Imagine tapping Rin and Seri after getting a dockside worth of dogs...
Search the Premises
Name of deck: Who let the dogs out
Card shop owner: get out!
Friends: WHO WHO WHO WHO
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Midnight Guard and Presence of Gond for infinite hasty catss
Ivy Denizen + Scurry Oak would be more dangerous
Requiem angel and this commander can infinite with ashanod's and altar of dementia
holy christ what they did!?!
Damit Eddie!!!
Suprise you didn't mention tendershot dryad
Man, as I try to leave magic it pulls me back in.
Really……. THIS brought you back in?!
Rabble rousing, unnatural growth
rin and seri eating good this q
nice
Gnawbones says hi
Hello, Old Gnawbone? I would like to ask a favor of you.
Also, Rin and Seri, Inseparable.
Scute swarm could be deadly with this
I love this one! I want to get my poor Rin and Seri on the next level. The deck ist somehow lacking.
Ngl kinda disappointed in cabaretti :/
Rin and seri? run this as an elf deck until the last second and then BAM dozens of hasty cats
Give those cats or dogs double strike and this deck becomes disgusting.
First
Most disappointing elf I’ve ever seen. Want my Temur legendary elf printed already…. This card is ass
For elf tribal yeah it sucks, but turning all your 1/1s to 2/2s with haste is pretty awesome
damn, sucks that this elf doesn't become a 100/100 on turn 5, terrible card
[Laughs in Emmara Tandris]
Why were you expecting a temur commander in a set with shards of alara colors?
Is every single elf ever printed now contractually obligated to fit into elf tribal?