The Watch Seiko SHOULD Have Made......
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
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I really quite like this one. I wish that the bracelet version had been out a few months ago though! Grrrrrr. Why did Seiko take a classic design and make it so bloody unattainable? Thank goodness for the Chinese pirates, eh? Cheers, Jody
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How about offering hexagonal logo on your diver watches instead of writen in line? It would be amazing. I'm sure I'm not the only one with this opinion
@@Incursorious You can customize logo
Can you come up with something original?
@@joeandreis568 Yes,We have added a hexagonal logo version
@@sanmartinwatches It looks beautiful. Thank you!
Been saying (rather: thinking) this for a long time. Maybe one day Seiko will have gotten trough their apparently massive stockpiles of Hardlex. It's mineral glass mixed with Asian herbs. Makes you Stronger! At least their stock of 7S movements seems to be finally drying up...
"If San Martan can do it, why can't Seiko?" Oh... they can. The operative word: Won't.
Yes they can and do, but they will let you pay extra anyways. And that, my friend, keeps the stock holders happy.
@@Ohjeezno They do?? Where?
They do, they just charge much, much more.
Keeping share holders happy? By making a limited edition 1.100 piece run of SLA037 at $6.300? Let's say they sold only 50.000 copies of a lower spec $500 version of this instead - the R&D would even cost a lot less on the cheaper version not to mention the machining/assembly per unit. You do the math!
Never clicked so fast, your equipment to review with are getting more and more professional, really something fresh from other watch channel.
Great watch, great vid Jody. I think we should all feel comfortable wearing this homage watch as it has a Seiko movement and sapphire. You will never get a Rolex homage with Rolex movement.
I love how the crystal distorts the minute track on this version! Really hypnotic when you move it around as they grow massive. Man, too bad the current version doesn’t have this…
In general: I love the Seiko divers, would love a great looking Samurai etc. but for goodness sake Seiko: MAKE SOME OF THEM SMALLER!
you r so right.
all too big.
I love away from Seiko.
the sbdc 051 and 53 are horrible
@@ericarghirudis3462 It always makes me laugh when people say a watch is too big as if they're the perfect size themselves - they never say too big 'for me''.
Fun fact - we come in all shapes and sizes.
@@jollyrob traditionally speaking, the smaller the watch, the more versatile it is. If they made a 40mm diver, with 20mm lugs, and a good L2L distance, you could wear it with suits, Jean's and t shirts, etc.
TirrelI I could claim everything you personally feel a 40mm is ideal for in a smaller or larger watch.
It can depend upon your body/wrist size but at the end of the day it's personal preference so tradition has very little to do with it.
@@jollyrob exactly... i think your mum is 2 big but someone doesn't. Also steinhart 39
They nailed it with this watch for the price... total winner. That would rival a 500-1k Seiko all day every day in terms of appearance on the wrist.
I wonder who good it looks on the bracelet or some leather straps, or a NATO/Zulu
I see this retailer has the Oris Diver 65 homage's as well... But there is a price rise to US440. Makes the San Martin a good buy in the US200 range.
Finally! I got mine customized few weeks ago and i loved it. I use it more often than my seiko watch. Thanks for the recommendation Jody!
At first I was thinking about ordering a Seiko SPB143J1 because I couldnt afford the SLA017. But with my last Seikos I had some QC issues. After looking this video I ordered a San Martin...it looks better in reality than in the video. I am so impressed, that I will order another one.
I've got a couple of San Martin watches, and personally I think, for the price, you can't beat them.
San Martins are no joke.
@@captainmerica2498 They might be on the more expensive end of AliExpress watches... But you certainly get a lot more quality for the money.
Honest Watch Reviews yes sir. But i still think they are worth the penny.
@@captainmerica2498 Absolutely.
I've had this one but with LTM on the dial and lumed bezel. No complaints at all. Worth every penny.
I have the same with sterile dial- lume burns crazy bright!!
I think you nailed the lunacy of the watch community. We'll turn up or noses at a spectacular homage of a watch Seiko refuses to build, but we'd fall all over ourselves racing to pay twice as much for the exact same watch if it said Seiko on the face. 🙄
Beware of this:
After a week of ownership,
the insert not siting flush was bugging me too much
as was the impossibly stiff bezel action.
I fixed those issues, but it was not easy.
I slightly warped the bezel during removal ( but corrected it with great effort).
I absolutely love the watch now!
I was browsing their web site only yesterday. A lot of nice looking watches at great prices, I've been asking the same of Seiko a lot recently with the direction they're taking. Micros are looking a lot better these days! Cheers for another cracking review! 😁
Jody I’ve only ordered this same model 3 days ago! I think they look bloody fantastic! Last week I actually ordered the San Martin bronze “flieger/dive” watch. 200m, auto, sapphire! I’ve already “aged” that using the boiled egg in the plastic zip lock bag & it’s looks amazing! Another great review & a fantastic alternative!👍🏻😎
I previously owned the sterile dial version of this watch and it was excellent. I’ve regretted selling it ever since it left my possession; seeing your video makes me want to get another one!!
Thanks for the review, Jody. I have this watch and love it. The lume is bright and lasts all night. Sapphire glass, ceramic bezel etc... Seiko is definitely slipping but San Martin has got a new consumer with me.
San Martín makes some really good watches for the money, i got the sn064 with the seagull movement before the replaced it with the pt5000, and im really impressed with the quality of the watch.
well put together, solid endliks, solid clasp and really good lume for less than 200.
I just got one today with a sla017 aftermarket dial on it. Really love it. Personally i like it more than my rolex submariner. It is a looker in my collection. Very solid watch. It comes with ceramic lume insert as one of the 2 modified items on top of san martin leading to closer one w sla017.
Seiko DID make the perfect Seiko diver....the SLA017. Problem is they didn’t make enough and they priced it insanely.
He literally said that... but well done sandra sully. Thanks for the late news
I agree on a nice steel bracelet Jody...but that IS a rather nice tropical style rubber strap. Quite nice indeed sir. I am LOVING THIS WATCH the longer this review goes. Lovely and brings me back to...well, sweet old days when things seemed more simple and direct. Thanks Jody always!
Well said couldn't agree, my jaw dropped when I heard that the homage to the 62 Mas was 4K, I thought I heard it wrong. Very displeased to hear that now its official that the SKX is being discontinued, a real shame.
Just got one of these in last week. Exactly the same as in the video. Totally loving it! Great quality, great size, super value, tons of complements already! Can't wait to see how it stacks up against the SLA017!
I paused the video and ordered one. Found it on San Martin Ali Express shop on bracelet for 152 quid (less couple quid new customer voucher) I've been looking for a case to do a new/old diver mod project using OEM seiko parts. This will be perfect. Always good content on your channel but this time you did me a "Braw Turn" as my mum would say. Thanks Jodie :-)
My toughts exactly. Seiko is an absolute garbage with the new releases. They discontinue good watches with sub par versions of them for more or same money. Samurai ain't sharp, "new skx" is now a fashion desk diver, and don't even start with the whole limited edition blue alpinist for 800$. These days Seiko sells watches that offer half of specs of microbrands for twice the money. Hope they wake up or end up sinking
@Wave Dancer Unfortunately for us they seem to actually have discovered marketing over there in Minato. They'll just get less exciting and more profitable.
Don't get me wrong, I really like Seiko watches and I'm just saying it as an owner of couple of them, that i'm disappointed of where the company is going with their new releases.
Just don't buy Seiko.
@@syndicatedsatellite7288 well, it was the first automatic for me... cheap, but automatic.. kind of like gateway drug, but as the knowledge of watches and watchmaking increases, you start to see the flipside of that coin 🤷♂️👍
Where can I find this $800 blue alpinist?
Gave up on Seiko a while ago, they’re taking the piss with their prices now.
Bit late to this party but have just purchased the most recent version of this watch - SM have fixed those gripes re the crown and buckle, mine is on the bracelet and both are now signed. The case back has been changed to the deeply etched shark which looks awesome, and mine also has the lumed ceramic bezel. I paid £210, of all the value watches I’ve seen (and bought) via the JOMW channel this is the best - best looks, best build quality, best pound for pound bang for buck, really a fantastic piece.
At Looong Last Jody! I've been waiting for this review since the last Ali-Express video. I simply LOVE that there are so many quality Automatic offerings available;e to us are really good prices today and folk like you help push out our horizons with your craft.
Wow...that waffle tropical rubber strap...the market grey sunburst and sharply simple design is bang on indeed!
Thanks for reviewing this, Jody. I bought it based on your review, and it's a terrific watch. I ordered it directly from San Martin on the SS bracelet. Everything about it is absolutely impressive. My only small moan or niggle is that the first link in the bracelet doesn't articulate, so it makes the watch sit a little wide on my wrist (55 mm). I can certainly live with that given the overall quality of the watch. Seiko is going down a path I don't appreciate, so as you said, I'll proudly wear my San Martin.
I've never really been into these "Chinese specials" (mostly because of the ridiculous names) but this one has really caught my eye. Thanks for reviewing it before the sale is over - I'm soooo tempted!
3Liter my thoughts exactly. San Martin looks and sounds like a proper watch brand.
Thank you for the review! i just got mine and it's great! Some sharp edges but still very comfortable and easy easy to adjust the bracelet. Thank you J! it is a keeper as the alt 62mas.
I have bought one but the brand is LTM. The logo is a nice applied silver piece. Otherwise it's the same watch. I'm super happy with it. It's such a fantastic toolwatch with strong lume, good movement and a well done case. I wear it quite a lot with a soft military green rubber band
So it's a great well made, beautiful watch, being sold at a fantastic price 🤔, yet people still find a reason to complain because it wasn't made by someone else 🙄
Mine arrived today. As yours but on a rather good bracelet. It has a signed crown, a lumed bezel and an engraved shark on the back. Cost £157, an absolute stunner at a bargain price.
I was contemplating buying one of these, and just swapping the dial out with an aftermarket 62mas dial. Ended up modding my midsize skx to an homage of one instead. Grey sunburst dial, sapphire lumed insert, nh35, box type crystal. I call it my 13mas mod 🤘🏽
Thanks Jody for sharing this watch! Mine just came in and I love it! Great addition to my collection. Keep the great videos coming!
....and now you have the Seestern and it is even better. BTW, for the bigger wristed, the Seiko SBDC053 is a great watch. I had a barely used one, kept it for two years and sold it for a small profit.....beautifully made.
Jody, Seiko is really good at f’ing themselves. And we seem to suffer for it more than they do. And yet, I’m still a fanboy. Go figure. 🤔🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤣
That's because they have such an extensive line that you'll always find other Seikos that are great. How they did the 62mas re-issue bugs me enough to almost swear them off, however. I might even have been willing to pay $4000 for one, but, they made sure that if you didn't jump in soon enough, they'd all be gone. How does that even qualify as a "re-issue"?? I call it a slap in the face to fans.
varanid9 I kind of agree, but I think they were also gauging what the market would bear. There are new 62MAS reissues this year that are even more affordable, although still limited. wornandwound.com/introducing-the-seiko-spb149-or-a-modern-reinterpretation-of-the-62mas-done-right/
Jodie my 62mas came in yesterday, and it looks marvelous came fast to, well I'm going to continue looking at these Chinese watches they seem to be very worth the money.
Jody, we all know they could do it. Seiko won't, because of all the stupid people who will buy anything with a Seiko logo at any price. We, ourselves are to blame.
I've given up on Seiko, they use the same 4R35/6 and 6R15 movements in everything and the newer watches have poor QC. While these movements are great, they're not shouldn't be in watches costing $400 - $1000. Seiko's are now overpriced and I can get a better deal on Swiss Autos on the grey market. Unless they introduce a movement worth it's price tag, I'm never buying another Seiko. I still love my $350 SARB035 though.
I am stupid. I buy Seiko and never regretted it !!! Cheers Bro !!!
This is actually sold on San Martin's Official Taobao shop in China with multiple options.
Firstly, you get a choice of logos, San Martin/LJM/Tiger Shark or having a sterile dial etc.
(Even have the option of a custom logo but you have to engage the seller/San Martin)
Secondly, you get the choice of glass(Mineral or Sapphire crystal) so both versions do exist.
Thirdly, you get the choice of a normal caseback (Depends on which logo you chose) or a custom caseback.
Forthly, you get the choice of strap (Metal/silicon).
The Standard San Martin 62 MAS comes with a Green, Gray and Blue sunburst dial, 316L steel case and C3 Lume, so a great steal.
Their off-shoot/affiliate Sharkey/Heimdallr too sells this 62 MAS Homage with a definite Sapphire crystal.
So if you want to buy this watch and are dead-set on Sapphire, buy it straight from San Martin or Heimdallr and not from the Dropshippers on Ali.
Just ordered one of these from the Aliexpress Black Friday sale for £120. I love its looks.
Beautiful watch! Great pick Jody; look forward to more of your epic bargain finds haha
Hello.
I have bought the blue Version via Ebay today. With Sapphire Crystal and stainless steel bracelet
Seiko is trying to go high end and abandon the mid range quality watch. That’s the only explanation I can come up with. They discontinue the Alpinist only to rerelease it in a more expensive version. Men like me who like watches in the 200 - 300 dollars range may have to switch to another brand like San Martin or Seiko’s sister company Orient in order to get quality.
Seiko's current approach is starting to remind me of Longines - a once great brand.
I am very happy with my San Martin 62mas V2. I have owned the following Seiko models - skx, Turtle, Sumo, Mini-turtle, Sarb035 and Samurai. I currently own the Kinetic Tuna, Alpinist, Tuna Marinemaster 300, and recently acquired the new “baby mm200” SBDC053. My point is running through this list of Seiko’s formerly and currently owned is to lay the groundwork for saying that the quality and finish of the San Martin is as good or better than “real Seikos”.
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Helloooooooooo and good morning!
I'm praying for Floridians! Be safe.
HEIMDALLR Sharkey HimQ also makes the same watch, but includes a full lumed bezel insert. Nice watch.
well not really, quality is bad, has regular spring bars, bezel is really poorly made...had it and willard... really not good...
@@mercifulangel8750 I beg to differ. I must have received a good one because I own both the San Martin and the Sharkey and to me there is no difference in quality.
My Sharky feels top notch, absolutely zero complaints!
Got the San Martin 62mas with a fully lumed bezel when I asked for it when ordering. Think it cost $20 additional, well worth it.
I love the San Martin collection. Especially the 62 Mas. San Martin is really tough to beat them when it comes to value.
Ooh, just seen they do one with a fully lumed bezel, ~£230 on bracelet. 🤔
F Sohail Love the full bezel lume version - seems to be superior to the real McCoy!
@@willardhooton920 I need one in my life. Hope they still do them?
Karlos Think they’re hard to come by these days, but keep a lookout...think it was advertised on EBay as made by Sharky (for what it’s worth) - I have the sterile dial version (came on a nice waffle strap- $200). Good luck👍
I've been looking forward to this review for a while! Thanks Jody!
I'm with you on this one. I'd rather buy the San Martin. The lume is awesome and it looks great on your wrist. It has everything you need in a watch. This homage is definitely NOT garbage!
Hi Jody. This is such a good video. One of your slickest and most informative. Love the way you do the lume test. I own an SLA017 and am now ordering the San Martin as a Beater. I was surprised you didn’t mention the rotating bezel on the Seiko. It’s notoriously loose (in the manual Seiko claim it tightens under water). Anyway. Excellent piece.
Mine turned up today, and it's a seriously good watch. Everything from case to the bezel just ooze quality. You are right, the bracelet is fantastic, and believe me, as good as a bracelet available on watches ten times the price.
wow ive owned a sterile one of these for about a year maybe a bit longer now, totally agree. 62 mas modern interp. i love mine, got a nice thick waffle strap on it.
It is a very interesting watch I would go with the sterile....
Me too, not keen on that San Martin logo
I go sterile every chance I get, I like the pure symmetry!
I am considering sterile with the bracelet and lumed bezel. It appears the sapphire crystal is optional..
Excellent review. Like a lot of Seiko fans, I've always liked the styling of the 62mas. So, after watching this about three times, I've just ordered a San Martin 62mas. Can't wait for it to arrive! I hope Seiko listen to you, Jody. Like you, I have no idea where they think they're going with their current product range.
Hey Jody, how about an 62MAS homage battle between the San Martin and the 54!
I also think owing a 62MAS homage is the exception to the “no homages rule”, especially when it comes with a Seiko movement.
Another great review Jody. There's also a version by Heimdallr which they claim has 300m water resistance and is $169. They have also just launched a Grand Seiko homage. Wonder what that's like?.....
Sandy L Man I’m really curious about Heimdallr after hearing of them here... would love to see a review of that GS homage!
@@arikjohnson412 Personally, I want a comparison between that and the Reef Tiger Grand Reef.
@@arikjohnson412 Me too. Looks but....
I have the blue dial San Martin, the Proxima (himq) black dial and the Merkur 62mas black dial. Sla017 too $$$, sbdc051 to big. They are all amazing but the Merkur is the definite standout and my clear favorite. Better detailing, fit, finish and a matching date wheel. Another excellent video to be followed by F1 Spa Free Practice highlights.👍
Great Video! I just ordered the San Martan with no logo dial and rubber strap.
Hell of a good deal...
Thank you Jody, just got my St Martin delivered and it’s great.
Looking at this model on Amazon, it seems they've significantly improved this product since this video was uploaded:
- new (optional) applied logo
- optional full loom on the bezel
- signed crown
I bought a Heimdallr (same as Merkur, San Martin, Sharkey etc) Tuna homage, and it's great! Sapphire, rock solid bezel action, really nice finishing, NH35, SS bezel insert, pretty nice lume. And all that for $155 shipped via DHL (arrived in 5 days from china!). I bought directly from Heimdallr, they run discounts all the time, and they have a nice selection of homage watches. At this price range, it's the best deal ever.
Yes Jody, Yes I am okay with an outright ripoff of the overpriced SLA.
What about ripoffs of overpriced Daytonas, Milsubs and even Subbies?
@@theoneandonly7213 I am okay with that. They are nice watches but I also look for value for money. If you can get an homage with decent specs at a decent price and you can't afford the real deal, this is the market for homage watches.
I have been waiting for this review! Thx just ordered a blue one!
Finally a side by side comparison and review. I've been aching to buy a San Martin as a "double" to my sla017(sunday watch). At 200 dollars its a steal.
I'll stick to my 1953 blancpain 50 fathoms homage also from aliexpress in the steeldive watch store.All the same features as yours but with that iconic early dive watch look,and just $175.0.CLASSIC!!
Just ordered one more watch. Thanks for the review.
I have checked all the ‘Seiko’ boxes that I care (at this time) to check...an Alpinist, Flightmaster, an SNG, a turtle, a SKX 007 and 009, a Samaria, a Kinetic and a Solar ‘Tuna’...Of late I have been rounding out my collection of Seiko Homages! In search of the homages, that are in my opinion, are better than the reissues that’s Seiko has been releasing...This is one of them!… watches like this have forced me to turn in my ‘Seiko-fanboy’ membership. Thanks for a great review Jody!
I've got one of these with full lume bezel and applied ljm logo. (older logo of San Martin) stuck this baby on a shark mesh, its fighting 1st place in terms of wrist time for me. Mine also has a stiff bezel - perhaps more than yours, it often has to be taken off wrist to turn it properly. Glad to see you like it jody! BTW - if you want more risk and complications, more money can be saving buying this on taobao (you'll need a agent tho)
I bought this... absolutely fantastic watch. Absolutely fantastic
Good stuff mate! Great to hear that.
Seiko are practically asking to be ripped off. I've been almost done with Seiko for a really long time. I might really be this time. Tomorrow.
Hello,
I bought this watch with blue Dial and it’s amazing. I only paid 239,- Euros and was very surprised from the high Quality it offers.
I can recommend it 100 % for sure. You definitely will not regret to buy this really amazing watch.
I have forgotten mine is on the Bracelet.
Also mine has the Shark engeaved on caseback and crown.
Great watch! Had my eye on it for a while and really, really like it. Great review!
Good point, why did Seiko make this watch? I don’t really care about the logo on the watch, myself, I just want a good watch. I’m going to look into that San Marten! Thanks for steering us right Jody! You’re a true friend!!!
I actually really want to get a San Martin in my collection at some point, I’ll continue watching now.
On Taobao, you can actually buy this one with a customised logo for a small surcharge
I just bought one! I hope you’re right
This is my EDC watch. It is the essential classic. A true piece of history. And better than the original. NH35 movement is rock solid and can easily be replaced when needed. Looks amazing on ss bracelet. Thank you San Martin. I chose the sterile dial. I hate advertising on a watch. My next purchase will be green dial with black bezel insert.
I love your reviews! this watch looks absolutely stunning and of great quality. I wonder if it's on sale now during brands shopping week on AliExpress.
San Martin always knocking it out of the park
Awesome video Jody! I think Seiko is still suffering from QC issues and dealer losses at least here in the states. I’m wondering if they’re just trying to stay afloat? If you think about it the separation from Grand Seiko and the focus on designer watches instead of fallowing they’re heritage makes me think Seiko might be in trouble! Maybe if seppuku was still practiced the company would be on track?
What's seppuku?
@@anishabisht4213 Also known as harakiri (literally, "stomach cut"), traditional ritual suicide by slicing open one's stomach...
Almost bought this one, good choice Jody!
I got the San Martin brown flieger with ST2130 high beat movement and it is an amazing quality, a little less than 200$. I'm watching their products all the time.
Great points made in your review! Speaking of sapphire in particular In my own experience; I bought a cheap $20 "June & Ed" :) brand chronograph dress watch WITH FLAT SAPPHIRE! Why can't Seiko get away from their Hardlex and use sapphire in all their watches! I bought a s Seiko 5 field watch that scratched the first week I wore it, and I doubt I'll ever by another Seiko in the future without sapphire. (The June & Ed Chrono is now $59.99 on Amazon)
I'm really tempted to buy this one since I saw this video...
San Martin isn't really a known and trusted brand, but Armida makes a very similar watch called the A12. They're $450, but Armida almost always has a 15% off sale going on around every holiday you can think of.
Gran video Jody! Gracias. Vicent (Spain)
Been waiting for this review, thanks Jody. I just want a 62mas/ SLA017 homage without the crazy price. San Martin is the best 1:1 solution.
Looks great...and a great price.Awesome specs.I noticed the pip isn't perfectly round....that would drive me crazy.
Great video, Seiko are really good at shooting themselves in the foot. Good lookin watch👍
Damn you Jody! Now I have to pickup this one! Definitely a missed opportunity for Seiko.
I just pulled the trigger on this watch but I chose the sterile dial though. Im actually looking at San Martin 6105 homage as well ...200usd I might as well take a punt. Good lume, nh35, sapphire crystal, lume bezel...lol what not to like.
I'm more than happy to wear San Martin. I've got an homage tuna and have been eyeing that same watch u just got for awhile. I've scratched my Seiko itch with an affordable save the ocean. It's a good watch, but no sapphire or ceramic bezel insert.
Why should I pay thousands,which I can't afford and refuse to pay, when I can get a quality Chinese made case with Seiko movement!? Seiko just refuses to upgrade their watches and make them affordable to most everyone when it comes to reissues. They could've upgraded the skx as you've said. Instead they discontinued them, only to reissue them one or two decades down the road for thousands of dollars.
All these guys that say they would never buy a Chinese watch, guess what? Seiko is cased in China and so are some Swiss watches, so why not cut out that huge mark up?
Looks really good I can’t get any more watches at the moment but I really want one 😁
Wasn't aware of this one. Darn... The list is getting awfully long now... Lol... Awesome job. So fun.