C5 Corvette Dyno Testing (A&A Supercharged/3 Pulls at Moh's Performance, MN)
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- How much horsepower does the Toys4Life C5 Corvette make? I have been asked too many times to count. It is finally time to dyno test the A&A Vortech Supercharged C5 Corvette at Moh's Performance in Blaine, MN to solve the mystery.
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Awesome video & thank you for how much valuable information you put out regarding C5's. How many pounds of boost for the 580hp run?
Thank you, that's pretty close to 13psi at 6500 RPM.
@@Toys4Life incredible. I have a buddy with a beautifully built and tuned 350Z, and it does similar horsepower number but not until 20+ psi. Pretty beautiful and underrated platform in the C5, and the fact they can produce so much power at relatively low boost is so awesome. Fun to think you could run 5-8psi kind of indefinitely and be in the mid/high 400’s.
@@Toys4Life Do you have a forum or area for your subscribers to chat? I think your audience is very mature and technically inclined - which isn’t easy to find in the car world, especially for a 17yo like myself. I’m always looking for more people to absorb knowledge from and if you set up/have a forum, Discord group, or the like I would enthusiastically join 😁 I can find the big online corvette forums a bit overwhelming sometimes and appreciate tighter knit communities of similarly minded people…
That's a good idea but, so far I don't. It's a fair bit of work doing the UA-cam stuff and holding down my full-time job and other interests but I very much appreciate your enthusiasm sir!
@@Toys4Life I bet!! I’m not sure how active I could realistically be either. I’m off at college early and am excited when I have more than 30 minutes of free time on any given day. I guess it’s a good thing that a project car is waiting for now 😂
2:30 gotta appreciate the rotary engine piston being used as a paper weight. I have owned at least a dozen 1979 RX7s. I got that all out of my system. lol
I gotta say as a 2001 baby that C5s have always been one of my favorite cars and I may even get one as my first car (under my name lol) once I’m a few years into a career, this channel is probably the best C5 guide I’ve seen
Thank you sir!
Awsome 👍🏼 long tube headers will bring you over the 600whp . Headers allows you to get the heat out of your engine faster. Great video! I'm running longtube and 3.6 pulley and making 651whp for a year now and no issues.
NICE! Stock Cam & heads? Do you still have your cats?
@@Toys4Life stock cam stock heads , it's a z06. It's all your videos that tempted me to do this lol
@@Toys4Life no cats. Lg longtubes and magnaflow cat back. The magnaflow catback really quiets things down. I'll probably do the bi pass mod to make it a little louder.
I was told headers are bad for the motor? That they actually make the motor too hot. No? Was thinking about getting one and doing an NA build.
@@Audfile I don't think they're bad for the motor, but they do create more underhood temperature heat and if everything isn't properly heat shielded you could hurt something else like wires, starter, even ac lines if they're touching.
Amperage draw equals power loss IE: 6 interior bulbs sear belt warning light door ajar indicator on door/ key chime comes to about 30 amps check alt belt and see the increased tension. Your c5 horn draws 20-30 amps alone with a 20-30 second recovery time at 1200 rpms so next time engage seat belt behind the seat and shut the door as every little bit helps , ps it's bade enough the front parking lights are on with a 8-10 amp draw ....
Your comment seems to be meant for something different than this DYNO video??
Eeking out HP, most over look, in most cases the minute power loss due to amperage draw , but in some cases can equal 1 HP depends on what's drawing and how much your alternator is working to produce the electricity to compensate.. In the old days we installed alternator defeat switches for the 1130 feet.. buy the way best c5 information videos on the net I have learned so much from these and are very entertaining at the same time. I have a 2004 LS1 base with 16 K like new ..
4:00 First Pull Result (566.79 HP @ 6,150 RPM and 532.93 lb-ft @ 4,920 RPM)
5:22 Second Pull Result (583.23 HP @ 6,340 RPM and 555.63 lb-ft @ 4,860 RPM)
7:01 Third Pull Result (585.49 HP @ 6,310 RPM and 559.21 lb-ft @ 5,020 RPM)
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Wow, you can really tell when the boost kicks in on the dyno... Thats insane
Fantastic results! So basically a stock C5 LS1 with the addition of the A&A Corvette supercharger and your own custom tuning and your making almost 600whp! Absolutely impressive!! 👍🏼
Thank you!
WOW, absolutely getting the A&A Vortech now.
I didn't know this place was 5 minutes from my house haha...good to know. I wanna take my corvette here when I get one in a month or two.
If you go by there, tell Moh I sent you!
Wow that is very impressive. Thanks for another great video Ken.
Great videos!
Just bought the v3-Ti for my 03 Z06. Car is already cammed with headers and exhaust. RPM level 5 trans and Level 3 Diff. Hoping to make 600rwhp once the kit is installed. I’ll be on 93 pump only.
I am curious if you can make that on 93. Keep me informed!
Hoping to run into you someday. Minnesota boy here with a c5, glad I found your channel I enjoy your content! Hoping to go supercharged next season and go to MOs!
I struggle to trust any shop with my Corvette, I've been ripped off too many times or had bad service. And this makes me trust their shop. I used to go to DRM but sense Doug no longer runs the shop it's for sure not the same place anymore.
Yep, you have to find a good doctor, dentist (he has a drill for gods sake) and mechanic! Amen!
Wow 😲, thts pretty impressive for a stock LS1! Especially with stock cam an no headers! 💪🚗💨💨💨👏🤙😎
Always enjoy your videos. I am from Minnesota and have a C5 and a 3800 Fiero. Great runs.
Your c5's idle sounds bad ass! What have you done to your 3800 SC Fiero?
@@Toys4Life not much motor wise. Went to 3.4 pulley, and minor tweaks. Most the time was spent on the body and suspension.
Clearly we think alike, separated at birth?
Nice. I live a few miles down road from Rock Falls on ZZ
Very cool!
Solid numbers
That is one generous dyno ill tell you what! Making 585 to the tire from a 380 motor hp car is nuts from a sc. thats over 250 to the tire gain all on stock parts except springs
Keep in mind I'm also running e33 and 80 lb injectors. Boost is pretty close to adding another atmosphere. Also, motor trend did a piece several years back where they went to five different dyno places in the same day and got five different numbers. They're definitely is some variation between Dino brands, Dino models, and other factors. It made more with STD smoothing, so I changed mine to the more common SAE which is lower. Always check that as well.
Ken you continue to out due yourself, Love the Dyno tuning, Before you started any pulls I thought maybe 600 whp. You do a great job w the HP tuner system, engine is plenty safe. One thing I did not see was a boost curve?
Thanks Dave! Good eye on the boost curve. I have a 1bar Map sensor so as you see the map just stops at 1 atmosphere. I should look into swapping in a 2 bar map sensor so I can log that as well. I do record the boost gage once in a while to make sure everything is in order (12-13psi usually) but a 2bar map sensor would be best!
@@Toys4Life Well I knew you kept an eye on the boost, that is a wise choice for a stock short block W/O ring gap
I have driven prob 4,000 miles since owning my c5, yesterday was first day I really stepped on it. I did get alot of pinging and im running 91.
You should have it put on a scanner and see what's going on. Make sure it really is knock, see if you're fueling Is lean or anything else stands out.
@@Toys4Life I will try that I really dont ever push the gas hard, would like to tune out the skip shift also, that gets old.
I still think you should run drag radials on your C5 yesterday I just sold my Nittos NTO5s great & sticky & now I run the Mickey Thompson’s ET streets 305/35/18s making way for my super charger in the spring yes sir great video 💯🇺🇸🎃✌️
I agree but I know I'll get greedy and start breaking diff output shafts (as I try to get that 60 ft time down from 2 seconds to 1.7) so I just have to draw the line somewhere and so far I've been fortunate.
That’s good 2 know!
I live in mn also and I have a c5
Last nice C5 weekend coming up!
Nice your c5 made good power too 2001 we have the same year 💯
Thanks, mine's a 2003 though.
@@Toys4Life yea that’s impressive with stock cam & no headers I agree when my supercharger is done I wonder my numbers as I have a 614 lift comp cam yea it’s pretty rowdy & dynatech headers on mine , I went the other way heads & cam 1st !
@Mark Crisp I would really like to see the dyno graph and compare little middle and high RPMs when you're done!
Nice HP. Sorry if I missed it, but how many lbs of boost?
Do you think the price of a new supercharger kit is worth it? I'd like to get a used kit someday, but I worry that it wont be 100% complete or parts will be worn out or something.
I bought mine four years ago I think and I have zero regrets, it's been reliable and the power difference is Major. If you're not going to keep the car very long, then no. If I was going to buy used, I would call A&A Corvette and see if they have a used kit. Those guys have earned my trust.
Another great video 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
I plan to swap an LSX into my '01 Z06 and add a supercharger.
Just get an LSx454
I may have missed it, is your tune scaled? Mine runs off the bottom row of the timing table. It hits 1.4 g/s air mass somewhere around 4500 wide open. I've got mine capped at 12 degrees, so I lose out on some midrange. But with 592hp and 520tq I can't be too mad, it pulls strong.
My tune is not scaled. I just checked the scan and I also hit the 1.4 g/s row in the 585rwhp pull I did. Timing advance at 5600 RPMS was 18 degrees. You have more mods than me if you are making 592hp with only 12 degrees of timing. Pulls like a beast on the street - as you know from your numbers for sure!
I will sound like a broken record. Those are fantastic numbers for a basically stock LS1. Nice to see shops still doing rentals. I hope to do something similar with my car in the near future, but I refuse to pay 600 dollars for a car that is already street tuned. Just need a little flexibility.
Yeah if you lived here, you can get in there get strapped up and get your business done in an hour for about $190 bucks on a weekday evening. Curious, where do the $600 figure come from and what would that include in your area?
@@Toys4Life In my area I would say an average dyno tune will start around 400. Cam swap tunes will be 550 to 600. Boost only is around 500. Boost plus heavily modded engine can be well over 600. The problem and I've experienced it first hand on multiple cars is that they rarely fully tune the car in a given 2 or 3 hour session. So you just paid a metric ton of money for a half assed job that may or may not run and drive well. I've got a few leads on some shops around here that are less than 200 miles away that will hopefully be willing to work with me some where in between a rental and a full dyno tune. In a perfect world my car would still benefit greatly from getting some slow speed parking lot manners dialed in on a loaded dyno.
580-ish rwhp! Man, that's awesome, it means about 670-680 at the crank, like a C8 Z06. Congratulations! Love your vids👍👍👍.
Thank you, sir!
Very impressive.
Thank you! Cheers!
What the heck! how did I miss this notification, 4 months ago?
I'm not sure, but that was a super fun night, lot of work to put together and efficiently record- but tons of fun,!
Dang, now wishing I hadn’t had #7 leave the band and got a supercharger!
What happened to cause your number 7 to separate? Any decisive evidence of a cause?
@@Toys4Life Nothing defenitive, just a top piece of the piston, about 1/8th of the piston wanted to run away. Was full throttle and made a loud bang near redline. Head was fine other than some scuffing that was buffed out and reused.
Very nice numbers with only a blower. Makes me think about getting a C5 instead of a C6. Lol. Do you think the engine and transmission will hold up? I was reading on some corvette forums that many like to stay around 575 RWHP to be safe on a stock engine.
Thank you! If you get a C5 go with a 01 or newer. Stronger rod bolts and the manual has a stronger torque tube. No on knows for sure where that durability line is with a stock bottom end engine. After reviewing all the threads I could find, I settled on right where I am at - which is around the 575RWHP you mentioned. I
Is this kit California legal as of 2024? Thinking of pulling the trigger but I don’t want to worry about smog
From A&A website. We also offer CARB emissions-compliant systems for the C5 Corvette. PLEASE CALL or EMAIL for emission compliance specifics.
got to get the fiero in there!
I want to!
What kind of fuel were you running at the time of this video ? And are you gonna go full E85?
E33. I'm getting full ignition timing without any knock on e33 so it is good enough. Regular 91 octane was not good enough to get full ignition timing.
Did you change you map sensor for 2 bar or 3 bar tuning?
I did not. Why? Before buying the kit I read extensively every thread I could find about going with a 2 bar MAP and modifying the tune vs ravaging the PE in the stock tune. A&A has had good luck with the 2nd method. I decided to try method 2 and if it wasn't meeting my needs - or- if I found my AFR was not staying where I wanted it at WOT - THEN I would go to a 2 bar tune. I keep a very close eye on AFR's and over the past 5 years it has always been very close to the AFR I desired at WOT. So, I see no reason to do so with my setup - although I may do it anyways so that I can log boost.
What kind of power do you think you would make with 9 psi? I ordered a kit yesterday and that is what I am shooting for
What mods do you have already? You're going to love your supercharger kit.
These numbers are with only bolting the supercharger on and a tune right? No supporting mods??
LS6 valve springs, injectors big enough to squirt e33 fuel. Otherwise bone stock.
@@Toys4Life yea definitely planned on upgrading injectors and pump, also harmonic balancer, I guess if I'm gonna do the springs I'll go ahead and add a cam
Sweet numbers! What A&A trim do you have?
Thank you. V3si
Cool!
how is your supercharger so quiet no whistling?
Oh it whistles, it must have been the audio. But she definitely whistles and I like it!
Are you running the 3.6 or the 3.8 pulley
3.6
Are you completely stock exhaust?
Yes - except I have a Z06 mid-pipe setup that uses different main cats and got rid of the pup cats. That is worth at least 10hp (probably more) over the stock 2003 C5 midpipe.
@@Toys4Life you should try and find the stock Z06 cat back, little more noise but still stock appearing, obviously headers would render large gains
@@CPAJayhawk I thought about that, but since the stock exhaust weighs quite a bit more and is behind the rear tires I believe it gives me a bit more traction and I'll take any additional traction I can get.
ooooooh, Minnesota dont'chya know, eh?
YAhhhhhh
Ever going to do any cosmetic mods to the vette?
I have a couple mainly cosmetic mods in mind for this winter - but nothing drastic. Subtle is more my taste like the door sill plates and the polished aluminum coil mounts. If you have suggestions - I am always looking for ideas that match my tastes! Thank you!!
Is that 18° of timing I’m seeing?
I believe so.
@@Toys4Life I see you’re E so that makes sense. Also what pulley size are you using to get 15 pounds? I have the 3.6 and I’m seeing 8 pounds. But have a stock crank pulley.
Is it the si or ti trim?
Si
What size pulley did you end up using, 3.8
3.6 3.4 ?
3.6
@@Toys4Life wondering if you have added a torque converter or just the 342 gears?!
Now the c5 has aged with these newer cars
I destroyed my buddy’s a&a supercharged 04 c5 from a roll
With my e85 only 10 speed mustang
Wow, ur awesome 😎
Those new mustangs are quick,but 3k pound car @600hp. Maybe he needed some drag radials and a driver mod. Unless you guys were rolling out to 180mph. A dig race would be cool to see.
Your buddy can't drive or has the wrong tire setup
Well, we definitely have the wrong tires for drag racing. But we knew that going into it.
Totally awesome dude, my 21 SS will beat my 03 c5 too but who cares? Nothing quite drives and feels like a c5.
Is that to the wheels or crank?
To the wheels.
@@Toys4Life what other mods do you have?
@@torchred99 ls6 springs. 80 lb injectors and e33 fuel, Kenny Bell bap.
mine at wheels at 5650 rpms was 548 rwhp and troque 522@@Toys4Life
very impressive..
Thank you!
Pulley down 😆
I am at a 3.6 with the V3si Vortech. I think my biggest restriction at this point is the cam - but 3.4 pulley is tempting.
@@Toys4Life I have the same blower and pulley.. 3.4 is tempting 🤔 😆
I thought these engines were not great after a certain amount of hp, at least for stock
LS1 engines handle extra power quite well. IMO 550 RWHP and under is pretty safe. Keep in mind, mechanical issues or and engine experiencing knock can take out even a fully forged engine pretty quick. Key is to scan for knock and keep everything in excellent condition.
Where is your place and state
MN - Mohs Dyno is in Blaine MN