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  • @CheekLife
    @CheekLife 13 років тому +1

    I've really been getting greater understanding of what the biblical tithe is rather than hearing it taught what it means by man's wisdom. Your vid is very descriptive and is confirmation of what I've been reading. I'll definitely be sharing your vid!!

  • @subjectGL3
    @subjectGL3 12 років тому +3

    God provided for me before I ever tithed, and then I got sucked into it for about 10 years, then the LORD showed me the truth, and I stopped it, and I am still very blessed. Thanks for this video! The truth sets us free (even from doctrinal error used for fear of being cursed!)

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  12 років тому +7

    The amount of money I gave to the church was ridiculous. When you think about it, it's like paying for a golf club membership or some other vip club - you're giving away that much money per year.
    The sad thing is, in my old Fellowship, they would never do anything humanitarian with the money. It was always used to send out couples to start new churches on their own, with half of them failing after a few years because they never grow. What a waste of money.

    • @baetheistbaetheist2593
      @baetheistbaetheist2593 5 років тому

      I got told tithe was Gods money and offering is how you get blessings blah blah blah... i gave 20% of my money before taxes and only made $9.00 dollars an hour!! Did this for 10 years! What a waste!

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  10 років тому

    +Christian Vanguard - The verse I quoted in the video was Deut 13:26, which says "wine or strong drink" in almost every bible translation. The word translated as "strong drink" is Hebrew 7941 shekar: "intoxicating drink, strong drink".

  • @frankielee77
    @frankielee77 12 років тому +1

    Well spoken and written.Unless one wants to rebel against Truths,and against correct analogy,and stick to false doctrines of tithes,fear of losing funds from contributors,disobey God ...should be their cup of tea.

  • @DemonChildCC
    @DemonChildCC 6 років тому +3

    I don't believe in tithing.. if you ask me, the offering basket is for donations and donations are at will, shouldn't be forced.. I see a problem when the pastor is living better than the congregation.. if the pastor wants money, he can go out and get a real job just like the rest of us..

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  13 років тому

    @csnowutube Hi, I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying I quoted the wrong verse?

  • @frankielee77
    @frankielee77 12 років тому +2

    I have been in the Charismatics world for many decades,and I have seen many has been begging abd begging for monies and monies.i don't see begging as wrong,the Word didn't disaaprove of begging either,as they lack Faith and need to beg thier members for funds,for Church building,for Missions.Name me one Pentecostal Church don't beg for money,or any Church in our world today.

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10 12 років тому +1

    This is another sore spot with me. Until she couldn't afford it anymore, my mother gave 10% of her monthly income to my uncle as a "tithe". (Yeah, the same uncle who made her get rid of all my cool toys.) This contributed to her going into debt. My uncle never hesitated to take the tithe money, but when my mother needed financial help, he turned a cold shoulder.

    • @DodgaOfficial
      @DodgaOfficial Рік тому +2

      My old church, the door Christian fellowship, an offshoot of the potters house, is notorious for telling people to "give til it hurts", they encourage tithing pretax, and preach that not tithing is robbing God and that a curse will come upon your finances. My parents tithed, and gave to world evangelism, totalling something like 30% of their pre tax income. Needless to say, no car for me when I turned 16, and no money for college. People who have given to the church for decades and then fall on hard times and ask the church for financial help are turned away, even though the church brings in millions. If you're going through financial hardship, it's because God's trying to teach you something or you fucked up and sinned or missed a tithe payment. The only solution is to give even more and maybe then God will remove the curse from your finances. It's fucked up

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  12 років тому +1

    "we are to follow the Lord's walk, and one of it is tithing"
    When did Jesus tithe?
    Which part of my video do you believe I have misinterpreted?

  • @Skull10
    @Skull10 12 років тому +9

    Organized religion is big business. Plain and simple.

    • @DemonChildCC
      @DemonChildCC 6 років тому

      And religion is why I believe churches should be taxed.. a donation is give what you can, most churches demand the 10% and that's not a donation.. as is, how many pastors actually have real jobs? None of the pastors I've ever known have had a real job outside of being a pastor..

    • @securityguru3842
      @securityguru3842 5 років тому

      Some are. And if hey are taxed. The government will have to take over helping those in need. Because churches will have to cut back. Think about it. Your taxes will have to go up. Rethink churches being tax.

    • @securityguru3842
      @securityguru3842 5 років тому

      Rated R Sports Cards & Games you going to pay more in taxes? Pastors job is to be a pastor. Read the Bible. They should always be available to their flock.

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  12 років тому +2

    I've lived in a third world country where church members tithed, yet they still had to beg for financial assistance. Oh sure, now and again they'd get 'blessed' with a little food or money, but that's part of the ups and downs of their life. It's disgusting to think God is "blessing them" by only throwing them a few crumbs in their poverty. Whether you tithe or not makes absolutely no difference. You just convince yourself that any blessing you happen to get must be a result of tithing.

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  13 років тому

    @csnowutube no worries, thanks for watching!

  • @Ga5524
    @Ga5524 12 років тому +5

    God wants a cheerful giver.

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  12 років тому

    Malachi is talking to Israelites, and more specifically, only Levites. It's the Levites that God was threatening with a curse. Please check out part two of my tithing video for more info.

  • @kehindebalogun6050
    @kehindebalogun6050 6 років тому

    I like this! It's so simple and concise. Bless your good heart!

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  12 років тому

    There were far worse pictures I could've used, but I tried to have some decency.
    But either way, it makes you sick, doesn't it? If we lived in Old Testament times, we'd have to endure the sights of animal sacrifice day in and day out, because that's what God demanded. How can we be offended at what is holy to God?

  • @drdecker1
    @drdecker1 12 років тому

    You know a lot of individuals forget the fact that one of the things Jesus spoke on was hell. He spoke about it quite often. Do you think that this is a blessing or a curse? Even when the rich man was in hell, he looked up and said to Abraham go and warn others because of the torment. Pay attention to what he says.We forget often that we ought to honor God, and what he says for us to do. In fact in the gospels Jesus emphasized was towatd obedience, the significance of this, and why.

  • @frankielee77
    @frankielee77 12 років тому

    How can we all fulfil all the Law requirements,don't we know of the Royal Law?Jesus fulfil the Laws for us,do we need to fulfil it again?What part of our Faith walk you cannot understand?Apo Paul is a spiritual man,and his instructions cannot be that hard to interpret,on givings,is it not?Must you add Tithings on his behalf?

  • @csnowutube
    @csnowutube 13 років тому

    @Discern4 My bad. I wasn't reading far enough into it. I was wrong. Sincere apologizes.

  • @csnowutube
    @csnowutube 13 років тому

    3:37 - Shows NLT mentioning alcohol. Bible gateway has NLT Deut 14:23 .... This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds.
    Your point is still valid of course. Thanks for the video.

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  12 років тому

    "Yes, lukewarm Christians do not give their tithes, and they remain cursed of disobedience. "
    What curse? Do you have any scriptural evidence?

    • @securityguru3842
      @securityguru3842 5 років тому

      Discern4 I am a believer who knows the word. I give what I want. Why. Because I find joy in giving. As God loves a cheerful giver. Tithing was for the Israelites. We are released from the old law.

  • @jamesa.eugene2808
    @jamesa.eugene2808 8 років тому +1

    If you believe the bible then you have to realize The whole bible is about the Israelite people. The law was given to the Israelite people and Jesus? ??? Came to save the Israelite people. Christians must be part of the house and commonwealth of Israel. Galatians 3 last two verse and Ephesians 2:11 down

  • @Revelation21-4-
    @Revelation21-4- 9 років тому +1

    Tithing was meant to help other belivers in the church who was less well of.I believe not necesarrily giving 10% to the church but this principal ought to still apply in giving 10% to the poor or charity.

    • @Discern4
      @Discern4  9 років тому +2

      Jesusprincess That's fine, but it would just be your personal opinion, rather than something that can be supported with scripture.

    • @Revelation21-4-
      @Revelation21-4- 9 років тому

      Discern4
      its good to help the poor,i dont have much to give myself but i give what i can give

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  12 років тому +1

    I don't think you watched the video. Why don't Jews tithe today?

  • @Bob859
    @Bob859 7 років тому

    Whether or not you believe in tithing, watch out for preachers who say "Give money to my ministry and God will give money to you". There is no greater conflict of interest.

  • @thetimeisnigh3115
    @thetimeisnigh3115 6 років тому +1

    You are my favorite atheist Bible teacher.

  • @frankielee77
    @frankielee77 12 років тому

    I agree we ought to support the works of God,and offerings willingly.Cult groups always say that unles you Tithes,or else curse would come upon you.They have the audacity of deceits to demand people to pay up,nullifying the works of the Cross,just like that....Why must these people believe in Greediness,and quote Tithes Law which was done away also?...Tithes'' doctrines WAS NEVER stated as the Statements of Faith in Christendom.Tell me which denomination did?Even AOG don't state that!Anglican?

  • @wilders636
    @wilders636 12 років тому +1

    My pastor always said to tithe and I will be blessed.....yea right

  • @ladyincamo
    @ladyincamo 13 років тому

    the non levites were only required to give 10% of the yearly increase every third year. the tithe was ment for the Feast and was to be eaten at this feast. the people give whatever portion that they deamed necessary to the poor, widows, strangers, etc. and then gave the remaining part to the levites. the Levites then gave 10% to the the high priests who actually served in the temple (the decendents of Aaron) and always were the tithe to be shared witht he poor and needy and EATEN at this feast.

  • @frankielee77
    @frankielee77 12 років тому

    How is it our Faith and our dilligence,and our Love for others doesn't get us to financial blessings,except by Tithings?You mean to tell me the Weighty matters has become inferior,whereas the lesser(Tithes) should be more weighty?...I hope my Charismatic brethren grows up,and Ministers too.

  • @moyojollyblight4248
    @moyojollyblight4248 5 років тому

    thanks God to reveals this to you many lack of understandings of the scriptures ooooo thanks somuch you make me who iam .

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  13 років тому

    @ladyincamo thanks!

  • @frankielee77
    @frankielee77 12 років тому

    The Gospel is always free,and no pay back is necessary.Paul made his doctrines abundantly clear,unless you don't grasp what he had written.Obedience and Charity from our hearts are required of us,that is understood.Invoking the necessities of Tithes,which was put away by our Lord Jesus,and instutute it as mandatory,even cursing those who did not pay Tithes,that is blasphemy.

  • @lilimax555
    @lilimax555 13 років тому

    Interesting, I haven't heard this subject discussed before. Thanks.

  • @drdecker1
    @drdecker1 12 років тому +1

    Think about this for a second and you will see the truth. God teaches his children the way of blessing. When this happens the kingdom becomes more blessed. Its like making bread, the more you make the more you can eat. Not by witholding your money and no one is blessed. The other thought is this, God does not need to analyze anything because he knows everything. Kind of like explaining to an expert mechanic the 4 cycles of car engine. Something he already knows. No analyzing needed.

  • @Discern4
    @Discern4  13 років тому

    @BigE7 Thanks a lot!

  • @anthonyjohn9000
    @anthonyjohn9000 5 років тому

    Brother you are great, YOUR TITLE NAME. THE GREATEST RESEARCHER. GOOD AND HARD EFFORT, GOOD, FOR WE COME OUT OF DARKNESS INTO LIGHT. BROTHER YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ABOUT THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, MANY HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS, WHICH IS REALITY, INWARDNESS. PLEASE FOR GOD SAKE OR FOR HUMAN SAKE MAKE MORE VIDEOS ON THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS CHRIST. ABOUT MORE THAN 25 LAKH PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED BY GOD, AND VERY LESS BY THE DEVIL. I LIKED IT, SOMETHING THAT DRIVES ONE OUT OF CONFUSION. BECAUSE OF BIBLE CONFUSION. YOUR VIDEOS ARE WORTH, THAT CAN SAVE ALL OF US FROM ALL CONFUSION IN THE BIBLE.

  • @frankielee77
    @frankielee77 12 років тому

    We cannot add in Circumcision and other Laws,so you think you can add in Tithes?Paul taught free will offerings ,out of a cheerful heart,not grudgingly,why must you insist like the Cults who want to control human minds and freedom,distort the Word for profit?We ought to support God Works,that is unquestionable,but we must be honest in speaking the Truths,and not because we are greedy,we demand others to support us,and by our coersion.We are under Grace,and if you think that by Tithing it is err

  • @malcolmduanetaylor
    @malcolmduanetaylor 10 років тому

    Isaiah 45:5-6
    5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
    6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
    John 14:6
    Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
    Romans 10:9-10
    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    1 John 4:4
    4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you, than he that is in the world.
    2 Corinthians 4:1-6
    Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
    2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
    5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
    6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
    The I Am that I Am, Father, Son, Holy Spirit is the one true living God! There is no other God. If you want to be in right standing with God you come by Christ! There is no other way. The only way to not be deceived is to be in Christ! Because once you are in Christ God gives you His Spirit! Which is the Holy Spirit! He is with you, and in you. He guards your heart, and mind. He leads, and guides you. So no matter what the deception, where it comes from, or who it comes from you will not be decieved. Question is are you in Christ? If you are praise God! We are brothers, and sisters in Christ, and you are in my prayers. If not the devil has blinded your mind, and I am praying God opens the eyes of your understanding to the truth. Which is Jesus! Nothing else matters.

  • @promaster1351
    @promaster1351 7 років тому

    theres not ONE verse in the bible that's says anyone ever tithed on monetary wages and tithing was ALWAYS food products...tithing is not for today but freewill giving as one decides to in his heart what amount if any he does give...he can donate time and talent and not money and God accepts that just fine....if those who wanna tithe then you have screwed God out of 13.5 % cause there were 3 tithes and at 23.5% in the OT....now you wanna keep this law and it OT requirements at 23.5%..... still wanna follow such teachings at this price????.....

  • @djjireh
    @djjireh 13 років тому

    wow. amazing

  • @drdecker1
    @drdecker1 12 років тому

    One of the things that the devil wants to do is to discredit God's Church. You see in the bible its says God will never see his children beg. Evidence of the blessing. The devil cannot stand to see or hear about how they are being blessed, so he tells others that is not what we should be doing that is a lie. Since the first time I became a Christian and honored God by paying my tithe. I have always been blessed. I have always had money, food on the table and much more. You can't beat that!

  • @drdecker1
    @drdecker1 12 років тому

    Your answer to that is in the bible. God does not have to prove anything to anyone. He doesn't bow down to creation because he is the creator. Let this sink, in and you will really see the answer scientifically, with evidence.

  • @authenticadvocate
    @authenticadvocate 12 років тому

    It is CLEARLY written in the Holy Scriptures: the book of Malachi is firm of it, not mentioning the laws of Moses.... Jesus the Lord God Saviour, fulfill the law, he never abolished it. Carnality keeps man from surrendering to God; for the Lord taught us spiritual.... If any follower is spiritual, he will fulfill all of the law in for discipline, but not for salvation.

  • @authenticadvocate
    @authenticadvocate 12 років тому

    we are to follow the Lord's walk, and one of it is tithing; he even gave tax to Ceasar, how much more to himself from believers, for the church's life.... the Word condems, not me, I am only a servant....

    • @harveyabel1354
      @harveyabel1354 8 років тому

      Christ didn't tithe to Caeser, he commanded that we render unto Caeser
      what belongs to Caeser (taxes...boo, hiss). AND unto God, the things that
      are God's - which to me, includes tithing, for which I believe God has richly
      blessed me.

    • @AKMDUB
      @AKMDUB 6 років тому

      Jesus asked the question, that question being "Whose image and inscriptions is on the coin"? The answer was Caesar "Well give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and Give to God the things that are God's, meaning you are made in his image and his inscription (word/Jesus) is on your heart, so Give yourself, not 10% of your income to God.

  • @frankielee77
    @frankielee77 12 років тому

    As far as scriptures are concern,under New Testament,any honest Christian should understand and know that Tithings was done way,like Sabbath,animals sacrifice,observance of Feasts and many Laws of Moses.We should obey what Paul preach and teach in NT,and that is free will offerings,give without grudgingly,and it is time we must have courage to speak the truths,only Cults taught mandatory Tithings.

  • @oldfart5937
    @oldfart5937 8 років тому +1

    God created all of heaven and earth ( supposedly ) but he just can't seem to handle money.

    • @phuhque6724
      @phuhque6724 6 років тому

      HAHAHA you know a George Carlin joke???!! WOW so cultured and original, thanks

  • @authenticadvocate
    @authenticadvocate 12 років тому

    Yes, lukewarm Christians do not give their tithes, and they remain cursed of disobedience. That is also why they shall be spud out by the LORD.

  • @wrightspiano
    @wrightspiano 10 років тому

    I have had more financial blessings since I stopped tithing 25 years ago. However, a personal testimony of blessing is no grounds for a belief. You don't know what is right or wrong just because someone gives anecdotal stories of what happens one way or the other. You know what is right or wrong by searching the scriptures.

  • @authenticadvocate
    @authenticadvocate 12 років тому

    I can talk with spiritual people regarding the Holy Scriptures; but with carnal, it is foolishness to them: therefore these are like oil and water....

  • @authenticadvocate
    @authenticadvocate 12 років тому

    Read the Book of MALACHI; and behold the Lord Jesus himself said, that he came to fulfill the law and not to abolish. God bless you. Carnality keeps a Christian from surrendering his tithes, partly though, is of the greed of the church leaders....

  • @marymcreynolds8355
    @marymcreynolds8355 5 років тому

    In fact, you don't have to do a thing. Grace, you know. Besides, God owns the cattle on a thousand hills.

    • @securityguru3842
      @securityguru3842 5 років тому

      Mary McReynolds true. But God loves when a believer is cheerful about giving. Why wouldn’t we? He gave all to us.

  • @malcolmduanetaylor
    @malcolmduanetaylor 10 років тому

    John 3:16-17
    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    John 6:28-29
    28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
    29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
    John 6:38-40
    38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
    39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
    40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
    Romans 10:9-10
    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    1 Corinthians 15:1-4
    15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
    1 John 5:11-13
    11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
    12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
    13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
    This is how to be saved!

  • @drdecker1
    @drdecker1 12 років тому +1

    See this is the part some individuals don't get. God says it, you either believe it or not. I have been a Christian for over 17 years.. Have always been blessed since my tithing. God says he will never see his children beg. I can also testify to many others who are receiving the blessing. If not this would make God to be a liar. That is very dangerous grounds to walk on. I can't answer for you, and I can only speak for me and my family. We are really blessed!

  • @sabin1166
    @sabin1166 7 років тому

    I owe I owe I owe, so off to church, I go?

  • @ZombifyIt
    @ZombifyIt 12 років тому

    First give scientific evidence that your god exists, then we'll talk scripture.

  • @Number0neSon
    @Number0neSon 12 років тому

    2 Levites dislike this video.

  • @authenticadvocate
    @authenticadvocate 12 років тому

    Ye are all baby Christians able to digest only milk; but I love you all in the Master.... All Christians, again I say ALL Christians, are Israelites. God always talk to man, which are all Israelites: some are of election, the rest are of heart.... study more.... God bless ye all....