I like the kinetic splitter, because it takes advantage of the whole cycle to gain energy for the next split. Which makes is quick and efficient. Not so often we happen to see under the cover the mechanics! Thanks Roger!
Great job Roger explaining how the kinetic splitter works and showing under the hood Looks like you’ve got it all ready for Splitter Wars. Hopefully my tractor will start or I’ll be on the outside looking in. Take care brother.
I'll be there to watch the splitter wars 2020. Nice splitter, Roger. Thanks for explaining how to maintain the machine and for showing us the internal parts. I like seeing that to see what technology used in this type equipment. The machine seems fairly simple to maintain. Couple side notes: 1. I likes da T-shirt 😀 2. what truck are you and dad hiding on the other side of the tractor? Yep, I saw the roof top and it got my attention real fast (smile). Enjoyed a full-watch and have a fine week. 👍🏽
Good morning Sir ! I rely like your wood splitter for various factors ( speed, maintenance ease, fuel economy, size of the wood splitter, etc ) That is a very good maintenance video !!! Very Good demonstration on how nice the blade is very well sharpen !!! LOL Can't wait to see you your video Sir !!! Keep up the good work's !!! That old pick up behind you nice tractor is looking very nice, sorry if i'm too curious LOL Cheers and stay safe and sound !!
Nice walk through Roger - thanks. Got a few inches of snow yesterday here...LOL. And we are in for few more days of snow in the next week. I might be wearing my winter coat when I film my video. LOL. Take care!
How's she goin'? There is no doubt that a kinetic splitter is way faster. That's an interesting point you raise about the fuel consumption. I had not thought about that. Now I know we are supposed to keep our hands and fingers clear when splitting but, for me at least, the kinetic splitters are so quick, they tend to scare me a little. Maybe since it takes such a conscious effort to activate the rack to split that would make it safe and maybe the more I used one the more comfortable I would get, but they are scary to me. But hey, I'm just an old guy in the woods!!! Thanks for the demo of the innards of your splitter Roger and good luck in the splitter wars, even though it's not a competition!!! LOL Take care!!!
This one has a safety. It takes two hands to drop the rack. Not too long ago I did away with the safety, which I don't recommend. The pusher on this splitter is small/ short. That reduces the pinch zone. It looks fast, but after you split a while, it seems slow.
@@ronbarfield5615 Each piece has to be split 6 times. Adam/ Hometown acres is using a 6 way wedge. I predict he will be the fastest. Joe/ From Steel to wood, is putting a bigger pump on his box wedge machine. I'm not sure of the size of the pump. I think he has a good chance at being second fastest. I know Dan/ back 40 firewood is using a 4 way wedge. I could see him or me being 3rd fastest.
Years ago I saw a video of a homemade kinetic splitter. The guy said where he sourced the parts. I can't find it. You may find something you can use in a square baler. Also look up agirfab parts for a split second splitter and see how much the flywheels are.
On mine the flexible steel that holds the bearing-wheel under the spring on the arm broke. It’s flexing all the time so just goes eventually. Used some band saw blade to make a new one.
My splitter is not working the way it should, at times it makes a lot of noise when splitting, because it doesn't fully engage the Rack with the Pinion, is there a adjustment that fully pushes the rack down to the pinion, It worked perfectly until it just started doing the poping, and downs push wood. Any Ideas as to the Rack Adjustment.
The 2 nuts on top of the handle are for the adjustment of the handle, which engages the rack. If that is not adjusted properly the rack may not engage.
Great explanation of how the splitter works and how to maintain it. I like your shirt too pretty ironic since you are anything but lazy! Thanks for sharing, DC
It seemed like you tore the paper with the wedge instead of cutting it but that’s fine. I like a good sharp wedge too but I’ve never had to sharpen any of mine yet since they don’t seem to become dull and I’ve split many cords with them.
Tractor Tech I did learn a few things from your video so thanks for that! I’d like to get a kinetic splitter someday to replace my slow 13 second 37 splitter but the equivalent kinetic models cost around $2400 so we will see... if I wasn’t going to be building a large pole shed soon it’d be bought lol. BTW- I was looking at a big capacity kinetic splitter on the Home Depot site and they say it has a 1 second cycle time, do you think that’s possible? I’d think it’s more like 3 seconds which is plenty fast yet. Edit: After looking at some other kinetic splitters I think they mean the splitter has a 1 second ram speed with a likely 3 second cycle speed. 🤔
@@hermancm I saw one advertised with a one second cycle. It said 1/2 second out and 1/2 second return. The operator needs more time than that to get another log. Someone should put a four-way. knife on a kinetic splitter. A two-way knife is too slow for commercial use. A business could have a processor and two types of splitters for the various categories of material.
The problem with kinetic splitters I feel like if you get one tough piece of wood in there it will grind the teeth of the shaft down that the sprocket connects too. Cool design and would totally buy one if they were 300 bucks cheaper than the hydraulic ones but they are around the same price so I’d rather just buy a hydraulic one
It kicks out of gear if it hits something hard. I have over 100 hours, and 100 cords through this one. It takes an expensive hydraulic splitter to keep up with this splitter. I would buy a cheaper kinetic splitter.
@@TractorTech Another guy on another channel has a Supersplit, buys 1/2 dozen bearings at a time to replace the little one that runs on top of the rail under the rack.
There is a horsepowered one here somewhere. I guess with human power it would need a much larger flywheel setup to compensate for the low power of a human.
Look at the pusher, there should be 2 springs attached to it under the beam, one on each side. If they are attached remove the 6 bolts that hold the pusher to the beam to be sure a peice of wood is not under the pusher.
The kinetic uses less fuel because it does not idle as much and it is a smaller engine. It is working almost all of the time to build up the kinetic energy. The hydraulic engine is mostly idle until it gets that big load on it for one half of a second. When it is running idle, it is still burning fuel but not getting any work done. Understanding this difference is the number one thing to understanding why kinetics works so well to split. An axe is a kinetic splitter. Most of the time the axe is building up energy and then it slows down suddenly.
The engine spins the flywheels. Once the flywheels are up to speed the engine is doing next to nothing. Very rarely when I am splitting do I hear it hit the governor. Most of the time it will go straight through a piece of wood like nothing. This is what makes it so fuel efficient.
@@TractorTech Apparently the engine has a light load on it as it gently increases the flywheel RPM. Splitting the wood takes energy from the flywheel, as much as is needed. The wood slows the flywheel the way wood slows an axe. The engine puts energy into the flywheel and the wood takes the energy out of the flywheel. It is technically correct to call the flywheel a battery, because it stores energy. An electrical automotive battery can give you a blast of power and then it will gradually recharge. There are laws in physics called thermodynamics relating to energy transfer. All machines have energy lost due to friction, but It is not clear to me which machine has more friction. Much energy on both is for the heat in the exhaust. The hydraulic has a big engine for a big short blast of power while the kinetic has a small engine for a gentle continuous power. If the flywheels are going full speed in time for the next split, that is soon enough. I would expect an engine on a kinetic to last longer because it has closer to the proper load on it. An engine man may have a better idea on that than myself. If the engine is not getting enough load on it, I would say to slow it down.
I like the kinetic splitter, because it takes advantage of the whole cycle to gain energy for the next split. Which makes is quick and efficient. Not so often we happen to see under the cover the mechanics! Thanks Roger!
Now it is time for you and Dave to build one😀
@@TractorTech LOL I agree !!! CHeers !!!
Great job Roger explaining how the kinetic splitter works and showing under the hood Looks like you’ve got it all ready for Splitter Wars. Hopefully my tractor will start or I’ll be on the outside looking in. Take care brother.
It is about ready. I need to tighten the belts and sharpen the wedge. I think your tractor will start😀 Have a good week.
I'll be there to watch the splitter wars 2020. Nice splitter, Roger. Thanks for explaining how to maintain the machine and for showing us the internal parts. I like seeing that to see what technology used in this type equipment. The machine seems fairly simple to maintain. Couple side notes: 1. I likes da T-shirt 😀 2. what truck are you and dad hiding on the other side of the tractor? Yep, I saw the roof top and it got my attention real fast (smile). Enjoyed a full-watch and have a fine week. 👍🏽
Thanks about the shirt. That is a customers truck. It is a 48 or 49 chevy.
Another informative video, thanks!
Thanks Roger for a very useful explanation. Tim
Thanks for watching!
These are great splitters, i got mine about 10 yrs ago an still going strong. 9 hp honda engine with gear reduction
Yes they are. The hydraulic guys don't know how good they are and what they will split.
Good morning Sir ! I rely like your wood splitter for various factors ( speed, maintenance ease, fuel economy, size of the wood splitter, etc ) That is a very good maintenance video !!! Very Good demonstration on how nice the blade is very well sharpen !!! LOL Can't wait to see you your video Sir !!! Keep up the good work's !!! That old pick up behind you nice tractor is looking very nice, sorry if i'm too curious LOL Cheers and stay safe and sound !!
Thanks, about my splitter. The truck is a customers.
Looking good Rodger get her in tip top shape for the demonstration looking forward to the splitter war videos.👍🏻
Thanks. I am going to be sure everything is in tip top shape.
Nice walk through Roger - thanks. Got a few inches of snow yesterday here...LOL. And we are in for few more days of snow in the next week. I might be wearing my winter coat when I film my video. LOL. Take care!
Thanks!
How's she goin'? There is no doubt that a kinetic splitter is way faster. That's an interesting point you raise about the fuel consumption. I had not thought about that. Now I know we are supposed to keep our hands and fingers clear when splitting but, for me at least, the kinetic splitters are so quick, they tend to scare me a little. Maybe since it takes such a conscious effort to activate the rack to split that would make it safe and maybe the more I used one the more comfortable I would get, but they are scary to me. But hey, I'm just an old guy in the woods!!! Thanks for the demo of the innards of your splitter Roger and good luck in the splitter wars, even though it's not a competition!!! LOL Take care!!!
This one has a safety. It takes two hands to drop the rack. Not too long ago I did away with the safety, which I don't recommend. The pusher on this splitter is small/ short. That reduces the pinch zone. It looks fast, but after you split a while, it seems slow.
Fascinating. I have never seen one of these before.
Thanks for watching!
Great review and explanation
Thanks!
Good explanation on how these work.
Thanks!
Good explanation! Take care🚜🪵👍🏼🇺🇸
Thanks 👍 Have a good week!
Thanx i am going to make one now.
Good video. How do you feel about the kinetic going upside the big hydraulic?
Thanks. Do you mean how do I think I am going to do in splitter wars, or what do I think about a kinetic vs big hydraulic?
@@TractorTech Vegas has the kinetic coming in at +15 how do you like your chances? Lol
@@ronbarfield5615 Each piece has to be split 6 times. Adam/ Hometown acres is using a 6 way wedge. I predict he will be the fastest. Joe/ From Steel to wood, is putting a bigger pump on his box wedge machine. I'm not sure of the size of the pump. I think he has a good chance at being second fastest. I know Dan/ back 40 firewood is using a 4 way wedge. I could see him or me being 3rd fastest.
Have been looking for a flywheel like that. Any suggestions where to find one?
Years ago I saw a video of a homemade kinetic splitter. The guy said where he sourced the parts. I can't find it. You may find something you can use in a square baler. Also look up agirfab parts for a split second splitter and see how much the flywheels are.
On mine the flexible steel that holds the bearing-wheel under the spring on the arm broke. It’s flexing all the time so just goes eventually. Used some band saw blade to make a new one.
I'll have to look at mine closely but, I believe it is okay.
What is the perfect tension for the springs on the push bar.
I'm not sure if there is a specification. I'd have to look into the manual.
What do you use to sharpen the wedge?
I use a file. I may make a video of that before splitter wars.
Hi, what diameter and tickhness has the flywheels?
My splitter is not working the way it should, at times it makes a lot of noise when splitting, because it doesn't fully engage the Rack with the Pinion, is there a adjustment that fully pushes the rack down to the pinion, It worked perfectly until it just started doing the poping, and downs push wood. Any Ideas as to the Rack Adjustment.
The 2 nuts on top of the handle are for the adjustment of the handle, which engages the rack. If that is not adjusted properly the rack may not engage.
Great explanation of how the splitter works and how to maintain it. I like your shirt too pretty ironic since you are anything but lazy!
Thanks for sharing,
DC
Thanks for watching! Thanks about the shirt.
It seemed like you tore the paper with the wedge instead of cutting it but that’s fine. I like a good sharp wedge too but I’ve never had to sharpen any of mine yet since they don’t seem to become dull and I’ve split many cords with them.
I've split in the neighborhood of 100 cords with it.
Tractor Tech I did learn a few things from your video so thanks for that! I’d like to get a kinetic splitter someday to replace my slow 13 second 37 splitter but the equivalent kinetic models cost around $2400 so we will see... if I wasn’t going to be building a large pole shed soon it’d be bought lol. BTW- I was looking at a big capacity kinetic splitter on the Home Depot site and they say it has a 1 second cycle time, do you think that’s possible? I’d think it’s more like 3 seconds which is plenty fast yet.
Edit: After looking at some other kinetic splitters I think they mean the splitter has a 1 second ram speed with a likely 3 second cycle speed. 🤔
@@hermancm I saw one advertised with a one second cycle. It said 1/2 second out and 1/2 second return. The operator needs more time than that to get another log.
Someone should put a four-way. knife on a kinetic splitter. A two-way knife is too slow for commercial use. A business could have a processor and two types of splitters for the various categories of material.
The problem with kinetic splitters I feel like if you get one tough piece of wood in there it will grind the teeth of the shaft down that the sprocket connects too. Cool design and would totally buy one if they were 300 bucks cheaper than the hydraulic ones but they are around the same price so I’d rather just buy a hydraulic one
It kicks out of gear if it hits something hard. I have over 100 hours, and 100 cords through this one. It takes an expensive hydraulic splitter to keep up with this splitter. I would buy a cheaper kinetic splitter.
@@TractorTech Thanks for the advice. We need guidance to choose wisely among the various splitters.
Didn't comment on maintaining five bearings on front of the rack. Did I miss that?
I have over 100 hours on it and the bearings have not been touched.
@@TractorTech Another guy on another channel has a Supersplit, buys 1/2 dozen bearings at a time to replace the little one that runs on top of the rail under the rack.
@@jakebredthauer5100 I heard they are hard on bearings. The bearings in this splitter are upgraded in comparison to a super split.
@@TractorTech What make and model do you have? Oregon and SplitSecond quit. DR may be in second place now.
@@jakebredthauer5100 I have a split second.
do they make man electric version ?
They are no longer in business, but they never made an electric version.
I would love to see if it could be human powered
There is a horsepowered one here somewhere. I guess with human power it would need a much larger flywheel setup to compensate for the low power of a human.
My splitter won’t return, trying to figure out the issue? Anyone else have this problem?
Look at the pusher, there should be 2 springs attached to it under the beam, one on each side. If they are attached remove the 6 bolts that hold the pusher to the beam to be sure a peice of wood is not under the pusher.
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The kinetic uses less fuel because it does not idle as much and it is a smaller engine. It is working almost all of the time to build up the kinetic energy. The hydraulic engine is mostly idle until it gets that big load on it for one half of a second. When it is running idle, it is still burning fuel but not getting any work done. Understanding this difference is the number one thing to understanding why kinetics works so well to split.
An axe is a kinetic splitter. Most of the time the axe is building up energy and then it slows down suddenly.
The engine spins the flywheels. Once the flywheels are up to speed the engine is doing next to nothing. Very rarely when I am splitting do I hear it hit the governor. Most of the time it will go straight through a piece of wood like nothing. This is what makes it so fuel efficient.
@@TractorTech Apparently the engine has a light load on it as it gently increases the flywheel RPM. Splitting the wood takes energy from the flywheel, as much as is needed. The wood slows the flywheel the way wood slows an axe.
The engine puts energy into the flywheel and the wood takes the energy out of the flywheel. It is technically correct to call the flywheel a battery, because it stores energy. An electrical automotive battery can give you a blast of power and then it will gradually recharge.
There are laws in physics called thermodynamics relating to energy transfer. All machines have energy lost due to friction, but It is not clear to me which machine has more friction. Much energy on both is for the heat in the exhaust.
The hydraulic has a big engine for a big short blast of power while the kinetic has a small engine for a gentle continuous power. If the flywheels are going full speed in time for the next split, that is soon enough.
I would expect an engine on a kinetic to last longer because it has closer to the proper load on it. An engine man may have a better idea on that than myself. If the engine is not getting enough load on it, I would say to slow it down.
I don't know what to do with my hands