The Mentor lore is an interesting addition. In that continuity, we have nine of these pairs. I’ll start with Big Wing, mentor to Trickdiamond. Big Wing allowed Trickdiamond to have a sort of lax life of drifting. After Big Wing was killed by Devestator, an event which was covered up, Trickdiamond figured this was a final lesson to make the most of her life. This led to her falling in with Swindle and Starscream, betraying the former to be rewarded by the latter. Not sure if Big Wing would be disappointed of the crowd Trickdiamond fell in with. Next comes Alpha Trion, mentor to Ultra Magnus. Trion seemed to teach Magnus to be merciful and caring towards the enemy, especially when they lose and get wiped from history. Given Magnus was one of the Great Generals during the War of the Threefold Spark, this was likely very necessary advice. And later on, Magnus goes through much effort to rescue Trion from Soundblaster, even almost falling into a black hole. A good pairing to each other. Next is Wheeljack who mentors Gears. Wheeljack is very supportive and always gives Gears encouragement, never getting mad at how Gears keeps floating off the Winged Moon leading to constant rescues by Cosmos. Wheeljack even gets angry at Huffer for being cynical to Gears, even if Gears has stuck with Wheeljack longer than the two kilocycles (years) that mentees stay with their mentors. Given how happy the two are to be reunited later in the war, I get the feeling Wheeljack would absolutely sacrifice everything for Gears. Heartwarming, aren’t they? I think Cryak absolutely raised Starscream to be a Cybertronian patriot, to care deeply for Cybertron. Starscream’s treacherous side developed during those early kilocycles leading to Cryak getting the same impression of Starscream as everyone else. When it comes to his scheming, I think Starscream’s love for Cybertron leads him to want to be close to the powerful by any means to judge if they are right for the job. He certainly has no qualms using blackmail to become head of intelligence under Sentinel Prime, costing Soundwave his job. Starscream must have a similar view of Sentinel that Megatron did, someone who was asking Cybertron to sacrifice itself for the rest of the galaxy. So despite Starscream’s scheming, he’s actually perfect for the Decepticons because his beliefs match up with the faction. Next is Arcee and Gauge. Arcee’s girlfriend Greenlight counts too. Arcee is clearly very defensive of Gauge, willing to confront or even fight others who hurt her in any way. Greenlight also worries about Gauge’s future as the war begins. And after their adventure with the Reversionists, the two older bots are willing to let Gauge question their judgement, showing their open to her making her own decisions despite being so young. A nice group. Now we get to Shutter, mentor to Bumblebee. We don’t know much about her, but she did teach Bumblebee about how Cybertronians are tied to Cybertron thanks to the metals they are made up of and about the duality between light and darkness. She’s also caring towards other young Cybertronians given how she sympathetic she is towards Cliffjumper being forged right after Bee, but having nobody but Sentinel to greet him. I think Shutter taught Bee well. As for Bumblebee himself, we see how things go with Rubble. He had a hard time getting the young one to concentrate, but did recognize Rubble had an interest to become an engineer. In the end, Bumblebee prioritized his friendship with Orion which technically got Rubble killed, something which are away at Bumblebee to the point he killed Rubble’s killer, Quake, and nearly did the same to Barricade who provided info to Quake. In the end, Bee vows to not disgrace Rubble’s memory by letting his death change him. Next is Termagax, mentor to Megatron. If I had to choose worst mentor ever, it would be her. She taught Megatron about never owing everything to the past, but always striving forward for those in the future. This led to Megatron becoming a miner and gladiator, determined to do his part for Cybertron’s Age of Expansion. Nothing wrong here really besides Termagax only focusing on the positives of that age. But as we see, Termagax liked to take risks like with the Constructicons and the Enigma of Combination. Termagax also doesn’t like debating with others, leading her to quit politics only 30 kilocycles before the story. She failed to notice how Megatron desired glory and power for himself and how he used her political party to force Cybertron to return to the Age of Expansion until it was too late. Megatron clearly grows to want Termagax to stay out of his way and even shoots what he thinks is her dead when she calls him out. Worst mentor ever. No doubt. Finally we have Codexa, mentor to Optimus/Orion Pax. She teaches Orion to see Cybertron as a living world and initially wants him to take her place as head archivist. However she recognizes Orion would be better in other services and thus had him check out the Winged Moon and explore the colonies to get a new perspective. She thus shows no regret when Orion returns and wants to be a senator. Codexa had a negative view of the Age of Expansion and even wrote a book about this, likely including Orion to join the Autobot political party. Orion was so close with Codexa that the Mediator program in the Matrix takes her form whenever it communicates with Optimus. They are definitely a close pair. Perhaps even a rival to Wheeljack and Gears.
I think the cybertronian version of this Optimus is based off of the unarmored version of Galaxy upgrade Prime who is based off Cybertron Prime so ironic because the version they use for a younger Optimist is actually an older upgraded optimist
I don't think it fair to say Starscream "betray" her after she did the same to him. Because let be real here, after someone tried to steal your body, left you to rot, and commit mass murder then any sort of obligation to stand by them is thrown out the window, parent or no. You can't burn bridges when all of them are already burned.
Yeah I don't see him as betraying her at all. And even her betrayal is her preying on his love for Cybertron. She hoped he'd offer up his body to her because he loved her and Cybertron. I don't see it as betrayal in a way since she didn't tell him she wouldn't do it. She didn't lead him to believe she was going to do anything else. She made her plans clear. Maybe it still counts as betrayal, but it may be more of a betrayal to Cybertron if anything else. Poor Starscream is just shit on by everyone. It's ok, I still love him. I also wonder if it explains why he seems to "soften" up around the female bots and even female humans. He retains the good memories of his mom. I mean that's a stretch since she was only brought up for an issue, but it would make it any interesting theory.
Honestly, this take with Cybertronians being created by Primus then raised by a mentor (who is like a Cybertronian equivalent of parent) is really really amazing. It's like the best of both worlds for those in the camp who believe Cybertronians can have children and the camp who believe Primus forges them immediately with their personality set. Though, one change I'd say should be made is Optimus Prime's mentor is Alpha Trion. The relationship between Optimus and Alpha Trion is always depicted as a father/son relationship and I think Optimus' father mentor should be Alpha Trion. Otherwise, I believe this concept should become a staple in Transformers lore from now on.
When you realize Harlan Ellison was never really a Jerk but just a guy who wanted his professor to respect him and why he wanted to prove his professor he was never a failure as their are two kinds of mindsets ones like Ellison who acts cold and unlikeable due to what happen to theme or people who move past being treated like a outcast and offering to show and help make something better despite what people say
I think that’s so sad that Starscream first offered to help by giving her a new body or just letting her pass on if that was her wish. I think that shows he really did love her. But imagine your mother, the one who raised you, is subjected to the horror of becoming a flesh monster and then she unapologetically says she’s going to put you through the same fate. Starscream looked so scared in the panels.
As someone how has had their mother who has left me for dead, and not only that but also stood by the people who were planning on doing it, I can completely understand 100% why starscream did what he did to his mother and why he likely felt nothing. But to be fair; what Sceam's mom attempted to do to him was without a doubt worse; it's still terrible and I am glad this comic captures that. Through I personally still have a minimal amount of love for my mom, I won't cry if she were to get put out or something for what she put ME through. Apologies if I am getting too personal but I definitely fully sideing with Starscream on this. He's been through enough.
Nah, don't apologize. I can relate to you too, friend. People like us gotta stick together, otherwise we'd end up like poor Starscream. I completely agree with you.
Everyone says Starscream now has mommy issues, though I can’t help but point out that while Cryak went to get milk and never returned, Megatron’s mentor, Termagax, went to get milk and came back to violence XD These two Decepticons and their mentors😅
So are you telling me the whole conflict that caused a war resulting in millions dead and a huge torn in the whole planet in this continuity tracks down to lousy parenting? XD
I mean... I saw a joke on Tumblr that was basically: "Daddy issues make you a people pleaser, but mommy issues make you, like, a sociopath." And someone replied with a picture of Zuko and Azula. And considering what Azula was like...yeah.
Let's be honest Megatron going extreme after his mom left is the equivalent of being raised alone,did she really think he was going to listen after leaving him?
@@zemox2534 not that stupid, without a proper parental figure kids don't exactly grow up right. Cybertronians in this universe having mentors/parents is probably one of the more interesting things they've added since it allows them to have family without it being too similar to organics. Megs growing up with a negligent mom while Prime grows up with a loving one is a nice contrast as well.
@@zemox2534 the original was there an original origin most traditional origin is they come from The Well of all Sparks but their billions of years old someone has to take care of them when they're weaker
I love how they show the side of the Decepticons in a more understanding way that they're a group of Cybertronians who aren't any different from those of the Autobots but are simply a faction who believe in a different truth. We get to understand some characters outside of the war and get to know them in person.
The Decepticons didn't start out as bad guys in quite a few continuity, and Megatron had outright heroic beginnings. Like in TFP, IDW, or the aligned continuity Megatron was basicaly a mining slave, and later gladiator who set his life on freeing Cybertron from the rule of the very corrupt elit, and from the caste system. The promblem was that he was willing to compromise his moral intergrity along the way, and his appetite for revenge and cruelty triumphed over his sense of justice at the end. I really love that in some continuities Megatron and Orion worked together to change Cybertron for the better, and were basiclly sworn brothers, and I would really like to watch a series about the early days of their revolution.
It’s cute that Megatron’s mentor kinda planted the seed of change, hopefully in good faith, but Megatron was like “eh violence is da way”. So technically Decepticons was still made by Megatron even if comic tried to be like “but his momma did it”
Yes in short, just filler. Luckily this is just an alternate universe like how Shattered Glass is an alternate universe In the end, history will still be “Megatron led the Decepticons into war”. It’s not gonna suddenly change to Termagax all because she did the talk but didn’t walk the walk like how Megatron did. Girl went into isolation before Megs decided that he will gather like-minded people to change the political landscape by violence
@@zemox2534 I mean they were already retcon to be made by megastronus Prime The Fallen in some continuities I mean personally I think they could have multiple Origins their political faction multiple people take up the calls and warp it into their own vision if I was in charge of the set because they'd be very different from Megatron's Decepticons only similar in name
I’m not the only one who likes this idea of the transformer being adopted basically I think it’s a cool and already nice way to give unknown or background characters some sense of meaning
I've always headcanoned that forged cybertronians are born as sparklings (babies) that physically grow up like human children, and there's some sort of system that distrubutes sparklings to adult cybertronians to be raised, which also explains siblings (in contrast, cold-constructs are "born" in mass produced adult bodies, and are immediately sent to work)
@saagabragi6938 may I add on to the idea of them having 'grow up' with the concept their spark takes years (decades or centuries given how long their lifespans are) to fully light up. They inhabitant small body as their bodies are dim, then as their sparks grow brighter and more powerful they grow bigger bodies that their brighter sparks can power. It would explain why some transformers have smaller bodies as some don't develop bright powerful sparks that power larger forms like how some humans are very petite.
@@matthewallen2273I like this idea, maybe there's doctors/mechanics that specialize in helping sparklings upgrade their bodies 😊 cybertronian pediatricians if you will lol
@spicysalad3013 cybertronians do have illnesses and medical conditions so it'd be perfectly normal to add such doctors into the lore. The only thing that makes it difficult writing wise is how would a transformer grow? Their biology changes wildly between continuities, some have Cna(DNA), or are little different to any other machine. Transformers Energon showed that autobots could regrow limbs by bathing in Energon. Therefore Energon can be transformed into soild metal, like it's the stable version of the high energy matter. What if the Cybertronian builds up a internal supply of this energy and when their Spark grows powerful enough their body fabricates the upgrades using the internal Energon surplus. Their T cogs shifting their physical form much like in the Transformers One movie. But it's across many stages, not all at once and they have the ability to transform since their birth. The upgrade would be celebrated like a birthday/coming of age, puberty? This gives the T cog more importance other than just transforming. Being an important organ for their physical growth. ************* I've always thought that Energon could be forged into metal. It would be why Primus, originally just a massive Spark of life energy formed a Metal body due to his Energon able to change into that material. It would explain how transformers heal with Energon directly. How there's no metal or material shortage on cybertron with it's only resource being Energon from the core. If their metal is a stable form of Energon, then would flowing energy back into this low energy matter reinforce the material? Would that explain why some Transformers are so strong, especially larger ones with brighter sparks that aren't scratched by weapons that destroy others despite their metal being similar, it's the lifeforce flowing through the flesh giving it more strength? If the metal is a form of Energon than it would make sense why their Sparks could graft onto the bodies and feel the metal enough to feel pain. The Spark/Energon(Blood)/Metal flesh are all connected. Internal Energon could flow from it's container, through the channels (blood vessels), to a damaged area and flow through the metal flesh to regrow scratched areas and heal over leaking (bleeding) spots. Missing arms would need to be replaced. This healing (fabrication) could explain how how could go indefinitely without maintenance like a machine instead of like the lifeforms they are.
@spicysalad3013 cybertronians do have illnesses and medical conditions so it'd be perfectly normal to add such doctors into the lore. The only thing that makes it difficult writing wise is how would a transformer grow? Their biology changes wildly between continuities, some have Cna(DNA), or are little different to any other machine. Transformers Energon showed that autobots could regrow limbs by bathing in Energon. Therefore Energon can be transformed into soild metal, like it's the stable version of the high energy matter. What if the Cybertronian builds up a internal supply of this energy and when their Spark grows powerful enough their body fabricates the upgrades using the internal Energon surplus. Their T cogs shifting their physical form much like in the Transformers One movie. But it's across many stages, not all at once and they have the ability to transform since their birth. This gives the T cog more importantly other than just transforming. Being a important organ for their physical growth. ************* I've always thought that Energon could be forged into metal. It would be why Primus, originally just a massive Spark of life energy formed a Metal body due to his Energon able to change into that material. It would explain how transformers heal with Energon directly. How there's no metal or material shortage on cybertron with it's only resource being Energon from the core. If their metal is a stable form of Energon, then would flowing energy back into this low energy matter reinforce the material? Would that explain why some Transformers are so strong, especially larger ones with brighter sparks that aren't scratched by weapons that destroy others despite their metal being similar, it's the lifeforce flowing through the flesh giving it more strength? If the metal is a form of Energon than it would make sense why their Sparks could graft onto the bodies and feel the metal enough to feel pain. The Spark/Energon(Blood)/Metal flesh are all connected. Internal Energon could flow from it's container, through the channels (blood vessels), to a damaged area and flow through the metal flesh to regrow scratched areas and heal over leaking (bleeding) spots. Missing arms would need to be replaced. This healing (fabrication) could explain how how could go indefinitely without maintenance like a machine instead of like the lifeforms they are. the Spark/lifeforce giving strength to metal flesh would also explain why combiners are so strong due to them pooling their lifeforces together. Why else would devastator be so strong when it's the same 6 transformers as one. Wouldn't they be just as vulnerable to weapons unless it's them adding their Sparks and lifeforces together to strengthen the whole, becoming more than the sum of their parts.
Ironically Starscream is one of the few cybertronians that actually has a biological offspring, Rampage the giant crab/tank is his son and any seeker that was cloned from him also counts.
@@MoonMoon-cl4co Well in the original Beast Wars cartoon, the Maximals were trying to replicate G1 Starscream's immortality when they created Rampage. So technically... not really his son
I love how each new story that involves starscream just keeps adding more and more layers to him, he's now like some deeply layered metal cybertronian cake!. I bet he's the most complicated developed cybertronian in Transformers ever now. 346👍 holly molly. More Lasagna please..🤣
This is actually a pretty good story I've seen and I'm pretty sure that starscream cares for his mentor though the issue is that the fact that his mom was trap in a ape body for who's know how long and messed with her brain but it showed that he could kill his mom but he didn't weather he wants her to suffer or he couldn't do it or he believes in the myth don't know but it interesting
To me the way i saw it was Starscream might of thought his mom would help him and was happy to see her again thinking they could work together only to see to his shock and anger how much she lost and was willing to wipe out organic life leaving him to return to his body and leaving her showing he was never going to go to far and knew his mom was to far gone to be helped and had she not been to far gone than starscream would of most likely helped her
@@comicbookreviewer4856 yeah I think Starscream was completely genuine in offering to help her And I think he would have even up to the point of her basically saying "i wanna genocide all organics" if she apologized or stopped preaching about it I think the straw that broke camel's back though is her assuming he'd be perfectly fine with committing a genocide. An idea that he'd be that heartless and cruel and is somehow this completely immoral monster pissed him off to the point where he couldn't stand the idea of helping her anymore. Like not only did it show him she was too far gone. But also? shows that she didn't really know or care about him enough to know him as a person even if she was his parent. And that kind of stab into his character was such a deep and horrible assumption of him he wanted nothing to do with her forever more after that
Good lord that reference to I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream was… chilling. From the clever title reference to the eerily similar ending for Cryex that I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream’s Ted(mixed with Benny) and his horrific fate. As soon as I heard the title I was prepared but dang… what a horrid fate.
This sounds like a really interesting one-off. I was kinda sad about how little development Starscream got through the main 2019 series, but on the other hand, we got some much needed focus on figures like Strika which I really enjoyed. Great video, and I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on IDW2!
The biggest thing I sorta like about the new cybertron is the inclusion of refugees, we've rarely seen a habitable cybertron, aside from animated, let alone for organics (still never explained how the police dude could breath) but I could see some potential in a continuity with a cybertron never drained and turned into a ruined husk along with most of it's colonies losing contract or suffering some similar fate, and instead one that brings in the beastwars idea that primus may want to become techno-organic and perhaps allowing organics to live on the world, provide enviroments for them to survive, is how the comic is gonna handle beastmodes.
when starscream said about the myth of a disembodied spark to live in, he could be indirectly saying that he hopes no one ever finds her and leave her to her fate to be forgotten. He could having the resentment for her that grew over possibly centuries and the betrayal is the final nail in her coffin. He also think that even if she was his "mother", his "mother" is gone and all is left is a resentful, lonely and suffering spark left.
As inexcusable as Starscream's actions are in general, he is one of the few characters I feel genuinely sympathetic toward. I can sorta relate because Starscream's own mother doesn't know him, despite all the years raising him, and that shit sucks because you can't connect or have a conversation with someone like that.
The most cursed, messed up, a surprisingly realistic moments from this franchise once again. And I can't help but sympathize with Starscream and his decision. What's concerning is that this is far from the worst action taken I would agree with and that I would probably do something worse. Then again . . . Well I never really had the best role models.
Fun Fact: About the Issue's name "I have no mouth and I must Starscream", is that it's referenced to a book called "I have no Mouth and I must Scream" by Harlan Ellison. In summary, the book is about an A.I called A.M, that develops human emotions, and basically destroyed the whole world only leaving 5 humans that he has tortured for hundreds of years.
It's interesting to see how different portraying of Starscream can be in every continuity. And how differeng they're in spite to be basically the same character. Here, he has a mom, and certainly he loved her, althought their relationship has disfuntional tips; and how he isn't about to comite genocide. in spite of the odds. However, his Skybound counterpart also was a "family" and he become into a sociopatic genocidal after loosing them, aparentely at Abot's hands. They are the same, but they also are other different individuals.
This is the kind of complexity I really like seeing in a Starscream story, because it shows us a much more interesting side of Starscream then we usually see, one with strong ideals challenged by unhealthy relationships with authority figures.
Hmmm.. Not gonna lie, the idea of a "cybetronian parent/caretaker" for the newborn cybertronians is quite an interesting one. That, and the execution of the "Starscream parent/caretaker getting DERANGED" sound's bouth freaky, and uniqe for transformers as an series. Even with out the halloween theme. Either way, thank's for the enterteing video, and hope to see you soon.
I hate the idea of megatrons mother being the one who started the decepticons Megatrons story beginning with him as a slave gladiator earning his freedom and wanting to change society for the better which leads into a war that slowly turns him mad is a great story and shouldn’t be changed Him being a psychopath that takes over for his mommy while she is away is a disgrace to his character
How so? Megatron has always been a power hungry bastard and he took over because he felt like Termagax let him and everyone else down when she gave up and left the cause, and he’s not really that different from any other Megatron he wants power, he thinks that the decepticon way is the best for cybertron, and he felt betrayed by Orion Pax.
@@2bdaqueen268 as far as I’ve heard he just wanted to change the clear inequality in cybertronian society, than again I’m revering to tfp and cyberverse and different series and comics have different continuity’s just look at tfa Star scream
@@wolfjacket551 well that’s how it started out in TFP, CV, and IDW, although with the first two it’s implied that he was always power hungry despite wanting to bring equality, while in IDW it was a string of horrid events and processor damage that led him up to that point but he still became worse then the people that tormented him, and that’s basically IDW2 Megs he wants power, he thinks his way is the only way for cybertron to prosper, and will use any means to get said way even if it includes murder and usurping the government, so it’s really not different by Megatron standards lol, I mean even his SG incarnation while actually being a caring and good leader still has an aggressive and cynical streak to him
@@2bdaqueen268 I don't think the person is mad about changing Megatrons psychopathic mind or personality, I don't think they are arguing that, they don't like the decepticons concept originating from her, I think they wanted Megatron to be the one who made the concept. not that they think Megatron is less mad, less power hungry, that doesn't seem to be a disgrace to his character, but the decepticons originating from her does seem to be for wolf jacket
I'd love to see a distant future starscream story where He returns to his mentor having died multiple times and been the screaming ghost. It would be awesome to see Starscream reflect over his failures and mishaps with his mentor after all the crap he goes through.
Fun Fact: *"I Have No Mouth And I Must Starscream" title is a reference to HarIan Ellison's famous Artificial Intelligence horror novel which later adapted into a hard mode video game*
You should add Thunderhowl from cyberese to mercy as a prime predacon, that'd be so awesome. maybe shockwave had a protégé or rival with a stronger moral compass, and they were responsible for thunderhowl's cloning, which could explain where he came from & could potentially be the seed of his noble, kindhearted, & honorable personality, & it'd be interesting if he makes an ally of predaking in the good predaking timelines, or an enemy in the evil predaking timelines.
Yeah I dont see either that Cryak dislikes Starscream or the other way around... I think she went insane of sorts because of her fusing with a organic lifeform and couldnt take it anymore after all that time...
Wow that's a trip. Really hard for me to see this as a betrayal on Starscreams part tbh. Given the mental state his mother/mentor was in and being the whole reason he loves Cybertron for her to betray it like that, I would of done the same.
The name “I have no mouth and I must starscream” is the greatest name for a transformers Halloween special Also HOLY SHIT THAT ENDING IS FUCKING HORRIFYING
I agree with you there, and I think there is a reason why Starscream abandoned his mother. However, it could be possible that Cyrcak had never had someone to look after his son, Starscream, when she did travel all over Cybertron for science and knowledge. And my second theory is why Starscream chooses to abandon Cyrack in her fate. Is that she is very selfish and never considers her son's well-being and never tries to reach out to him as a spark; I don't know much about the biology of the transformers, but I do know you should at least try to be there for Starscream when he needed her most. Since Cyrack never tries to take Starscream's offer to help her to get a new body. But instead wants Starscream to leave him to her fate, and if Cyrack has actually taken his son's body and left him to that creature, then she probably would kill him in that form without hesitation. So I think Starscream does care for his mother. Still, his mother uses his body as a vessel to commit several genocides toward organics and other Cybertronains who don't think into her vision of what Cybertron should be. I also read that comic online on my iPhone, and it is a great series to read, but I haven't read the issues yet. What is the page number issue where Optimus and Megatron have mothers on which number issue? Also, have you ever heard of a fan-made Transformers Prime sequel Transformers Prime: Galvatron's Revenge, and a new transformers series called Transformers: EarthSpark? Anyway, this is an excellent story about Starscream's mother and the origin of his character, so please keep up the fantastic job you're doing "til all are one!"
So IDW and Hasbro decided to fully canonize idea of transformers including the well known ones having parents huh welp i guess that commercial were optimus's mother gives him a pack of lunch for when he gets hungry is also canon now to lol
At first I was like: Wait I thought cybertronians don;t have parents?? Starscream s mom betrayed him?? Then I watched to video and was like oh okay that makes more sense
I don't think its a "Love of Cybertron". It's Her who's narrating. She, loves Cybertron. What we're seeing is her impressing her idea of him onto him, which may have been a behavior she did often. Its a situation that Starscream faced with Megatron earlier in the same comic. Everyone is impressing their idea of him onto him, without talking to him. ( It should be noted that its clear she's fairly consistent about abandoning him. Placing reasonings and behaviors onto him is abandoning him for an idea of him. ) And Starscream doesn't want a genocide--if there's anything that we know that's consistent about all Starscreams across all incarnations, its that He wants to Rule. Can't rule dead people. Megatron wants Destruction, not Starscream. It lines up with Starscream's dramatics. He's dramatic not because he's basically a robot theatre kid--but because that gets undivided attention. Might even fuel into why he wants to rule so badly: if he rules, everyone has to pay attention to him. Nobody can leave him without his say so. And he doesn't have to be hurt anymore if he has all the power. His mother trusts that he will do what she says no matter the extremes, as its simply implied without saying so that he used to in the past (For good or ill). He wouldn't visit her body, because why the hell would he make that trek for someone who didn't bother to trek back for him? She's assuming he leaves her in her state because he's obsessed with Cybertron--when the simple truth is, is that she ditched him once again, would've absolutely left him to a terrible fate (which is an extreme variant of what she did the first time when she left--imagine ma going for milk and came back to start the zombie apocalypse... with you first), and he wanted the result to be Cruelly Karmic. "Oh so you love Cybertron and want to be apart of it? Well, who am I to rob you of that." Does it stop an evil? Well, yes. Is it torturous? Absolutely. Is it understandable as to why? You bet your aft it is. Why spend energy on someone who, in your attempt to help, tried to drag you under? Best to walk away and leave them behind. There's nothing one can really do, they had a chance to leave circumstance and they chose not to accept help or improve-- and if you attempt to do more it might just result in a worse fate for yourself. When you've already built yourself to be the villain ("I must be the bad son, that's the only reason nobody stuck around"), justify yourself as the problem ("Why else would mother just... leave?"), walking away from a situation you cannot face or fix without damage, might as well be a "successful scheme that destroyed my enemy". ... Its almost an abuse survivor story.
I made a list of OC named Alpha Contessa a mentor to my oc Starknight/stormstrike, ice comber and she mentored in the belief of primus but when she gone offline naturally starknight left in grief he came back from stormstrike convinced by his brother.
"I have no mouth and I must starscream" is a reference to "I have no mouth and I must scream" and the state Starscream's mother was in is very similar to one of the main characters at the end.
I'd say it's a Halloween story, so take it with a grain of salt because the writers had to come up with something both punny and spooky. Though to take it more seriously, it doesn't seem like he leaves her out of malice of cruelty. The idea of getting her a new body went out the window when he realized she was a crazed lunatic. (After all, she could have been coy she could have gotten a new body, then did a genocide. But, she had a mania for genocide now.) He also didn't have it in him to kill his mom. So, he can't put her in a body to join the planet otherwise she'd go on a rampage and he can't bring himself to permanently delete her soul. The best compromise he can do, for his mother who wanted to rejoin the planet, is to let her be eternally connected to the planet as one of Cyberton's myths. So it's more of finding a compromise between a bad and worse situation.
starscream is a proud bot, in a world of look-a-like (all of the seekers looks similar from a distance, even discounting all of the clones). he may be predictable but he hates when it is pointed out to him. that's what made him turn against his mother, the gall to tell him what he cares about he wants to eventually be on top, unburdened by the supposition of others, and sometime in the future, his time will come, surelly. but for now, hard work and scheming is the plan. and also, he went trought the same procedure that made her spark immortal...
I think it would make sense for them to have mentors to help them adapt the the relevant state of Cybertron. Though I think their occupation may have an influence on how involved their mentor may be overtime if they're not just simply trained in an academy for particular careers. Though if they can have millions of years of wars and resentment and mention family. They could have a variety of relationships development and foundations.
It is kind of strange, tbh not what I had expected, almost surprising too. as I had believed at least they kind of figure things out on all on their own child but it seems to be that this mentor concept isn't exactly like a human parent relationship, so I am glad they are not babying Cybertronians around like a parent would to a child.
Given how often brotherhood is spoken about, and how older transformers seem to guide the more childish ones about I think It makes sense enough to have been practiced at some point on the planet. Though some bots should have up bringing without mentors as well I think
Mentors are a rather unique alternative IDW have presented as opposed to every bot just being left to figure themselves out. It's integration is also sensible, of course there'd be a huge celebration for newly formed bots to meet their new mentors. Kinda wished Alpha Trion was OP's mentor like he is in most continuities but his mom is still a pretty wholesome addition.
I havent really looked into the new continuity but this definitly grabbed my attention, i love the idea of the having parental figuers. I might have to start reading the comic.
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The Mentor lore is an interesting addition. In that continuity, we have nine of these pairs.
I’ll start with Big Wing, mentor to Trickdiamond. Big Wing allowed Trickdiamond to have a sort of lax life of drifting. After Big Wing was killed by Devestator, an event which was covered up, Trickdiamond figured this was a final lesson to make the most of her life. This led to her falling in with Swindle and Starscream, betraying the former to be rewarded by the latter. Not sure if Big Wing would be disappointed of the crowd Trickdiamond fell in with.
Next comes Alpha Trion, mentor to Ultra Magnus. Trion seemed to teach Magnus to be merciful and caring towards the enemy, especially when they lose and get wiped from history. Given Magnus was one of the Great Generals during the War of the Threefold Spark, this was likely very necessary advice. And later on, Magnus goes through much effort to rescue Trion from Soundblaster, even almost falling into a black hole. A good pairing to each other.
Next is Wheeljack who mentors Gears. Wheeljack is very supportive and always gives Gears encouragement, never getting mad at how Gears keeps floating off the Winged Moon leading to constant rescues by Cosmos. Wheeljack even gets angry at Huffer for being cynical to Gears, even if Gears has stuck with Wheeljack longer than the two kilocycles (years) that mentees stay with their mentors. Given how happy the two are to be reunited later in the war, I get the feeling Wheeljack would absolutely sacrifice everything for Gears. Heartwarming, aren’t they?
I think Cryak absolutely raised Starscream to be a Cybertronian patriot, to care deeply for Cybertron. Starscream’s treacherous side developed during those early kilocycles leading to Cryak getting the same impression of Starscream as everyone else. When it comes to his scheming, I think Starscream’s love for Cybertron leads him to want to be close to the powerful by any means to judge if they are right for the job. He certainly has no qualms using blackmail to become head of intelligence under Sentinel Prime, costing Soundwave his job. Starscream must have a similar view of Sentinel that Megatron did, someone who was asking Cybertron to sacrifice itself for the rest of the galaxy. So despite Starscream’s scheming, he’s actually perfect for the Decepticons because his beliefs match up with the faction.
Next is Arcee and Gauge. Arcee’s girlfriend Greenlight counts too. Arcee is clearly very defensive of Gauge, willing to confront or even fight others who hurt her in any way. Greenlight also worries about Gauge’s future as the war begins. And after their adventure with the Reversionists, the two older bots are willing to let Gauge question their judgement, showing their open to her making her own decisions despite being so young. A nice group.
Now we get to Shutter, mentor to Bumblebee. We don’t know much about her, but she did teach Bumblebee about how Cybertronians are tied to Cybertron thanks to the metals they are made up of and about the duality between light and darkness. She’s also caring towards other young Cybertronians given how she sympathetic she is towards Cliffjumper being forged right after Bee, but having nobody but Sentinel to greet him. I think Shutter taught Bee well.
As for Bumblebee himself, we see how things go with Rubble. He had a hard time getting the young one to concentrate, but did recognize Rubble had an interest to become an engineer. In the end, Bumblebee prioritized his friendship with Orion which technically got Rubble killed, something which are away at Bumblebee to the point he killed Rubble’s killer, Quake, and nearly did the same to Barricade who provided info to Quake. In the end, Bee vows to not disgrace Rubble’s memory by letting his death change him.
Next is Termagax, mentor to Megatron. If I had to choose worst mentor ever, it would be her. She taught Megatron about never owing everything to the past, but always striving forward for those in the future. This led to Megatron becoming a miner and gladiator, determined to do his part for Cybertron’s Age of Expansion. Nothing wrong here really besides Termagax only focusing on the positives of that age. But as we see, Termagax liked to take risks like with the Constructicons and the Enigma of Combination. Termagax also doesn’t like debating with others, leading her to quit politics only 30 kilocycles before the story. She failed to notice how Megatron desired glory and power for himself and how he used her political party to force Cybertron to return to the Age of Expansion until it was too late. Megatron clearly grows to want Termagax to stay out of his way and even shoots what he thinks is her dead when she calls him out. Worst mentor ever. No doubt.
Finally we have Codexa, mentor to Optimus/Orion Pax. She teaches Orion to see Cybertron as a living world and initially wants him to take her place as head archivist. However she recognizes Orion would be better in other services and thus had him check out the Winged Moon and explore the colonies to get a new perspective. She thus shows no regret when Orion returns and wants to be a senator. Codexa had a negative view of the Age of Expansion and even wrote a book about this, likely including Orion to join the Autobot political party. Orion was so close with Codexa that the Mediator program in the Matrix takes her form whenever it communicates with Optimus. They are definitely a close pair. Perhaps even a rival to Wheeljack and Gears.
Starscream's mother betraying Starscream is the most Starscream thing ever
Runs in the family
Like mother, like son
Later.
Mom: "You betrayed me!!!"
It runs in the family
Never heard Starscream so many times in the same sentence.
That's not a good thing right?
Seeing Optimus as a sweet little boy with a mom is just so cute
I think the cybertronian version of this Optimus is based off of the unarmored version of Galaxy upgrade Prime who is based off Cybertron Prime so ironic because the version they use for a younger Optimist is actually an older upgraded optimist
I know. ❤💙😍
He looks like a little scout boy
I don't think it fair to say Starscream "betray" her after she did the same to him.
Because let be real here, after someone tried to steal your body, left you to rot, and commit mass murder then any sort of obligation to stand by them is thrown out the window, parent or no.
You can't burn bridges when all of them are already burned.
Agreed
Yeah honestly starscreams feelings were reasonable
Yeah I don't see him as betraying her at all. And even her betrayal is her preying on his love for Cybertron. She hoped he'd offer up his body to her because he loved her and Cybertron. I don't see it as betrayal in a way since she didn't tell him she wouldn't do it. She didn't lead him to believe she was going to do anything else. She made her plans clear. Maybe it still counts as betrayal, but it may be more of a betrayal to Cybertron if anything else.
Poor Starscream is just shit on by everyone. It's ok, I still love him.
I also wonder if it explains why he seems to "soften" up around the female bots and even female humans. He retains the good memories of his mom. I mean that's a stretch since she was only brought up for an issue, but it would make it any interesting theory.
I wonder if she's where starscream gets his "we'll burn that bridge when we get there." Mentality
the fact that I felt Starscreams existential horror at being transported into an organic body
Me too y’all, that’s gotta be very scary
I too feel sorry for Starscream having to experience what it's like being a in an organic body.
@@smt3True I know what it's like to be in an organic body
@@cherry414 Same, it sucks when a microscopic invader decides to invade our organic bodies
@@cherry414 horrific, would not recommend organic body to anyone
Glad to see betrayal runs deep in the Starscream family!
It seems so
Honestly, this take with Cybertronians being created by Primus then raised by a mentor (who is like a Cybertronian equivalent of parent) is really really amazing. It's like the best of both worlds for those in the camp who believe Cybertronians can have children and the camp who believe Primus forges them immediately with their personality set.
Though, one change I'd say should be made is Optimus Prime's mentor is Alpha Trion. The relationship between Optimus and Alpha Trion is always depicted as a father/son relationship and I think Optimus' father mentor should be Alpha Trion. Otherwise, I believe this concept should become a staple in Transformers lore from now on.
I wonder if perhaps he raised Ariel in this continuity after all Alita one did say she considered him a father
A similar concept of Cybertronian schools is made in TF Animated.
Yes yes yes!!
the fact that idw is one of the most cursed origins of how transformers were born,make it even funnier
The fact that when transformers/Cybertronians are born they immediately have an “average” conscience as to what we see with Bumblebee here
Especially that transformer who had an artificial baby in his chest, and got shot
Still one of the best transformers comics publishers
@@stiglapoint5672 in my opinion,dreamwave productions was a better comics publishers
@@bilal_Hadjlaoui907 I haven't read either, but didn't Dreamwave create/cement the ideas of Shockwave being a scientist and others that survive?
Thats actually a nice look at the novel "I have no mounth and i must scream" by Harlan Ellison. But now a machine in an endless cycle of torture.
Yes, I agree. It would be interesting to see "organic vs machine" story where organics are an antagonistic/evil force.
@@griva7018 organics are often the evil and antagonistic force in these types of stories… from a cetrain point of view.
When you realize Harlan Ellison was never really a Jerk but just a guy who wanted his professor to respect him and why he wanted to prove his professor he was never a failure as their are two kinds of mindsets ones like Ellison who acts cold and unlikeable due to what happen to theme or people who move past being treated like a outcast and offering to show and help make something better despite what people say
I think that’s so sad that Starscream first offered to help by giving her a new body or just letting her pass on if that was her wish. I think that shows he really did love her. But imagine your mother, the one who raised you, is subjected to the horror of becoming a flesh monster and then she unapologetically says she’s going to put you through the same fate. Starscream looked so scared in the panels.
As someone how has had their mother who has left me for dead, and not only that but also stood by the people who were planning on doing it, I can completely understand 100% why starscream did what he did to his mother and why he likely felt nothing.
But to be fair; what Sceam's mom attempted to do to him was without a doubt worse; it's still terrible and I am glad this comic captures that. Through I personally still have a minimal amount of love for my mom, I won't cry if she were to get put out or something for what she put ME through.
Apologies if I am getting too personal but I definitely fully sideing with Starscream on this. He's been through enough.
Nah, don't apologize. I can relate to you too, friend. People like us gotta stick together, otherwise we'd end up like poor Starscream. I completely agree with you.
May I ask what happened? I'm sorry you went through that
Everyone says Starscream now has mommy issues,
though I can’t help but point out that while Cryak went to get milk and never returned,
Megatron’s mentor, Termagax, went to get milk and came back to violence XD
These two Decepticons and their mentors😅
I hate you right lol
So are you telling me the whole conflict that caused a war resulting in millions dead and a huge torn in the whole planet in this continuity tracks down to lousy parenting? XD
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@@clownplayer7265 sounds about right...I'll go war monger
edit: this is a joke youtube
So… Screamy has mommy issues… explains a lot.
Not sure you can call them mommy issues when his mom is actually deranged.
I mean...
I saw a joke on Tumblr that was basically:
"Daddy issues make you a people pleaser, but mommy issues make you, like, a sociopath."
And someone replied with a picture of Zuko and Azula.
And considering what Azula was like...yeah.
@@potatospeedwagon3994Never in my life have I made more sense
@@Crystre
...you okay?
@@potatospeedwagon3994 don't worry, I'm the people pleaser
Let's be honest Megatron going extreme after his mom left is the equivalent of being raised alone,did she really think he was going to listen after leaving him?
It does sound like that.
It sounds stupid and just makes Megatron look weak. There was nothing wrong with his original origin
@@zemox2534 not that stupid, without a proper parental figure kids don't exactly grow up right. Cybertronians in this universe having mentors/parents is probably one of the more interesting things they've added since it allows them to have family without it being too similar to organics. Megs growing up with a negligent mom while Prime grows up with a loving one is a nice contrast as well.
Is it wrong that once they treat mentors as parents my first thought is two parents are better than one?
@@zemox2534 the original was there an original origin most traditional origin is they come from The Well of all Sparks but their billions of years old someone has to take care of them when they're weaker
I love how they show the side of the Decepticons in a more understanding way that they're a group of Cybertronians who aren't any different from those of the Autobots but are simply a faction who believe in a different truth. We get to understand some characters outside of the war and get to know them in person.
The Decepticons didn't start out as bad guys in quite a few continuity, and Megatron had outright heroic beginnings. Like in TFP, IDW, or the aligned continuity Megatron was basicaly a mining slave, and later gladiator who set his life on freeing Cybertron from the rule of the very corrupt elit, and from the caste system.
The promblem was that he was willing to compromise his moral intergrity along the way, and his appetite for revenge and cruelty triumphed over his sense of justice at the end.
I really love that in some continuities Megatron and Orion worked together to change Cybertron for the better, and were basiclly sworn brothers, and I would really like to watch a series about the early days of their revolution.
Megatron's mom went out for milk and he's never been the same since.
It’s cute that Megatron’s mentor kinda planted the seed of change, hopefully in good faith, but Megatron was like “eh violence is da way”.
So technically Decepticons was still made by Megatron even if comic tried to be like “but his momma did it”
An unnecessary retcon.
Yes in short, just filler. Luckily this is just an alternate universe like how Shattered Glass is an alternate universe
In the end, history will still be “Megatron led the Decepticons into war”. It’s not gonna suddenly change to Termagax all because she did the talk but didn’t walk the walk like how Megatron did.
Girl went into isolation before Megs decided that he will gather like-minded people to change the political landscape by violence
@@zemox2534 I mean they were already retcon to be made by megastronus Prime The Fallen in some continuities I mean personally I think they could have multiple Origins their political faction multiple people take up the calls and warp it into their own vision if I was in charge of the set because they'd be very different from Megatron's Decepticons only similar in name
Ironic, Megatron is a mommy's boy
@@zemox2534not a Retcon, a new Origin/interpretation of how the Decepticon Movement started (Is not the Same Timeline as MTMTE)
Optimus is a Mama's Boy (in the good way), and Starscream has mommy issues.
This explains so much.
I’m not the only one who likes this idea of the transformer being adopted basically I think it’s a cool and already nice way to give unknown or background characters some sense of meaning
I've always headcanoned that forged cybertronians are born as sparklings (babies) that physically grow up like human children, and there's some sort of system that distrubutes sparklings to adult cybertronians to be raised, which also explains siblings (in contrast, cold-constructs are "born" in mass produced adult bodies, and are immediately sent to work)
@saagabragi6938 may I add on to the idea of them having 'grow up' with the concept their spark takes years (decades or centuries given how long their lifespans are) to fully light up. They inhabitant small body as their bodies are dim, then as their sparks grow brighter and more powerful they grow bigger bodies that their brighter sparks can power.
It would explain why some transformers have smaller bodies as some don't develop bright powerful sparks that power larger forms like how some humans are very petite.
@@matthewallen2273I like this idea, maybe there's doctors/mechanics that specialize in helping sparklings upgrade their bodies 😊 cybertronian pediatricians if you will lol
@spicysalad3013 cybertronians do have illnesses and medical conditions so it'd be perfectly normal to add such doctors into the lore.
The only thing that makes it difficult writing wise is how would a transformer grow?
Their biology changes wildly between continuities, some have Cna(DNA), or are little different to any other machine.
Transformers Energon showed that autobots could regrow limbs by bathing in Energon. Therefore Energon can be transformed into soild metal, like it's the stable version of the high energy matter. What if the Cybertronian builds up a internal supply of this energy and when their Spark grows powerful enough their body fabricates the upgrades using the internal Energon surplus. Their T cogs shifting their physical form much like in the Transformers One movie. But it's across many stages, not all at once and they have the ability to transform since their birth. The upgrade would be celebrated like a birthday/coming of age, puberty?
This gives the T cog more importance other than just transforming. Being an important organ for their physical growth.
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I've always thought that Energon could be forged into metal. It would be why Primus, originally just a massive Spark of life energy formed a Metal body due to his Energon able to change into that material. It would explain how transformers heal with Energon directly. How there's no metal or material shortage on cybertron with it's only resource being Energon from the core.
If their metal is a stable form of Energon, then would flowing energy back into this low energy matter reinforce the material? Would that explain why some Transformers are so strong, especially larger ones with brighter sparks that aren't scratched by weapons that destroy others despite their metal being similar, it's the lifeforce flowing through the flesh giving it more strength?
If the metal is a form of Energon than it would make sense why their Sparks could graft onto the bodies and feel the metal enough to feel pain. The Spark/Energon(Blood)/Metal flesh are all connected.
Internal Energon could flow from it's container, through the channels (blood vessels), to a damaged area and flow through the metal flesh to regrow scratched areas and heal over leaking (bleeding) spots. Missing arms would need to be replaced. This healing (fabrication) could explain how how could go indefinitely without maintenance like a machine instead of like the lifeforms they are.
@spicysalad3013 cybertronians do have illnesses and medical conditions so it'd be perfectly normal to add such doctors into the lore.
The only thing that makes it difficult writing wise is how would a transformer grow?
Their biology changes wildly between continuities, some have Cna(DNA), or are little different to any other machine.
Transformers Energon showed that autobots could regrow limbs by bathing in Energon. Therefore Energon can be transformed into soild metal, like it's the stable version of the high energy matter. What if the Cybertronian builds up a internal supply of this energy and when their Spark grows powerful enough their body fabricates the upgrades using the internal Energon surplus. Their T cogs shifting their physical form much like in the Transformers One movie. But it's across many stages, not all at once and they have the ability to transform since their birth.
This gives the T cog more importantly other than just transforming. Being a important organ for their physical growth.
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I've always thought that Energon could be forged into metal. It would be why Primus, originally just a massive Spark of life energy formed a Metal body due to his Energon able to change into that material. It would explain how transformers heal with Energon directly. How there's no metal or material shortage on cybertron with it's only resource being Energon from the core.
If their metal is a stable form of Energon, then would flowing energy back into this low energy matter reinforce the material? Would that explain why some Transformers are so strong, especially larger ones with brighter sparks that aren't scratched by weapons that destroy others despite their metal being similar, it's the lifeforce flowing through the flesh giving it more strength?
If the metal is a form of Energon than it would make sense why their Sparks could graft onto the bodies and feel the metal enough to feel pain. The Spark/Energon(Blood)/Metal flesh are all connected.
Internal Energon could flow from it's container, through the channels (blood vessels), to a damaged area and flow through the metal flesh to regrow scratched areas and heal over leaking (bleeding) spots. Missing arms would need to be replaced. This healing (fabrication) could explain how how could go indefinitely without maintenance like a machine instead of like the lifeforms they are.
the Spark/lifeforce giving strength to metal flesh would also explain why combiners are so strong due to them pooling their lifeforces together.
Why else would devastator be so strong when it's the same 6 transformers as one. Wouldn't they be just as vulnerable to weapons unless it's them adding their Sparks and lifeforces together to strengthen the whole, becoming more than the sum of their parts.
Ironically Starscream is one of the few cybertronians that actually has a biological offspring, Rampage the giant crab/tank is his son and any seeker that was cloned from him also counts.
Wait rampage is his son?!
Wait seriously!?! In what continuity? This one? Cause I haven’t found anything about this!
@@MoonMoon-cl4co Well in the original Beast Wars cartoon, the Maximals were trying to replicate G1 Starscream's immortality when they created Rampage. So technically... not really his son
@@baron4718 oh ok so kinda like a young justice superboy thing and maybe a little bit of a boba fett thing
@@baron4718 Oh-
Thanks for clearing that up!
I love how each new story that involves starscream just keeps adding more and more layers to him, he's now like some deeply layered metal cybertronian cake!. I bet he's the most complicated developed cybertronian in Transformers ever now. 346👍 holly molly. More Lasagna please..🤣
Looks at likes...." ohh my goodness ".🙄
He's a Cybertronian Lasagna, by now. 😆
@@HaroldoPinheiro-OK 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Lasagna starscream anyone🤣🤣🤣
starscream is an onion conformed
@@HaroldoPinheiro-OK as a fan of both a good lasagna and starscream. i approve of this.
This is actually a pretty good story I've seen and I'm pretty sure that starscream cares for his mentor though the issue is that the fact that his mom was trap in a ape body for who's know how long and messed with her brain but it showed that he could kill his mom but he didn't weather he wants her to suffer or he couldn't do it or he believes in the myth don't know but it interesting
To me the way i saw it was Starscream might of thought his mom would help him and was happy to see her again thinking they could work together only to see to his shock and anger how much she lost and was willing to wipe out organic life leaving him to return to his body and leaving her showing he was never going to go to far and knew his mom was to far gone to be helped and had she not been to far gone than starscream would of most likely helped her
@@comicbookreviewer4856 yep
@@comicbookreviewer4856 i though she hates any creature with legs and eyes including Cypertronians.
@@comicbookreviewer4856 yeah I think Starscream was completely genuine in offering to help her
And I think he would have even up to the point of her basically saying "i wanna genocide all organics" if she apologized or stopped preaching about it
I think the straw that broke camel's back though is her assuming he'd be perfectly fine with committing a genocide. An idea that he'd be that heartless and cruel and is somehow this completely immoral monster pissed him off to the point where he couldn't stand the idea of helping her anymore. Like not only did it show him she was too far gone. But also? shows that she didn't really know or care about him enough to know him as a person even if she was his parent. And that kind of stab into his character was such a deep and horrible assumption of him he wanted nothing to do with her forever more after that
1:20 nice reference to the book "I have no mouth and I must scream"
Good lord that reference to I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream was… chilling. From the clever title reference to the eerily similar ending for Cryex that I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream’s Ted(mixed with Benny) and his horrific fate.
As soon as I heard the title I was prepared but dang… what a horrid fate.
This sounds like a really interesting one-off. I was kinda sad about how little development Starscream got through the main 2019 series, but on the other hand, we got some much needed focus on figures like Strika which I really enjoyed. Great video, and I'd love to hear more about your thoughts on IDW2!
Too be fair Scream got load of development in the previous IDW continuity
@@zemox2534 yeah, it's possible they'll give him more development going further into the series since we're currently focusing on a newer cast.
@@electricfeverx976 Maybe in the next set of comics. IDW 2 just came to an end unfortunately.
The biggest thing I sorta like about the new cybertron is the inclusion of refugees, we've rarely seen a habitable cybertron, aside from animated, let alone for organics (still never explained how the police dude could breath) but I could see some potential in a continuity with a cybertron never drained and turned into a ruined husk along with most of it's colonies losing contract or suffering some similar fate, and instead one that brings in the beastwars idea that primus may want to become techno-organic and perhaps allowing organics to live on the world, provide enviroments for them to survive, is how the comic is gonna handle beastmodes.
Was
It is over now
when starscream said about the myth of a disembodied spark to live in, he could be indirectly saying that he hopes no one ever finds her and leave her to her fate to be forgotten. He could having the resentment for her that grew over possibly centuries and the betrayal is the final nail in her coffin. He also think that even if she was his "mother", his "mother" is gone and all is left is a resentful, lonely and suffering spark left.
I've fallen in love with this new continuity, cybertronians with parental figures is just so damn cute!
As inexcusable as Starscream's actions are in general, he is one of the few characters I feel genuinely sympathetic toward. I can sorta relate because Starscream's own mother doesn't know him, despite all the years raising him, and that shit sucks because you can't connect or have a conversation with someone like that.
Betrayal is strong with this family.
its in the genes
The most cursed, messed up, a surprisingly realistic moments from this franchise once again.
And I can't help but sympathize with Starscream and his decision.
What's concerning is that this is far from the worst action taken I would agree with and that I would probably do something worse.
Then again . . .
Well I never really had the best role models.
Now that makes me wonder what Knockout's mentors were like
Fun Fact: About the Issue's name "I have no mouth and I must Starscream", is that it's referenced to a book called "I have no Mouth and I must Scream" by Harlan Ellison. In summary, the book is about an A.I called A.M, that develops human emotions, and basically destroyed the whole world only leaving 5 humans that he has tortured for hundreds of years.
0:59 the way I paused the video and yelled ‘ahhh she such a baddie’ will forever haunt me.
It's interesting to see how different portraying of Starscream can be in every continuity. And how differeng they're in spite to be basically the same character. Here, he has a mom, and certainly he loved her, althought their relationship has disfuntional tips; and how he isn't about to comite genocide. in spite of the odds. However, his Skybound counterpart also was a "family" and he become into a sociopatic genocidal after loosing them, aparentely at Abot's hands. They are the same, but they also are other different individuals.
The transformers having mentors or moms and dads is honestly a great Idea I hope stays with the lore I think it's a neat addition
This is the kind of complexity I really like seeing in a Starscream story, because it shows us a much more interesting side of Starscream then we usually see, one with strong ideals challenged by unhealthy relationships with authority figures.
I think the “I have no mouth and I must starscream” is a nod to “I have no mouth and I must scream”
Hmmm.. Not gonna lie, the idea of a "cybetronian parent/caretaker" for the newborn cybertronians is quite an interesting one.
That, and the execution of the "Starscream parent/caretaker getting DERANGED" sound's bouth freaky, and uniqe for transformers as an series. Even with out the halloween theme.
Either way, thank's for the enterteing video, and hope to see you soon.
I didn’t think the title “I Have No Mouth and I Must Starscream” would be upheld and represented so well
Cryak got corrupted, so SScream tried to save her but didn't trust her after what happened.
I have no mouth and i must STARSCREAM is also a reference to [i have no mouth, and i must scream.]
I hate the idea of megatrons mother being the one who started the decepticons
Megatrons story beginning with him as a slave gladiator earning his freedom and wanting to change society for the better which leads into a war that slowly turns him mad is a great story and shouldn’t be changed
Him being a psychopath that takes over for his mommy while she is away is a disgrace to his character
How so? Megatron has always been a power hungry bastard and he took over because he felt like Termagax let him and everyone else down when she gave up and left the cause, and he’s not really that different from any other Megatron he wants power, he thinks that the decepticon way is the best for cybertron, and he felt betrayed by Orion Pax.
@@2bdaqueen268 as far as I’ve heard he just wanted to change the clear inequality in cybertronian society, than again I’m revering to tfp and cyberverse and different series and comics have different continuity’s just look at tfa Star scream
@@wolfjacket551 well that’s how it started out in TFP, CV, and IDW, although with the first two it’s implied that he was always power hungry despite wanting to bring equality, while in IDW it was a string of horrid events and processor damage that led him up to that point but he still became worse then the people that tormented him, and that’s basically IDW2 Megs he wants power, he thinks his way is the only way for cybertron to prosper, and will use any means to get said way even if it includes murder and usurping the government, so it’s really not different by Megatron standards lol, I mean even his SG incarnation while actually being a caring and good leader still has an aggressive and cynical streak to him
@@2bdaqueen268 I don't think the person is mad about changing Megatrons psychopathic mind or personality, I don't think they are arguing that, they don't like the decepticons concept originating from her, I think they wanted Megatron to be the one who made the concept. not that they think Megatron is less mad, less power hungry, that doesn't seem to be a disgrace to his character, but the decepticons originating from her does seem to be for wolf jacket
@@ilikeapples1824 honestly I don’t consider it any different from IDW1’s Teminus inspiring him to do his poetry and to start the revolution
I love the idea of them having parents without having actual parents.
I'd love to see a distant future starscream story where He returns to his mentor having died multiple times and been the screaming ghost. It would be awesome to see Starscream reflect over his failures and mishaps with his mentor after all the crap he goes through.
Fun fact the name of the comic Is a reference to the famous psychological horror novel and video game i have no mouth and I must scream
"I have no mouth and i must starscream" oddly sounds familiar
Fun Fact: *"I Have No Mouth And I Must Starscream" title is a reference to HarIan Ellison's famous Artificial Intelligence horror novel which later adapted into a hard mode video game*
Poor starscream. It's no wonder he's the way that he is. 🥺😢
At least now we can say that betrayal runs in Starscream's family.
You should add Thunderhowl from cyberese to mercy as a prime predacon, that'd be so awesome. maybe shockwave had a protégé or rival with a stronger moral compass, and they were responsible for thunderhowl's cloning, which could explain where he came from & could potentially be the seed of his noble, kindhearted, & honorable personality, & it'd be interesting if he makes an ally of predaking in the good predaking timelines, or an enemy in the evil predaking timelines.
Man starscream really needs a hug….
Yeah I dont see either that Cryak dislikes Starscream or the other way around...
I think she went insane of sorts because of her fusing with a organic lifeform and couldnt take it anymore after all that time...
The body horror and facial expressions in this are amazing. Also, I’d love to see more from this continuity. Or is it just a one-off story?
It's stuff like this that make me believe transformers are really organic and not robots.
The title is a great reference to I Have No Mouth and Must Scream book/comic
I really wanna see something about Optimus and Codexa
Omg I literally just got done reading all of idw2 and catching up on everything glad to see you cover this
I feel like Starscream would be a bit of a mommy’s boy
Well, WAS. at least... now he has mummy issues...🙂🙃
Wow that's a trip. Really hard for me to see this as a betrayal on Starscreams part tbh. Given the mental state his mother/mentor was in and being the whole reason he loves Cybertron for her to betray it like that, I would of done the same.
The name
“I have no mouth and I must starscream” is the greatest name for a transformers Halloween special
Also
HOLY SHIT THAT ENDING IS FUCKING HORRIFYING
It’s weird seeing the scheming Starscream after growing up with armada.
"you may have outsmarted me, but I have outsmarted your outsmarting!"
So in this continuity older cybertronians take on parental rolls yeah? Then please oh please tell me they made Big-Daddy the bestest dad.
I guess betrayal runs in the family.
Codexa = Twilight Vevlet
Optimus = Twilight Sparkle
Fits like a glove
This is the most cursed origin I’ve ever heard.
I agree with you there, and I think there is a reason why Starscream abandoned his mother. However, it could be possible that Cyrcak had never had someone to look after his son, Starscream, when she did travel all over Cybertron for science and knowledge. And my second theory is why Starscream chooses to abandon Cyrack in her fate. Is that she is very selfish and never considers her son's well-being and never tries to reach out to him as a spark; I don't know much about the biology of the transformers, but I do know you should at least try to be there for Starscream when he needed her most. Since Cyrack never tries to take Starscream's offer to help her to get a new body. But instead wants Starscream to leave him to her fate, and if Cyrack has actually taken his son's body and left him to that creature, then she probably would kill him in that form without hesitation. So I think Starscream does care for his mother. Still, his mother uses his body as a vessel to commit several genocides toward organics and other Cybertronains who don't think into her vision of what Cybertron should be. I also read that comic online on my iPhone, and it is a great series to read, but I haven't read the issues yet. What is the page number issue where Optimus and Megatron have mothers on which number issue? Also, have you ever heard of a fan-made Transformers Prime sequel Transformers Prime: Galvatron's Revenge, and a new transformers series called Transformers: EarthSpark?
Anyway, this is an excellent story about Starscream's mother and the origin of his character, so please keep up the fantastic job you're doing "til all are one!"
Cryak is the lost child between Strika and Beast Machines Megatron and you cannot convince me otherwise
Of course Starscream loves 💖 Cybertron. His mother *lives* there. Sad though.
So IDW and Hasbro decided to fully canonize idea of transformers including the well known ones having parents huh welp i guess that commercial were optimus's mother gives him a pack of lunch for when he gets hungry is also canon now to lol
I need that commercial.
@@kade-qt1zu It was a Pepsi Convoy advertisement
@@TheArkman360 You got a link?
Man this is dark feel bad for starcream
At first I was like: Wait I thought cybertronians don;t have parents?? Starscream s mom betrayed him?? Then I watched to video and was like oh okay that makes more sense
starscreams ma really went the serial killer route
What a freaky backstory of this Transformers character and his relative.
I don't think its a "Love of Cybertron".
It's Her who's narrating. She, loves Cybertron.
What we're seeing is her impressing her idea of him onto him, which may have been a behavior she did often. Its a situation that Starscream faced with Megatron earlier in the same comic. Everyone is impressing their idea of him onto him, without talking to him.
( It should be noted that its clear she's fairly consistent about abandoning him. Placing reasonings and behaviors onto him is abandoning him for an idea of him. )
And Starscream doesn't want a genocide--if there's anything that we know that's consistent about all Starscreams across all incarnations, its that He wants to Rule. Can't rule dead people. Megatron wants Destruction, not Starscream.
It lines up with Starscream's dramatics. He's dramatic not because he's basically a robot theatre kid--but because that gets undivided attention. Might even fuel into why he wants to rule so badly: if he rules, everyone has to pay attention to him. Nobody can leave him without his say so. And he doesn't have to be hurt anymore if he has all the power.
His mother trusts that he will do what she says no matter the extremes, as its simply implied without saying so that he used to in the past (For good or ill). He wouldn't visit her body, because why the hell would he make that trek for someone who didn't bother to trek back for him?
She's assuming he leaves her in her state because he's obsessed with Cybertron--when the simple truth is, is that she ditched him once again, would've absolutely left him to a terrible fate (which is an extreme variant of what she did the first time when she left--imagine ma going for milk and came back to start the zombie apocalypse... with you first), and he wanted the result to be Cruelly Karmic. "Oh so you love Cybertron and want to be apart of it? Well, who am I to rob you of that."
Does it stop an evil? Well, yes. Is it torturous? Absolutely.
Is it understandable as to why? You bet your aft it is. Why spend energy on someone who, in your attempt to help, tried to drag you under? Best to walk away and leave them behind. There's nothing one can really do, they had a chance to leave circumstance and they chose not to accept help or improve-- and if you attempt to do more it might just result in a worse fate for yourself.
When you've already built yourself to be the villain ("I must be the bad son, that's the only reason nobody stuck around"), justify yourself as the problem ("Why else would mother just... leave?"), walking away from a situation you cannot face or fix without damage, might as well be a "successful scheme that destroyed my enemy".
... Its almost an abuse survivor story.
Thanks, that was both moving and disturbing.
I made a list of OC named
Alpha Contessa a mentor to my oc
Starknight/stormstrike, ice comber and she mentored in the belief of primus but when she gone offline naturally starknight left in grief he came back from stormstrike convinced by his brother.
Is your OC also a reference to Contessa from Sly Cooper.
@@m488thunderbird3 yes but a good one she's not predacon nor deception she's like alpha Trion
Love how the subtitles is just one massive text brick for a second.
"I have no mouth and I must starscream" is a reference to "I have no mouth and I must scream" and the state Starscream's mother was in is very similar to one of the main characters at the end.
This kind of reminds me of the scene in the book White Fang when White Fang reunited with his mother after a long period of time
Starscream is a traitor. He learned from the best
I'd say it's a Halloween story, so take it with a grain of salt because the writers had to come up with something both punny and spooky. Though to take it more seriously, it doesn't seem like he leaves her out of malice of cruelty. The idea of getting her a new body went out the window when he realized she was a crazed lunatic. (After all, she could have been coy she could have gotten a new body, then did a genocide. But, she had a mania for genocide now.) He also didn't have it in him to kill his mom. So, he can't put her in a body to join the planet otherwise she'd go on a rampage and he can't bring himself to permanently delete her soul. The best compromise he can do, for his mother who wanted to rejoin the planet, is to let her be eternally connected to the planet as one of Cyberton's myths. So it's more of finding a compromise between a bad and worse situation.
Damm starscream is like that diehard environmentalist who betrays everyone else except his planet Cybertron
Maybe cryak can be in the mercy game, imagine predaking and/or starscream meeting his mother
starscream is a proud bot, in a world of look-a-like (all of the seekers looks similar from a distance, even discounting all of the clones). he may be predictable but he hates when it is pointed out to him. that's what made him turn against his mother, the gall to tell him what he cares about
he wants to eventually be on top, unburdened by the supposition of others, and sometime in the future, his time will come, surelly. but for now, hard work and scheming is the plan.
and also, he went trought the same procedure that made her spark immortal...
Honestly, I really like this explanation and lore
The only person spared by a cosmically powered Starscream
0:03 "So you have a mother?" -Regulus to Starscream
A dysfunctional mother/son relationship.
I love the i have no mouth and I must scream AM references
I have a digital copy of that comic on my Kindle app, It's a really good read.
WAS THAT A "I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM" REFERENCE???
The titel alone hits hard
Wait wait wait STARSCREAM HAS A MOM WTF
i think megatron's mom beat him with the energon belt
0:51
*gasps in joy* A healthy mother figure for Optimus! 😭
Mom, get the camera! It’s a miracle! 🙏🏽🥹
Codexa best momma
Yeah, that's really dark, but the fact that Megatron tried to kill his "mother" is much darker
I find this "mentor" thing quite surprising as i haven't kept up with IDW but don't know how to feel about it
What's your opinion on it
I think it would make sense for them to have mentors to help them adapt the the relevant state of Cybertron. Though I think their occupation may have an influence on how involved their mentor may be overtime if they're not just simply trained in an academy for particular careers.
Though if they can have millions of years of wars and resentment and mention family. They could have a variety of relationships development and foundations.
It is kind of strange, tbh not what I had expected, almost surprising too. as I had believed at least they kind of figure things out on all on their own child but it seems to be that this mentor concept isn't exactly like a human parent relationship, so I am glad they are not babying Cybertronians around like a parent would to a child.
Given how often brotherhood is spoken about, and how older transformers seem to guide the more childish ones about I think It makes sense enough to have been practiced at some point on the planet. Though some bots should have up bringing without mentors as well I think
Mentors are a rather unique alternative IDW have presented as opposed to every bot just being left to figure themselves out. It's integration is also sensible, of course there'd be a huge celebration for newly formed bots to meet their new mentors. Kinda wished Alpha Trion was OP's mentor like he is in most continuities but his mom is still a pretty wholesome addition.
A mentor is fine, the parent thing makes it weird.
Awesome love 💕 thanks
I havent really looked into the new continuity but this definitly grabbed my attention, i love the idea of the having parental figuers. I might have to start reading the comic.