Talib Kweli & The D.O.C. On Death Row, N.W.A., Erykah Badu, 2Pac, Dre, Snoop | People's Party Full
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2022
- In this episode of "People's Party With Talib Kweli," Kweli and Jasmin Leigh sit down with rapper and writer:
THE D.O.C.
Here's what we got into:
• What it was like for The D.O.C. growing up in Dallas, Texas as an aspiring emcee.
• How 'The Formula' pays homage to Run from RUN DMC, KRS-One, Slick Rick and Rakim.
• His original group The Fila Fresh Crew that he came up with in Dallas.
• How he met Dr. Dre when he was still with the World Class Wrecking Crew.
• His experiences working with Eazy-E amid the early days of N.W.A..
• The immense impact of Ice Cube's influence on the culture.
• D.O.C.'s feelings about hip hop being at a fork in the road.
• The car crash that damaged his voice following the release of his debut album.
• The cop that pulled him over and let him drive away while intoxicated.
• Snoop Dogg helping him out by getting him in voice therapy.
• The unique blend of influences that The D.O.C. brought to the table.
• A line from ' The Grand Finale' that Talib won't ever forget.
• D.O.C.'s importance to 'The Chronic' and why he rarely listens to the album.
• Snoop giving D.O.C. the gift of letting him live through his voice.
• Leaving Ruthless and choosing to stay out of the beef between Dre and Eazy.
• Why D.O.C. found jail time easier than studio time at Death Row.
• Snoop walking the line of a real one that doesn't need to flex.
• Moving to Atlanta and feeling indebted to MC Breed for taking him in.
• Drawing comparisons between D.O.C.'s 'Secret Plan' and Talib's 'Give 'Em Hell'.
• 'Deuce' originally intended to be released under the name of rapper 6Two.
• Knowing Erykah Badu since childhood, reconnecting and forming a relationship.
• Finding out he has some acting chops when he landed a role in 'Gasoline Alley'.
• Looking to 2Pac for his inspiration as a rapper turned actor.
• Being jealous of LL Cool J back in the day and Rakim changing the game.
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TIME STAMPS:
3:21 -- The city of Dallas, Texas gets a shout out at the top of the show as they discuss what it was like for The D.O.C. growing up there as an aspiring emcee. They go on to talk about who he came up listening to that impacted him the most. D.O.C. tells how much Run from RUN DMC, KRS-One, Slick Rick and Rakim are ingrained in his DNA and details how his song 'The Formula' pays homage to them. He also speaks on his original group The Fila Fresh Crew that he was part of before moving to LA and explores the story of how he met Dr. Dre when he was still with the World Class Wrecking Crew.
8:47 -- D.O.C. gets into his experiences working with Eazy-E amid the early days of N.W.A. and speaks on Eazy not being the most talented but having a presence and persona that preceded him. They discuss the importance of D.O.C.'s addition to N.W.A. and how those days were some of the happiest times of his life. He is also asked about the importance of Ice Cube's influence on the culture, and they discuss Public Enemy's impact on N.W.A., gangster rap versus reality rap, and D.O.C.'s feelings about hip hop being at a fork in the road.
14:30 -- D.O.C. speaks on the car crash that damaged his voice following the release of his debut album 'No One Can Do It Better'. He gives his spiritual take on what happened and tells how he found out years later that the crash itself wasn't what destroyed his voice box, but rather mistakes made during treatment. They go on to talk about the cop that pulled him over and let him drive away while intoxicated that night and the days leading up to the crash of his binging on weed, alcohol, ecstasy, and cocaine during the video shoots for 'The Formula' and 'Beautiful But Deadly.'
19:49 -- D.O.C. tells how Snoop Dogg helped him out by getting him in voice therapy, allowing him to speak normal at times and also reveals he has a documentary in the works that he's excited about. They go on to discuss the unique blend of influences that The D.O.C. brought to the table being an East Coast influenced Texas rapper, relocated to LA. Talib gives his take on how the song 'Funky Enough' encompasses that and D.O.C. goes on to tell how he had to beg Dre to use the sample for that record and how the lyrics were pieces of freestyles thrown together.
25:16 -- D.O.C.'s legendary posse cut 'The Grand Finale' featuring N.W.A. is brought up and Talib recites a line of Eazy's from the song that was unforgettable. They go on to talk about D.O.C.'s importance to 'The Chronic', with his co-writing credits for half the album. He talks about why he rarely listens to those songs anymore, back then being determined to see Death Row succeed, and Snoop giving D.O.C. the gift of letting him live through his voice. They also discuss when he started to realize the shady business practices of Ruthless Records, him, and Dre's decision to leave and D.O.C. choosing to stay out of the beef between Dre and Eazy.
31:26 -- Talib brings up a conversation he had with an engineer who told him stories about getting smacked around while working at Death Row and D.O.C. explains why jail was easier for him than studio time at the Row. They discuss the prison culture that surrounded the camp and how that environment made it a difficult place to grow as a person. They also get into how Snoop walks the line of a real one that doesn't need to flex and D.O.C. gives his take on how the culture changed forever when artists started putting the mighty dollar over everything else.
35:26 -- D.O.C. is asked about his move from LA to Atlanta in 1995 and what brought him there. He talks about all the reasons he wanted to leave Los Angeles, being inspired by what Outkast was doing in Atlanta, and how his good friend MC Breed was the one that put him on a plane to get him there. They get into the abundance of black unity in the ATL at that time, how indebted he felt to Breed for taking him in, how much he misses him since his passing and D.O.C. opening his documentary with a dedication to Breed.
39:45 -- D.O.C.'s 1995 album 'Helter Skelter' is brought up. They discuss the song 'Secret Plan', draw comparisons to Talib's song 'Give 'Em Hell', and get into Talib's criticism of religion while remaining spiritual and a believer in God. D.O.C. goes on to tell how a close friend gave him some gems he needed to let go of the past. They also talk about how his third album 'Deuce' was originally supposed to be released under the name of rapper 6Two and D.O.C.'s part in trying to shine a light on aspiring Dallas rappers with 'The D.O.C. presents Funky Productions Vol. 1'.
46:58 -- D.O.C. is asked about his long history of knowing Erykah Badu, both being Dallas natives. He tells the backstory of the two originally meeting each other as teenagers while hanging out at a Dallas skating rink. Badu at the time going by MC Apples, in a group called the Def Ones while D.O.C. was rolling with the Fila Fresh Crew. He tells about how their reconnection at Russell Simmon's Hip Hop Summit led to a friendship that evolved into a 5 year-long relationship and them having a daughter together. He also talks about how close they still are today.
52:19 -- D.O.C. speaks on finding out he has some acting chops when he landed a role in the 2022 film 'Gasoline Alley' and talks about how he looks to 2Pac for his inspiration as a rapper turned actor. They go on to discuss D.O.C.'s feeling of his documentary being something of a rebirth for him, being involved in a musical shot in Australia, and having a small part in the HBO sports-drama series 'Winning time'. D.O.C. also gets into why he was jealous of LL Cool J back in the day and how Rakim changed the game and raised the bar for him as well as every other emcee when he arrived on the scene.
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la haine que l ons semes on fini par la reprendre en pleine face surtout dans le coeur des enfants ...!
qui est big...!
IMO- 'Murdergram' off the Mama Said Knock You Out LP was Marley/LL answer to DOC/Dre 'Portrait of a Masterpiece'
Please remember to always make the closed caption feature available to viewers. I'm hearing impaired and cannot make out what people are saying without them, especially the DOC and his unique voice.
The Formula:
High energy - Run
Flowin' with the wisdom - KRS-One
Sense of a rich man - Slick Rick
Knowledge and the rhythm - Rakim
What a dope breakdown, and it makes perfect sense
🔥🔥💯🔥🔥
He's said that was his perfect Mc. Those were the traits of what he feels is the perfect Mc. DOC is a legend in hip-hop West Dallas King
What’s more ill is the next bar…
“This is what I’m using to come up with a style..”
He dropped that jewel so effortlessly.
This shit just fucked me up. Hidden in plain sight!!!
@Jahrell Delgado Right On!
DOC has NEVER given a bad interview...from Sway to Steve-O to Talib. Thank you for another amazing interview of my favorite rapper.
no traitre
He's the underrated champion
Even to Fat Mike from NOFX lol
"No One Can Do It Better" is ABSOLUTELY one of the best hip hop albums ever. Top to bottom it's straight fire, and the D.O.C.'s flow and lyrics were unmatched.
Bro the cd 💿 is a straight classic on my playlist
In my top 6 bc it's a great album and it's one of the albums that made me pay attention to hip hop.
I could do without Beautiful But Deadly, but sometimes i just let it ride..
I calmed down this year, but 2021 I played the fuck out of The Formula. If I had a top 3 songs that's definitely one of them.
The album spoke true to its name..
To hear him try to talk with his true voice almost brought a tear to my eye. God bless the D.O.C.
You soft ASF
I cried when he was supposed to come to joe Louis arena in detroit Michigan and that Friday before the show it was announced that trouble t Roy was killed during rehearsals and The Doc was in the car accident.
Then I cried when yo MTV raps did tragedy of a lyricist a whole show about The Doc
@@B.Piercesports you niggas are soft ASF
R-yhtmic
A- Merican
P-oetry
The D.O.C coined the word rap beautifully!
Rythmic
Still bumping No One Can Do It Better!!!!! Classic!!
Heck yeah brother, my 10th grade year lol💯✊🏽
Hell yeah !!!
Classic album 💯💯
Helter skelter as well underrated album he made
It has actually gotten better over the years
This might be one of the most important interviews I’ve heard from hip hop in a long time. Sure, I was aware of many things the DOC has spoken about but to hear him articulate it in such detail is powerful. Shout out to you guys for asking great questions and setting the table. The culture
The DOC is like The Bo Jackson of Hip Hop, He was a Double Threat as a Writer and a Performer, Highly skilled but his career was unfortunately cut short due to Injury ( Just like Bo ) . Back in 89, I wore his album out , He was the FIRST MC outside of NYC who could legitimately compete with the lyricists of NY in terms of execution and flow. The DOC is as Talented as any Artist in the history of Hip Hop and one of the unsung heroes to the rise of West Coast prominence. To me He was a blend of Big Daddy Kane and LL Cool J in Raiders and Kings gear. Salute to a True force of the Game !
damn, thats deep and true.
His career wasn’t cut short at all. It simply changed a little, but he’s made huge contributions in Hip Hop. Ask Snoop just how much the D.O.C. mentored him and helped make him one of the biggest names in the history of Hip Hop. He made all kinds of contributions to other artists on Ruthless Records and Death Row Records, and more. With the track record of his career it could be argued that it was just getting started AFTER the accident.
I met the DOC waiting for the shuttle-bus at Universal Sudios Hollywood. I'm waiting with my ex-girl and her son. I hear this voice in the background and automatically knew whose voice it belonged to. I was so in awe of his presences and he was so friendly, humble and down to earth. He gave me just as much respect as I gave him. I really appreciated that from him and I would say that he is one of the coolest men that I've ever met. God bless you Tracy Curry (DOC).🙏🏾
Always some 🧢ass stories in the comments
@spizikesplahsh5371
I have no reason to lie to yo punk ass about meeting The DOC. Idiots like you always gotta make negative comments about what people experience.
5 minutes in and he said something amazing. The opening to the FORMULA & who he was talking about. 🤯
This dude is wise. The way he describes things is amazing.
Biggest tragedy in Hip Hop history. This dude wud have been bigger than Snoop Dogg with his excellent voice.
I dont know about bigger than Snoop. Part of Snoops success is his image and personality. In terms of skills, yes the D.O.C. excels there and in my book his album is a classic. But he had the lyrical prowess of a Rakim. He'd be in that category perhaps...a great M.C. but probably not the star power of Snoop
No shade on snoop, but dre wouldn't have even been looking for an mc.
Facts.
I feel he was the biggest upset. He was like the Rakim of N.W.A. His flow was nice
@@ri067953 btw. He taught snoop how to write a song
God Bless The D.O.C.! One of the greatest rappers ever! D.O.C. and Slick Rick are the two guys who had their careers abruptly stopped at the pinnacle of their careers. They were so great that their 1st albums have carried them for over 30 years and made them legendary. In the words of the D. O. C. It’s Mind Blowin! 🎶💯✌🏽🎶
This was a great interview! Love seeing DOC getting back in the limelight! Can’t wait to check out the documentary!
D.O.C. AND RAKIM ARE THE ONLY EMCEES THAT CAN GIVE YOU BARS WITHOUT CUSSING
The best rapper to ever come out of Dallas.
YELP
One of the only rappers to come out of Dallas... On the national stage.
Word!
Hands Down
I love the D.O.C and No One Can Do It Better album. It's one of the greatest hip hop albums ever!
It's so good to see D.O.C.!!! You have no idea how influential you are Bro. One of the dopest MCs of all times. Know that you are eternally inspirational. You are The Formula. You're still Mind Blowing. Keep shining Bro.
I grew up with a heavy NYC bias and then I heard 'Whirlwind Pyramid'...allowed me to get into some dope artists outside of the NYC Boom Bap sound.
26:42 He spoke to me! There are long periods of time of my life where I did some 'ish I can't be proud of looking back on it now. I think more rappers and young Black men know that feeling with age, maturity and increased self-awareness. Right on for speaking your truth!
Hearing this guy's album after a long time when I got into hip-hop, I was blown. Not just flows on Dre's production but he had the rhymes and the lyrics plus how versatile he was schemes. Dude put a stamp which would never be wiped. Amazing.
No One Could Do It Better has to be the most perfect rap album ever created. D.O.C is definitely in the pantheon of hip hop.
Brilliant interview, my favorite so far. Thank you for giving the D.O.C his props.
Damn I can remember banging his album in my 86 Cutlass with the Kicker speakers back in the day. Damn man it's good to see that he's in good health and spirits 🙏🏾. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Did you let the bass go????
I remember hearing his album play someone's car,that mfer was beating hard ASF. At that time I was to young to purchase my own music,so I said one day I'ma get that album and man when I did I was hooked. One of the albums ever recorded much love to the D.O.C 💯💯
I'm so glad Talib feels the same way about The D.O.C. as I do!
DOC is such a good guy, and he will actually interact with fans on social media. Down to earth man.
huh, another one of my favorite lyricists, DOC; great interview. love hearing from my musical Heroes. Thanks Talib
A beautiful interview! DOC is a real dude!
This might be the best interview y’all have done and that’s saying something .
D.O.C. Living legend king of the South
DOC had the best rhymes and style since Rakim and he had the best voice in the game
Listen to No one can do it better it's still amazing!
The D.O.C is a bonafide legend. Salute!!🔥🔥🔥💥
The most important, amazing interview I've seen. We needed this. The most important emcee in hip hop. The most influential in my life. The Diggy diggy DOC yall'. Thank you The Peoples Party.
One of my all-time favorite emcees, it’s the diggy diggy D.O.C., y’all!
Still love this dude and all the magnificent contributions he has brought to Hip Hop. God bless The D.O.C.
You can tell he's a student of Rakim. No curse words at all on " no one can do it better".
As a teen, my 1st personalized license plates read FNKY NF...D.O.C. is a certified legend. The "No One can Do it Better" album ruled the Saint Louis streets the summer it came out...before the $500 tickets for loud music. It's great to know The Creator + his real friends stayed true and let him continue to contribute his genius to the music world and to the world itself.
This was a amazing interview, I wish nothing but the best for DOC. He’s a true inspiration and living testimony that if you believe, you can achieve. Salute 🫡
Wow! Thank you for that interview. Gems dropped the whole time. With Dre behind him, there was telling where he would be on the list. Even after one album, he still has a spot on it. I love that Breed helped him during his difficult time. Even though he was from Flint, being from the Detroit, we still claimed him as one of ours. D.O.C. produced my favorite song The D.F.C. album, Digga Bigga Ditch, great song. Much props from the D. R.I.P. Breed
First legendary MC to actually listen to my project. And actually talk to me about what he heard. Love 🙏🏾
Love the DOC man.. his honesty is beyond real! His journey and explanation from a legend is super dope! MY GUY! #215salute
I was able to meet and talk with D.O.C myself me and my group M.A.G.I.C Fac from Fort Worth… real cool down to 🌍 dude. He blessed us with some words of advice.
"The D.O.C.'s DOPE" can't wait for the doc on the D.O.C. Awesome interview wit so many jewels 💎 & history on one of the greatest mc's to EVER do it💯💯
Back in the day I just couldn't beleive how dope No One Can Do it Better was. Listening to this masterpiece over and over and over again. That was the formula right there. Thank you People's Party
Brother really did 1 album. An those that know, consider him 1 of The Greatest to do it. Was stationed in Cali when he dropped. Certified Beast 💪💪
Big up, one of the best Pods on UA-cam... send love from the UK
S A L U T E and gratitude!
The doc hurt my heart when ahead asked him about his follow up to the debut album. He said I didn't get a chance to dream that far.
Jasmine is so formal with questions lol. But keep up the good work
Like a news anchor, lol.
So glad The Doc is getting his flowers and an actual Documentary about one of the Greatest thhat by a misfortune never happened.. I'd put his rookie album against anyone's rookie album.. he covered all bases rappity rap, Street rap, and the one component I've only heard done by one also great rookie debuts, non other than Snoop Doggy Dogg... He did a little dancehall, going full roots on hip hop, IYKYK.... AIN'T arguing with no one, said what I said... Respect due... It's the digggy digggy doc y'all
I tried to think of a lot of things to say about DOC but the only thing coming up in my head is LEGEND. Maaaaaann. He would’ve been the top MC at Death Row.
My all time favorite… no one can do it better…
The D.O.C. had the perfect voice. I remember when I heard about his voice after the accident, it was like when Tyson got knocked down.
Man the meaning behind The Formula is so ill! I never heard that story before.
Man the DOC One of the illest in this game period . His contributions are unmatched and he leads by example. Thank you for everything you have done !!
Nuff respect for the DOC.. I remember pumping your jamz in East New York Brooklyn projects... And it's still getting funky to this very day. Big Up D.O.C 🇵🇷
O.m.g!!! D.o.c!!! Kweli been a fan of you and Mos Def? But man being a m.c! D.O.C was the best!!1990 and i was in the Northeast Bpt,Ct. His voice! Can't even believe he survived that loss. He inspire me!!!
What a legend of the game, one of the Great's. Love what you've stamped Doc :)
Grande Finale was the SHIT!!! Best Ice Cube verse!!
This is truly a legendary interview WOW
For those who don't know; he was in a near fatal car accident which altered his voice. He STILL had a baby with Erykah Badu -- making him more legendary
So we thought until this interview it was the process after the accident that took his voice
The D.O.C. has always been one of favorites, his album is iconic. Glad he has recovered himself and has purpose and perspective of God and his journey. He is important to hip hop. More love, more life to the Diggy Diggy DOC y'all ❤️💛💚
Awesome interview! I am from L.A. I was there (graduating High School) during the whole D.O.C. and NWA coalition, and it was pure M A G.I.C.
At 26:27 "Nuthin but a Thang!?" I mean, its arguably one of the biggest Hiphop songs EVER made! How does a "HIPHOP " host not even get that right!? Maybe Im picky but I thought Clueless immediately. Sooo glad The D.O.C carried this interview. Thank You D.O.C!!
Dr Dre even shout out him on music video and the song 😂
Great interview. DOC the legend gives alot of insight to this one.
The Formula was one of the dopest albums ever
The formula is a song on no one can do it better
Even tho he lost his voice and stopped rapping he still went on with his career
Doc had one of the coldest voices in hip hop history. He could've been one the greatest of all time ..
The D.O.C. was so nice on the mic that I always give him an honorable mention when I speak on my top 10 rap goats list...
Just bought "No One Can Do It Better" on vinyl this year. Got it on cassette
1 of the best interviews all year
Thanks P.P
D O C you the Man my brother always good seeing U Bro…I really hope the acting and all of your endeavors work out for you…you deserve it…the time is Now ✌🏽👀
What a interview! I’m so glad your channel came down my timeline. To see the D.O.C. after all these years brought water to my eyes and happiness in my heart! So glad to see he’s thriving! I loved the professionalism of the interview! #New-subscriber
This the interview I’ve been waiting on The D.O.C is on of the GOATS 💪🏾💪🏾🔥💯
So good to see this new seating format with Jasmin at the table alongside Talib. Thank you Talib, Jasmin and Uproxx! Keep up the good work!
One of the best shows that I’ve seen in a while!!! Thank you!!! I was a huge DOC fan and this showed made me an even bigger fan of DOC and this show!!! Salute!!!
I swear the best lyricst on NWA go Cube, DOC, and Ren but that order changes 😂 I wish the DOC hopped on more tracks with them
Thank you for this amazing dialogue with the Diggy Diggy DOC.
The Grand Finale was one of the hottest tracks on that album. He spoke of Cubes pen skills. My melody is as deadly as a hand grenade 5 seconds before you get played
You can't throw me, I guess you'll blow up
Ever see a sucker scatter, it'll make ya throw up
Then MC Ren comes through and puts some stank on it. And Eazy comes through letting everyone know how smooth he is but at the same time how he’s about that life and will walk right up to you no need for a drive by. Then the DOC further builds you and Amps you up. The Beat! Those horns and drums. It’s one of the best collabs but doesn’t get its props. The Symphony, Scenario, Reservoir Dogs. These songs and others come to mind. But Grand Finale is unmatched
Its a classic. Have you heard Above the Law 'Last Song' ft NWA?
Its kinda similar.
This was a Great interview I always wondered how things turned out for D.O.C. 5 Star interview
So glad he mentioned “The Formula” one of the best hip hop songs ever made of all time… wayyy ahead of it’s time! D. O. C. was my fav artist before Tupac came onto the scene; was sad as hell when he was in that accident cause he was definitely going to TAKE OVER #muchrespectforthisinterview ✊🏾💯
This was an awesome interview with the lengendary DOC
Oh hell yes It’s The Diggy Diggy Doc ya’ll. Def will be listening to this at work tonight. Shhhh don’t tell management. Legend!
Hip-Hop’s Greatest What If…
This Conversation was so 🔥🔥🔥
''D.O.C'' .... THIS MAN HAD THE HARDEST MUSIC OUT IN '89' WITH ABSOLUTELY NO CURSING.... NO ONE CAN DO IT BETTER... SAME AS RAKIM ALLAH IN '87' WITH PAID IN FULL!!!! 314 SHOW ME...
I been praying Snoop spit some mo' D.O.C. bars for YEARS!!! Let's hope this new opportunity with Death Row blesses us with this magic.
This interview made me realise why i'm a West Coast fan and why i'm supporting West Coast so passionate like a soccer team fan. West Coast had the best forward ever back in the day, he got injured and had to quit playing but he didnt leave the pitch. he was always on the bench to lead the squad and to help the coach. DOC was always a blessing for West Coast and he still is.
ICON. If you weren’t around in the late 80’s, early 90’s you might not understand this dudes impact
If Doc never got hurt be would of been top 5 straight up. "No one can do it better" is a fuckn CLASSIC!!
Great interview. Thanks to all involved.
Can't stress how much that breakdown from the opening 4 lines of "The Formula" that I been repeating for the past 30 years, which details his Hip Hop influences, really just fxcked my mind yo
Phenomenal interview! I don't watch/listen to podcasts--this is the first I've ever sat through--because I'd rather do pretty much anything else with my time, but I'm a huge fan of the D.O.C. Great questions and thoughtful responses; I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I really loved this interview! So many jewels!!!❤️❤️❤️
amazing interview!!!!
Great interview it really was blessings to all of you❤️
Great interview, I thoroughly enjoyed this one Talib.
Thank you for giving D.O.C. a platform of your stature to be heard. Besides him having one of the illest Hip Hop albums ever, his whole story is important to life in general.
Mind Blowin’ remix is my introduction to this man and still my favorite hip hop song. The D.O.C. is a living legend. He and Scarface are my top emcees of all time. Texas representing.
Wicked ,D.O.C represent,some great music.This show keeps bringing inspirational important figures in hip hop,i love it. As a side point,I really wanna see Jasmin thrive in her own right (Whilst still doing this podcast).
She seems to have such a good heart , and is obviously so talented but it's so easy to get lost.,hopefully this show will give her (and us all) a good grounding in whats worth pursuing in terms of having a meaningful life.
Amazing interview. Very inspiring and uplifting. Glad to see DOC is in a good place now.
I wish DOC voice miraculously came back.
I been wishing this for years one of the best to do it. #realspill