J. Cole Freestyle | The Joe Budden Podcast
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Cole #1 in my book just simply by he speak about actual shit I’ve been through. I never gang banged or hung around others that did. I took the college route and stayed out the streets. He speaks to 85% of population.
Facts so many of his songs are relatable
He’s not speaking to you just cause you never gang banged
@@mtwo5277 shut up
Cole is a living, breathing example of how to HIP HOP in the mainstream but not be mainstream!
Cole still 1
Nas
🐐 no one tops Cole 🔥🔥
Lmao Cole is clearly mainstream. And Kendrick still better.
@@Jon155mt obviously over ya head... but either way 🙏🏾
I got Cole then Kendrick then Drake.
Personally I think Cole is one of the best story tellers in rap. He punch lined us to death on the Off Season showing off his rapping ability. His feature run has been crazy and overall I relate to his music more.
if you ain’t got kendrick as 1, your opinion is invalid my guy
Kendrick hasn't dropped in about five years and for some reason in that same time period we have a segment of Rap that keeps his name in this Top 3 conversation. It's annoying at this point. Rap is boring if all it has to offer and acknowledge is Kendrick Drake and Cole.
this
@@user-xz4lc1co2b so I’m not allowed to have an opinion against the norm ? People like you are the worst
@@JuiceWiliker kendrick is clear in almost of every aspect of rapping: punchlines, flows, vocal inflections, lyricism, cadence, metaphors. and you mention storytelling like kendrick hasn’t had three back to back albums which are literally him storytelling a cinematic masterpiece. I relate more to J cole, but kendrick is objectively clear in terms of artistry and rapping
if u listen to the song cole actually saying he is the best ya'll just fell for the bells and whistles
Exactly niggas keep saying he admitted he third no he said the public opinions put him 3 he think he 1 niggas just hate on Cole cause it’s cool to do. Cole been 1 for couple years Kenny been taking a break and Drake CLB is hot mid. Cole tape is better than CLB and Donda easily
@@Tocozym rapping Cole always had Ye and Drake beat lyrically but musically, he doesn’t compare to either. Saying his album is better is merely your personal preference.
@@Tocozym Dark Lane Demo Tapes was better than Off Season
@@fuddyduddie1205 ok musically there both are amazing but bro cole tried something different on the off-season and it hit harder than both of their albums and was very good musically and lyrically. I liked 9-10 songs on donda, 8-10 on clb and every song on the off-season…
@@Tocozym yea I say cole 1, but you can intertwine kdot and cole, they should fasho be 1 and 2 or vice versa easily, to me drake been 3 for awhile
If this is solely hip hop
It’s
1. j.cole - personally honest, speaks to the people, story teller
2. Kendrick- complex in his art, unique stand out in this generation, aggressive
3. Drake- versatile, targets “hip-pop” hits / Shows Vulnerability about women
Just somethings I notice in each, some more then others.
All i know is 4 Your Eyez Only was/is severely under-appreciated…
Absolutely was.....it was actually my favorite album from him
!!!!
Cuz people don't really like lyrics like they say they do. Album was flawless IMO
Exactly. After the second listen, I figured it out.
My favorite Cole albulm
Cole has been the best since 2018 (a year after Damn). KOD, ROTD3, Off-Season, features run, the tours.
Stop it. You Cole fans are delusional
@@MasterOctagon lol I think it’s a legitimate argument. Drake has the numbers sure, but quality of albums and pure rapping during this above mentioned period? Kendrick has been inactive
Kod wasn’t better than damn by any means so I’d probably say since off season off of quantity alone he’s just dropped so much content and been on so many songs but Kendrick can take it back with another classic album like he always does
Yall cole fans need to get out yall bubble
@@SILMANTV thats why I say after Damn which was 2017. That album was incredible and hard to compete against. But since then, I’d argue Cole.
J Cole just dropped a song with Joyner Lucas called YOUR HEART. That shxt is fire. I really think Cole jumped on it to shade Karen Civil because she was talking about Cole on the Breakfast Club (saying he got big and stopped speaking to her)
It’s mid
Shit was dope.
How though? His verse was about being a better man.
Bro that song was probably done way before that Joyner and Karen Civil shit went viral. You think Joyner can just get a Jcole feature then just go out and do a video? Nah thats not how it works. The labels gotta sign off on the feature then they gotta figure out how much the budget is for the video then the label has to sign off on that budget. Alot of paperwork has to get done before these songs can just be released and even more has to be done to get a video with it
9th
This is not unlike Cole . He did it to Kanye and Jay-z when watch the thrown dropped . And again with last stretch . He just like to let these dudes know he can air the scene out if he chooses
Look at you talking about how another man isn't acting like himself 🤣🤣🤣
@@guerogb might want to work on your comprehension skills buddy
But why would he choose not to air out the scene??
Jermaine ?….cole ? Gtfoh 🤮
Joe literally has videos from the late 2000s debating Ish about how the machine and the numbers don't make a person more talented or a better artist, yet in 2021, because it's Drake, here we are.
Let’s not hold a man to his opinions a decade ago
@@DeeBrownLTD but let's not ignore the source of the change. Bias, dick riding, favoritism are all real things.
@@Noblility That’s your opinion of the change,, not the actual factual change.
@@nicoblac9368 i never said that those were the reason for the change just that change always has a reason behind it and we shouldn't be naive about it.
Facts lol , I can’t stomach that shit from Joe. Him acting like rappers like Drake & Cole could stand in the same room with niggas like Lupe, Royce, KRIT, Earl Sweatshirt, Gibbs etc annoys tf outta me
When i see Joe Budden talking about music Ima just click that shit 🤣
It was smart of Drake to say he would give Joe an interview so that he can dangle that carrot 🥕 in front of Joe for years so he doesn’t critique his work.
If Joe really believes he’ll get it lol. I’m sure he’d do it but I just question if he’s dead set got it in the bag
Joe said he can’t sleep without listening Drake. He wasn’t gonna critique him anyway lol
100%
Facts
Tired of it tbh. Ppl have may issues with Joe but this is literally my only issue
Cole never disappoints
How could he ever?
Freddie gibbs, big krit, wale and a few others came up at the same time as cole drake and Kendrick and are also up there lyrically. There should be more debates of current top 5s and 10s. Shoutout to the griselda camp too
KRIT one of the most underrated rappers ever.
This is THE comment. All 3 of them are fire and imo Big Sean, Mac Miller (RIP), and a few others deserve to be in that top 6-10 discussion as well.
J Cole is number one. Kendrick lamar hasn't been outside since 2017..
Yea, nah.
You high af 😂😂😂
Cole #1
@@Makavelicious he not high Cole better than Kendrick lmao ya all on Kendrick that dwarf ain’t drop in 8 years and when we Hurd from him again he was garbage on them baby keem songs
2018 actually
The reasons you can exclude the numbers is simply because Drake has more hits outside of rap vs rap music. Majority of his hits are RnB and Pop....
This is a great point
@@EseEilien It's not even true lol, y'all got short memories. Once upon a time Drake was literally handing out hits to rappers.
🧢
@@369pendulum This is facts only. Check the record tape.
And yet J. Cole called himself number 3 behind Drake and Kendrick..and he wasn't talking about RnB and Pop
Don't fall for the bells and whistles, fellas. Lol! Coleworld
People that compare music numbers and sports numbers acting like they’re a one-one comparison are fools, point blank and simple.
Krit is criminally underrated
J. Cole is number 1 for me, K dot 2 and Drake 3.... J Cole to me is more lyrical, more relatable, more skillful than all of them.
I was never really into k dot, but he’s very talented and skillful but he’s not too relatable because many people around the world don’t really like or understand him. Drake on the other hand is more successful based on the record sells, but I still put him 3rd. Just my opinion. They are all good though.
joe looks like his beard grows back THAT day
Cole was definitely making a statement rapping on a beat Drake only sang on. Drake was smart enough to get ahead of this and pretend to have been in on it
…. Drake literally rocked him to sleep j so beta
Drake J Cole and Kendrick being the center of every top 3 discussion in rap show why Hip Hop media is bias asf
He didn’t pretend to be in on it, he got ahead by openly supporting it. But see, it’s hard to say that with Drake cuz Drake has also been known to randomly support shit that he isn’t tied to.
@@agendaxpushers1322 who is your top 3
@@Hunter_s_morrison Top 3 rn you MUST pick between Lil Baby; Rod Wave; Polo G; Moneybagg Yo; Youngboy; And Lil Durk. Drake don't rap enough and Is mostly a pop artists that ride rappers waves and Kendrick don't drop enough music. I'd say J Cole is the best out of them 3.
J Cole is the man 💯🎬⚡️
Joe still trying to get that Drake interview 🤣
Being the best and having popularity is two different things. Cole is the best, drake has the crowd
I think cole,is the not the best, hands down, no, just a great one.........
No… and I hate arguing this shit cuz I love both.
how does one attain the crowd?? people just talk to hate
I LOVE Cole…just saw him in concert a few days ago. But I still don’t think he’s better than Kendrick or Drake.
Factz. Drake cant rap better than Cole or Kendrick.
They're all number 1. Drake is number 1 at what he does, Kendrick is number 1 at what he does, and Cole is number 1 at what he does.
Probably most sensible take on here.
Agreed
🤝🏾
I don’t like the “ lil bro”, energy they give Ice.
KDot still one of the best for sure, but to put him #1 in from of Cole - at this moment in time - is just incorrect. Cole been #1 since his feature run couple of years back, dropped one of the best freestyles in the past few years, and dropped album of the year already in the off season 👀...
Forest Hills Drive, my favorite album all time!
Cole is no.1 in 2021 like off season... the leakers he is killing it
Joe Budden's analogy Drake as Kobe of the rap game is tremendously on POINT. ANYONE WHO TRIES TO ARGUE THE POINT DOES NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS BEING SAID.
Except Kobe was the most skilled.
Drake is Eric Snow. Black Thought is Kobe
@@mamba4817 That's wild disrespect lol😂😂😂.
@@mamba4817 lol 🤣🤣🤣 bro this has me crying
@@gilfordmccormack8140 Calling Drake Kobe is the only disrespect here. 🤣
It was the wrong analogy. Drake gets the lebron treatment
Swear I remember Jay did the pump it up freestyle and Joe came right back
This just in: Group of Elderly Men Attempt To Find Scandal Where There Isn’t One
🤣
Man Cole is the Truth and been the Truth. Stop playin.. Not to mention he’ll rap circles around Drake so stop it. Cole is Numba 1
💯
Surprised / not surprised he didn’t mention hov on the pump it up beat
I love the fact that they said Cole is #2 .... which he definitely is no disrespect. It’s like when wwe had the heavyweight championship and the wwe championship at the same time and used to make people fight for them both to be the undisputed champion... Cole is the heavyweight champion and Kendrick is the wwe Champion 💯🤣
Naw he def 3
Cole 1
@@MrEOM41 Drake is 3rd. He can not rap better than Cole nor kendrick
Both super overrated
@@anthonydexter3527 but he’s a better hit maker than before
11:58 was a perfect time for a Hov dive seeing as that's exactly what he did to Joe 😂
If Kendrick Was More Active, This Wouldn’t Even Be A Debate... But Since Kendrick Is So Rarely Active, He Shouldn’t Even Be In The Debate
the fact that drake has to stay in our faces to keep relevancy is the part the people are not catchin. Drake shit is not hot like bad in the day. Look at the album its a bunch of features. It seems like he doesnt have confidence to stand alone anymore. While Kendrick and Cole music is timeless. Drake music for the moment.
@@WilliamDailyReacts I Understand What U Tryna Say, But Drake Doesn’t HAVE To Stay In Our Face... Don’t Get It Fucked Up... Drake’s Fanbase Ain’t Goin Nowhere... He Can Stop Dropping Today.. If He Come Back In 2024, Ppl Gone All Tap In
@@ZimMill can he do it in 2034 though? See the other two don’t have music you can grow out of. Drakes main thing is rapping about the fast life. The problem is drake makes music people will grow out of. If he stopped for 10 plus yrs and came back idk man idk
@@ZimMill Of course we tappin but if he stopped it'll be real hard for to jump back with an album without playing around with the current sound and artist. I think he's scared he would lose hes top spot if he did. (i got more to add about that btw)
Interesting take. Kendrick seems to feed off of INSPIRATION to create high quality work. If he were to drop consistently, I'm willing to bet that he wouldn't be as inspired and it would impact the QUALITY of his work. I actually think it says a lot about an artist that is able to drop consistently and STILL maintain good quality. If you get in the ring enough you WILL lose at some point.
Cole doesn’t have a machine behind him. He produces his own music, he writes, he sings, he has his own label of artists that he’s put on. He’s apart of his marketing team.
For all intents and purposes, he is his machine.
…fam. He’s signed to Jay Z. If Cole could sell 30 Billion records the machine is gonna still try to double it. It is what it is.
@@DeeBrownLTD when’s the last time you heard Cole & Jay Z on the same song or even saw them in the same room?
@@ineedtobesigned Bro u not understanding Hov doesn't have to be on a J Cole song.. the machine is whenever u want u got an interview with a big time publication.. u got millions of dollars going to promo and marketing.. they booking u on talk shows and podcasts and sway.. How u think all that stuff happen.. just because Cole relatable doesn't mean he ain't got a machine behind him... most of us aspiring artists got mad talent maybe even on the level of a J Cole imo.. I honestly think I am nicer than all them cats in terms of being an Emcee but my music doesn't reach as many ears because I don't have that backing.
@@ineedtobesigned Nigga what does that have to do with what's behind Cole? He's still signed to roc nation. One of the biggest labels in the world.
@@anthonydexter3527 okay.
Best nigga breathing it just fail to hit you you couldn't tell cuz you fell for the bells and whistles - j.cole💯
Imagine if Kendrick and Cole did the same thing as Drake. Make trendy music and drop alot of verses and albums like Drake. They would sell like crazy as well. Then we wouldn't be talking about numbers it would be about who has the better lyrics and the best body of work.
Couldn't have said it any better
Appreciate the way it is... if those dudes were releasing Hella music the lyrics would be dumbed down. That's why drake taps into some many genre. If it was easy they would all do it
Jay Z said it best: He could HAVE sounded like Common but that it didn't make cents ($$$)..Your in the Rap game to make money; They are music performers/artists making a living. EVERYTHING else is POINTLESS!!!
Kendrick does sell like crazy
Key word imagine. They don’t and there’s something to be said for the consistency
But later in the song Cole also says he is the greatest and you fell for the glitz and glamour
went rite over everyones head
@@mazex9075 Yup...I love how he masked it💯🔥🔥🔥
Ehh. HE believes he may be the best but he made himself look insecure by even worrying about what a few cornballs or superfans online think.
It’s called word play…. My point exactly lol ✈️
@@onyxonyx4744 He’s not worried about it lol. He’s saying I see it.
JCole >>>>>>> Kendrick
Very consistent
FACTSS!!!! IMO GKMC is a classic TPAB and Damn are both full of skips and albums I never go back too
No waaaaay. Cole's not in kendrick or drake's league. but hes got good stuff for sure.
Exactly .. Kendrick says a bunch of nothing
@@user-fb6yp8xt5t Drake is not in Cole and Kendrick league at all lmao. He can’t get with them.
J Cole music gets bland its about quantity not quality Kendrick >>
Joe be like Dhalsim with the reaches
😄
Lmaooo
I don’t know why I thought this was going to be Cole freestyling on Joe Budden
The Off-season > CLB
That's an easy one
Club had zero replay value.
Easy
@@r.brown0294is the club that important?
I like drake but CLB is his worst album lol
J. Cole “Middle Child”: Just put the Rollie right back on my wrist. This watch came from Drizzy. He gave me a gift back when the rap game was praying I diss”
Drake “7am Bridle Path”: If we talking top three then you been sliding to third like stolen bases. Toss around rollies with the frozen faces.
J. Cole “Heaven’s EP”: Some people said that I’m running third, they threw the bronze at me (instrumental at that moment says “Pipe Down”)
Then Cole brought Drake to his shows just like Cole brought Wale out to a basketball game after “false prophets”
Great observation.
Word im about to go Hear it again now lol
@KL D Drake was directly talking bout ye on that whole song he's saying it's hov, Drake then ye
Cole is #1
Hip hop is subjective. But rap is a skill.
J Cole is skillz
Joe is right lol if Cole did this in the early 00s, this would be considered a diss. I'd be tight that he did that on my beat and I'd subliminally reply.
Lupe Fiasco is in my top 5 and he doesn’t have a machine behind him. Ever since he criticized Obama and disputed with his label he’s been blackballed by the industry. That’s why I don’t place too much on numbers. The music business isn’t a meritocracy
Drake is number one by numbers but that’s it, ye artistically is once in a generation, Kendrick lyrically bodies him and Cole too has show his ability far exceeds drake. Drake is for the casual music listener, anyone who appreciates art is a fan of the other artists
The disrespect is unreal
Drake called him on stage and gave him props no beef
did you see the look on J cole face.
@@WilliamDailyReacts yea but it was jcole tour🤣🤣🤣
@@anteongoestill8068 Theory. What if Drake called Cole to make that speech lmao.
Drake lil boyyed him with that statement, cole will forever be tainted to me he put his head down like a lil kid
@@jpjuster2352 drake can't lil boy jcole first off Cole is one of the best
It’s somewhat irrelevant to bring up numbers in a top whatever argument (depending) because usually any/every top 5 would have stats or numbers that either only that top 5 have exclusive to themselves. Kendrick has the longest streaming hip hop albums.. cole went platinum no features.. n drake streams across platforms are on another level. Each of those things can be very irrelevant to how their actual music sounds/ makes u feel thus having no dictation on the order of your top lists
Well said ✅
Well said. Though statistics tell a story. So no. All you said is correct and true. You can't 100 percent off stats and statistics on paper and accolades , awards. Those thi gs count in overall body of work. Yes one will dominate a category... but who's efficiently and balanced dominating all even if he's not number one is he top 5? Along with eye test, hear test. Like we all know ab- soul eats. He is a better lyricist than the top 3. He is there as many others are. Though because the body of work, consistency isn't there. You can't mention top 5. Like LeBron dominates everything. Jordan doesn't. Which some use as catalyst to why he better. In this drake dominates more. And longevity. So easily yes these top 3s. But drake changed the game. Sing rap.... you know. Tutorial after Wayne. Another top. So stats matter.
@@tru7hDevo facts I feel u. On the the lebron/jordan point, even with lebron doing so much more than Jordan on a daily basis there are still things Jordan has done that lebron hasn’t (thanks to espn😂jk). but numbers matter when it comes to coming to a consensus on a subject I suppose. but when it comes to anything personal it can be useless because people’s reasoning can make them asinine. Someone could have drake in their top 3 but have Kendrick or cole over him stickly because of his subject matter of their music but will still have drake in their top 3 cuz they acknowledge his impact/longevity. The personal aspect can negate things & cuz to some degree, using numbers can be like admitting u chose to listen because its popular (or unpopular).a personal top list could have some one like 3stacks who has enough body of work to be in someone’s top 5, but some say he doesn’t or some one whom may be felt is an lowkey big influence, like lil boosie or a Gucci n their crazy career/story can be made a case to be in a top 5 list. At the end of the day I guess u gotta be specific on what your asking out of a list to get accurate answers
Okay but who's music has the most replay value out of the 3 🤔
@@drizzledizzle1903 perfectly said. Glad you understood the LeBron analogy. Great debate and talk bro. Music is definitely subjective. As you said with drake you have no choice but to acknowledge or admire greatness.
Cole took a shot a several "rappers" who have a bigger buzz than him based off bells and whistles. The reason that doesn't apply to Drake or Kendrick is bc like Cole they both have actual rap talent, longevity, commercial and non commercial success, and a full catalog of hits.
I been had Cole over Kendrick. I'm happy to be a contrarian. To me Cole's albums can be played start to finish.... I can't do that with Kendrick.
Damn
@@bowlofsup_ I skip songs on that.
Kendrick the better rapper Cole the better songwriter. Like Lupe and Kendrick.
@@MrPiccalo3000 I prefer Cole's rapping AND song writing. idk...
@@MrPiccalo3000 what better written song does Cole have better than these walls or sing about me?
Y’all got some real patience cause i was slapping TF out that damn fly thru my phone lmao
That stress got joe grey hairs fast! bless up king 👑
Parks saying Kendrick being number 1 and cole being number 2 because hes been "artistically" better than drake RECENTLY is crazy.. kendrick ain't dropped in 4 years 🤦🏽♂️
J Cole’s the best of all time.
NAS is good. No doubt he does pop off some real raps.
Cole 1 I'm sorry stop playing da boy be going crazy on dem bars
“Ice when have you”
“Nigga I’m ice”
😂😂😂😂😂😂
What happen to Joe’s beard? Did he finally get that Daredevil part?
Yeah the nigga dared the devil for him to not look like Carlos Boozer no more
@@MannyTwice corny
I knew I wasn’t tripping
Lol 😂 good old days 😔
Cole got the best album of the year
Agreed
I liked Ye album better but Coles was definitely 100x better than CLB
Nah
As of now yeah
It's between The Off Season and King Disease 2 for album of the year. For me personally.
Parks is Walter Kronkit of the interviews. behind the scenes controlling the interview lol
Its levels to machines 💯
Kdot 1 Cole 2 Drake 3 in terms of rapping ability. if youve been into their music since the beginning you already know
K dot says a bunch of nothing.. He's not even close to Cole
@@TheZimbeatz LOL
@@TheZimbeatz just say u dumb and keep scrolling
@@TheZimbeatzpurely factual information. he's just another Eminem.
Lotta good wordplay but nothing in the works for the soul or enlightenment of the people.
Daylyt first drew my attention to this fact.
Cole is 1.. kendrick is 2
Man Nas still dropping classic albums. His last album was better than a lot of new shit out here. Don't sleep on the Goat!
People sleeping on Nas Black Thought and Elzhi
"You said 'Ice, when have you...'. I'm Ice."
Cole x Drake are real-life brothers been a cool with each other for a damn decade both are GOATS and K dot too
The disrespect for Cole here is disgusting. Cole is #1. No question.
Kendrick isn’t even dropping anything how can he be #1. He isn’t even participating. Coles participation is annually, and drake.
To me Kendrick for sure the best but I gotta admit his adsense from the game and Cole consistency got me scratching my head. Consistency got to be a factor when it comes to top 3.
Cole still whipping these ninjas again the secret recipe
Dantonio is an effective coach.. when you can improve team stats with timing then you're just going your job
Gotta actually win a chip I will added the year Amare came off the bench and got suspended they got hoed. But wayyyy to many flame outs In Houston. And NYK!
“No matter where you put Drake in your artist list, your actual artist no what time it is with Drake” Joe made a good point with his sports analogy and when you’re on top everyone comes for your head the hardest..
What does any of that have to do with the quality of drakes raps and music?
@@zanestarrk6891 It means that rappers know that Drake can really rap. Even look at Duppy Freestyle and how he washed Pusha lyrically.
@@joeldeleon292 push had the better diss. Also drake doesn’t rap better than push. There’s a sizable gap between drake and truly elite Lyricist. And that’s without considering ghost writing
@@zanestarrk6891 Push had the better diss cause of gimmicks bro. Bar for bar, who was better? Also, I’m not giving that ghostwriting claim that much credence. I believe he is guilty of stealing flows, which is a big L as an MC, but writing? I believe it’s always Aubrey.
I agree with Ice's take for once lol Kendrick is 1 Cole is 2 and Drake is 3 in terms of Artistry. Drake is number 1 as far as commercial success.
That was Parks take
@@MannyTwice Ice said Kendrick is 1 and Cole is two as well
Drake is 1,2,3 as far as commercial success goes lmao
Agreed
Cole is #1 in terms of lyrics and storytelling!!!
Joe Budden looks Cuban right here
I believe Budden because he did the same thing when Jay Z took Pump it up and rapped over the beat. Joey came right back and murdered the beat again.
I understand drake started out rapping but he's a popstar now and and should not be compared to a j.cole or kendrick. Leave drake out of these comparisons
Champagne Poetry debuted at number 4 and Lemon Pepper Frestyle debuted at number 1. Lol that man is a rapper whether yall love it or not.
Drake tries to conveniently hide behind that Pop shit title cause of the ghostwriting shit. Tha nigga is a Rapper rapper lol he even said “it’s Hov then me”
That man made champagne poetry, the remorse, 7am bridle path, no friends in the industry, you only live twice...etc. y’all hate cuz he’s lightskin and he got your girl singing his songs. Stop being bummy
@@waldo3339 what man you talking about? Quentin Miller or K Shine or the The Weeknd? Lool take those Aubrey colored glasses off boy 🤣
He's both now. Wtf is wrong with using all of his talents.
Numbers don’t mean shit!! When arguing who’s the best if sales mattered then MC hammer & Vanilla ice would b in everyone’s top 5!!! So let’s talk sensibly
Exactly. And Pit Bull and Flo Rida and Wiz Khalifa, but they're not because it's not just about the numbers with Drake. He makes great, quality music every time and has been doing it consistently for over 10 years.
I agree with Parks cuz I literally just said that the other day “are we sure this nigga 3?”
you can't compare art and sports the same. One has a goal where as the other is mostly doing what you want.
Numbers now more than ever are based on popularity not content.
Eh not true
Sales don't mean the same nowadays when you can literally press a button an listen to almost anything you want for relatively free. We're in different times
Am I the only one who be peeping Ice & Parks spicyness lol
J Cole is number 1 🐐🐐….. how is k dot 1 without releasing an album since 5, the bias in this is crazy
Cole, Kendrick, Drake. I put Cole 1 bc he's lyrical, he has hits, he's consistent, and each album gets better and better. I can't say that about Drake and Kendrick, yes both have hits, but drake's albums are sometimes lackluster, and Kendrick isn't as consistent bc he takes more time off. Cole is like the best of both bc he's gonna bring heat and he's not gonna go ghost for as long without giving us heat.
Kendrick is lyrically on par with Cole maybe even better
@@ThoughtOuter cole isn’t even in the same stratosphere lyrically. You need to take basic elementary school poetry classes and English if you even think they are
@@ThoughtOuter I agree at times he's better no lie, he's just not consistent enough, he's 🔥 but then he'll go ghost for 3 years like bro where u at😂 thankfully he's coming and his verses with baby Keem are insane so he might end up back at 1, but Cole ain't less than 2 ever for me🤷🏿♂️
Kendrick , cole, drake . If we’re speaking lyrically and as a hip hop artist.
Cole makes the most surface level lyrical music. He could never get to the depths of TPAB or DAMN, and he’s been trying. KOD did not hit like that
Forcing numbers into the conservation is weird.
“Who is the best” shouldn’t factor in how many other people like them. It’d seem like you’re making other people’s opinions (album sales) a factor in yours, yet also ignoring that certain things have mass appeal outside of rap fan’s opinion. It doesn’t make sense at all.
No matter what year it is, a movie from the Fast & Furious franchise is always going to sell more than a Tarantino movie. What’s the point?
Exactly. And they only us this logic when it come to drake. I’ve never heard them say Eminem was better than jay z because he sold more records. Or that pac was better than biggie because of sales.
@@zanestarrk6891 EXACTLY! Even the concept of numbers being an “objective” axiom, that’s also attaching meaning to numbers that don’t apply.
Also, once you use numbers to debate skill, then you kinda admit they’re not the best.
Coles #1
I don’t understand in hip hop how the masses who aren’t the originators of the music are the trendsetters and taste makers for the music.
How Kendrick number 1 when he ain’t dropped? I believe it’s only fair that he’s at 3 at least until he updates his resume
thats how great the nigga is. His music is forever lasting. Drake has to stay in our faces for a reason. Kendrick doesn't.
Quality over Quantity
We give the number one spot to someone who disappears for extended periods of time. They say the best ability is availability
Quality > quantity
@@longjohn9064 but y'all Kendrick Fans also anoint any project he drops with this imaginary aura of "quality" just cause it takes him 5 and half years to make it. That quality > quantity narrative easily can turn into the perception that a artist ain't dropping cause they scared of being critiqued. I don't think Kendrick as confident in his material if it takes him that long to put out some music and I ain't heard nothing from him that should grant him decades to drop 12 songs while staying in top 3 debates.
Quality over quantity lmaoo you sound like a Drake Stan
Kendrick be on that Kawhi Leonard load management 😅
Bruh Kendrick hasn’t made a bad album yet… since overly dedicated he hasn’t missed yet. Y’all would rather drake release a mid album every year. Hell na bruh, let Kendrick take his time and make another classic.
But you gotta GET TO that level in order to have that 'machine' gentlemen. He wasn't just born with it. 😂
Which freestyle are they referring to?
Cole #1 over Drake and Kendrick!!!
Why is Tiger Woods talking bout J Cole ?
Drake is LeBron. KDOT is kawahi. JCOLE is curry.
And they know it.
Cole then Drake. Kendrick has not done anything in years and when he drop it don't do a bigger impact than Cole. Cole literally evolved with time much like drake except Cole did it longer.
While everyone out here keeps repeating the same names. Us real hip-hop heads are listening too. Che Noir, Ransom, Skyzoo, eTo, Flee Lord, Boldy James, RJ Payne, Elzhi, Cambatta, Common, Westside Gunn, Gift Of Gab, Stove God Cooks, Roc Marciano and Tobe Nwigwe.
Ran have a phenomenal album and we acting like Coles boring ass record was “performing at a higher level”
ROLLS ROYCE BREAKLIGHTS! Stove God is dope. Prodigy's protégé Flee Lord dope! Boldy and the whole Grieselda squad. Preach your shit. That's that grimy hip hop. But if kdot drops, hip hop is gonna listen you feel me?
...You Just Named Majority Of Dudes Without Mainstream Access....LOL....Real Hip Hop Don't Have To Be Completely Underground.....I'm Tired Of This Arguement....
You just named underground rappers lol doesn’t make them any better than the ones with commercial success
I love Gunn but Conway is better
I caught that too. Jermaine was throwing A LOT of subliminals at Drake. Even the showcasing kids for views can easily apply to Drake.
Lol he wasn't doing all that.
@@Musa-ut6ce duality. it could be interpret that way but i dont believe so. Cole doesn't seem petty like Drake honestly
This is a dumb. If Cole had a problem with Drake he wouldn't have invited him to come out at his show. Y'all love trying to instigate beef where there is none
@@rodneyscott5450 keep in mind this is the same J. Cole who dissed Wale on the 2nd verse of False Prophets then hung out with him at a basketball game a few days later.
It's one thing to not be friends. It's another if you are friends but still competitive. And as passive aggressive J. Cole be, this is exactly his M.O. He's cool with Kendrick and Drake, but DON'T appreciate in his mind people may see him behind those dudes. How people focused on those dudes and leaving him out of the discussion. So killing it on someone else's beat, pointing out and differentiate the things that make them more popular and how he's still better than despite the concensus, J. Cole no doubt was throwing shots. The same way Kendrick called out names in Control, it wasn't anything personal but the MC in them had to let it known where they stood.
@@darrellglover493 hmm i like this take
"Old ye" showed up on Donda if only for a rehashed bars
Good point Joe on Kobe