You are correct, Doug100f! This isn't quite fair so we now demonstrate using a pneumatic nailer. TimberLOK beats this method as well! Also, a lot less hardware used to accomplish a code compliant connection. We'll be adding a comparison video using this method in the future. Thanks for your comment.
As a professional builder with several decades of experience I know that installing hurricane clips can be time-consuming and painful for fingers, and that if you want to do it fast you must use a special nail gun. I am also a huge fan of timber locks and ledger locks from fasten Master. However, I know that Simpson has done a lot of lab testing for windshear and lift forces on the hurricane clip over the span of decades. They have made some improvements from the H2.5 Over the years but it is still in regular use in the industry. I like the idea of being able to use one or two Timberloch screws instead of hurricane clips but I personally know inspectors who are skeptical and will not pass a Timberloch screw over a hurricane tie. Arguing with an inspector is a sure fire way to cause problems. I would need to see a video of fasten master screws holding a given force equal to that of the H2.5 before I would argue with an inspector.
IF and only IF the threading on that TimberLOK was like .5 inches WIDE and needed to be drilled in with an impact driver .. Then MAYBE it could meet or exceed a hurricane tie ... My shed has 2 hurricane Ties per truss, one on each side. Sure it may be overkill, but it cant hurt
My question is: In real world conditions, which would fail first? The straps have an advantage in that the nails hold at a 90 degree angle. The screws have an advantage in that they’ll actually get installed because time and effort to do so is greatly reduced. If speed is essential (say, Hurricane Dorian will be hitting within a day☺️) the screws are the obvious choice. If the ultimate protection is desired, would there be an advantage to adding the straps after doing the screws?
Thanks for your question! This depends on which clip you are using and the species of lumber being used. Design values for this connection can be found on the TimberLOK Truss to Rafter Top Plate Connection technical document on our website: www.fastenmaster.com/product-details/timberlok-heavy-duty-wood-screw.html
And Simpson has just come out with their version of this screw, colored orange and with a torx head. Box of 50 for about $44 at Home Depot, special order.
@@hjc4604 its been around since at-least 2019; but yes both are great products; though the simpson product is superior IMHO since it has a fully thread shank with very course threading; which to me is the reason why the SST screw has more allowable load, and the head of the screw is minimal, so in some installations it disappears / doesn’t cause finish work difficulties. However, if a fully threaded screw with a flanged head came out…probably would be the best product in pull through and uplift loads.
I will take the Tie,more stability, better shear force resistance as long as the top plates studs and wall are tie to the foundation I will have better chances against hurricanes or high winds plus will hand nail all the plywood roof or screw and ad a washer to every screw if metal.
Love the timberLok products. I don't trust my ability to be 100% straight when drilling or for the 2x4 1.5" lumber to not split if I am off a little to a side.
Thanks for your inquiry. Yes, one 6" TimberLOK is code approved for attaching a rafter or truss to top plate. Please see the TimberLOK product page on our website to learn more or to download a technical bulletin.
There are a lot of crap products that are code approved. I fel like two ring shank nails driven in in an X would have more strength than this single screw
@@MAGAMAN c’mon man! ;-) Yes this one screw provides higher lateral and uplift resistance than the Simpson H2.A clip. Are you suggesting toe nailing with ring shank nails, of unknown gauge, provide higher uplift resistance than a rough thread 6” wood screw? Please rethink your ass-u-mptions
Could these be driven through a beam, upward diagonally, to fasten floor joists that are sitting on a multi-ply beam, instead of toenailing the joists down onto it?
Yes, TimberLOKs can be driven through the beam and into a floor joist. We recommend driving the screw 3” down from the top of the beam and drive the screws at a 22-30 degree angle into the joist.
He is not screwing through the stud. It is going through the top plate into rafter. The stud in video just happens to be in line, but it doesn't matter
Answer: Wall framing and floor framing that is aligned with the trusses is necessary to be load bearing. Example- Take a look at the basement floor framing, which makes up the floor above. Then the trusses will be running in line (front to back or side to side) with the floor beneath. This is platform framing and most if not all builders construct this way now (I Inspect them). Balloon framing was the previous way. Simply put, to properly transfer the load of the structure, it cannot cross back and forth.
The rafter is cut short and so are the wall studs😢 y u do the hammer guy like that! You known if he had the wall he could have done it faster but i get it
The only disadvantage with the tie is that the bottom part is too short and one ends nailing at the very top part of the second plate when you have two( 2 )2 x 4s , the manufactures should have noticed this a long time ago and redesigned the bottom part of the tie. I always question why a structural engineers will approve this tie to the market because of what I just explain above. I always use a longer nail and more angle to get some good meat out of the bottom plate. The engineer who approve this tie to the market has never had a carpenter pouch on his waist
Hi Patricia, Our Technical Services rep has a few questions before answering your question. Please call 800.518.3569 and ask for FastenMaster technical support. Rob will be able to assist. Thank you for your interest!
BS comparison. Power drill vs. Hand nailing? Dumb! We install hurricane clips with a pneumatic palm nailer; MUCH faster, meets codes, much stronger protection against windstorm.
U should not share your opinions, especially with such arrogance; because you are completely wrong: the load values for these screws are much higher than the H2.A clips
@FastenMaster there has been a lot of activity on your video ;-) I think @UA-cam and @MAGA MAN made excellent points: feelings and beliefs are superior to actual scientifically arrived at facts; and Im no Dr Fauci supporter. So, I guess FastenMaster, you all need to make videos showing how the screw out performs the SST clip.
To be fair now, If the tie install is with a HAND operated nailer , shouldn't the Timberloc be done with a HAND screwdriver.
You are correct, Doug100f! This isn't quite fair so we now demonstrate using a pneumatic nailer. TimberLOK beats this method as well! Also, a lot less hardware used to accomplish a code compliant connection. We'll be adding a comparison video using this method in the future. Thanks for your comment.
As a professional builder with several decades of experience I know that installing hurricane clips can be time-consuming and painful for fingers, and that if you want to do it fast you must use a special nail gun. I am also a huge fan of timber locks and ledger locks from fasten Master. However, I know that Simpson has done a lot of lab testing for windshear and lift forces on the hurricane clip over the span of decades. They have made some improvements from the H2.5 Over the years but it is still in regular use in the industry. I like the idea of being able to use one or two Timberloch screws instead of hurricane clips but I personally know inspectors who are skeptical and will not pass a Timberloch screw over a hurricane tie. Arguing with an inspector is a sure fire way to cause problems. I would need to see a video of fasten master screws holding a given force equal to that of the H2.5 before I would argue with an inspector.
IF and only IF the threading on that TimberLOK was like .5 inches WIDE and needed to be drilled in with an impact driver .. Then MAYBE it could meet or exceed a hurricane tie ...
My shed has 2 hurricane Ties per truss, one on each side. Sure it may be overkill, but it cant hurt
@@ACommenterOnUA-cam I would have recommended that you should have used 3 hurricane ties per truss. Maybe you can go back and squeeze in that 3rd tie.
@@FastenMasterPro What documents (proof) can I offer the building inspector that these are "code compliant" ?
The timberlok didnt pass code for inspection and had to ad the straps to each rafter so it would pass in my county for my outside deck with roof.
I Fail to see how one screw is going to have the strength of ten nails driven perpendicular. Has Florida accepted these as code for 2020?
Florida has far different codes than everywhere else for hurricanes
@@joshl90 Yep, aint gonna fly in Florida with just a 10 inch "pocket screw" instead of strap or clip.
@@fettaffenautomotive wrong. Simpson’s truss screw, which is just like this timber lok, is code approved in Florida
My question is: In real world conditions, which would fail first? The straps have an advantage in that the nails hold at a 90 degree angle. The screws have an advantage in that they’ll actually get installed because time and effort to do so is greatly reduced. If speed is essential (say, Hurricane Dorian will be hitting within a day☺️) the screws are the obvious choice. If the ultimate protection is desired, would there be an advantage to adding the straps after doing the screws?
Thanks for your question! This depends on which clip you are using and the species of lumber being used. Design values for this connection can be found on the TimberLOK Truss to Rafter Top Plate Connection technical document on our website: www.fastenmaster.com/product-details/timberlok-heavy-duty-wood-screw.html
And Simpson has just come out with their version of this screw, colored orange and with a torx head. Box of 50 for about $44 at Home Depot, special order.
@@hjc4604 its been around since at-least 2019; but yes both are great products; though the simpson product is superior IMHO since it has a fully thread shank with very course threading; which to me is the reason why the SST screw has more allowable load, and the head of the screw is minimal, so in some installations it disappears / doesn’t cause finish work difficulties. However, if a fully threaded screw with a flanged head came out…probably would be the best product in pull through and uplift loads.
@@zefrum3 Then the part of the screw that is in the truss would pull out first, I would think.
H2.5 installation with a more realistic "stub nose" nail gun would've been a fairer comparison.
I'm not convinced, guys.
You mean a $400 PPN gun.
@@celyl yes
I will take the Tie,more stability, better shear force resistance as long as the top plates studs and wall are tie to the foundation I will have better chances against hurricanes or high winds plus will hand nail all the plywood roof or screw and ad a washer to every screw if metal.
You are wrong. I know this because I looked at the load tables for the two components.
Love the timberLok products. I don't trust my ability to be 100% straight when drilling or for the 2x4 1.5" lumber to not split if I am off a little to a side.
Sure. We all believe you are a carpenter putting up roofs on a weekly basis and therefore know what the heck you’re talking about. 🤪😂🤣
Instead I do trust my innate ability to hammer fingers deeply into the joists
Thanks for your inquiry. Yes, one 6" TimberLOK is code approved for attaching a rafter or truss to top plate. Please see the TimberLOK product page on our website to learn more or to download a technical bulletin.
The question was ... is it code approved in Florida
There are a lot of crap products that are code approved. I fel like two ring shank nails driven in in an X would have more strength than this single screw
@@MAGAMAN c’mon man! ;-) Yes this one screw provides higher lateral and uplift resistance than the Simpson H2.A clip. Are you suggesting toe nailing with ring shank nails, of unknown gauge, provide higher uplift resistance than a rough thread 6” wood screw? Please rethink your ass-u-mptions
@@mistermister1541 it is; look it up
Hey provide the link so you dont get people doubting cause they cant take the time to search and read unless spoon fed
Could these be driven through a beam, upward diagonally, to fasten floor joists that are sitting on a multi-ply beam, instead of toenailing the joists down onto it?
Yes, TimberLOKs can be driven through the beam and into a floor joist. We recommend driving the screw 3” down from the top of the beam and drive the screws at a 22-30 degree angle into the joist.
I'd take the tie, they could advertise the for Extra reinforcement. I'd definitely add it onto a tie enforcement lol
Hurricane Tie for the WIN ... Its an obvious win
1 long screw vs a metal strap with 10 nails ....
I have a question what do you tell that inspector when he doesn't see the hurricane straps that's going to pass or fail you
Please refer to TER 1105-02 for code compliant information. d3g5z6m6vcoqo2.cloudfront.net/resources/TIMBERLOK-TER-No.-1105-02.pdf
electric driver vs framer McButterfingers
Does Mr. McButterfingers love to eat butterfingers candy bars?
He's a better nail driver than me at least. I'd need 150 seconds not 58
Why not use both?🤔
I am using all my simpson ties, then switching over to timberlok screws
@@celyl simpson has an equivalent screw, called the TRUSS screw
these screws are code compliant in most states and work as well as clips but he is installing them incorrectly so he may want to do some research
My question is; are the wall studs always in line with the truss or rafter to make this work?
Good question! I hope they answer this since I'm curious too
He is not screwing through the stud. It is going through the top plate into rafter. The stud in video just happens to be in line, but it doesn't matter
Wall studs are 16" on center rafters are 24" on center
Thanks
Answer: Wall framing and floor framing that is aligned with the trusses is necessary to be load bearing. Example- Take a look at the basement floor framing, which makes up the floor above. Then the trusses will be running in line (front to back or side to side) with the floor beneath. This is platform framing and most if not all builders construct this way now (I Inspect them). Balloon framing was the previous way. Simply put, to properly transfer the load of the structure, it cannot cross back and forth.
The rafter is cut short and so are the wall studs😢 y u do the hammer guy like that! You known if he had the wall he could have done it faster but i get it
The only disadvantage with the tie is that the bottom part is too short and one ends nailing at the very top part of the second plate when you have two( 2 )2 x 4s , the manufactures should have noticed this a long time ago and redesigned the bottom part of the tie. I always question why a structural engineers will approve this tie to the market because of what I just explain above. I always use a longer nail and more angle to get some good meat out of the bottom plate. The engineer who approve this tie to the market has never had a carpenter pouch on his waist
Timberlock wasn't attached correctly.
Hi Patricia,
Our Technical Services rep has a few questions before answering your question. Please call 800.518.3569 and ask for FastenMaster technical support. Rob will be able to assist. Thank you for your interest!
BS comparison. Power drill vs. Hand nailing? Dumb! We install hurricane clips with a pneumatic palm nailer; MUCH faster, meets codes, much stronger protection against windstorm.
palm nailer
yes, the can't-hammer-straight guy's take
work smarter not harder and the time is money guy vs the guy complaining that he likes his hammer 😆
Totally a violation of safety- what is your lift off strength-0--Exceed codes where needed A single screw,....sure.
U should not share your opinions, especially with such arrogance; because you are completely wrong: the load values for these screws are much higher than the H2.A clips
Your timberlock is just a long screw. Not even close to being comparable with the Tie.
TimberLOK is code approved and can replace Hurricane Ties for many applications.
@FastenMaster there has been a lot of activity on your video ;-) I think @UA-cam and @MAGA MAN made excellent points: feelings and beliefs are superior to actual scientifically arrived at facts; and Im no Dr Fauci supporter. So, I guess FastenMaster, you all need to make videos showing how the screw out performs the SST clip.