Worst Game Graphics Cards - ATi 3D RAGE
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2019
- Retro review of 1st 3D card from ATi named 3D Xpression powered by ATi 3D Rage.
Big THANKS going to F2bnp for english voiceover and commentary editing.
Test in many other games can be found at vintage3d.org/rage.php
You can also see comparsion of 3D Rage cards in Wipeout game at
• 3D Acceleration Compar...
Chapters:
ATi history - 0:50
Tested cards - 8:59
Drivers - 9:42
Not working games - 10:21
Tomb Raider 2 demo - 12:00
Forsaken - 13:27
Carmageddon 2 - 14:35
Half-Life - 15:44
iF22 - 17:23
MDK 2 - 18:57
Unreal - 22:20
Conclusion - 24:16
X demo - 26:02
Tested on:
Intel Pentium III 1GHz, Coppermine
Gigabyte GA-60XET rev. 1, Intel 815EP
2x256MB SDR PC133, Western Digital WD800JB, IDE 80GB
Windows 98SE, resolution 640x480x16bit upscaled to 1920x1080.
Background music:
Navajo Night by Audionautix is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution licence (creativecommons.org/licenses/...)
Artist: audionautix.com/ - Ігри
At least give it props for running Unreal without any broken visuals
I had a one of these, it was fine until Quake came out. After reading about the 3Dfx Voodoo, and learning I could keep the good 2D performance of this card, I picked the Voodoo, paired it with this, and holy s--- was the performance amazing. Suddenly Quake was silky smooth (by the standards of the day). Then Unreal came along, WOW... The Voodoo was amazing. But this card... for 3D it was truly awful. The way I remember it back then, before Voodoo, no one really talked about 3D as much more than a gimmick. You used your PC to work, maybe play some games at 9-frames per second, but if you wanted gaming, you bought a Playstation or Saturn. The Voodoo completely changed that, and very quickly, post-Voodoo the 3D capabilities of everything improved dramatically.
LOL. The anticlimatic outro with the X demo is actually the highlight of the video. The fact that it can play that is more impressive than anything else it was put through.
I know it's called a 3d card but it was really a good 2d card.
I had one of these for 2d and a 3DFX for 3d and that was a great combo.
If you need 2D, get an S3 ViRGE (any). Way better support.
Matrox Millennium and Matrox Millennium II were my preferred 2D cards for Voodoo/Voodoo II back in the day. Not exactly cheap at that time, but outstanding 2D performance and quality.
@@Dr.W.Krueger Yep
we want more videos like this, thank you!
Speaking to an engineer about this chip previously was that the 3D interface was done by a small team in a different office, but was contingent on the 2D aspect of the card. You would have to go through the 2D accelerator to get to the 3D features.
@@gves2 wow that is impressive. I mean, Ati cards weren't that good, but certainly there were worse cards in the market, for ex. S3 Virge, SiS 6326, and many more I cannot remember now. :)
Most of the early 3D cards did not make sense (rendition V1000 was an exception), and when 3Dfx arrived it was the only card that made sense buying until TNT arrived.
I love how you go in-depth in explaining the history of ATi here, but I have to admit it is like nails on chalkboard to hear you pronounce Mach as "Mac" instead of "Mock" as it should be. Mach is a reference to high speed, intended to be reminiscent of, or associated with "very fast."
I like this comparison videos, to see directly the quality and performance of each graphic chip. 👍
When I was a child, I really regretted that I bought ati rage 3d ii instead of et6000+voodoo1. And I wanted to punch on PC seller's face. Rage 3d ii was much more expansive than that combination in Korea.
What I loved about those ATI cards is the standard support by nearly every OS and they were really cheap.
back in the 90s I never imagine ATI surviving and 3DFX and Rendition dying........I did not even imagine Nvidia making it since their first card was absolute garbage and it failed spectacularly the only good thing is that it could play some Saturn games. Crazy how things turned out but I wish we had more than two GPU makers so things would be cheaper
NVIDIA NV1 was a trashfire card. It was mediocre at the time but when new cards came out the short lifespan was realized. In a surprise plot twist, RIVA 128 was far better. It outmatched the Voodoo 1 in performance at the time and coped better in the long run due to Direct3D and full OpenGL support, along with having both 2D and 3D acceleration. The final drivers by NVIDIA certainly made it a better choice over the outdated Voodoo 1. NVIDIA Riva 128 card started the end of 3dfx’s total domination as it was the most competitive card to Voodoo 1. When 3dfx released Voodoo 2, NVIDIA would then release the TNT which had more features
@@theobserver4214 remember playing battle arena toshinden on a NV1 and it looked like the PS1 game. I remember getting a Voodoo Graphics (voodoo 1) and being blown away. locked 30fps with really good resolution
@@theobserver4214 sorry , but Riva 128 was not FAR better. You clearly don't know, what CPU scaling was. Riva 128 had greater only Maximum possible FPS, but for that, you've needed unrealisticaly fast CPU of the time (end of 1997). In other words, it's maximum performance was achieved only on something, like Pentium II 300, which costed over 1000$. Even Pentium 233 MMX was not enough, to max out Riva 128.
Now, most of the people were on 486 DX2/66- DX4/100... or lower pentiums, 75,90,100, 120 or 133. Or AMD K5-75-150 (Which was cheaper), or very new K6 (166-233), which was still too expensive, although Cheaper than Pentium MMX.
This was like 80% users. Only really rich people could have Pentium 166-200, or Pentium 166-233 MMX, or even Pentium II 233-300, or Pentium Pro.
On anything slower than Pentium 166, voodoo1 had greater performance, than Riva 128. It could be even +20% or +30%.
So voodoo1 was STILL recommended to most users, after Riva 128 was released, and also in the whole september 1997- december 1997 era, which was, even Riva 128 was in it's Prime.
But voodoo2 was already announced, to march 1998, so noone was encouraged to buy overpriced Riva 128, unless he was superrich, and had Pentium II 233+ system.
Voodoo had also support in Glide games, which was big advantage. Also, thanks to ability to choose 2d card, you could have better image quality. Image quality on Riva 128 or first TNT1, sucked, and was behind common solutions of the time... Matrox cards, Ati cards and S3 cards.
All in all, voodoo1 was still better card during sept 1997 - march 1998 era. Glide was a thing in that time, and many games supported it, and there was several Glide - only games.
Voodoo1 had Direct3d, openGL, and Glide support. Unmatched, sorry to tell you.
So what was Riva 128 good for?
Only thing... first AGP card (PCI Riva 128 was garbage, you can check historical reviews, it was always 20% behind AGP Riva 128, and was not recommended to buy, it was same fast or slower, than voodoo1 even with strong CPU... the reason for it, PCI version had probably cut down 64-bit memory bus) had greater maximum possible FPS over voodoo1, when good CPU was used (meaning Pentium II 233+, as you've needed AGP for it).
That's it. No other advantage, and even for this, you have to be super rich, to afford new LX motherboard and at least Pentium II 233 mhz.
So you've NEEDED AGP system for Riva 128 to shine (Intel LX motherboard Slot 1 - they were new and OVER expensive) and OVER expensive Pentium II CPU.
Dude... most people were on cheap socket 7 mobos, and there, they usually had Pentium 133 or just upgraded to 166 MMX. And with that setup, voodoo1 was MUCH cheaper option, and had BETTER performance, even up to +30% more FPS. And as bonus, nicer 2D image quality, and Glide support.
@@theobserver4214 Just find toms hardware archive
the review is called: The REAL Thing - GLQuake and Quake II (GL) Performance of 3D Accelerators
(page 3 out of 5)
it's from november 1997 (in tomshardware archive, you can find it too).
you can see, both in GLquake and Quake 2, even pentium Ii 300 is not enough, to max out riva 128 performance, and it's only same fast as voodoo1 (particulary after overclocking, voodoo1 could be still overclocked, while on Riva 128, you didnt get any performance by overclocking, when CPU was bottleneck.). Also you can see, Riva 128 PCI had inferior performance to voodoo1 there.
On K6 233 (about Pentium 200 MMX performance in 3d games), you can see, voodoo1 SMASHED riva 128 , even AGP version, by 45 fps vs 30 fps (so it's not even +30%, but almost + 50%).
Ripped it out.
*voodoo1 was up to 50% faster than Riva 128* on anything slower than highend (Pentium II 233 - Pentium II 300+ or overclocked Pentium II 300 @ 337 or higher (on best LX motherboards))
Your wish was granted :D We have 3 GPU manufacturers now (GPUs are still expensive as f**k though, in fact somehow they got even more expensive, even with Intel joining the race).
Was very happy to find out new video. Little bit sad that rage 2 isn’t present and compared against Voodoo, but it is one of the best channels about such thematic.
Thanks for doing coverage on things like this, I was looking for something about the growing pains of 3D acceleration. :) I remember reading about that one in PC Gamer, the cards below 4MB always seemed to struggle as most of the games had no way of reducing texture space to fit that size. I could criticize it's lack of critical hardware features but mainly it sucks that it couldn't even run at 24-30fps when at 320x240 since that should have helped. :(
great video man keep it up
Great video. Nice history.
great video, thanks!!
whats with th thumping my sub woofer is going nuts even on the lowest setting.
That background music is haunting
Why only so few views? What an excellent video!
I bought a Mach64 PCI in late 1995 because it supported YUV video acceleration in hardware, which not many other cards did at the time. It made a huge difference. AVIs on CD magazines or CDi/VCD were a new thing around that time.
Yay! Carmageddon soundtrack has arrived! :D
nice! i'm surprised it could even run unreal without glitching out, respect for that.
I was surprised about that too. The framerate is of course to be expected, however to get a decent picture was surprising.
Wow . . this was exactly the setup I had late 90s :-)
A Rage2 and a Voodoo1
I did get better game support back in the day though . . even with no internet
Although watching this video I remember why I spent my hard earned (paper route) cash on a Voodoo 1
This video is not about rage II, it's about rage 1st generation, different card
Do you remember what driver version you were running here? In Power Strip, the “Engine clock” setting isn’t available to adjust on my IBM Aptiva with integrated Rage I chip.
Ive had this card, but some multimedia version that had video input. I remember it glitching on various games and creating artifacts. Edit: I think it had issues with Interstate 76
автор видео проделал огромную работу. смотрю не первое видео от него.
в 90е, когда я был школьником, у меня только была возможность рассматривать красивые коробки на витринах магазинов, с этими картами. и разумеется я даже не представлял насколько печальное железо тогда стремительно появлялось и пропадало на рынке...
Just an heads up, you pronounce it, "MAWK" like when a Jet goes Mach 2, it doesn't go Mack 2, or Mac 2. Like Bawk, like a chicken, but with an M sound. Not Mac like a Yak. Other than that small little gripe, fantastic video.
@Stadium ARTs "Just an heads up, you pronounce it, "MAWK" like when a Jet goes Mach 2, it doesn't go Mack 2, or Mac 2. Like Bawk, like a chicken, but with an M sound."
It's definitely not pronounced like that. The ch is a german sound, like you are hocking up a loogie, like in achtung.
Огромное тебе спасибо за проделанную работу, было очень интересно!
now im curious what i have in my 286 commodore pc i know its a ati card but what model
Really interesting card, shame it is so limited. Also, why is the X demo playing Tomb Raider music?
it's not so limited, you need just 4MB version. :) but that was much more expensive , thats true, it was wasted money, as it was better to pay more for voodoo1.
He often ran out of memory on card, that's why so much games glitched.
I suspect even those 3d benchmarks need at least 4 MB video card, to at least run.
Same for incoming, and 1998 3d games (or later)
The cards were called Rage because gamers were raging when they try to play somethong on them
23:50 But at what fps does it run on a Pentium 166/200 in SW mode at 640x480? Because that's the CPU it would be paired with. The 3D Rage might even be accelerating! :)
I have a 350MHz PII in my Dell that also has one of these integrated into the mobo. I'm now wondering if it's gonna be a bottleneck.
This was a budget card. If you had a fancy REAL Pentium, you probably had something like a Matrox card, that was marginally better, or whatever came in the OEM box you bought. If you had this card, you most likely had something like a AMD K6 166 or a Cyrix 5x86 133. Also none of the rich kids who I knew who had Pentiums were doing any sort of upgrades.
But does it run Crysis? ))) Great video!
The lack of a Z buffer wasn't that bad. The PS1, Saturn and N64 (in some games) were good without one.
PSA 18:57 is original MDK, not MDK 2.
Had the same dotty artifacts with Rage 128 and instantly sold it for NVidia Riva TNT ...
i bought 15 of these in high school to go on the computers in my A+/Cisco networking class so we could play quake III and Counter strike 1.6 on LAN. i also still run one of these, in my macintosh performa 6360cd. i was running benchmarks on the Rage 128 just the other week. did you know that when paired with a 877Mhz G4 PPC CPU - the rage is just 10 or so % slower than the CPU in work station benchmarks and quake III fps rendering.
Wow... thank goodness my first card was a Rage 128 and a Voodoo2.
I started with the ATI rage in 1999
@@deathzone4046 I've started with Rage II (4MB). it was disapointed, but now I'm finding out, it was my ignorance and lack of wisdom, that I didnt know to update drivers, and run 3d games (or get special 3d patches). So we used it only as 2D card, till voodoo2 (in late 1998).
Then, we had classical combination Rage II 4MB for 2D + voodoo2 for 3D.
Advantage of Ati Rage cards was quite good image quality, second best to Matrox. So it was not bad combination.
I just got a computer with it and you are right. Horrible card. It even fails to work properly on non 3d accelerated games like destruction derby.
Had that issue on my ATi Rage 3D :-) thought it was cause I only had 2MB version
These videos should be on a separate tech channel
One of the biggest reasons (besides performance, obviously) for the Voodoo's almost immediate success was that it just worked. We had grown so tired of bullshit from video card manufacturers and here comes a card that works flawlessly all the time, everything with a Glide mode worked perfectly and of course the hardware was very capable with nothing else coming close for a long while.
ATI were really disappointing since their 2D cards were pretty good, same goes for Matrox. They bullshitted their way through the mid-late 90s as far as 3D though. Even Rage2/Pro was basically bullshit, they weren't worth considering until the Radeon.
S3 trio3D was similar crap to this. I had to finish HL on it back then
good^^.
제가 사용하던 카드입니다.
3d 기능은 없다고 생각하면 좋지요
It took to the Rage 128 for ATI to get along.
That's not quite right. The Rage Pro cards were pretty good actually.
unfortunately the original 3D Rage is now very hard to get. all the listings on ebay are 3D Rage II... :S
because it was overpriced, and in half-year, subsituted with rage II version, which was considerably better.
It also dropped prices quickly, after Matrox released Mystique, and 3dfx voodoo. So that's why most people bought it as low cost solution, in that time, most of the chips from ati on market were Rage II. When Ati released Rage Pro in 1997, it even cut down prices more, for Rage II. I would say , 90% of bought Rage cards, were Rage II, Rage II+DVD or Rage IIc. Not Rage 1 .
I have the ati wincharger whit fully populated memory
AMZN time 😊 rage 1mb my 1st card, carmageddon HL quake 3 UT NFS 3 🎉
My first graphics card was an ATI All-in-Wonder which used a Rage IIc. Believe me, it wasn't much better than the original 3D Rage in my opinion. It would only play ONE game and that was the copy of MechWarrior2 that came bundled with it. As far as 3D gaming was concerned, it was a paperweight. Also, the drivers were incredibly buggy even by Win95 standards.
but it was superb at dvd video playback seriously when i bought a dvd player in 1999 it was the only card that could play them super smooth including geforce ddr or voodoo 3
3dfx voodoo 1 dont support Direct3D, only support Glide and OpenGL.
Wonder how the card would have done with 4mb
There was a 4mb and an 8mb version of the card. This video is not a fair comparison, hence 2mb vs. 4mb.
@@moeschizlac It newer was. 4 and 8MB versions were with 3DRage II and +DVD, which were updated chips. They will be covered too, just don't know why. I had not better clocked SGRAM models.....recently i got one 4MB SGR card....
@@moeschizlac I owned the 4mb version (3d Xpression + PC2TV) which was coupled with a Pentium 166. This card was a real disappointment at the time. I never managed to run a single 3d game. I had to buy a 3dFx Voodoo 1.
12:08- hello.
at tomb raider 2, you've ran out of memory. You need to lower resolution, or turn of Z-buffer, particulary tripple buffering is important to turn off in setup.
That white non-textured polygons are typical problem of TR2, when graphic card runs out of memory (for textures).
I've tested Tomb raider 2 with Rage II+DVD 2MB, yes, it's Rage II, not Rage, so little bit better, but tomb raider ran "good" (like it was playable).
I've needed to set 640x400 (not 640x480) resolution, turn of triple buffering. Not sure about Z-buffer.
But with 512x384 or 400x300, you can play even with Z-buffer.
This card is more suitable to compare with S3 Virge or Matrox Millenium\Mystique, not with Voodoo.
Mystique was not competition to Virge or Rage. It was competition to Rage Pro.
The only (big) flaw it had, was it was missing bilinear filtering. So games looked kinda like in software mode, pixelated. But they were much more faster, and be able to run it in 16-bit color mode.
Thanks to missing bilinear filtering , that takes up lots of frame per seconds, in benchmarks, it often was showing good results (but other cards had bilinear filtering, which caused performance hit).
Still, it was without filtering almost as fast as voodoo1 (with filtering)
Unreal... Just wow! I don't think it deserves half of a star. It should get at least one star. Or 3/4 if a star.
Would be interesting to see bundled games
Try the ddr4 1030
two radeon x1900 xtx connect via crossfire cable to ati mach64gt on motherboard with intel core 2 quad qx6700 conroe processor install windows xp professional then computer game half life 2 will run normally with high graphics settings
I know that Card, as ATI VIDEO Expression.
Wow, I can't decide if watching this video was a complete waste of my time or not. But considering you put the usual big effort into producing it (just to give it half a star!) then I suppose I learned a thing or two. I've got an Aptiva somewhere...
Warhammer: Dark Omen mentioned! Great game, and pain in the ass to run on modern PC, somewhat made easier by dgVoodoo. Great video, shame 3D Rage is such a trainwreck
I've been looking for this card for a year and never seen any, not even on eBay. Why is it so rare? 😀
OEM only sold in few premade computers. I think it never went on market as standalone card. That happened with RAGE II, which is much more common. Also sold only few months.
It's Mach as in Mock.
The only thing in common with how you pronounce mach and mock, is that they both start with M. Otherwise they have nothing in common.
i have integrated ati 3d rage pro agp 2x chipset its runs max payne and also it can launch gat 3 ,vice city and igi 2 and also gat vice city so its great chipset i dont thnik is as worst
Ati 3D Rage Pro is completely different beast which come as 3rd ATi 3D chip a year later. This one reviewed is 1st one. And yes Rage Pro is comparable to Voodoo 1 or Riva 128, but this one in review not....
Ah yes 3D de-accelerator
0:00 - Hahaha
Nice video. Verry usefull information about the cards. But some ticking sound in (mostly the beginning) de video made me stop watching it. Sorry.
3D deccelerator
měl jsem ATI Rage 128pro :)
Hey let’s lookup my first very own video card on youtube that be fun!! ....... “worst graphics video card...” 😭😤😭😭😭😭
iiiish the background music in this video is horrible
Dont mention Crysis anymore fkin Jensen ruined that one
cyberpunx fool bugk$ v v
Not mac. MACH. Do you say Back or BACH. OCK OCK MOCK say MOCK then you have MACH. Damn dude. Are you new to English?